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Subject: [mw] and dr. plur said...

NOTHIN YOU IDIOT...dr. plur's dead....He's locked in my basement...
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From: MiZtie <x_Misty_x@excite.com>
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Subject: Re: [mw] *Bullshit* in Cinci this weekend


Yeah, most of the people there were just people who happened to be in the
neighborhood and didn=92t even know what the fuck a rave was.  I even saw p=
unk
rawkers there jammin out.  Kinda freaked me out.  Then there was this
drunken asshole there.  I swear to god, I have never wanted to punch a
fucking guy as bad as this one in my entire life.  He was sitting in the
backyard on the steps and apparently he was trying to sell some bunk rolls
because I saw several kids come up to him and ask him if they could lick hi=
s
pills.  He flipped out in a drunken stupor every time saying he didn=92t wa=
nt
their mouths on his pills.  This same guy walked around trying to hit on
girls by telling them he=92d give them a free roll if they=92d be his girl =
for
the night.  Gawd, I truly wanted to fight this asshole.  If anyone knows
where this guy lives, I=92d be willing to pay for his address.  Nothing lik=
e a
good =91ol =93works bomb,=94 in the mailbox of some fucked up poop butt=85

Rave on Sin-Citians,

Miztie

On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 00:48:32 EDT, OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:

>  well when I got to the venue for the party, the fire marshall and the
police were already there. Thats a sure sign on the cops busting the party
for having too many people in the venue. As far as the afterhours, it was
like 5 or 6 houses down from mine so we walked down there several time over
the course of 4 hours, amazingly me and 3 of my friends only recognized one
person upto like 3am. The thing that amazed me was how horrible the majorit=
y
of the newer ravers are. When we walked inside to see who was spinning,
there was only 3 people listening to the dj. Most of the people were outsid=
e
talking about what drugs they could find or being blatantly open with their
drug use/sales. We were all amazed by it, so we spent most of the nite on m=
y
front porch yelling at ravers as they walked down the street. Quote of the
Weekend: At the house party/after hours....Boy: "This is a cool house
party." Girl: "Yeah but I hear the K is cut to shit"
> =20
>  shawne
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Subject: [mw] FURTHER IS ON!!!!!


it's on fer sure...

http://www.dropbass.net

thank god...i thought summer was going to suck...

bom shankar!
--varsha

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From mw-raves-return-4909-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 01 14:06:11 2000
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Subject: [mw] red flyers

could someone please repost the link for the red flyers.  i seem to have
lost it before i could look at it.

thanks.

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From mw-raves-return-4910-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 01 14:22:17 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER IS ON!!!!!


    Can't fucking wait! I'll be doing video shite in the Allied Substructure
tent, if anybody has anything "interesting" they'd like to see up on a
screen, bring it out, I don't think I have enough crap to really cover three
days worth of space... =]

Matt Murphy
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> it's on fer sure...
>
> http://www.dropbass.net
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From mw-raves-return-4911-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 01 14:35:22 2000
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Subject: [mw] Acid Techno Mix

I've got a brand spanking new acid techno mix that leans more towards the
percussive side of things available for your listening pleasure. It's a
39 meg MP3 file so make sure you have 
Winamp and a decent internet connection. 
Comments and/or suggestions are highly appreciated. 

Here is the download link: www.whalemail.com 

Log in with the following username and password: 
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acidtechnoupyourarse 

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    Personally I think the real problem here that the music industry is in,
and is now a problem for the consumers as well, is that the music industry
is not the source of the music and the consumers are not getting their music
straight from the source. If you look at it from an economic theory level,
you see that the artists are the suppliers, the music industry are the
brokers, and the consumers are the end users. The Artists never "sell" their
music to the consumers, they sell it to the Industry, who as a broker are
more concerned about profit margins and marketability than quality. The end
users are very concerned about quality, but they have very little feedback
to the artists themselves, only to the music industry, who don't care.
(they're making plenty of money as-is) Natural market forces tend to
eliminate or automate the broker step, which is what we're seeing with mp3,
the big question that remains is how do the artists get paid under the
mp3-as-the-automated-broker scheme, and how do consumers tell the artists
what they're looking for in music? And how do the consumers find out about
new artists and music? I think people like mp3.com have the right idea and
could go far if they do a good job as the "automated broker", helping
artists get their music to the people, and the people to find out about the
artists, and to increase the amount of money that actually makes it to
successfull artists while decreasing the amount of money that the consumers
have to spend. Right now an enormous amount of money is wasted in the music
industry step of the process. Who was the mp3.com trance (or was it DnB?)
artist who'd made like $70,000 so far? That's probably more than most
successful musicians actually end up with at the end of the day, and proof
that the mp3.com system might work nicely. Now, how does napster fit into
all this? Like somebody said, napster is like your tape deck, you can trade
all kinds of files, but somebody had to buy the album... I don't think
napster has ever prevented me from buying an album, has it for you? It's
just enabled me to listen to alot of music I'd never buy, just wouldn't
listen to otherwise...

Matt Murphy
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Subject: [mw] w0000000000!!!!


HAPPY BIRTHDAY DORIS!!!

now go celebrate appropriately and get wasted! ;)





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From mw-raves-return-4914-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 01 15:41:03 2000
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yay, thank you!!  =)

you got it!  =D


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> HAPPY BIRTHDAY DORIS!!!
> 
> now go celebrate appropriately and get wasted! ;)

    I'll second that emoticon, happy birtday doe-riss... =]

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From mw-raves-return-4916-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 01 15:45:24 2000
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Subject: [mw] Light Fantastik expands...



Attention Promoters:

Light Fantastik is expanding.

We are in the process of purchasing
several new intelligent fixtures to add
to our already extensive arsenal of
lighting and lasers !

We will soon have available:

Over 20 intelligent lighting fixtures !
Over 4 different lasers (up to 2.4 watts) !

Many other fixtures and effects are available
through partnerships with other companies.
You want it - we can get it...

More details soon on the website:
www.angelfire.com/wi/LightFantastik

Contact:
414-339-LITE (5483)
lasers@dynamicgroove.com

See all the new gear at the
Arcanum Festival on August 19th
Just south of St. Louis, MO
www.arcanagroup.net
314-995-9533
(our largest show to date !)

Other upcoming shows:

August 5th/6th - ??? - Omaha, NE
August 12th - Bugged Out - Madison, WI
August 19th - Arcanum - St. Louis
September 1-4th - Furthur - Wisconsin
September 8th - ??? - Madison, WI
September 16th - ??? - Rapid City, SD
September 23rd - Drop Bass event - Madison, WI
November ? - ??? - Kansas City, MO
NYE 2001 ??? Drop Bass ???




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yeah !!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY DORIS !!!!!
hope you enjoy this evenings drunken stupor :-)
woo hooo !!!!

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: jes <jes@pubnix.org>
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>Subject: [mw] w0000000000!!!!
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:13:42 -0400 (EDT)
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>
>HAPPY BIRTHDAY DORIS!!!
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>now go celebrate appropriately and get wasted! ;)
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Subject: [mw] Rides to What?!

If you are a stranded raver along this route, you can get a ride from me 
when I am heading to the What?! Party in Iowa City in August on the 
10th-13th.

Route.
Leave from Sioux Falls, SD
South on I-29 to Omaha.
West on I-80 to Iowa City.

Email me privately if you are interested.

peace

astrlvapor

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Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER IS ON!!!!!

WOO HOO !!!!
/me jumps up and down

OUCH !!!!!

maybe not the best idea with the broken foot and all

speakin of my broken foot...gotta go to the doc tomorrow...hopefully i wont 
be in a cast for furthur (knock on wood)...though even if i am my fuckin ass 
is still goin !!!! woo hoo !!!!

-THE bitch iySyS-




>From: varsha <varsha@mac.com>
>To: Midwest Raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>,        MW-Trance 
><midwest-trance@egroups.com>,        IU-Ravers List 
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>Subject: [mw] FURTHER IS ON!!!!!
>Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:47:53 -0500
>
>
>it's on fer sure...
>
>http://www.dropbass.net
>
>thank god...i thought summer was going to suck...
>
>bom shankar!
>--varsha
>
>: varsha - electro.techno.goa            :
>: varsha@mac.com                         :
>: PTLF : SUBterror : Scarab : Giko Rec.  :
>: http://beam.to/varsha                  :
>:                                        :
>: unveiling soon: Giko Recordings        :
>: soon at: www.gikorecordings.com        :
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YEAH HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

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> HAPPY BIRTHDAY DORIS!!!
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> now go celebrate appropriately and get wasted! ;)
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[Chad Clary <cellophane_808@netzero.net>]
> could someone please repost the link for the red flyers.  i seem to have
> lost it before i could look at it.
> 
> thanks.
> 

http://www.angelfire.com/in/azurerecords/red.html



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On Tue, 1 Aug 2000 OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:

> well when I got to the venue for the party, the fire marshall and the
police were already there.  Thats a sure sign on the cops busting the
party for having too many  people in the venue. As far as the
afterhours, it was like 5 or 6  houses down from mine so we walked down
there several
time over the course  of 4 hours, amazingly me and 3 of my friends only
>recognized one person  upto like 3am. The thing that amazed me was how

Hmm... I saw a ton of the columbus crew there, oddly enough.

> horrible the majority of  the newer ravers are. When we walked inside to
see who was spinning,  there was only 3 people listening to the dj. Most

Most of the times I was inside, the living room was packed, however small
it was.

> of the people were  outside talking about what drugs they could find or
being blatantly open  with their drug use/sales. We were all amazed by
> it,

People were just plain being stupid.  Things were getting quite out of
hand.

> so we spent most of  the nite on my front porch yelling at ravers as
> they walked down the street.  Quote of the Weekend: At the house

Hmm... I don't suppose that was you sitting in the back of a truck
heckling at ppl, was it?

> party/after hours....Boy: "This is a  cool house party." Girl: "Yeah but
> I hear the K is  cut to shit" 

*sigh*

-MikeY!




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Anyone else ever read this? hmm... kinda amusing "rave" reference in a
'political cartoon' (at least thats how its placed in my paper).

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>
>Hmm... I saw a ton of the columbus crew there, oddly enough.
>

Is the 'rave scene' really big among MLS soccer players?  



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    I missed it the first time around as well, I like it, good luck with
your party girls!

Matt Murphy
sound.light.motion
murph@mr.net

> > could someone please repost the link for the red flyers.  i seem to have
> > lost it before i could look at it.
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/in/azurerecords/red.html



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Subject: Re: [mw] *Bullshit* in Cinci this weekend

>
>Hmm... I don't suppose that was you sitting in the back of a truck
>heckling at ppl, was it?
>
nope we heckled people from his porch...though we did heckle some people who 
were in the back of a truck

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I was gonna say... the rednecks in the back of the truck didn't seem too
terribly "ravey".  They were asking ppl how old they were and if their
parents knew they were out... twas kinda humorous. 

-MikeY!

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, - iySyS - wrote:

> >
> >Hmm... I don't suppose that was you sitting in the back of a truck
> >heckling at ppl, was it?
> >
> nope we heckled people from his porch...though we did heckle some people who 
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But of course... didn't you hear they're signing a contract to wear UFO's
on the field?  They wanna look stylish when they're running around like a
bunch of idiots kicking eachother in the nuts. 

/me dons asbestos suit

-MikeY! 

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Tad wrote:

> >Hmm... I saw a ton of the columbus crew there, oddly enough.
> >
> 
> Is the 'rave scene' really big among MLS soccer players?  





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quite a liberating feeling.

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I don't know if I agree with that, I think it has
equal parts in the equation.
That offbeat in 2step garage seems to me a direct
influence of breakbeat in the music, sort of a fusing
of a straight 4 to the floor pound and a break.
And of course the basslines and samples are directly
influence by old dnb.

--- simon kellman <mechaproductions@usa.net> wrote:
> i have to disagree with you, phil - 2 step or
> "garridge" is an slimmed-down,
> cheesed-up version of speed garage.  which came from
> a hybrid of pitched-up
> handbag house and armand van helden's "sugar is
> sweeter" and "professional
> widow" remixes.  you could argue that armand was
> playing with a jungle
> aesthetic when he created those tracks (i beleive
> one of them is titled
> "armand's drum n' bass mix") but i think that 2 step
> has its strongest roots
> in euro-house.  the ragga samples and r&b flavorings
> smack of jump-up d n' b,
> but i think that's just because of where 2 step is
> getting it's heaviest
> rotation - london pirate radio.
> 
> peace,
> 
> catnap
> 
> 
> 
> PHILFART@aol.com wrote:
> My take on jungle.
> 
> It's dead. Jungle is ragga. Now all that is left is
> drum & bass. The closest 
> thing to "jungle" is 2 step garage.
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[Kidentropy@aol.com]
> quite a liberating feeling.
> 

whoa quite a big change for you eh?


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Wow,  UFO's, whistles, polyester shirts... if they just started playing
techno... columbus would have its own series of "stadium raves" how coool.


tad

At 02:06 PM 8/1/00 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:
>
>But of course... didn't you hear they're signing a contract to wear UFO's
>on the field?  They wanna look stylish when they're running around like a
>bunch of idiots kicking eachother in the nuts. 
>
>/me dons asbestos suit
>
>-MikeY! 
>
>On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Tad wrote:
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>> >Hmm... I saw a ton of the columbus crew there, oddly enough.
>> >
>> 
>> Is the 'rave scene' really big among MLS soccer players?  
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Hmm... I don't suppose that was you sitting in the back of a truck
heckling at ppl, was it?


nope...I was on my front porch...the guys in the truck were next door to the party....Oh and for Mistie, the punk rock guys were friends of the people that lived in the house

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Can one event really make or break "summer"? Further may be fun and all..but it's one event. Life is what you make it.

Have fun @ Furdur

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yes but one event can change your life..

*end sobby rave rant*

PHILFART@aol.com writes:

<< Can one event really make or break "summer"? Further may be fun and 
all..but it's one event. Life is what you make it.
  >>


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This time try to keep your clothes on.
We don't need another "incident" with Campus security.

>
>HAPPY BIRTHDAY DORIS!!!
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OMG!!! No hair on Entro??? Damn, shoulda done it before Frequency Overload!
Expecting a pic...
John
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> quite a liberating feeling.
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http://www.users.uswest.net/~pstroot/dance/


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updated 6.7.00

the mailing lists hosted by hyperreal are now managed by ezmlm.  because
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It is, isn't it? I would encourage you to go swimming ASAP, before you get used to it.. It looks
kinda odd until you get some Sun, too.. ;p




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In a message dated 8/1/00 1:23:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< quite a liberating feeling.
 
 entroi >>


Ok, now I must see the miget raver dance again... BALD !!!

=)
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Aww yehhh, the Whiteboy Shuffle! I'm partial to the JB loop and sumo wrestlers..

Happy Birthday, PAYER! And you're coming to Cincinnati to celebrate? *twisted*.

                                  
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||yes but one event can change your life..

 D.E.M.F.

 Anyone wanna spread some rumours as to the line-up? Here's hoping for a glum-looking
knob-twiddler PA of austere experimental clonkiness that sounds like a record skipping on a loud
cheap stereo in your downstairs neighbor's apartment while they run a pair of dirty Converse
high-top sneakers and some loose change through the dryer only to accidentally drop a soggy
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Voigt-Kampf test.  

 So would that be jungle or drum & bass? More pigeons and less holes, please.. ;]







 



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yo that is tha shit!!!! hahaha i keep pissing off my coworkers by gigglin=
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this dancing guy.




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Subject: [mw] Another failed journalist writes...

Here are some interesting excerpts from an article in the Providence Journal, 
written by another one of those "all our kids are on ecstasy, it's the next 
crack cocaine, we're all going to hell" writers....

http://www.projo.com/cgi-bin/story.pl/news/04025631.htm

"...Langberg is a "junglist." In rave parlance, that's a fan of the 
computerized congo drums of trance, a type of techno music..."
(uummm....  I'm a house-head, but I think there's a difference between jungle 
and trance...  )

"...And dehydration comes easily as the chemical hikes body temperatures as 
high as 107 degrees. Users risk hyperthermia.."
(aren't you dead at like 104 degrees?...)

"...Police and drug enforcers say the clubs even profit from it by spiking, 
for example, the price of the water that Ecstasy users must constantly drink 
to avoid dangerous overheating. Some clubs refuse to give out tap water...."
(Are they going to arrest the people that put on Woodstock '99, The U.S. 
Open, and the QuiKieMart down the street for overpriced water, too?..)

"..As the fast -- or "happy hard-core" -- techno reaches 160 beats per 
minute, a raver blows his whistle.."
(I bet TAHT confused a lot of parents...)

"..."One thing about party kids," he says, leaning in to disclose another 
rave secret, "is that a lot of us don't look our age." ...."
(I guess we found the secret to eternal youth: jungle-trance-core-tech...)

"...He is Dave Schifino, known as "D.J. Venom." Because there are no bands in 
techno music, Venom, as his fans call him, is a star..."
(Much love to Venom,...   but how would you classify The Prodigy, Crystal 
Method, Underworld, or The Chemical Brothers?...)


There's more....  you can read the entire article at:
http://www.projo.com/cgi-bin/story.pl/news/04025631.htm




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Subject: [mw] tonight in cincy

Who's going to Meaghan's 21st birthday party tonight in Cincy?

It's free! Everyone is invited!

It's above Jillian's in Covington at Club Atlas.

It's free.

DJ's are:  Nostalgic, React, Adam Jensen, Mowgli, and Brenden.

It's free.

Mad alcohol consumption and 21st birthday antics will go down.

It's free.

email meaghanCBS@aol.com

or hit me up for directions and info.

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Subject: Re: [mw] tonight in cincy

I'd be there but there's this lil thing called Gravitybass that goes on
every tuesday at topcats, and i happen to be playing there tonight.

Tonight's Lineup:

Spahn
Ariel
K-Frey

At Topcat's As always
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subsonik productions wrote:

> Who's going to Meaghan's 21st birthday party tonight in Cincy?
>
> It's free! Everyone is invited!
>
> It's above Jillian's in Covington at Club Atlas.
>
> It's free.
>
> DJ's are:  Nostalgic, React, Adam Jensen, Mowgli, and Brenden.
>
> It's free.
>
> Mad alcohol consumption and 21st birthday antics will go down.
>
> It's free.
>
> email meaghanCBS@aol.com
>
> or hit me up for directions and info.
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER IS ON! Live p.a.

A good live p.a. is manditory for a weekend festival.

I want to see The Kookie Scientist live.

I want to see The Advent live.

I saw Shawn Rudiman live (from Pittsburg) at Untiy 2000 and it was one the 
best live p.a.'s i've ever heard.

I think Aril Brika would be cool.

That is all.

-r




>From: Ted Weinberg <te_one@yahoo.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER IS ON!!!!!
>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:15:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>||yes but one event can change your life..
>
>  D.E.M.F.
>
>  Anyone wanna spread some rumours as to the line-up? Here's hoping for a 
>glum-looking
>knob-twiddler PA of austere experimental clonkiness that sounds like a 
>record skipping on a loud
>cheap stereo in your downstairs neighbor's apartment while they run a pair 
>of dirty Converse
>high-top sneakers and some loose change through the dryer only to 
>accidentally drop a soggy
>cardboard box containing assorted cutlery and an open bag of brown rice 
>down the rickety wooden
>staircase outside your door thereby causing you to convulse like an early 
>model android failing a
>Voigt-Kampf test.
>
>  So would that be jungle or drum & bass? More pigeons and less holes, 
>please.. ;]
>
>
>
>
>
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 How about the return of Aphex Twin? "Donkey Rhubarb" always reminds me of Furthur. I've heard "he
doesn't do that anymore", unfortunately. I'd settle for Porter Ricks.. ;]



  
 

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From mw-raves-return-4951-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 01 23:38:04 2000
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In a message dated 8/1/00 6:00:39 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
subsonik_pro@hotmail.com writes:

<< I want to see The Advent live.
  >>



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I had a recent thought (which is disturbing enough in itself).  But I'm 
waiting for them to come out with a version of Napster to download porno... 
call it CatNap.

"..Urbal beats: just add vinyl.."

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i want to see richard harvery live!

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richard harvey from kurbel?

dj oracle aka daniel britt
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> i want to see richard harvery live!
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Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER IS ON! Live p.a.

At 10:57 PM 8/1/00 GMT, you wrote:
>A good live p.a. is manditory for a weekend festival.
>
>I want to see The Kookie Scientist live.
>
>I want to see The Advent live.
>
>I saw Shawn Rudiman live (from Pittsburg) at Untiy 2000 and it was one the 
>best live p.a.'s i've ever heard.
>
>I think Aril Brika would be cool.

too bad for you.

all you're gonna get is the 4-way mtv music generator tagteam live pa
performed by... "special guests."

the rest of it is crap in comparison anyway.

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    I would absolutely LOVE to see autechre live, but somehow I don't
suspect it's going to happen... =]

    - Matt Murphy -
     murph@mr.net
     ICQ # 4383740

> A good live p.a. is manditory for a weekend festival.
>
> I want to see The Kookie Scientist live.
>
> I want to see The Advent live.
>
> I saw Shawn Rudiman live (from Pittsburg) at Untiy 2000 and it was one the
> best live p.a.'s i've ever heard.
>
> I think Aril Brika would be cool.



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At 09:33 PM 8/1/00 -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:
>
>    I would absolutely LOVE to see autechre live, but somehow I don't
>suspect it's going to happen... =]
>


If Autechre played live at Furthur, I would...  I don't even know, kill
small children to get there.  But I'd like to see D.A.V.E. the Drummer
again.  


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 What I want to know is why these journalist who write about ectsacy
 at parties never site the true source (as if party kids have the knowledge
 or the funds to produce illegal drugs!)...trying to stereotype clubs/raves
 as drug havens...
 
 MDMA was first synthesized by the German Phamacutical Company
 Merck as a diet Pill...During WWII, Nazi's experimented with it trying
 to utilize it as a "truth pill" for interrogations...It didn't work too well,
 and after WWII, the drug was basically abandoned since it served no
 medicinal purposes, that is until it first started appearing in Texas bars
 as a recreational drug...Whether it was pure coincidence that Texas is
 also the home state of the Bush'es and the Bush'es were one of the
 main investors of the Nazi party during WWII is completely beyond me!!
 ...Now combine a state without affirmative action and a large amount of
 unemployed minorites and what do you have? - Mucho more than willing
 drug dealers!!...Now, you make the drug illegal and what do you have? 
 ...A great way to legally incarcerate minorities and after you seized all 
 their profits...A great way to make millions at the loss of the lives of so
 many of the poor...Legal concentration camps!!...Brilliant!!...Now where
 did this concept originally come from?!
 
 Welcome to AmeriKKKa!!! 

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Being from Texas, AND not being an uninformed idiot (the kind you are
yelling about) I find this entire post offensive and humorous on lots of
levels. First of all critizing all of Texas as hood wearing racist is about
as intelligent as saying everyone from wisconsin is a beer swilling serial
killer. On those points I will just ignore you as being what you claim to
dislike, a sensationalist and a misinformed fool. Now on to the ecstacy
thing. It was developed much earlier that its mainstream appearance but as
much as your stevie T ass would like to believe there is some conspiracy
there isnt. It was used among therapist as an empathy drug, in fact that was
its first slang name "empathy" one particular guy that took it in therapy,
yes in Texas (but he was a white middle class guy obviously not poor since
he could afford therapy and prescribed drugs) and decided that it was such
an amazing drug that he should share it with the world. So he figured out
how to make it and did, to share it with his friends. (kind of ironic how he
might he be the first known PLUR pirate in retrospect) and then word got
around and he figured 'hey i can make some money off this' so he made more
and sold it to clubs then a thriving business started from it. But alas it
was a drug and the government did have to take action. He did in fact stop
making it when it became illegal.

Where do you come up with this stuff anyway? go masterbate or something!

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> What I want to know is why these journalist who write about ectsacy
>  at parties never site the true source (as if party kids have the
knowledge
>  or the funds to produce illegal drugs!)...trying to stereotype
clubs/raves
>  as drug havens...
>
>  MDMA was first synthesized by the German Phamacutical Company
>  Merck as a diet Pill...During WWII, Nazi's experimented with it trying
>  to utilize it as a "truth pill" for interrogations...It didn't work too
well,
>  and after WWII, the drug was basically abandoned since it served no
>  medicinal purposes, that is until it first started appearing in Texas
bars
>  as a recreational drug...Whether it was pure coincidence that Texas is
>  also the home state of the Bush'es and the Bush'es were one of the
>  main investors of the Nazi party during WWII is completely beyond me!!
>  ...Now combine a state without affirmative action and a large amount of
>  unemployed minorites and what do you have? - Mucho more than willing
>  drug dealers!!...Now, you make the drug illegal and what do you have?
>  ...A great way to legally incarcerate minorities and after you seized all
>  their profits...A great way to make millions at the loss of the lives of
so
>  many of the poor...Legal concentration camps!!...Brilliant!!...Now where
>  did this concept originally come from?!
>
>  Welcome to AmeriKKKa!!!
>
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Hmm... I'd love to see ruckus crew again... they kicked ass at summer
solstice... 


-MikeY!

On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, subsonik productions wrote:

> A good live p.a. is manditory for a weekend festival.
> 
> I want to see The Kookie Scientist live.
> 
> I want to see The Advent live.
> 
> I saw Shawn Rudiman live (from Pittsburg) at Untiy 2000 and it was one the 
> best live p.a.'s i've ever heard.
> 
> I think Aril Brika would be cool.
> 
> That is all.


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<< Welcome to AmeriKKKa!!! >>

Can't you just feel the PLUR in the air...?

"...Urbal beats: just add vinyl..."

 - Soniq

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Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER IS ON! Live p.a.


Ok...

   I want... no... let me RE-PHRASE that... I need to see HAWTIN live.. 
Truly live.. I want to be deeper inside his thought process..

         Only three weeks left til I see HAWTIN in Glasgow and then at the 
creamfields.....

         Lord have mercy on my soul...

              Also..

  They will be in illinois... HAVE DUBTRIBE LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!1

         Much love and a newer perspective...


          DAN SHARP (0_o)

>From: Ana <honey@milligram.org>
>To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER IS ON! Live p.a.
>Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:57:43 -0500
>
>At 09:33 PM 8/1/00 -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:
> >
> >    I would absolutely LOVE to see autechre live, but somehow I don't
> >suspect it's going to happen... =]
> >
>
>
>If Autechre played live at Furthur, I would...  I don't even know, kill
>small children to get there.  But I'd like to see D.A.V.E. the Drummer
>again.
>
>
>xox
>-a-
>
>
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In a message dated 8/2/00 12:18:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
freakboy@alliedsubstructure.com writes:

<< Being from Texas, AND not being an uninformed idiot (the kind you are
 yelling about) I find this entire post offensive and humorous on lots of
 levels. First of all critizing all of Texas as hood wearing racist >>

ALLIED Substructure?!  Why am I not surprised?!  Why don't you just
change it to NaziSubstructure?!...It would be the same damn thing!!

And yes, I know of Shulgin!!...Who the hell doesn't?!

You're living in DENIAL Freakboy (altho nobody can deny that you ARE
a true FREAK!), perhaps this will help refresh things a bit...

MDMA TIMELINE
by Erowid

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

1912  MDMA first synthesized by Merck Pharmaceuticals.  1     
1914  MDMA patented by Merck Pharmaceuticals.      
1953  The Army Chemical Center studied MDMA toxicity by giving MDMA to guinea 
pigs, rats, mice, monkeys, and dogs.  1     
1965  Alexander Shulgin synthesizes MDMA but does not yet try it.  2     
c. 1967  The first small underground batches of MDMA are synthesized. 
Relatively few individuals have tried it at this point.  2     
c. 1968  Alexander Shulgin begins working with MDMA personally and 
introducing others to it.  2     
1976  The first scholarly article on MDMA is published.  3     
c. 1977  MDMA begins to be available on the street as a recreational drug.  1 
    
1977  MDMA, as an analogue of MDA, was listed as a class A drug in the UK in 
1977 and placed into Schedule I of the Misuse of Drugs Act, 1971. Equivalent 
to the FDA's schedule I rating, MDMA is deemed to have no medicinal use and 
carries the same legal penalties as diacetylmorphine, cocaine and d-LSD. 
Possession may result in up to 7 years imprisonment and an unlimited fine, 
whilst trafficking can result in life imprisonment and an unlimited fine.     
  
1977 - 1981  Only eight individuals seek emergency room treatment after the 
use of MDMA during this four year period according to the Drug Abuse Warning 
Network (DAWN).  1     
1981 - 1985  There are zero people who seek emergency room treatment after 
the use of MDMA during this four year period, according to the Drug Abuse 
Warning Network (DAWN).  1     
May 31, 1985  MDMA banned federally      


------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--

References 

1 . "Ecstasy, the MDMA Story", by Bruce Eisner. 
2 . 'PiHKAL: A Chemical Love Story', by Alexander & Ann Shulgin. 
3 . "Sulfur analogs of psychotomimetic amines", D.E. Nichols & A.T. Shulgin, 
J Pharm Sci 1976 OCT;65(10):1554-6


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Subject: [mw] A?? about hardcore and jungle?????

why I am writing this I do not know but for whom it
may concern I have a question that i would like
everyone to try and answer!
1.)where do you think is the largest hardcore
population in the states!
2.) what would get hardcore Kids to an event that had
a full room of hardcore( like what kind of line up)sho
3.) same questions as the first two but only with
jungle and DnB
4.)should jungle/Dn'B be made into its own scene!

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Subject: Re: [mw] A?? about hardcore and jungle?????



michael truby wrote:

> 1.)where do you think is the largest hardcore
> population in the states!

it depends on what kind of hardcore you want.  my understanding is that
northern cali has a pretty good happy scene, dj entropy is bustin balls
in boston to build one in the northeast... he throws all happy parties
like twice a month.
milwacky has some of that hard stuff.

> 2.) what would get hardcore Kids to an event that had
> a full room of hardcore( like what kind of line up)sho

lots of happy (no im not candy anything)  some uk 'ardcore

brisk
sy
philfreeart
muppetfucker
spree
matt+
dna
slipmatt
force&styles
entropy
val sparkles (?)
cloudskipper

and phil and cloudskipper can tag and play all the obscure dutch stuff
they have =p

is that a good start?

> 3.) same questions as the first two but only with
> jungle and DnB

people in texas like jungle *alot*.  i have yet to see a party w/out at
least one headliner, not to mention all jungle nites...  blech!

> 4.)should jungle/Dn'B be made into its own scene!

no!

-chad

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From mw-raves-return-4966-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 02 05:21:46 2000
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Subject: [mw] this red flyer

any chance i can get one snailmailed to me... i dont think i can make it
=(
the flyer  rocks!!!

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Subject: [mw] More drug chit

I just heard on the news that the nation's drug czar is starting a $5 million 
ad campaign against the use of ecstasy.....  

Of course, we all remember how well the "Just Say No"  and "D.A.R.E." 
campaigns did....     how about a $5 million dollar campaign to educate 
people.  There was a 14-year old girl around here who died recently at a 
house party.  The newspapers and local media blamed it on 'e', but failed to 
make much mention of the fact that she combined it with Valium.  Just "Teen 
dies of Ecstasy Overdose" headlines.  A friend of mine knew the girl, and 
knew people at the party. She only took one pill (plus the valium).  Of 
course, her brother was the one who hooked her up w/ it, and also was the one 
who let her die.  He found her fucked up, and didn't call the ambulance for 
like 2 hours (this is just from what police, other club kids, and my club 
owner have figured out).  Of course, for once, there was no "rave 
connection", saying she had been at a rave or something earlier.  But I bet 
if she knew what she was putting in her body, she wouldn't have combined the 
drugs, and she'd still be alive today...  another happy e-tard.

"...Urbal beats: just add vinyl..."

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>> 1.)where do you think is the largest hardcore
>> population in the states!
>
>it depends on what kind of hardcore you want.  my understanding is that
>northern cali has a pretty good happy scene, dj entropy is bustin balls
>in boston to build one in the northeast... he throws all happy parties
>like twice a month.
>milwacky has some of that hard stuff.

true you'd have to be more specific... but if your just talking hardcore
ingeneral.. probably LA or somewhere in cali.

>
>> 2.) what would get hardcore Kids to an event that had
>> a full room of hardcore( like what kind of line up)sh

I'm not a true hardcore fan... but I'd like to see Rob gee (although he
notoriosuly no-shows).
I'd like to see skinner do a live PA.  (he's from NJ, dunno if you've heard
of him).

>
>> 3.) same questions as the first two but only with
>> jungle and DnB

mmmmmmm dj rap.    (I'm not a jungle fan... -well sometimes)
diesel boy, I really like these two guys from louisville(?) Imperial dub or
sumfn or other when I heard them at 2 1200.


>
>> 4.)should jungle/Dn'B be made into its own scene!
>

>no!

Um too late, it already is... isnt it?  should it be completely separate..
nah. will it someday? maybe who knows I dont think anyone or even group of
people are going to make that 'decision' though.


tad




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From mw-raves-return-4969-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 02 06:00:27 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] B E A U T I F U L P E O P L E -- September 30 -- Indianapolis

In a message dated 7/31/00 12:46:33 PM !!!First Boot!!!, 
baronessk@hotmail.com writes:

> >RED COMMIE BASTARD
>  >From the Soviet Union
>  
>  eer from knoxville tennessee
>  which leads me to ask the question of how one makes the transition from 
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>  tennessee ??

Easy.

They move.

He still asks to be billed as Soviet Union (especially since it
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>>> 2.) what would get hardcore Kids to an event that had
>>> a full room of hardcore( like what kind of line up)sh
>
>I'm not a true hardcore fan... but I'd like to see Rob gee (although he
>notoriosuly no-shows).
>I'd like to see skinner do a live PA.  (he's from NJ, dunno if you've heard
>of him).

Oh yeah I'd also like to hear dj repete and/or Mr. bill.... do either of
them even play out anymore??


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 A menace lurks among you.. An insidious creature known as STEVIE T!! Learn to spot these
tell-tale signs - The mind you spare may be your own..

1. An AOL account bearing a screen name that reminds you of something the weird dwarf lady in
poltergeist wrote on a tennis ball.. (God bless her!)

2. A baiting, incoherent diatribe..

3. A tendency to blame everything from toxic waste to missing socks on shadowy, malevolent
forces.. Underpants Gnomes run amok!

4. The amazingly arrogant conviction that not only the "rave scene" but the very fate of the
universe hinged on the daily AOL instant messages of one tweaked out raver from a small midwestern
city.. (As for the rave scene; it's *all yours*)

5. Any serious reference to "the Bible Code" or the Book of Revelations..

6. Logs of conversations with random people, entities, or burning shrubbery..

7. A seemingly pointless cross-posted reply from another mailing list you're not on..

Banning him is not enough! Blocking his address is not enough! Accept him as a sort of court
jester, get a laugh at his wacky hijinks; and move on..





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Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER IS ON! Live p.a.

i think he means richard harvey of USER fame

that is all.

three lines.


>From: "DJ ORACLE [DANIEL BRITT]" <djoracle@fuse.net>
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>richard harvey from kurbel?
>
>dj oracle aka daniel britt
>940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
>booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
>djoracle@onebox.com
>www.zap.to/djoracle [under const.]
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Subject: Re: [mw] ATTENTION LISTMEMBERS

two words:

block sender.

that is all.

-r


>From: Ted Weinberg <te_one@yahoo.com>
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>Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:50:40 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>  A menace lurks among you.. An insidious creature known as STEVIE T!! 
>Learn to spot these
>tell-tale signs - The mind you spare may be your own..
>
>1. An AOL account bearing a screen name that reminds you of something the 
>weird dwarf lady in
>poltergeist wrote on a tennis ball.. (God bless her!)
>
>2. A baiting, incoherent diatribe..
>
>3. A tendency to blame everything from toxic waste to missing socks on 
>shadowy, malevolent
>forces.. Underpants Gnomes run amok!
>
>4. The amazingly arrogant conviction that not only the "rave scene" but the 
>very fate of the
>universe hinged on the daily AOL instant messages of one tweaked out raver 
>from a small midwestern
>city.. (As for the rave scene; it's *all yours*)
>
>5. Any serious reference to "the Bible Code" or the Book of Revelations..
>
>6. Logs of conversations with random people, entities, or burning 
>shrubbery..
>
>7. A seemingly pointless cross-posted reply from another mailing list 
>you're not on..
>
>Banning him is not enough! Blocking his address is not enough! Accept him 
>as a sort of court
>jester, get a laugh at his wacky hijinks; and move on..
>
>
>
>
>
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A menace lurks among you.. An insidious creature known as 
TED WEINBERG!! Learn to spot these tell-tale signs - The mind 
you spare may be your own..
 
 1. A Yahoo account bearing a screen name that reminds you 
of how an idiot can mispell his own first name!
 
 2. A diatribe induced by a bad lsd trip (the drug of choice 
amongst the CIA and over the hill Dead fans)...
 
 3. A tendency to try to cover up the truths by a certain list
     member with pathetic attempts of bad humor
 
 4. The amazingly arrogant conviction that midwest ravers 
would not be able to spot an obvious poser with such
shoddy attempts of cover up w/ pathetic attempts of bad
humor!
 
 5. An inability to site references from "the Bible Code" or the 
Book of Revelations due to membership in Satanic Cult
 
 6. Logs of conversations with random druggies, alien entities, or 
fellow arsonists
 
 7. A seemingly ineptnss of cross-posting replies to another mailing 
list due to an inability to spell tough words like "ted" 
 
 Banning him is not enough! Blocking his address is not enough! 
Accept him as a sort of court jester, get a laugh at his wacky hijinks; 
and move on..
 
 
 

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WOO HOO!  I want my own Stevie T!  Where can I buy them?

If you happen to have one that walks down stairs, alone or in pairs, even
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From mw-raves-return-4976-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 02 13:00:08 2000
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Wow... I can't believe people are taking that post seriously.  People, it was 
a joke!!  Look at the name....  CatNap..   It's funny... well, maybe I need 
more sleep.  

OK, that is all, until I decide to post again...   reader beware.

"...Urbal beats: just add vinyl..."

 - Soniq


p.s.   Oh, yeah... remind me to come up w/ another signature quote.

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From mw-raves-return-4977-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 02 13:24:57 2000
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i think vern troyer holds my position now... so no chance at that.

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From mw-raves-return-4978-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 02 13:38:31 2000
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<< i think vern troyer holds my position now... so no chance at that. >>


If Vern Troyer had his own Mini-me, would he be Mini-V?..  or just Mr. Hankey?

"..That's the first nickel of my two cents worth..."

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you're posting from an AOL, and you know what happens when a mw-raver reads
a post from someone from AOL - they take the entire post with religious
seriousness.

This also got cross-posted with pb-cle, so thats another sign that the words
are dope.  The closer things get to Ohio, the more real they get.  Did you
know that the creator lives there?

-t

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Subject: [mw] Re: {pb-cle} NRR: New form of Napster

Wow... I can't believe people are taking that post seriously.  People, it
was 
a joke!!  

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I got this off of dcraves.  It's funny because Britney
Spears shows up at Lift in Cincy to check out Claude
Young and Melissa Joan Hart from Sabrina ( Britneys'
girl ) is talking about flying to NYC to go to Twilo
to see Sasha and Digweed after her spot on Leno.  

What's next...Jon Bon Jovi showing up at Further!!!!!

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> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 02:33:15 -0400
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> Subject: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!
> 
> Yo, did you guys see the  Jay Leno Show like last
> Friday when Sabrina  from
> "Sabrina the Teenage Witch" mentioned going to TWILO
> to see Sasha&Digweed?
> That shit was fucking shocking!  Sabrina goes..."Hey
> Jay, we're going to
> Twilo tonight to see Sasha & Digweed....wanna come
> with?"  I don't know,
> that I just thought that'd be pretty weird if Jay
> Leno showed up at Twilo,
> hahahaha.  Not to mention Sabrina being a Trance
> head.  Excuse the random
> post.  just thought it was kinda weird and worth
> mentioning.  
> 
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> as intelligent as saying everyone from wisconsin is a beer swilling serial
> killer. 

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> If you happen to have one that walks down stairs, alone or in pairs, even
> better.

rolls over your neighbors dog?  It's great for a snack and fits on your
back?

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/me briefly entertains the idea of getting business cards made up...

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*       Tony Sebion           *
* beer swillin' serial killer *
-------------------------------

do you need royalties?  or is it my god-given WI right to make that claim?

it might make a mighty fine .sig tho.

-t

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On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 11:23:36PM -0500, FreakBoy wrote:
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I should try to get my new company to put that on my business cards.  I
was going to go for "Dude" or "Director of Pants," but this seems
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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!

Hey, I once saw Alice Cooper at a party in Detroit. Welcome to my nightmare, 
baby.

>
>I got this off of dcraves.  It's funny because Britney
>Spears shows up at Lift in Cincy to check out Claude
>Young and Melissa Joan Hart from Sabrina ( Britneys'
>girl ) is talking about flying to NYC to go to Twilo
>to see Sasha and Digweed after her spot on Leno.
>
>What's next...Jon Bon Jovi showing up at Further!!!!!
>

> >
> > Yo, did you guys see the  Jay Leno Show like last
> > Friday when Sabrina  from
> > "Sabrina the Teenage Witch" mentioned going to TWILO
> > to see Sasha&Digweed?
> > That shit was fucking shocking!  Sabrina goes..."Hey
> > Jay, we're going to
> > Twilo tonight to see Sasha & Digweed....wanna come
> > with?"  I don't know,
> > that I just thought that'd be pretty weird if Jay
> > Leno showed up at Twilo,
> > hahahaha.  Not to mention Sabrina being a Trance
> > head.  Excuse the random
> > post.  just thought it was kinda weird and worth
> > mentioning.
> >


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> baby.

And that was the pinnacle of your existence, I assume?

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Not the NFL linebacker?

two sleek lines


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> i think he means richard harvey of USER fame
> 
> that is all.
> 
> three lines.
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Subject: [mw] ...And another one

I must have gone two weeks with out reading a post by or about Stevie, god I 
knew I was just *too* lucky for a while there. Ah, but once again I can 
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um, excuse me, but did you not skip completely by the state of cheese, beer,
and furniture from body parts from the land that prince built to join the
FIB team?

oh yeah, that's right... we're your backyard... like the big funny-shaped
party hat IL wears on 3 day weekends...

-t (sarcastically reprezentin WI since 1972)

ps - if anyone cares, my birthday is saturday - i know i barely do - i think
i finally hit that age that its just one more thing to remember...

	someone else - "how old are you, tony?"

	me - "i'm 27, wait, no, f*ck, i'm 28"

	someone else - "damn, you stupid or somethin?  can't remember how
old you are?"

	me - "you had to ask?"

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On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:33:04AM -0500, Tony Sebion wrote:
> do you need royalties?  or is it my god-given WI right to make that claim?

I should try to get my new company to put that on my business cards.  I
was going to go for "Dude" or "Director of Pants," but this seems
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On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:48:09AM -0500, Tony Sebion wrote:
> um, excuse me, but did you not skip completely by the state of cheese, beer,
> and furniture from body parts from the land that prince built to join the
> FIB team?

Yes indeed I did.  I don't think Minnesota has ever had a serial killer
of note.  I've only lived in Illinois for three days, so I know
approximately nothing about it.

I think I was kind of a resident of Wisconsin for a day last weekend.  I
stayed just outside Madison with every one of my posessions in a Ryder
truck in the hotel parking lot. That's more formal than have of my
friend's houses.

PS - You're old.  :P

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Subject: RE: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!

good thread... anyone else see someone suprising/interesting @ a party?

dica doesn't count. :p

-t

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Hey, I once saw Alice Cooper at a party in Detroit. Welcome to my nightmare,

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Subject: [mw] I know everything

1.) Milwaukee/the midwest. New York is a close second.
2.)Free beer
3.) a)Florida/the south/California all pretty much tied. Anywhere but 
Detroit.
    b)Whatever tech-step producer has the latest new 12" or album
4.)Last time I checked it was

>
>why I am writing this I do not know but for whom it
>may concern I have a question that i would like
>everyone to try and answer!
>1.)where do you think is the largest hardcore
>population in the states!
>2.) what would get hardcore Kids to an event that had
>a full room of hardcore( like what kind of line up)sho
>3.) same questions as the first two but only with
>jungle and DnB
>4.)should jungle/Dn'B be made into its own scene!
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well, but MN does have that teenage kid that killed his whole family w/ an
ax in 1986 (i think it was 86, could've been 87) - the one that Negativland
issued that press release about that said he had been listening to their
album?  That made my year.

IL had Richard Speck? or do i have that wrong... and, of course, J.W.
Gacy...

woo hoo, I'm glad i learned and remember something from high school.

-t

re: ps - no sh*t

(profanities *'d out for people that get this @ work)

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On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:48:09AM -0500, Tony Sebion wrote:
> um, excuse me, but did you not skip completely by the state of cheese,
beer,
> and furniture from body parts from the land that prince built to join the
> FIB team?

Yes indeed I did.  I don't think Minnesota has ever had a serial killer
of note.  

<snip>

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atomly, as soon as i sober up, i will kill you!

it'll be easy too, because now you live pretty close, allowing me plenty of
time to hit the bar afterword.

    -bill

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> On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 11:23:36PM -0500, FreakBoy wrote:
> > First of all critizing all of Texas as hood wearing racist is about
> > as intelligent as saying everyone from wisconsin is a beer swilling
serial
> > killer.
>
> They're not?
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Subject: Re: [mw] A?? about hardcore and jungle?????

> 1.)where do you think is the largest hardcore
> population in the states!

    Milwaukee, maybe LA for "gabber" type hardcore, definitely CA for
happy...

> 2.) what would get hardcore Kids to an event that had
> a full room of hardcore( like what kind of line up)sho

    I'm going to assume you mean "gabber" hardcore, (not happy or oldschool
UK or the umbrella some of us use for anything with a breakbeat) and so I'm
going to say I really don't know what would fill the room, some good
hardcore acts I've seen were Fishead, Delta 9, Arjay Ketamine (although he's
not really doing that anymore), Panacea-a-a-a-a-a, and dicA, although those
last two aren't strictly hardcore, more like a weird blend of hardcore and
kill-your-mother-jungle, but they get the job done.

> 3.) same questions as the first two but only with
> jungle and DnB

    Not sure where the best Jungle scene is, probably NYC...

    What would fill a room? well it'd be easy in this town, they've done it
several times, but here's a short list: Goldie, AK1200, Dieselboy, Kenny
Ken, DJ Hype, and a whole slew of others, these are just the ones who've
filled rooms in Mpls recently...

> 4.)should jungle/Dn'B be made into its own scene!

    Hell fucking no! Alot of "junglists" think so, mostly because they want
to seperate themselves from all the kandy kids and whatnot of the rave
scene, but while I think Jungle is an essential part of any good party, A
show that was all-jungle would give me a heart attack (can't stop fucking
moving) and would be full of a bunch of wannabe thugs and elitists... (or at
least that's what I've seen at some of the jungle-only events here)

    Personally, Craig (spree) and I and some others are trying to bring an
all-hardcore series to Mpls, but by hardcore we mean anything with a
breakbeat, featuring hardcore, HH, jungle, trancecore, and oldschool UK
hardcore. The first in the series "Pandemonium" went off like mad, but we're
both too financially commited to other things right now to be able to do a
second soon... oh well, it'll happen eventually...

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>well, but MN does have that teenage kid that killed his whole family w/ an
>ax in 1986 (i think it was 86, could've been 87) - the one that Negativland
>issued that press release about that said he had been listening to their
>album?  That made my year.
>
>IL had Richard Speck? or do i have that wrong... and, of course, J.W.
>Gacy...

ohio has this guy!

http://www.newsnet5.com/sh/news/ohio/stories/news-ohio-20000802-135113.html

names in the article have been changed from "steven y. tsang" to "john hawk" 
to protect the innocent.

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Who the hell is Stevie T?

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I think Steve Harvey would rock. He could have his own sound system and broadcast live from Furder

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Subject: RE: [mw] ATTENTION LISTMEMBERS

we're so overdue to have the stevie t FAQ.

anyone?  i wanna help.
-t

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From mw-raves-return-5002-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 02 16:42:30 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: Another failed journalist writes...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

that does it, you are the single biggest joke i have ever known the
punchline too, dont you think you should be on meds or something?
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> In a message dated 8/2/00 12:18:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> freakboy@alliedsubstructure.com writes:
>
> << Being from Texas, AND not being an uninformed idiot (the kind you are
>  yelling about) I find this entire post offensive and humorous on lots of
>  levels. First of all critizing all of Texas as hood wearing racist >>
>
> ALLIED Substructure?!  Why am I not surprised?!  Why don't you just
> change it to NaziSubstructure?!...It would be the same damn thing!!
>
> And yes, I know of Shulgin!!...Who the hell doesn't?!
>
> You're living in DENIAL Freakboy (altho nobody can deny that you ARE
> a true FREAK!), perhaps this will help refresh things a bit...
>
> MDMA TIMELINE
> by Erowid
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> --
>
> 1912  MDMA first synthesized by Merck Pharmaceuticals.  1
> 1914  MDMA patented by Merck Pharmaceuticals.
> 1953  The Army Chemical Center studied MDMA toxicity by giving MDMA to
guinea
> pigs, rats, mice, monkeys, and dogs.  1
> 1965  Alexander Shulgin synthesizes MDMA but does not yet try it.  2
> c. 1967  The first small underground batches of MDMA are synthesized.
> Relatively few individuals have tried it at this point.  2
> c. 1968  Alexander Shulgin begins working with MDMA personally and
> introducing others to it.  2
> 1976  The first scholarly article on MDMA is published.  3
> c. 1977  MDMA begins to be available on the street as a recreational drug.
1
>
> 1977  MDMA, as an analogue of MDA, was listed as a class A drug in the UK
in
> 1977 and placed into Schedule I of the Misuse of Drugs Act, 1971.
Equivalent
> to the FDA's schedule I rating, MDMA is deemed to have no medicinal use
and
> carries the same legal penalties as diacetylmorphine, cocaine and d-LSD.
> Possession may result in up to 7 years imprisonment and an unlimited fine,
> whilst trafficking can result in life imprisonment and an unlimited fine.
>
> 1977 - 1981  Only eight individuals seek emergency room treatment after
the
> use of MDMA during this four year period according to the Drug Abuse
Warning
> Network (DAWN).  1
> 1981 - 1985  There are zero people who seek emergency room treatment after
> the use of MDMA during this four year period, according to the Drug Abuse
> Warning Network (DAWN).  1
> May 31, 1985  MDMA banned federally
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> --
>
> References
>
> 1 . "Ecstasy, the MDMA Story", by Bruce Eisner.
> 2 . 'PiHKAL: A Chemical Love Story', by Alexander & Ann Shulgin.
> 3 . "Sulfur analogs of psychotomimetic amines", D.E. Nichols & A.T.
Shulgin,
> J Pharm Sci 1976 OCT;65(10):1554-6
>
>
> ---
>
> No go back to wackin it in front of your Hitler posters, Freakboy!!
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!




>From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>
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>Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:34:34 -0500
>
>On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:41:59AM -0400, Hugh G. Blaze wrote:
> > Hey, I once saw Alice Cooper at a party in Detroit. Welcome to my 
>nightmare,
> > baby.
>
>And that was the pinnacle of your existence, I assume?
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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!

On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 10:54:02AM -0500, Tony Sebion wrote:
> good thread... anyone else see someone suprising/interesting @ a party?

I saw Mark Lancaster at a rave once.  That's pretty surprising.  :P

> dica doesn't count. :p

Toward this question, or in general?

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Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER IS ON! Live p.a.

On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 07:16:18PM -0500, jethrox wrote:
> i want to see richard harvery live!

You sure you don't want to see Richard Harvey live?  After all, he did
drum for Elvis Costello and the Divinyls in addition to producing Decks,
EFX and a 909. :P

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Subject: Re: [mw] A?? about hardcore and jungle?????

Is it just me, or does everyone on this list hate jungle. How can anyone 
seriously contend that jungle isn't the finest form of music ever created by 
mankind, when it so obviously outclasses every other form of "electronic" 
music.

>people in texas like jungle *alot*.  i have yet to see a party w/out at
>least one headliner, not to mention all jungle nites...  blech!
>
> > 4.)should jungle/Dn'B be made into its own scene!
>
>no!
>
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<<  
 ohio has this guy!
 
 http://www.newsnet5.com/sh/news/ohio/stories/news-ohio-20000802-135113.html
 
>>

And hey..  Charles Manson is from outside Cincinnati, too..   give it up for 
us fucked-up ohioans...    must be the creator-thing...  *wink*

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>dj rap.

Yeah, definitely book her--she's HOT!

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On Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:58:47 EDT, OneBadDJ@aol.com wrote:

>
>"...Forget playing doctor...  let's play president..."
>

ROTFL !

...except, where are the kids gonna buy cigars ?   ;)


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<< Did you  know that the creator lives there? >>

Well, if you needed further proof that God is a DJ.....

"...Forget playing doctor.. let's play president..."
 
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Yup..I really like that Thong Song. 

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Subject: [mw] Re: [Re: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!]

well, i spun with Jarvis Cocker of Pulp when i played at the Notting Hill=
 arts
club in london two years ago.  i still don't get this whole rock star - d=
j
thing, but he did a tight set of old school hiphop and funk.

at the same venue, i saw norman cook.  he wasn't playing, just hanging ou=
t
with his wife (then girlfriend) zoe ball.  he looks like a high school ma=
th
teacher, the barmy old fart!

oh, and recently my friend holly went to a detroit rave and got the privi=
ledge
of seeing kid rock and a bunch of groupies get refused entrance!!!  he wa=
s
like "don't you know who i am?" and they were like, "yeah, and you can't =
come
in!"  hahahaha i would give anything to see eminem with a vicks-soaked ma=
sk on
and a pacifier around his neck....

peace,

catnap



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> good thread... anyone else see someone suprising/interesting @ a party?=


I saw Mark Lancaster at a rave once.  That's pretty surprising.  :P

> dica doesn't count. :p

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>well, i spun with Jarvis Cocker of Pulp when i played at the Notting Hill 
>arts
>club in london two years ago.  i still don't get this whole rock star - dj
>thing, but he did a tight set of old school hiphop and funk.
>
>at the same venue, i saw norman cook.  he wasn't playing, just hanging out
>with his wife (then girlfriend) zoe ball.  he looks like a high school math
>teacher, the barmy old fart!

oops, i think you dropped something.

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Just when i was losing faith in the human race ;) Someone goes and does
something that warms my heart, like denying Kid Rock entrance.....


Rob


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Subject: [mw] Re: [Re: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA &
DIGWEED!]


well, i spun with Jarvis Cocker of Pulp when i played at the Notting Hill
arts
club in london two years ago.  i still don't get this whole rock star - dj
thing, but he did a tight set of old school hiphop and funk.

at the same venue, i saw norman cook.  he wasn't playing, just hanging out
with his wife (then girlfriend) zoe ball.  he looks like a high school math
teacher, the barmy old fart!

oh, and recently my friend holly went to a detroit rave and got the
priviledge
of seeing kid rock and a bunch of groupies get refused entrance!!!  he was
like "don't you know who i am?" and they were like, "yeah, and you can't
come
in!"  hahahaha i would give anything to see eminem with a vicks-soaked mask
on
and a pacifier around his neck....

peace,

catnap



atomly <atomly@atomly.com> wrote:
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> good thread... anyone else see someone suprising/interesting @ a party?

I saw Mark Lancaster at a rave once.  That's pretty surprising.  :P

> dica doesn't count. :p

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Subject: Re: [mw] A?? about hardcore and jungle?????

www.phatphest.com

august 24 - 26 cincinnati.

they have her.


>
>>From: "Kevin M. Ryan" <sociolect@hotmail.com>
>>
>>dj rap.
>>
>>Yeah, definitely book her--she's HOT!
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Subject: [mw] HA!

http://www.latimes.com/news/front/20000801/t000072072.html

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>http://www.latimes.com/news/front/20000801/t000072072.html


awwwwww yeah!!!

I'm a total cross stitch whore :p

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GRRR! It sooo figures that I will be on vacation and cant make it to phat
phest...

>  www.phatphest.com
>  
>  august 24 - 26 cincinnati.
>  
>  they have her.
>  
>  
>  >
>  >>From: "Kevin M. Ryan" <sociolect@hotmail.com>
>  >>
>  >>dj rap.
>  >>
>  >>Yeah, definitely book her--she's HOT!
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Subject: [mw] Re: [[mw] More drug chit]

it's so stupid!  whenever the govt. or any other organization tries to ed=
ucate
the public about drugs or sex, all the conservative nuts start screaming.=
 =

they'd rather see 2 million (mostly minority) men in orange jumpsuits, te=
enage
pregnancy, and the reintroduction of cystal pepsi before the govt. makes =
any
effort to educate america's teens on the realities of mdma.  they're too
squeamish to admit the simple fact that people do drugs because it's fun!=
!!! =

wait, this is the same country that took 200 years to admit sex was fun..=
=2E  =


peace,
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OneBadDJ@aol.com wrote:
I just heard on the news that the nation's drug czar is starting a $5 mil=
lion

ad campaign against the use of ecstasy.....  =


Of course, we all remember how well the "Just Say No"  and "D.A.R.E." =

campaigns did....     how about a $5 million dollar campaign to educate =

people.  There was a 14-year old girl around here who died recently at a =

house party.  The newspapers and local media blamed it on 'e', but failed=
 to =

make much mention of the fact that she combined it with Valium.  Just "Te=
en =

dies of Ecstasy Overdose" headlines.  A friend of mine knew the girl, and=
 =

knew people at the party. She only took one pill (plus the valium).  Of =

course, her brother was the one who hooked her up w/ it, and also was the=
 one

who let her die.  He found her fucked up, and didn't call the ambulance f=
or =

like 2 hours (this is just from what police, other club kids, and my club=
 =

owner have figured out).  Of course, for once, there was no "rave =

connection", saying she had been at a rave or something earlier.  But I b=
et =

if she knew what she was putting in her body, she wouldn't have combined =
the =

drugs, and she'd still be alive today...  another happy e-tard.

"...Urbal beats: just add vinyl..."

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Subject: [mw] *EVENT* 09.09.00 Lexington, KY

LINE UP
Angel Alanis-Techno-Chicago, IL
Ellis Dee-Trance-Los Angeles, CA
Muppetfucker-Happy Hardcore-Austin, TX
Dj Mythic-Atmospheric Jungle-Dallas, TX
Tim Krochalk-Funky Breaks-Indianapolis, IN
Lil' Cory-House-Lexington, KY
Cosmic-Jungle-Lexington, KY

Entice Productions is happy to announce our second
party, Final Eclipse!

Without you, Entice Productions wouldn't be throwing
successful parties, so to thank all of our supporters
and all of you, at Final Eclipse, there will be tons
of free give-aways! For those of you that were at
Underground Frequency, you know what one of the
freebies will be, for those of you who don't, make
sure you don't miss the Happy Hardcore set!!
 
Entice Productions was also contacted by 33 Degrees
Clothing from New York, NY and Revolution
Magazine....they will be sending us a promotional
packet of goodies to give away at Final Eclipse!

And finally, for the first 100 kids through the door,
you will receive a little momento so you can always
remember Final Eclipse, the fun you had, the friends
you met and the reason why we all go to parties.....

Right Of Admission Refusal in full effect! No alcohol,
drugs, markers or drama! You will be searched at the
door and security will be tight! There will be NO
bags/backpacks, painters masks or vapor rub/tiger balm
allowed in the venue. Tickets are $15 at the door,
party starts at 11:00 pm and ends at  7:00 am.
Capacity of this party is limited to 700, so come
early!


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From mw-raves-return-5021-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 02 21:48:42 2000
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Subject: [mw] Napster libeled in the Los Angeles times

You may find this funny, but I find it disturbing.
>From the article I read in the online edition, August 1st, 2000:

"Taking a cue from music-bootlegging teenagers, sewing enthusiasts have 
discovered that they too can steal copyrighted material over the Internet, 
thanks to anonymous file-sharing techniques."

Note the choice of words. This is wholesale editorializing. This nation's 
courts have not yet decided that file sharing is "music-bootlegging" or that 
people who share files "steal".

This is wholesale editorializing and perhaps even libelous. Possibly grounds 
for a lawsuit, since napster is named earlier in the article.



>http://www.latimes.com/news/front/20000801/t000072072.html
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Subject: [mw] the yes fest


I haven't heard too much talk about this thing on the list.

Is anybody going?

They have a decent line-up, the door price is fair, and it's a 
outdoor/weekend long festival.

The weather is going to be all clear this weekend so you won't have to deal 
with any rain!

the line-up:

Bad Boy Bill
RICHARD "HUMPTY" VISSION
Nigel Richards
Ming & FS
skylab2000
Alexi Delano
David Hollands & Linus (Subterfuge Tour)
Larry Tee  (Grammy Award nominee)
Bizz
D-knox
3D
Aaron Ochoa
Trevor Lamont
Slugo
Slater Hogan
THE TEKNICIANS(aka: Luis Aguilera & Josh Grant)
DJ Gruve
Chocolate the Freaky Afronaut
Define
Max
Varsha
Tim Krochalk

plus many more performers, suprise performers, and Independent sound 
systems.

including:

T H E   S U B S O N I K    S O U N D    S Y S T E M ! ! !

Featuring:

React, Adam Jesen, Shiva, John Gannon, Adam Jay, Headstrong, Spahn, 
Jeremiah, and Ariel.

We've rented a mini circus tent, sound, lights, and a big ass generator.

We will be wrecking shop all weekend.

Some come out and say hi.

for info call:
317.579.3100

or visit www.yesfest.com

or call our line: 513.682.3282



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Subject: [mw] Re: [Re: [mw] Re: [Re: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!]]

names, duh.  i thought this thread was about unlikely famous people we've=
 ever
seen at party.  like i'm going to get mad props for meeting any of these
people on a rave list - c'mon!        =


catnap

"c e" <chrisege@hotmail.com> wrote:

>well, i spun with Jarvis Cocker of Pulp when i played at the Notting Hil=
l =

>arts
>club in london two years ago.  i still don't get this whole rock star - =
dj
>thing, but he did a tight set of old school hiphop and funk.
>
>at the same venue, i saw norman cook.  he wasn't playing, just hanging o=
ut
>with his wife (then girlfriend) zoe ball.  he looks like a high school m=
ath
>teacher, the barmy old fart!

oops, i think you dropped something.

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Subject: [mw] Translucent 8-12-00 Columbus

Malfuntion Production

presents...

T r a n s l u c e n t

with performances by:

F A N O N   F L O W E R S
Detroit - Mechanisms Industries/Konsequent/Cetron/Black Nation/
          Planet E/Drop Bass/Phoq-U/Deep Fried/E-Com/Astralwerks

T E R R A
Toronto - FBI/Empire
Torontos drum & bass diva in full force

K I M Y O N
NYC - Foundation/The Muvment/Tru Skul

J A M E S  J O H N S O N  bka  D I V I N E [live]
Dayton - Malfunction

B E N   K E N O B I
Dayton - Malfuntion

R E A C T
Subsonik - Cincinnati

A L I   O B V I O U S
Dayton - Bounce Theory

D E R E K   J O H N S O N
Columbus - On the Floor/All City Beats

C H A R E L S   B R O N S O N
Columbus - Malfunction

S R V O
Columbus - Malfunction

D X 3
Strikeforce - Columbus

and

T H E   M Y S T I F Y I N G   M A G I C I A N S
Chris Smith and Eric McDonald

Admission at the door is only $17 w/ 2 canned food donations

Pre-sales are $15 and available at:

Columbus-
All City Beats - 614.291.0210
Hailey's Planet - 614.294.6700

Dayton-
Flamingos
2 locations
937.431.0635
937.291.9214

MAIN INFO LINE : 614.470.2752

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614.470.3839
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Subject: [mw] I, ROBOT

I, ROBOT
Saturday, August 19, 2000
Indianapolis, Indiana

Scarab Records is proud to present I, ROBOT

TOBOR
The Telesonic Robot, by Scarab
Command TOBOR, The Telesonic Robot, with your space control module.  Watch 
him move forward, backward and beyond with just the click of a button.  Press 
the glowing Scarab on his chest, and watch him really go into action, as his 
battle sounds bleep and his red flashing lights twirl around the room.  TOBOR 
can also learn to speak.  Record words and phrases into TOBOR's telephonic 
data recorder and astound your friends!  TOBOR, the walking, talking 
battle-bot by Scarab.

TOBOR, The Telesonic Robot, another great product by Scarab . . . ages 5 and 
up,
batteries not included.


Featuring . . . 

KEVIN SAUNDERSON
KMS/Planet E/Pias - Detroit
Join us for an intimate evening with Kevin Saunderson.  One of Detroit's Holy 
Trinity, along with Juan Atkins and Derrick May, Kevin helped shape the sound 
and future of techno.  We are proud to bring you this legend of electronic 
music for his first appearance ever in Indianapolis.

THE STICKMEN
Stickman Records/Aquarius - Toronto

GEOFFE
V2 Records/Frenzy Records - New York City

REVOLUTION 9 (Live)
Scarab Records - Indianapolis

JONATHAN KEITH
Scarab Records  - Indianapolis

stage two . . . 

DJ NOSTALGIC
Floorgasm/Boogie Squad - Dayton

DJ REACT
Subsonik - Cincinnati

PHASE
Scarab Records - Indianapolis

RONALD BAILEY
Scarab Records - Chicago

TOP SPEED VS. SONIC
(The Ultimate Hip-Hop Battle!) - Crush

K-STEP VS. ISAMU
(The Ultimate D&B Face-off!) - House of Babylon


I, ROBOT will be a two room event held in a large legal venue near downtown 
Indianapolis!

Lots of beeps, bleeps and flashes by Log!
Ultra-plasmic video screens by Static Transfusion!
Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot Warriors will act out the battle of the century
on stage - an intermission you don't want to miss!

Scarab Records will be giving away toy robots to the first one billion people 
through the door.  Get there early to receive your FREE toys!

TICKETS:
Tickets are $25 at the door
$5 OFF WITH "ROBOT COUPON"
Robot Coupon can be found on all I, ROBOT flyers
Limit one coupon per person.  Valid the night of I, ROBOT only - 08-19-00

For more information contact Scarab Records @

Scarab Records
317.767.5103
317.290.7477
scarabrecords@aol.com
www.scarabrecords.com

If you would like to be on our mailing list please e-mail us at the address 
above or call our information line.

Thank You

The Scarab Boys

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Subject: Re: [mw] Napster libeled in the Los Angeles times

<<From the article I read in the online edition, August 1st, 2000:
>
>"Taking a cue from music-bootlegging teenagers, sewing enthusiasts have 
>discovered that they too can steal copyrighted material over the Internet, 
>thanks to anonymous file-sharing techniques."
>
>Note the choice of words. This is wholesale editorializing. This nation's 
>courts have not yet decided that file sharing is >"music-bootlegging" or 
>that people who share files "steal".>>

[Knocks head against table.]

The choice of words in that excerpt is fine.
There's nothing illegal about sharing files.
However, exchanging or otherwise distributing
copyrighted material without proper authorization *is*
illegal.  Nobody disputes that.  When you download an
MP3 that contains copyrighted music without permission
of the copyrighter you are violating the law.  Napster
says so, the prosecution says so, everybody agrees on
that.  Of course it's a crime like jaywalking--you can
rest assured nobody will actually enforce it because it
would be absurd to monitor everyone that closely.  But
it is "stealing."

The Napster trials (and similar subsequent actions)
will merely determine whether the Napster corporation
is liable for the copyright infringement.  Everybody
agrees that copyrights are being infringed upon; it's
just a question of who's responsible.  The users are
DEFINITELY committing a crime by downloading
copyrighted material without authorization.  The
courts will decide whether Napster Inc. is guilty
of facilitating the crimes committed by these users.
Doesn't anyone grasp the basic gist of these trials?


>>http://www.latimes.com/news/front/20000801/t000072072.html

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Subject: [mw] Translucent 8-12-00 Columbus

Malfuntion Production

presents...

T r a n s l u c e n t

with performances by:

F A N O N   F L O W E R S
Detroit - Mechanisms Industries/Konsequent/Cetron/Black Nation/
          Planet E/Drop Bass/Phoq-U/Deep Fried/E-Com/Astralwerks

T E R R A
Toronto - FBI/Empire
Torontos drum & bass diva in full force

K I M Y O N
NYC - Foundation/The Muvment/Tru Skul

J A M E S  J O H N S O N  bka  D I V I N E [live]
Dayton - Malfunction

B E N   K E N O B I
Dayton - Malfuntion

R E A C T
Subsonik - Cincinnati

A L I   O B V I O U S
Dayton - Bounce Theory

D E R E K   J O H N S O N
Columbus - On the Floor/All City Beats

C H A R E L S   B R O N S O N
Columbus - Malfunction

S R V O
Columbus - Malfunction

D X 3
Strikeforce - Columbus

and

T H E   M Y S T I F Y I N G   M A G I C I A N S
Chris Smith and Eric McDonald

Admission at the door is only $17 w/ 2 canned food donations

Pre-sales are $15 and available at:

Columbus-
All City Beats - 614.291.0210
Hailey's Planet - 614.294.6700

Dayton-
Flamingos
2 locations
937.431.0635
937.291.9214

MAIN INFO LINE : 614.470.2752

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Subject: [mw] chicago thursday club night

there's a lot of horrible shit, but some really good shit, too.
and a lot of you will probably even be interested in the horrible shit,
so here it is... ;)


----- Forwarded message from Crobar the Nightclub <crobar1543@earthlink.net> -----

Subject: PURE PRESENTS COMMUNITY THURSDAYS IN CHICAGO!!!

PURE presents
people, music, culture...
COMMUNITY
Thursday nights starting August 2000

Aug. 03
COMMUNITY Launch Party
Donald Glaude
John Curley
Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)

Aug. 10
Sonic Boom Party
Justin Long
Nosmo
John Curley
Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)

Aug. 17
Perfecto on Tour
Paul Oakenfold
D:Fuse
Walsh and Sommer
Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)

Aug. 24
Velocity Magazine Tour
Derrick May
Angel Alanis
Lottie (U.K.)
Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)

Aug. 31
Labor Day Weekend
Dave Ralph
Walsh and Sommer
Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)

Sep. 07
Paul van Dyk
Walsh and Sommer
Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)

PURE presents
people, music, culture...
COMMUNITY
Thursday Nights
10PM - 4AM
21 +
More info at 312.409.PURE / www.purefuture.com
email PURE - info@purefuture.com
Most events advance tix available thru Ticketmaster -
312.559.1212 www.ticketmaster.com
Crobar the nightclub 1543 N. Kingsbury, Chicago,
312.413.7000 www.crobarnightclub.com

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Subject: Re: [mw] the yes fest

Ya know, I was gonna go, 'cept I have to work this weekend...  doh!   I 
really need to get demos out.  I actually wanted to spin that event....   

It's looks like one helluva time.  From what I heard, they're going for the 
world's longest slip n' slide... and I think someone's doing a rave-u-mentary 
on it.  Maybe we can get a real movie about the scene, instead of "Go!".   
Good luck on a good show to the subsonik crew..!

"...Back to the drawing board....  I need more crayons..."

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Subject: [mw] friday chicago: bt

as much as this pains me...

----- Forwarded message from Crobar the Nightclub <info@bigtimechicago.com> -----

Subject: TRANCE LUMINARY COMES TO CHICAGO!!!

Bang: the Quality of Sound
Friday August 4th, 2000

BT performing LIVE!
BT first came to prominence for creating trance anthems "Blue Skies", 
"Flaming June", and "Remember".  In the time since he has proved 
himself competent in any capacity by producing a soundtrack for the 
film "Go" and doing remixes for stars such as Tori Amos.  His newest 
effort Movement in Still Life is further testament to the fact that 
BT is a man who defies limitation with an album that is a perfect 
hybrid of musical genres. This rare live performance will give you an 
insight to the music of a new millennium.
www.btmusic.com

Resident DJ Curt Caris will be playing in the main room before and 
after BT performs.
Resident DJ Hiroki in the mezz all night long!

To be put on the guestlist and receive free admission before 11:00 
pm, please reply with your name and number of guests before Friday at 
12pm.  Thanks and have a good time!

Crobar the Nightclub
1543 N. Kingsbury, Chicago
doors open at 10pm.
21+

COMING SATURDAY AUGUST 5, 2000
CIRCUIT MOM IN CONCERT
THE CIRCUIT PARTY
GOTO <http://www.circuitmom.com/>www.circuitmom.com for  more info

www.crobarnightclub.com
www.crobarmiami.com
www.restaurantwatusi.com
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In a message dated 8/2/00 5:19:05 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
subsonik_pro@hotmail.com writes:

<< Is anybody going? >>


Lauryn and I will be there flyering for RED and being brats as usual.

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Todd Moody wrote:
<<That's because this is about something else entirely.  It's about
>corporations waking up to the fact that the technology exists to >share 
>copyrighted media, and ultimately, there's nothing they can do >about it.  
>It's common knowledge that shutting down Napster would be >a rather 
>meaningless act in terms of stopping music pirating.  The
>preposterous solution that some propose?  To ban all peer-to-peer 
> >protocols (hint: that includes FTP).>>

You're right, and I think this is the most interesting
aspect of this whole issue.  In my previous posts I
was just looking at the Napster trial in a vacuum
without addressing the bigger picture:  Namely, if
Napster was enjoined after the September trial, how
would that be used as a precedent to deal with other
kinds of online clients and protocols?  Whether the
RIAA wins or loses the trial, it'll probably end up
hurting the RIAA because Napster promotes the RIAA's
artists.  Remember, in my previous posts when I
defended the plaintiff I wasn't looking at the
broader picture, I was just asking: Don't the
prosecutors have a right to demand their copyrights
be respected?  And I think they do.

If Napster loses, that precedent
will probably be used to shut down any
similar centralized file-sharing systems...Gnutella,
Freenet...--I don't know what's out there because I
never use them.  Even if there's no particular
group of human beings behind those sites, I'm sure
the FCC can find a way to take them offline if it's
ordered by the courts.  It'll just be a huge pain
in the legal ass to implicate those sites without
having any specific party to sue.

And no, the government would never be able to stop
all illegal file-sharing.  No kind of law enforcement
is 100% effective.  Or even 50% effective, in many
cases.  But if Napster loses you can probably count
on any free MP3 server with millions of users
being shut down.  There'll always be an underground,
just like there's plenty of places to buy illegal
CDRs on the net, but it'll just be a little more
inconvenient because there won't be any "big name"
sites to visit.

I disagree with you when you say shutting down
Napster would be meaningless in the larger scheme
of eliminating piracy.  Shutting down Napster
would set a good precedent to shut down any large
website or FTP location or anything once it's
popular enough to grab the attention of the
recording industry.  And if that happens it'll
probably eliminate a huge chunk of piracy just
because people won't have any easy answers like
Napster to return to every day.  They'll have to
put a lot more effort into finding blackmarket
sites, and those sites will come and go.

I know I probably sound like a cock in most
of these emails, but I just enjoy a good
debate.  And I don't think people are
generally giving the RIAA enough credit for
their position, which really makes good sense
to me.  So I get excited about it all.  On a
personal note, after college I'm considering
applying to law school to study cyberlaw in
one of the budding technology law programs in
California.  There's a huge demand for
internet-savvy lawyers in Silicon Valley.
Legal firms there typically have to turn down
40-90% of their business because they don't
have enough staff with the proper
specialization.  So I'm trying to pick up a
major in computer science, but it's really
been difficult for me.  Much harder than
philosophy (big surprise there :).

--------------

Matt Murphy wrote:
<<Like somebody said, napster is like your tape deck, you can trade
all kinds of files, but somebody had to buy the album...>>

Something like that came up at the trial.  The
Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 allows people
to make copies of copyrighted material for
noncommercial use.  Napster used that in the
trial:  They claimed a computer is just a kind
of home recording device, so using Napster isn't
essentially any different from dubbing a CD to
a cassette so you can listen to it in your car.
That argument didn't fly.  The reason Judge
Patel gave was that computers aren't home
recording devices--of course people (me included)
think that's pretty stupid, because computers
are obviously being used as home recording
devices.  In fact, I think it was that part of
the judgment that was grounds for an appeal.
HOWEVER, the Home Recording Act requires that
companies who manufacture blank media, such as
CDRs, pay generalized royalties to the recording
industry.  Computers aren't listed in the Act
so the music industry is not getting any
royalties from hard disks.  In other words, the
Audio Home Recording Act doesn't apply to MP3s.
I'm probably giving a really confusing rendition
of this argument, you can find a more concise
appraisal at

http://www.minidisc.org/ahra.html


Kevin

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Subject: Re: [mw] Napster definately libeled, and I rip this moron kid a new asshole


>[Knocks head against table.]
>
>The choice of words in that excerpt is fine.

No, it's not.
Dude you seriously don't know what the fuck you're tlaking about regarding 
libel or copyright law and if you're not scared to be called out, keep 
reading.
Several years studying libel law (yes, actual cases, and I got good grades, 
too, mr. smartypants) and a career in journalism lead me to believe I know 
libel when i see it.

>There's nothing illegal about sharing files.
>However, exchanging or otherwise distributing
>copyrighted material without proper authorization *is*
>illegal.

Hey, you're totally wrong here, too. But if you got your head out of your 
ass and researched before you opened your wanker mouth, you might know that. 
Read on:

>From Stanford Univeristy's legal brief on the Audio home recording act of 
1992:

"The issue was finally settled by Congress when the Audio Home Recording Act 
(AHRA) (P.L. 102-
563, 106 Stat. 4237, codified at 17 U.S.C. 1001 - 1010) was passed in
October 1992.  This Act added ten sections to Title 17, one of which
provided an alternative to the fair use analysis for musical recordings.

The new section states:
   No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement
   of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or
   distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital
   audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an
   analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a
   consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical
   recordings or analog musical recordings.
                                 17 U.S.C. 1008.
As the legislative history to this statute noted, "In short, the reported
legislation would clearly establish that consumers cannot be sued for
making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use."
H.R. Rep. 102-780(I).


>Nobody disputes that.  When you download an
>MP3 that contains copyrighted music without permission
>of the copyrighter you are violating the law.

See above, dumbass.


>Napster
>says so, the prosecution says so, everybody agrees on
>that.  Of course it's a crime like jaywalking--you can
>rest assured nobody will actually enforce it because it
>would be absurd to monitor everyone that closely.  But
>it is "stealing."
>
>The Napster trials (and similar subsequent actions)
>will merely determine whether the Napster corporation
>is liable for the copyright infringement.  Everybody
>agrees that copyrights are being infringed upon;

Once again see above you shit-eating moron.

>it's
>just a question of who's responsible.  The users are
>DEFINITELY committing a crime by downloading
>copyrighted material without authorization.  The
>courts will decide whether Napster Inc. is guilty
>of facilitating the crimes committed by these users.
>Doesn't anyone grasp the basic gist of these trials?

Okay mr. smarty pants. If you're gonna school me, next time don't sleep 
through class.
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Subject: [mw] Stay in school Kevin

http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/mirrors/faq/copyright/faq/part3

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Subject: [mw] To further clarify the issue




><<From the article I read in the online edition, August 1st, 2000:
>>
>>"Taking a cue from music-bootlegging teenagers, sewing enthusiasts have
>>discovered that they too can steal copyrighted material over the Internet,
>>thanks to anonymous file-sharing techniques."
>>
>>Note the choice of words. This is wholesale editorializing. This nation's
>>courts have not yet decided that file sharing is >"music-bootlegging" or
>>that people who share files "steal".>>
>
>[Knocks head against table.]

I think you knocker your head a little too hard.

>The choice of words in that excerpt is fine.
>There's nothing illegal about sharing files.
>However, exchanging or otherwise distributing
>copyrighted material without proper authorization *is*
>illegal.

As you may have learned from my earlier message, I hope, it is not. It 
becomes illegal when you use that copy for commercial purposes. What 
definately is illegal, according to the Supreme Court is accusing someone of 
commiting a crime in a public forum (newspaper, TV) before they have been 
convicted. Hell, you're not even supposed to use a person's name before they 
are arraigned. The same holds for corporations, which are, in the eyes of 
the law, individuals. the reporter who wrote that story in the LA Times 
accused Napster users of stealing, which has not been proven in court, and 
also accused napster of facilitating the crime. Even if you're right, and a 
court sides with the RIAA, later, it will still be libelous because it 
predates the legal decision.

>Nobody disputes that.  When you download an
>MP3 that contains copyrighted music without permission
>of the copyrighter you are violating the law.

See above.

>Napster
>says so, the prosecution says so, everybody agrees on
>that.  Of course it's a crime like jaywalking--you can
>rest assured nobody will actually enforce it because it
>would be absurd to monitor everyone that closely.  But
>it is "stealing."

See above.

>
>The Napster trials (and similar subsequent actions)
>will merely determine whether the Napster corporation
>is liable for the copyright infringement.  Everybody
>agrees that copyrights are being infringed upon; it's
>just a question of who's responsible.  The users are
>DEFINITELY committing a crime by downloading
>copyrighted material without authorization.  The
>courts will decide whether Napster Inc. is guilty
>of facilitating the crimes committed by these users.
>Doesn't anyone grasp the basic gist of these trials?

Apparently not you either.
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  Date: 8/2/00 3:44:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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In a message dated 8/2/00 9:28:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steviet069 writes:

<< A menace lurks among you.. An insidious creature known as 
 TED WEINBERG!! Learn to spot these tell-tale signs - The mind 
 you spare may be your own..
  
  1. A Yahoo account bearing a screen name that reminds you 
 of how an idiot can mispell his own first name!
  
  2. A diatribe induced by a bad lsd trip (the drug of choice 
 amongst the CIA and over the hill Dead fans)...
  
  3. A tendency to try to cover up the truths by a certain list
      member with pathetic attempts of bad humor
  
  4. The amazingly arrogant conviction that midwest ravers 
 would not be able to spot an obvious poser with such
 shoddy attempts of cover up w/ pathetic attempts of bad
 humor!
  
  5. An inability to site references from "the Bible Code" or the 
 Book of Revelations due to membership in Satanic Cult
  
  6. Logs of conversations with random druggies, alien entities, or 
 fellow arsonists
  
  7. A seemingly ineptnss of cross-posting replies to another mailing 
 list due to an inability to spell tough words like "ted" 
  
  Banning him is not enough! Blocking his address is not enough! 
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chrisege writes:

<<Chris Ege, 43, of Celina, Ohio, has been charged with abuse of a corpse. 
Authorities say that it happened over the weekend at Ketcham-Ripley Funeral 
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In a message dated 8/2/2000 6:58:38 PM Central Daylight Time, matt@immute.net 
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hell yea keep the trance at clubs  the places i dont go

as much as this pains me...

<< 
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Subject: [mw] Detroit August 16th?


    Hey kids, I'm gonna be in Detroit August 16th just for that day and
night, any ideas on stuff going on? Anyone wanna get together? I'll be
hanging with two rather non-ravey friends (well, one post-rave, but still
not really into it anymore) but I'd love to get them out dancing and I'm
sure they wouldn't mind meeting some folks, maybe we can go bowling??? =]
Lemme know what's going on... thanks,

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||In a message dated 8/2/00 9:28:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Steviet069 writes:

No, he/it didn't. That was "Theetruth001@aol.com", remember? Are you finally losing track of your
multiple personalities? And all to repost some crap I evidentally filtered the first time around
and *still* haven't bothered to read. Yet another address blocked..

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matt hellige wrote:

> as much as this pains me...
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Crobar the Nightclub <info@bigtimechicago.com> -----
>
> Subject: TRANCE LUMINARY COMES TO CHICAGO!!!
>
> Bang: the Quality of Sound
> Friday August 4th, 2000
>
> BT performing LIVE!
> BT first came to prominence for creating trance anthems "Blue Skies",
> "Flaming June", and "Remember".  In the time since he has proved
> himself competent in any capacity by producing a soundtrack for the
> film "Go" and doing remixes for stars such as Tori Amos.  His newest
> effort Movement in Still Life is further testament to the fact that
> BT is a man who defies limitation with an album that is a perfect
> hybrid of musical genres. This rare live performance will give you an
> insight to the music of a new millennium.
> www.btmusic.com

Goddamnit.  Why such short notice?  :)

If I would have known about this a few weeks ago I probably could have
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Hell yeah, I'm going! For $30 I can learn breakdancing, mixing, tai chi, kundalini, hatha,
shiatsu, reiki, fly fishing, macrame  - and all in the space of a weekend! That's a bargain fo'
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||Goddamnit.  Why such short notice?  :)
||
||If I would have known about this a few weeks ago I probably could have
||gotten together about 10 people to go.

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Don't get too worried, I have every intention
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it'd be a lot better if we could figure out how it was different from drum
and bass.

(ducks),
-t

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Is it just me, or does everyone on this list hate jungle. How can anyone 
seriously contend that jungle isn't the finest form of music ever created by

mankind, when it so obviously outclasses every other form of "electronic" 
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i mean, he just doesn't use a number system.  he doesn't functionally count.
I can't figure out if he doesn't know how or just chooses not to.  its like
the mystery of how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie
pop.

the world may never know.

-t

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> dica doesn't count. :p

Toward this question, or in general?

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Subject: Re: [mw] chicago thursday club night

I personally enjoy some horrible shit every once in a while, and so must 
you, Matt. Why else would we still be on this list?

>
>there's a lot of horrible shit, but some really good shit, too.
>and a lot of you will probably even be interested in the horrible shit,
>so here it is... ;)
>
>
>----- Forwarded message from Crobar the Nightclub 
><crobar1543@earthlink.net> -----
>
>Subject: PURE PRESENTS COMMUNITY THURSDAYS IN CHICAGO!!!
>
>PURE presents
>people, music, culture...
>COMMUNITY
>Thursday nights starting August 2000
>
>Aug. 03
>COMMUNITY Launch Party
>Donald Glaude
>John Curley
>Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)
>
>Aug. 10
>Sonic Boom Party
>Justin Long
>Nosmo
>John Curley
>Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)
>
>Aug. 17
>Perfecto on Tour
>Paul Oakenfold
>D:Fuse
>Walsh and Sommer
>Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)
>
>Aug. 24
>Velocity Magazine Tour
>Derrick May
>Angel Alanis
>Lottie (U.K.)
>Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)
>
>Aug. 31
>Labor Day Weekend
>Dave Ralph
>Walsh and Sommer
>Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)
>
>Sep. 07
>Paul van Dyk
>Walsh and Sommer
>Dayhota (in the Tiger Lounge)
>
>PURE presents
>people, music, culture...
>COMMUNITY
>Thursday Nights
>10PM - 4AM
>21 +
>More info at 312.409.PURE / www.purefuture.com
>email PURE - info@purefuture.com
>Most events advance tix available thru Ticketmaster -
>312.559.1212 www.ticketmaster.com
>Crobar the nightclub 1543 N. Kingsbury, Chicago,
>312.413.7000 www.crobarnightclub.com
>
>----- End forwarded message -----
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!

In a message dated 8/2/00 9:46:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
hughblaze@hotmail.com writes:

<< >From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>
 >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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 >Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:34:34 -0500
 >
 >On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 11:41:59AM -0400, Hugh G. Blaze wrote:
 > > Hey, I once saw Alice Cooper at a party in Detroit. Welcome to my 
 >nightmare,
 > > baby.
 >
 >And that was the pinnacle of your existence, I assume?
 >
 >--
 >:: atomly ::
 
 No the pinnacle came about two hours later, when I was laying on the floor 
 of the wherehouse, half naked, sweating like a $5 whore and convulsing 
 sporadically.
 Who said you can't have fun on Robitussin and e? >>

Uh oh Robo-twitch.  I recomend that you don't drink Robo unless you are well 
rested otherwise you too may twitch.

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Subject: [mw] august 18th-20th - TRIBAL ROOTS - 3 day campout

Location:  Ludington - West Michigan

friday august 18th - sunday august 20th

p616.com & wilson prod. present:

TRIBAL ROOTS
3 day campout and music celebration

gates open at 5pm, camp all weekend, lake and beach in walking distance,
bonfire, and sheltered dance floor, so it's rain or shine :) ..

friday night / saturday morning (9pm-6am):

myles serge (techno / house - dosed - gr)
kreature (jungle - traverse city)
defunkt (trance - gr)
devolve (live trance / techno pa - detroit)
dempsey (hard house - kalamazoo)
the schryb (jungle - snafu*sound - gr)

saturday night / sunday morning (9pm-9am):

mumtaz (techno on 3 tables - elegal underground - chicago)
scotty v (jungle - cc tech / spin cycle records - lansing)
todd ernst (trance - the dominion theory - gr)
funke antes (dj & mc hip hop crew - traverse city)
olivia (house - gr)
risc (jungle - traverse city)
dj battle & mc freestyle contest (email art@p616.com to sign up)

open decks throughout the weekend - check http://p616.com for the schedule
..

$15 with 2 cans of food for all weekend & camping - if you're coming from
outa state, email art@p616.com for the $5 outa state list - you can bring
your own food and water and stuff, but please no alcohol, glass containers,
or personal bonfires :) .. please respect the land and all around you so
that we can all enjoy ..

check http://p616.com for the flyer, dj time slots, and more info

see ya! ;)

art


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ATTENTION: THE LONG-RUNNING CLUB NIGHT LIFT IS SHIFTING LOCATIONS ONCE AGAIN
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY...THE ELECTRA TRIAL RUN IS COMPLETE AND LIFT WILL BE
AT A COUPLE NEW VENUES OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS...THE SCHEDULE IS AS
FOLLOWS...CALL THE INFO LINES AND INDIVIDUAL CLUBS FOR DIRECTIONS!!!

August 3, 2000
LIFT presents
SUPERSTAR DJ KEOKI-LA (Moonshine Records, www.djmixed.com/keoki)
Dont miss the return performance of Keoki to Cincinnati up close and
personal in an extended set.  He has always played solid sets here and he is
sure to shine as we debut our newest venue Annie's. TURBOSOUND, a large
dancefloor, a well stocked bar, and one of the world's most notorious (and
favorite) djs is all you need to help make your summer complete.

LOCATION: ANNIE'S 4343 Kellogg Ave.  Cincinnati, OH 45226  Annie's Info:
(513) 321-0220
18+ WITH ID, ADMISSION: $10
513.665.9999-CLUBHEAD   513.648.9647-YUM YUM    513.956.0750-STILLFRESH

August 10, 2000
LIFT presents
LADY MISS KIER-LONDON (www.ladykier.com; ex-Deee-lite)
The former Deee-Lite diva has reinvented herself as a drum and bass dj. She
has been working hard at improving her skills
on the decks and we all know what she can do when she sings.  For the
record, she will be spinning and singing during her
set and judging by a top 10 list of hers from Spring 2000 she has been
playing dnb as well as groovin deep house.

BABY ANNE-ORLANDO (www.bassqueen.com; Zone Records, Pandisc Records)
Baby Anne has seen her star rise out of the crowded Florida scene with
breakbeat bombs on Icee's Zone Records and also
on her mixed cd series on Pandisc.  She plays hi-energy breaks and is sure
to rock the turbosound bins with lots of bass and
trademark florida beats.  Dont miss her debut area appearance!
    also:
    BOB-A-DOB-CINCINNATI
    NAUTIGROOVE-CINCINNATI
    TROLL-CINCINNATI

LOCATION: ANNIE'S 4343 Kellogg Ave.  Cincinnati, OH 45226 Annie's Info:
(513) 321-0220
18+ WITH ID, ADMISSION: $10
513.665.9999-CLUBHEAD   513.648.9647-YUM YUM    513.956.0750-STILLFRESH

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
djoracle@onebox.com
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FRIDAY AUGUST 18, 2000
CINCINNATI, OH
CLUBHEAD RECORDS presents: AN INTIMATE EVENING WITH...
GAETEK aka Gaetano Parisio-NAPLES, ITALY
Gaetek has recorded for such widely acclaimed techno labels as Drum Code,
Conform, Primate, Planet Rhythm and Art as part of an extensive production
and dj career. Dont miss this master of minimal techno in an exclusive and
ultra-rare US dj appearance as part of his current world tour
also:
BOB-A-DOB-CINCINNATI
REACT-CINCINNATI
ORACLE-CINCINNATI

VENUE: TBA-CALL THE INFO LINES
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Subject: [mw] AmeriKKKa

What I want to know is how is it that a college graduate from an
upper end university with a double degree and 6 years experience
within his field was intentionally kept unemployed for a total of
5 months this past year?

If it wasn't for my parents sending me money, I would've been put
in jail a long time ago for being forced to commit a crime!

The biggest slap in the face was for one of the recruiting agencies
I applied at, they made you sign a sheet that you had recieved
unemployment, when you really had recieved NOTHING to make 
the state look good!...In addition, when you are a temp, not only do 
you recieve no benefits, but you also get paid less than regular 
employees.

No wonder, so many minorities have been forced into dealing drugs
around here!...Odd thing is, mostly minorities are locked up, while
authorities look away from the white dealers!

Welcome to AmeriKKKa indeed!!

No wonder there has been such a disinformation effort to keep me 
ignored!!

Keep doin them drugs and forget about voting so the corporate
sponsored nazi white supremist pro-military president can wage 
another war to oppress the rest of the world!!




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    Hehe, I think it's just you, I'm sittin' here trying to think of any
list members who specifically *don't* like jungle, I know Lauryn has a bit
of a "preferrence" for techno, but I don't recall even her saying she hated
jungle... And I agree, how could you hate such a cute, cuddly, loveable
music?

Matt Murphy
sound.light.motion
murph@mr.net

> Is it just me, or does everyone on this list hate jungle. How can anyone
> seriously contend that jungle isn't the finest form of music ever created
by
>
> mankind, when it so obviously outclasses every other form of "electronic"
> music.



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> > 2.) what would get hardcore Kids to an event that had
> > a full room of hardcore( like what kind of line up)sho
>
my personal opinion....NO happy core...its not hardcore....but thats just my 
opinion...i know id come to a hardcore party regaurdless of who was 
playin...but it would make me extra pleased if i didnt have to listen to 
happy shit while i was there

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>I'd like to see skinner do a live PA.  (he's from NJ, dunno if you've heard
>of him).
>

for the record....i would love to see this too...also it would be one of my 
furthur live pa picks :-)

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Subject: RE: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!

i saw dennis rodman at a party...but i dont think thats suprising...or even 
that interesting really

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: RE: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!
>Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:54:02 -0500
>
>good thread... anyone else see someone suprising/interesting @ a party?
>
>dica doesn't count. :p
>
>-t
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hugh G. Blaze [mailto:hughblaze@hotmail.com]
>Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: [dcraves] JAY LENO and SASHA & DIGWEED!
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>Hey, I once saw Alice Cooper at a party in Detroit. Welcome to my 
>nightmare,
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Subject: RE: [mw] AmeriKKKa

you know, you're gonna end up turning this whole list into a bunch of
apathetic crackheads if you make these sort of promises.  I didn't realize
that we had so much power!

-t

-----Original Message-----
From: Opaque316@aol.com 
Subject: [mw] AmeriKKKa

What I want to know is how is it that a college graduate from an
upper end university with a double degree and 6 years experience
within his field was intentionally kept unemployed for a total of
5 months this past year?

If it wasn't for my parents sending me money, I would've been put
in jail a long time ago for being forced to commit a crime!

<snipped more bitching>

Keep doin them drugs and forget about voting so the corporate
sponsored nazi white supremist pro-military president can wage 
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> It's looks like one helluva time.  From what I heard, they're going for the
> world's longest slip n' slide... and I think someone's doing a rave-u-mentary
> on it.  Maybe we can get a real movie about the scene, instead of "Go!".

hahahaha. right.

well, laura and i will be there...manning the untranslateable concept booth.
look for our signs including the "your mother is HERE" sign.

i'll be playing the 2nd stage at 2AM friday night...deep dark and bumpin
electro...please come by and say hello to me and shake your asses.
(preferably to the music...)

bom shankar!
--varsha

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Subject: Re: [mw] the yes fest

i wanna go
but i dont have a ride
and my cars a lil fucked up
so im not goin
though to anyone who is...i recommend french lick springs as your "home away 
from the party" for the weekend...wonderful hotel !!!

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>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] the yes fest
>Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:46:03 GMT
>
>
>I haven't heard too much talk about this thing on the list.
>
>Is anybody going?
>
>They have a decent line-up, the door price is fair, and it's a
>outdoor/weekend long festival.
>
>The weather is going to be all clear this weekend so you won't have to deal
>with any rain!
>
>the line-up:
>
>Bad Boy Bill
>RICHARD "HUMPTY" VISSION
>Nigel Richards
>Ming & FS
>skylab2000
>Alexi Delano
>David Hollands & Linus (Subterfuge Tour)
>Larry Tee  (Grammy Award nominee)
>Bizz
>D-knox
>3D
>Aaron Ochoa
>Trevor Lamont
>Slugo
>Slater Hogan
>THE TEKNICIANS(aka: Luis Aguilera & Josh Grant)
>DJ Gruve
>Chocolate the Freaky Afronaut
>Define
>Max
>Varsha
>Tim Krochalk
>
>plus many more performers, suprise performers, and Independent sound
>systems.
>
>including:
>
>T H E   S U B S O N I K    S O U N D    S Y S T E M ! ! !
>
>Featuring:
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>Jeremiah, and Ariel.
>
>We've rented a mini circus tent, sound, lights, and a big ass generator.
>
>We will be wrecking shop all weekend.
>
>Some come out and say hi.
>
>for info call:
>317.579.3100
>
>or visit www.yesfest.com
>
>or call our line: 513.682.3282
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I like to ask people what happy hardcore is. It's funny but 4 out of 5 people really have no ideal what it is. This one time, this girl said it was "that fast music that goes BOOM BOOM BOOM." I said..no that's your momma.

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my senior year of college i lived with a bordeline schitzophrenic
crossdressing atomic physicist, and the one thing we had in common was a =
love
of happy hardcore.  whenever we had house parties he'd get all dressed up=
 like
eleanor rosevelt and i'd play dune and anabolic frolic cd's.  ahh,
memories....

peace,
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at
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my senior year of college i lived with a bordeline schitzophrenic
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love
of happy hardcore.  whenever we had house parties he'd get all dressed up=
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my senior year of college i lived with a bordeline schitzophrenic
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eleanor rosevelt and i'd play dune and anabolic frolic cd's.  ahh,
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at
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>>I like to ask people what happy hardcore is. It's funny but 4 out of 5
people really have no ideal what it is. This one time, this girl said it was
"that fast music that goes BOOM BOOM BOOM." I said..no that's your momma.

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hehehe.. although i think that's a pretty good description...  how else?..
It's fast, it's loud, it's obnoxious, it's got the high-pitched female
vocals over 180 bpm, and has that "happy" feeling that doesn't quit and is
more disturbing than genuinely happy could ever be...  like seeing 14 yr old
rolling candy kids.

we thought once what if happy hardcore is actually ABOVE & BEYOND & DEEPER
than all techno, jungle, all other "intelligent dance music"? What if it's a
meta form of electronica, thus much harder to understand/comprehend.
how else does it make sense? (not really a rhetorical question)


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On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:50:17PM -0500, matt hellige wrote:
> as much as this pains me...
> 
> 
> Subject: TRANCE LUMINARY COMES TO CHICAGO!!!
> 
> Bang: the Quality of Sound
> Friday August 4th, 2000
> 
> BT performing LIVE!

Actually, BT cancelled his show in Minneapolis a while back (and his
entire tour, I was told) because he tore a tendon in his ankle or some
other pretty boy excuse like that...  I'm not saying it's cancelled, I'm
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> > Subject: TRANCE LUMINARY COMES TO CHICAGO!!!
> >
> > Bang: the Quality of Sound
> > Friday August 4th, 2000
> >
> > BT performing LIVE!
>
> Actually, BT cancelled his show in Minneapolis a while back (and his
> entire tour, I was told) because he tore a tendon in his ankle or some
> other pretty boy excuse like that...  I'm not saying it's cancelled, I'm
> just saying that you should call the venue ahead of time or something of
> the like.

    He cancelled that weekend, I'm pretty sure he didn't cancel the whole
tour. This stop may have opened up as a result of some cancellations, maybe
that's why the short notice... who know, but I'm sure he could perform just
fine in a leg brace, and from what I'm told he's the kind of person who
would just because he really enjoys it. Have fun, we missed him you
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On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 10:45:05AM -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:
>     He cancelled that weekend, I'm pretty sure he didn't cancel the whole
> tour. This stop may have opened up as a result of some cancellations, maybe
> that's why the short notice... who know, but I'm sure he could perform just
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> On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 10:45:05AM -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:
> >     He cancelled that weekend, I'm pretty sure he didn't cancel the whole
> > tour. This stop may have opened up as a result of some cancellations, maybe
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> > would just because he really enjoys it. Have fun, we missed him you
> > bastards!
> 
> I wouldn't say we "missed" him, Matt.

i also wouldn't say i'm going to "miss" him in chicago. i wouldn't say
i'm going to "go see him" either, though...

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Subject: Re: [mw] friday chicago: bt

What i want to know, is when is the first official "neo and morpheus" live
PA.

can we expect this at a smaller system @ furthur2000?

willl ankle injuries hold you back?
can you be held back?

    -oh the humanity
    -bill

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> On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:50:17PM -0500, matt hellige wrote:
> > as much as this pains me...
> >
> >
> > Subject: TRANCE LUMINARY COMES TO CHICAGO!!!
> >
> > Bang: the Quality of Sound
> > Friday August 4th, 2000
> >
> > BT performing LIVE!
>
> Actually, BT cancelled his show in Minneapolis a while back (and his
> entire tour, I was told) because he tore a tendon in his ankle or some
> other pretty boy excuse like that...  I'm not saying it's cancelled, I'm
> just saying that you should call the venue ahead of time or something of
> the like.
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http://www.flashback.se/archive/asbfaq_1.html

trust me, anyone can be held back.

-t

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can we expect this at a smaller system @ furthur2000?

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>     He cancelled that weekend, I'm pretty sure he didn't cancel the whole
>tour. This stop may have opened up as a result of some cancellations, maybe
>that's why the short notice... who know, but I'm sure he could perform just
>fine in a leg brace, and from what I'm told he's the kind of person who
>would just because he really enjoys it. Have fun, we missed him you
>bastards!

matt,

I'm curious to know where exactly you heard the rumor that BT really enjoys 
performing in a leg brace.

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heres a question...why don't you email BT
i am sure one of you guys gots his email addy....an if not...email me 
privatly an i will give it to you...yes..

as far as i know by talkin to him....he did cancel shows for this month or 
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I always thought of HHC as an oompah band on meth amphetamines... with
Female divas that have been inhaling large amounts of helium.

tad



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people really have no ideal what it is. This one time, this girl said it
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i like jungle just fine.  i just dont like to hear it at parties...  it doesnt
work for me (well.. very rarely)  especially since the majority of jungle that i
hear now is that dark stuff... play some jump-up or old school sorta stuff and
ill be dancing all nite.

-chad

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> Is it just me, or does everyone on this list hate jungle. How can anyone
> seriously contend that jungle isn't the finest form of music ever created by
> mankind, when it so obviously outclasses every other form of "electronic"
> music.
>
> >people in texas like jungle *alot*.  i have yet to see a party w/out at
> >least one headliner, not to mention all jungle nites...  blech!
> >
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> >
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> On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 10:45:05AM -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:
> >     He cancelled that weekend, I'm pretty sure he didn't cancel the
whole
> > tour. This stop may have opened up as a result of some cancellations,
maybe
> > that's why the short notice... who know, but I'm sure he could perform
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> > fine in a leg brace, and from what I'm told he's the kind of person who
> > would just because he really enjoys it. Have fun, we missed him you
> > bastards!
>
> I wouldn't say we "missed" him, Matt.

    Haha, well I was going to save that judgement for *after* his show, I've
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On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 12:09:33PM -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:
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> heard enough good things about him, and I naturally like to hear live PAs
> alot so I wanted to see him, but I suppose you weren't too dissapointed...

Well, I am also quite the fan of live PAs...  Hell, I probably would've
ended up there had he showed for lack of anything better to do in
Minneapolis that night.  Plus I could hug the speakers and cry during
his Blue Skies remix.  :P

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    Haha, adam, call allied, I bet they'd book you guys, with talent like
yours, you're sure to draw the crowds. - heard across the campsite at
Further 2000: "dude! I heard supergroup Neo and Morpheus are here! Forget
Oakey, They're performing LIVE over at the Allied tent, c'mon, let's go
dude! Don't forget your binky!" Hahahahahaha... but yeah, seriously, you
should con somebody into booking you guys...

Matt Murphy
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> What i want to know, is when is the first official "neo and morpheus" live
> PA.
>
> can we expect this at a smaller system @ furthur2000?
>
> willl ankle injuries hold you back?
> can you be held back?



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an excellent point ken, and exactly why i forwarded this!
PVD AND OAKEY BABY!!! I'M STIFF WITH EXCITEMENT!

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Who's got the DiVX;-) ?   (Not the failed PPV DVD format !)

Reply privately please.

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Subject: [mw] it's funny.

http://dblack.net/ravesinct.jpg
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This Zen Liquid X is really giving me a celestial g force posivibe.

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Subject: Re: [mw] Napster definately libeled, and I rip this moron kid a new asshole

<<>Hey, you're totally wrong here, too. But if you got your head out of 
 >your ass and researched before you opened your wanker mouth, you might 
 >know that. Read on:
>
>From Stanford Univeristy's legal brief on the Audio home recording act >of 
>1992:
<<<snip>>>
>As the legislative history to this statute noted, "In short, the reported 
>legislation would clearly establish that consumers cannot be >sued for 
>making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use."  H.R. 
>Rep. 102-780(I).>>


Note: For those who enjoy drama, the juicy
part of this email is the last paragraph.

The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 you've
described does *not* cover computers or MP3s.
I gave the reason why in the email I sent right
before your big tirade.  See the last paragraph of

http://www.minidisc.org/ahra.html

Anyway, if MP3s/computers *were* covered by AHRA,
Napster would've won the trial with flying colors.
But they lost.  If the users aren't doing anything
illegal, then what could Napster possibly be doing
wrong by assisting them with their legal activity?
I was wrong to so arrogantly and emphatically
proclaim that "downloading copyrighted MP3s is a
crime"...I don't really know the details, but it
seems to be a legal gray area.  It's definitely NOT
legal, but there haven't been many cases of MP3
users getting sued to establish exactly what kind of
criminal offense (or tort) it is.  The Napster trials
will help clear the issue up a bit.

If Napster wins in September, it will probably be
because of the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992.
Judge Patel threw the argument out because computers
aren't covered by the AHRA in its current form.  The
AHRA calls a recording device something that is used
primarily for the purpose of recording; multipurpose
devices are not covered by the Act.  Computers
(hard disks and other storage devices) are
specifically excluded.  But a lot of people think
they *should* be included, and I think that might be
part of the reason Napster Inc. was granted an appeal.

Here's why it's an extremely difficult issue: The
AHRA is intended to allow people to make recordings
off TV or radio or copies of recordings they own
for their personal use.  That puts a little dent in
the recording industry's profits, but not much of
one.  Also, manufacturers of the media covered by
the AHRA have to pay the recording industry
royalties.  The question is: Are MP3 distribution
systems and computer storage really covered by the
intent of the AHRA?  After all, there's a huge
difference between making a shody tape recording
of some song you happen to hear on the radio, vs.
being able to instantly access and burn on to CD
ANY song you want.  Where do we draw the line?
If noncommercial home recording is okay, is it
okay for me to make millions of CDR copies of copy-
righted CDs I have and mail them all around the
world for free?  After all, that is home recording
for a noncommercial purpose!  No, it wouldn't be
legal.  The AHRA isn't that simple.  Not just
anything goes.  There are many kinds of
noncommercial home recordings that are still
illegal, and MP3s are included (of course AHRA is
much more complex than the paragraph abstract you
sent to the list).  And that's why Napster won.

You're right, Ken, I really don't know much about
the law or the Napster trials.  I've only read like
one or two stupid internet articles on the subject
and glanced at a couple links.  I'm just
extrapolating from what I've read and trying to
uncover the philosophy behind the RIAA and Patel's
decision because I think it's a subject that
warrants discussion (erm, mature discussion).  I'm
no legal expert (and neither are you, as you've so
boldly demonstrated).  Maybe one day I will be.
But I apologize for taking on such a cocky attitude
in my other email.  I was at least somewhat mistaken,
and I never should act like I know it all.

I know you try very hard to be the resident asshole,
and usually your posts are funny in a 4th grade kind
of way.  But careful with that temper.  If you want
to call Doris promiscuous or send your thousandth
one-liner saying trance is dumb, that's fine
(expecting, of course, the people you offend to
retaliate).  But when you send four messages to the
list all saying the same (mistaken) thing, that's
starting to waste bandwidth.  If you're the
gleaming beacon of journalistic infallibility you
claim to be (we all know that journalists are
infallible, and we've all heard about you studying
journalism so much you might as well send us this
glistening resume of yours and get it over with),
perhaps you could engage in a debate without
calling someone a "shit-eating moron," "moron kid,"
"dumbass," or, God forbid, "Mr. Smartypants."  I
find it as amusing as the next guy, but I just hope
you appreciate the irony of the subject line of
this email.  Oh, and I know what "libel" means.
I hope you use a spell-checker when you write your
articles, I *DEFINITELY* wouldn't want to spell
a word wrong in a headline or subject line.

Kevin

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:03:59 CDT, Kevin M. Ryan wrote:
>
>Anyway, if MP3s/computers *were* covered by AHRA,
>Napster would've won the trial with flying colors.
>But they lost.  If the users aren't doing anything
>illegal, then what could Napster possibly be doing
>wrong by assisting them with their legal activity?
>I was wrong to so arrogantly and emphatically
>proclaim that "downloading copyrighted MP3s is a
>crime"...I don't really know the details, but it
>seems to be a legal gray area.  It's definitely NOT
>legal, but there haven't been many cases of MP3
>users getting sued to establish exactly what kind of
>criminal offense (or tort) it is.  The Napster trials
>will help clear the issue up a bit.


I may be wrong here, but anyway...

1) It is ok to have a recorded copy of
something you own located on your hard drive.

2) Nobody but you knows if you -really- own the stuff.

3) It is legal, as far as I know, to let people
browse your computer files, with your permission.

4) I believe it is legal to posses a copy of copyrighted
materiel for up to 24 hours in order to "evaluate" it.

5) Once someone downloads something from you,
it isn't your responsibility what they do with it.

6) Napster is just a search engine.

7) Yes, there are laws being broken.
But not by Napster (well, I guess that
is to be determined).

8) The only time a law is broken is when
someone keeps copyrighted material for
longer then 24 hours.  It's the individual,
not the search engine breaking the law.

9) Are they going to prosecute everyone ?

10) How come the RIAA isn't prosecuting
libraries ?  I can check out a CD, burn it
and give it to all my friends.  (Or video
stores ???)

	- Joe


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----- Forwarded message from Charlie Tillinghast <djcharlest@hotmail.com> -----

august 5th, 2000.

l a b r y n t h

featuring:

Odi
   [koncrete jungle - nyc]

Steven Sacks
   [premium soulsonic megajive - atl/san fran]

Equinox
   [havoc/mink recordings - det]
Saul Goode
   [consoul - det]
Adam Caruso
   [plurkids - det]
T. Linder
   [techno city records - det]
Bassick
   [dubtech/tang - det/flint]
Charles T.
   [consoul - det]
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   [trancended - det]
Bassghost
   [nu-tribe - flint]
Nic Nac
   [tang - flint]
Kevy K
   [safe2dance - det]
Megascreen
   [live trance performance]
Jayme J
   [audioart - lansing]
devious
   [DYZ - det]
Two Tone
   [paradise - det]
X-412
   [tang - flint]


1 indoor / 2 outdoor areas -
secure venue in holly, mi - north of detroit.

sound by DJ Bill & Co./lights by Abstrakt

info:
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support:
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I did this with another list on my sprint pcs phone a long time ago...
until I got incredibly sick of paging through miles of >>>>>>>>>>>'s and
headers on a 8x4 (I think) screen.  I suppose a real geek would've hacked
sendmail to fix a bunch of that... :/

-MikeY! (dork and a half)

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Subject: Re: [mw] it's funny.

Well, you know what they say, It's a Rave New World, and my Underground
Millenium Euphoric Hyperreality has an Essence of Elevation and Pure Love. I
think I'll go check out some Techno (music) in the Jungle (room)...
Peace
John
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> http://dblack.net/ravesinct.jpg
> http://dblack.net/ravesinct2.jpg
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> This Zen Liquid X is really giving me a celestial g force posivibe.
>
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High pitched vocals? Uhhh..that may be tru for some tracks, but there are alot of tracks out there that live vocalist. No samples. 


This beat is hardcore no tricks.



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Subject: Re: [mw] You've all been had, suckas.

dude, anyone who saw the ad knew that it wasnt real, in fact it was done by
an ad agency in minneapolis, its called WHOIS sucka
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Subject: [mw] ATTENTION PRODUCERS

im not sure if i forwarded this along or not...please send all inquiries
regarding this to tommie @ dust traxx at the addresses below...i have
nothing to do with this aside from forwarding it for him...

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
djoracle@onebox.com
www.zap.to/djoracle [under const.]
www.icast.com/member/djoracle

> ATTENTION PRODUCERS!!!
>
> Tommie Sunshine here of xylophone jones Recordings. I am currently seeking
> demo material for release on my new imprint distributed through Dust Traxx
> here in Chicago. Here is a brief description of what I am looking for:
>
> Well crafted techno, electro, or house music that seriously reflects the
> influence of Italio-Disco, New Wave, Mid-80's Detroit, Freestyle, Wax Trax
> Industrial, and early New York Breakdance/Hip Hop.
>
> I do not care if you work on a four-track or a Pro-Tools system, if you
can
> jack, I will know from the demo you send me. All submissions will be
> reviewed and considered for release. CDR or DAT demos preferred.
Cassettes,
> only if necessary! Also include a bio and a bit about yourself and your
> history in electronic music.
>
> Send demos to the below address:
>
> =-> Tommie Sunshine (aka tomamerica)
> tommie@dusttraxx.com
> A+R - xylophone jones Recordings
> Promotional Director - Dust Traxx Recordings
>
> 3851 West Eddy
> Chicago, IL
> 60618
> USA
>
> phone (773) 539 8568
>   fax (773) 539 8569


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Subject: Re: [mw] it's funny.

Beware "anything futuristic"




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Subject: RE: [mw] A?? about hardcore and jungle?????

What I always thought was interesting is how something that used to just
come in the middle of a techno track as a change-up became an entire new
genre. Esp in a day and age (were talkin 1990 here when I heard my first
"jungle-like" tune) when sample time was at a huge premium ie I remember
being told that 8 megs in my Emax 2 was gonna cost over 700 bux! Nothing
wrong with it, mind you, just the evolution is interesting.

Amazing.

Rob (throwing away his synths to play bongos through FX in hopes of starting
a new genre)

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it'd be a lot better if we could figure out how it was different from drum
and bass.

(ducks),
-t

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [mw] A?? about hardcore and jungle?????

Is it just me, or does everyone on this list hate jungle. How can anyone 
seriously contend that jungle isn't the finest form of music ever created by

mankind, when it so obviously outclasses every other form of "electronic" 
music.

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Subject: Re: [mw] happy hardcore

 180 bpm, and has that "happy" feeling that doesn't quit and is
>more disturbing than genuinely happy could ever be...  like seeing 14 yr old
>rolling candy kids.
>


A happy fluffy bunny rabbit with a bloody butcher knife in its hand. 




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Subject: [mw] happy hardcore...

Happy hardcore is the bastard son of rave music...it's brother is 2-step garage aka UK garage. How about that Artful Dodger...whoooooooo!!! Re-rewind. Someone let me know when there's a 2 Step remix of Fire or Urban Shakedown's Arsonist (Some Justice don't count!!)

And how about UK hardhouse! Hooj Choons!! Tripoli Traxx!! Tidy Traxx! Awwwyeah! 

Oh yeah...HH does not go 180. If it does, that's cuz the DJ is playing everything at +8. Open your eyes!!



BOWWWWLLLING M@$$iVE!!!

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On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

+Oh yeah...HH does not go 180. If it does, that's cuz the DJ is playing
+everything at +8. Open your eyes!!

it's hard to see what speed they're playing records at when the stage is
so high.


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Subject: [mw] NRR: supergreg.com and rubberburner.com

> ______________________________________________________
> >http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,37985,00.html
> >
> >Shades of Mahir? Just Slight-Lee
> >
> >A couple of new, cheesy personal home pages have started making a buzz
> >on the Net.
> >
> >http://www.Rubberburner.com and http://www.Supergreg.com were passed
> >around via email and picked up by numerous weblogs -- link sites that
> >function as an informal, unofficial Net underground.
> >
> >Apparently, a lot of people thought they had found the new Mahir.
> >
> >If only.
> >
> >Like the Turkish wannabe lover whose quaintly naive homepage made him
> >the laughing stock and/or darling of sophisticated Web surfers,
> >Rubberburner and Supergreg seem to be the personal Web pages of people
> >who are hopelessly out of touch.
> >
> >Rubberburner.com is the home page of Curry, "a slim and handsome race
> >car driver."
> >
> >The site shows half-a-dozen glamor shots of Curry wearing a tasteless
> >leather Evel Knievel jumpsuit unzipped to his navel, revealing bare
> >chest and gold locket.
> >
> >"Bold, handsome, confident, and good-looking are the words that
> >immediately come to my mind when I try to describe my personality,"
> >Curry says. "On second thought, other words that come up are gorgeous,
> >sexy, and brave."
> >
> >Supergreg.com is the home page of a Latino DJ from the "barrio."
> >
> >"This is my home site for all home boys and home chicks, giving U a
> >flava of the Super Greg Concept," the site says.
> >
> >Super Greg's page is also full of snapshots, showing Super Greg wearing
> >an over-tight, bright red tracksuit, making gang hand signals or hanging
> >with his "homies."
> >
> >Both sites are fakes.
> >
> >As first noted by Need To Know, a weekly technology newsletter from
> >Britain, the sites are in fact part of a "viral" marketing campaign to
> >sell Lee jeans.
> >
> >Curry, Super Greg, and a third character called Roy, who is featured on
> >the far less convincing companion site Born to Destroy, are a trio of
> >"villains" invented by the Fallon advertising agency as part of a
> >recently launched advertising campaign for Lee dungarees.
> >
> >During the campaign, the three villains challenge Buddy Lee, the plucky
> >doll who has been Lee's long-time mascot, in a series of competitions.
> >
> >Buddy, naturally, triumphs.
> >
> >The phony homepages were put together on a whim during breaks in filming
> >of the campaign's TV spots, said aul Malstrom, an art director at Fallon
> >who co-created he new campaign with his partner, Linus Kalsson.
> >
> >Malstrom said he hoped people would see the Web pages, be puzzled but
> >amused, and then -- like a virus -- pass them on to their friends.
> >
> >"It was inspired by Mahir and pages like that," Malstrom admitted. "It
> >felt very natural when we developed these characters that they should
> >have their own Web pages.
> >
> >"We kind of made them with our left hand and put them up. We didn't even
> >tell the client.... I guess it gives a little extra dimension to their
> >characters when you see them on TV."
> >
> >The strategy appears to have worked. In the last several days the sites
> >have received tens of thousands of visitors every day, according to the
> >agency.
> >
> >"It went over our expectations," Malstrom said.
> >
> >It seems the majority of visitors had no idea the sites were part of an
> >advertising campaign, at least until early this week when the Web
> >publishers started to catch on.
> >
> >None of the sites make any reference to Fallon, Buddy Lee, jeans, or
> >advertising.
> >
> >"I initially thought the sites were just personal homepages," said
> >weblog publisher Ben Tesch, who linked to the sites last week. "It
> >looked like any of the other millions of filler personal sites that go
> >up every day, but the copy and photos were hilarious."
> >
> >But when Tesch found out the sites weren't genuine, he felt like a
> >sucker.
> >
> >"When I found out it was part of an advertising campaign, I did what any
> >upstanding American citizen would do: ran to the nearest store and
> >bought 12 pairs of Lee jeans," Tesch said in an email.
> >
> >"Do we really want advertising to blend into artistic and personal sites
> >so well that we can't tell the difference nymore?" said Ryan Gantz,
> >publisher of Sixfoot6 weblog, in a post to MetaFilter. "Both the Curry
> >and Super Greg sites are hilarious, and humorous advertising never
> >bothers me much, no matter how it's presented.
> >
> >"But I worry about crafty marketing schemes weaseling their way into
> >content, be it in a website, a movie, or a TV show."
> >
> >Fallon's Malstrom is unrepentant.
> >
> >"If they were branded, they would not be sent around as much," he said.
> >"I felt it was fun. You get to know these guys a little bit before you
> >see the advert on TV."


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Subject: Re: [mw] Napster definately libeled, and I rip this moron kid a new asshole

I should probably just be unsubbed. Especially since I don't always use 
spell check.

>But when you send four messages to the
>list all saying the same (mistaken) thing, that's
>starting to waste bandwidth.
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Subject: [mw] Re: Someone's new anal oriface

I could be really off base here, but I would classify the RIAA as a BIASED 
source of infomation. You quote a passage from the RIAA website. I quote a 
non-biased University interpretation of the law. Hmmm...



>The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 you've
>described does *not* cover computers or MP3s.
>I gave the reason why in the email I sent right
>before your big tirade.  See the last paragraph of
>
>http://www.minidisc.org/ahra.html

The portion you're reffering to is, as the site notes:

"RIAA Clarifies the Legality of Home Audio Recording"

"The following is a part of a reply from http://www.soundbyting.com (a 
Recording Industry Association of America site) to those who enquired 
whether non-commercial copying of CDs to MD constituted copyright 
infringement."



Do you work for these people or what?

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Subject: Re: [mw] Napster definately libeled, and I rip this moron kid a new asshole



>
>On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:03:59 CDT, Kevin M. Ryan wrote:
> >
> >Anyway, if MP3s/computers *were* covered by AHRA,
> >Napster would've won the trial with flying colors.
> >But they lost.  If the users aren't doing anything
> >illegal, then what could Napster possibly be doing
> >wrong by assisting them with their legal activity?
> >I was wrong to so arrogantly and emphatically
> >proclaim that "downloading copyrighted MP3s is a
> >crime"...I don't really know the details, but it
> >seems to be a legal gray area.  It's definitely NOT
> >legal, but there haven't been many cases of MP3
> >users getting sued to establish exactly what kind of
> >criminal offense (or tort) it is.  The Napster trials
> >will help clear the issue up a bit.
>
>
>I may be wrong here, but anyway...
>
>1) It is ok to have a recorded copy of
>something you own located on your hard drive.
>
>2) Nobody but you knows if you -really- own the stuff.
>
>3) It is legal, as far as I know, to let people
>browse your computer files, with your permission.
>
>4) I believe it is legal to posses a copy of copyrighted
>materiel for up to 24 hours in order to "evaluate" it.
>
>5) Once someone downloads something from you,
>it isn't your responsibility what they do with it.
>
>6) Napster is just a search engine.
>
>7) Yes, there are laws being broken.
>But not by Napster (well, I guess that
>is to be determined).
>
>8) The only time a law is broken is when
>someone keeps copyrighted material for
>longer then 24 hours.  It's the individual,
>not the search engine breaking the law.
>
>9) Are they going to prosecute everyone ?
>
>10) How come the RIAA isn't prosecuting
>libraries ?  I can check out a CD, burn it
>and give it to all my friends.  (Or video
>stores ???)
>
>	- Joe
>
HELLO!?! Are you paying attention, Kevster? Thank you, Joe


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Subject: Re: [mw] Napster definately libeled, and I rip this moron kid a new asshole

Beautiful reaming. That's all.

--- "Kevin M. Ryan" <sociolect@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <<>Hey, you're totally wrong here, too. But if you
> got your head out of 

(SNIP)

> I hope you use a spell-checker when you write your
> articles, I *DEFINITELY* wouldn't want to spell
> a word wrong in a headline or subject line.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> np: Future Sound of London, "Lifeforms"

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Subject: [mw] [Fwd: [Happyusa] haha]

since were talking bout dnb becoming a separate scene...

-chad

-------- Original Message --------
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Hey check this flyer that advertises for ravers NOT to come:

http://www.busytownrecords.com/augustmonthly.gif


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Subject: RE: [mw] it's funny.

i'm trying to think of many elements of my life that couldn't be described
as "futuristic"... is downloading music off the Internet, working on a web
site, and communicating with people on an email list during my day anything
but?

i hope no one finds out!
-t

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Subject: RE: [mw] it's funny.

I'm thinking that if you did all those things today, they're a part of the 
past. Maybe we all need to reevaluate and or update our concept of what 
"futuristic" really entails.


>
>i'm trying to think of many elements of my life that couldn't be described
>as "futuristic"... is downloading music off the Internet, working on a web
>site, and communicating with people on an email list during my day anything
>but?
>
>i hope no one finds out!
>-t
>
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>From: Ted Weinberg
>Subject: Re: [mw] it's funny.
>
>
>Beware "anything futuristic"
>
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no mimes.  please, say no mimes.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Hugh G. Blaze wrote:

+I'm thinking that if you did all those things today, they're a part of the 
+past. Maybe we all need to reevaluate and or update our concept of what 
+"futuristic" really entails.



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ok, fine, mimes can stay, you just have to give me drugs so i can deal
with it.

or an implant... or something.

chad

On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, chad sponholz wrote:

+
+no mimes.  please, say no mimes.
+
+On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, Hugh G. Blaze wrote:
+
++I'm thinking that if you did all those things today, they're a part of the 
++past. Maybe we all need to reevaluate and or update our concept of what 
++"futuristic" really entails.
+
+
+
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+
+there is no zen.
+-
+
+
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+


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I'm trying to do futuristic stuff here, but everytime i try to do something
it turns out to be something that's part of the past!

AAAAARRRRRRHHHHHHGGGGHHHH!!

and i think there might be a mime here somewhere... in a coffeeshop or
underneath a rock or somethin'

-t

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||and i think there might be a mime here somewhere... in a coffeeshop or
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To deal with a pesky mime infestation, simply trap it in an invisible box.. Humane *and*
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||ok, fine, mimes can stay, you just have to give me drugs so i can deal
||with it.

I've got half a partially crushed tablet I found in a cigarette cellophane and some little plastic
bits which might be "windowpanes" that I found on the floor after the rave got busted. They're
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why, did you piss off the freemasons too?

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Subject: [mw] the scene has lost its soul

 they raped me of my creation
 
 for their selfish and greedy needs
 
 by destroying my career and reputation
 
 yet i saved their world twice and they still crucified me
 
 now i am the perfect slave for their beast
 
 the scene has lost its soul
 
 what a petty goal
 
 
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Subject: [mw] B E A U T I F U L     P E O P L E  -- Line Up Addition

Just added to the already impressive line up of 
Barbara Tucker, Huggy (UK), Red Commi Bastard
(Russia via Knoxville), and the East Coast Invasion,
PhysixRecords and House of Babylon Broductions 
are PROUD to announce the addition of 

B A B Y    A N N E 
>From DJ Icey's ZONE label and many others, Baby Anne
is QUICKLY becoming the Queen of Bass-Heavy Breaks,
her own style of hard, driving and funky-as-hell breaks
that have dominated the south shores of the US as well
as the UK!

BEAUTiFUL PEOPLE
Beauty Truly Is Deep Inside!

September 30th 2000
Indianapolis, Indiana, USA
317 767 4994

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Subject: Re: [mw] the scene has lost its soul

why dont you just die?  really...

-chad

CentralSpirit@aol.com wrote:

>  they raped me of my creation
>
>  for their selfish and greedy needs
>
>  by destroying my career and reputation
>
>  yet i saved their world twice and they still crucified me
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>  now i am the perfect slave for their beast
>
>  the scene has lost its soul
>
>  what a petty goal
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>  t
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Subject: Re: [mw] A?? about hardcore and jungle?????

Tad wrote:

> I always thought of HHC as an oompah band on meth amphetamines... with
> Female divas that have been inhaling large amounts of helium.
>
> tad

Actually there have been happy hardcore live PA's featuring
people making use of helium.  No lie.

Not in the states I don't think, but the Brits have done it.



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Subject: [mw] Party & Party Prices

Ok. 


Maybe I'm rekindling an old debate... but I REALLY
don't understand party prices sometimes.  My whole
thing regarding price is value.  Value for your
dollar.  Not just on a qualitative scale, but a
quantitative one, too.


For instance.

Party A has 3 semi-nationally recognized talent, one
of which used to be a local resident, and the rest are
all locals.  Granted, there are a dozen of them, two
rooms, yada yada.   $17.

Party B has local faves, local faves of close-by
regions (although a lot of both), yada yada and is
$20.  

Party C has international talent, a national talent, a
regional talent, and locals and is also $20.  

Now, each party has something over the other.

Parties A & B have two rooms.
Parties B & C have more than basically local DJs.
Parties A & C have more of a nationally recognized 
      line-up, Party C more than A.

So, why are the prices so close?

I mean, I know they have to pay venues, which could be
more expensive in one region over another.  I know
they have to pay sound, lighting, etc, and some
promoters are historically known for providing, say,
more lighting and visuals than others.  But, does that
warrant such high prices???

Maybe I just don't understand what goes in to
promoting an event.   Take that back!  I KNOW I don't
know what it takes to "promote" and subsequently price
an event... but, it seems to me that whatever scale
promoters use to do so could use alittle fine tuning.

-Jesse 

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Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
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Subject: [mw] What!?

Anyone going to the party named "what?!" next weekend?  Just curious.  :P

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Tad wrote:

> I always thought of HHC as an oompah band on meth amphetamines... with
> Female divas that have been inhaling large amounts of helium.
>
> tad

Actually there have been happy hardcore live PA's featuring
people making use of helium.  No lie.

HAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! LOFL!!!
OMG im gonna pop!! 

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Subject: [mw] Jet Set Radio

Alright its been a long time getting to this but...

I finally got myself a copy of Jet Set Radio through "http://www.cart-mart.com" (there's always http://www.buyrite1.com)  Anyone unfamiliar with the title will see it appearing stateside as 'Jet Grind Radio' on the sega dreamcast October 31st... tentatively.  Reports say the u.s. version will have an extra course featuring music by Rob Zombie and Jurassic 5.  Whatevers clever.  That is to say if it comes out in America... All systems say go... but when you hear the context of the game... you'll see why.

The real deal is the fact that this game is one of those things like seaman (the game... seaman.) that will secretly make all you people who waited for a playstation 2... jealous as fuck... although you won't admit it... I mean looking at the launch titles right now for P2... and the fine tuned network play for dreamcast coming this fall... I'd already be moping to toys r us to buy the swirl... but i digress.

Jet Set Radio basically is a combo of crazy taxi and tony hawk... You ride around on rollerblades, collecting spray cans... tagging up walls... collecting little radios that give you the power to do different tags... and creating a 'gang' of graf artists... all the while running from the cops... who mind you will beat the shit out of you if you hang around the scene too long... sometimes with nightsticks, sometimes with their motorcycles, sometimes with tear gas, sometimes with a nice pistol.  Meanwhile, you've got rival gangs tagging up your precious wall space... so you've got to regulate.  You and your 'rudies' basically roll through the city... linked to an "underground radio network that plays nonstop hardcore music."  dj'ed by the dreadlocked Professor K... fucking up shit.

If the plot wasn't enough... the graphics are fucking amazing.  Using cell shading, the characters are polygons... but the textures make them look more like freaky animation instead of jagged reflective pieces of slop... Its like jumping into some freaky marriage of anime and hanna barbara. 

the gameplay is addictive... simply enough in some senses... but the tasks get harder as you go through... its got a trick system like hawk... (without as many options; you can jump, dash, rotate, etc.) in fact, most of the game is done with grinds, each level having a spot where you can infinite grind... (hence jet 'grind' radio... although its a horrible title) its also got its own odd trick system with tagging... large pieces done with a constant flow of movements earn you more points... you can even do a back to the future, and hitch a ride on the back of a fucking car.  what the fuck more do you want.

10 unlockable skaters... large maps with tons of weird secrets, sewer pipes, whacked cameras angles when tagging (some of which show the cops coming from behind ready to pounce,) art by graf artist Haze, subways, etcera, etcera... 

its a beautiful piece of work.

As far as owning the japanese version of the game... versus the american... there's docs online that have the full translation... a good amount of the game is spoken english... and you get the gist beyond that... I'd suggest if you've got a gameshark cdx... to order it...

you can check out previews under the dreamcast section of http://www.ign.com if you are interested.

late

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Subject: [mw] NRR but funny: Rusty is a homosexual

http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/rusty/rusty.html

does that offend anyone?  i hope so!

love,
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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: Someone's new anal oriface

SUMMARY: In this email we will look at the
actual text of the Audio Home Recording Act,
uncovering the reasons computers and MP3s
are NOT covered by the Act.  We will also
discover why downloading MP3s, is, indeed,
illegal.

<<>I could be really off base here, but I would classify the RIAA as a 
 >BIASED source of infomation. You quote a passage from the RIAA >website. I 
quote a non-biased University interpretation of the law. >Hmmm...>>

You're right, that particular explanation of the
argument came from a biased source.  Let's look
at the text of the Audio Home Recording Act
itself, shall we?

(By the way, your "non-biased University
interpretation" at
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/mirrors/faq/copyright/faq/part3
was written by an undergrad at Santa Clara
University.  If that's your idea of legal
expertise, then I must be a legal expert too.
Besides, that dumbed-down FAQ was written in
January 1994.  I don't think MP3s even existed
in 1994.  The AHRA has been updated several
times since then.)

Let's look at the CURRENT legal text itself,
US Code, Title 17, Chapter 10...

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/ch10.html

Refer to Sec.1001, Definitions...

<<(2) A ''digital audio interface device'' is any machine or
device that is designed specifically to communicate digital audio
information and related interface data to a digital audio
recording device through a nonprofessional interface.

(3) A ''digital audio recording device'' is any machine or
device of a type commonly distributed to individuals for use by
individuals, whether or not included with or as part of some
other machine or device, the digital recording function of which
is designed or marketed for the primary purpose of, and that is
capable of, making a digital audio copied recording for private
use.>>

The reason Napster LOST the AHRA argument is
because neither computers nor any computer
components (related to MP3s, that is) are
considered "digital audio recording devices"
according to the terms of the text.  A digital
audio recording device is any object that
is designed specifically for or with the primary
purpose of audio recording.  Internet software
and hardware are multipurpose devices (i.e.
audio recording is not their primary, specific
purpose), so they're not covered by the Act.
One might argue that "whether or not included
with or as part of some other machine or
device" would cover multipurpose devices like
computers, but the fact is none of the hardware
components involved in downloading free MP3s
have the specific, primary purpose of audio
recording.  They are all multipurpose.  Hard
disks, modems, and wires are NOT audio
recording devices according to the AHRA.

Moreover, notice that Subchapter C is entitled
"Royalty Payments."  ALL digital audio recording
devices/media have to pay royalties to the
recording industry (not RIAA, but other general
funds, such as the Musical Works Fund and the
American Federation of Musicians).  In other
words, IF you are covered by AHRA, THEN you must
pay royalties.  But nobody who makes/sells
computers or any kind of computer hardware pays
any royalties.  Computers, hard drives, and other
computer-related storage are NOT COVERED BY THE
AUDIO HOME RECORDING ACT OF 1992.  And that's why
Judge Patel ruled in favor of the plaintiff.

Please note, at the September
trials a new interpretation might be inaugurated.
A lot of people think computers SHOULD be covered
by the AHRA, and AHRA might be modified to include
computers after the September trials.  So I don't
want to hear any "I told you so"s if Napster wins
in September; under the current interpretation of
the law by the legal community, MP3s are not
covered by the AHRA.  But legal interpretations
and laws are always subject to change.  For now,
downloading copyrighted MP3s without authorization
is illegal (it is a tort--a kind of "crime" in
layman's terms), and people who do so are not
granted immunity from suit.

If you look back at my original site...
http://www.minidisc.org/ahra.html
...and my original description of the Audio Home
Recording Act before somebody lost his
composure, you'll find that both were being
totally consistent with (1) the terms of the
law in its true form and (2) the way the Act
was used, and shot down, in the first trial.

I know you have a very short attention span
(for you a debate seems to consist of sending
childish one-liners every five minutes as you
come up with new stupid comments that are just
as erroneous as your old stupid comments), so
I hope this wasn't too in-depth for you.

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you saved their world?  not just once, but twice?  when did that happen?  i
must have missed that episode... or was that the one that they ate the rats
in, cuz i covered my eyes for a little bit and i might have missed it.

i don't really like rats.

-t

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<snip>
yet i saved their world twice and they still crucified me
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Subject: [mw] Re: [mw-raves-calendar] za calendar

On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:18:59PM -0700, Nick Hadaway wrote:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 								       |
> 		      sat aug 5 . minneapolis, mn . THE SWING SET TOUR |
> 
> THE SWING SET TOUR
> FEATURING
> LORDS OF ACID
> PRAGA KHAN
> DJ ASSAULT

WTF?!?!  I leave Minneapolis, home of shitty trance, and Assault comes
to town!?!?  Meanwhile Chicago books motherfuckin PVD and Oakey!?!?

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> breaks sampled from old breakdance music - or james brown type funky
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> sped up to typically 6/4 or 8/4 or actually anytime signature

hmmmm? come again?  "sped up to 6/4"?  how does one do that?

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Chill Dude.  If you were a faithful Reader fan, you would know that show is 
coming to Chicago on the 6th, a Sunday yes, but none-the-less, it will be 
here.  Your bitter ol'raver meter can now be nocked down at least 10 torr 
back to normal atmospheric pressure.

Peace,
Chris


>From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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>Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:55:51 -0500
>
>On Thu, Aug 03, 2000 at 08:18:59PM -0700, Nick Hadaway wrote:
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> > 								       |
> > 		      sat aug 5 . minneapolis, mn . THE SWING SET TOUR |
> >
> > THE SWING SET TOUR
> > FEATURING
> > LORDS OF ACID
> > PRAGA KHAN
> > DJ ASSAULT
>
>WTF?!?!  I leave Minneapolis, home of shitty trance, and Assault comes
>to town!?!?  Meanwhile Chicago books motherfuckin PVD and Oakey!?!?
>
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On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 10:17:36AM -0500, Christopher Curtis wrote:
> Chill Dude.  If you were a faithful Reader fan, you would know that show is 
> coming to Chicago on the 6th, a Sunday yes, but none-the-less, it will be 
> here.  Your bitter ol'raver meter can now be nocked down at least 10 torr 
> back to normal atmospheric pressure.

No way.  My mercury is only going down about 5 mm (at absolute zero, of
course) until I find out that the Vic isn't 21+

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okay. not that a lot of people were even talkin gabout the party or
anything but just in case, so you guys can tell people that were
contemplating going... the party got cancelled. i read abou it on
se-raves...i dont know much more htan that but anyway....its not
on....<shrugs> ive only heard one person say something about maybe going
so i just wanted to let everyone know in case....

just a messenger...not the original source...so dont ask me questions.
lauryn

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Tony wrote:

<< you saved their world?  not just once, but twice?  when did 
that happen?  i must have missed that episode >>

Elijah451 writes:

* Delivery of the Y2K Oracle Papers to Mayor Greg Lashutka in 
  Columbus, Ohio while working at Noritech - Oct '98.  Oracle and
  Microsoft were the chief Y2K Compliance Systems for most of
  the US corporations pre Y2K.

* Prevention of Clinton Assasination Attempt at the G8 Summit
  Meeting in Japan by deciphering the Bible Code and the Book
  of Revelations.  The assasination attempt would have given the
  necessary go ahead for the $60 billion missile defense system
  the US Military wants to build so badly, despite China, Russia,
  Korea, and Middle East warnings that it would reinitiate the
  Cold War.

working on mission three...

* Warning the American public that the election of the Republican
   candidate George Bush Jr, would pretty much guarantee the go
   ahead for the $60 billion missile defense system.  This is evident
   in his campaign to provide more funding for the Military, his pick
   of Cheney for VP (previous US Secretary of Defense), and the 
   speeches of Powell, McCain, and Schwartzkoff at the Republican 
   National Convention in Philadelphia.  Not to mention his father's
   involvement with Desert Storm during his presidential career.
   

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why is it cancelled??? I feel that an explanation is in order here. I mean 
you can't just cancel a party and not explain your reasons for why the party 
was cancelled to the masses out there. Ultimately the promoter is liable to 
every raver, so I think we'd all like to here an explanation.

sorry for sounding like Tad
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ummmm ask them not me. and i heard something about them not having
sound. then them having to move it to SC and hten the SC people got mad
and said no...and then i heard that it is back on and that its going to be
on three hours later. whatev. ive heard its cancelled a few times over. no
one has been actually able to get in touch with the promoters but they
were driven out of NC and then out of SC. so where they gonna move
it? another state away? <shrugs> i would just call the infoline and see if
it is still on before anyone goes anywhere. just my advice. 

> why is it cancelled??? I feel that an explanation is in order here. I mean 
> you can't just cancel a party and not explain your reasons for why the party 
> was cancelled to the masses out there. Ultimately the promoter is liable to 
> every raver, so I think we'd all like to here an explanation.
> 
> sorry for sounding like Tad
> shawne
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Awww, come on Shawne! Low blow!

Tad isn't a bad guy...

Couldn't resist,

Miztie



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>  why is it cancelled??? I feel that an explanation is in order here. I
mean 
>  you can't just cancel a party and not explain your reasons for why the
party 
>  was cancelled to the masses out there. Ultimately the promoter is liable
to 
>  every raver, so I think we'd all like to here an explanation.
>  
>  sorry for sounding like Tad
>  shawne
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gemalcolm@hotmail.com writes:
 
 << it goes much much deeper than this...assuredly bush would definately try 
to 
  get the NDMS operational, he has been bought out by large corporate 
interest 
  long ago...in fact he is at least a second generation corporate yes 
  man...this goes without saying how the national defense state (i.e the CIA, 
  FBI, NSA, and other executive organs) will become bolder in their 
oppression 
  of third world aspirations, and poor/minority and working class aspirations 
  here in th US...don't just look and analyse the scenery...you have to look 
  deeper into the class based, and trans-national based dominance of the 
state 
  over everything else.>>
 
 Actually, instead of more than likely, make that he will...
 
 from AOL News...
 
 <<On a key military issue, Bush pledged to deploy a missile defense system - 
despite opposition from Russia and American allies who fear it will trigger a 
nuclear arms race.
 
 Poking fun at both Clinton and Gore, Bush said, ``I do not need to take your 
pulse before I know my own mind. I do not reinvent myself at every turn. I am 
not running in borrowed clothes.''>>
 
 Common logic...
 
 Q: What happens at the end of the board game Monopoly?
 A:  The winner (the Beast) owns everything and everyone in the end.
 
 Q: What is the largest Monopoly in the world?
 A: The US Government.
 
 Q: Who is the only person in the US Government that can give
      the word to wage War?
 A: The US President.
 
 
 Ironically, each generation has become more and more apathetic and
sedated to even care about the elections...the trend of the masses in 
becoming the perfect slaves have become more realistic than ever...

 Is this the fate that you really want?


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wow, pardon me!  i had no idea!  good luck with that 3rd one!  we're all
counting on you!

-t

ps - some people tell me that i might have a problem w/ being too sarcastic
about stuff, but i don't see how that's even possible!

-----Original Message-----
From: YourDaddyO69@aol.com
Subject: Re: [mw] the scene has lost its soul

Tony wrote:

<< you saved their world?  not just once, but twice?  when did 
that happen?  i must have missed that episode >>

Elijah451 writes:

* Delivery of the Y2K Oracle Papers to Mayor Greg Lashutka in 
  Columbus, Ohio while working at Noritech - Oct '98.  Oracle and
  Microsoft were the chief Y2K Compliance Systems for most of
  the US corporations pre Y2K.

* Prevention of Clinton Assasination Attempt at the G8 Summit
  Meeting in Japan by deciphering the Bible Code and the Book
  of Revelations.  The assasination attempt would have given the
  necessary go ahead for the $60 billion missile defense system
  the US Military wants to build so badly, despite China, Russia,
  Korea, and Middle East warnings that it would reinitiate the
  Cold War.

working on mission three...

* Warning the American public that the election of the Republican
   candidate George Bush Jr, would pretty much guarantee the go
   ahead for the $60 billion missile defense system.  This is evident
   in his campaign to provide more funding for the Military, his pick
   of Cheney for VP (previous US Secretary of Defense), and the 
   speeches of Powell, McCain, and Schwartzkoff at the Republican 
   National Convention in Philadelphia.  Not to mention his father's
   involvement with Desert Storm during his presidential career.
   

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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: Saving The World wuz Re:the scene has lost its soul

actually each generation is becoming more and more apathetic to you =)

how many email addresses have you had banned now

quick, the x-files are on, you dont want to miss it
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> gemalcolm@hotmail.com writes:
>
>  << it goes much much deeper than this...assuredly bush would definately
try
> to
>   get the NDMS operational, he has been bought out by large corporate
> interest
>   long ago...in fact he is at least a second generation corporate yes
>   man...this goes without saying how the national defense state (i.e the
CIA,
>   FBI, NSA, and other executive organs) will become bolder in their
> oppression
>   of third world aspirations, and poor/minority and working class
aspirations
>   here in th US...don't just look and analyse the scenery...you have to
look
>   deeper into the class based, and trans-national based dominance of the
> state
>   over everything else.>>
>
>  Actually, instead of more than likely, make that he will...
>
>  from AOL News...
>
>  <<On a key military issue, Bush pledged to deploy a missile defense
system -
> despite opposition from Russia and American allies who fear it will
trigger a
> nuclear arms race.
>
>  Poking fun at both Clinton and Gore, Bush said, ``I do not need to take
your
> pulse before I know my own mind. I do not reinvent myself at every turn. I
am
> not running in borrowed clothes.''>>
>
>  Common logic...
>
>  Q: What happens at the end of the board game Monopoly?
>  A:  The winner (the Beast) owns everything and everyone in the end.
>
>  Q: What is the largest Monopoly in the world?
>  A: The US Government.
>
>  Q: Who is the only person in the US Government that can give
>       the word to wage War?
>  A: The US President.
>
>
>  Ironically, each generation has become more and more apathetic and
> sedated to even care about the elections...the trend of the masses in
> becoming the perfect slaves have become more realistic than ever...
>
>  Is this the fate that you really want?
>
>
> t
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Subject: Re: [mw] global 2000 in nc cancelled.

In a message dated 8/4/00 12:51:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
teknoho@konfused.net writes:

<< ummmm ask them not me. and i heard something about them not having
 sound. then them having to move it to SC and hten the SC people got mad
 and said no...and then i heard that it is back on and that its going to be
 on three hours later. whatev. ive heard its cancelled a few times over. no
 one has been actually able to get in touch with the promoters but they
 were driven out of NC and then out of SC. so where they gonna move
 it? another state away? <shrugs> i would just call the infoline and see if
 it is still on before anyone goes anywhere. just my advice. 
  >>

Dont be a dork, Dork! =P


holdin Lauryns flyers hostage
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Subject: [mw] explanation about global 2000

This was posted to az-raves.




>hey everyone i emailed the reporter who wrote the article in the newspaper
>on
>thursday and this was her reply verbatim

>Dear John,
>I hope your friends have some alternative plans because a judge issued an
>injunction today that legally puts a stop to Global 2000.  His reasoning
>for
>the decision was the poor planning and organization of the event.
>Basically,
>the event got cancelled because the promoters neglected to contact law
>enforcement, EMS and fire agencies. Therefore they were unable to set up a
>response plan for any potential problems that may have arisen at the event
>and felt that the event could easily turn dangerous and chaotic.

>I hope that basically answers your question. I don't really know what else
>to tell you. Anyway, thank you for your interest and if you need anymore
>info, feel free to e-mail me again and I'll do my best to find out what you
>need to know.




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Subject: [mw] I'm

rolling so hard.

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you're always saying that.

chad

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, atomly wrote:

+rolling so hard.
+
+


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want a seabreeze?


On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, atomly wrote:

> rolling so hard.
> 
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i have a friend that got into a highway motorcycle/car accident (he was on
the cycle)... he said he learned one valuable lesson about rolling.

when you're flipping over and over and over while rolling down the
interstate and you think you've stopped, give it about 30 more seconds
before you open your eyes, 'cuz there's a good chance you're still going.

good luck w/ that rolling thing atomly,
-t


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(I'm)
+rolling so hard.
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On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 01:27:53PM -0500, bitch on wheels wrote:
> want a seabreeze?

Yea, that would totally help out my Zen Liquid X.

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doris is the Queen of Seabreezes......of course she's the queen of Plur too, 
so I guess that kinda goes hand-in-hand.


hearin those Barney footsteps acomin
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In a message dated 8/4/00 3:28:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, atomly@atomly.com 
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<< Yea, that would totally help out my Zen Liquid X >>

I thought you were into that Crunchy Herbal Rave Shit

stop
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On Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 03:30:55PM -0400, OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:
> I thought you were into that Crunchy Herbal Rave Shit

No "Go" references, please.

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To pick a nit, the Pres can only order troops in for 90 days without the approval
of Congress, and cannot declare war at all, that's also up to Congress.

Theesaviour@aol.com wrote:

>  Q: Who is the only person in the US Government that can give
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On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 03:04:54PM -0500, Tom Sprynczynatyk wrote:
> To pick a nit, the Pres can only order troops in for 90 days without
> the approval of Congress, and cannot declare war at all, that's also
> up to Congress.

Well, to pick another nit, technically you would have been correct until the
early nineties...  The President now has the power to keep troops in a
"conflict" for as long as he wants.  Take, for example, the whole Desert
Storm thing or the Bosnia thing.  As long as they're there for
"peacekeeping" (protecting our economic interests), Congress really has
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Subject: [mw] CHECK OUT THIS CHICK WITH BIG KNOCKERS!


http://www.sportbikeworld.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/000656.html

WOW!

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> rolling so hard.

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Subject: [mw] Amon Tobin

has a really cool website.

http://www.amontobin.com

it's flash4. don't bother if you're on dial-up, this looks like a modem-killer.



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Subject: Re: [mw] CHECK OUT THIS CHICK WITH BIG KNOCKERS!

At 02:35 PM 8/4/00 CDT, c e wrote:
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>http://www.sportbikeworld.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/000656.html
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>WOW!
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Those are some damn big knockers. 



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That was struck down by the Supreme Court cause Congress has to be the one to
declare war according to the Constitution.  The Pres still need reauthorization
every 90 days by Congress in order to keep peacekeepers in the field.


Tom

atomly wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 03:04:54PM -0500, Tom Sprynczynatyk wrote:
> > To pick a nit, the Pres can only order troops in for 90 days without
> > the approval of Congress, and cannot declare war at all, that's also
> > up to Congress.
>
> Well, to pick another nit, technically you would have been correct until the
> early nineties...  The President now has the power to keep troops in a
> "conflict" for as long as he wants.  Take, for example, the whole Desert
> Storm thing or the Bosnia thing.  As long as they're there for
> "peacekeeping" (protecting our economic interests), Congress really has
> no say.
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Spy0004 wrote: 

<< That was struck down by the Supreme Court cause 
Congress has to be the one to declare war according to 
the Constitution.  The Pres still need reauthorization
every 90 days by Congress in order to keep peacekeepers 
in the field.
 
 
 Tom>>

90 days is more than sufficient to wage a war.  All major wars
were initiated by smaller battles that involved more and more
soldiers until a full out global war ensued.

Plus, an appropriate response to troops flowin in for "defense" 
is additional soldiers to back up the troops on the opposite side.

This is exactly why a $60 billion dollar missile defense system 
may reinitiate a Cold War especially when all the leaders of all
the other nuclear capable countries and many Nobel Peace Prize
winners have warned that it would.

Bush's complete disrespect toward the words of the other world 
leaders and the current US leaders as well as his aggressive 
military and corporate influenced background is a pretty good sign 
of what direction he would like to take this country...



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Brzykcy Robert wrote:

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> Tad wrote:
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> > I always thought of HHC as an oompah band on meth amphetamines... with
> > Female divas that have been inhaling large amounts of helium.
> >
> > tad
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> Actually there have been happy hardcore live PA's featuring
> people making use of helium.  No lie.
> --
> HAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! LOFL!!!
> OMG im gonna pop!!

Mental image:

Big club in the UK.  Walls covered with overtly Satanic
artwork.  Place is filled with what sounds like cheezy
trance on 45.  On stage are two or three people completely
wired on glass sucking on baloons and MCing vocals about
being happy and joyous and carefree and loving everyone,
along with lyrics from 80s songs.  The crowd is madly
dancing also wired on E, cocaine, and methamphetamines.
The crowd consists of candy ravers, leatherboys,
and miscellaneous wierdos.  Most of them are sucking on
pacifiers and wearing glitter and makeup.  Average age
is between 18 and 25.

I have seen video clips of this.

It goes in the archive of mental images so hilarious they
must be carefully remembered.

Unfortunately I don't have the URL.

Search and you may find.

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Sex is better! try it sometime find out what your
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> On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, atomly wrote:
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> (I'm)
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Subject: [mw] four Drop Bass Network event announcements

((warning: this is very long winded!  but for a reason...))

No one ever said this throwing a party stuff was going to be easy...but
if we knew it would be like this!

So rather than just bust out with our announcement right away we want to
give you a little background and history of the course of events over
this summer.  Why?  So you know that we haven’t been doing nothing and
so that as you will see we’re pretty much on the brink of going crazy. 
Plus once you find out all the background information you will realize
why we have been _keeping our mouths shut_ all summer long.

Of course what we’re talking about is Even Furthur.  That’s right
Furthur news.  So read on...

It all started after New Years Eve.  Millennial Dawn.  6500 people
making it the biggest event in Midwest history.  But to do that it took
a serious amount of work!  Almost four solid months went into that
event.  We needed a rest after it was over.  Which means Even Furthur
got a later start than we planned on.

Fast forward.

April.  We did Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.  An old school Drop Bass
Network event in the year 2000.  It wasn’t that it took too much of our
time, but the plan was to do two events in two weekends.  Unfortunately
the other event didn’t happen because of space issues.  But we wasted a
lot of time trying to get it to work out.  For nothing.

In the meantime we started our site search for Even Furthur in late
February/early March.  No leads on anything good.  We looked and called
and looked and drove...nothing available.  Well, nothing good available.
 We could always go back to Kankakee...yeah right.

After exhausting all of our options we decided to throw in the towel and
back out of Memorial Day Weekend.  We considered doing a Little Furthur
again, but we wanted to get away from the two Furthur thing.  

On Memorial Day Weekend about 150 people still showed up at the Little
Furthur spot from last year to camp out, drink, and listen to tunes.  It
rained three out of the four days...good thing we really didn’t do a party!

So early June comes along.  We locate a venue!  After a number of phone
conversations and trips to northern Wisconsin we are set up with a
beautiful spot for this years event.  We start the planning for Even
Furthur the last weekend in July.  Except then our permit was denied. 
No way around it without risking being shut down.  Oh, we probably would
have got away with it.  But if not...

So we look at dates.  Late July is no good now.  August is taken up with
festivals and big events.  We choose Labor Day Weekend.  It makes sense
to keep it a four day event right?  Besides, that buys us some time to
sort out a venue...we think.

Late June.  Another venue score!  This one better than the last.  They
even have biker parties there.  Big ones with 4000+ people.  Damn thing
was the owner forgot he was having a wedding there Labor Day Weekend.  A
week of phone calls and visits are wasted.  Maybe next year.  It’s nice.

And while these two venues were happening we were also investigating the
dozens of ideas a lot of people were sending us.  Thanks for those!  Too
bad almost none of them panned out, but still it opened our eyes to some
possibilities.  We’ve never talked to so many venues ever.

Even later in June.  Score again.  Bigger than the last and used to some
pretty rowdy action.  A group of rave kids would be tame in comparison. 
Phone calls, visits, planning...a verbal deal is made.  Only thing is we
need to get a permit.  Uh, oooh. 

July 17 Drop Bass Network wows the town board.  Permit approved pending
a few contracts we had to get.  No problem.  Owner still cool with
things.  No contract until we get all of our ducks in a row.  We get
insurance, bathrooms, garbage service, security, tents, and everything
all ready to go.

In the meantime...word is leaked to the area that a Drop Bass Network
planned event is coming to town.  And through the marvels of modern
technology a guy with internet access and a fear of PCP smoking, devil
worshiping, hardcore blasting kids goes on a propaganda rampage.  On
July 19th a 50 page print out of the Drop Bass Network and Hyperreal
website is on the kitchen tables of every neighbor within a mile or two.
 50 fucking pages with all of the drug references, devil references,
sexual references, everything all neatly highlighted.  Talk about
insane.  Talk about shit hitting the fan...and the fan being on high!

(Proof that what you say in news groups, chat rooms, websites, and
mailing lists can be harmful in ways you don’t even know about.  But
that’s a whole other story.)

For the next four days a representative for Drop Bass Network is
knocking on people’s doors answering questions and dispelling rumors.  A
letter from us explaining the situation is given to all.  Everyone is
calmed down...except the original lunatic.  He’s got issues.

July 25th owner backs out!!!  Family gathering that weekend he was going
to skip out on, but apparently a five digit figure wasn’t enough to
convince his family they were staying home.  It’s not really quite that
simple, but that’s the jist of it.  Pure shock to us.  Flyer already
designed, line up booked, production contracted.  Well the bright side
is we have an approved permitted venue for another time...Memorial Day
Weekend next year?

Now we’re scrambling.  Mind you this is Tuesday last week!

In the meantime announcements are made on our behalf the event is
happening.  But  we didn’t say that.  (We just thought it.)  We get
several emails a day from people wondering “what’s up with Furthur?’  “I
heard this, I heard that...”.  What to do, what to do.

Tuesday night the 25th...serious talk with God.

At 6am July 26th we locate two other venue options.  One owned by a
group with Satan in their name...tell me that’s not screaming Drop Bass
Network.  The other was right under our fucking noses the whole time. 
It was a dream come true.  Too good to believe.  We’ll call that one
perfect space and the other one Satan space.

Wednesday July 26th late night deal made with the owner of perfect space.

Thursday July 27th Satan space contracted as a backup.

Friday July 28th permit application process started for perfect space
(it’s being rushed through by the county because...well, just because).

Saturday July 29th we officially decide once and for all the event is
happening.  Line up is completed (most of it was already on hold).

Sunday July 30th a dozen DIY sound systems and six alternates are chosen
from the fifty plus requests submitted over the summer (and the event
was even announced yet!).  All 12 say yes and so do the alternates...so
now we have 18 DIY’s instead of 12 like we wanted.  We better spread
them out this year, not like it was in 98.

Monday July 31st the flyer is finished early in the morning (again most
of it was already done) and it goes off to the printer for pick up on Thursday.

Thursday August 3rd...Hundreds of hassles and headaches later (and more
still to come) - the official announcement is made and promotion
campaign begins!  (The same night as George W. Bush...Drop Bass Network
for president!  Better get those lawn signs from Lucy in the Sky back out.)

Now you know the WHOLE story.

So without Furthur (pun intended) ado (we hope you made it this far):



Drop Bass Network
in association with Vibeonauts
present

Even Furthur
last dance of summer

techno campout - electric festival - family re*union

labor day weekend
Friday September 01 to Monday September 04, 2000

Somewhere, Rural Wisconsin (that’s right Wisconsin)



And what are the other announcements?
(Keep in mind these events were being worked on while all the stuff was
happening above for Furthur.  We’re not sure how we did it, but we did!)

everyone keeps telling us to throw a big rave...so we are.

Drop Bass Network
presents
Big Rave
(because there’s a little candy in all of us)

September 23, 2000
Madison, WI



and then our biggest event:

DBNYE
(for the acronymically impaired that’s Drop Bass Network New Years Eve)

December 31, 2000
all new location

repeat ALL NEW LOCATION!
Spread the word on this one.  The situation is that a lot of people
might go to our old location of six years (the Eagles Club / Rave), but
we won’t be there.  And you don’t want to be either.  Stay tuned, but we
got to get the word out now...WE HAVE AN ALL NEW LOCATION!



But wait, the subject said four Drop Bass Network event announcements
and you were only told about three?  Well the fourth one is still a
secret.  We can’t spill all the beans at once you know.  But it’s a
biggie and you will be pleased.



So that’s it (as if that wasn’t enough).  Thanks for listening.  There
should be another email out in a day or two with the full information on
Even Furthur.  Keep on the lookout for it and make sure to be on the
lookout for the flyer which is on the streets now at shops and events
around the Midwest.

Drop Bass Network

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api@relaymail.net writes:

<< Mental image:
 
 Big club in the UK.  Walls covered with overtly Satanic
 artwork.  Place is filled with what sounds like cheezy
 trance on 45.  On stage are two or three people completely
 wired on glass sucking on baloons and MCing vocals about
 being happy and joyous and carefree and loving everyone,
 along with lyrics from 80s songs.  The crowd is madly
 dancing also wired on E, cocaine, and methamphetamines.
 The crowd consists of candy ravers, leatherboys,
 and miscellaneous wierdos.  Most of them are sucking on
 pacifiers and wearing glitter and makeup.  Average age
 is between 18 and 25. >>

I had always suspected you were never really one of us!...
Especially when you had previously mentioned that you
had only been to a few parties than stopped.

I know you may have been joking, but this is exactly the 
image that the media would love to portray of us.  

The worst is that movie Groove where they portray us as
violent gun totting greedy gangstas!!...When in reality it
is the film creators who were the greedy bastards that
hoped to capitalize on such a misportrayal of our scene!!

I think they should come out to a party here in Ohio, to see
how far from the truth that movie was!!

What they'll see is a buncha mostly white suburban kids (since
they're the only ones that can afford going to the parties, the
minorities don't make nearly enough money to even go to the
parties...aside from the ones that are forced to deal drugs since
they can't get a regular job), a few are on substances, but for the 
most part they're too scared to even talk to the opposite sex...so 
they front as wanna-be g's...thinking they're bad ass if they smoke 
a li'l weed or have a few pills...However, for the most part, they're 
dorks trying to acquire some social skills, but can't because the 
music is too loud and they can't hear each other talking...so they 
end up train spotting or watching circle dancers all night!!...pretty 
pathetic actually...they actually make more friends over the internet
than in real life!!

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Subject: [mw] an accurate portrayl(sp?) of the scene was Re: A??


> The worst is that movie Groove where they portray us as
> violent gun totting greedy gangstas!!...

which movie did u see... uhm... cuz that shit wasnt' in the movie I saw...
that was called Groove... mebbie u just read summore aoHell news shit... i
dunno

When in reality it
> is the film creators who were the greedy bastards that
> hoped to capitalize on such a misportrayal of our scene!!

much more accurate than Go and most other things... and uh... i don't think
the limited release is makin as much as they could've if they'd just wanted
to do a "rave" movie (or any other kind) just to make money...

>
> I think they should come out to a party here in Ohio, to see
> how far from the truth that movie was!!
>

I thought u didn't go out... just sat online and talked to grrls er
sumthin... so how do u know how "your scene that u created" was doin?

> What they'll see is a buncha mostly white suburban kids (since
> they're the only ones that can afford going to the parties, the
> minorities don't make nearly enough money to even go to the
> parties...aside from the ones that are forced to deal drugs since
> they can't get a regular job),

damn the man.....

a few are on substances, but for the
> most part they're too scared to even talk to the opposite sex...so
> they front as wanna-be g's...thinking they're bad ass if they smoke
> a li'l weed or have a few pills...However, for the most part, they're
> dorks trying to acquire some social skills, but can't because the
> music is too loud and they can't hear each other talking...so they
> end up train spotting or watching circle dancers all night!!...pretty
> pathetic actually...they actually make more friends over the internet
> than in real life!!

speakin from personal experience?


uhm... yea.....i'm not normally that mean right?

Da Jungrrl
~*Those who hear not the music in their souls, think the dancers mad*~
http://jungrrl.tripod.com/enter.html
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In a message dated 8/5/00 1:27:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
jungrrl@hotmail.com writes:

<< much more accurate than Go and most other things... and uh... i don't think
 the limited release is makin as much as they could've if they'd just wanted
 to do a "rave" movie (or any other kind) just to make money... >>


The distrubuter decides how broadly to relaese a film.  A limited release is 
profit driven.  If they thought they could've made more with a nationwide 
rollout they would've.

-[r-o-B-[o]-FUCK] *

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I went to Crowbar to see that BT guy. My friend works for the music industry 
so that's how and why I got in. I must say the music was pretty good when BT 
was "playing live". But damn...therer was more muscle than brain there. The 
snobbishness and just stupity there was overwhelming. Croebar sucks and was 
thinking I'd rather be at the Metro. Seriously...the Metro (when there/s 
special events) has better people. Not as fucked up as the dumbfucks at 
Crowbar. Bleeech..what a fucked up night.

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jungrrl@hotmail.com writes:

<< uhm... yea.....i'm not normally that mean right?
 
 Da Jungrrl
 ~*Those who hear not the music in their souls, think the dancers mad*~
 http://jungrrl.tripod.com/enter.html
 AIM: Da Jungrrl or Jungrrl 221 >>

Bahahahaha!!...From the makers of Mahir: and in the Flesh, 
Rubberman.com, and Supergreg.com, it's Da Jungrrl!!...Hey 
Jungrrl, i like how you've been to two parties so far!!...And none 
of your pics work yet!!...Talk about super poser from Hell!!...
No wonder you have no idea who I am!!...In other words, kiddies
avoid Da Jungrrl like the plague that she is!!


"video killed the radio star..."

"damn the paparazzi, they killed princess di!!"


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LoL, i thought u went to see Stevie T dance!!

Q: How can you tell when you're dealin w/ a real raver as opposed
to another poser?

A: The posers are the ones standin there playin pocket pinball and
tryin to keep a simple rhythm with their heads bopping up and 
down...The real ones are the ones dancing circles around them!!

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Subject: RE: [mw] Now I realize why I went to raves in the first place.

ah, are you trying to say something?

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Subject: Re: [mw] Now I realize why I went to raves in the first place.


Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T 
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Subject: [mw] What I'm trying to say is...

This whole Stevie T thing.  


I don't know the drama... 

I live in Chicago and that's enuff drama...even for all the mommas. 

I'd rather talk about music. I like that one song this one DJ played.

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||is Stevie T 

A convincing argument for eugenics legislation.



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was it on a record?

was the label just white with something written on it and the vinyl black?

i think i have that one!  it is pretty good, isn't it?

i like the beat.  and some of the other stuff that you hear when you listen
to it.

oh, one time i saw a DJ play two copies at the same time.

I think the other record looked different though.  I can't be sure, they
were spinning around awful fast!



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Subject: [mw] What I'm trying to say is...

<snip>

 I like that one song this one DJ played.

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PHILFART@aol.com writes:

<< Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T Stevie T  >>

um, what?!

okee, here is a li'l webpage to help you spot
da posers...

http://hometown.aol.com/psykoticfemme/mullet.html

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Subject: [mw] Semiconscious Media - Video Releases and other

whats another word for pirate treasure...

Semiconscious Media 2000
strictly for the 'ardcore

just added to our release wall:

HUMAN TRAFFIC - The quintessential party film of the 90's.
THE ACID HOUSE - The uncut adaption of Irvine Welsh's novel of the same name.
CHINESE SUPERNINJAS - The Five Element ninjas represent in this Shaw Brothers 
Classic.
TRANSFORMERS : RETURN OF OPTIMUS PRIME - Who were you expecting, Megatron?
A MAN CALLED HERO - The sequel to the ever popular CGI infested epic 
Stormriders.
DOBERMANN - The gun toting no holds barred French film featuring lots of 
fucking bullets.

contact us via the website.  
http://beam.to/entro

new design soon including online store, video previews, new boxart, plots, 
and semiconscious film events.

also available:

SEMI001 - KID ENTROPY "SO FAR/PAN AM" 12 inch
SEMIX001 - OWLSERVICE 1 - KID ENTROPY VS. NATTY - OUT OF STOCK
SEMIX002 - OWLSERVICE 2 - KID ENTROPY VS. EYE-D

coming soon:

SEMI002 - IAN MORRISON VS. DJ TRON / KID ENTROPY 12 inch 9-10-00
SEMI003 - DJ HIDDEN, EYE-D, KID ENTROPY 12 inch 10-31-00
SEMIX003 - OWLSERVICE3 - KID ENTROPY VS. IAN MORRISON 9-??-00
SEMIX004 - DJ/MC KID ENTROPY "WHERE I'VE BEEN" MIXTAPE 10-??-00

entro

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this is my definition:

http://209.237.157.45/ram/62903.RAM

if I'm mistaken, please let me know..



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 ugh, this list is getting lame again
 
 here check dis...http://www.electralux.bla-bla.com
 
 it's my ex roomie's, opiey's site.
 
 here's the webcam pages...
 http://www.electralux.bla-bla.com/cam.html
 
 the first one is my other ex roommate, nicci
 
 And here's where they worked...
 http://www.electralux.blal-bla.com/cgstart.html
 
 i think they might be movin back in since nicci said
 she misses all the sex she had while she lived here!
 
 ...everyone must be porn again!!
 
 
 t 

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In a message dated 8/5/00 11:30:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<< i think they might be movin back in since nicci said
  she misses all the sex she had while she lived here!
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too bad none of it was you....you could only get their drunk 17 year old 
friend....

had too many talks with nicci
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OLeSkL writes:

<< too bad none of it was you....you could only get their 
drunk 17 year old friend....>>

Lol, dats cuz she wuz the only one worth
getting...she wuz the hottest of da bunch,
you should see her pics!

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DAMMIT!  Please stop responding to Stevie or I'm going to come to your
house and bludgeon you to death with a can of Old Style!

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From mw-raves-return-5179-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 06 05:24:24 2000
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haha, this list is so hilarious!

Stevie is like the only one that ever posts
anything worth reading!

and the only thing the lamers can do is try
and put him down!

how  pathetic!

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> Bahahahaha!!...From the makers of Mahir: and in the Flesh,
> Rubberman.com, and Supergreg.com, it's Da Jungrrl!!...Hey
> Jungrrl, i like how you've been to two parties so far!!...

Excuse me.... where the fuck does it say i've only been to two parties? u
mean cuz i only have pics from two parties? sorry i don't have a scanner and
don't carry my camera to document every step of my rave career for u....
fuck off


And none
> of your pics work yet!!...

because i reformatted my site and i haven't had time to fix the pics.... i
have a real life thank u... i don't just sit at my computer and type up fake
emails from my arsenal of idiotically named email accounts...

>Talk about super poser from Hell!!...

at least i don't have delusions of granduer....

> No wonder you have no idea who I am!!...

mebbie i have no idea who u are cuz ur a nobody... i mean... i've heard ur
self-indulging "history lessons" but i could give a shit less....

>In other words, kiddies
> avoid Da Jungrrl like the plague that she is!!

actually if i was a plague... that'd be kinda neat... :o) can i be bubonic?


alright... i'm done replying to stevie... promise... hell i'm goin back to
FL fri anywayz... to continue my career as a "wannabe raver" i guess.... not
like anyone here cares.. but whatever... if ur ever down there look a sista
up... me and my poser friends will show u a pawtee FL style :o)

Da Jungrrl
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Subject: [mw] Hey Jen "B-day girl" Sixtybus!!!

want a seabreeze???

mailing you a b-day pacifier
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From mw-raves-return-5182-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 06 11:57:29 2000
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But at least Chicago has the Lords of Acid at the Vic
tonight.  Tickets still available.   

The Good Cookie  :)


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i would like to clear a few things up pertaining to that night
in question...

1) that girl brought the case of beer
2) she came on to me several times during the night, by first
    flashing me her breasts and then kissing me 
3) she seduced me
4) i was passed out in my bed, when i awoke w/ her on me
5) she went down on me, she wanted to have sex, but i resisted
    because i felt she was too young (altho she looked much older)
6) she had just got out of boot camp, so i'm pretty sure it was
    a military set up.

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Secondcumin@aol.com wrote:

> i would like to clear a few things up pertaining to that night
> in question...
>
> 1) that girl brought the case of beer
> 2) she came on to me several times during the night, by first
>     flashing me her breasts and then kissing me
> 3) she seduced me
> 4) i was passed out in my bed, when i awoke w/ her on me
> 5) she went down on me, she wanted to have sex, but i resisted
>     because i felt she was too young (altho she looked much older)
> 6) she had just got out of boot camp, so i'm pretty sure it was
>     a military set up.

Hahahahha... a military setup!  ROTFLOL!!

Yes, the Illuminati is sending 16 year old drunken h0ez to
seduce you in order to rob you of your purity as the second
coming and prevent you from saving the world!

Just make sure they don't say 'fnord' during sex.



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Subject: [mw] The Ye$ festival

I just got back from this.  As to why I called it the
Ye$ festival, I'll let others who were more affected
explain more.  I'm sure the list will be flooded with
posts about it in the next 24 hours.  (I'm not just
talking about the door/food/etc. prices...)

Other than that it was ok.  I've never seen Skylab
2000 before.. they rocked.  This was the only real
outdoor/campout party I'd been to yet this year,
so I enjoyed getting out of the city for a little bit.

I hung out by the Subsonik tent most of the time with
all the other Cincy people, except when I was sleeping.
Unfortunately I was really tired all weekend.  :P

Over all a pretty good party, except for how expensive
it was and some of the shady shit that went down.
I've also never seen so much security before in my
life.  They had roadblocks up both entering and
leaving the event.  People were searched entering and
leaving, and anyone who turned around at seeing the
entering roadblock ended up being pulled over and
searched.  They had cops all over the place, especially
in the parking lot, and people were searched multiple
times.  Needless to say tons and tons of busts.  I never
had anything illegal, but I was kinda in awe of how
much security.  I had some allergy pills in the car that
could have been seen as looking vaguely like E's and I
ditched them on the way in before I got searched 4
times just to prevent being hassled.  (I didn't feel like
going to jail so they could test my benadryl.)  Wow.

I guess dem po-dunk town folks is on to us... Walter
Kronkite told dem all about dem ray-vers!

Supposedly however the cops confiscated more then
just drugs including pistols, tons of blades, and supposedly
a machine gun.  Why the hell would you bring a machine
gun to a party?  Shady mofos.  They were actually looking
for weapons as much as drugs, and supposedly they found
a lot.

Larger and outdoor parties especially tend to get a lot of
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ha, i know i'd never actually bring a machine gun to a party, but i can tell
you that there's been times that i wished one would magically appear in my
hands.

damn it all to hell,
-t

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<snip>
Supposedly however the cops confiscated more then
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Supposedly however the cops confiscated more then
just drugs including pistols, tons of blades, and supposedly
a machine gun.  Why the hell would you bring a machine
gun to a party?  

last year at Real Family (at the same space) we confiscated a 20" machete that had teflon tape on the handle of it, the fukkin thing was taped to the guy's leg too. He also had a butcher knife with the handle taped up the same way attached to his front side, we asked him what was up and he said he was grilling out...HAHAHAH

As far as the police go...I wasn't there this weekend but I'm fairly sure about why the beefed up security from the city/county. Last year after Real Family, there were several (and I'm talking at least 100) needles found even tho security at the gates were tight, there were too many fences to keep things from getting passed over. This and the poor girl getting ran over while she slept behind the car next to the stage were the biggest thing to happen in the town of Paoli for years. I was actually kinda shocked that the town council permitted this event to happen after everything that went down with the police after Real Family.

oh well..hope some people had fun
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ummm...this isnt true...

Brian has played here several times. I know you didn't write this yourself gabe so I'm not correcting you, just whoever is throwing the party

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api writes:

<< Hahahahha... a military setup!  ROTFLOL!!
 
 Yes, the Illuminati is sending 16 year old drunken h0ez to
 seduce you in order to rob you of your purity as the second
 coming and prevent you from saving the world!>>

actually she is 18, here's her profile that sites her squadron 
number...

Member Name:    MANDI, AMANDA, ULTIMATE LOVE GODDESS, 
WHICHEVER YOU PREFER
Marital Status: NOT REALLY LOOKING EITHER
Hobbies:    BEING LAZY, BUT I'M NOT FAT!
Occupation: USAR 391ST BN  /   SECRETARY
Personal Quote: "CRACK KILLS"

the military tie in is no big secret, it has to do with veterans 
who were disabled and were unable to get jobs, so they used 
their legal presription of cannibis to support themselves.

thus g13.

there are deeper connections, but i won't get into it.


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please *do* get into it, this is great stuff for the stevie t FAQ.

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there are deeper connections, but i won't get into it.


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||ha, i know i'd never actually bring a machine gun to a party, but i can tell
||you that there's been times that i wished one would magically appear in my
||hand

 Raves and sociopathic daydreams go hand-in-hand.. Rather than resorting to gunpowder.. Well..
Certain subaural bass frequencies have been shown to induce dizziness, vomiting, and even
catatonic states in a significant percentage of test subjects. Repeating bass sweeps that
encompass these particular tones on a large servo-driven system can create a milder sense of
discomfort in exceptionally receptive listeners. The additional psychological impact of plaster
raining from the ceiling could not be accurately measured.

 I'm no fan of the "Drug War", but thuggish gun-toting raverscum can rot in jail.. Maybe they
should have added "Field-stripping an AK-47" to their list of seminars??

 





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yeah....the yes fest was aiight. didnnt get there til 5am on saturday due
to some weird detour i took to pick up my friend abby in little rock. the
time at which we got there was strange because everyone had been talking
about the events that happened that we missed. but after being there a few
hours we settled in quite well. 

left the party at 2pm to go to my moms for a shower and dinner. came back
only to be pulled over on the way into the drive at the bottom of the
hill. the cop asked for my license and registration and dint bother at
first to tell me what itw as about. wrote me  a warning and told me that i
was driving left of center and that he piulled me over to see if i was
drunk. which i wasnt. at least not that that junccture in time. since he
looked through my car kinda he went ahead and escorted us past the big
roadblock where they were apparently draggin dogs through to sniff. mind
you that orange county is the poorest county in the state of indiana. (i
grew up in a county near there so ive been around there fora  while and
know that they are basically trying to somewhat raise money and keep their
city downtempo a bit. drugs are not cool with tehm at all. so therefore
the cops are looking to bust anyone they can because its a benefit to the
city. i heard that around 127 ravers were arrested and thatthe jail was
overfilled due to the influx of curtainpantsedpeoples.

but, anyhooooo there werent any cops in the party really. security was
abundant at the front gate but there was a lil bit of a lack sometimes in
the party. i saw a il bit of open usage which was annoying. lots of
trashacting kids. 

musicwise....i dug what i got to hear of trevor lamont's set. i liked the
onesource jungle pa. ming and fs played soem intresting tracks but
sometimes i wish they would have chilled a bit on the scratching. the
subsonik tekno area was goooooood =) 

what made the party for me was mostly the conversations i had with
people. met a few people here and there. caught up on things with people i
hadnt seen in a while. talked with friends about life. which made the trip
up there worthwhile. completely.

we hit the party up with our fresh off the press red flyers. got a lot of
good response from people. i'm way excited. =)

finally saw the furthur flyer =) mmmm user....yummay. too bad simms isnt
with him. but harvey will do* =)

well im out. im tired and i drove like a madwoman today.

lauryn

lauryn goller	
djema membership coordinator
lore productions
teknoho@konfused.net  -  lgoller@indiana.edu

"why do we wait on people to pity us, while finding beauty in the hideous?"
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anyone have the furthur flyer?  what 'r the odds that they could scan it and
send us all the URL to view it?

thanx,
-t

ps - i will be blaming subaural bass frequencies for any future anti-social
feelings...although they might be hard to explain at a Walmart.  But maybe
they're used to that or something.

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Subject: Re: [mw] The Ye$ festival

finally saw the furthur flyer =) mmmm user....yummay. too bad simms isnt
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 Date:  8/6/00 6:50:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:  rumblehumper@andythepooh.com (dave rumblehumper)
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 hoya,
 just felt like i had to share my experiences with the philly 
 cops:
 
 don't ever, ever go to philly looking like you're doing 
 something illegal.
 
 actually that goes for philly in general. took the greyhound 
down on sunday night, spent monday finding people i knew 
and vegan food, (which was much easier than in pitts. even 
not knowing the city), and getting legal representation in 
case i got arrested.  

 tuesday was much fun in the beginning, tho. probably every
body read about the "riots" tuesday, and let me clear that up 
now: there were probably 3000 protesters, and maybe 10 of 
them were trying to hurt anybody. maybe 100 (if that) were 
breaking shit or tagging or anything. it was not a riot. most 
of us were doing the ghandi thing, nonviolent, passive-
resistance, civil disobedience. and in response, the fucking 
pigs were more brutal to us than i've ever seen, including the 
rodney king videos and the like. about 30 people from pitts 
were there, and 24 of them got arrested. 1 of my friends got 
a misdemeanor charge, and $10,000 bail. 2 of my friends 
have been charged with assault and conspiracy (not sure of 
what kind) and have $100,000 bail. they were walking on the 
sidewalk. that's it. they did _nothing_, and they're fucked. 
they're getting beat in jail, not fed, hog-tied, tortured, all 
because they questioned the system loud enough for others 
to hear. 

 weds. was spent trying to find out where our friends were, 
and not get arrested. about 10 of us were sitting outside 
roundhouse (the jail where most everybody was being kept, 
except those still on paddy wagons from as much as 30 hrs. 
after their arrest), and we were surrounded by at least 40 
cops in riot gear. after that i was like, fuck this, i'm going 
home. so any republicans or cops that read this, fuck off. 
on a more positive note, ANFSCD kicked ass. throw more 
parties, pbs!!!
 
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lauryn g wrote:

> what made the party for me was mostly the conversations i had with
> people. met a few people here and there. caught up on things with people i
> hadnt seen in a while. talked with friends about life. which made the trip
> up there worthwhile. completely.

Yeah.. I had the exact same experience there.  That's what makes
long outdoor events nice.

I'm thinking that I might try to make it to Furthur this year.  I've
never been before.  I can't see completely my midwest raves
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In a message dated 8/6/00 9:33:13 PM !!!First Boot!!!, teknoho@konfused.net 
writes:

> i heard that around 127 ravers were arrested and thatthe jail was
>  overfilled due to the influx of curtainpantsedpeoples.
>  

One of the many sights to see at this event were parents coming 
to the party to get their son/daughter's camping gear b/c they had 
wondered off and gotten pulled over after settling in and found 
with various this and that's.

Seems like they had to put alot of the kids at the local library for
holding and they kids there started a "break circle."

Guess ravers can turn anything into a party.


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u sed:
<<please *do* get into it, this is great stuff for the stevie t FAQ.

-t>>

okee, here's a pic of her booty...

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From mw-raves-return-5202-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 03:43:41 2000
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awwwwww...

-t

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u sed:
<<please *do* get into it, this is great stuff for the stevie t FAQ.

-t>>

okee, here's a pic of her booty...

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From mw-raves-return-5203-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 04:24:53 2000
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Subject: [mw] Scribble Jam Info

Just wanted to remind any of you people that were thinking about coming down to Cincy for Scribble Jam, it is this coming weekend August 11-13 with the welcome party being at Top Cats on Friday nite, the DJ, Mc, B-Boy, and Graff art competitions being Saturday at The Ritz, and the B-Boy picnic at Burnett Woods all day on Sunday. If you need info or directions or any more info, check out www.scribblemagazine.com  and go to the scribble jam link....or just email me if you want and I can probably help you with directions and/or the best place to stay..

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if anyone is stopping through or leaving from milwaukee for this, i'd like
to tag along.  have no $$ to spare for your gas expense, but i'll love you
long time.

and who knows... maybe i can make some money that way while we're down
there, and we can buy a pack of gum to share on the ride back.  :P

write me back all private-like if it sounds like a deal.

chad

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:

+Just wanted to remind any of you people that were thinking about coming
+down to Cincy for Scribble Jam, it is this coming weekend August 11-13
+with the welcome party being at Top Cats on Friday nite, the DJ, Mc,
+B-Boy, and Graff art competitions being Saturday at The Ritz, and the
+B-Boy picnic at Burnett Woods all day on Sunday. If you need info or
+directions or any more info, check out www.scribblemagazine.com and go
+to the scribble jam link....or just email me if you want and I can
+probably help you with directions and/or the best place to stay..
+
+shawne
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> delta 9 - delta 9 sucks spinkters - uc
> 
Delta9 selling his own record?

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From mw-raves-return-5206-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 05:32:51 2000
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--- PhysixRecords@aol.com wrote:
> Just added to the already impressive line up of 
> Barbara Tucker, Huggy (UK), Red Commi Bastard
> (Russia via Knoxville), and the East Coast Invasion,
> PhysixRecords and House of Babylon Broductions 
> are PROUD to announce the addition of 
> 
> B A B Y    A N N E 

Holy shit!!!

YEEEEESSSSSSS!


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In a message dated 8/6/00 8:36:47 PM Central Daylight Time, djgruve@home.net 
writes:

<< delta 9 - delta 9 sucks spinkters - uc >>

When did this come out? Bwhahahaaaa!! 

I like the new Delta 9 CD...


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Subject: [mw] Dayton, OH  -  Activ8  -  Wed., August 9th

Just wanted to let everyone know about our lineup for AcTiV8 this week in 
Dayton.  Doors open at 9pm, and the cover is free for everyone 21+  ($2 for 
16 - 20).

* Green Tara (Denny's Creature) - Acid Trance - Dayton
* Statler v. Waldorf  -  Downtempo & Techno  -  Dayton
* DJ Spahn (Subsonik/Gravity Bass) - Drum n' Bass - Columbus
* Jeremiah (Subsonik/Gravity Bass/Distorted Grooves) - Deep House - Columbus
* DJ Soniq Stylz (Denny's Creature/World DJ Alliance) - House, Funky Breaks - 
Dayton

The venue is Mother Rucker's in Dayton... the info line is 937.866.6699.   
Any DJ's looking to get booked for future dates should call Tara at 
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From mw-raves-return-5209-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 07:54:20 2000
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Subject: [mw] Re: {pb-cle} Dayton, OH  -  Activ8  -  Wed., August 9th (Corrected Version)

Lemme try this again....
<< Just wanted to let everyone know about our lineup for AcTiV8 this week in 
 Dayton.  Doors open at 9pm, and the cover is free for everyone 21+  ($2 for 
 16 - 20).
 
 * Green Tara (Denny's Creature) - Acid Trance - Dayton
 * Statler v. Waldorf  -  Downtempo & Techno  -  Dayton
 * DJ Spahn (Subsonik/Gravity Bass) - Drum n' Bass - Cincinnati
 * Jeremiah (Subsonik/Gravity Bass/Distorted Grooves) - Deep House - 
Cincinnati
 * DJ Soniq Stylz (Denny's Creature/World DJ Alliance) - House, Funky Breaks 
- 
 Dayton
 
 The venue is Mother Rucker's in Dayton... the info line is 937.866.6699.   
 Any DJ's looking to get booked for future dates should call Tara at 
 937.866.8534.  For other info, future dates, and directions, click over to 
 http://www.worlddjalliance.com/dcp >>

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Subject: Re: [mw] The Ye$ festival

&#61623; Dayum, this party was off tha hook! This is the first campout part=
y
I have been to this summer and I was definitely impressed.  The laser show
was one of the most impressive I have ever seen. =20

Aside from getting there a day late and missing bad boy bill, the line up
was great too.  There was one DJ who I wanted to throw tomatoes at.  I have
no idea who he was, but I do know that he was spinning during the glow stic=
k
competition.  Please save your flames if you liked this dude, for it is jus=
t
my opinion, but thank god they didn=92t have a produce stand there, cuz dud=
e
would=92ve been hurting=85

As for the location, what the fuck do those people who live there do for
fun?! Paoli is out in the middle of nowhere=85Poor Paoli people. =20

As far as the slip-n-slide=85Those people were nuts! This one fat chick wit=
h
poopie titties decides to take off her shirt and bra and go down it=85Needl=
ess
to say, I took her picture and will be seeing her soon on
www.uglypeople.com. =20

Overall, this party was a great time and totally changed my opinion on the
Indiana scene. Werd.

Rave on,

Miztie



On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 16:39:13 EDT, OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:

>  Supposedly however the cops confiscated more then
>  just drugs including pistols, tons of blades, and supposedly
>  a machine gun.  Why the hell would you bring a machine
>  gun to a party? =20
> =20
>  last year at Real Family (at the same space) we confiscated a 20" machet=
e
that had teflon tape on the handle of it, the fukkin thing was taped to the
guy's leg too. He also had a butcher knife with the handle taped up the sam=
e
way attached to his front side, we asked him what was up and he said he was
grilling out...HAHAHAH
> =20
>  As far as the police go...I wasn't there this weekend but I'm fairly sur=
e
about why the beefed up security from the city/county. Last year after Real
Family, there were several (and I'm talking at least 100) needles found eve=
n
tho security at the gates were tight, there were too many fences to keep
things from getting passed over. This and the poor girl getting ran over
while she slept behind the car next to the stage were the biggest thing to
happen in the town of Paoli for years. I was actually kinda shocked that th=
e
town council permitted this event to happen after everything that went down
with the police after Real Family.
> =20
>  oh well..hope some people had fun
>  shawne
> =20
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> =20


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Subject: [mw] stevie t does spam?!


So I arrived at work this morning to find the most amusing piece of spam 
mail ever.... All that talk of "latter day robber-barons" conspiring to keep 
the common man from getting ahead by passing anti-spam legislation...  sound 
vaguely familiar? oh and don't forget the "unholy alliance with vix.com!"

what a deal too!  only $1.99 to cast your vote for or against spam!

chris

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Hi,
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     Commercial E-mail is a very efficient, cost effective means
of informing people about new goods and services. This translates
into substantial savings to the consumer. That the vast majority
of internet users don't mind Spam and want to hear about new
goods and services.
     That for Years now, more advanced bulk mailing software
has allowed bulk mailers to shoulder the full cost of Spamming.
This cost has increased and access has become much more difficult
due to unfair and illegal practices by the big providers (the
later day Robber Barons) Who have a vested interest in keeping
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decide whether they will put it in your mail box or not. Would
you put up with that?)  They call it filtering, we know it by
its more insidious name, CENSORSHIP.

Why in the world should you be subjected to this, and have to pay
higher prices !



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     Anti Spam arguments go something like this:
They don't seem to like it.







Have a different opinion, give us a call because, your
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From mw-raves-return-5212-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 13:25:07 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] What I'm trying to say is...

>I'd rather talk about music. I like that one song this one DJ played.
>

ya mean the one that went "boom booom boom cha cha tap tap tap boom boom" 
?????

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From mw-raves-return-5213-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 14:14:10 2000
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No... I like the track where it goes: La la la la la lal lal la lal la lala lal lal ala boom boppity bop!!

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From mw-raves-return-5214-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 14:17:34 2000
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Subject: [mw] Even Further lineup

could someone please please post it?...

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Subject: Re: [mw] Even Further lineup



check www.dropbass.net or call the voicemail (414.454.9836) for the latest
updates

if it ain't there (or posted here by jethrox)...it ain't public.


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Subject: [mw] Even Further lineup


> could someone please please post it?...
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From mw-raves-return-5216-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 14:42:49 2000
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>check www.dropbass.net or call the voicemail (414.454.9836) for the latest
updates
>if it ain't there (or posted here by jethrox)...it ain't public.

no, the flyers are already out... i just haven't seen them yet.  and it's
not posted anywhere on the net (or i haven't been able to find it). the
infoline lists funk'd void, richard harvey, slam, scott hardkiss as some of
the headliners, but gives no full lineup. probably because there will be
about 18 DIY systems...


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chrisege@hotmail.com writes:

<< So I arrived at work this morning to find the most amusing piece of spam 
 mail ever.... All that talk of "latter day robber-barons" conspiring to keep 
 the common man from getting ahead by passing anti-spam legislation...  sound 
 vaguely familiar? oh and don't forget the "unholy alliance with vix.com!"
 
 what a deal too!  only $1.99 to cast your vote for or against spam! 

------ large waste of bandwidth deleted! ----->>

wtf?!...the latest posts have been about my last piece o ass!!...
and i fwd'ed something from pb-cle concerning the protest 
against the republicans @ philly...you've got a severe reading
disorder!!...i've never spammed!...my ex roommates's web sites 
are free!!...even the porn section is free!!

you are the one spamming since you are obviously asking for 
money!!

hypocritcal greedy phony!!

ignore all further exploits from chris the egg head!!

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Technosaurus 7
Louisville KY
November 25, 2000


Confirmed DJ's (08/07/00)

Paul Johnson

Frankie Bones

Wilhelm K

Soren

Tigger

Chaos

Dj Booth


* More Talent To Be Announced Soon   Upon Confirmation!!!!!!!!! *

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><STRONG>November 25, 2000</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D4><STRONG>Wilhelm K</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D4><STRONG>Soren</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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From mw-raves-return-5219-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 14:47:08 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] What I'm trying to say is...

oh !!!
i dont listen to happy hardcore
sorry
;-)

-THE bitch iySyS-


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>Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:13:18 EDT
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>No... I like the track where it goes: La la la la la lal lal la lal la lala 
>lal lal ala boom boppity bop!!

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Subject: [mw] BIG PUSSY !!!!

http://www.heff.net/cgi-dir/picture_frame.pl?bigpussy.jpg


-THE bitch iySyS-

Technos not dead, its just really FUCKING TIRED !!!!!!!
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Technosaurus 7
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November 25, 2000


Confirmed DJ's (08/07/00)

Paul Johnson

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Wilhelm K

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From mw-raves-return-5222-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 14:58:31 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] re: who the hell is stevie t?

rtieman@yahoo.com writes:

<< i do hope we get another look at her booty >>

okee, check here...

http://electralux.bla-bla.com/cgstart.html

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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: an accurate portrayal

things gettin nasty, nasty in this thread -no?

gotta tell bout dis site i found on da weekend.

they be hostin an online rave at www.safehouselive.com 

i think they got some webcams set up in different rooms at rave.


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From mw-raves-return-5224-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 15:21:19 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] The Ye$ festival

so the official count on number of people arrested due to the roadblocks
was over 280 (right around that number). my uncle lives close to there and
had a newspaper which had an article about it and it talked about how the
paoli sheriffs department did not want "that kind of thing" going on
anymore. well if you are told that there are roadblocks and you decide to
be dumb and drive through there anyway with shit on you, you deserve to be
arrested. how big of an idiot can you be really? 

like i said, the county is really poor so they were probably just taking
up on a good opportunity to make money. they were just doing their job as
cops. if you want to be stupid and drive through a roadblock with shit on
you, dont be all shocked bout going to jail. duh. they probably made agood
$60,000 if not more than that. which is probably more than they make for
the rest of the year altogether. 

lauryn goller	
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lore productions
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From mw-raves-return-5225-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 15:32:36 2000
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Subject: [mw] yes.

so far everything i've heard about the yes festival is
just how many people were arrested. is there anyone
who could actually write a review or something? or
were you people all standing on the highway and
counting arrested fucked up ravers? :)
I'd like to find out how the party went, how many
people showed up, etc. Just you know...those silly
rave related issues =)

Misha

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>so far everything i've heard about the yes festival is
>just how many people were arrested. is there anyone
>who could actually write a review or something? or
>were you people all standing on the highway and
>counting arrested fucked up ravers? :)
>I'd like to find out how the party went, how many
>people showed up, etc. Just you know...those silly
>rave related issues =)

i heard a lot of people were arrested.
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...a fix of mw-raves silliness today.  its been a pretty crappy monday so
far.

thanks,
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From mw-raves-return-5228-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 15:52:56 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] yes.


> so far everything i've heard about the yes festival is
> just how many people were arrested. is there anyone
> who could actually write a review or something? or
> were you people all standing on the highway and
> counting arrested fucked up ravers? :)
> I'd like to find out how the party went, how many
> people showed up, etc. Just you know...those silly
> rave related issues =)

well, the party was fun. the music was off and on...

skylab was good, played fairly hard stuff.
ming and FS sucked. they cannot even mix two records together.
onesource was okay, but not all too exciting.
bbb and "humpty"-dickhead sucked as always.
larry tee openmed with some dope ass electro, and was interesting the whole
way thru.
i had a damn good time playing 1:45 worth of electro cause DJ GRUVE DID NOT
SHOW. i did almost run out of records...slater saved my ass from having to
start singing... thanks slater!

best performance was from DJ D-Phine on saturday morning...it was the ONLY
time i felt the VIBE. and i was about 200-300 yards away...the kids went
crazy for his breaks and scratching...watch this kid...he is
unbelieveable...

but all this fun had a bit of a turn-around when i saw someone OD on GHB
less then 10ft from our booth around 9 AM Sunday. After i gave his friends
some mt. dew to force down his throat (to try and get some sugar in his
stomach to suspend the GHB) I ran and tried to get security to help us, but
they were lame. i got some other security people, and JJ called 911. the
paramedics came, buit the kid was already spasming and had no control over
his body. when they arrived, he was revived once, but i THINK (and i had
backed away at this point) that he was not revived further. he may have been
revived at a medical facility or elsewhere; i am searching out this
information as we speak. but the paramedics did not even turn on their
sirens or haul ass out of there. i don't know what happened past then.

if anyone has any information on this, please do let me know...


bom shankar!
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i heard members of yes were also a no show.  Can anyone confirm this???

entro
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Subject: {pb-cle} NRR: Stop the war on privacy!

Please sign this petition, and save your online privacy!
http://www.stopcarnivore.org

>From the ACLU:
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, July 24, 2000

WASHINGTON -- Testifying about the new "Carnivore" wiretapping system, the
American Civil Liberties Union today told a House committee that the Federal
Bureau of Investigation is engaged in an "unprecedented" power grab that
threatens the privacy of all Americans.

"Never before has the FBI insisted that it has the authority to capture all
of the communications passing through a network," said ACLU Associate
Director Barry Steinhardt. "Never before has a law enforcement agency asked
for this kind of power based on an unsupervised promise that it will not
stray beyond the confines of its authority."

In testimony before the House Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on the
Constitution, Steinhardt urged Congress to reject the FBI's reasoning and
adopt legislation that would uphold the Fourth Amendment's protection
against unwarranted searches. Steinhardt said that the FBI's recent
dog-and-pony shows with lawmakers and the media to demonstrate the
technology behind Carnivore have not addressed concerns that the system
includes no oversight of the information the FBI is capturing.

"If you accept the FBI's arguments in favor of Carnivore," he said, "you
reject the Fourth Amendment, which is built on the premise that law
enforcement cannot be trusted with carte blanche authority when it conducts
a search."

According to the FBI, the Carnivore system -- essentially a computer running
specialized software -- is attached to an Internet Service Provider's
network and searches through all of its customers' electronic messages
(including email, web addresses and instant messages) looking for the
messages of a person suspected of a crime.

The new system comes at a time of record wiretapping by federal law
enforcement. In the last reporting period, Steinhardt said, the Clinton
Administration conducted more wiretaps in one year than had ever been
conducted before.

"Congress must send a clear message to the FBI," Steinhardt said. "Under no
circumstances must it be allowed to engage in such a mass invasion of the
privacy of law-abiding Americans."




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Subject: [mw] yes in concert

i went to a yes concert friday night!!!!!!!!!


Kidentropy@aol.com writes:

<< i heard members of yes were also a no show.  Can anyone confirm this???
 
 entro
 elp, elo, omd. >>


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Subject: Re: [mw] review of yes fest.


>i heard members of yes were also a no show.  Can anyone confirm this???

yeah, I heard that too... but this dude i know said they booked styx  as a 
replacement act, so it's all good.

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Subject: Re: [mw] review of yes fest.

styx and reo speed wagon or going to be in cincy at riverbend sometime soon. 
you can get presale at www.oldwasheduptryingtomakemoremoney.com

chrisege@hotmail.com writes:

<< >i heard members of yes were also a no show.  Can anyone confirm this???
 
 yeah, I heard that too... but this dude i know said they booked styx  as a 
 replacement act, so it's all good.
 
 chris
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From mw-raves-return-5234-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 07 16:49:32 2000
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From: varsha <varsha@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: [mw] yes. UPDATE!! & Good news...


> but all this fun had a bit of a turn-around when i saw someone OD on GHB
> less then 10ft from our booth around 9 AM Sunday. After i gave his friends
> some mt. dew to force down his throat (to try and get some sugar in his
> stomach to suspend the GHB) I ran and tried to get security to help us, but
> they were lame. i got some other security people, and JJ called 911. the
> paramedics came, buit the kid was already spasming and had no control over
> his body. when they arrived, he was revived once, but i THINK (and i had
> backed away at this point) that he was not revived further. he may have been
> revived at a medical facility or elsewhere; i am searching out this
> information as we speak. but the paramedics did not even turn on their
> sirens or haul ass out of there. i don't know what happened past then.
> 
> if anyone has any information on this, please do let me know...

Well, i'll do my own update on this kid. he was revived in the ambulance,
and he is alive and in a bloomington hospital.

thank god.

don't do GHB. i see it, i'll have you arrested.

--varsha

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Subject: [mw] my fukked up weekend @ the ye$ fest

soooo...strange way to spend a weekend...

my car decided to take a shit and die about 10 minutes away from paoli.  alternator or something is fukkin DEAD...i just happen to stop at a convenience store and BEHOLD! jason beatty is grabbin sodas or some shit.  his car is full, so he heads up to Paoli and talks to Dennis who sends my boy Gizzmo to pick us up (my boy left Ming & FS turtablism for moi...whatta guy).

we get there just in time for me to hop on the Subsonik renegade system (who by the way were evidently harassed by the event staff just cuz they tried to sell water to recoup their costs on the system...nice one...very PLURRY of you all...and you know who you are).  very fun, very cool atmosphere.

spent the rest of the evening tracking down people with AAA to try and get my car towed.  several people tried AAA, but they were being dicks to everyone until Roger (Nostalgic) called them with his supermegaPlusAAA.  so he helpes us get the cartowed to Indy, but we still had to find a ride.  Rhiannon (Sista Jade) kindly offered to take us home, but we wanted to at least have some fun so our whole experience wasn't just dealing with trauma, so we stayed.

we were told we had a ride, by a friend of a friend, but this guy turned out to be some wasted redneck asshole who was so fukked up he ended up splayed across his car hood.  i offered to drive his car (i was SOBER), but he was adamant that NO ONE drives his car.  fuck him.  our friend mike hooked up a ride with his friend Dominick, and we got our asses home around 1 PM.  

notables at the party:  trevor lamont's beuatiful morning set, complete with some beautiful breaks that had my grrlfriend freakin' on the dance floor (ummm...mud n grass pit, i mean)...

the subsonik tent.  nice guys, great musik (lots of techno). loved it.

my grrlie bringing me a bratwurst while i was playing on sunday morning.

the best thing was the much-needed reminder that there are some good people out there.  most of the people we talked to tried their best to help us out in a pretty fucked up situation. big thanks to:  jason beatty, dennis stansbury, ben "gizzmo" newburn, roger (Nostalgic), randy (react) or subsonik, adam of subsonik, mike, dominick, and everyone who tried to help us.  thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou...

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This weekend I got to drive by the home of Dr. Righteous (a member of
Styx) which is just blocks away from Hellige's parents' house.

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<< yeah, I heard that too... but this dude i know said they booked styx as a replacement act, so it's all good.

 chris >>

man thats what really fucking gets me.  They're always booking locals to make up for the real out of state talent.  I mean, last year when we went to see Hawkwind, and we were totally stoked for a killer time.  and the lights went down, and lo and fucking behold... goddamn chip z'nuff walks out on stage for an acoustic set... and the thing that got me was... I looked around... and everybody was groovin'... like they didn't fucking know what the fuck just went down.  I wrote an email to the promoter, Gordy Levanthal and Pure Power Productions, and i never got an apology or a refund from ticketmaster.  Fucking chump... I saw him chilling the whole show in the back of the Thirsty Whale, with a couple of coke whores hanging on his shoulders.  I've tried to be cool with him in the past ya know... I gave him a black and white copy of our zine "Rock Alive," and he totally was like nodding with me every step of the way... and then I turned around thinking everything was stellar... and!
 later I saw him using my mag as a beer coaster... fucking bunk.

to quote Loverboy "Everybody's working for the weekend..." and I spend my hard earned money to rock out in the name of rock and roll... some day someone is gonna rise up against the oppression of the man... and throw a festival that caters to our kind... the rebels of the glam underground... Vinnie Vincent will be there... Trixter... Foghat... Bad Company... you name it... and we'll have all the free bud we can stomach...

until then...

see you at the mall.

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Subject: Re: [mw] The Ye$ festival

In a message dated 8/7/00 1:09:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!, x_Misty_x@excite.com 
writes:

> There was one DJ who I wanted to throw tomatoes at.  I have
>  no idea who he was, but I do know that he was spinning during the glow 
stick
>  competition. 


Why?

Was it the music?  Or the actual spinning?

The reason I ask was because during the glowstick contest, BenMan was
singing and MCing, but he was doing so over someone else's mix Cd, b/c
that second stage wasn't set up for turntables yet.


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 Friday afternoon I tried out my friend Javier's new restaurant on Court St - turns out he was
just the head chef of Viva on Main, and quit to open up his very own spot.. Being transplanted
from the Southwest, for me to find good Mexican food in Cincinnati amongst all the
California-style "wraps" abominations is quite a treat. Spent the rest of the evening working on a
buzz, doing some laundry and kicking it online until the 3rd roomate got home. The 3 of us
continued our Icewind Dale campaign until the wee hours..
 I woke up Saturday around 11, went shopping, came home and cooked breakfast then did the dishes &
picked up around the house a bit.. Spent the rest of the afternoon listening to Herbie Hancock's
"Maiden Voyage" and napping in a big puddle of Sun under the skylights.. Had an intense game of
Counterstrike with some of the LAN-partying ChiMayhem guys:
 http://www.chimayhem.com/news/pr000806_lanparty.htm
If you're into Cstrike, this server kicks ass. Look at the photo - that kid Matt is Darien's 10-yr
old son. He smokes us all on the regular. If you're not, it's great firearms training for Furthur.
"Short, controlled bursts." ;p
 Worked on songs, then made some calls and walked up to my friend's new apartment for some Kung-Fu
theater.. Samo Hung's "Spooky Encounters". Lots of strange Chinese voodoo.. Joey's Deli is right
across the street from him, and has the best import beer selection I've found in Clifton. We went
with the Young's Luxury Chocolate Stout. Rich & potent.. Mm; luxury indeed with some Kalamata
olives and grape leaves.. He played me some new jungle tracks he was working on before we left -
he's using an EPS 16, Reality with a Midi mixer, a Novation Drumstation and a Juno 60. The result
was severely diced-up sampled breaks with little techie stabs and lots of Juno bass.. An impromptu
jam session broke out and then I stumbled home to bed.
 Yesterday was a marathon session of Icewind Dale, (beats the hell out of Diablo2) and some tasty
veggie lasagna from Carol's on Main. I also read quite a bit. Listened to new releases online, and
even found a few worth ordering:

 Justin Berkovi "Sustained Buxom Mad Chips" Harthouse :: synth-y kinda dated-sounding techno.
  http://209.237.157.45/ram/63253.RAM
 Robert Hood "Red Passions 3" Duet :: Shuffling tech-house much like his "Hoodlum" double on
Drama.
  http://209.237.157.45/ram/63599.RAM
 Eight Miles High "Chamber Music" Klang :: Techno, minimal. My favorite of the bunch.
  http://209.237.157.45/ram/63165.RAM
 Dreg(Steve Rachmad) "Glow in Dark" Contacted :: Growling synths, also dated sounding.
  http://209.237.157.45/ram/61841.RAM
 Datch'I'Mogwai "This is my EP" Caipirinha :: Experimental noisy stuffs.. Something vocal
sounding?
  http://209.237.157.45/ram/63057.RAM
 
I figured that was enough money for Satellite from me. Highlights of Ye$-fest for me was reading
all the emails, and making machinegun jokes all day..
 



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Subject: [mw] Just 4 More Days Until your REBIRTH!

REBIRTH OF THE FLESH
The Pajama Jama Jam pt2

Indianapolis, Indiana
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Subject: [mw] sun festival 2000 review

WOW...WOW...WOW...sun fest rocked my world...every so often i go to a party 
that reminds me why i put up with all the bullshit and drama and still go to 
parties...sun fest was one of those experiences...most of my review is going 
to cover KC's own OMC and Action ttent/stage because that is where i spent 
most of my time...however...onto the other stages first...

DRC...a good set...got the kids moving...she started hard and dark and then 
kinda wussed out...but for the most part it was a fine set...

DJ Sadist...the highlight of my night...i had no idea there were any 
hardcore dj's on the lineup ...i happen to hear someone say...i play after 
this hardcore dj....I ran to that stage...pumped my fist and threw up the 
sign of the devil...ahhh hardcore...

the jungle tent kept things goin all night...method-1 fuckin rocked... all 
the other dj's were good altho i knew no names...

caught part of joey m's set cause everywhere else in the party seemed to 
have lost their penises and were playing trance...joeys harder house vibe 
kept me shakin dat ass...

KC tent...ROCK AND ROLL HOOCHIE COO...kc represented well...at least the 
house and jungle of kc were represented...not necessarilly a bad thing. many 
many times i walked around to the other stages to check out the music and 
was always drawn back because we had the best tallent of all 8 stages...

Tony Markhum...dayum...it had been a while since i had heard tony and he 
tore shit UP...the crowed was huge and everybody was movin...

Travis T and Henry Navarro...never have i seen a crowed this hyped up to get 
cd's of the dj until then....they wore lab coats, masks, threw out glow 
sticks, and glow in the dark toys...the crowd was way into it and it was a 
great phenom to watch...

hason hackler...hip hop and jungle that had me movin and groovin.... another 
very nice set...

dave brock...trance...whoopty doo...until the girl started dancing on the 
speakers and flashing the crowd and us....WHOOO.....i walked up to dave at 
some point during his set while she was shakin her ass and said....don't get 
too distracted...dave said...i won't...but you know...thats the best looking 
metranome i've played to in a long time...

other dj's played but i was out and about checking out other stages and even 
catching a short nap...

i have yet to be disapointed by a denver party...i urge you to go if you 
have a chance...and if ya do...lemme know...i'm sure i'd love to go with ya.

peace
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Subject: Re: [mw] The Ye$ festival

Again, please do not take offence if this is your friend or if you are a
fan, however, I felt that it was, quite honestly his voice that turned
myself along with my crew away from that stage.  Since it was just a mix
tape in the background, I cannot say that I liked or disliked his set
because I didn=92t actually hear it.  It was just his voice that turned me
away from that particular stage=85

Again, just MOHO=85

Miztie

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On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 15:01:28 EDT, HouseBabylon@aol.com wrote:

>  In a message dated 8/7/00 1:09:39 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
x_Misty_x@excite.com=20
>  writes:
> =20
>  > There was one DJ who I wanted to throw tomatoes at.  I have
>  >  no idea who he was, but I do know that he was spinning during the glo=
w

>  stick
>  >  competition.=20
> =20
> =20
>  Why?
> =20
>  Was it the music?  Or the actual spinning?
> =20
>  The reason I ask was because during the glowstick contest, BenMan was
>  singing and MCing, but he was doing so over someone else's mix Cd, b/c
>  that second stage wasn't set up for turntables yet.
> =20
> =20
>  -Chocolate


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Subject: [mw] yes yes yes and even further and next weekend...

Over all a pretty cool weekend.
Mine and Lauryn's flyers for RED Aug 26th came out this weekend. Lots of good 
responses from people. I was actually surprised at how many people knew who 
Oliver Ho is. Awesome.
Music wise, thank God I missed badboybillie's set...that would have made me 
in a foul mood.
The subsonik tent was where it was at. 
Thanks Randy! I would not have been able to survive w/out your lil area. I 
didn't know Shiva was playing on Sat, so that really made my night.
The venue: Amazing.. except sitting on that damn ski lift made me nauseous... 
I swear it was gonna start moving down the peaks.

Even Further: I expected a lot more... go figure. USER will be awesome. Hope 
he's not playing Sunday night so I can go to the plus8 party in det.
Damn.. I hope Dica is not playing sunday night either.. maybe he'll smack my 
ass again.  hahahh

Next weekend:  Marco Carola is playing Motor on Friday.. whos going? 
yummay!

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>The reason I ask was because during the glowstick contest, BenMan was
>singing and MCing, but he was doing so over someone else's mix Cd, b/c
>that second stage wasn't set up for turntables yet.

well I wasn't there, but I'd venture a guess that it was probably the 
annoying benman antics.
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Minor correction: It's a graffiti "Expo", not a battle - so leave the beef at home.. ;p And your
paint, too, unless you already have a spot reserved. Some of the top writers and crews in the US
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In a message dated 8/7/00 2:49:28 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
doris@konfused.net writes:

<< wasn't that cancelled? >>

was it?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? :(   :(

:(    :(   doris, you betta be lyin!

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||Next weekend:  Marco Carola is playing Motor on Friday.. whos going? yummay!

Marco *who*? Rob Hood is playing there Saturday. ;p



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||glowstick contest

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Subject: [mw] Activ8 update for August 9th

We have *just* added another set for this wednesday, so the new lineup looks 
like this:

* Green Tara - Acid Trance/NRG - Dayton
* DJ Soniq Stylz - Hard House/Freestyle Breaks - Dayton
* Statler v. Waldorf - Hardcore/Techno (Tag Team Set) - Dayton
* DJ Spahn - Drum n' Bass - Cincinnati
* Jeremiah - Deep House - Cincinnati

The venue is Mother Rucker's in Dayton.   Cover again is free for 21+, and $2 
for 16 - 20 (must have valid ID).  For info or directions, call 937.866.6699, 
or click over to http://www.worlddjalliance.com/dcp.  Music starts at 9..  
doors open shortly before.

Thanks Tara....  you know what I mean... lol

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> Even Further: I expected a lot more... go figure. USER will be awesome. Hope 
> he's not playing Sunday night so I can go to the plus8 party in det.

wasn't that cancelled?



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and i must say im super fuckin excited about being a spectator at this 
particular event !!!
woo hoo !!! i have been wanting to go to scribble jam for years and never 
gotten around to it, guess i will this time

-THE bitch iySyS-



>From: Ted Weinberg <te_one@yahoo.com>
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>at home.. ;p And your
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Subject: Re: [mw] yes yes yes and even further and next weekend...


>Even Further: I expected a lot more... go figure. USER will be awesome. 
>Hope
>he's not playing Sunday night so I can go to the plus8 party in det.
>Damn.. I hope Dica is not playing sunday night either.. maybe he'll smack 
>my
>ass again.  hahahh

not gonna be a problem there lorie....  from our minds to yours is 
postponed.  Supposedly till november.  It's not on rich's calendar anymore 
so i guess that's verification enough.

so you can rock the furthur all weekend!

chris

ps - someone post the whole damn lineup!
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Who said it was a happy hardcore track..hell no! I think it's by that one DJ in a wheelchair. It sounds like the Price is Right.

Then there's a track by some guy who might be from Detroit, but lives in Chicago...but never plays Chicago. It's a track that goes: Pearnear pearnear near near near!!Pearnear pearnear near near near!!It's old I think...

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Subject: [mw] aw yea.

i own an oliver ho record.
i am leet like you.



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give me jeff mills for $200 phil...

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
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> Then there's a track by some guy who might be from Detroit, but lives in
Chicago...but never plays Chicago. It's a track that goes: Pearnear pearnear
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As soon as local convenience stores run out of toilet
paper to sell, I will make sure to contact you about
that t-shirt.




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> << i own an oliver ho record.
>  i am leet like you. >>
> 
> 
> Misha... One day... you WILL.. ask for a
> "fucktrance" shirt.
> I know it.
> Just know.
> =P
> lor


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MiZtie wrote:

> &#61623; Dayum, this party was off tha hook! This is the first campout party
> I have been to this summer and I was definitely impressed.  The laser show
> was one of the most impressive I have ever seen.

Ahh.. that laser had nothing on the one at Dreamfest last year.
You could have shot down planes with that thing.



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On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Adam Ierymenko wrote:

+Ahh.. that laser had nothing on the one at Dreamfest last year.
+You could have shot down planes with that thing.

watch your mouth.

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In a message dated 8/7/00 2:55:18 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< Marco *who*? Rob Hood is playing there Saturday. ;p
 
 
 
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Ted...  go to the motor site.. click on his pic.. and just admire how sexay 
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Carola that is =)


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don't shoot me..


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> i've heard that the party was postponed until the third week in november
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> because he will be performing there over labor day weekend with mills,
> bukem, acquaviva and bt(wtf) among others.
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> kyle
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<< don't shoot me.. >>


I won't.. cuz I allready posted this about 3 hrs ago ... and it hasnt gone 
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it went from your mind to his.

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:

+In a message dated 8/7/00 4:43:41 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
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> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Adam Ierymenko wrote:
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> +You could have shot down planes with that thing.
>
> watch your mouth.

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Subject: [mw] about the YE$ fest

First off, we had a blast, thanks to ourselves, our friends and all the new 
friends we made through out the weekend.

This was one of those parties where we had so much fun because we refused to 
have it any other way.

As for the party, we all know the line-up was weak for a three day event. 
Drum & Bass was hardly represented and mostly regional talent was featured. 
I'm not saying there wasn't a lot of good music, but take a look at Unity, 
or some of the past Family Affair line-up's and you'll see what I mean. They 
were saying it would be "the party of the year." We'll then, to them I say 
pull you head out of your ass and check out Further.

I caught Alexi Delano and he rocked as always. Most of the other time I had 
to be with our tent and equipment so I couldn't catch too many other 
performers on the main stage. I still heard some good music while roaming 
around and checking out the other stages.

Humpty Vission made every other stage shut down while he played.

A lot of people got pissed off about that.

The overall production was good. The space worked and it seemes like 
everyone was having a good time.

A big problem was the all of the police.

They were extremely aggressive, very rude and violated the rights of many. 
There were so many of them.

The stopped people on the way in and I heard that they were searching on the 
way out. I know of many people who were pulled over for no reason other than 
they were on the way to the festival.

I was personaly, disrespected and threatened by an officer because I stopped 
to wait for the trailer with all our sound equipent in it.

I was polite and addressed him a "sir."

He called me a mother fucker, and dared me to run my mouth some more.

Rednecks are funny.

As for the promoters of the event, I can say that Trevor was cool and very 
helpful. Thank you Trevor.

As for Colleen, greed is written all over her face and this party.

We spent over a $1000 on having a sound tent at this thing. We brought some 
water to help recover from the money spent.

Not a Big deal.

We put up a sign with the dj line-up, and at the bottom we wrote: "If you 
like this sound system and the music, help us and buy a bottle of water for 
$1."

We didn't feel like we were doing anything wrong and we didn't care if we 
sold all the water or not. If we did, then cool. If not, no big deal. No 
body told us we couldn't bring it.

Some girls came and told us that we were not supposed to be selling water 
and we were just ignored them becase I didn't know them and they didn't have 
YES laminets. Then after they came back and warned us again, Colleen finaly 
came down and told us to stop. Whatever.

We did stop.

And I gave her my word that we would not sell anymore.

We did, however, give some away to kids at our tent for free.

So about an hour later, Colleen sent a police officer and some security to 
break up our tent, scare all the people away, and take our 11 cases of 
water. After we gave him our water, he let us continue and thanked us for 
being cooperative.

Colleen is an idiot.

This moron is talking about UFOs sightings at raves and togetherness, and 
our tent gets rolled on by her security and the police...

Over bottled water.

Yeah, well P.L.U.R. and how much do I need to pay join your Young Elightened 
Souls Cult?

We stopped selling the water.

They kept sending "undercover ravers" over to buy it any way in order to try 
and see if we were pushing up on their market, or something like that.

What a joke!

We told people, "No, we are not selling water anymore."

But like I said, we gave some away.

Meanwhile they are selling about 20,000 bottles for two dollars each.

and they're worried about us?

I personally consumed at least around 10 to 15  bottles of water through out 
the weekend. Now think about the kids who didn't bring enough water for 
themselves and had to buy it from them. That's a lot of money considering 
there were no bathrooms with running water at the venue.

It sucks that this promoter was more worried about the 15 bottles of water 
we sold to kids dancing at our tent (you had to be right there to even know 
if there was any water being sold) rather than being concerned with the 
unreasonable amount of shade taking place at the event.

Regardless, we had a good time and rocked out all weekend. We got a lot of 
great feedback and met a lot people that were having fun and enjoying our 
music.

As for future yes festivals,

good luck next year, but I think we'll pass.

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Subject: [mw] FURTHER!

Even Further is going to be incredible!

I mean really!

Richard Harvey LIVE! 1st time in north america. The User phenom is going to 
work it out and I will be right there.

And Richard Turner from Utility Plastics! This label has been completely 
anonymous and on the lips of many tech heads world wide.

Very nice score.

The Soma Tour: Fuck D' Void, Slam, Percy X.

and Mark EG (this guy is a lunatic on stage), Woody McBride, and alot of 
other great dj's like: Phantom 45, UFO!, Justin Long, and more..

And 18 indepentendent sound systems.

This is going to be intense.

More excited than a kid on christmas morning.

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i hate when that happens...

-t

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caught part of joey m's set cause everywhere else in the party seemed to 
have lost their penises

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In a message dated 8/7/00 3:06:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
dj_tsar@yahoo.com writes:

<< i own an oliver ho record.
 i am leet like you. >>


Misha... One day... you WILL.. ask for a "fucktrance" shirt.
I know it.
Just know.
=P
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OK, I should have read ALL of my mail before posting anything...
this is from 313... Looks like I may be going to Canada...whoop whoop
I love the lil (wtf) by bt.. ahahhahah  that ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!


Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 00:08:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kyle J Dupuy <kdupuy@umich.edu>
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Subject: Re: [313] From Our Minds to Yours


i've heard that the party was postponed until the third week in november
due to venue problems.  this is good news if you live near montreal
because he will be performing there over labor day weekend with mills,
bukem, acquaviva and bt(wtf) among others.

kyle


On Sun, 6 Aug 2000, sean bollin wrote:

> Does anyone know the status of the plus 8 classics show that is supposed to 
be in Detroit on Sept. 3?  It used to be on richie's calendar on m-nus.com 
but now it has been removed. 
> 
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So..that lil (wtf) means that bt sucks...whatever.

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Subject: [mw] yes

>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:32:09 -0700 (PDT)>To: mw-raves@Hyperreal.org
>From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>>Subject: yes.
>Message-ID: <20000807153209.8433.qmail@web512.mail.yahoo.com>>
>so far everything i've heard about the yes festival is
>just how many people were arrested. is there anyone
>who could actually write a review or something? or
>were you people all standing on the highway and
>counting arrested fucked up ravers? :)
We drove out from Cincinnati around 830 or 9pm, and got out there at
something like 11pm indiana time.  When you first turned off the main road 
onto the long Paoli peaks driveway, there were about 15 police cars at least 
next to the road, and two cops directing traffic.  We did not get stopped 
going in, or questioned, or anything.  Our car was seached when we entered 
the event by event security(although our persons were not searched).
Laser's were very very good-only seen better in Chicago, and I think it was 
the same guys anyway.  Very cool.  Bad Boy Bill played a good set, although 
it was the first time I had seen him.  I though he maybe played a little bit 
too long, although I think I was getting impatient, because I saw Dennis 
Barton setting up behind him, and it was Skylab2000 that I really really 
REALLY wanted to see.
Skylab2000 (Dennis was by himself, + the vocalist/sticker-passer-outer)
rocked!  I saw them about two years ago in Indianapolis, but this
performance was better (didn't play Rollergirl tho).  I got to talk to
Dennis a little bit after he was done, and he was really cool, and very very 
nice.We left after skylab, because my friend had to work at 8am Sat morning.
However, Sat. afternoon we got our gear together, and drove back out, and 
played live pa with one of the ISS's.  It was quite a bitch to drag several 
thousand dollars worth of gear across that big area.  We had alot of fun, as 
we alway do when we play.
On the way in on Sat, same big group of cops.   They pulled over the car
infront of us, but did not pull us over.  It seemed like they had pulled
more people over on Sat night.  We were not searched on the way in at the 
event sat night, nor were we stopped leaving either night.
As for the people, most people seemed pretty much the standard Midwest
fair-aka if you don't know them, they don't like you.  We meet some cool
people while watching skylab2000 at the front of the stage, and some very 
cool dj's from new hampshire who were spinning before us at the ISS.  One 
kid did pass out over there tho, probably on K or something, and they spent 
like 30min trying to wake him up, before they had to cart him off.  Too bad 
people can't be a little more responsible.
Anyway, great to see skylab2000, cool to see Bad Boy Bill, kind of a neat 
festival atmosphere, etc.  Not too bad.  Worth $40..?  hmm, I don't know.
-Jesse
-The Unstoppable Juggernaut (live PA)
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Here's something from HealthScout@Earth Link that jaimmie marx (jaimmie@earthlink.com) asked us to alert you to:

DENTISTS OPPOSE TONGUE PIERCING
Hazards include infection, bleeding

To see the item now, visit HealthScout at http://www.healthscout.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Af?id=99676&ap=43.

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I just wanted to add a bit to that subject. My dentist is a pretty cool
guy, and when I got my tongue pierced almost 4 years ago, he warned me
about a few problems he's seen with other tongue piercings. I've been
careful and heeded the warnings, but he did say that if not brushed and
cleaned properly, even after healing, it can be a contributing factor to
gum disease and gingivitis. He's also seen problems with people who
constantly click their piercings against their teeth and play with it, and
the resulting loss of enamel from the teeth. when enough enamel gets
chipped away, it can urt pretty bad, and ummm i think you ahve to get caps
or something like that... He's also reminded me over and over, to make
sure that you scrape the tartar/plaque that builds up on the ball/bar
underneath the tongue on a weekly (at least) basis, to prevent
tartar/plaque buildup on the inside of your bottom teeth. I think that's
pretty much it, besides brushing at least twice a day and flossing at
least once a day. =) So, anyhow, make sure you take good care of it, if
you've got your tongue done. It'd be kinda sad to see a buncha toothless
ravers running around... ;)


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Subject: [mw] Fuck Big Raves [Sept 23rd, 2000]

Typed up from the flyer...

Addict presentz...

Fuck Big Raves

Saturday, Sept. 23rd 2000 in East Troy, WI

8:00pm-You die

NO: Glass, smashing, or under 21!!!

Live:

Eiterherd
Hekate
Venetian Snares
Doormouse
Abelcain

DJs:

Anonymous
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Dirty Collins
Naked Discourse

Camping, friend food, mud wrestling, B-E-E-R, and a whole lot of
hardcore and some possible Fish(ead?  The end got cut off in the
photocopying) as well as some Stunt Rock

Call 414.906.1751 day of for info

www.angelfire.com/boybands/addict

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Does anyone know who handles his bookings? It's not
for me..I'm asking for someone else.

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Subject: [mw] EF2K : Even Furthur full info

Drop Bass Network in association with Vibeonauts
present

Even Furthur 
the last dance of summer 
techno campout - electric festival - family re*union

Labor Day Weekend
Friday September 01 to Monday September 04, 2000
rain! or shine? somewhere, rural Wisconsin

Mission: from Free-For-All to Free for All


featuring...

Scotland's Soma Records North American tour with:
Funk D'Void
Slam
Percy X

Richard Harvey live aka User - London
Richard Turner - Utility Plastics - London
Mark EG - Blackout Audio, Bonzai, Cluster, M8/Wax - London

Scott Hardkiss - Hardkiss Music, Sunburn - San Francisco
Woody McBride aka dj ESP - Communique Records - Minneapolis

Matt Green live - Corrupt, Disturbance, Special Forces - London
Double D vs. Camry - The Sub-Link vs. Horizon - Calgary vs. Charlotte

UFO! - Phunckateck, Position Chrome, Thermal, Green Label - San Francisco
Phantom 45 - Chicago
UndergroundSolJazz - Chicago

Lego - Afterhours, Red Dog - Chicago
Mazi - Afterhours, Gourmet Recordings, Grayhound - Chicago
Justin Long - Gramaphone, IHR - Chicago

Frankie Vega - Mushgroove, SHR, Blue Line - Chicago
Jes One - Groove Shop, Deceptikon Unit - Rockford
Russ Abitz, Matt Butler, and Curtis - West Benders

Spiritual Krack Laboratory - Louisville, KY presents: "a return to mystery"
with Strange Loop, the Chef, Marky Mark, Tig, Imperial Sound System, and friends...

Stations of the Lost & the Theater-of-Destruction
with TJ Richter and the donkey devils



Stay in touch with the main voicemail lines for the
who / what / when / where / why and all that.

Our new rural location is equidistant +/-1 hour from
Milwaukee-Madison-Minneapolis-Chicago-Fox Valley.
Directions to the event will be announced August 31 on the voicemails
and website.


Drop Bass Network (Milwaukee, WI)
414-454-9836		262-548-1888		414-777-3998
www.dropbass.net

Vibeonauts (Chicago, IL)
773-604-1644
www.vibeonauts.com

support lines:
Eucalyptus (Madison)				608-258-0098 
MTP (Fox Valley)				715-758-8790 
Allied Substructure (Minneapolis)	612-676-2127
Strange Loop (Louisville)			502-569-1757
Kindred Groove (St. Louis)			314-995-9215
Digital Perceptions (Cedar Rapids)	319-297-9273
N-Joy (Chicago)					630-415-3158



Ticket Information:

Tickets can be purchased at the Even Furthur gate for $35.
This price covers all four days of entertainment, camping, and parking
for a single participant.
Of course Right of Admission is Reserved. Counterfeit tickets are the
purchaser's responsibility.

Advance tickets $31, available starting August 14 at:
Revolutions - Milwaukee 414-347-1141
Massive Records - Milwaukee 414-906-1751 
Audio Depot - Madison 608-251-2000
The Kooler - Racine 414-638-1131 
Appleton Imports - Appleton 920-749-9229 
Untitled - Chicago 773-404-9225 
Level - Cihicago 773-579-0004 
Groove Shop - Rockford 815-229-7375 
Cynesthesia - Minneapolis 612-824-7126



Do-It-Yourself:
Even Furthur is known for its DIY independent sound systems.
How popular are they?  This year we accepted all that we could prior to
the event
even being announced!  Sorry, No Vacancy.

Theme Camps:
Express yourself by creating a space to share in our surrealistic village.
If you have a bitchin' idea and you want to reserve some primo space
give us a call at 414-777-3998 and it's yours.

Freak-o-system:
Even if you don't bring tunes or create a camp, at the very least celebrate
what this event is all about...freedom and the power of each and every
one of us. Don't just spectate...participate!  You make it Even Furthur.


Do-It-Yourself independent sound systems everyday noon to midnight:

Drop Bass Network (Milwaukee) "Free For All" : www.dropbass.net
jethrox . Oryan . tomamerica . Mr. Fister . Mike Nanos . 
Stan Doublin . Synergy . Hi-Pass Midi Circus . Marscruiser . DJ Cook

Vibeonauts (Chicago) "Los Borrachos Locos" : 773-604-1644
Sativa . Acetate . Nosmo . Geoffrey . George David . 
Chris Conrad . Alex & Chris . Frank Q . Frenzy . Vital-G

Eucalyptus / Radiant / Deceptikon (Madison)
"Madison Family Sound System" : 608-258-0098 
Zach Bass . Laufei . Ohm . General Jash . BamHI . 
Rainbow . Adrian . Jesse Collins . Star . XsentrX

Allied Substructure / Sonic Fury (Minneapolis)
"Temptation!" : 612-676-2127
Spree . Hooverproject . Madkid . Tilzs . FreakBoy . 
Arjay Ketamine . Fleak . Tyler Science . Scam . Skyy

Massive (Milwaukee) "A Boy Named Sue" : www.massivemag.com
Doormouse . Anonymous . Dica . .com . Asscore 2000

Positive Entity (Chicago) "House of Debauchery"
The Ronin .  D-Tone .  Budda-Monk .  Cpt. Spank-o .  Dr. Gonzo

Intellephunk / Numb3rs (Minneapolis) "Inner Sanctum" : 612-837-6129
Centrific .  DVS1 .  Jon Gregory .  Isaac Anthony .  Shift

"Taste of Chicago" N-Joy / Simple Productions (Chicago) : 630-415-3158
Distortion .  Ry-n .  Brandon S .  Alex K .  Aaron Chase

"lost: one pat bastard" WBA / Elkompton (SE Wisconsin)
Abraham Jensen .  Paco .  John Tuesday .  Heath Heise .  Richard Jantz

"Planet Trance" Unique Recordings (Chicago) : 847-604-3116
Brandy James .  Matthew Michaels .  Dan Efex .  Todd Richmann .  Curtis RS

MTP / AM Records (Up North) "Mystery Theme Phenomenon" : 715-758-8790
Red-ize .  Demetri Nocturnal .  Funky B .  Casey Baldwin .  Sweet
Emulation Projekt

Soundsystem.net and People of Rhythm and Atmospheric Audio Chair
"Noise Ordinace" : www.soundsystem.net
Warp . Josh Werner . Darkmode . Cobalt . Rob_Art

Deviant Nation (Minneapolis) "Lethal Equation" : www.wardogz.org
haDJi . azrael . Lost in Translation . kokigami . Target Market Research

Strobehouse Productions (Waukegan) "the strobe house" : www.strobehouse.com
Jesse Martinez .  Vijay .  Brian Williams .  Skraps .  DJ Atmosphere

A.M. Industries (Omaha, NE) "Cosmic Pimp-n" : 402-577-4397
James Deep .  MIK3 .  DEGA .  Smiff .  Lunatik

trust (Denver, CO) "trust:EF2K" : 303-382-9752
Dis=c0! .  irix .  element .  jonnyfaw .  whitsitt

p616.com (West Michigan) "snafu*sound" :  616-334-4240
Katalist .  Scotty V .  Joe Sasson .  Defunkt .  The Schryb

Domino Theory (Rochester, NY) "the Neighborhood Konspiracy"
Water . Keven Atoms . Our Baby . Drumcorps . Caltrop



Guidelines & Info:
Even Furthur starts at noon on Friday and goes to noon on Monday.
Hot & Cold Food and Beverage concessions on site.
Clean water, showers, and bathrooms will be available.
Small personal fires are permitted in fire pits or metal containment.

Even Furthur is a DRUG FREE EVENT.
Alcohol sales will be available for those legal drinking age with i.d.
Underage drinking will not be tolerated.
Sales and/or use of controlled substances and nitrous oxide are
  illegal, unwise, and unwelcome.

THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO IN AND OUT PRIVILEGES.
*Come prepared to camp and cope for the entire duration you intend to stay.*

Do Bring -
tent, sleeping bag, food, plenty to drink, cooler with ice, grill, extra
clothes, flashlight,
bug spray, sun block, drums, toys, first aid, and of course plenty o'
good vibes.
Do Not Bring - 
fireworks, weapons, glass bottles, tools for graffiti, mean pets, or bad attitudes.

Firm yet friendly security and a medic tent will be available on site to assist
you and ensure the event runs smoothly.

No walk up guest list, you must get approval in advance.
Limited merchandise vending space is available.
Vendors and guest list must call 414-777-3998 to inquire and/or register.

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paul morris does i believe.

gruve

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> Does anyone know who handles his bookings? It's not
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hey everyone
my isp fucked up my email address  djgruve@home.net
so this is my new address till they get my old email address back =
working.

analogbass@home.com


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The last I knew Paul Morris was doing his bookings. But I know that Sean 
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past. Paul Morris would probably be your best bet to contact tho.


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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: the furthur 2000 lineup
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 05:03:44 GMT
From: "jon dica!" <dica666@hotmail.com>
To: crege@students.wisc.edu
CC: panam@execpc.com, nick@hyperreal.org

take off work now.  that is all.

-jon/dica


-------------------------------------------------------------
I.   the last dance of summer.
-------------------------------------------------------------

......................................................
.....drop bass network.........in association with....
........vibeonauts...................present..........
......................................................
................E V E N   F U R T H U R...............
.................september 01-04, 2000................
......................................................
............... the last dance of summer..............
.techno campout - electric festival - family re*union.
......................................................
.................somewhere, wisconsin.................
......................................................


-------------------------------------------------------------
II.  aural pleasure.
-------------------------------------------------------------

* FUNK D'VOID - soma, scotland
* SLAM - soma, scotland
* PERCY X - soma, scotland
* RICHARD HARVEY (live) aka USER - london
* RICHARD TURNER - utility plastics, london
* MARK EG - blackout audio, bonzai, cluster, m8/wax, london
* SCOTT HARDKISS - hardkiss music, sunburn, san francisco
* WOODY MCBRIDE aka DJ ESP - communique, minneapolis
* MATT GREEN (live) - corrupt, disturbance, special forces, london
* UFO! - phunkateck, position chrome, thermal, green, san francisco
* DOUBLE D vs. CAMRY - the sublink vs. horizon, calgary vs. charlotte
* PHANTOM 45 - chicago
* UNDERGROUNDSOLJAZZ - nine member dnb/hip hop PA, chicago
* SPIRITUAL KRACK LABORATORY (strange loop, the chef, marky mark, tig, 
imperial sound system, and more..) - louisville, www.krack.org
* LEGO - afterhours, red dog, chicago
* MAZI - afterhours, gourmet, greyhound, chicago
* JUSTIN LONG - gramaphone, ihr, chicago
* FRANKIE VEGA - mushgroove, shr, blue line, chicago
* JES ONE - groove shop, rockford
* RUSS ABITZ, CURTIS, MATT BUTLER - west benders

sound by badger audio subkulture, lights by light fantastik.


-------------------------------------------------------------
III.   do it yourself, before someone else does.
-------------------------------------------------------------

Even Furthur is known for its DIY independent sound systems.  how
popular 
are they?  this year we accepted all that we could prior to the event
even 
being announced!  sorry -- no vacancy.

18 (!) DIY sound systems, open every day noon to midnight:

FREE FOR ALL - drop bass network, milwaukee - www.dropbass.net
HOUSE OF DEBAUCHERY - positive entity, chicago
NOISE ORDINANCE - soundsystem.net, people of rhythm, chicago
THE STROBE HOUSE - strobehouse prods, waukegan - www.strobehouse.com
LOS BORRACHOS LOCOS - vibeonauts, chicago
INNER SANCTUM - intellephunk, numb3rs, minneapolis
TRUST: EF2K - trust, denver
TASTE OF CHICAGO - n-joy, simple prods, chicago
SNAFU*SOUND - p616.com, west michigan
A BOY NAMED SUE - massive, milwaukee - www.massivemag.com
COSMIC PIMP-N - a.m. industries, omaha
TEMPTATION! - allied substructure, sonic fury, minneapolis
MADISON FAMILY SOUND SYSTEM - eucalyptus, radiant, deceptikon, madison
LOST: ONE PAT BASTARD - wba, eikompton, se wisconsin
PLANET TRANCE - unique recordings, chicago
THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONSPIRACY - domino theory, rochester, new york
MYSTERY THEME PHENOMENON - mtp, am records, up north wisconsin


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IV.   a guide for the festivities.
-------------------------------------------------------------

even furthur starts at noon on friday and goes 72 hours to noon on
monday.  
official sound tents are weather protected to go rain or shine.

hot & cold food and beverage concessions on site.
clean water, showers, and bathrooms will be available.
small personal fires permitted only in fire pits or metal containment.

even furthur is a DRUG FREE EVENT.
alcohol sales will be available on the grounds for those legal drinking
age 
with proper ID.  if you're under 21, don't even think about bringing
alcohol 
in.  underage drinking will not be tolerated and will be dealt with
severly. 
  sales and/or use of controlled substances and nitrous oxide are
illegal, 
unwise, and unwelcome.  you will be searched upon entrance to the
festival 
grounds.

there are absolutely NO IN AND OUT PRIVILEGES.
(come prepared to camp and cope for the entire duration you intend to
stay!)

Do Bring:
tent, sleeping bag, food, plenty to drink, cooler with ice, grill, extra 
clothes, flashlight, bug spray, sun block, drums, toys, and of course
plenty 
o' good vibes.

Do Not Bring:
fireworks, weapons, glass bottles, tools for graffiti, mean pets, or bad 
attitudes.

firm yet friendly security and a medic tent will be on site to assist
you 
and ensure the event runs smoothly.

no walk up guest list -- you must get approval in advance.  limited 
merchandise vending space is available.  vendors and guest list must
call 
414-777-3998 to inquire and/or register.

shout out to the video man.  as always, we're looking for footage from
past 
Furthur events.  if you have some or know someone who does, ring us on 
414-777-3998.  we have tickets in exchange for your tapes.

keep your ears tuned for Free Radio Furthur!  (frequency announced at
the 
event...)

watch for Stations of the Lost & the Theatre of Destruction, with TJ
Richter 
and the donkey devils.


theme camps:  express yourself by creating a space to share in our 
surrealistic village.  if you have a bitchin' idea and you want to
reserve 
some primo space, give us a call at 414-777-3998 and it's yours.

freak-o-system.  even if you don't bring tunes or create a camp, at the
very 
least celebrate what this event is all about.... freedom and the power
of 
each and every one of us.

don't just speculate... participate!  you make it Even Furthur.


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V.  your ticket to rock.
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ticket information:  tickets can be purchased at the Even Furthur gate
for 
$35.  this price covers all four days of entertainment, camping,
parking, 
and fun for a single participant.  of course, Right of Admission is 
Reserved.  counterfeit tickets are the purchaser's responsibility.

advance tickets are $31, available starting August 14 at the following 
authorized locations:

Revolutions ------- Milwaukee ------ 414-347-1141
Massive Records --- Milwaukee ------ 414-906-1751
Audio Depot ------- Madison -------- 608-251-2000
The Kooler -------- Racine --------- 414-638-1131
Appleton Imports -- Appleton ------- 920-749-9229
Untitled ---------- Chicago -------- 773-404-9225
Level ------------- Chicago -------- 773-579-0004
Groove Shop ------- Rockford ------- 815-229-7375
Cynesthesia ------- Minneapolis ---- 612-824-7126


-------------------------------------------------------------
VI.  reach out and touch someone.
-------------------------------------------------------------

stay in touch with the main voicemail lines for the who / what / when / 
where / why and all that.

our new rural location is equidistant +/-1 hour from milwaukee, madison, 
minneapolis, chicago, fox valley.  directions to the event will be
announced 
starting August 31 on the voicemails and website.

drop bass network (milwaukee, wi)
414-454-9836
262-548-1888
414-777-3998
www.dropbass.net

vibeonauts (chicago, il)
773-604-1644
www.vibeonauts.com

support lines:

eucalyptus (madison) ---------------- 608-258-0098
mtp (fox valley) -------------------- 715-758-8790
allied substructure (mpls) ---------- 612-676-2127
strange loop (louisville) ----------- 502-569-1757
kindred groove (st. louis) ---------- 314-995-9215
digital perceptions (cedar rapids) -- 319-297-9273
n-joy (chicago) --------------------- 630-415-3158


-------------------------------------------------------------
VII.  keep one thing in mind...
-------------------------------------------------------------

THINK FURTHUR.

turn on, tune in, drop bass.

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:: jon/dica. unaffiliated. unholy prophet of darkness.
:: http://dica.darkstep.org
:: "chaos rampant,  an age of distrust."  -slayer

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I'd like to PERSONALLY thank all the 150+ FUCKERS
who decided to ONCE AGAIN create problems within 
our scene!  I'd like to think all the young 
"enlightened" souls who PROVED, possibly for the
last time, that ravers ARE nothing more than drug-
crazed lunatics.

Oh, and I'd like to ESPECIALLY thank that once
again, it was done in Indiana. 


Can't wait to go and fuck up Ohio's scene.


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wow....damm...Bitter much? I don't know what the final count as far as how 
many people got through the gate at yes fest, but if there were close to the 
3000 that I'm hearing, then 150 drug related arrests aren't too bad...thats 1 
in 20. I dont' care what scene you're into (except maybe the straight-edge 
scene or the devout Christian scene) 1 in 20 people using or possessing drugs 
is a pretty low ratio. Go to a punk show, hippy gathering, high school event, 
or heavy-metal concert and I guarantee you get a worse ratio than that. Hell 
I think the last time a poll of High School Pot Users was over 50%. 

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--- OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:
> wow....damm...Bitter much? I don't know what the
> final count as far as how 
> many people got through the gate at yes fest, but if
> there were close to the 
> 3000 that I'm hearing, then 150 drug related arrests
> aren't too bad...thats 1 
> in 20. 

Oh, yeah... and that's EXACTLY what the government,
media, and law enforcement are thinking when they see
that.

"Oh, looky here... it's only 1 in 20... that's only
5%... That's not so bad!"

Yeah, right.

I guarantee you parties in Indy are gonna be harder to
throw now because of the idiots in YES Fest, including
the kid that freaked out and hurt a cop that was
trying to help him, the near 200 arrests, the fight
that broke out in the library where they wereholding
ravers b/c they were running out of room in their
holding cell, the girl that wondered off on the road
and caused a local to steer off the road, and another
kid that caused almost a thousand dollars in damage to
a cop car... 

Oh, but yeah, it's only a 5% ratio... so I guess that
makes it ok.


-Jesse Houston

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well I never said it made it okay...any drug arrests in the city of Paoli are 
a big deal. Most of the arrests that were made would not have ever happened 
had it been in a more densely populated area, but you have to remember that 
the county that Paoli is in is the Poorest county in the state of Indiana so 
this was an easy way for them to probably triple the revenue that the county 
makes during the summer. As far as killing the scene in Indy goes, Indy has 
endured many attempts by the Media and Government to destroy their scene, and 
this isn't the first Rave related problem in the City of Paoli, last year at 
Real Family there were many, many arrests and a girl was almost killed after 
getting ran over by a car, this was all big news all over the central area of 
Indiana.

Its a little idealistic to think that a 100% drug free rave will ever happen 
on a large scale, I have friends that are into the Christian Rave scene and 
they tell me that there are drugs at those events also. In the now 9 years 
(damn I'm getting old) that I've been going to parties, there has never, ever 
been a drug free party. Some of the first parties thrown in the US were all 
about the Music and getting fukked up on either Acid or E to help the music 
enlighten your mind and spirit.

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pure genius

http://www.joecartoon.com/buddies/chaos/index.html

and check www.campchaos.com for the rest of them.

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On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Jesse Houston wrote:

+Can't wait to go and fuck up Ohio's scene.

think that'll help?

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>>think that'll help?<<

Of course it will Chad. I mean if one city's scene gets destroyed, is it fair for any town to still have a scene? Ravers have to be selfish to survive, I mean they bitch about paying $25 to get into a party that cost $50,000 to throw, why not take down every other scene when something bad happens to theirs.

studying How to Get Revenge on People You Dont Like
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Subject: [mw] THE REAL ASSHOLES!! (FWD: From Philly)

jesse_houston@yahoo.com writes:

<< including
 the kid that freaked out and hurt a cop that was
 trying to help him, the near 200 arrests, the fight
 that broke out in the library where they wereholding
 ravers b/c they were running out of room in their
 holding cell, the girl that wondered off on the road
 and caused a local to steer off the road, and another
 kid that caused almost a thousand dollars in damage to
 a cop car... 
 
 Oh, but yeah, it's only a 5% ratio... so I guess that
 makes it ok.
 
 -Jesse Houston >>

Houston?!  As in Houston, Texas, home state of the ultra 
evil Republican corporate candidate for presidency?

Plus you seem to know alot about what happened to the
cops!!

In addition you boasted about how happy you were from
all these alleged incidents and how mw-ravers should go and
destroy the Ohio scene (which is a joke in itself because the
media has already destroyed what little was left of the scene
here) - completely against the PLUR philosophy as ravers!!

In other words, you are NOT ONE OF US!!, but another wolf
disguised in sheep's clothing!!

Allow me to "enlighten" you on who the TRUE ASSHOLES are...

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Joe,

This is a mass mailer I wrote up about the situation in Philadelphia right 
now.  Its crazy.  I dont know what to do.  I keep thinking of everything we 
used to talk about.  I urge you to follow the situation closely.

Ammi


Please go to: http://www.phillyimc.org

********
Friends, family, others:

What's going on in Philadelphia right now is a civil rights catastrope the 
magnitude of which is difficult to express in words.  As I'm writing this, 
two well known activists are being held on 1 million dollars bail each.  
Both were picked up while walking down the street during the recent protests 
against the Republican National Convention.  Others arrested have bails set 
as high as 500,000 dollars.  Most of the 341 protesters still incarcerated, 
whose charges range from obstructing a highway to disorderly conduct, have 
bails set in excess of 10,000 dollars.  These are the highest bails on 
record in the US for these charges.  Needless to say, most cannot afford 
these bails and are practicing jail solidarity (refusing to give thier names 
in order to get demands for fair treatment met) regardless.  Almost all have 
been moved to county prisons at this point.  In a country that prides itself 
on freedom of expression and asembly, they are political prisoners.  There 
is simply no other term.

As I'm writing this, reports of intimidation, abuse and torture continue to 
pour in from the jails.  Prisoners in custody up to 80 or more hours before 
being allowed a phone call or access to a lawyer.  Prisoners being denied 
food and water, kept in sweltering buses until they went into heat stroke, 
prisoners denied life saving medication (including meds for HIV, asthma and 
epilepsy), prisoners with broken wrists or hands, torn ears, chipped teeth, 
abused genitals.  This isn't a laundry list of horror stories.  This is a 
list of testimonies I've heard personally, from the mouths of those it 
happened to or thier friends.  People red-faced, stunned, grieving.  These 
are people I--and probably you--know.  This is real.  This is happening 
right now.

The police have isolated people they see as "leaders" for interrogation and 
exorbitant bails.  Many have not been able to meet with lawyers.  A friend 
of mine, a puppeteer from Austin TX, was detained by police before the 
protests began.  This occured outside the Haverford puppet space during the 
raid that destroyed nearly all the signs and props people had been building 
to communicate thier messages during the demonstration.  The puppets have 
since been out through an industrial shredder and my friend is being held on 
seven misdemenor chrages, for 250,000 dollars bail.  Dozens of others, 
arrested miles from the demonstrations in the puppet warehouse, are still in 
jail on charges ranging from "conspiracy" to "obstructing a highway."  The 
highest prison term being mentioned so far is 20-40 years, attatched to a 
person accused of assaulting Commisioner Timoney.  In addition to going 
after the puppets, police systematically picked off and arrested those with 
cell phones or radios the day of the action.  Other "organizers" were weeded 
out of milling crowds, police having identified them by previously taken 
photos.

The state and federal governments are attempting to break the back of this 
movement and it has what seems to be unlimited resources to do so.  For 
months before the protests, police presence near activist spaces and 
survelance of activists has been extreme.  They tapped phones, photographed 
the house I was staying in, send operatives into deep cover to befriend us 
and utilized a nationwide network of intelligence information to acquire 
knowledge about our movements as we were deciding these things ourselves.  
All this for a group of non-violent people planning to block traffic!  
Obviously, the resources delegated to stopping and punishing the protesters 
are there not for what we did but for why we did it.

And why is that?  Ironically, the day most of the 455 protesters were taken 
in was themed The Criminal In-Justice system, with rallys and direct actions 
planned to call attention to the growing private prison system and the 
disproportionate number of poor people and people of color in the jails and 
on death row.  I could restate the statistics but we all know them by heart. 
  The politicians know them and the people on the street know them. The 
rascist, classist prison system is part of our national heritage and 
national shame, something every American but the 2 million behind bars is 
complict in allowing to continue.

The messages are simple, yet members of the mainstream press claimed they 
didn't understand. They called the message obscure, while thousands of 
police with batons and plastic cuffs stood in stony formation at city 
intersections.  Demands for an end to police brutality became more and more 
clear as instances of police violence broke out towards the end of the day.  
I saw on the local news that police did "nothing more than yell at 
protesters" and were "a model of restraint."  But I also saw a girl go down 
after taking a baton in the leg.  And I saw my friend's broken thumb, bent 
back by two other hands simply because no one was there to record it.

I remember marching from the jail Wednesday night in the rain.  The wicks on 
our red candles had gone wet and black, the media had almost all left.  
Hundreds of cops cordoned off the hundred and fifty members of the vigil, 
one at the front with a rifle out, its muzzle pointed caddycorner to our 
thighs.  I was walking with a reproter from the Philadelphia Inquirer, 
telling her what I'd seen, telling her that people were being hurt.  She 
said, "I know.  But if we can't verify it, we can't print it."  The ink on 
her pad was smeared and illegible, the paper soaked and transluctent.  
Together we crossed the line off that rifle with our breath in our throats.  
My fingers had gone numb, my intestines icy, my mouth frozen open in 
evaporated song.  I looked around and all I saw was policemen after 
policemen, a sea of powder blue shirts and shiny chrome bicycles.  All I saw 
was the muzzle of that rifle and what it meant.  I had the sense of history 
demanding something of me and every other person at that jail, in 
Philadelphia and in this country.  I had the sense of incredible loss. And I 
knew that it didn't matter because no one was writing it down.

We need help.  At the rallies outside the jail, people chanted "The whole 
world is watching."  But it often felt like no one was.  While isolated 
members of the press have worked hard to provide objective coverage, for the 
most part the media has been biased against us to the point of criminal 
negligence.  This shouldn't surprise me.  Newspapers and television stations 
are powered by and exist to serve the same corporations we in the streets 
hoped to unmask.  Still, I am surprised.  Surprised because after all these 
companies are staffed by people, by human beings I assume have a sense of 
empathy, responsibility and justice, if not simple horror at the idea of a 
world without first amendment freedoms.  Ditto for the cops.   Each man and 
woman in uniform in Philadelphia has seen this group of people (not to 
mention the many other groups who have faced and continue to face much 
worse) systematically vilified and abused.  Don't they understand tommorow 
it could be them?  That (for many of them) it has been and continues to be 
them?  I can only hope that everyone involved in the brave new police state 
I see cropping up all around me realizes thier complicity in the situation 
and the power they have to stop it.

The whole world is not watching.  People's lives are being destroyed.  
Incredible people: community organizers, gardeners, writers, dancers.  The 
people I know behind bars cook food for the homeless, publish magazines, 
build bikes for kids.  I have never seen or heard of any engaging in an act 
of violence.  They are carpenters.  Most would rather build an alternative 
physical or economic structure than break the window of an existing one.  
Which is exactly what makes them so threatening.

The world is not watching, and it needs to be.  The press is not watching.  
It hasn't been for a long, long time.  The convention is over but the abuse 
it still happening.  Over three hundred people are in jail tonight in 
Philadelphia as part of what can only be described as a coordinated act of 
political repression.  Thousands of demonstrators have been portrayed as 
dangerous criminals for continuing a tradition of civil disobedience passed 
on to us from Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. This is a crucial moment for 
anyone who considers him or herself free.  As a friend put it 
yesterday--after we were followed and photographed yet again by a 
plainclothes policemen: "this is the first page in a very big book."

Please help:

* Write letters to your local newspaper and television stations.  Demand 
coverage of the situation in Philadelphia and the demonstrators still in 
jail.

* Write to national media such as the NY Times and cnn.com, demanding the 
full story on continuing human rights violations.

* Go to the Philadelphia Inquirer
http://web.philly.com/content/inquirer/
and Philadelphia Tribune
http://www.phila-tribune.com/
And respond to them about thier coverage.

* Call District Attorney Lynn Abraham at 215-686-8701 and Mayor John Street 
(who has stated that Philly will throw the book at protesters) at 
215-686-2181.  Let the Mayor know that while Police Commissioner John 
Timoney is riding high in the press right now, Street had better distance 
himself from the monster before the full story about systematic physical 
torture and civil rights abuses reaches the public.

*Hook up with the Moms for Justice by emailing your name, phone and email to 
Sue Mammarella at suemam@aol.com or Carolyn McGuckin-Robinson at 
crobin@icdc.com.

*** Make a tax-deductable and urgently needed donation to the PDAG 
(Philadelphia Direct Action Group) Legal and Bail Fund by sending checks 
payable to "ISMCH" to PDAG/ PO Box 40683/ Philadelphia, PA 19107.  Please 
put "legal fund" on the memo line.***

* Read the statement by the John Does at CFCS
http://www.thepartysover.org/media/cfcfletter20000806.html
Write prisoners in jail as the addresses become available over the 
www.phillyimc.org site.

* Read the LA Times Article on Upcoming DNC Protests
http://www.latimes.com/news/state/20000807/t000073900.html
Write them on thier coverage, let them know how important the press will be 
at the DNC protests and urge them to give critical focus on the issues 
people are demonstrating about.

* Forward this or more concise info from the links listed to everyone you 
know, espeically those who might be willing to help, or who might have money 
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Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!..indiana??? b/s

In a message dated 8/8/00 1:24:24 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
jesse_houston@yahoo.com writes:

<< Oh, and I'd like to ESPECIALLY thank that once
 again, it was done in Indiana.  >>


    This shit happends EVERY weekend in every other state. Don't just say 
Indiana. Have you ever read up on CA?  or FL? or AZ? It happens EVERY weekend 
there. I am just greatful no one died, or fell off a cliff.... Yea.. its 
fucking pure bullshit that kids need their drugs to feel the music. It really 
sucks, but don't just say "once again, indiana...ectect." That is just wrong.

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>From: "Jeff Wright" <gravit8@hotmail.com>
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>Subject: [ia-raves] WHAT.?! have YOU heard???
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>     WHAT.?! is going on?  WHAT.?! is it you want?  WHAT.?! does exist out
>there (here).
>                    Hmmm Productions Presents
>                                             WHAT.?!
>
>   This weekend, August 10th-13th.  The doors of perception will open this
>Thursday @ 12 noon.  You are invited to share the weekend with others who
>share our mind- one mind, one soul, we will be united in celebration for
>ourselvs and the force we will(have) become.  That is all you need to 
>think.
>   So all our plans in life don't work out, and sometimes its harder to
>change those failed plans than it should be.  But the most we can do in 
>this
>world is pick up WHAT.?! is left of those crumbling plans and piece 
>together
>something else.  Sometimes it even turns out better than the original.  Now
>is the time we set aside to harness THE VIBE we started building some 8
>months ago, and direct it towards...WHAT.?! ever we feel is right.  Our
>minor problems are not going to stop this celebration of life, love,
>creativity, and joy that has through the years brought so many of us
>together.  Come with your minds open to the possibilities we have all
>presented to ourselves, and bring your friends so they can share the
>experience.  ONE LOVE. ONE LIFE. ONE MIND.  ONE VOICE.  The world is about
>to be WHAT.?! we make it.
>
>
>
>      Hmmmm.  I donno about you all, but I have been hearing a lot of 
>things
>about our party. By "our", I mean everyones'.  Some are true, 
>others...well,
>here's something to clear it up a little.  Yes, our main investor kind of
>disappeared, I guess when ya got 20 or $30,000 to throw down on a party you
>have plenty to go on vacation somewhere you can't be found.  Needless to
>say, we here in Iowa City have been scrambling to get something together 
>for
>all you who have supported this whole thing.
>    So here's the dirt:  we have scaled things down to one stage with eight
>stacks of sound from Rexroat sound, the contract freshly inked as of two
>hours ago.  We have two renegade systems courtesy of Uncle Flash (I wish 
>all
>my relatives were as chill as Flash) and Lowdown Productions from the 
>cheese
>state, somewhere in Wisconsin, bringin' a couple thousand watts.  The spot,
>a well used paintball range 28 miles off Hwy 218.  For directions point
>yourselves to www.iowapaintball.com.  Most of it is paved and it will be
>well marked, for your traveing convenience.
>    Who is going to be there is something you will have to show up to find
>out, but you won't be disappointed.  All that matters is the beat, and its
>gonna be bangin'.  We were able to keep about 2/3 of the original line-up.
>Well, you know we can't keep a good secret so here's who is confirmed:
>Dj Tsar  Dimitri Nocturnal  DJ Dewey& MC Sprite  DJ Booth  DJ Allanon
>Digital Pimp  DJ Shen  Rorschach  Nnothing  The Noid  Johnny B  RollerBoy
>DJ Smoove  Mel Richards  DJ Flash  The Lady Espina  DJ Storm  InfintyzWell
>DJ Murdoch  The Beat Farmer  DJ Alert  Jethro    EZ-D  DJ Dioneysus
>
>More will be confirmed in the next few days...
>
>Vending will still be available, we have put together a selection for your
>pleasure, plus a nice addition...PAINTBALL!  Bring some ratty clothes, just
>in case....  Here are some of the vendors:
>
>   Serendipity Lifestyle Emporium-energy drinks, smart drink cocktails,
>sandwiches, salads, and other healthy, nourishing goodies to get you 
>through
>the weekend.  Touch of Ecstacy-  Aroma Therapy, Full body massages,
>spiritual cleansing.
>
>   Spinout Jungle Gear- Cool threads to cover them tired bones.
>
>   Fixation Oxygen Bar- Breath deep.  No, breath Deeper.  Now exhale...mmm.
>Flavored oxygen to get your body back up and your mind even higher.
>
>   MadJester Macfadden / Amber Moon- Tarot card readings deep within your
>soul.  Palm readings and astrology charts.  Lookin' at a cutie?  Know your
>chances before you talk to them... See part of your future before its too
>late... Your soul will speak volumes through their readings.
>
>........................................................................
>Heres some directions for all you intrepid travelers comin' to share your
>love.
>
>From St. Louis-  head north on 61 through Keokuk, where 61 turns into 218
>north.  Take this to the Hwy 1 exit just outside of Iowa City, and go
>LEFT....
>
>From Chicago and points east-  Take U.S. 80 West past Iowa City to exit 
>239.
>   This is the 380/218 interchange.  Go South 218  to the HWY 1 exit and go
>RIGHT....
>
>From Omaha, Kansas City, Des Moines, and points west-  Take U.S. 80 East to
>380/218 interchange.  Go South 218 to the HWY 1 exit and go left....
>
>
>....You should now be on Hwy 1 South.  Follow this 11.5 miles until you see
>the Kalona Cheese House on your left.  Turn RIGHT on F-67, you should now 
>be
>heading west.  Go 12.5 miles, in the process through two (2) stop signs.
>Turn LEFT on "S" Ave.  Go 1.5 miles south (you should be on a gravel road)
>and turn RIGHT onto Keokuk/Iowa Rd.  1/2 mile on your RIGHT you will see 
>the
>entrance.  There will be signs at the turns to help, with WHAT.?! and the
>appropriate direction...
>
>    For those who don't like to pack food and water there is a Wal-Mart 
>about
>1 mile North on HWY 1, towards Iowa City.  For those directionally
>challenged, go right on hwy 1 from St. Louis (south) or left from 
>interstate
>80.  We DO NOT condone the purchase of any goods from the place, but we'll
>leave the decision entirely up to you.
>
>   For a detailed map from 218 to the site head to www.iowapaintball.com 
>and
>click on the directions link.  You can also survey the site from above.  
>The
>main stage will be in the speed ball area, with the rest of the grounds
>open, within reason.
>
>   Please remeber this is an outdoor event set in the heart of Iowa 
>cornland.
>   With the proximity of trees and other grasslands there will be the usual
>abundance of BUGS.  Bugspray is highly recommended, and bring extras for
>your forgetful friends.  ALSO BRING:  Tents, water, toys, drums and
>instruments, hemp and beads, sleeping bags, blankets, flashlight &
>batteries,  cameras,  warm clothes, cool clothes,  toiletries,  enough food
>for yourself and friends,  and even more water.  And some more food.  And
>anything else that trips yer trigger.  There is, unfortunately, no room for
>RV's or campers, and space will be taken up quickly.  And here's the part
>you all know... NO ALCOHOL, WEAPONS, DRUGS, FIREWORKS, OR BAD ATTITUDES.  
>We
>have enough to deal with as is, and any of these items will be confiscated.
>There will be a friendly search at the door, so pack accordingly.  Also
>expect Johnny Law to be on the lookout for unusual traffic (meaning anyone
>under 35).  Travel safely and with all applicable laws in mind.
>    Gates will be opening on Thursday, August 10th for all you die hard
>ravers out there, with the main events running Friday and Saturday, through
>Sunday morning.  Sunday afternoon is chill time.  There will be no set 
>leave
>time for anyone, so you can get a wink in for your drives.
>      For more info, get your eyeballs lookin at http://jump.to/what?  It
>should be up soon, but WHAT.?! else is there to know?  We want you, your
>friends need you...forget the excuses and come to the heartland to get your
>rocks off.....
>
>Signing off for now, hope to see you all very soon,
>
>Jeff Wright     GRAVIT8@HOTMAIL.COM
>Nick Dreeszen   VISION2020X@AOL.COM
>Jorge Flores
>
>Info Lines:  319.936.4243    or  319.621.5880
>
>A VERY busy HMMM Productions
>
>And of course, pass it on.  This isn't some pointless chainmail so feel 
>free
>to foreward to everyone in your address book.
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Subject: Re: [mw] about the YE$ fest

>As for Colleen, greed is written all over her face and this party.
>
>YES laminets. Then after they came back and warned us again, Colleen finaly
>came down and told us to stop. Whatever.
>
>So about an hour later, Colleen sent a police officer and some security to
>break up our tent, scare all the people away, and take our 11 cases of
>water.
>
>Colleen is an idiot.
>

not very fuckin plury or her candy ass ....

sorry did that sound bitchy ???

-THE bitch iySyS-


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Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHER!

>other great dj's like: UFO!

/me jumps up and down consumed with joy !!

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Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!

oh yeah right like anything can fuck up ohios scene...and keep in mind im 
sure ALOT of those people were probably from ohio anyway....only place ive 
seen more dealers then in ohio is kokomo

-THE bitch iySyS-

>I'd like to PERSONALLY thank all the 150+ FUCKERS
>who decided to ONCE AGAIN create problems within
>our scene!  I'd like to think all the young
>"enlightened" souls who PROVED, possibly for the
>last time, that ravers ARE nothing more than drug-
>crazed lunatics.
>
>Oh, and I'd like to ESPECIALLY thank that once
>again, it was done in Indiana.
>
>
>Can't wait to go and fuck up Ohio's scene.
>
>
>-Jesse Houston
>
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> 
> Can't wait to go and fuck up Ohio's scene.
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Hey, sorry to do this to everyone...

Im still coming for GENCON and wanted to come see your smiling face =3D)

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On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 10:25:56AM -0500, FreakBoy wrote:
> Im still coming for GENCON and wanted to come see your smiling face =)

GENCON!?!?  FREAKBOY IS A NERD!  :P

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Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!

Hey, no problem.



>
>I'd like to PERSONALLY thank all the 150+ FUCKERS
>who decided to ONCE AGAIN create problems within
>our scene!  I'd like to think all the young
>"enlightened" souls who PROVED, possibly for the
>last time, that ravers ARE nothing more than drug-
>crazed lunatics.
>
>Oh, and I'd like to ESPECIALLY thank that once
>again, it was done in Indiana.
>
>
>Can't wait to go and fuck up Ohio's scene.
>
>
>-Jesse Houston
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!

News flash: the rave scene is all about drugs.

Well, duh.

You can whine "oh, it's about the music. I just want to grove and feel 
love," but the rave scene started in the UK with DRUGS and they will ALWAYS 
be a HUGE factor in its continuing existence.

If it's all about the music, have a freaking house party and listen to the 
music. Go to a night club to see your fav DJ, where the drugs are (usually) 
a lot more on the DL because of security. Or fucking stay in you room and 
keep whining with your headphones on.

>
>well I never said it made it okay...any drug arrests in the city of Paoli 
>are
>a big deal. Most of the arrests that were made would not have ever happened
>had it been in a more densely populated area, but you have to remember that
>the county that Paoli is in is the Poorest county in the state of Indiana 
>so
>this was an easy way for them to probably triple the revenue that the 
>county
>makes during the summer. As far as killing the scene in Indy goes, Indy has
>endured many attempts by the Media and Government to destroy their scene, 
>and
>this isn't the first Rave related problem in the City of Paoli, last year 
>at
>Real Family there were many, many arrests and a girl was almost killed 
>after
>getting ran over by a car, this was all big news all over the central area 
>of
>Indiana.
>
>Its a little idealistic to think that a 100% drug free rave will ever 
>happen
>on a large scale, I have friends that are into the Christian Rave scene and
>they tell me that there are drugs at those events also. In the now 9 years
>(damn I'm getting old) that I've been going to parties, there has never, 
>ever
>been a drug free party. Some of the first parties thrown in the US were all
>about the Music and getting fukked up on either Acid or E to help the music
>enlighten your mind and spirit.
>
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yeah since when was that not public knowledge
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> GENCON!?!?  FREAKBOY IS A NERD!  :P
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> yeah since when was that not public knowledge

Yesterday.

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The costume's been done for a while...  I'm just brushing up on my
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We all know you moved to be closer to gencon, Adam.  You're not fooling
anyone.

BTW, how's the klingon costume coming?

    -bill


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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/08/08/1740240&mode=thread

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In a message dated 8/8/00 11:46:16 AM !!!First Boot!!!, TekkgirIie@aol.com 
writes:

>     This shit happends EVERY weekend in every other state. Don't just say 
>  Indiana. 

Just because it happens everywhere else, doesn't
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Subject: [mw] Your son is dead.

Attention mw-ravers.
i have rejoined the list in order to be kept up to date on rumours and facts
about further this year.
please suspend all other topics of discussion until september 10th(allow 5-6
days for reviews please)
thank you
you all follow the rules and we'll make it through this just fine.

love, plur and 200 beats per minute
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Subject: [mw] NRR:  Ministry of Sound

This is not really rave-related, but it sort of is.

The Ministry of Sound, one of the biggest clubs and club organizations in the 
UK, is having a contest, called "Got enough mates to shout about?".  
Basically, you send grab enough email addressses, and send out invitations to 
a VIP party.  Whoever sends out the most invitations, actually get the VIP 
party at the Ministry of Sound.  I'm not sure who would be DJ'ing, but 
possible names that come to mind are Carl Cox, Pete Tong, Lisa Pin-Up, 
Fergie, Judge Jules,...  I'll have to check out more about that... anyway, I 
don't want to send anyone an unsolicited invitation, so if you anyone is 
intersted in helping out, please reply back.  All it really means is that you 
got a personal invitation to THE club, and you can delete it if you want.  
Thanks.

 - Soniq

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Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!..indiana??? b/s

<<btw:      if any of you are thinking about coming to my party fucked up, I 
would seriously hide from me....>>

IM not that blonde.. so
I should rephrase that... 

If you are thinking about coming to my party fucked up to the point everyone 
and their Mom can tell your on drugs...and all your gonna do is sit in a roll 
pit all night... I would seriously hide from me.

that is all.

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Subject: [mw] august 9th dayton

no one will be there to see us coz we are playing pretty early this
week...which may be for the best
but a slight correction for activ8
statler and waldorf will not be playing hardcore.
we weren't in the mood for it this time, so we will be playing
techno/downtempo/snobby dance music
chris de luca, aphex, etc

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Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!..indiana??? b/s

In a message dated 8/8/00 1:57:14 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
HouseBabylon@aol.com writes:

<< Just because it happens everywhere else, doesn't
 mean that Jesse, or anyone else, should be okay
 with it happening here. >>

Still blocking me Brandon..   how mature.
I didn't say "Be happy it happens here"  I said Don't just blame it on it 
being in Indiana, when its EVERYWHERE ELSE...
You think I like it?  Goddamn..but we should be happy its only happend in 
Indiana a few times, unlike cali, or florida when its on the news 24/7.


btw:      if any of you are thinking about coming to my party fucked up, I 
would seriously hide from me....

Lorie

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Subject: [mw] Test.. cuz mw-raves is on crack

my goddamn posts are postin outta order.

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In a message dated 8/8/00 3:00:13 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< so we will be playing
 techno/downtempo/snobby dance music >>

!hi5 micha and snobby dance music

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<< DAMMIT there goes my fuckin plan for that evening !!!!!
 what t he hell am i suposed to do at your "rave" now !!!!!
  >>


Amanda, your posta bitch about techno, and get paid for it.

duh

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if im gonna get paid for it ill bitch about techno like you have never seen 
someone bitch about techno...always been a dream of mine to get paid to do 
the things that i love to do :-)

-THE bitch iySyS-

P.S. can my staff tag thing say "head bitch" on it ???

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In a message dated 8/8/00 3:29:26 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< P.S. can my staff tag thing say "head bitch" on it ??? >>


but of course... 
Seriously...  thats what it will say...
 
hahaha

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Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!..indiana??? b/s

Next time I throw a party, i'll give you a laminate that says

"The Bitch"

and you can be on the vibe squad with Shawne.

Come on with it.

-R



>
>if im gonna get paid for it ill bitch about techno like you have never seen
>someone bitch about techno...always been a dream of mine to get paid to do
>the things that i love to do :-)
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Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!  (Young Enlightened Souls)

  Here we go again..

 Some of y'all take this stuff *way* too personally. A shady promoter and some small-town cops
ruined your weekend, so you blame two internet mailing lists and the entire state of Indiana?
Considering that we seem to get posts like this every time a party gets busted, and considering
that parties tend to get busted fairly regularly, hopefully we can avoid this in the future by
using a little common sense (optimism run amok). When a relatively unheard of (and pretty
kooky-sounding) promoter decides to throw some huge 3-day festival, maybe you should think twice
about attending. Aside from people promoting or running their own sound system, I don't know many
who went.. And even those people that I talked to before the event knew it was going to be a joke.
Point being, don't be afraid to stay home and read a book or something. There'll be another rave
next weekend, I promise. Learning to be *very* picky about who I support and which events I attend
is why I haven't given up in disgust after doing this for so damn long, and why I manage to
somehow find myself at the one rave in 50 that doesn't suck. This particular event looked like a
wanna-be Furthur* thrown by people I've never heard of, with performers I personally could care
less about. Of course I still end up at disappointing events, particularly where Richie Hawtin is
involved - but even in those cases you learn to make the most of it and not get all vindictive
about it; I still think Consumed is a brilliant album, and Kentucky has good weed and whiskey. 

 Another thing worth noting is that this scene, like most everything dynamic, goes in cycles.
Media attention and police crackdowns have happened at least every 2-3 years for as long as I've
been doing this. Every time it happens people start worrying about "the scene dying" and things go
underground for a while - people resort to house parties and small events until things blow over,
and the cycle starts anew. The ineffectiveness of the Criminal Justice Act in the UK should be an
example of how pointless it is to try to legislate a cultural phenomenon out of existence. In
fact, I've come to look at it these periodic crackdowns as a healthy weeding-out process in which
those with nothing to offer find a new flavor-of-the-month to amuse themselves.

 One last thought: The best revenge is living well. I believe that people get what's coming to
them and for me to interfere only pollutes my karma with theirs. I would suggest discovering a
healthy outlet for your negative energy rather than trying to find a way to manifest it into
consensus reality. Your anger may very well be justified, but use it wisely. Throw your own
events, maybe? Things don't always go the way you planned, but pointing fingers is a waste of time
and energy that could be better spent learning from the situation and making sure it doesn't
happen to you again.


* I think this year's Furthur looks like a wanna-be F.B.R.
 
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~mrchrist/fbr.gif

  No offense - all a matter of taste, ya understand..


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Subject: [mw] Re: [Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!]

oh yeah, like the police catch everyone with drugs.  just cuz the po nabb=
ed 1
in 20 kids, doesn't mean that they caught ALL the people with drugs!  it'=
s a
RAVE, duh, so probably 10 out of 20 kids had drugs on them, and 15 out of=
 20
were at least on something.  busting ravers for possession at a rave is e=
asier
than fishing with dynamite.  if only 1 in 20 kids really had drugs on the=
m,
then there would have been more like 10-15 arrests, not 150!!!

*ahem* ...not like i don't looove the scene or anything...  ;)

peace,
catnap  =




OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:
wow....damm...Bitter much? I don't know what the final count as far as ho=
w =

many people got through the gate at yes fest, but if there were close to =
the =

3000 that I'm hearing, then 150 drug related arrests aren't too bad...tha=
ts 1

in 20. I dont' care what scene you're into (except maybe the straight-edg=
e =

scene or the devout Christian scene) 1 in 20 people using or possessing d=
rugs

is a pretty low ratio. Go to a punk show, hippy gathering, high school ev=
ent,

or heavy-metal concert and I guarantee you get a worse ratio than that. H=
ell =

I think the last time a poll of High School Pot Users was over 50%. =


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DAMMIT there goes my fuckin plan for that evening !!!!!
what t he hell am i suposed to do at your "rave" now !!!!!

-THE bitch iySyS-


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>
><<btw:      if any of you are thinking about coming to my party fucked up, 
>I
>would seriously hide from me....>>
>
>IM not that blonde.. so
>I should rephrase that...
>
>If you are thinking about coming to my party fucked up to the point 
>everyone
>and their Mom can tell your on drugs...and all your gonna do is sit in a 
>roll
>pit all night... I would seriously hide from me.
>
>that is all.
>
>Lorie
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Subject: [mw] headroom, indy - this weekend.

Is anyone going to check these guys out?

I want details on their performance!!!

Lorie?

Lauryn?

Shiva?

Someone let me know.

I will be in Columbus.

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Subject: [mw] Gaetano Parisio in Cincinnati

Friday August 18th, 2000  >  Cincinnati, Ohio

An Intimate Evening with :

Gaetano Parisio a.k.a. Gaetek
Art Records, Conform - Naples, Italy


Gaetek has recorded for such widely acclaimed labels as
Drum Code, Conform, Art, Primate, Kobayashi, and Planet Rhythm.
Don't miss this master of minimal techno in an Ultra-rare U.S. appearance as 
part of his current world tour.

also performing:

Bob-a-dob (Clubhead)
React (Subsonik)
Oracle (Clubhead)

for information and directions call 513.648.9647 or 513.665.9999
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In a message dated 8/8/00 6:25:06 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
subsonik_pro@hotmail.com writes:

<< Is anyone going to check these guys out?
 
 I want details on their performance!!!
 
 Lorie?
 
 Lauryn?
 
 Shiva?
 
 Someone let me know.
 
 I will be in Columbus.
 
 -R >>


I will be there.
and I'll prolly be Square.

And You KNOW I will give full details on whether they were good or whether 
they sucked my left tit.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmuah.
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ive heard this rumor.. any1 to lay truth to it?

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Subject: [mw] Re: phatphest cancelled? - NO

I spoke with Tim Fowler on the phone earlier today.

He stated that Phat Phest IS NOT cancelled.

Phat phest will take place, as planned.



-R




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Let the discussion begin....

And I thought it was supposed to be on raves, not on 'e'....    Love how they 
failed to mention that its used in nightclubs and house parties.  That's 
about all I noticed.  I have other complaints, but I'll withold them for now. 
 At least they made some effort by contacting DanceSafe, but then tried to 
make him look like a crook.  At least he tries to educate people.

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This was a RE-RUN...from a few months ago.

I am completely over and done talking about it.

Cheers!

In a message dated 8/8/00 8:24:54 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
OneBadDJ@aol.com writes:

<< Let the discussion begin....
 
 And I thought it was supposed to be on raves, not on 'e'....    Love how 
they 
 failed to mention that its used in nightclubs and house parties.  That's 
 about all I noticed.  I have other complaints, but I'll withold them for 
now. 
  At least they made some effort by contacting DanceSafe, but then tried to 
 make him look like a crook.  At least he tries to educate people.
 
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Subject: Re: [mw] 60 Minutes

>I have other complaints, but I'll withold them for now.
>  At least they made some effort by contacting DanceSafe, but then tried to
>make him look like a crook.  At least he tries to educate people.
>
>  - Soniq
>

Do you think the report would have been balanced if they didn't include a 
commentary from the "other side," In this case the police, the people that 
oppose dance safe?

If it was just an interview with dancesafe and that was it would it be an 
accurate prtrayal of the world out there.

No.

In the real world, there is dancesafe, the kids and everyone else who 
doesn't think "drugs are bad mmmkay." And there are the police, parents and 
school counselors who think they are an abomination. That's reality.

I'm not saying the report made the rave scene look all that great, but it 
made it look pretty much like what it is: a wherehouse full of kids on 
drugs.

It was biased toward only talking about the drug portion of dance culture, 
but that's prime time journalism for you. It's not wholly there to educate 
or inform.

It's there to sell commercials.


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Subject: Re: [mw] phatphest cancelled?

BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahahahahahahahHAHHAhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaah...

There's a party called "phatfest"?!?

The rave scene is a stale cartoon of itself.


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>ive heard this rumor.. any1 to lay truth to it?
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Subject: [mw] Prince speaks

A compelling thesis, indeed...

>>
>>The truth from the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as
>>Prince. (In his special numeric "language" and all...)
>>
>>http://www.npgonlineltd.com/freedomnews.html
>>
>>4 The Love of Music:
>>2 Very Different Approaches
>>
>>   Real music lovers do not simply consume music. Real music
>>   lovers develop a special relationship with the works of the
>>   artists they like. At some point of their xploration of the
>>   music of a new artist, usually something "clicks" and triggers
>>   a whole process of discovery which involves wanting 2 hear
>>   everything the artist has ever put out (including b-sides,
>>   non-album contributions, etc.), wanting 2 hear it in the best
>>   possible conditions, wanting 2 hear live renditions of the
>>   music — and wanting 2 share this discovery with other
>>   people. They also feel that things like album packaging r an
>>   integral part of the musical experience, that the artwork, in
>>   so far as the artist has been involved in it, is an integral part
>>   of the artistic statement of a specific release and they want
>>   2 own an original copy of it so that they can xamine it from
>>   all angles, in search of clues, or bits of in4mation which
>>   might enhance their understanding and appreciation of the
>>   music.
>>
>>   On the other hand, some people just consume music. They
>>   want a copy of a song bcuz everyone else is in2 the song.
>>   They don't really care about top-notch sound quality, as long
>>   as it is more or less "CD quality." They don't really care
>>   about the rest of the contents of the album bcuz all they
>>   really like is the hit single that every radio station and music
>>   TV station is playing non-stop. They just want 2 b able 2
>>   listen 2 the track over and over again until they wear it out,
>>   they effectively consume it — and then turn 2 something
>>   else. They r not really interested in music as an art 4m, but
>>   rather as a 4m of disposable entertainment —always
>>   looking 4 the latest hit which is going 2 displace the
>>   previous chart topper in their social environment, so that
>>   they r sure they stay "hip" 2 the latest trend.
>>
>>   Those r 2 very different approaches 2 music. The trouble
>>   with the current system is that it is primarily designed 2
>>   meet the needs of music consumers and not of music
>>   lovers. There is some overlap, of course, and sometimes
>>   real musicians enjoy a fair amount of commercial success
>>   which indicates that they r benefiting from the system
>>   designed 4 music consumers, that their music is not only
>>   appealing 2 music lovers, but also 2 music consumers. This is
>>   fine with them as long as they don't have 2 compromise
>>   their artistic integrity. Un4tunately, once u become part of
>>   the music consuming system, u have 2 obey very different
>>   rules and many artists r, understandably, not comfortable
>>   with this, which creates all kinds of tensions after they have
>>   xperienced a certain amount of commercial success.
>>
>>   A Fundamental Hypocrisy
>>
>>   The fundamental hypocrisy of the music industry (and of
>>   some artists) in the current debate over the MP3 4mat,
>>   Napster and other 4ms of online xchange of music is that
>>   they r talking about copyright, intellectual property and
>>   other such noble concepts when the only thing that they r
>>   actually trying 2 protect is the commercial value of their
>>   musical "product."
>>
>>   It's indicative, 4 xample, that, in a recent interview with the
>>   Los Angeles Times, Time Warner President Richard Parsons
>>   would make comments such as these:
>>
>>             An increasing number of young people don't buy
>>             albums, so we are not only losing that
>>             immediate revenue. They are also growing up
>>             with a notion that music is free and ought to be
>>             free.
>>
>>   This statement deals with the relationship between music
>>   and the public from a purely commercial point of view.
>>   Nowhere in his statement is there any indication that what
>>   might happen with young people xchanging music is that
>>   they might develop a real appreciation of music in general
>>   and of certain artists in particular and turn out to b perfectly
>>   honest citizens who realize that artists should b
>>   compensated 4 their work and who will help make sure that
>>   they r. Nowhere is it mentioned that the fundamental
>>   reason y those "young people" r xchanging music online is
>>   that they r xcited about the music, that they r actually
>>   developing a sense of appreciation of what good music is.
>>
>>   Bcuz, of course, record companies don't really want the
>>   public 2 like good music. They want it 2 buy whatever
>>   "product" they come up with, whether it's musically good or
>>   bad. Record companies don't really want young people 2
>>   develop a sense of what good music is. Bcuz real music
>>   lovers don't consume music. They don't buy the latest chart
>>   topper just bcuz it's at the top of the charts. They don't
>>   really participate in that "system." They don't really
>>   generate significant revenue.
>>
>>   A Growing Frustration
>>
>>   What record companies don't really understand is that
>>   Napster is just one illustration of the growing frustration
>>   over how much the record companies control what music
>>   people get 2 hear — over how the air waves, record labels
>>   and record stores, which r now all part of this "system" that
>>   recording companies have pretty much succeeded in
>>   establishing, r becoming increasingly dominated by musical
>>   "products" 2 the detriment of real music.
>>
>>   When the only way 2 acquire some funky song from the
>>   1970s is 2 purchase some crappy, overpriced compilation
>>   put 2gether by the record company, with an ugly cover and
>>   a poor selection of 4gettable songs interspersed with a few
>>   gems, and when u don't even know whether the artist who
>>   recorded this funky song is actually getting any money from
>>   the sales of this compilation (which he is probably not even
>>   aware of), then it's no wonder that the real music lover will
>>   b interested in alternative ways of acquiring the song which
>>   might not involve purchasing the compilation from the record
>>   company. If the record company which owns the rights 2
>>   that song would actually re-release the original album
>>   featuring the song, with the original cover design, at a
>>   reasonable price and with a clear indication that the artist in
>>   question is actually benefiting from this re-release, then it
>>   would be another story. But the record company won't do it,
>>   bcuz it's not commercially viable.
>>
>>   So the real music lover looks 4 an MP3 of the song online,
>>   downloads it and burns it on2 a CD. He knows that he
>>   doesn't have a perfect copy of the song (MP3 is, after all, a
>>   sound 4mat which does involve a certain amount of loss in
>>   sound quality), and it is clear, in his mind, that if the original
>>   album is ever released under the above-mentioned
>>   conditions, he will purchase it, bcuz he wants 2 discover
>>   other, lesser known tracks by the artist that r not available
>>   online, bcuz he wants the best possible quality, bcuz he
>>   wants 2 xperience the original release in all its aspects
>>   (cover artwork, song selection, etc.) and bcuz he wants 2
>>   compensate the artist 4 his work. But y should the music
>>   lover have 2 wait 5 years, 10 years or even longer until the
>>   record company condescends 2 re-releasing the original
>>   work of the artist? Y should the record company have such
>>   control over how he, the music lover, wants 2 xperience the
>>   music?
>>
>>   A Cultural Dark Ages?
>>
>>   But the record company doesn't really care about all this. All
>>   it cares about is that "kids" on the Internet r downloading
>>   MP3s of the one hit song on the latest crappy release they
>>   put out with a huge promotional campaign, hoping 2 sell 2
>>   million copies of the album when there is actually only one
>>   decent song on it. They don't care about copyright
>>   infringement. They only care about lost sales.
>>
>>   When asked about Napster and the legal issue of whether it
>>   is infringing copyrights or not, the same Time Warner
>>   xecutive states:
>>
>>             I think this is a very profound moment
>>             historically. This isn't just about a bunch of kids
>>             stealing music. It's about an assault on
>>             everything that constitutes the cultural
>>             expression of our society. If we fail to protect
>>             and preserve our intellectual property system,
>>             the culture will atrophy. And corporations won't
>>             be the only ones hurt. Artists will have no
>>             incentive to create. Worst-case scenario: The
>>             country will end up in a sort of cultural Dark
>>             Ages.
>>
>>   It is rather ironic that he would talk about "preserving our
>>   intellectual property system." Isn't he the president of a
>>   company which has continually ripped off artists of their
>>   rights 2 their own music by retaining ownership of the
>>   master recordings and doing whatever they please with
>>   them without the consent of the artist or without
>>   compensating him? Is this the "intellectual property system"
>>   he is trying 2 preserve? Does he really believe that the
>>   current system, where artists get such a small share of the
>>   benefits from the sales of their music, is such a great
>>   "incentive 2 create"? Does he really think that what
>>   motivates an artist 2 create is the fact that record company
>>   xecutives r making millions off his back when he barely
>>   manages 2 scrape by even after selling hundreds of
>>   thousands of copies of his album?
>>
>>   It's a bit 2 easy 2 talk about an era of "cultural Dark Ages."
>>   The use of doom and gloom scenarios in the rhetoric of
>>   conservative, narrow-minded people is a well-known trick.
>>   What it really indicates is a lack of understanding of what's
>>   really at stake here. What motivates artists 2 create is
>>   artistic achievement, the feeling of having created
>>   something beautiful, and the ability 2 share this beauty with
>>   others. The notion of copyright was not invented by artists 2
>>   protect themselves from honest individuals sharing their
>>   enthusiasm about their work. It was invented by artists 2
>>   protect themselves from dishonest and hypocritical
>>   individuals and companies xploiting their work without their
>>   consent. 4 all we know, we might already b in a "cultural
>>   Dark Ages" where "music" has become synonymous with
>>   heaps of mindless musical "products" and real, authentic,
>>   inspired music has already been relegated 2 the fringes of
>>   society. And online music distribution might actually become
>>   a way 2 get out of this.
>>
>>   The Evolution Will B Digitized
>>
>>   The standards r still constantly evolving. New systems, new
>>   devices r constantly being developed as an alternative 2 the
>>   old ways of doing things and no one really knows the way
>>   things r going 2 evolve. But, from the point of view of the
>>   real music lover, what's currently going on can only b viewed
>>   as an xciting new development in the history of music. And,
>>   4tunately 4 him, there does not seem 2 b anything the old
>>   record companies can do about preventing this evolution
>>   from happening.
>>
>>   Yes, young people need 2 b educated about the fact that
>>   artists should b compensated 4 their work. But they don't
>>   need 2 b educated about how 2 hypocritically xploit artists
>>   by forcing them 2 participate in a system designed 2 sell
>>   product instead of sharing good music. Rather, they need 2
>>   b educated about how the record companies have xploited
>>   artists and abused their rights 4 so long and about the fact
>>   that online distribution is turning in2 a new medium which
>>   might enable artists 2 put an end 2 this xploitation. And, by
>>   the look of things, this will happen without the help or
>>   understanding of record company xecutives.
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Alex Hillinger
>>.....................
>>Groovetech
>>1417 10th Avenue
>>Seattle, WA 98122
>>.....................
>><206> 861-7611
>><206> 860-7691 fax
>>.....................
>>alex@groovetech.com
>>http://groovetech.com
>>
>>
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In a message dated 8/8/00 2:57:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<< Just because it happens everywhere else, doesn't
mean that Jesse, or anyone else, should be okay
with it happening here.

 >>

I dont' think it takes a brain surgeon to realize that's not what lorie 
meant....if you want to manipulate words, try these: Grow up

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In a message dated 8/8/00 10:00:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<< There's a party called "phatfest"?!?

The rave scene is a stale cartoon of itself.


 >>

Ken to top it off...you can buy presale tickets on Amazon.com


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Subject: Re: [mw] Prince speaks


Without a doubt, the most intelligently
thought out reply to the mp3 dilemma
that I've had the pleasure to read.

Exactly how I feel.  I have many downloaded
mp3s.  Almost every one of them is a b-side,
live version, or remix.  The few that aren't,
are off of albums that only have one or two
songs that I like.  How can you buy it if it's 
not available ?  Why do you want to buy 
it if you don't like the whole album ?  Who 
want's to support record companies who 
don't give two shits about the artist or 
the consumer unless there is money to 
be made ?

Long live Napster !

	- Joe


On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:11:21 EDT, Hugh G. Blaze wrote:

>A compelling thesis, indeed...
>
>>>
>>>The truth from the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known=
 as
>>>Prince. (In his special numeric "language" and all...)
>>>
>>>http://www.npgonlineltd.com/freedomnews.html
>>>
>>>4 The Love of Music:
>>>2 Very Different Approaches
>>>
>>>   Real music lovers do not simply consume music. Real music
>>>   lovers develop a special relationship with the works of the
>>>   artists they like. At some point of their xploration of the
>>>   music of a new artist, usually something "clicks" and triggers
>>>   a whole process of discovery which involves wanting 2 hear
>>>   everything the artist has ever put out (including b-sides,
>>>   non-album contributions, etc.), wanting 2 hear it in the best
>>>   possible conditions, wanting 2 hear live renditions of the
>>>   music - and wanting 2 share this discovery with other
>>>   people. They also feel that things like album packaging r an
>>>   integral part of the musical experience, that the artwork, in
>>>   so far as the artist has been involved in it, is an integral part
>>>   of the artistic statement of a specific release and they want
>>>   2 own an original copy of it so that they can xamine it from
>>>   all angles, in search of clues, or bits of in4mation which
>>>   might enhance their understanding and appreciation of the
>>>   music.
>>>
>>>   On the other hand, some people just consume music. They
>>>   want a copy of a song bcuz everyone else is in2 the song.
>>>   They don't really care about top-notch sound quality, as long
>>>   as it is more or less "CD quality." They don't really care
>>>   about the rest of the contents of the album bcuz all they
>>>   really like is the hit single that every radio station and music
>>>   TV station is playing non-stop. They just want 2 b able 2
>>>   listen 2 the track over and over again until they wear it out,
>>>   they effectively consume it - and then turn 2 something
>>>   else. They r not really interested in music as an art 4m, but
>>>   rather as a 4m of disposable entertainment -always
>>>   looking 4 the latest hit which is going 2 displace the
>>>   previous chart topper in their social environment, so that
>>>   they r sure they stay "hip" 2 the latest trend.
>>>
>>>   Those r 2 very different approaches 2 music. The trouble
>>>   with the current system is that it is primarily designed 2
>>>   meet the needs of music consumers and not of music
>>>   lovers. There is some overlap, of course, and sometimes
>>>   real musicians enjoy a fair amount of commercial success
>>>   which indicates that they r benefiting from the system
>>>   designed 4 music consumers, that their music is not only
>>>   appealing 2 music lovers, but also 2 music consumers. This is
>>>   fine with them as long as they don't have 2 compromise
>>>   their artistic integrity. Un4tunately, once u become part of
>>>   the music consuming system, u have 2 obey very different
>>>   rules and many artists r, understandably, not comfortable
>>>   with this, which creates all kinds of tensions after they have
>>>   xperienced a certain amount of commercial success.
>>>
>>>   A Fundamental Hypocrisy
>>>
>>>   The fundamental hypocrisy of the music industry (and of
>>>   some artists) in the current debate over the MP3 4mat,
>>>   Napster and other 4ms of online xchange of music is that
>>>   they r talking about copyright, intellectual property and
>>>   other such noble concepts when the only thing that they r
>>>   actually trying 2 protect is the commercial value of their
>>>   musical "product."
>>>
>>>   It's indicative, 4 xample, that, in a recent interview with the
>>>   Los Angeles Times, Time Warner President Richard Parsons
>>>   would make comments such as these:
>>>
>>>             An increasing number of young people don't buy
>>>             albums, so we are not only losing that
>>>             immediate revenue. They are also growing up
>>>             with a notion that music is free and ought to be
>>>             free.
>>>
>>>   This statement deals with the relationship between music
>>>   and the public from a purely commercial point of view.
>>>   Nowhere in his statement is there any indication that what
>>>   might happen with young people xchanging music is that
>>>   they might develop a real appreciation of music in general
>>>   and of certain artists in particular and turn out to b perfectly
>>>   honest citizens who realize that artists should b
>>>   compensated 4 their work and who will help make sure that
>>>   they r. Nowhere is it mentioned that the fundamental
>>>   reason y those "young people" r xchanging music online is
>>>   that they r xcited about the music, that they r actually
>>>   developing a sense of appreciation of what good music is.
>>>
>>>   Bcuz, of course, record companies don't really want the
>>>   public 2 like good music. They want it 2 buy whatever
>>>   "product" they come up with, whether it's musically good or
>>>   bad. Record companies don't really want young people 2
>>>   develop a sense of what good music is. Bcuz real music
>>>   lovers don't consume music. They don't buy the latest chart
>>>   topper just bcuz it's at the top of the charts. They don't
>>>   really participate in that "system." They don't really
>>>   generate significant revenue.
>>>
>>>   A Growing Frustration
>>>
>>>   What record companies don't really understand is that
>>>   Napster is just one illustration of the growing frustration
>>>   over how much the record companies control what music
>>>   people get 2 hear - over how the air waves, record labels
>>>   and record stores, which r now all part of this "system" that
>>>   recording companies have pretty much succeeded in
>>>   establishing, r becoming increasingly dominated by musical
>>>   "products" 2 the detriment of real music.
>>>
>>>   When the only way 2 acquire some funky song from the
>>>   1970s is 2 purchase some crappy, overpriced compilation
>>>   put 2gether by the record company, with an ugly cover and
>>>   a poor selection of 4gettable songs interspersed with a few
>>>   gems, and when u don't even know whether the artist who
>>>   recorded this funky song is actually getting any money from
>>>   the sales of this compilation (which he is probably not even
>>>   aware of), then it's no wonder that the real music lover will
>>>   b interested in alternative ways of acquiring the song which
>>>   might not involve purchasing the compilation from the record
>>>   company. If the record company which owns the rights 2
>>>   that song would actually re-release the original album
>>>   featuring the song, with the original cover design, at a
>>>   reasonable price and with a clear indication that the artist in
>>>   question is actually benefiting from this re-release, then it
>>>   would be another story. But the record company won't do it,
>>>   bcuz it's not commercially viable.
>>>
>>>   So the real music lover looks 4 an MP3 of the song online,
>>>   downloads it and burns it on2 a CD. He knows that he
>>>   doesn't have a perfect copy of the song (MP3 is, after all, a
>>>   sound 4mat which does involve a certain amount of loss in
>>>   sound quality), and it is clear, in his mind, that if the original=

>>>   album is ever released under the above-mentioned
>>>   conditions, he will purchase it, bcuz he wants 2 discover
>>>   other, lesser known tracks by the artist that r not available
>>>   online, bcuz he wants the best possible quality, bcuz he
>>>   wants 2 xperience the original release in all its aspects
>>>   (cover artwork, song selection, etc.) and bcuz he wants 2
>>>   compensate the artist 4 his work. But y should the music
>>>   lover have 2 wait 5 years, 10 years or even longer until the
>>>   record company condescends 2 re-releasing the original
>>>   work of the artist? Y should the record company have such
>>>   control over how he, the music lover, wants 2 xperience the
>>>   music?
>>>
>>>   A Cultural Dark Ages?
>>>
>>>   But the record company doesn't really care about all this. All
>>>   it cares about is that "kids" on the Internet r downloading
>>>   MP3s of the one hit song on the latest crappy release they
>>>   put out with a huge promotional campaign, hoping 2 sell 2
>>>   million copies of the album when there is actually only one
>>>   decent song on it. They don't care about copyright
>>>   infringement. They only care about lost sales.
>>>
>>>   When asked about Napster and the legal issue of whether it
>>>   is infringing copyrights or not, the same Time Warner
>>>   xecutive states:
>>>
>>>             I think this is a very profound moment
>>>             historically. This isn't just about a bunch of kids
>>>             stealing music. It's about an assault on
>>>             everything that constitutes the cultural
>>>             expression of our society. If we fail to protect
>>>             and preserve our intellectual property system,
>>>             the culture will atrophy. And corporations won't
>>>             be the only ones hurt. Artists will have no
>>>             incentive to create. Worst-case scenario: The
>>>             country will end up in a sort of cultural Dark
>>>             Ages.
>>>
>>>   It is rather ironic that he would talk about "preserving our
>>>   intellectual property system." Isn't he the president of a
>>>   company which has continually ripped off artists of their
>>>   rights 2 their own music by retaining ownership of the
>>>   master recordings and doing whatever they please with
>>>   them without the consent of the artist or without
>>>   compensating him? Is this the "intellectual property system"
>>>   he is trying 2 preserve? Does he really believe that the
>>>   current system, where artists get such a small share of the
>>>   benefits from the sales of their music, is such a great
>>>   "incentive 2 create"? Does he really think that what
>>>   motivates an artist 2 create is the fact that record company
>>>   xecutives r making millions off his back when he barely
>>>   manages 2 scrape by even after selling hundreds of
>>>   thousands of copies of his album?
>>>
>>>   It's a bit 2 easy 2 talk about an era of "cultural Dark Ages."
>>>   The use of doom and gloom scenarios in the rhetoric of
>>>   conservative, narrow-minded people is a well-known trick.
>>>   What it really indicates is a lack of understanding of what's
>>>   really at stake here. What motivates artists 2 create is
>>>   artistic achievement, the feeling of having created
>>>   something beautiful, and the ability 2 share this beauty with
>>>   others. The notion of copyright was not invented by artists 2
>>>   protect themselves from honest individuals sharing their
>>>   enthusiasm about their work. It was invented by artists 2
>>>   protect themselves from dishonest and hypocritical
>>>   individuals and companies xploiting their work without their
>>>   consent. 4 all we know, we might already b in a "cultural
>>>   Dark Ages" where "music" has become synonymous with
>>>   heaps of mindless musical "products" and real, authentic,
>>>   inspired music has already been relegated 2 the fringes of
>>>   society. And online music distribution might actually become
>>>   a way 2 get out of this.
>>>
>>>   The Evolution Will B Digitized
>>>
>>>   The standards r still constantly evolving. New systems, new
>>>   devices r constantly being developed as an alternative 2 the
>>>   old ways of doing things and no one really knows the way
>>>   things r going 2 evolve. But, from the point of view of the
>>>   real music lover, what's currently going on can only b viewed
>>>   as an xciting new development in the history of music. And,
>>>   4tunately 4 him, there does not seem 2 b anything the old
>>>   record companies can do about preventing this evolution
>>>   from happening.
>>>
>>>   Yes, young people need 2 b educated about the fact that
>>>   artists should b compensated 4 their work. But they don't
>>>   need 2 b educated about how 2 hypocritically xploit artists
>>>   by forcing them 2 participate in a system designed 2 sell
>>>   product instead of sharing good music. Rather, they need 2
>>>   b educated about how the record companies have xploited
>>>   artists and abused their rights 4 so long and about the fact
>>>   that online distribution is turning in2 a new medium which
>>>   might enable artists 2 put an end 2 this xploitation. And, by
>>>   the look of things, this will happen without the help or
>>>   understanding of record company xecutives.
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>Alex Hillinger
>>>.....................
>>>Groovetech
>>>1417 10th Avenue
>>>Seattle, WA 98122
>>>.....................
>>><206> 861-7611
>>><206> 860-7691 fax
>>>.....................
>>>alex@groovetech.com
>>>http://groovetech.com
>>>
>>>
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to bad its not more like itchy and scratchy


In a message dated 8/8/00 11:28:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, OLeSkL writes:

<< <<  There's a party called "phatfest"?!?
 
 The rave scene is a stale cartoon of itself. >>


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Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!! (breakin it down for ya'll)

>Point being, don't be afraid to stay home and read a book or something.

Hear, hear.

There'll be another rave
>next weekend, I promise.

I'm almost at the point where I hope not...

Learning to be *very* picky about who I support and which events I attend
>is why I haven't given up in disgust after doing this for so damn long, and 
>why I manage to
>somehow find myself at the one rave in 50 that doesn't suck.

Again, hear hear.

This particular event looked like a
>wanna-be Furthur* thrown by people I've never heard of, with performers I 
>personally could care
>less about. Of course I still end up at disappointing events, particularly 
>where Richie Hawtin is
>involved - but even in those cases you learn to make the most of it and not 
>get all vindictive
>about it; I still think Consumed is a brilliant album, and Kentucky has 
>good weed and whiskey.
>
>  Another thing worth noting is that this scene, like most everything 
>dynamic, goes in cycles.
>Media attention and police crackdowns have happened at least every 2-3 
>years for as long as I've
>been doing this. Every time it happens people start worrying about "the 
>scene dying" and things go
>underground for a while - people resort to house parties and small events 
>until things blow over,
>and the cycle starts anew. The ineffectiveness of the Criminal Justice Act 
>in the UK should be an
>example of how pointless it is to try to legislate a cultural phenomenon 
>out of existence. In
>fact, I've come to look at it these periodic crackdowns as a healthy 
>weeding-out process in which
>those with nothing to offer find a new flavor-of-the-month to amuse 
>themselves.

a man after my own heart. Okay this is almost getting plurry, I'll just 
stop.



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In a message dated 8/9/00 1:03:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, House Babylon 
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<< Oh, yeah, that was really mature of you...

and old skool to boot.

fuck off.

-Chocolate >>

wow that was really mature and original of you Chocolate. Its people like you 
that make me happy that i have a personal ban on indy parties unless someone 
I know is personally involved. Of course the fact that you are well known 
around the midwest as someone who throws a fit whenever someone that isn't 
one of the "big indy promoters" (if there is such a thing anymore) tries to 
throw a party. 

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In a message dated 8/9/00 3:29:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!, OLeSkL@aol.com writes:

> I dont' think it takes a brain surgeon to realize that's not what lorie 
>  meant....if you want to manipulate words, try these: Grow up
>  
>  shawne

Then by all means, O' great and Wonderful All Knowing and
Understanding Mature One, please enlighten me as to what
Lorie meant.

Oh, and then remind me how calling people out is a sign of
maturity, since you wanna try and step and all.  You know 
what, never mind.

It don't matter.

-Chocolat

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Subject: [mw] Wow.   ANOTHER sign of maturity (Was [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!..indiana)s

In a message dated 8/9/00 5:10:40 AM !!!First Boot!!!, OLeSkL@aol.com writes:

> In a message dated 8/9/00 1:03:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, House Babylon 
>  writes:
>  
>  
>  << Oh, yeah, that was really mature of you...
>  
>  and old skool to boot.
>  
>  fuck off.
>  
>  -Chocolate >>
>  
>  wow that was really mature and original of you Chocolate. Its people like 
> you 
>  that make me happy that i have a personal ban on indy parties unless 
someone 
> 
>  I know is personally involved. Of course the fact that you are well known 
>  around the midwest as someone who throws a fit whenever someone that isn't 
>  one of the "big indy promoters" (if there is such a thing anymore) tries 
to 
>  throw a party. 
>  
>  shawne
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WOW!


And even managed to PUBLICALLY post what I had PRIVATELY sent.

wow...

The signs of maturity from MrOldest-of-all-OldSkools is EARTH SHATTERING.


Can't wait for what OTHER show of maturity and wonder he has to show.

I've been responding to him privately, let's see if he is "mature" enough
to continue on that route.

Though, for some reason, I doubt it.


-Chocolate

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kay guys. take it private please. your grudges are flooding my mailbox.

love,
jaimmie

> > I dont' think it takes a brain surgeon to realize that's not what lorie 
> >  meant....if you want to manipulate words, try these: Grow up
> >  
> >  shawne
> 
> Then by all means, O' great and Wonderful All Knowing and
> Understanding Mature One, please enlighten me as to what
> Lorie meant.
> 
> Oh, and then remind me how calling people out is a sign of
> maturity, since you wanna try and step and all.  You know 
> what, never mind.
> 
> It don't matter.
> 
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The deadline for guestlist requests from industry folks has been 
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If you are a promoter, DJ, artist, designer et al and are trying 
to get on the guest list, you MUST e-mail PhysixMultiMedia@aol.com
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If you have NOT made such a request and been approved you
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Then by all means, O' great and Wonderful All Knowing and
Understanding Mature One, please enlighten me as to what
Lorie meant.

Oh, and then remind me how calling people out is a sign of
maturity, since you wanna try and step and all.  You know 
what, never mind.

It don't matter.

-Chocolat

First of all, you've shown several times on this list that you do not like lorie or lauryn cuz they are throwing a party in "your" town, even tho they will both be living very close to indy this year. So you twisting lories words around to make her look dumb is very much your style, you're quite the spiteful little man. Second of all it was obvious to anyone that has a brain that isn't just used for being petty that Lorie was stating that as far as the scene in this area goes, people shouldn't come down on it so hard. We're alot better off than the scenes that I've seen in around the country and have heard about in Florida and Atlanta. I even stuck up for you beloved Indy scene earlier by saying that it would take more than the events of Yes Fest to kill the scene in Indy. Indy has always been a very resilient scene (thanks greatly to Rick Thompson and Erin).Now as far as you wanting me to step...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...thats not a wise thing to tell me to do as several!
 people on this list would advise you of.

you're toooooo petty
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/me wishes stevie t would blame something on the gov't or the drug dealers
right now instead of having to listen to this.

-t

ps - "you ain't bad, you ain't nothin'!" - michael jackson

-----Original Message-----
From: HouseBabylon@aol.com
Subject: [mw] Speaking of Assholes (Was: [mw] Thanks
Assholes!!!!..indiana??? )


In a message dated 8/9/00 3:29:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!, OLeSkL@aol.com
writes:

> I dont' think it takes a brain surgeon to realize that's not what lorie 
>  meant....if you want to manipulate words, try these: Grow up
>  
>  shawne

Then by all means, O' great and Wonderful All Knowing and
Understanding Mature One, please enlighten me as to what
Lorie meant.

Oh, and then remind me how calling people out is a sign of
maturity, since you wanna try and step and all.  You know 
what, never mind.

It don't matter.

-Chocolat

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Subject: RE: [mw] Speaking of Assholes (Was:  [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!..in diana??? )

SO DO I!!!!!!!!!

maybe I'll get a screen name like TheLordsShepherd@aol.com and talk about how the government conspired to kill my goat.

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Subject: [mw] (Ooops)  Re: GuestList for Industry Folks -- Deadline Extended -- Th...

Sorry, this is the party that the last message was for.

REBIRTH OF THE FLESH
the Pajama Jama Jam (pt2)

Saturday, August 12
Indianapolis Indiana

House of Babylon BROductions of Indianapolis and 
Physix Records combine to bring you the second in 
the Pajama Jama Jam series -- Rebirth of the Flesh!
This year, we're featuring talent from across the Atlantic
as well as two DJs on the verge of world domination!

Join us in this celebration -- proving once and for all 
that Indy can party responsibly -- but still party HARD!

Last year, over 1000 party goers journeyed to PILLOW TALK,
the first in the Pajama Jama Jam series.  This year, in 
anticipation of an even larger turnout, we have secured a
venue capable of holding up to 1500+ stark-ravin' mad
partykids and clubkids, all sportin' their PJs for the sake of
"eye candy"!!!

This is your opportunity to actually be a part of the vibe.  All
we can do is book the talent, space, sound and lighting.  We 
can only provide part of the ingrediants that make up a killer
event!  The rest is up to you!

You know the drill:   Pajama suits, boxers 'n' socks, baby-t's, 
negligee's, tidy whities (clean), teddies...  Whatever you wear
going to bed, even if it's just gym shorts and a t-shirt -- it's all
acceptable here tonight.  But, remember:  There are laws 
regarding public decency -- so let's not be stupid!  Skin is 
appreciated, but too much may land us in some serious trouble!

This event is $20 if you adhere to the dresscode.   $25 if you 
do not.  Please, be a part of this special night!  Dress for the 
occassion!  

Remember, everyone:  There is more to this than the drugs!  
These parties are NOT simply a place where you can go and 
get as high as you see fit!  You must start policing yourself
and each other before others do.  Chicago has taken a hit.
Toronto.  Orlando.  LA.  SanFran.  If we do not moderate
ourselves others will -- and their form of moderation is to 
wipe our scene -- our community -- off the face of this Earth.
We cannot let that happen.  Again, Indy can (and does) 
party hard.  but most importantly, we must party responsibly!


Performing in their Skivvies:

HEADROOM *   
Compound/Shokoy/Evil Deception
Sweden

Pioneers of the Swedish techno sound -- immortalized 
by the likes of Cari Lekebusch, Adam Beyer, Misstress
Barbara, Ritchie Hawtin, and many others.  The beats
are driving and jackin'.  Their rhythms are both complex
and funky!  Full of the drummy, percussion-drivin' layers
that we all know and love, Headroom will throw down a
serious 3 x 6 in this, their first EVER appearance in the 
United States!!  Prepare to witness the rebirth!

ANGEL ALANIS
Contaminated/UC Afterhours/Catalyst
Chicago

His track "Chi's revenge" on Terry Mullen's CATALYST 
label is the fast-selling track ever put out on that label.  
He is considered by most to be the hardest, most sought-
after house/techno producer/Dj in the US today!  On this
special night, he makes a very rare appearance in the 
MidWest to slam some of the hottest most underground
house/tech-house/techno tracks you've YET to hear!

SUBMERGE 101
Contaminated 
Chicago

A rising star of the Chicago techno scene, Submerge 101
has been rocking the decks for nearly 4 years, now -- playaing
all over the US, Canada, and Europe (not to mention Japan).
He brings his tonal, driving techno to indy for the first time
ever - sure to not dissappoint!

MIKE DONOVAN
Bounce Theory
Dayton

Big Mike D is a staple in Ohio's rave underground.  Having 
thrown some of the higher-vibed parties in Ohio along with
partner-in-crime Ali Obvious, Mike returns to Indy (having
not played here since 1999's MARTIAL LAW) to throw down
some techno beats, laced with the head fuck of progression
and the soul of house!

CHOCOLATE: The Freaky AfroNaut * 
House of Babylon/Physix/Log2 SoundSystemDjs
Earth

Once again, pilotting the Mothership, The Freaky AfroNaut
returns from his mission to Uranus, explore new boundries in
sound and rhythm!  He returns to teach us a lesson in pure
unbriddles funk!  Who else can go from techno to house to
breaks and back again other than the B'Killa Maka o' Scrilla!
The Wonderous Adventurour Virgin Surgeon -- The Freaky
AfroNaut!!!!

K-STEP * 
House of Babylon/SubWarped/Log2SoundSystemDJs
Indy

K-Step is straight blowin' the fuck up!  From placing in the 
top 20 in the regional DMC finals to educatin' the masses
in tricknological turntablism!  K-Step will be dropping the
latest in funky Jazz-Step, mixed with his signature Jump-Up
and his amazing sratching!  Watch those hands!!!  

KOROVA *
House of Babylon
Indy

The latest in the House of Babylon crew, Korova explores
regions of techno and house that no man has explored 
before!  Already receiving an assload of booking requests,
you'll soon understand why this kid is about to knock the
electronic world on it's arse!  (Damn, you turned me
British up in this mutha' fucka!!)


Time Table
10-11       Korova
11-12.5    Mike D.
12.5-1.5   Submerge 101
1.5-3.5     Headroom 3 x 6
3.5-5        Angel Alanis
5-6           K-Step
6-7           Chocolate

PHYSIX RECORDS
PhysixRecords@aol.com
317 767 4994

HOUSE OF BABYLON
HouseBabylon@aol.com
317 592 9236

Awesome lighting and thunderous sound
will be provided by Log2SoundSystem!  

Visual mixing will be performed by AutoFX,
from Florida, doing mind-bending visuals 
the way they are meant to be!

All guest list requests must be e-mailed to 
PhysixMultiMedia@aol.com no later than
Aug 7th.  There will be no walk-ups allowed!
If you did not receive written or expressed
confirmation, then you are not on the 
guest list.  

All DJs denoted with a * can be 
booked via Physix Booking & Artist Management
at 317 496 7275 or PhysixBAM@aol.com.

If you would like to be on our e-mail-based mailing
lsit and receive concise updates on all House of 
Babylon events and Physix Records releases, 
please e-mail us at HouseBabylon@aol.com.

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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< me wishes stevie t would blame something on the gov't 
or the drug dealers right now instead of having to listen to this. >>

ask and ye shall recieve...

Forwarded Message: 
Subj:    {pb-cle} Write your congressman about the e-mail charge!
Date:   8/8/00 2:37:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   twine_sound@hotmail.com (Twine sound)
To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org

Find your congressman here:

http://www.mfghome.org/GA_find_congressman.html

And write to him about this:

Subject: e-mail
VOTE NO ON Bill 602P!!!!

     I guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill
602P 5-cents per E-mail Sent. It figures! No more free
E-mail! We knew this was coming!! Bill 602P will
permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent
charge on every delivered  E-mail.

      Please read the following carefully if you
intend to stay online, and continue using E-mail. The
last few months have revealed an alarming trend in the
Government of the United States attempting to quietly
push through legislation that will affect our use of the Internet.
     Under proposed legislation, the US Postal
Service will be attempting to bill E-mail users out of
"alternative postage fees". Bill 602P will permit the
Federal Government to charge a 5-cent surcharge on
every E-Mail delivered, by billing Internet Service
Providers at source. The consumer would then be billed in turn
by  the  ISP.
    Washington DC lawyer Richard Stepp is
working without pay to prevent this legislation from
becoming law. The US Postal Service is claiming lost
revenue, due to the proliferation of E-mail, is
costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. You
may have noticed their recent ad campaign: "There is
nothing like a letter."

      Since the average person received about 10
pieces of E-mail per day in 1998, the cost of the
typical individual would be an additional 50 cents a
day - or over $180 per year - above and beyond their
regular Internet costs. Note that this would be money
paid directly to the US Postal Service for a service
they do not even provide. The whole point of the
Internet is democracy and noninterference. You are
already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail
because of bureaucratic efficiency. It currently takes
up to 6 days for a letter to be delivered from coast
to coast. If the US Postal Service is allowed to
tinker with E-mail, it will mark the end of the "free"
Internet in the United States. Our congressional
representative, Tony Schnell (r) has even suggested a
"$20-$40 per month surcharge on all Internet service"
above and beyond the governments proposed E-mail charges

      Note that most of the major newspapers have
ignored the story - the only exception being the
Washingtonian - which called the idea of E-mail
surcharge "a useful concept who's time has come"
(March 6th, 1999 Editorial).

      Do not sit by and watch your freedom erode
away! Send this to E-mail to EVERYONE on your list,
and tell all your friends and relatives write their
congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill
602P. It will only take a few moments of your time and
  could very well be instrumental in killing a bill we do not
want.
Please forward!



Chad Mossholder
Twine/Twinesound Audio Productions

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Subject: [mw] Fw: [GV-scene] Cyberfest Cali Review


 Forwarded Message: 
 Subj:   {pb-cle} Fw: [GV-scene] Cyberfest Cali Review
 Date:  8/8/00 7:51:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:  kelly@downlow.net (Kelly)
 To:    pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org
 
 
 
 
 
 > >AND THEY PARTIED ALL NIGHT PERFORMERS, PEDDLERS, POLICE OFFICERS AND
 20,000
 > >PARTYGOERS PACK DANCE BASH.
 > >Matthew Kreamer, Kimi Yoshino and Pablo Lopez THE FRESNO BEE
 > >
 > >Cyberfest 2000, the controversial all-night bash that secured new life in
 > >Fresno after being tossed out of a Bay Area venue, began slowly Saturday
 > >before blossoming into the largest dance party in the city's history.
 > >
 > >More than 20,000 people braved 97-degree afternoon heat and flocked to
 the
 > >Fresno Fairground, most saying it's about time the city hosted such a
 > >youth-friendly event.
 > >
 > >
 > >"Fresno is alive -- finally," said Fresnan Donny Wedekind.
 > >
 > >Wedekind, 22, also known to his friends as "Yahbo" -- or short, little,
 fat
 > >kid -- sported huge Mickey Mouse gloves and contact lenses that glowed in
 > >the dark like a werewolf's.
 > >
 > >Saturday's standard fashion? Anything goes, as long as it glows. From
 wild
 > >pink and orange hair to beaded bracelets and necklaces, young people
 > adorned
 > >themselves in neon.
 > >
 > >Besides psychedelic fashion, they spouted philosophy.
 > >
 > >"Haven't you ever heard of PLUR?" asked Fresno resident Jeff "Beeker"
 > >Wedekind, 20, Yahbo's brother. PLUR stands for peace, love, unity and
 > >respect, the raver's mantra.
 > >
 > >"That's the best thing about raving: no racial barriers."
 > >
 > >Jeff Wedekind draped himself in neon necklaces and bracelets made of
 > >glow-in-the-dark plastic beads and little fur balls that seemed more
 suited
 > >for Mardi Gras than Cyberfest.
 > >
 > >"Candy is all my beads. That's how you make friends," Wedekind explained.
 > On
 > >one wrist, the candy to give away. On the other, his loot.
 > >
 > >"It's about good vibe," said Cherie "Kit Kat" Donald, 21.
 > >
 > >If "vibe" translates into beat, then things were really booming Saturday
 > >night. Inside the indoor arenas where DJs spun records to flashing
 > >laser-light shows, the music pounded so loud it made the windows rattle.
 > >
 > >Six different venues provided ample opportunity for more than 60
 performers
 > >spinning mostly techno and house beats. Outside the buildings, rows of
 > >vendors sold hats, T-shirts and a selection of standard fairground food.
 > >People cheered at demonstrations of BMX biking and skateboarding on a
 > >half-pipe. A few carnival rides were set up near the back.
 > >
 > >The festival drew only about 5,000 by 6 p.m., but by 9 p.m. the Chance
 > >Street entrance got so busy it had to be temporarily shut down. People
 from
 > >as far away as Russia were expected to attend. Partygoers from Southern
 > >California and the Bay Area were commonplace.
 > >
 > >At 11 p.m., Chance Street was closed to traffic because the line outside
 > the
 > >gate was hundreds deep with people waiting to get inside.
 > >
 > >"This is the perfect use for our fairgrounds. It looks like everybody's
 > >having a real good time out there," said Scott Anderson, CEO of The Big
 > >Fresno Fair. "Maybe people will start recognizing Fresno as more than
 just
 > a
 > >city in the middle of the state where nothing ever happens."
 > >
 > >Although the festival ran smoothly late into the night, many early
 arriving
 > >attendees weren't pleased when they learned they had to wait in line more
 > >than an hour past the event's original start time. The mega-party was
 > >scheduled to start at 2 p.m. Security officers began patting down and
 > >admitting partygoers around 3:15 p.m. The end time was bumped from 6 a.m.
 > to
 > >4 a.m.
 > >
 > >Attendees also weren't too happy when security told them large backpacks
 > >weren't allowed inside. Many had to take extra things back to their cars.
 > >
 > >Some people waited all morning to get inside. Mia Taylor, 18, of San
 Diego
 > >held the first spot in line, which she earned by arriving at 10:30 a.m.
 > >Taylor and two friends left San Diego early Saturday.
 > >
 > >"If we come all this way, we're going to be the first in line," Taylor
 > said.
 > >"We get to use the Porta Potties first."
 > >
 > >Taylor said most people come to massive parties such as this for the
 music
 > >and to meet new people. She said drugs would probably be around, but
 that's
 > >no different than what partygoers find at similar venues elsewhere.
 > >
 > >Drugs were indeed around -- as evidenced by the marijuana smoke that
 > >sometimes wafted through the crowd -- but Fresno police appeared to do a
 > >good job keeping illegal substances to a minimum.
 > >
 > >"There's a balance officers have to use to make sure drugs don't come
 into
 > >the fairgrounds," Lt. Robert Nevarez said. "We can't go around using
 > Gestapo
 > >tactics. We have to protect the civil rights of everyone. We also have to
 > >make sure the fairgrounds are safe for everyone, and I think we're doing
 a
 > >good job at that."
 > >
 > >Nevarez said no violence had been reported and no weapons had been found
 by
 > >11 p.m. during searches at the entrance gates. He said there were no
 > reports
 > >of trouble outside the fairground, either.
 > >
 > >Security was tight at the Chance Street entrance. Officers holding
 > >metal-detector wands searched for weapons. Many partygoers had their
 > >clothing and shoes searched. Although people were told they couldn't
 bring
 > >in backpacks, some partygoers threw them over the fence to waiting
 friends.
 > >
 > >If the trick inside the gates was dodging security, the trick outside was
 > >finding a place to park.
 > >
 > >Charles Garabedian was charging $10 per car at a lot on Butler Avenue.
 > >
 > >"Right now, this is pretty slow. This is pathetic," Garabedian said at 6
 > >p.m. But by 6:30, cars started filing in, one after another, and
 partygoers
 > >in fluorescent wigs, cargo pants and raver accessories such as bead
 > >necklaces, pacifiers and glow sticks started coming out of their cars.
 > >Within 15 minutes, 10 additional cars had parked in the lot.
 > >
 > >Cyberfest 2000 -- originally planned for Santa Clara -- was moved to
 Fresno
 > >less than two weeks ago when Santa Clara County officials decided against
 > >allowing the use of the fairground there.
 > >
 > >When Santa Clara scrapped the event, Fresno County quickly scooped it up
 > >while promising a safe event. The Big Fresno Fair receives $1 from each
 > >admission, with sponsor Coolworld.com paying for security.
 > >
 > >Coolworld, which stands to make quite a bit of cash from the event,
 didn't
 > >hesitate to accept those terms.
 > >
 > >"It's been nice here; Fresno has welcomed us like we're family and
 > hopefully
 > >Fresno will invite us back," said Coolworld vice president Marco
 Traversa.
 > >
 > >Traversa said the festival cost about $500,000 to organize. With ticket
 > >sales topping $800,000, the company stands to make a nifty profit.
 > >
 > >Bee staff writers Joan Obra and Amy McFall contributed to this report.
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >THE FRESNO BEE Published Sunday, July 23, 2000 Section: MAIN NEWS Page


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Subject: RE: [mw] Speaking of Assholes (Was:  [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!..in
 diana??? )

i hope you're kidding.

but, this is where i'll step in and suggest otherwise.  i may have to
start manually approving subscriptions because of stevie... i'm thinking
that could be a pain in the ass.

oh look, here's a message from him now.  thanks tony.

chad

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:

> SO DO I!!!!!!!!!
> 
> maybe I'll get a screen name like TheLordsShepherd@aol.com and talk
> about how the government conspired to kill my goat.
> 
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Subject: [mw] and now for your viewing pleasure stevie & nick christ's chat on aol...

 NicholasChrist:     stevie t, you rock!! 
 Elijah451:  huh? 
 NicholasChrist:     you rock! 
 Elijah451:  actually i wanna kill somebody right about now!! 
 NicholasChrist:     before i thought you were annoying, but now i realize 
that you are one of the funniest and smartest people on the list. 
 NicholasChrist:     what?  why? 
 Elijah451:  i think i wanna decimate the entire nation & start from scratch 
again! 
 NicholasChrist:     do it!@ 
 Elijah451:  i don't think people realize most of the world should be dead by 
now! 
 NicholasChrist:     i totally know what you're talking about. 
 NicholasChrist:     if i had an atomic bomb i'd blow america to hell. 
 Elijah451:  actually there are enough atom bombs in this world to destroy 
earth six times over! 
 Elijah451:  and they still wanna build more! 
 NicholasChrist:     yeah i just need one of em in my hands... 
 NicholasChrist:     stevie were you born a us citizen or did you become one 
after you were born? 
 NicholasChrist:     i'm just wondering if you could ever be president. 
 Elijah451:  i wuz born in the city w/ the highest crime rate & mafia per 
capital 
 NicholasChrist:     detroit? 
 Elijah451:  no, youngstown, ohio...there wuz just a seg on 20/20 about it 
 NicholasChrist:     oh i don't usually watch tv except for howard stern and 
scrambled porn when i'm in the mood 
 NicholasChrist:     the porn you posted to mw-raves was wack man! 
 NicholasChrist:     i'll get you some good porn... 
 Elijah451:  my parents were poor as fuck & that wuz the cheapest city to 
live in at the time due to the high crime rate there 
 Elijah451:  i've seen good porn, that wuz just the porn site my ex roommates 
worked for 
 Elijah451:  my parents were abused the fuk outta cuz they were asian 
 Elijah451:  which was eventually why they had to move to cali 
 Elijah451:  i thought things had changed, but they just hide it better now 
 NicholasChrist:     <A HREF="http://www.famouspornstars.com">www.famouspornst
ars.com </A> NicholasChrist:     america sucks, it's such a shit hole. 
 Elijah451:  i'm sorry, but i fucking hate white people now, especially 
greedy fat rich ones! 
 NicholasChrist:     i'd say a good 80% of all white people are racist, but 
just hide it because it's not PC to use words like "nigger" and "jap" 
 NicholasChrist:     don't hate all white people 
 Elijah451:  i have everyone equally now 
 Elijah451:  everybody is evil as hell 
 Elijah451:  i've yet to meet any decent souled people the whole time i've 
been here in columbus 
 Elijah451:  everybody is selfish & greedy & puts everybody else down 
 NicholasChrist:     i think it's the same everywhere in the us 
 Elijah451:  now they succeeded they made me just like them 
 Elijah451:  no,  columbus has got to be the worst hell hole any where! 
 NicholasChrist:     then move away 
 NicholasChrist:     move to wi 
 NicholasChrist:     i like wi a lot 
 Elijah451:  i can't...this city raped me so hard, i can't afford to move!! 
 Elijah451:  so i cursed this whole damn city!! 
 Elijah451:  i'm allowed to cuz i saved the city during Y2K 
 NicholasChrist:     hmmm i dunno then you're kinda fucked 
 Elijah451:  as the saviour, i am divinely gifted with the right to curse 
with the hand of God! 
 Elijah451:  and i am taking my wrath on this hell hole of a city!! 
 Elijah451:  you should've seen the storm last night!  it was beautiful! 
 Elijah451:  all kindsa floods & tornadoes around here now!! 
 Elijah451:  and the accidents are at an all time high this year!! 
 NicholasChrist:     we had a tornado around here once, it ripped the roof 
off a nursing home like 2 miles from my house 
 Elijah451:  big whoop, there's been like 3-4 major tornadoes here so far! 
 Elijah451:  they oppressed the fuk outta of me, so i took it out on them w/ 
my curses!! 
 NicholasChrist:     shit in their eye sockets! 
 Elijah451:  uh, no, i'm not that gross! 
 Elijah451:  are you posting this to the list? 
 NicholasChrist:     no 
 Elijah451:  lol, too bad 
 NicholasChrist:     why? 
 Elijah451:  it's funny shit! 
 NicholasChrist:     oh.  hey do you take most of the stuff you say seriously 
or do you do it just because you are a fuckin mastermind at pushin people's 
buttons? 
 NicholasChrist:     i'm not saying that anything you've said has offended 
me, but people on the list go ape shit whenever you post. 
 Elijah451:  everything i say is serious!! 
 Elijah451:  unless i am obviousl;y joking! 
 NicholasChrist:     ok cool i agree with a good bit of it, probably over 
half, but maybe not the messiah stuff and what not. 
 NicholasChrist:     but i find it funny. 
 Elijah451:  i did not choose to be the chosen one or to be born with the 
stigmata!!...do you think it's fun being the ultimate martyr, the final test 
of faith, and pay for all of man's sins? 
 Elijah451:  you can not even fathom the toll it has taken on me!! 
 NicholasChrist:     why don't you retire? 
 Elijah451:  one does not retire from this...it is continual!! 
 Elijah451:  until people open their eyes to see what is really going on!! 
 NicholasChrist:     do you have special powers? 
 Elijah451:  i have to continue suffering for their sins!! 
 Elijah451:  yes, i can alter fate, i can bring love as well as hate, i can 
alter the weather according to my moods, i can heal as well as curse! 
 NicholasChrist:     will  you curse me? 
 Elijah451:  no, i have no reason to right now 
 NicholasChrist:     damn.  what do i gotta do to get cursed? 
 Elijah451:  uh, i don't think you want to be cursed! 
 NicholasChrist:     just tell me what i have to do! 
 Elijah451:  for instance, my curses have brough about pain & suffering w/ 
other family memebers, freak accidents, illness, severe bad luck!! 
 NicholasChrist:     i know just tell me what i have to do to get one. 
 NicholasChrist:     i didn't say i was going to do it, i'm just wondering 
what i'd have to do. 
 Elijah451:  don't be stupid, nobody in their right mind would want to be 
cursed! 
 NicholasChrist:     just tell me what it takes to get cursed!!! 
 Elijah451:  you are a buffoon 
 NicholasChrist:     WHAT THE FUCK MAN!!  JUST TELL ME!! 
 NicholasChrist:     i'm dying here!1 
 Elijah451:  do you really want me to curse you? 
 NicholasChrist:     no i want you to tell me what i would have to do to get 
cursed, like what actions do you feel deserve a curse? 
 Elijah451:  i can curse u free of charge, if u would like 
 NicholasChrist:     can you retract this curse if i later decide i don't 
want it? 
 NicholasChrist:     hey if you can curse me can you give me good luck too?! 
 Elijah451:  yes 
 NicholasChrist:     ok can you gimme good luck then?  like a curse except 
good stuff happens to me instead? 
 Elijah451:  which one do u want? a curse or good luck, they are completely 
different! 
 NicholasChrist:     oh yeah and i haven't forgotten to send you your tape, 
i'm just waiting for my minidisc recorder to come in the mail so i can record 
it, cuz my other one broke 
 NicholasChrist:     i want good luck. 
 Elijah451:  fine, you shall be charmed.... 
 NicholasChrist:     thak you stevie 
 Elijah451:  no problem 
 NicholasChrist:     will chicks wanna suck my wang now? 
 Elijah451:  um, dat would be considered in "the miracle" section 
 NicholasChrist:     can you perform a miracle for me? 
 Elijah451:  lik, making girls wanna blow u? 
 NicholasChrist:     um yeah making hot chicks wanna fuck & suck me 
 NicholasChrist:     that's what i'm lookin for 
 Elijah451:  um, that may be pushin it, but i can see what i can do 
 NicholasChrist:     sweeeeet 
 Elijah451:  of course if this works, i want full props! 
 NicholasChrist:     you will get 150% props if this works!! 
 Elijah451:  okee, than it shall be.... 

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In a message dated 8/9/2000 2:18:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Omnipresento69@aol.com writes:

<< Elijah451:  no, youngstown, ohio...there wuz just a seg on 20/20 about it  
>>

I know we're not supposed to reply to stevie, but dammit he's right on this 
one. Its scary that a town like youngstown is the retirement center for a 
large portion of the American Mafia. If you've never been there, Youngstown 
has 2 things to offer: Steel Work and fat, balding, jump-suit wearing, pasta 
making, gun-toting Mobsters. Its like any movie that you've seen where they 
show mobsters after they're done. 

But Stevie you forgot one other thing that Youngstown in known for: The 
Debartlo Family. Owners of many sports franchises such as the San Fran 49ers 
and one of the NHL teams, and I think now a NBA team.

But do us all a favor and seek help with your split personalities
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Subject: [mw] hey wait....

stevie cursed mw-raves, didn't he?

damn...

curse removal party oct 13?

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Just wondering if anyone else who are doing the test of 6.0 beta are having a 
problem reporting a bug. Everytime I hit "Report A Bug" it sends me back 
through the application process and never allows me to report the problem. 
The problem being, and I don't know if anyone else has this problem, ever 
since I got 6.0, I can't have AIM and AOL on at the same time. As soon as I 
sign onto aol it terminates my AIM service, which is annoying cuz I only use 
aol for email purposes.

oh well, let me know if you're having the same problem
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damm my bad grammar...Anyone who is doing the 6.0 test is having problems

breakin out the red pen on myself
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OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone else who are doing the test of 6.0 beta are having a
> problem reporting a bug. Everytime I hit "Report A Bug" it sends me back
> through the application process and never allows me to report the problem.
> The problem being, and I don't know if anyone else has this problem, ever
> since I got 6.0, I can't have AIM and AOL on at the same time. As soon as I
> sign onto aol it terminates my AIM service, which is annoying cuz I only use
> aol for email purposes.
>
> oh well, let me know if you're having the same problem
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Phat...  lemme spin.. hehe

 - Soniq

<< curse removal party oct 13? >>

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--- Hotwax <hotwax@fuse.net> wrote:
> From: "Hotwax" <hotwax@fuse.net>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: Scribble Jam 2000 INFO 4.0!!!
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:48:09 -0400
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > SCRIBBLE JAM 2000 UPDATE 4.0: (the 4th annual - midwests largest hip-hop
> event)
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> >
> > August 11th -13th >>>>>> CINCINNATI OHIO
> >
> > ------ PEEP THE ATTACHED FLYER! ----------------
> > if you would like to help the cause and distribute the
> > full-color printed version in your town, please
> > write: chris@tinboxstudio.com w/ your address etc.
> > ------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Just Some of the weekends Featured Performers:
> > * Dj Magic Mike - (Miami) - the king of miami bass
> > * Atmosphere - (Minneapolis) - feat: Slug & Abilities
> > * Mass Hysteria - (Chicago)
> > * Nobodies - (North Carolina)
> > * Anticon - (SF) - The Monsters of Art Tour
> > * Interstellar - (DC)
> > * Storm "the unpredictable" - (DC)
> > * Green House Effect - (Columbus)
> > * Five Deez - (Cincinnati) - Dimensia Recordings
> > * Truth Music Progeny - (Cincinnati)
> > * Mr. Dibbs - (Cincinnati) - 1200 Hobos / APSO
> > * Many More special guests to be announced!
> >
> > Friday the 11th: Concert / meet & greet @ Top Cats
> > Located at: 2826 Vine St - Cincinnati (10pm-2am)
> >            * Local & National hip-hop groups & djs performing - acts TBA
> >            * NOTE: SORRY NO Black-books!!! (they were'nt having it.)
> >            * Large outdoor rooftop patio will be open.
> >
> > Saturday the 12th: SCRIBBLE JAM - MAIN EVENT @ The Ritz
> > Located at: 1754 Seymour Ave. (2pm - 2am)
> >            * Painting & Battles all in 1 Cincy location!!!
> >                               - Dj battle
> >                               - MC battle
> >                               - B-boy battle
> >                               - real writers: real walls.
> >            * Vendor booths { hip-hop gear & music }
> >            * Music promos & gear give-a-ways
> >            * Black-books OK!!!  (please respect the venue)
> >            * HUGE outdoor area for the graff expo
> >            * Improved viewing for b-boy battles!
> >            * Food & drink will be sold (vegitarian friendly too!)
> >
> >            WANNA BATTLE?: - Djs must be pre-registered,
> >             Send a short videotape routine to:
> >             Scribble Jam 2000 - {attn: Mr. Dibbs}
> >             2410 Walden Glen Cr. - Cincinnati, OH. 45231
> >             If you have competed in previous years please,
> >             contact us as a videotape may not be needed.
> >             (note: this is NOT dibbs' home address.)
> >
> >             Emcees & B-Boy crews: who want to battle,
> >             must be at the Ritz by 1pm!!!! (you will not be
> >             able to battle if you do not arrive early, as
> >             there will be a limited number of spaces
> >             available in each battle. (especially Emcees,
> >             as we have had enormous numbers in the
> >             previous years.)
> >
> >             JUDGING: the Scribble Jam Commitee is taking
> >              extra precautions to ensure that judging panels,
> >              will be Diverse, Non-biased, and Impartial.
> >              Each battle's judges will be comprised of outside
> >              "experts" - from across the U.S. - who are not
> >              related to Scribble jam or the involved contestants
> >              (whining contestants will be dissed-qualifyed.)
> >
> >             GRAFFITI spots are already filled - as we expect to
> >             fit in 40-50 RESPECTED writers, from across the U.S.
> >
> >
> > Sunday the 13th: PARK JAM @ Burnett Woods - FREE EVENT
> > located: (Off M.L. King across from U.C. Campus)  12-6pm
> >            * Concert by Local & National acts
> >            * large Linoleum circle for the breakers
> >            * Vendor Booths
> >            * FREE BBQ - cookout (while food supplies last.)
> >
> > Sunday nite: Wind-down After Party @ Top Cats
> > Located at: 2826 Vine St - Cincinnati (10pm-2am)
> >           * Djs performing  - TBA
> >           * Open Mic
> >           * b-boy circle
> >
> > FOR MORE INFO (directions, prices, sponsor contacts)
> > please visit: www.scribblemagazine.com
> > (this site will be continueously updated as the event nears.)
> > or call the INFO LINE: 513.956.8852
> >
> > Please feel free to forward this info, to any interested parties.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
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> > PEACE, - THE SCRIBBOLI FAMILY.
> >
> >
> 

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Is Pablo Gorgano still gonna be at this one????


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Subject: [mw] curse removal party oct. 13th?

i think it should be a jam session... people could bring instruments,
gear, and we could set up like 6 turntables and hook all the shit
together.

and as much as i'd love to do it in milwaukee, i think it should be
in columbus.

what do you think?  anyone want to do this for real?

i think there's a full moon that friday, too.

chad



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> Phat...  lemme spin.. hehe
> 
>  - Soniq
> 
> << curse removal party oct 13? >>
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Subject: [mw] Just to clear this up....


<<Then by all means, O' great and Wonderful All Knowing and
Understanding Mature One, please enlighten me as to what
Lorie meant.>>


I guess I should state what I meant.   Let me repost my origional post ... 
reread... and shutup.


<<This shit happends EVERY weekend in every other state. Don't just say 
Indiana. Have you ever read up on CA?  or FL? or AZ? It happens EVERY weekend 
there. I am just greatful no one died, or fell off a cliff.... Yea.. its 
fucking pure bullshit that kids need their drugs to feel the music. It really 
sucks, but don't just say "once again, indiana...ectect." That is just 
wrong.>>


    Now.... you see... In this.. I NEVER said anyone should be "ok" with this 
happening in Indiana. I did say..  "Yea, its pure fucking bullshit that kids 
need their drugs...ect..."
I NEVER said, "hey guys, yea this did happen in Indiana.. BE OK WITH IT."  I 
did say, "This shit happens in every other state... ectect.. dont just say 
Indiana."

Some of you people need to actually read posts, instead of thinking of ways 
to turn them around. And if this was you they were talking about.. you would 
be happy someone like shawne stuck up for you too. 

Have a wonderful day.  this thread is dead as far as I am concerned, I just 
wanted to clear up that I don't think its "OK" for shit like what happend at 
the Yes Fest.. to happen ANYWHERE.  So leave it at that. 

Time to make the doughnuts.

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LOL thanks randy
you do that and ill bring you all my techno tapes like i told ya i would :-)

-THE bitch iySyS-

>From: "subsonik productions" <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>To: baronessk@hotmail.com, TekkgirIie@aol.com, jesse_houston@yahoo.com, 
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>Subject: Re: [mw] Thanks Assholes!!!!..indiana??? b/s
>Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:57:42 GMT
>
>Next time I throw a party, i'll give you a laminate that says
>
>"The Bitch"
>
>and you can be on the vibe squad with Shawne.
>
>Come on with it.
>
>-R
>
>
>
>>
>>if im gonna get paid for it ill bitch about techno like you have never 
>>seen
>>someone bitch about techno...always been a dream of mine to get paid to do
>>the things that i love to do :-)
>>
>>-THE bitch iySyS-
>>
>>P.S. can my staff tag thing say "head bitch" on it ???
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Amanda, your posta bitch about techno, and get paid for it.
>>>
>>>duh
>>>
>>>LOoOoVeeyOUuuAmMAMMAnNNDaAAhUKkkKKEr
>>
>>
>>Technos not dead, its just really FUCKING TIRED !!!!!!!
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> << so we will be playing
>  techno/downtempo/snobby dance music >>
> 
> !hi5 micha and snobby dance music
yeah snobby dance music, but don't get used to it.
we have snobby undanceable music too!
and a special talent for making the danceable undanceable.
yeah i guess i have to stop making fun of your techno obsession now don't i?

damn my luck!
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<<busting ravers for possession at 
 a rave is easier
 than fishing with dynamite.>>

hate to be nitpicky here, but how DOES one fish with dynamite...and how
effective is it REALLY?
don't the fish get all nasty(as if a fish isn't nasty enough in the first
place) when they 
explode all over the place?
or is there some law for thermodynamicdetonationoffish that i missed in
highschool physics?

keepin it real y0h.
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Subject: [mw] nrr - the guy he almost was

pretty cool.

http://www.e-sheep.com/almostguy/60x.html


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Subject: Re: [mw] NRR : retired gangsters...was : and now for your viewing pleasure 

>Its scary that a town like youngstown is the retirement center for a
>large portion of the American Mafia. If you've never been there, Youngstown
>has 2 things to offer: Steel Work and fat, balding, jump-suit wearing, 
>pasta
>making, gun-toting Mobsters. Its like any movie that you've seen where they
>show mobsters after they're done.
>

speaking of which...anyone seen the prviews for "the crew" ???

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Subject: Re: [mw] curse removal party oct. 13th?

ill be there man !!! anybody wanna volunteer a house ??? id say we would but 
cincys not quite columbus...though close

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: chad m spoonhaus <chad@konfused.net>
>To: OneBadDJ@aol.com
>CC: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 05:08:57 -0500 (CDT)
>
>i think it should be a jam session... people could bring instruments,
>gear, and we could set up like 6 turntables and hook all the shit
>together.
>
>and as much as i'd love to do it in milwaukee, i think it should be
>in columbus.
>
>what do you think?  anyone want to do this for real?
>
>i think there's a full moon that friday, too.
>
>chad
>
>
>
>On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 OneBadDJ@aol.com wrote:
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> >
> >  - Soniq
> >
> > << curse removal party oct 13? >>
> >
>
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> i think it should be a jam session... people could bring instruments,
> gear, and we could set up like 6 turntables and hook all the shit
> together.
> 
> and as much as i'd love to do it in milwaukee, i think it should be
> in columbus.
> 
> what do you think?  anyone want to do this for real?
> 
> i think there's a full moon that friday, too.

hey you make it in columbus we'll bring gear and people for somethin like
this!
i am all for it!

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Subject: Re: [mw] Just to clear this up....

>there. I am just greatful no one died, or fell off a cliff.... Yea..

i fell off a cliff once
on the way home from a party in st louis
and i was in INDIANA !!!
coincidence.....i think sooo


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Everyone!

I would like to invite all of you to listen to a mixtape performed by myself and my partner in crime, DJ A. 

Both sides are up (pre-mastered versions) in streaming real audio format hosted by seletka.com.

The links to both side A and B can be found here:
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I encourage everyone who has a chance and everyone who enjoys breaks to check this out.

For more information:
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Subject: Re: [mw] curse removal party oct. 13th?

chad@konfused.net writes:

<< stevie cursed mw-raves, didn't he?
 
 damn...
 
 curse removal party oct 13?>>

wtf?!...i never cursed mw-raves!!

there are only 2 people that i am officially cursing...

1) ryan bambao (rbambao@bw.edu) - the evil hacker that started
    this whole mess on pb-cle-raves by posing to be me under 
    faux e-mail names...i swear this kid is like the anti-christ!!...he is 
    the sole reason why there is no more Family Affair...ending a 5 
    year ohio 3 day rave tradition...

2) kahill "jinx" robinson - the demon from hell that i took in when he got
    booted by his ex-girl...the asshole was a professional thief, compulsive
    liar, and super shady drug dealer...he still owes me $2000 for unpaid
    rent & bills...the fuker left me w/ like 3 different long distance
    bills!!...and then he had the gall to make up all these wack rumors
    about me!!...unbelievably, most of the crack head kids around here
    believed his bullshit!!...if anybody sees this bastard, please give him
    a swift kick in the balls for me!!


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Subject: [mw] RE: keeping it real

> how come everytime i hear someone say keep it real, i cringe?
okay, how bout...

keepin it surreal
or 
keepin it teal?

keepin the peal
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Subject: RE: [mw] curse removal party oct. 13th?

facts aside (and when have we let those bother us before?), having a party
in ohio to remove a curse from mw-raves is a great idea.

i'm there.

-t

ps - as long as we're all saying who we've cursed, i'm still at no one. 

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wtf?!...i never cursed mw-raves!!

there are only 2 people that i am officially cursing...

1) some bad guy

2) some other bad guy

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oh, that's right... you said a plague on all our houses.  doesn't that
constitute a curse?  oops for you.

we can still remove the curse from columbus, anyways.

chad


On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 Omnipresento69@aol.com wrote:

> chad@konfused.net writes:
> 
> << stevie cursed mw-raves, didn't he?
>  
>  damn...
>  
>  curse removal party oct 13?>>
> 
> wtf?!...i never cursed mw-raves!!
> 
> there are only 2 people that i am officially cursing...
> 
> 1) ryan bambao (rbambao@bw.edu) - the evil hacker that started
>     this whole mess on pb-cle-raves by posing to be me under 
>     faux e-mail names...i swear this kid is like the anti-christ!!...he is 
>     the sole reason why there is no more Family Affair...ending a 5 
>     year ohio 3 day rave tradition...
> 
> 2) kahill "jinx" robinson - the demon from hell that i took in when he got
>     booted by his ex-girl...the asshole was a professional thief, compulsive
>     liar, and super shady drug dealer...he still owes me $2000 for unpaid
>     rent & bills...the fuker left me w/ like 3 different long distance
>     bills!!...and then he had the gall to make up all these wack rumors
>     about me!!...unbelievably, most of the crack head kids around here
>     believed his bullshit!!...if anybody sees this bastard, please give him
>     a swift kick in the balls for me!!
> 
> 
> t
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Subject: Re: [mw] curse removal party oct. 13th?

I will bring the keg. And there should be a bonfire.

>
>i think it should be a jam session... people could bring instruments,
>gear, and we could set up like 6 turntables and hook all the shit
>together.
>
>and as much as i'd love to do it in milwaukee, i think it should be
>in columbus.
>
>what do you think?  anyone want to do this for real?
>
>i think there's a full moon that friday, too.
>
>chad
>
>
>
>On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 OneBadDJ@aol.com wrote:
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> > Phat...  lemme spin.. hehe
> >
> >  - Soniq
> >
> > << curse removal party oct 13? >>
> >
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duh, how else can you remove a curse!  beer and fire!

-t
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I will bring the keg. And there should be a bonfire.

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Subject: Re: [mw] and now for your viewing pleasure stevie & nick christ's chat on aol...

GOD DAMN YOU STEVIE T someone patronizing you on a chat reel is not rave
related at least put the fucking NRR in front of it, and stop changing you
god damn email address, it becomes such a pain to block every new address
you get you fucking wanker
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> NicholasChrist:     stevie t, you rock!!
>  Elijah451:  huh?
>  NicholasChrist:     you rock!
>  Elijah451:  actually i wanna kill somebody right about now!!
>  NicholasChrist:     before i thought you were annoying, but now i realize
> that you are one of the funniest and smartest people on the list.
>  NicholasChrist:     what?  why?
>  Elijah451:  i think i wanna decimate the entire nation & start from
scratch
> again!
>  NicholasChrist:     do it!@
>  Elijah451:  i don't think people realize most of the world should be dead
by
> now!
>  NicholasChrist:     i totally know what you're talking about.
>  NicholasChrist:     if i had an atomic bomb i'd blow america to hell.
>  Elijah451:  actually there are enough atom bombs in this world to destroy
> earth six times over!
>  Elijah451:  and they still wanna build more!
>  NicholasChrist:     yeah i just need one of em in my hands...
>  NicholasChrist:     stevie were you born a us citizen or did you become
one
> after you were born?
>  NicholasChrist:     i'm just wondering if you could ever be president.
>  Elijah451:  i wuz born in the city w/ the highest crime rate & mafia per
> capital
>  NicholasChrist:     detroit?
>  Elijah451:  no, youngstown, ohio...there wuz just a seg on 20/20 about it
>  NicholasChrist:     oh i don't usually watch tv except for howard stern
and
> scrambled porn when i'm in the mood
>  NicholasChrist:     the porn you posted to mw-raves was wack man!
>  NicholasChrist:     i'll get you some good porn...
>  Elijah451:  my parents were poor as fuck & that wuz the cheapest city to
> live in at the time due to the high crime rate there
>  Elijah451:  i've seen good porn, that wuz just the porn site my ex
roommates
> worked for
>  Elijah451:  my parents were abused the fuk outta cuz they were asian
>  Elijah451:  which was eventually why they had to move to cali
>  Elijah451:  i thought things had changed, but they just hide it better
now
>  NicholasChrist:     <A
HREF="http://www.famouspornstars.com">www.famouspornst
> ars.com </A> NicholasChrist:     america sucks, it's such a shit hole.
>  Elijah451:  i'm sorry, but i fucking hate white people now, especially
> greedy fat rich ones!
>  NicholasChrist:     i'd say a good 80% of all white people are racist,
but
> just hide it because it's not PC to use words like "nigger" and "jap"
>  NicholasChrist:     don't hate all white people
>  Elijah451:  i have everyone equally now
>  Elijah451:  everybody is evil as hell
>  Elijah451:  i've yet to meet any decent souled people the whole time i've
> been here in columbus
>  Elijah451:  everybody is selfish & greedy & puts everybody else down
>  NicholasChrist:     i think it's the same everywhere in the us
>  Elijah451:  now they succeeded they made me just like them
>  Elijah451:  no,  columbus has got to be the worst hell hole any where!
>  NicholasChrist:     then move away
>  NicholasChrist:     move to wi
>  NicholasChrist:     i like wi a lot
>  Elijah451:  i can't...this city raped me so hard, i can't afford to
move!!
>  Elijah451:  so i cursed this whole damn city!!
>  Elijah451:  i'm allowed to cuz i saved the city during Y2K
>  NicholasChrist:     hmmm i dunno then you're kinda fucked
>  Elijah451:  as the saviour, i am divinely gifted with the right to curse
> with the hand of God!
>  Elijah451:  and i am taking my wrath on this hell hole of a city!!
>  Elijah451:  you should've seen the storm last night!  it was beautiful!
>  Elijah451:  all kindsa floods & tornadoes around here now!!
>  Elijah451:  and the accidents are at an all time high this year!!
>  NicholasChrist:     we had a tornado around here once, it ripped the roof
> off a nursing home like 2 miles from my house
>  Elijah451:  big whoop, there's been like 3-4 major tornadoes here so far!
>  Elijah451:  they oppressed the fuk outta of me, so i took it out on them
w/
> my curses!!
>  NicholasChrist:     shit in their eye sockets!
>  Elijah451:  uh, no, i'm not that gross!
>  Elijah451:  are you posting this to the list?
>  NicholasChrist:     no
>  Elijah451:  lol, too bad
>  NicholasChrist:     why?
>  Elijah451:  it's funny shit!
>  NicholasChrist:     oh.  hey do you take most of the stuff you say
seriously
> or do you do it just because you are a fuckin mastermind at pushin
people's
> buttons?
>  NicholasChrist:     i'm not saying that anything you've said has offended
> me, but people on the list go ape shit whenever you post.
>  Elijah451:  everything i say is serious!!
>  Elijah451:  unless i am obviousl;y joking!
>  NicholasChrist:     ok cool i agree with a good bit of it, probably over
> half, but maybe not the messiah stuff and what not.
>  NicholasChrist:     but i find it funny.
>  Elijah451:  i did not choose to be the chosen one or to be born with the
> stigmata!!...do you think it's fun being the ultimate martyr, the final
test
> of faith, and pay for all of man's sins?
>  Elijah451:  you can not even fathom the toll it has taken on me!!
>  NicholasChrist:     why don't you retire?
>  Elijah451:  one does not retire from this...it is continual!!
>  Elijah451:  until people open their eyes to see what is really going on!!
>  NicholasChrist:     do you have special powers?
>  Elijah451:  i have to continue suffering for their sins!!
>  Elijah451:  yes, i can alter fate, i can bring love as well as hate, i
can
> alter the weather according to my moods, i can heal as well as curse!
>  NicholasChrist:     will  you curse me?
>  Elijah451:  no, i have no reason to right now
>  NicholasChrist:     damn.  what do i gotta do to get cursed?
>  Elijah451:  uh, i don't think you want to be cursed!
>  NicholasChrist:     just tell me what i have to do!
>  Elijah451:  for instance, my curses have brough about pain & suffering w/
> other family memebers, freak accidents, illness, severe bad luck!!
>  NicholasChrist:     i know just tell me what i have to do to get one.
>  NicholasChrist:     i didn't say i was going to do it, i'm just wondering
> what i'd have to do.
>  Elijah451:  don't be stupid, nobody in their right mind would want to be
> cursed!
>  NicholasChrist:     just tell me what it takes to get cursed!!!
>  Elijah451:  you are a buffoon
>  NicholasChrist:     WHAT THE FUCK MAN!!  JUST TELL ME!!
>  NicholasChrist:     i'm dying here!1
>  Elijah451:  do you really want me to curse you?
>  NicholasChrist:     no i want you to tell me what i would have to do to
get
> cursed, like what actions do you feel deserve a curse?
>  Elijah451:  i can curse u free of charge, if u would like
>  NicholasChrist:     can you retract this curse if i later decide i don't
> want it?
>  NicholasChrist:     hey if you can curse me can you give me good luck
too?!
>  Elijah451:  yes
>  NicholasChrist:     ok can you gimme good luck then?  like a curse except
> good stuff happens to me instead?
>  Elijah451:  which one do u want? a curse or good luck, they are
completely
> different!
>  NicholasChrist:     oh yeah and i haven't forgotten to send you your
tape,
> i'm just waiting for my minidisc recorder to come in the mail so i can
record
> it, cuz my other one broke
>  NicholasChrist:     i want good luck.
>  Elijah451:  fine, you shall be charmed....
>  NicholasChrist:     thak you stevie
>  Elijah451:  no problem
>  NicholasChrist:     will chicks wanna suck my wang now?
>  Elijah451:  um, dat would be considered in "the miracle" section
>  NicholasChrist:     can you perform a miracle for me?
>  Elijah451:  lik, making girls wanna blow u?
>  NicholasChrist:     um yeah making hot chicks wanna fuck & suck me
>  NicholasChrist:     that's what i'm lookin for
>  Elijah451:  um, that may be pushin it, but i can see what i can do
>  NicholasChrist:     sweeeeet
>  Elijah451:  of course if this works, i want full props!
>  NicholasChrist:     you will get 150% props if this works!!
>  Elijah451:  okee, than it shall be....
>
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, chad m spoonhaus wrote:

> i think it should be a jam session... people could bring instruments,
> gear, and we could set up like 6 turntables and hook all the shit
> together.

Hell yeah... 

> and as much as i'd love to do it in milwaukee, i think it should be
> in columbus.

Agreed

> what do you think?  anyone want to do this for real?

Hell yeah!  I'd be glad to help... if this is gonna be a relatively small
party, I may be able to provide a venue, but that's up in the air at the
moment.  

> i think there's a full moon that friday, too.

Woohoo!

It needs a name... any ideas?

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>It needs a name... any ideas?

i think you should stick with "curse removal".

sinister and completely original!

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i agree.  btw, this is what i was told when i connected to konfused just
now.

"
Hideously disfigured by an ancient Indian curse?

                WE CAN HELP!

Call (511) 338-0959 for an immediate appointment."

pretty kookie.

chad


On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Tony Sebion wrote:

> >It needs a name... any ideas?
> 
> i think you should stick with "curse removal".
> 
> sinister and completely original!
> 
> -t
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>It needs a name... any ideas?
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I think the party should be called "Phunky Phat PLUR alien roll vibes".

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if you want to or can be convinced to add ideas for the curse removal
party and help to make it happen, please subscribe to the somethingelse
list.   or if you just want to keep updated on what's going on with it,
that's totally cool, too.  we'll need a lot of help from you ohio people.

to subscribe, write a message to majordomo@konfused.net and put "subscribe
somethingelse" in the body of the message.

there's nothingelse (ha!) going on on that list, so i think it would be a
better one to use for planning purposes.

peace,
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wow !! does that mean people might actually start saying something on 
somethingelse ????

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: chad m spoonhaus <chad@konfused.net>
>To: "tv guide calls it 'great!'" <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: [mw] if you want to help
>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:56:58 -0500 (CDT)
>
>if you want to or can be convinced to add ideas for the curse removal
>party and help to make it happen, please subscribe to the somethingelse
>list.   or if you just want to keep updated on what's going on with it,
>that's totally cool, too.  we'll need a lot of help from you ohio people.
>
>to subscribe, write a message to majordomo@konfused.net and put "subscribe
>somethingelse" in the body of the message.
>
>there's nothingelse (ha!) going on on that list, so i think it would be a
>better one to use for planning purposes.
>
>peace,
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>
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hey won't that block anyone that posts from AOL?

oh, yeah,  :)   nevermind :p

-t

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Subject: [mw] RE: Dy-No-Mite

the fish die from the shock wave travelling through the water.  it is
remarkably effective.  thats the way we did it when i lived in tennesee, yo.
well...thats the way some people did it anyhow.  the fish look and taste
jest fine, tough guy.

    -bill


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> hate to be nitpicky here, but how DOES one fish with dynamite...and how
> effective is it REALLY?
> don't the fish get all nasty(as if a fish isn't nasty enough in the first
> place) when they
> explode all over the place?
> or is there some law for thermodynamicdetonationoffish that i missed in
> highschool physics?
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>Even Furthur 
>the last dance of summer 
>techno campout - electric festival - family re*union
>
>Labor Day Weekend
>Friday September 01 to Monday September 04, 2000
>rain! or shine? somewhere, rural Wisconsin
>
>Do-It-Yourself independent sound systems everyday noon to midnight:


>"Planet Trance" Unique Recordings (Chicago) : 847-604-3116
>Brandy James .  Matthew Michaels .  Dan Efex .  Todd Richmann .  Curtis RS


Change that to read "Planet Trance" Unique Recordings & Dynamic Groove (Chicago/Madison)

Yes !  Dynamic Groove will be representing, as in the past (Furthur '96, '98, Lil' Furthur & '99).
Being unreachable while DBN was doing the flyers didn't help us secure our own system,
so we are teaming up with Unique Recordings to make things even better !

For those who are not into Trance, don't worry.  It will feature more than just Trance !
But Trance & Techno are what we love the most, so we gotta show support...

Complete DJ listing to be announced in the near future.
Wanna play ?  Reply with your request.  Trance & Techno
preferred, but all styles are welcome.  Experienced DJs only
please.  Limited space available.  Include days/times available.

Also returning this year...

The Multi Mega Watt Giant Screen Dolby Digital DVD Theatre
(or whatever you want to call it).  That's right - home theatre
like you've never experienced before.  Sure, the screen isn't
an IMAX, but the sound...Oh mi gawd !!!!   Over 5000 watts
of 5.1 channel Dolby Digital Surround Sound.  Don't take
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buzzing by your head !  Your favorite Sci-Fi, Action & Anime
movies from 12 midnight until the sun rises.  Don't miss it.

Watch this list and www.dynamicgroove.com for updates.

	- Joe



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> the fish die from the shock wave travelling through the water.  it is
> remarkably effective.  thats the way we did it when i lived 
> in tennesee, yo.
> well...thats the way some people did it anyhow.  the fish 
> look and taste
> jest fine, tough guy.

ahhh, okay, now i see!
I guess I just assumed that anyone with dynamite would rather watch fish
explode
than kill them with shockwaves, guess thats just me!
truly, that is ingenious, especially if one is seeking to destroy an entire
natural habitat
of fishies in the span of a few minutes!

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the eco destruction is exactly why dynamite fishing is illegal.  you pretty
much "catch your limit" with one charge, but i'm sure your average
over-zealous redneck tends to go beyond one shot.  also, i think game
wardens are a little hesitant to try to bust the crazy fuckers with
dynamite....safety first and all.

    -bill

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> > the fish die from the shock wave travelling through the water.  it is
> > remarkably effective.  thats the way we did it when i lived
> > in tennesee, yo.
> > well...thats the way some people did it anyhow.  the fish
> > look and taste
> > jest fine, tough guy.
>
> ahhh, okay, now i see!
> I guess I just assumed that anyone with dynamite would rather watch fish
> explode
> than kill them with shockwaves, guess thats just me!
> truly, that is ingenious, especially if one is seeking to destroy an
entire
> natural habitat
> of fishies in the span of a few minutes!
>
> caution: this email may contain sarcasm.
> if you detect its usage, please refrain from giving a damn.
>
>
> micah
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> the eco destruction is exactly why dynamite fishing is 
> illegal.  you pretty
> much "catch your limit" with one charge, but i'm sure your average
> over-zealous redneck tends to go beyond one shot.  also, i think game
> wardens are a little hesitant to try to bust the crazy fuckers with
> dynamite....safety first and all.
yeah i can understand that, i would definitely not want to tell a redneck
with some dynamite
that he can't be fishin whatever way he wants to!
so...my new question is, how can we apply this great technology to ravers?
is it possible we could set off some kind of dynamite at parties?
could we have competitions for "catch the most ravers in your boat using
dynamite"?

the possibilities are endless
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y'all know i was thinking about this too.

the hard part would be to get them all in the water.  should we tell 'em
it's GHB?  or that standing in water while a charge is going off will
enhance their alien roll vibe?

-t

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my new question is, how can we apply this great technology to ravers?
is it possible we could set off some kind of dynamite at parties?
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Topping, Micah (Mastech) wrote:

-->so...my new question is, how can we apply this great technology
-->to ravers? is it possible we could set off some kind of dynamite
-->at parties? could we have competitions for "catch the most
-->ravers in your boat using dynamite"?

/me just got this great mental image of somebody chucking a lit stick
into an e-pile at some party.

body parts, binkys, beads go flying through the air... the smell of
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you are one sick bastard.


On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Griggles wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Topping, Micah (Mastech) wrote:
> 
> -->so...my new question is, how can we apply this great technology
> -->to ravers? is it possible we could set off some kind of dynamite
> -->at parties? could we have competitions for "catch the most
> -->ravers in your boat using dynamite"?
> 
> /me just got this great mental image of somebody chucking a lit stick
> into an e-pile at some party.
> 
> body parts, binkys, beads go flying through the air... the smell of
> vaporized vicks lingers for hours....mmmmmmm....
> 
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> y'all know i was thinking about this too.
> 
> the hard part would be to get them all in the water.  should 
> we tell 'em
> it's GHB?  or that standing in water while a charge is going off will
> enhance their alien roll vibe?
> 
> -t

we could tell them that underwater the bass is twice as strong, and they
can truly FEEL the vibe, and tell them that sasha is down there so they 
can get entranced....then KABLOOOEY!

yes.
kablooey.

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Greetings everyone!

I am planning a small event on Oct 21st in Lexington
KY.  If you or anyone you know is planning an event on
this date in the genrall area of Lexington please
contact me so we can work things out.  If not i will
post more iformations soon.

Thank you!!

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"Topping, Micah (Mastech)" wrote:

> <<busting ravers for possession at
>  a rave is easier
>  than fishing with dynamite.>>
>
> hate to be nitpicky here, but how DOES one fish with dynamite...and how
> effective is it REALLY?
> don't the fish get all nasty(as if a fish isn't nasty enough in the first
> place) when they
> explode all over the place?
> or is there some law for thermodynamicdetonationoffish that i missed in
> highschool physics?

The dynamite sends a shockwave through the water that kills the
fish and they all float to the surface.

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Subject: Re: [mw] MATT BANDY IS GOD was :  Is Oct 21st open




>From: matthew bandy <mbandy3_14@yahoo.com>
>To: m-w raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: [mw] Is Oct 21st open
>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:46:34 -0700 (PDT)
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>Greetings everyone!
>
>I am planning a small event on Oct 21st in Lexington
>KY.  If you or anyone you know is planning an event on
>this date in the genrall area of Lexington please
>contact me so we can work things out.  If not i will
>post more iformations soon.
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>Whay am I so lame?

there are so many potential answers to that question....im gonna go with 
because you cant spell why this time

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besides being a question that I've often (as I'm sure many people on this list have also) asked myself, I don't think the 2 hours I have before I leave for work is enough time for me to type out a full response.

breakin out the fire extinguisher
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Now who would want to throw a party opposite the true God of the mw-scene??? Dammit I just gave stevie cannon fodder, oh well.

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>so...my new question is, how can we apply this great technology to ravers?
>is it possible we could set off some kind of dynamite at parties?
>could we have competitions for "catch the most ravers in your boat using 
>dynamite?

it's easy...  just throw a party in a venue with a swimming pool or lake 
(furthur anyone?) , get some ravers to jump into the pool, and from there on 
it works just like it does with fish.

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> For those who are not into Trance, don't worry.  It will feature more than
just Trance !
> But Trance & Techno are what we love the most, so we gotta show support...

    I somehow suspect people who are into more than trance will have more
than adequate options at Furthur... =] What I kinda wanna see is a goa tent,
not sure if anything like that is happening yet, but it'd be a cool thing
for a event like furthur.

> Also returning this year...
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> movies from 12 midnight until the sun rises.  Don't miss it.

    YES! Can't wait to see it again... =]

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Hmm... if were talking about fishing for ravers I'm against the use of
dy-no-mite its unsporting.  I think socio-paths should stick to the more
sporting method of using booby-trapped shiny bright objects that blink, or
maybe appear soft and cuddly at first but when hugged barbed hooks entangle
the happless victim.


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>-->ravers in your boat using dynamite"?
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>/me just got this great mental image of somebody chucking a lit stick
>into an e-pile at some party.
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>vaporized vicks lingers for hours....mmmmmmm....
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:22:55 -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:

>> For those who are not into Trance, don't worry.  It will feature more than
>just Trance !
>> But Trance & Techno are what we love the most, so we gotta show support...
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>than adequate options at Furthur... =] What I kinda wanna see is a goa tent,
>not sure if anything like that is happening yet, but it'd be a cool thing
>for a event like furthur

Goa will be adequately represented.  I am a Goa freak ! =)

	- Joe





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Subject: Re: [mw] big f'in smile on my face was: RE: [mw] RE: Dy-No-Mite

i've always said, nothing attracts tweekers quite like a campfire at
furthur, round about 4:00 am.  position yourself ust out of the light, in
full camo gear with nets...poised and ready to strike.

    -bill

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> Hmm... if were talking about fishing for ravers I'm against the use of
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> sporting method of using booby-trapped shiny bright objects that blink, or
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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: EF2K : Even Furthur full info - Dynamic Groove

as the boys from london would say

FUCK GOA
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> On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:22:55 -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:
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> >> But Trance & Techno are what we love the most, so we gotta show
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> >    I somehow suspect people who are into more than trance will have more
> >than adequate options at Furthur... =] What I kinda wanna see is a goa
tent,
> >not sure if anything like that is happening yet, but it'd be a cool thing
> >for a event like furthur
>
> Goa will be adequately represented.  I am a Goa freak ! =)
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Subject: Re: [mw] and now for your viewing pleasure stevie & nick christ's chat 
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Luke Rider wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1

You shouldn't talk about drugs so openly on the list!

(Dude, what kind of hash is SHA1?!?!)

Sorry, had to be lame.

I do database stuff at work and always have to talk about 'hash tables'
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Subject: Re: [mw] RE: Dy-No-Mite

c e wrote:

> >so...my new question is, how can we apply this great technology to ravers?
> >is it possible we could set off some kind of dynamite at parties?
> >could we have competitions for "catch the most ravers in your boat using
> >dynamite?
>
> it's easy...  just throw a party in a venue with a swimming pool or lake
> (furthur anyone?) , get some ravers to jump into the pool, and from there on
> it works just like it does with fish.
>

Actually it could work the other way around.  All the drug residue and
raver funk could cause lots of fish to float to the surface!

They'd be really happy fish too!




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> i think it should be a jam session... people could bring instruments,
> gear, and we could set up like 6 turntables and hook all the shit
> together.
> 
> and as much as i'd love to do it in milwaukee, i think it should be
> in columbus.

Milwaukee!  Do it in MKE and I'll be there.

> what do you think?  anyone want to do this for real?

I'm game.

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> Actually it could work the other way around.  All the drug residue and
> raver funk could cause lots of fish to float to the surface!
> 
> They'd be really happy fish too!

there WAS that research back back back in the day that these scientists gave
all kinds of animals acid
spiders that spun geometric webs
fish that normall swam at the bottom swam at the top and vice versa


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Personally, I would use 2 kids shouting at each other about how their party got
cancelled cause one of em stole the other's girl and the party funds to feed a
drug habit.  Drama will get ravers every time.


Tom

William Bunyan wrote:

> i've always said, nothing attracts tweekers quite like a campfire at
> furthur, round about 4:00 am.  position yourself ust out of the light, in
> full camo gear with nets...poised and ready to strike.
>
>     -bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tad" <sluck@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: [mw] big f'in smile on my face was: RE: [mw] RE: Dy-No-Mite
>
> > Hmm... if were talking about fishing for ravers I'm against the use of
> > dy-no-mite its unsporting.  I think socio-paths should stick to the more
> > sporting method of using booby-trapped shiny bright objects that blink, or
> > maybe appear soft and cuddly at first but when hugged barbed hooks
> entangle
> > the happless victim.
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I think that if this happens they should have a huge
burning of Stevie T at the end of the party.
Sort of like Burning Man, but more fun.

--- Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com> wrote:
> facts aside (and when have we let those bother us
> before?), having a party
> in ohio to remove a curse from mw-raves is a great
> idea.
> 
> i'm there.
> 
> -t
> 
> ps - as long as we're all saying who we've cursed,
> i'm still at no one. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Omnipresento69@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [mw] curse removal party oct. 13th?
> 
> wtf?!...i never cursed mw-raves!!
> 
> there are only 2 people that i am officially
> cursing...
> 
> 1) some bad guy
> 
> 2) some other bad guy
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> Milwaukee!  Do it in MKE and I'll be there.

it's happening in columbus.  you better get a ride... time to meet your
maker (plus we need your charm to complete the ceremony).

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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 13:56:22 -0500, FreakBoy wrote:

>as the boys from london would say
>
>FUCK GOA


As much as I love my  Acid Techno mates in London,
I gotta disagree with 'em on that one.

Anything (well written of course) with a 303 or
other analog-ish psychedelic acid noises is cool with me.

Acid Techno
Goa
Hard Trance
Trance
Acid House

I am an acid junkie. =P

	- Joe

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> I am an acid junkie. =P
>
> - Joe

    JUNKIE!!!! Ah, So THAT'S why you like those lightshows so much? What
happen, a friend ask you to give them a lightshow and you took them
seriously??? (oh dear lord, the humanity, I'll stop now...)

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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:18:38 -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:

>
>> I am an acid junkie. =P
>>
>> - Joe
>
>    JUNKIE!!!! Ah, So THAT'S why you like those lightshows so much? What
>happen, a friend ask you to give them a lightshow and you took them
>seriously??? (oh dear lord, the humanity, I'll stop now...)
>
>Matt Murphy
>sound.light.motion
>murph@mr.net
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 16:18:38 -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:

>
>> I am an acid junkie. =P
>>
>> - Joe
>
>    JUNKIE!!!! Ah, So THAT'S why you like those lightshows so much? What
>happen, a friend ask you to give them a lightshow and you took them
>seriously??? (oh dear lord, the humanity, I'll stop now...)
>


Well, I was speaking more of the music, than the drug,
but I love that too.  I don't do it as much as I used to,
but I think it will always be a part of my life. =)

Yes, it is mostly what inspired me to do lighting.
But lights/lasers are still cool without it.  I have
always programmed my shows sober (you have to
in case you have technical problems).  It's running
them during the show while tripping that is fun !

	- Joe

	


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Subject: [mw] LADY MISS KIER/BABY ANNE-CINCINNATI TONIGHT !

> August 10, 2000
> LIFT presents
> LADY MISS KIER-LONDON (www.ladykier.com; ex-Deee-lite)
> The former Deee-Lite diva has reinvented herself as a drum and bass dj.
She
> has been working hard at improving her skills
> on the decks and we all know what she can do when she sings.  For the
> record, she will be spinning and singing during her
> set and judging by a top 10 list of hers from Spring 2000 she has been
> playing dnb as well as groovin deep house.
>
> BABY ANNE-ORLANDO (www.bassqueen.com; Zone Records, Pandisc Records)
> Baby Anne has seen her star rise out of the crowded Florida scene with
> breakbeat bombs on Icee's Zone Records and also
> on her mixed cd series on Pandisc.  She plays hi-energy breaks and is sure
> to rock the turbosound bins with lots of bass and
> trademark florida beats.  Dont miss her debut area appearance!
>     also:
>     BOB-A-DOB-CINCINNATI
>     NAUTIGROOVE-CINCINNATI
>     TROLL-CINCINNATI
>
> LOCATION: ANNIE'S 4343 Kellogg Ave.  Cincinnati, OH 45226 Annie's Info:
> (513) 321-0220
> 18+ WITH ID, ADMISSION: $10
> 513.665.9999-CLUBHEAD   513.648.9647-YUM YUM    513.956.0750-STILLFRESH
>
> dj oracle aka daniel britt
> 940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
> booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
> djoracle@onebox.com
> www.zap.to/djoracle [under const.]
> www.icast.com/member/djoracle


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Subject: [mw] GAETEK-CINCINNATI   FRIDAY 8/18/2000

> FRIDAY AUGUST 18, 2000
> CINCINNATI, OH
> CLUBHEAD RECORDS presents: AN INTIMATE EVENING WITH...
> GAETEK aka Gaetano Parisio-NAPLES, ITALY
> Gaetek has recorded for such widely acclaimed techno labels as Drum Code,
> Conform, Primate, Planet Rhythm and Art as part of an extensive production
> and dj career. Dont miss this master of minimal techno in an exclusive and
> ultra-rare US dj appearance as part of his current world tour
> also:
> BOB-A-DOB-CINCINNATI
> REACT-CINCINNATI
> ORACLE-CINCINNATI
>
> VENUE: TBA-CALL THE INFO LINES
> 513.648.9647   YUM-YUM
> 513.665.9999   CLUBHEAD RECORDS
> 513.682.3282   SUBSONIK

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
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Subject: Re: [mw] curse removal party oct. 13th?

j_gotti_dnb@yahoo.com (Jon Gotti) writes:

<< I think that if this happens they should have a huge
 burning of Stevie T at the end of the party.
 Sort of like Burning Man, but more fun. >>

Did anybody watch 48 Hours on Channel 10?

Is it me or does anybody else think that Victoria Gotti
(Jon Gotti's daughter, the real Gotti, not the poser 
Gotti here on mw-raves) is a hottie!!

I might be up for the Reverse Curse Party if you guys can
get her to host the party!!

Unlike her father, she is known for her romance & mystery
novel writing skills rather than organized crime!!

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"Topping, Micah (Mastech)" wrote:

> > Actually it could work the other way around.  All the drug residue and
> > raver funk could cause lots of fish to float to the surface!
> >
> > They'd be really happy fish too!
>
> there WAS that research back back back in the day that these scientists gave
> all kinds of animals acid
> spiders that spun geometric webs
> fish that normall swam at the bottom swam at the top and vice versa

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chad writes:

<< if you want to or can be convinced to add ideas for the curse removal
 party and help to make it happen, please subscribe to the somethingelse
 list.   or if you just want to keep updated on what's going on with it,
 that's totally cool, too.  we'll need a lot of help from you ohio people.
 
 to subscribe, write a message to majordomo@konfused.net and put "subscribe
 somethingelse" in the body of the message.
 
 there's nothingelse (ha!) going on on that list, so i think it would be a
 better one to use for planning purposes.
 
 peace,
 chad >>

Um, what makes you think y'all will be welcome here
after all the shit everybody said about Ohio on this list?

LoL, shawn thinks there's alotta mobsters in Youngstown?
Columbus is the biggest city in Ohio!...Why did you think
I said I was having such a hard time here!...And I thought
Thieveland was bad!!

Btw, for all you non-believers living in Columbus...how'd you
like the storm...the perfect storm!!

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Subject: [mw] JOHN B-CINCINNATI  THU 8/17/2000

Thursday, August 17, 2000
LIFT/CLUBHEAD RECORDS presents:
   JOHN B.-UK
   Dont miss this rare US appearance of this up and coming drum and bass
madman. With tracks on Formation, Beta and New
   Identity among others his productions skills are in demand and his dj
appearances are on the rise. Expect a night of upfront
   tracks from one of the leaders of the drum and bass sound.

LOCATION: TBA CALL INFO LINES FOR DETAILS
18+ WITH ID, ADMISSION: $10
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Subject: [mw] Producers in the Columbus, Ohio Area...

For producers in the Columbus, Ohio area...

One of my co-workers owns his own recording studio
(Alpha Records and Productions), it's completely stocked 
with the best equipment, 

So if you are a real producer and are ready to get your 
music professionally recorded, mastered, edited, and 
pressed.

e-mail me privately!


- stevie t

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    But stevie I thought the man was keeping you down? You have a job now?
hmm... I'll have to do some calling, somebody fucked up...

    - Matt Murphy -
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Subject: [mw] REBIRTH IS GOING TO KICK ASS

What time does
Angel Alanis, Submerge101, and HEadroom Play?
TECHNO TECHNO AND MORE TECHNO BABY!

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In a message dated 8/10/00 12:41:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Holyspirit069@aol.com writes:


<< LoL, shawn thinks there's alotta mobsters in Youngstown?
Columbus is the biggest city in Ohio!...Why did you think
I said I was having such a hard time here!...And I thought
Thieveland was bad!!

 >>
ummmmm...Cleveland is the largest city in Ohio...not Columbus...hell 
Cincinnati is larger than Columbus.

shawne

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 OLeSkL@aol.com writes:

<< ummmmm...Cleveland is the largest city in Ohio...not Columbus...hell 
 Cincinnati is larger than Columbus.
 
 shawne >>

Lol, how can u tell when shawne is lieing?...His lips move!!

1999 census stats...

Columbus population...686, 849

Cleveland population...505,616

Cincinnati population...336,400

Lol, i should know i lived in both Cleveland and Columbus!!

pfft, last time i went to Cinci they didn't even have a dance
club there...what a joke!!

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 Angel Alanis - 3:30-5
Submerge 101 - 12:30-1:30
Headroom - 1:30-3:30

 Straight from the flyer.

    *Shandi*

david ericsen wrote:

> What time does
> Angel Alanis, Submerge101, and HEadroom Play?
> TECHNO TECHNO AND MORE TECHNO BABY!
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>  Angle Uranus - 3:30-5
> Submerge 101 - 12:30-1:30
> Headroom - 1:30-3:30
>
>  Straight from the flyer.
>
>     *Shandi*
>
> david ericsen wrote:
>
> > What time does
> > Angel Alanis, Submerge101, and HEadroom Play?
> > TECHNO TECHNO AND MORE TECHNO BABY!
> >
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Subject: [mw] Drugz!

I think it was Hughblaze that previously posted that raves were
originally about the drugs.

I wish, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, or Juan Atkins was on
this list, because they would personally take you to a back 
corner and bitch slap you!!...Because none of them use drugs,
they had always been in it for the music, in fact they hate 
druggies!!...Derrick has often been quoted that the thing he hates
the most is kids on drugs who haven't a clue who's spinnin let
alone what track he's playing!!...Why would you sweat hours on end 
to produce all these tracks for kids so messed up they haven't a
clue about the music!!...You are like their worst enemy!!...
 Because you are the ones getting parties busted!!...It's what that
whole Indy Asshole thread was about!!...The more drug idiots
there are, the more the media & the cops win by stereotyping
raves as drug fests!!

 From: "erika" <chicane@earthlink.net>
 To: "drama-rama" <pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org>
 Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:29 PM
 Subject: {pb-cle} off topic
 
 
 > okay.  you guys thought the government scruitiny was bad before?  just you
 > wait, because _this_ is what the DEA has to say about raves.
 >
 >
 > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                        AUGUST 9, 2000
 >
 > On Monday, July 31, 2000, through Wednesday, August 2, the DEA held a
 > "National Ecstasy & Club Drugs Conference" in Washington, D.C. for the
 > purpose of providing information on MDMA (Ecstasy) to local, state,
 federal,
 > and international law enforcement agents.
 >
 > To give you an idea of what was said to attendees, Dr. David Gavin, from
 the
 > DEA's Department of Diversion Control, stated:
 >
 >   "Lately raves are just a venue for drug purchases. They are no more than
 > analogous to a crack house in which you go, buy the drugs, and go out the
 > back door."
 >
 > To read full report on the DEA's "National Ecstasy & Club Drugs
 Conference"
 > prepared by the Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics, visit:
 > http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/reports/dea_ecstasyconf2000.htm.
 >
 >
 > kbye
 > erika


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Subject: [mw] Don't miss Kevin Saunderson at I, ROBOT in Indianapolis

I, ROBOT
Saturday, August 19, 2000
Indianapolis, Indiana
Featuring the one and only KEVIN SAUNDERSON


Kevin Saunderson is a legend in his own right, known and respected around the 
world, as one of the three Artist/ Producers/DJ's from Detroit, who 
originated Techno/House music, which helped to reshape the future of Dance 
music as we know it.

He started as a DJ and developed new skills that led him into producing 
records, which he released on his own label KMS Records. The demand for his 
Artist/DJ/Producer derived records was overwhelming overseas as well as right 
here in the States, cities like Chicago and New York were open to Kevin's new 
brand of music. He introduced acts like 'Kreem', 'Reese', 'Inter-City', and 
'Reese & Santonio. Kevin has many other aliases such as 'Tronik House', 
'Reese Project', 'E-Dancer', & Kaos, which he uses to show his versatility in 
being able to create different modes of Dance music.

Kevin's biggest achievement so far and most commercially recognized project 
has been Inner City who have come full circle after eight years as one of the 
world's most important dance acts. Since emerging as one of the most 
influential prime movers in the house and techno revolution of 1988, Kevin 
Saunderson and Paris Grey have been to the top, struggled and bounced back to 
the top of the pile. Now in their ninth year together, the duo have proven 
they're one of dance's great survivors with a new dazzling renaissance.

To date, Inner City have had eight top 40 hits in the UK, as well as having 
had two top twenty albums with combined sales of more than 6 million. Inner 
City have also achieved many awards for outstanding accomplishments, such as 
being voted the 'Best Dance Act' in the world by DMC in 1989 & 1992. Inner 
City have also received 4 Gold Singles & 1 Gold Album.4 number one billboard 
club hits &7 number one club hits in the uk.

It is our pleasure to introduce Kevin Saunderson for the first time to 
Indianapolis. Kevin is a true legend and a true pioneer. Please join us as 
Kevin shows Indianapolis his masterful turntable skills for a special 2 hour 
set.




Scarab Records is proud to present I, ROBOT

TOBOR
The Telesonic Robot, by Scarab
Command TOBOR, The Telesonic Robot, with your space control module.  Watch 
him move forward, backward and beyond with just the click of a button.  Press 
the glowing Scarab on his chest, and watch him really go into action, as his 
battle sounds bleep and his red flashing lights twirl around the room.  TOBOR 
can also learn to speak.  Record words and phrases into TOBOR's telephonic 
data recorder and astound your friends!  TOBOR, the walking, talking 
battle-bot by Scarab.

TOBOR, The Telesonic Robot, another great product by Scarab . . . ages 5 and 
up,
batteries not included.


Featuring . . . 

KEVIN SAUNDERSON
KMS/Planet E/Pias - Detroit
Join us for an intimate evening with Kevin Saunderson.  One of Detroit's Holy 
Trinity, along with Juan Atkins and Derrick May, Kevin helped shape the sound 
and future of techno.  We are proud to bring you this legend of electronic 
music for his first appearance ever in Indianapolis.

THE STICKMEN
Stickman Records/Aquarius - Toronto

GEOFFE
V2 Records/Frenzy Records - New York City

REVOLUTION 9 (Live)
Scarab Records - Indianapolis

JONATHAN KEITH
Scarab Records  - Indianapolis

stage two . . . 

DJ NOSTALGIC
Floorgasm/Boogie Squad - Dayton

DJ REACT
Subsonik - Cincinnati

PHASE
Scarab Records - Indianapolis

RONALD BAILEY
Scarab Records - Chicago

TOP SPEED VS. SONIC
(The Ultimate Hip-Hop Battle!) - Crush

K-STEP VS. ISAMU
(The Ultimate D&B Face-off!) - House of Babylon


I, ROBOT will be a two room event held in a large legal venue near downtown 
Indianapolis!

Lots of beeps, bleeps and flashes by Log!
Ultra-plasmic video screens by Static Transfusion!
Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot Warriors will act out the battle of the century
on stage - an intermission you don't want to miss!

Scarab Records will be giving away toy robots to the first one billion people 
through the door.  Get there early to receive your FREE toys!

TICKETS:
Tickets are $25 at the door
$5 OFF WITH "ROBOT COUPON"
Robot Coupon can be found on all I, ROBOT flyers
Limit one coupon per person.  Valid the night of I, ROBOT only - 08-19-00

For more information contact Scarab Records @

Scarab Records
317.767.5103
317.290.7477
scarabrecords@aol.com
www.scarabrecords.com

If you would like to be on our mailing list please e-mail us at the address 
above or call our information line.

Thank You

The Scarab Boys

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Subject: [mw] Time Slots for Rebirth

In a message dated 8/10/00 5:22:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, 
erictheraver@hotmail.com writes:

> What time does
>  Angel Alanis, Submerge101, and HEadroom Play?
>  TECHNO TECHNO AND MORE TECHNO BABY!

The line-up goes as follows:

Korova          11-12
Mike Donovan        12-1
Submerge 101    1-2
Headroom        2-4
Angel Alanis        4-5:30
K-Step          5:30-6:15
Chocolate       6:15-7

Directions will be posted on-line Saturday afternoon.
Or you can call any of these numbers:

317 592 9236
317 767 4994
317 713 7123

After 2pm on Saturday.

-House of Babylon

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Subject: Re: [mw] REBIRTH IS GOING TO KICK ASS

On the subject of kicking ass!

Rebirth DEFINITELY will if it's at one of three
spaces:  The Consortium, USA Skates, or the
Rollercave.   Actually, it'd be nice if they got the
warehouse space that PENETRATION was at.  But, that
may be alittle too dirty for a PJ party.  Actually,
now that I think about it, I ruin alot of clothes at
the Consortium, too, but, with all the tight Scarab
parties there, I just associate it with good parties.

-Jesse Houston

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Subject: Re: [mw] Reverse Curse Party?!

Ummm... Last I checked, Census is every 10 years... the last one was 1990
and theres still (I think) the 2000 census going on, but even if it's over,
the counts won't be released for at least 6 months if not over a year... I
could care less about the populations of various cities in Ohio, and I could
be wrong... Maybe Ohio is silly and does censuses on different years..
Peace

Intraveinous
Invasion Productions
Crop Circles -- Des Moines, IA 9.9.00
Slobodan -- Sweden
Patrik Skoog (Headroom) -- Sweden
Submerge 101
Chocolate the Freaky Afronaut
and more
515.830.1893 for info

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> OLeSkL@aol.com writes:
>
> << ummmmm...Cleveland is the largest city in Ohio...not Columbus...hell
>  Cincinnati is larger than Columbus.
>
>  shawne >>
>
> Lol, how can u tell when shawne is lieing?...His lips move!!
>
> 1999 census stats...
>
> Columbus population...686, 849
>
> Cleveland population...505,616
>
> Cincinnati population...336,400
>
> Lol, i should know i lived in both Cleveland and Columbus!!
>
> pfft, last time i went to Cinci they didn't even have a dance
> club there...what a joke!!
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> Ummm... Last I checked, Census is every 10 years... the last 
> one was 1990
> and theres still (I think) the 2000 census going on, but even 
> if it's over,
> the counts won't be released for at least 6 months if not 
> over a year... I
> could care less about the populations of various cities in 
> Ohio, and I could
> be wrong... Maybe Ohio is silly and does censuses on different years..
> Peace

national census is every 10 years.
there are private censuses(censi?) all the time, and I wouldn't be surprised
if the state kept records on that stuff, whenever they felt like countin
people.
micah 

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Subject: [mw] Rahzel, Kiss Army and Queen Latifah LIVE?!?!

I got this in my mailbox at work today.

If anyone really was contemplating on going I could swing a small amount of staff discounts, i think.

========================================================
Fash Bash 2000 is a one-of-a kind, over-the-top production that combines fall fashion, celebrity entertainment, and state-of-the art technology into
a Broadway-like production.  And--best of all--100% of the proceeds from Fash Bash will benefit the Evening Associates and The Auxiliary Board and that of The Art Institute of Chicago!

THE SHOW ~ 8:00 - 9:00 p.m. at the Chicago Theatre

"Nightlife" aka. Fash Bash 2000 takes a peek behind the velvet ropes of some of the hottest clubs in the world. Buddha Bar, Centro Fly, Cafe Carlyle and the classic Studio 54 provide a backdrop and inspiration for
the best fashion designs we have to offer.  Looks from Gaultier, Escada, Moschino, Calvin Klein, Kors, Nicole Farhi, Badgley Mischka and many more fill the stage.

The multi-media fashion show will be hosted by singer, actress, and TV talk show hostess QUEEN LATIFAH!  Also featured will be legendary Lounge singer, BOBBY SHORT!

Also featured will be entertainment by "Chic", "KISS Army", "Rahzel" and "Antigravity".  Celebrities will be turning up all evening long--on and off
of the stage!

  ******** SPECIAL "2-FOR-1" OFFER TO AIC / SAIC EMPLOYEES AND STUDENTS ********

*** GET 2 TICKETS TO THE SHOW FOR THE PRICE OF 1 (ONLY $40!!) ****** 

CONTACT Brooke at  x7-7669 or e-mail at
<bcarrell@artic.edu> **

Brooke Carrell
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To: "DJ ORACLE \[DANIEL BRITT\]" <djoracle@fuse.net>,
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Subject: Re: [mw] JOHN B-CINCINNATI  THU 8/17/2000

Damn!, I wish that I could go to Cincinati, John B is
one of my favorite producers right now.
His triple pack album that just came out about a week
ago (sorry can't remember names too well), is
phenominal.  He also put out one of my favorite tracks
of all time Travelougue on Formation Recordings, a
great tune, very electro sounding.
Definitely a producer who is not content with just
following the herd.

--- "DJ ORACLE [DANIEL BRITT]" <djoracle@fuse.net>
wrote:
> Thursday, August 17, 2000
> LIFT/CLUBHEAD RECORDS presents:
>    JOHN B.-UK
>    Dont miss this rare US appearance of this up and
> coming drum and bass
> madman. With tracks on Formation, Beta and New
>    Identity among others his productions skills are
> in demand and his dj
> appearances are on the rise. Expect a night of
> upfront
>    tracks from one of the leaders of the drum and
> bass sound.
> 
> LOCATION: TBA CALL INFO LINES FOR DETAILS
> 18+ WITH ID, ADMISSION: $10
> 513.665.9999-CLUBHEAD   513.648.9647-YUM YUM   
> 513.956.0750-STILLFRESH
> 
> 
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=====
Being a DJ is so cool!  It's fun watching everyone dance to my mix - Super Rockstar DJ Blain of tha Generation Girl Crew

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> Is it me or does anybody else think that Victoria
> Gotti
is a hottie!!

You touch my daughter and you die you fuck!!!


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Subject: [mw]  TANTRA FALL FESTIVAL


 TANTRA FALL FESTIVAL
 of Music, Arts, Culture, & Spirituality
 SEPTEMBER 23RD, 2000
 METROLINA EXPO & FAIRGROUNDS
 CHARLOTTE, NC
 
 Tantra is derived from the ancient Sanskrit root word "tan" meaning, among
 other things:
 "to extend, expand, spread, continue, spin out, weave, to put forth, show,
 or manifest"
 
 We are currently planning three more of these festivals next year. Debuting
 this year will be the first time that there has been an event of this
 diversity of music, cultural & spiritual awareness, and art. We are
 pioneering the crossing of musical genres here in Charlotte and the
 Southeast. As our artists are released you will see a mixture of the many
 different styles that we will have at Tantra.
 
  Alternative Rock, Hip Hop, Drum & Bass, Jungle, Trance, Breaks, House,
 Techno, Psychedelic Rock (Jam)
 
 Alternative & Psychedelic Rock/Jam:
 BELA FLECK & THE FLECKTONES
 FISHBONE
 Elwood
 Sector 9 Soundtribe
 Lake Trout
 Big Ass Truck
 Jonny Young
 Fly Web
 Granola Funk Express
 X-Perament
 Seventh Ray
 Nth Degree
 Erotic Spine Dance
 Elaison
 
 Electronic:
 UBERZONE - Sony - LA
 DEEP SKY - LA
 Kevens - KTF Records - FL
 The Funky Techno Tribe Tour Featuring:
 DJ Dan - Funky Tekno Tribe - Sanfransisco
 Archie Bell's Future Kulture (Jane's Addiction)
 Barry Weaver - Portland
 Graeme
 Tony
 Jeno
 Hector Cordenas
 Arturo Garces
 Dean Coleman - Atlanta
 JACKIE CHRISTIE - NYC
 Freaky Flow w/ MC Flipside - Toronto
 RAYMOND ROKER w/ MC? - Cali
 DARA - NYC
 DJ X - FL
 Galaxy Girl w/ The Trancendancers - Cuba/FL/NC
 MC KNCTRNL - War/Proper/ESP101 - Atlanta
 DJ FUZZ - Phunkodelic - Charlotte
 DANIEL w/ MC Elligot - Phunkodelic/Mathmatics - Greensboro
 STEELO w/ SATOSHI on a 2x4 tag set Family Tree/Wreck Shop - Knoxville
 DJ BUGGS - Phunkodelic - Charlotte
 INVINCIBLE - Trancend - Charlotte
 WES REEN & MATT CAULDER - Therapy/Future Communications - Jacksonville
 RUNE - GFS - Raleigh
 DRACO - Release - Wilmington
 Dank One - Alkaline/Betterdays - Louisville
 Jungle Logic - Eternal 8 - Myrle Beach
 Tasha - F-X Prod. - Norfolk
 Joey - USC Radio - Columbia
 
 Hip-Hop:
 RUN DMC - Multiplatinum
 JUNGLE BROTHERS - Dito
 Sir Mix-A-Lot - Yet another
 Mood Swingas w/ DJ Avee
 
  With any number of these artists added to our already talented and diverse
 mixture, we feel that Tantra has the potential to be one of the largest
 festivals in the country. We intend to build the name & concept to the point
 of taking it on tour all over the country, and we would like to have you
 there for the whole thing.
 
 JUST ADDED - AN OPEN TURNTABLE SESSION, 3 HRS FOR ANY LOCALS WHO WANT TO
 HAVE THE CHANCE TO SHOW THEIR STUFF. FIRST COME FIRST SERVE. THERE WILL BE A
 SIGN UP SHEET ON THE DAY OF THE EVENT, AND THE FIRST PEOPLE THRU THE DOOR
 READY TO SPIN WILL GET ON THE LIST. YOU WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT THE TANTRA AND
 WE WILL SELECT ONE TO BE ON OUR NEXT EVENT. SO BRING YOUR BAGS AND
 HEADPHONES. WE ARE PROVIDING A CHECK AREA FOR YOU TO KEEP YOUR GEAR SAFE AND
 ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED TO STORE.
 
 Check out few of the attractions we are debuting for the first time ever
 along with some of the best produced effects & visuals in the world being
 brought together for a combination of attractions that will blow your mind:
 
 Carnival Rides - From everyone's favorite to some new rides that you could
 never imagine. These carnival rides are by far the best arrangement of
 thrill and fun that you can find anywhere. Here are a few just to tease your
 curiosity: The Orbitron, Psycho Swing, Ferris Wheel, etc.
 
 Para-Bounce Thrill Ride- The ultimate in thrill fun. You will be attached to
 a giant 20' helium balloon and lofted over 120 feet into the air. This one
 is not for anyone who is scared of a little fun. Oh, by the way, you must
 sign a waver with ID just in case you get blown away and end up in Texas.
 
 Amusement Attractions & Games - Arcade Games, Velcro Olympics, Human Gyro,
 Human Spheres, Bungee Run, Radical "Robo" Surf Machine, Full On Adult Lazer
 Tag, Giant Inflatable Twister, Carnival Games, Giant Moodbounce, Giant
 Slide, & Virtual Reality
 
 Fireworks Display - Over 15 minutes of breathtaking visual bedazzlement.
 Performed by one of the southeast's leading Pyrotechnics companies - Melrose
 Pyrotechnics.
 
 Multi-Cultural Art Exhibits - All styles welcome. + Check out the official
 artist of the Tantra Festival - Robert McNeill displaying in his unique
 style of collage art that combines many different interesting combinations
 of concepts that will amaze you. Plus, regional artists in many other fields
 & styles. If you are an artist interested in displaying your unique talents
 then write to info@trancend.com.
 
 Massage & Aroma Therapy Tent - A tent for the teaching and practice of
 Massage & Aroma Therapy. If you haven't had the opportunity to learn and
 experience this luxurious & therapeutic form of relaxation then you can at
 Tantra. We will have licensed massage therapists positioned throughout the
 fairgrounds + Rakee Touch Healing for those that would like to take
 traditional massage another direction.
 
 Mayan Oracle Readers - The Mayans were able to see more than we can imagine,
 and we are just now beginning to understand their language after years of
 archeology. We are beginning to understand a numerological system that was
 far more advanced than anything in existence during the same time period
 anywhere else in the world, yet the didn't use the wheel. Explore the Mayan
 mysticism.
 
 Henna Artists - This ancient Indian practice of using ink to
 semi-temporarily tattoo tribal patterns and designs is a wonderful form of
 expression.
 
 Native American Spiritual Cleansing - In consultation with some of the
 Native American tribes of the region we are going to have a booth for
 information and instruction on some basic spiritual cleansing techniques.
 
 Trancedance Meditation Rituals - "Trancedance employs traditional approaches
 along with some unique contemporary techniques. The most powerful
 contemporary tool being the use of the blindfold. Darkness creates a state
 of suspension or "stooping time" an altered state or "trance state" where
 there is no one but ones self. By dancing within the seclusion of darkness
 we discover parallel realities where solutions to seemingly unsolvable
 problems are possible." Wilbert Alix - Trancedance
 
 Visual Performance Artists - The Trancendancers along with the HIFI Tribe
 and visual performers from all over the US are going to be amazing you from
 positions all over the complex with performances from modern & breakdancing
 to costumed theatrical displays. All day and night around every corner will
 be a huge puppet or alien on stilts or fire breather or a beautiful girl
 doing something amazing. These talented performers will continue Tantra's
 theme of never allowing your mind to sit idle and waste away. You will have
 something to do always.
 
 Belly Dancers - This sensual and elegant form of entertainment represents
 the fact that sex can be expressed in a non-insulting and crude way as it so
 often is in our modern culture. It can be tasteful and therapeutic and
 intelligent.
 
 GROOVEFARM PRESENTS: The TANTIEN Fire Circus, Austin TX
 
 One of the first fire spinning performance troupes in the states. 8
 performers bringing you the most spectacular display of synchronized
 fire-dancing routines that your eyes have ever seen. Featuring Fire Blowing,
 Staff Dancing, Batons, Chains, Acrobatics, Pyrotechnics, The "Mysterious
 Cauldron of Fire", Puppets, Stilt Walking, and the most amazing
 fire-spinning in the hemisphere.
 
 They will have some music provided by Groovepharm DJ's Curious George &
 Spivilious.
 
 Fire Dancers - Performing during Kevens set to mind expanding drum-n'-bass
 and all over the festival after nightfall you will think that you are on
 some Polynesian island in the south pacific.
 
 Stilt Walkers - Towering above you they will make you think about how nice
 it is to be one of the little people.
 
 Fire Breathers - This is an awesome display of courage and skill that is
 sure to blow you away.
 
 Puppeteers - Many interesting styles. This aint tha Muppets.
 
 Acrobats - Displaying wonderful balance and strength you will never be able
 to comprehend the myriad of poses and contortions that these performers can
 do.
 
 Plus many more amazing performances all day and night.
 
 Breakdance Competition, Freestyle Dance Competition, Glowstick Dance
 Competition, Oldschool Candy Costume Contest - We are guaranteeing at least
 a $150 dollar prize for each of these contests, and you have the potential
 for more. There is a $10 entry fee for all of the contests, and the winner
 of each gets all of the entrance fees!
 
 Voter Registration Drive - You are responsible for making sure that we as
 citizens of this country are treated fairly by the government. For this
 reason you need to become a voice for what you believe. Register to vote
 because that is the only way that they allow you to say how you feel in this
 country right now. One person's vote along with a million others can make a
 difference. Once you get recognized as a political force then you will start
 getting political attention and the candidates will have to start listening
 or they wont get elected.
 
 Skateboard Park - We decided to have a little of the more hard-core on
 display taking trick skating to a whole new level. Come and see skaters from
 all over the country. Also, in the months to come look out for us to release
 the details on a tour of professional national skaters on our web site
 www.trancend.com. Any locals that want to skate must have proper ID and sign
 wavers to ride. Like everything it will be first come first skate, so get
 there early if you want to be on the list.
 
 Camping - The Metrolina Fairgrounds has ample hookups for Campers and RV's.
 There will be a $15 dollar per connection for water and power. Unfortunately
 we are not offering tent camping at this years event, however since we are
 planning to expand Tantra to 3 days for the spring and fall dates next year
 you can look for full camping at the Tantra Spring Festival! To arrange for
 a camper space please write to info@trancend.com and we will send you the
 billing address.
 
 Full Interactive Lighting - Provided by Active Lighting and Rewind in ATL
 our lighting system will be second to none with intelligent lighting in all
 4 of the massive areas of sound. Plus, as an added bonus the Funky Tekno
 Tribe is bringing in an interactive lighting system that will mesmerize you
 for hours.
 
 Sound System - This will be the largest sound system in the Southeast. No
 question we will have to bring in systems from all over the East Coast to
 accommodate the massive expanse that is the Metrolina Fairgrounds. You will
 feel the vibe from miles away when we get the volume cranked on this system.
 4 massive areas of sound will be provided by Big Stack sound in ATL working
 with companies from all over the region to bring you the biggest badest
 hardest hitting sound setup that you have ever seen. We will have earplugs
 available for you sensitive types.
 
 State of the art Lasers - We have arranged a system of high wattage argon
 lasers that will be displayed in both the indoor and the outdoor sound
 areas. This multi-reflecting system has never been seen anywhere in the
 Southeast. You have to see it to believe it.
 
 Drum Circles - The Funky Tekno Tribe will be involving the crowd like never
 before with organized drum circles. Also, we are providing areas all
 throughout the complex for you to assemble and get back to your tribal roots
 with precussionary interaction.
 
 Vending of all Types - Please come with some cash to spend with these
 talented artisans. We have arranged one of the most diverse mixtures of
 vendors that has ever been put together for a festival of this type. Hemp
 Jewelry, Glow Products, Native American Pieces, Art from the official artist
 of the Tantra Fall Festival - Robert McNeill, Psychic Readings, Music,
 Clothing, and much more.
 
 Spiritual & Cultural Awareness Booths - We have decided that the concept of
 spirituality has been taken out of music in our culture and as a result we
 are bringing representatives from all over the world to provide you with
 information on a number of different philosophy, religion, and other
 cultures. We are bringing Yoga, Tai Chi, Kung fu Demonstrations, Mayan
 Mysticism, Jewish Mysticism, Tantra Information, Celtic Info, Buddhist Info,
 Traditional Hindu Info, Christian, African, and many more from all over the
 world. If you have a religious, spiritual, or cultural group that you would
 like represented please write to info@trancend.com for info on how to bring
 your group to the Tantra Fall Festival.
 
 Environmental Awareness Booths - As our lifespans get longer and longer and
 the population gets bigger and bigger we are going to have many
 environmental issues to address the pressing problem of overpopulation.
 Overpopulation leads to more production of materials and more people driving
 and more people producing waste. It seems like our society is looking the
 other way at this point, and you are going to have to be the ones that say
 we need to stop this or we wont have an Earth worth living on. If we all say
 that we can't make a difference then we wont. You need to vote in the people
 that will make a difference. Which is why we are having voter registration.
 
 Food Stands - The Metrolina concessions are better than any concert venue in
 the region by far. You can have smoothies, Cappuccino, beer, candy, and food
 of all types. We won't let ya go hungry.
 Candy Stands, Smoothie Stand, Coffee Stand
 
 +Free Music, Clothing, Drinks, on & on & on...you get the picture - Free
 giveaways at the gate & all throughout Tantra.
 And Much More to Come.....
 
 AND A CANNED FOOD DRIVE FOR THE HOMELESS - DONATE ANY TWO FOOD OR CLOTHING
 ITEMS FOR A CHANCE AT TWO BACKSTAGE PASSES + MEET & GET AN AUTOGRAPHED
 PICTURE WITH SIR MIX-A-LOT
 
 + A PORTION OF OUR PROCEEDS WILL BE DONATED TO THE LOCAL CHARITIES LISTED
 BELOW
 CHARITY SPONSORS:
 
 MDA -Muscular Dystrophy Association sponsored by the Charlotte Fire
 Department
 
 The Burned Children's Hospital sponsored by the Shriners
 
 The Methodist Home sponsored by the Charlotte Department of Parks &
 Recreation
 
 Summer Camp for Kids sponsored by the Concerned Bikers Association
 
 Metrolina Aids Project is sponsoring a safe sex education booth & AIDS
 awareness
 
 Venue:
 Metrolina Expo & Fairgrounds
 7100 N. Statesville Rd. Charlotte, NC
 The South East's largest festival venue with a capacity of over 100,000
 people. Over 80,000 sf of indoor concert area and 3 Football fields of paved
 and covered outdoor with 2 huge stages for your listening pleasure.
 
 Directions:
 From the North (TN/VA/PA/OH/NY/WV/KY/IN/IA/CT): Take I-77 South to Sunset
 Rd. Exit 16A (not B) and look for the sign just before the Exit that
 says Metrolina Expo. Once on Sunset go to the second stop light which is N.
 Statesville Rd. and make a left.
 The Metrolina Expo & Fairgrounds will be approx. 1/2 mile on your right.
 
 From the South (SC/FL): Take I-77 North to Sunset Rd. Exit 16A (not B) and
 look for the sign just before the Exit that
 says Metrolina Expo. Once on Sunset go to the second stop light which is N.
 Statesville Rd. and make a left.
 The Metrolina Expo & Fairgrounds will be approx. 1/2 mile on your right.
 
 From the East (NC): Take I-85 West/South to the I-85/I-77 junction and take
 I-77 North. Once on I-77 North go to
 Sunset Rd. Exit 16A (not B) and look for the sign just before the Exit that
 says Metrolina Expo. Once on
 Sunset go to the second stop light which is N. Statesville Rd. and make a
 left. The Metrolina Expo &
 Fairgrounds will be approx. 1/2 mile on your right.
 
 From the West (GA/AL/MI/LA/AK/TX): Take I-85 North/East to the I-85/I-77
 junction and take I-77 North. Once on I-77 North go to
 Sunset Rd. Exit 16A (not B) and look for the sign just before the Exit that
 says Metrolina Expo. Once on
 Sunset go to the second stop light which is N. Statesville Rd. and make a
 left. The Metrolina Expo &
 Fairgrounds will be approx. 1/2 mile on your right.
 
 Info:
 Pictures and the official Documentary video will be available on the web
 site www.trancend.com
 
 All ages welcome
 Under 16 must be accompanied by a parent or guardian
 Proper ID required for beer
 
 This is a calaboration of Carolina's promoters with a real interest in
 advancing the music scene first localy and secondly all over the South East.
 
 Hotel & Travel Info:
 Greyhound - 1-800-231-2222
 Amtrack - 1-800-872-7245
 US Airways - 1-800-428-4322
 
 Indoor/Outdoor - one 40,000 sq ft A/C warehouse & one 25,000 sq ft
 warehouse and a huge three-football field paved and covered outdoor area. We
 have a virtually unlimited capacity, but if I had to put a number on it I
 would say 100,000.
 
 Tantra is generally referred to as the ancient Indian spiritual philosophy
 of conscious loving. Why Tantra? Because our senses and our desires drive
 us, and because Tantra is the only developed spiritual discipline that uses
 our senses and our desires to achieve the goal of liberation. Tantra teaches
 that the senses can be harnessed and used as a liberating energy, that they
 can be used as tools to help attain transcendental wisdom and enlightenment,
 and that they can be used to shortcut the process of spiritual evolution.
 Tantra's most powerful tools are the sense organs:
 The mind, the skin, eyes, ears, nose, and mouth.
 At the Tantra Festival we are going to provide a forum for the
 maximum use of those sense organs to elevate your
 consciousness to a higher plain. Our generation is the key.
 We are the innovators.
 
 This is a movement to change the face of live music. We want you to be a
 part of it. Just let us know.
 
 http://www.trancend.com
 
 
 


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Subject: RE: [mw] curse removal party oct. 13th?

is this anything like poking your sister in the back seat of the car while
you're on a vacation with your family?

shez, again, i don't think that's worded quite right.

although, considering who i'm talking to, maybe it is.

-t

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You touch my daughter and you die you fuck!!!

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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< is this anything like poking your sister in the back seat of the car while
 you're on a vacation with your family?
 
 shez, again, i don't think that's worded quite right.
 
 although, considering who i'm talking to, maybe it is. >>

eeew!!...gotti used to "poke" his li'l  sister in the backseat
of his family's car?!

sick bastard!!

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erg, i think he was telling you not to touch (poke) his sister.

hmmmm, this is the way rumors get started!  

-t

ps - hows the (insert gov't conspiracy here)?


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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< is this anything like poking your sister in the back seat of the car
while
 you're on a vacation with your family?
 
 shez, again, i don't think that's worded quite right.
 
 although, considering who i'm talking to, maybe it is. >>

eeew!!...gotti used to "poke" his li'l  sister in the backseat
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sick bastard!!

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Subject: [mw] VNRR: Love is Shit

I am starting to believe that love is merely a buzz that everyone eventually
comes off of...

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Subject: RE: [mw] VNRR: Love is Shit

i've always thought of it more like a religion that two people share... and
as long as you both believe 100% in the same thing it works.

you more liberal types might wanna adjust that from two to some other bigger
number.

and any of you that are truly twisted might wanna put something else in the
place of people, but i have the phone number for PETA right here and you
know who you are.

-t

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I am starting to believe that love is merely a buzz that everyone eventually
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Subject: [mw] NRR: NEW VACCINES MAY DRUG-PROOF KIDS

NEW VACCINES MAY DRUG-PROOF KIDS

 The war on drugs may soon be over, but not because of legalization,
 stiffer penalties, or a truce between cartels and prohibitionists. This
 uneasy peace would come at the hands of pharmaceutical companies and
 biotech labs, which are about to unleash the ultimate weapon: the antidrug
 vaccine.

 One anti-cocaine vaccine, already shown to be safe for humans, prevents
 people who snort coke from getting high.. Researchers are also testing
 vaccines for nicotine. And results look promising for the eradication of
 PCP abuse and methamphetamine addiction.

 The National Institute on Drug Abuse has funded much of the development
 cost - approximately $4.5 million since 1996. "Just as medications have
 been developed for other chronic diseases, such as hypertension, diabetes,
 and cancer," writes NIDA in its five-year strategic plan, "drug addiction
 is a disease that also merits medication for its treatment."

 Looking at social ills through a medical lens is not a new phenomenon. By
 studying disorders from alcoholism and compulsive gambling to attention
 deficit disorder and depression, scientists have discovered not only
 genetic factors responsible for so-called abnormal behavior, but also the
 way such behavior affects the brain's neural map. According to Frank
 Vocci, director of NIDA's Treatment Research and Development division, the
 antidrug vaccines can provide a powerful weapon against substance
 addiction, especially when combined with therapy and psychiatric medicine.
 And vaccines, which unleash an onslaught of drug-busting antibodies, can
 do what traditional treatment can't. "If a patient is in an emergency room
 with high methamphetamine levels and experiencing a cardiovascular
 crisis," says vocci, "antibodies would bind the drug up and cause the
 individual to
 excrete it." In other words, an injection of antibodies could reduce the
 specter of death by overdose to a bad '70s flashback.

 Though scientists have long used vaccines to trick the immune system into
 thwarting lethal diseases, the antidrug vaccines are a new breed, designed
 to attack pleasure-inducing chemicals that the brain craves. Some of these
 new vaccines use antibodies that bind to the illegal drug, render it
 inactive, and then leave the bloodstream. Others remain potent for years.
 This is the type of vaccine that purged the Western world of polio and
 smallpox - and may put a choke hold on civil liberties.

 The human affinity for altering perception reaches far back in the
 evolutionary chain. If antidrug vaccines become widely available, parents
 will be able to decide whether their kids will be able to get high - even
 as adults, even recreationally. And governments could target certain
 communities for vaccination. "Who is going to get it?" asks Peter Cohen,
 an adjunct professor at the Georgetown University Law Center, who has
 written on the legal implications of the vaccines. "Those who have a
 history of cocaine abuse? Those who may be statistically likely to become
 addicts? Or do you vaccinate everybody?"

 Cohen argues everyone should get the shots, but so far the only human
 tests have been done on addicts. In one experiment by Yale University this
 spring, researchers vaccinated 34 former cocaine abusers living in a
 residential treatment facility. That vaccine, called TA-CD, generates
 antibodies that grab onto the upper as soon as it enters the bloodstream,
 preventing the drug from bumrushing the brain.

 The new vaccines have limitations. Namely, addicts could still get high if
 they did enough lines. Enter Donald Landry, associate professor of
 medicine at Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons,
 who's researching so-called catalytic antibodies. With a load of them in
 your bloodstream, you'd have to snort a lot of coke to feel any effect. So
 much so that financial limitations (you'd have to spend a ton of money)
 and physical needs (you'd have to stop and breathe) would kick in.
 "Everyone attempting to quit cocaine can use the catalytic antibody,"
 Landry says.

 But if you can't get high from cocaine, you can get drunk on alcohol or
 stoned on pot. Substance-abuse counselors say a vaccine alone won't solve
 the problem of drug abuse, and shouldn't end up replacing more expensive -
 and extensive - treatments that deal with the factors that lead to
 addiction.

 "We're not going to run out of new and inventive things that are going to
 make people high, but that doesn't mean a vaccine won't help for some
 people," say Peter Kerr, a spokesman for the New York branch of Phoenix
 House, who compares the use of antidrug vaccines to relying on the
 synthetic opiate methadone to treat heroin addicts. "The primary emphasis
 is relieving symptons. Counseling is an ancillary factor."

 Unlike methadone, which is used to fight debilitating withdrawal symptoms,
 or Anabuse, which causes and alcoholic to become violently ill upon
 drinking, some vaccines can last a lifetime. There's no turning back. And
 if the choice of a child is in the hands of a parent, or that of a
 prisoner in the hands of the government, then involuntary vaccinations
 become the result.

 "It's hard to justify vaccinating a million children when only a small
 percentage are at risk, even in an area where cocaine use is endemic," say
 Landry.

 The vaccines also raise questions of privacy. "Once you're vaccinated, you
 have antibodies in your blood that would show up in a drug test," say
 Cohen. "The least controversial solution is universal vaccination: You
 wouldn't be stigmatizing any one group."

 Yet mass vaccinations have always been controversial. "That's treating
 people like cattle," says Joe Lehman, a spokesman for the Cato Institute,
 a libertarian think tank. Lehman believes that there would be pressure to
 get an antidrug vaccine, especially when it comes to insurance companies
 (who might offer special premiums to the vaccinated) or employers (who are
 in the age of mandatory drug testing have obvious motives). Though mass,
 forced vaccinations may be unlikely, a scenario in which individuals feel
 pressured to get the vaccine is no less chilling in it implications.

 Civil libertarians on both the left and right ends of the political
 spectrum aren't the only ones concerned over universal vaccination.
 Critics of childhood vaccinations - alternative medicine advocates,
 concerned parents - are growing in number. The National Vaccine
 Information Center promotes parental awareness about vaccination risks and
 the right to refuse shots. Barbara Loe Fisher, president of the center, is
 outraged by the idea of antidrug vaccines. "To add a vaccine to the mix
 that doesn't fit into early-childhoold diseases seems amazing," she says.
 "That we can get a vaccine to solve every social problem is short-term
 thinking."

 This article originally appeared in the Village Voice.

 Pubdate: Thu, 03 Aug 2000
 Source: New Times (CA)
 Contact: mail@newtimes-slo.com
 Website: http://newtimes-slo.com/
 Author: Carla Spartos
 Related: Villiage Voice article,
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Subject: Re: [mw] Drugz!

I also think several of them have been stated saying they hate ravers and
raves.
Which would make absolute sense if they hate drugs.  I think they spend the
time making the music becasue they (like any artist worth their salt) LOVE
what they DO ie making music.  Why do they still show up at raves and play
music for fucked up kids? Because it puts food on the table.  Raves are
strongly rooted in drugs... thats something that I dont think is very
disputable..  It all started with acid house parties? where do you think
the acid came from? The drug came before the music style.  As a side note,
I think most of those detroit producers would have been producing wether or
not hte acid house scene came and went or evolved into the 'rave scene.'  

tad

At 03:15 AM 8/10/00 EDT, Holyspirit069@aol.com wrote:
>I think it was Hughblaze that previously posted that raves were
>originally about the drugs.
>
>I wish, Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, or Juan Atkins was on
>this list, because they would personally take you to a back 
>corner and bitch slap you!!...Because none of them use drugs,
>they had always been in it for the music, in fact they hate 
>druggies!!...Derrick has often been quoted that the thing he hates
>the most is kids on drugs who haven't a clue who's spinnin let
>alone what track he's playing!!...Why would you sweat hours on end 
>to produce all these tracks for kids so messed up they haven't a
>clue about the music!!...You are like their worst enemy!!...
> Because you are the ones getting parties busted!!...It's what that
>whole Indy Asshole thread was about!!...The more drug idiots
>there are, the more the media & the cops win by stereotyping
>raves as drug fests!!
>
> From: "erika" <chicane@earthlink.net>
> To: "drama-rama" <pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:29 PM
> Subject: {pb-cle} off topic
> 
> 
> > okay.  you guys thought the government scruitiny was bad before?  just you
> > wait, because _this_ is what the DEA has to say about raves.
> >
> >
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                        AUGUST 9, 2000
> >
> > On Monday, July 31, 2000, through Wednesday, August 2, the DEA held a
> > "National Ecstasy & Club Drugs Conference" in Washington, D.C. for the
> > purpose of providing information on MDMA (Ecstasy) to local, state,
> federal,
> > and international law enforcement agents.
> >
> > To give you an idea of what was said to attendees, Dr. David Gavin, from
> the
> > DEA's Department of Diversion Control, stated:
> >
> >   "Lately raves are just a venue for drug purchases. They are no more than
> > analogous to a crack house in which you go, buy the drugs, and go out the
> > back door."
> >
> > To read full report on the DEA's "National Ecstasy & Club Drugs
> Conference"
> > prepared by the Center for Cognitive Liberty & Ethics, visit:
> > http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/reports/dea_ecstasyconf2000.htm.
> >
> >
> > kbye
> > erika
>
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do you think there's any merit to the idea that even if they didn't hate
drugs/ravers/raves, that stating that assists the advancement of a more
mainstream career in music for themselves?

i mean, who wants to be demonized by being the big name DJ that comes out
and says "i love it when 14 y/o kids are too fucked up to move so they just
sit in piles and listen to my music at all night drug dance party orgies
with the futuristic alien vibe! WOO HOO!".

also, don't confuse "liking" and "tolerating"... i'm sure a lot of
mainstream rock bands don't really appreciate the overuse of alcohol at a
concert they're playing at, but they're a long ways off from forcing space
owners to make the shows dry - the Tibetan Freedom concert last summer being
a valid exception to that rule, though... i don't think i heard people stop
complaining about the "no beer" policy at Alpine for that day until the show
was over.

The Beastie Boys never fail to suprise me.

-t

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Subject: Re: [mw] Drugz!


I also think several of them have been stated saying they hate ravers and
raves.
Which would make absolute sense if they hate drugs.  I think they spend the
time making the music becasue they (like any artist worth their salt) LOVE
what they DO ie making music.  Why do they still show up at raves and play
music for fucked up kids? Because it puts food on the table.  Raves are
strongly rooted in drugs... thats something that I dont think is very
disputable..  It all started with acid house parties? where do you think
the acid came from? The drug came before the music style.  As a side note,
I think most of those detroit producers would have been producing wether or
not hte acid house scene came and went or evolved into the 'rave scene.'  

tad

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 "i love it when 14 y/o kids are too fucked up to move so they just
>sit in piles and listen to my music at all night drug dance party orgies
>with the futuristic alien vibe! WOO HOO!".



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Subject: [mw] inquiry to extinction

premise of the generation:
  information is power.

i thought of this phrase earlier today for about 10 seconds, when it occured
to me.
  disinformation is power too.

anyone have any comments as to which is either A) most widely used in our
society to reach desired goals, information or disinformation? or
B) which is most effective, in whatever endeavor its being applied to?
and why not, C) which is more fun to spread?

does this make any sense?

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there wasn't a census in 99 you dipshit.

> 
> 1999 census stats...

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micah.topping-eds@eds.com writes:

<< national census is every 10 years.
 there are private censuses(censi?) all the time, and I wouldn't 
be surprised if the state kept records on that stuff, whenever they 
felt like countin people >>

that is correct.

i got my information from 2 different sites...

here's one of them...

http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/metro-city/
SC10K98-T3-DR.txt

sheesh, i actually go outta my way to do all this research for
everybody, and the bitches still bitch!!

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sluck@frontiernet.net writes:

<< It all started with acid house parties? where do you think
 the acid came from? The drug came before the music style.  
 As a side note, I think most of those detroit producers would  
 have been producing wether or not hte acid house scene came 
 and went or evolved into the 'rave scene.'    >>

God damn media bullshit believing idiots like you!!

acid house music got its name from the tweaked out
acidic sound of Roland 303's used to produce electronic
music!!...acid house music was produced mainly in Belgium
and Los Angeles, but got its roots from Chicago House.

I was involved with some of those early acid house music
parties, and it was about acid house MUSIC, not god damn
LSD!!

The parties I was involved with circa 1991 were thrown by
musicians, artists, and dj's!!...* NOT * god damn crack heads!!

It was the CIA that introduced these drugs to the ghetto as
an attempt to control the poor and reap more profits for
their shady operations.

Do not *EVER* try to classify the Underground Movement with
the shadey exploits of the CIA ever again!!

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only one problem with that stevie...bout 2 nites ago on the news they were 
talking about how the City of Cincinnati has topped 500,000 on early census 
estimates. The other problem is that there are about 10 areas that are part 
of the City of Cincinnat as far as taxes, police, fire, road repair, and even 
post offices, but since they are villages they do not qualify in the census. 
Hamilton County (which as anyone who lives in the area can tell you is 90% 
Cincinnati) had a total population of 840,443. The other misleading fact in 
the census is that unfortunately Cincinnati has a large portion of its 
work-force living on the Kentucky side of the area. If the border didn't run 
right through the city you can believe that the population of the area would 
be atleast 20% higher. Columbus might be bigger on some figures, but if you 
took a radius of how far the city of Columbus' population spreads from the 
central city and used that same measurement on Cincinnati (which include the 
KY side of town) it would easily top 600,000.

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eh, you're sorta twisting around what i said... or maybe i'm not stating it
properly...YMMV.

yes, pot and alcohol are considered "cool" by some people.  then again,
there's a big share of the population that, for whatever reason, don't feel
that way.  if you can sell them techno, well, that's $ in the bank.

If a DJ wants to play places where there aren't going to be any people on
drugs, they should build themselves a metal cage and lock themselves in it
when they spin.  Or only play at NA meetings.  21+ clubs are probably better
than a rave, but its not the 700 club! (god i hope i'm taken out of context
on that one some day!)

rock stars being sober, responsible people? heh, no, hell, i've seen vh-1
behind the music before, how could ANYONE say that these days? :)

i *do* think that there's plenty of rock stars now, tho, that have little or
nothing to do with drugs...and their involvement w/ alcohol is minimal and
far from the "lets get wasted and rock out!" 70's ideology... alcohol use is
not out of mainstream, but being a drunken idiot *is*.  most occasions,
anyway...

more than anything else, i was trying to say that its quite possible an
artist does not feel as negative about drugs as they let on, strictly
because it sells better.

and i wanted the opportunity to type that one line about the 14 y/o's and
the futuristinc alien vibe... so that was good too.

-t

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Tony Sebion wrote:
> 
> do you think there's any merit to the idea that even if they didn't hate
> drugs/ravers/raves, that stating that assists the advancement of a more
> mainstream career in music for themselves?

No. Drug use -- at least pot and alcohol -- is considered "cool" by most
consumers of popular culture, as is rebellous posteuring.

> i mean, who wants to be demonized by being the big name DJ that comes out
> and says "i love it when 14 y/o kids are too fucked up to move so they
just
> sit in piles and listen to my music at all night drug dance party orgies
> with the futuristic alien vibe! WOO HOO!".

Umm... no one's saying that. And if a big name DJ doesn't want to play
at a party where he knows there will be teenagers on drugs, he doesn't
have to. There's plenty of posh 21+ clubs...

> also, don't confuse "liking" and "tolerating"... i'm sure a lot of
> mainstream rock bands don't really appreciate the overuse of alcohol at a
> concert they're playing at, [...]

Oh right, cause they're serious musicians and never touch such evil
substances. Come on... are you actually suggesting either that rock
stars are, by and large, sober, responsible people; or that alcohol use
is socially unacceptable (i.e., non-mainstream)?

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oh god save me, i may be siding with stevie!

> acid house music got its name from the tweaked out
> acidic sound of Roland 303's used to produce electronic
> music!!...acid house music was produced mainly in Belgium
> and Los Angeles, but got its roots from Chicago House.
I am gonna agree here, while acid, I am sure had an impact on parties and
the sound and whatever as a drug.
the SOUND of that squelchy synth can bring to mind the word acid, without it
being anything drug related.

> It was the CIA that introduced these drugs to the ghetto as
> an attempt to control the poor and reap more profits for
> their shady operations.
good book:
Acid dreams: Social history of LSD,
no idea on the authors, but i have it at home if anyone wants to know more
about it.
talks about this stuff and the whole movement late 50s up to today.

cia was heavily involved with acid, they themselves don't even dispute that,
they did do experiments 
on unwitting soldiers, inmates and patients, they themselves admit it.
you'd be surprised.

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 OLeSkL@aol.com writes:

<< Columbus might be bigger on some figures, but if you 
 took a radius of how far the city of Columbus' population spreads 
from the  central city and used that same measurement on 
Cincinnati (which include the  KY side of town) it would easily top 
600,000. >>

Pfft, let's see if we include all the suburbs of Columbus (and 
all of these towns are within 5 mins of Columbus)...

Westerville...33,437
Upper Arlington....31,699
Gahanna....31,579
Reynoldsburgh....24,473
Dublin...25,506
Hilliard....19,934
Delaware...18,962
Grove City....18,938

that brings the grand total to:  874, 762!!

in addition, Columbus is the 15th largest city in America, 
Cincinnati isn't even on the top 50.

there's actually quite a few dance clubs here!

what, there's like one or two now in Cinci?...what a joke!!

even people livin in cinci joke about how lame dat city is!!

the only thing Cinci ever had was Larry Flint and Hustler!!
...but he's in Los Angeles now!!

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i think there is a new show on FOX this fall called "siding with stevie".  I
hope its on after "malcolm in the middle".

-t

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>oh god save me, i may be siding with stevie!


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man, i am used to people talking about whose dick is bigger(sorry for the
language ladies),
who can piss further(get it? piss further? oh nevermind), who can spit
better blah blah blah
but never have i seen two people get into such a match of ego as to who
lives in the better city.
I live in dayton.
we aren't big.
we are medium.
i didn't think city pride existed in states like ohio.
keep up the good work boys.

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>I am gonna agree here, while acid, I am sure had an impact on parties and
>the sound and whatever as a drug.
>the SOUND of that squelchy synth can bring to mind the word acid, without it
>being anything drug related.

so who are you agreeing with?

And why the moniker acid? house? why not wierd sounding music house? or
something else.  Please this isnt rocket science.  Why did they choose the
word ACID as opposed to somethingelse else to describe this music? Sure
Acid has a different connotation NOW, now it refers to a particular sound.
But really, has anyone read the liner notes of some of richie hawtin's
earlier cd's SHEET ONE (for example), anyone recall what the insert to the
cd was?  Anyone bother to listen to the some of the samples on that album?  

If you think the two had nothing to do with each other you are being naive,
or your trying to  spread some disinformation. 

>
>cia was heavily involved with acid, they themselves don't even dispute that,
>they did do experiments 
>on unwitting soldiers, inmates and patients, they themselves admit it.
>you'd be surprised.

No I wouldnt be suprised, but this doesnt really have anything to do with
the discussion at hand.  People in the cia wear pants... people producing
acid music wear pants.  I dont see a negative association there.

I just strongly believe from what I have heard/read/witnessed that drugs
were integral to the begining of this scene (and still are to a lesser to
degree).  Is this good or bad?  yes.
Would this 'scene' be here with out them? probably not (IMO),  Would it
survive with out them now? most definitely.  Would it be better now w/o
them?  I dont know, I'm not afraid to find out though.

tad



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I only have one thing to say:

Amen sister.


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You can argue things both ways.

Whether you like it or not, music is tied with drugs.
Always has been, always will be.

They don't depend on each other to thrive but they do foster each other's
continuance.

The choice is yours whether to partake or not.

Love,
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no, we shoudl probably just decide for everyone else right now here in this
forum.

i hope that the peopel that choose not to take drugs don't get too upset
when we tell them they have to or they're not a real raver.

-t

ps - (sarsasm? yes, please, a double helping!)

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> so who are you agreeing with?
i don't believe in agreeing with people.

> And why the moniker acid? house? why not wierd sounding music 
> house? or
> something else.  Please this isnt rocket science.  Why did 
> they choose the
> word ACID as opposed to somethingelse else to describe this 
> music? Sure
> Acid has a different connotation NOW, now it refers to a 
> particular sound.
> But really, has anyone read the liner notes of some of richie hawtin's
> earlier cd's SHEET ONE (for example), anyone recall what the 
> insert to the
> cd was?  Anyone bother to listen to the some of the samples 
> on that album?  
well, i am not denying drugs play a large role in music.
take ANY style of music, oh look! drugs!
i am saying that you can take it either way, if i WERE to argue ANYTHING
about this topic
it would be the irrelevancy as to where the term came from and where it all
is going.
but i don't care cause this music will come out of my basement whether
parties exist or not,
whether cd's are pressed or not.
but anyway, the granularity of the 'acid' bassline does sound
very...decomposed?
its not your common sine wave smooth kind of sound, it COULD sound as if it
had been eaten away
by acid.
and what makes that sound any more acidy than other sounds?
what made them pick that particular style/sound and name it after acid?
is it inherrently trippy?
i personally think shit with lots of delay and reverb is trippier than a
bunch of squelchy screchy sounds,
not that im against them either.


> If you think the two had nothing to do with each other you 
> are being naive,
> or your trying to  spread some disinformation. 
disinformation only works when people care what you have to say, i know
better than that in mw-raves.


> No I wouldnt be suprised, but this doesnt really have 
> anything to do with
> the discussion at hand.  People in the cia wear pants... 
> people producing
> acid music wear pants.  I dont see a negative association there.
and this my friend is exactly how topics in real life discussions move from
one thing to the next.
someone mentions a, someone mentions b that has some small similarity to a,
people discuss both, its
an endless cycle.
were we only to discuss the "discussion at hand" would make the whole theory
behind public discussion kinda dull, no?

> I just strongly believe from what I have heard/read/witnessed 
> that drugs
> were integral to the begining of this scene (and still are to 
> a lesser to
> degree).  Is this good or bad?  yes.
> Would this 'scene' be here with out them? probably not (IMO), 
>  Would it
> survive with out them now? most definitely.  Would it be 
> better now w/o
> them?  I dont know, I'm not afraid to find out though.

i don't believe in open ended questions.
or close minded answers.

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<<the only thing Cinci ever had was Larry Flint and Hustler!! 
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Hey, we still have our Hustler downtown, baby!

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well you're not that far from the truth.  I remember
reading an article a year or two ago where they said
that when people are in love their body produces
Dopamine<sp> and they feel that happy in love feeling.
 Well this only works for about 2 years with any one
person so after those 2 years at most you stop
producing this hormone when you are around this person
and that happy in love feeling fades.  one can however
buy a supplement of this hormone.  I have seen it in
vitamin stores sold to improve mood much like St.
John's wort is supposed to.
  I have to agree though that love is shit since my
personal experience with it haven't been all good...or
any good for that matter.  I just keep telling myself
that I'm young yet but that can only last for so many
more years :(  Love sucks
  Well after that depressing moment anyone want to
have popcorn and watch a few good horror films.  Well
good in so far as they are to terrible to even really
warrant the title as movie :)   Everyone have a spiffy
day.

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> that when people are in love their body produces
> Dopamine<sp> and they feel that happy in love feeling.
>  Well this only works for about 2 years with any one
> person so after those 2 years at most you stop
> producing this hormone when you are around this person

I have heard of the dopamine theory.
This is first I have heard of the two year rule, that kinda sucks.
One thing though, I don't recall scientists having yet decided if
dopamine leads to love feelings or being in love generates dopamine.
hell chocolate sparks the internal generation of dopamine.

but i would also become fearful of the impact research like this may have,
i honestly could believe that dopamine production could be cut back because
someone thinks, oops its been two years my body can't possibly be generating
any
more dopamine, im fooling myself with this whole love deal.
that would be bad.

my personal experiences with love fade pretty damn fast, maybe i have a
quick buildup
of dopamine tolerance.

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you idiots are still arguing with stevie?

LET IT GO

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arguing?!?!?! hell, did you get get back here? i think somehow we're putting
on a party in his honor?   in his home state?

shez, lemme get hell on the phone and see if they need any blankets.

-t

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you idiots are still arguing with stevie?

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Right on...I met my dude at a party in a few months ago...It was a shit
party now that I think about it...No Foolin...It sucked cuz it got shut
down...In any event...

When I first met him, it was like, "Wow, you make me feel high..." Now it's
like, "Wow, you make me wanna GET high..."

Love starts, love ends, love hurts, love dies...Werd to yer mutha...

Late,

Miztie

On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:42:54 -0700 (PDT), Julie Kubik wrote:

>  well you're not that far from the truth.  I remember
>  reading an article a year or two ago where they said
>  that when people are in love their body produces
>  Dopamine<sp> and they feel that happy in love feeling.
>   Well this only works for about 2 years with any one
>  person so after those 2 years at most you stop
>  producing this hormone when you are around this person
>  and that happy in love feeling fades.  one can however
>  buy a supplement of this hormone.  I have seen it in
>  vitamin stores sold to improve mood much like St.
>  John's wort is supposed to.
>    I have to agree though that love is shit since my
>  personal experience with it haven't been all good...or
>  any good for that matter.  I just keep telling myself
>  that I'm young yet but that can only last for so many
>  more years :(  Love sucks
>    Well after that depressing moment anyone want to
>  have popcorn and watch a few good horror films.  Well
>  good in so far as they are to terrible to even really
>  warrant the title as movie :)   Everyone have a spiffy
>  day.
>  
>       The Good Cookie
>  
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>  
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welcome back, jon.
good to have ya.
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> you idiots are still arguing with stevie?
> 
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thank you ;)

so... netmeet at red!?!

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, bitch on wheels wrote:

>welcome back, jon.
>good to have ya.
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>
>
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> >  well you're not that far from the truth.  I remember
> >  reading an article a year or two ago where they said
> >  that when people are in love their body produces
> >  Dopamine<sp> and they feel that happy in love feeling.
> >   Well this only works for about 2 years with any one
> >  person so after those 2 years at most you stop
> >  producing this hormone when you are around this person
> >  and that happy in love feeling fades.

A wise man (Was it Einstein? I can't remember right now) once said 
"happiness is but water on the brain." But I can't help thinking true love 
is a little more than a chemical reaction.

To believe that the giddy, "high" feeling, the one you get the first time 
you self-consciously lean towards someone, hoping they will kiss back when 
your lips meet, will last forever is a bit immature. Of course at some point 
you're gonna get bored with someone. But that, my friends, is when you find 
out if you truly love them.

Love is about more than instant gratification, my generation y buddies. Love 
isn't a pill. Or ice cream. Or a video game.

Love is waking up next to a person for 20 years straight and looking over on 
the last day of the 20th year and saying, "Damn I'm glad I chose you." Love 
is wanting to sacrifice, to do for, to give to…

Love means smelling someone's farts. Cleaning up their puke when they've 
drank too much and made an ass out of themselves at the party. And knowing 
they would do the same.

It's as mundane as it is ethereal.
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Topping, Micah (Mastech) wrote:

> > so who are you agreeing with?
> i don't believe in agreeing with people.

i agree.



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now THAT is a personal ad i wanna read somewhere...

'wanted: someone to smell my farts.  caring person to clean up my puke.'

-t

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Love means smelling someone's farts. Cleaning up their puke when they've 
drank too much and made an ass out of themselves at the party. And knowing 
they would do the same.

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http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/napster_state000810.html

Look at the last little blurb in this article too.. pretty
funny.

Animal sex, huh?  Oh the white house network?

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> premise of the generation:
>   information is power.
>
> i thought of this phrase earlier today for about 10 seconds, when it
occured
> to me.
>   disinformation is power too.
>
> anyone have any comments as to which is either A) most widely used in our
> society to reach desired goals, information or disinformation?

    I would say disinformation is much more widely used, look at politics,
drug policy, catholicism, THIS LIST, rumor mongering, etc, etc...

or
> B) which is most effective, in whatever endeavor its being applied to?
> and why not,

    Disinformation is most effective, because often it looks like
information and is usually fairly easy to just accept and believe.

C) which is more fun to spread?

    I personally think real information is more fun, there's so little of it
going around...

Matt Murphy
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Where does the term "acid" come from in dance music?
Here's the email I sent to the list last September
when we had this same discussion:

>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 16:55:56 -0600
>Subject: [mw] On "Acid"
>Reply-To: "Kevin M. Ryan" <kevinryan@facstaff.wisc.edu>
>
>Simon Reynolds on the term "acid" and house:
>
>"Pierre, Jefferson, and Co gave a tape of the session
>to DJ Ron Hardy.  The track [Phuture's "Acid Tracks"]
>became such a sensation at the Music Box that it was
>known as Ron Hardy's Acid Trax, a reference to the
>rumor that the club's intense, flipped-out vibe was
>caused by the promoters' putting LSD in the water
>supply.  Subsequently, acid producers strove to
>distance the music from hallucinogenics, claiming the
>name was chosen because the 303's weird 'n' wired
>sound reminded them of acid rock.  Another story
>circulating by mid-1988 was that "acid" came from
>"acid burn," Chicago slang for sampling somebody
>else's sound--not really plausible, since sampling
>didn't play a major role in early house, which was
>based on analog synths rather than digital technology."
>
>I think a couple of you said a couple of those things
>already, but there you have it.  I'm just parroting
>Reynolds, though (Using a reference!  I'm such a
>college dweeb!), I personally don't know JACK about
>HOUSE (bu-dump ching).
>
>At any rate, "acid rock" has been around since the
>1960s, and I don't think there's any doubt that the
>association of "acid" with a genre of music referred
>to LSD.  This isn't anything new, guys.
>
>What else does acid mean?  I don't think producers
>had the concentration of hydrogen ions or the
>neutralization of alkalis in mind when they used the
>term in the tracks.  But what do I know?  In 1988,
>I was still years away from getting into Pearl Jam
>and Metallica, much less kickin' it undaground stylee.
>
>Now an mw-raves-digest loser (it's all part of my
>proactive "save the drama fo yo mama" policy).
>
>np: J. Little "The Hump is On" 12"


Kevin Ryan
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man i've been posting a lot the past few days.

anyway, i always get a kick out of seeing what people say when being asked
about music, i tell them i like acid (among other things).

it sorta makes me wish there was a genre of music called "rape your mom" or
"kiddie porn" to see if it'd have the same reaction.

yes, this is how my brain works when i am fully rested.

-t

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Where does the term "acid" come from in dance music?
Here's the email I sent to the list last September
when we had this same discussion:

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First off Liquid Groove would like to thank everyone that 
attended Liquified Science on Aug 9th. It was a wicked night
and Dara is ready to come back again next month!

Now coming up August 26th we have a very nice event 
with Quivver, Icey, Dieselboy, and Conficius of RITM.
The full info on that event can be found at...

www.liquified.com

Alright now what alot of people have been waiting for
LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE on sept 30th. You guys get the special
Sneek Preview here, this line-up has not been released 
anywhere else yet! Enjoy! and remember this line-up is not 
done yet, there is alot more to be added

Liquid Groove presents...

LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE

Saturday September 30th 2000
Atlanta GA


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Main Room


JOHN DIGWEED
(bedrock, twilo, UK)


JOSH WINK
(611, philly)


UBERZONE
(city of angels, LA)


DOC MARTIN
(wax, tight, LA)


KAZELL
(liquidgroove, global grooves, LA)


J-LUV
(rewind, outerlimits, atl)


~~~~~~~~~~Drum and Bass Room:


ANDY C.
along with MC RYMETYME
(ram records, UK)


ED RUSH
(virus recordings, UK)


ZINC
(true playazs, UK)


DARA
(breakbeat science, NYC)


E-SASSIN
(something or another, LA)


BOBBLE
(rewind, atlanta)



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Room 3:

THIS ROOM IS NOT DONE YET! We will be releasing
a bunch more locals and regionals in this room 
with the full line-up!

CLAY IVEY
(f-111, cafeinne, atl)


ORACLE
(something, cincinatti)


MICO
(neshan, SC)


DJ SARDUAKAR
(atlanta)


more djs tba





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>Where does the term "acid" come from in dance music?

Me. I created it. I named it. You like those tracks? You can thank me.
You're welcome,
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Subject: [mw] RED - august 26th - indianapolis 

NOTE: we will be giving out MORE tshirts at various events around the
midwest. these official RED tshirts allow you FREE entry into the
party! =)  now for the actual partay INFO.....

LORE PRODUCTIONS presents:

RED
AUGUST 26TH
indianapolis, in

$18 with canned good or wearing all red before midnight....$20 with canned
good or wearing all red after midnight....$25 at any time if you don't
wear all red or bring a canned good...we are donating all canned goods to
the local food kitchen so be nice and bring one!

featuring the talents of:

Oliver Ho - [london, uk meta/blueprint/surface/drumcode/planet rhythm] 

Mumtaz - [chicago, il - elegal underground] 

Eye-D  - [the netherlands - mokum records, def wish records, kultbox
records, ghetto safari, black monolith breaks, coolman records] 

Derek Plaslaiko - [detroit - detroit bachelor djs, konfused?]

-----spinning a very special 2 hr 3 way tagteam on 4 turntables---------

Shiva [indianapolis, in - goddess complex, subterror]

Matt Bandy [lexington, ky - aliensquad, subterror]

Adam Jay [indianapolis, in - azure records, subterror]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

React [cincinnati, oh - subsonik productions]

Slater Hogan [indianapolis, in - genius insanity, muzique boutique]

Craco Saca [louisville, ky - teknomafia, cloak recordings]

Varsha - [indianapolis, in - subterror, psychedelic trance liberation
front, scarab]

Chad M. Sponholz [milwaukee,wi - konfused?]

Matt Sntx [chicago, il - konfused?]

-------special interactive performance by-----------

The Chef [louisville, ky - SKL]

Strange Loop [louisville, ky - SKL - www.strangeloop.nu]

Marky Mark [cincinnati, oh - SKL - architecture geek]

=========
sound and RED lighting scheme provided by: project 7 - louisville, ky
visuals by: VAST - dayton, oh

infoline: 317 - 767 5962 - lore productions
email: teknoho@konfused.net or lorie@konfused.net for more info...all
guest list requests must be made by august 20th. 

jello wrestling provided by: playmate productions of bloomington, in 

to view flyer go to http://www.angelfire.com/in/azurerecords/red.html

SUPPORT INFOLINES:
full spectrum - chicago 773 509 6343
aliensquad - lexington - 859-296-7800
SUBterror- indianapolis - (317)335-mixx
teknomafia- indianapolis - (317)579-3007
subsonik - cincinnati - (513)682.3282  http://subsonik.linenoiz.com 
www.trustthedj.com
=================================

shoutouts to everyone who made this event possible. we are totally
grateful and totally amazed at the numbers of people who helped us make
this party happen. we put our heart and soul into this party and it is
dedicated for all of you who still have a love for what goes down when the
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Subject: Re: [mw] Drugz!

There's somebody spinning jungle out on library mall
about 50 feet from me (I'm in the library--I can hear
them).  It's funny, there's like this big circle of
raver types and they all want to dance but they're
too embarassed.  I find it amusing how you drop
some phat beats and suddenly all these alternateens
in baggy jeans just sorta crawl out of the woodwork.
My point?  I don't have one.  Anyway...

>Whether you like it or not, music is tied with drugs.
>Always has been, always will be.

I disagree--I think of my favorite artists (like
Chopin, Scriabin, Mozart, Respighi, Tallis,
Rachmaninoff, Bruckner, etc.) and I don't think
drugs had any bearing on any of their music.  What
about John Cage?  Or Van Morrison?  Or Kraftwerk?
Or the fucking Indigo Girls?  I could make a huge
list--their music isn't inspired in any way by
drugs.  Even in genres where the artists often do
lots of drugs, I don't think the drugs have had a
significant influence on the actual sound of the
music (e.g. jazz).  We had this thread before so
I'm not gonna go into details (at least not in
this email).  I say: Credit where credit is due.
Music is often influenced by drugs, but drugs are
by no means an influence on all music or even the
majority of music.  You may find it hard to believe,
but people do have a desire to express themselves
creatively without getting fucked up.

I was going to write about the Derrick May and
sober raves thing but I need to go home and watch
the Simpsons so I'll make this real quick:  Drugs
have always been a part of the "rave" (in the
narrow sense of the word) scene.  But the Belleview
three (May, Atkins, Saunderson) were involved with
other non-rave party scenes for several years before
America started raving.  They were like raves in that
they were all-night parties with DJs spinning dance
music in a venue that's not a dance club.  But they
were different in many ways.  For example, even though
I'm sure there were some drugs there, drugs were by
no means a significant part of these parties.  Also,
the parties were "classy" (people actually dressed up
in casual-formal wear).  So to cut to the chase, I
think drugs are always involved with raves because of
our narrow definition of what a "rave" is (a big expo
center type DJ party with all sorts of fucked up
candykids).  But there are lots of party scenes,
including techno scenes, which don't revolve around
drugs as much as raves.  In Madison
our rave scene grew out of the dance club scene in
1990-92 and that really wasn't a drug-centric scene at
all.  Granted there may have been some drug users,
but of course there always is.  It's quite another
thing for drugs to be a significant part of the scene--
to say the scene is held together by drugs.  Um, so
maybe I said what I wanted to say in there.  Erm.


Kevin Ryan
kevinryan@students.wisc.edu
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Subject: Re: [mw] VNRR: Love is Shit


    It seems to me alot of people mistake love and lust quite a bit. Finding
someone exciting can only last for so long, and that's lust. Being
completely fascinated and enthralled with everything that makes them who
they are is true love. I've experienced both, and have dissapointed a few
women who told me they loved me and expected me to answer likewise, but I
must say love is a truly incredible thing, and should be cherished. I
sometimes fear I've struck my luck for this lifetime and won't ever find
someone to love as a permanent companion, but who knows, sometimes lightning
does strike twice. I would say to Dating sucks, love is great but alot of
other stupid shit is mistaken for love.

Matt Murphy
sound.light.motion
murph@mr.net

>   I have to agree though that love is shit since my
> personal experience with it haven't been all good...or
> any good for that matter.  I just keep telling myself
> that I'm young yet but that can only last for so many
> more years :(  Love sucks



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Subject: Re: [mw] Drugz!

> >Whether you like it or not, music is tied with drugs.
> >Always has been, always will be.
>
> I disagree--I think of my favorite artists (like
> Chopin, Scriabin, Mozart, Respighi, Tallis,
> Rachmaninoff, Bruckner, etc.) and I don't think
> drugs had any bearing on any of their music.

    How do you know? Those guys have been dead a long long time, who knows
what they did to get in the mood for composing, alot of drugs weren't nearly
as taboo back in the old days and may simply not have been given another
thought.

> You may find it hard to believe,
> but people do have a desire to express themselves
> creatively without getting fucked up.

    Well Duh.


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> > I disagree--I think of my favorite artists (like
> > Chopin, Scriabin, Mozart, Respighi, Tallis,
> > Rachmaninoff, Bruckner, etc.) and I don't think
> > drugs had any bearing on any of their music.

Do some reading on the history of music.  You will find that even if the
artist did not have involvement with drugs, the "scene" that he or she was
writing for or having his music played at was intertwined with some sort
of drug culture.

> > You may find it hard to believe,
> > but people do have a desire to express themselves
> > creatively without getting fucked up.
> 
>     Well Duh.

Well Duh. :) There is no way that I would perform while intoxicated on
anything but life.

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Subject: Re: [mw] Drugz!

Oh, thank God. Another thread about drugs. How refreshing.

>
>
> > > I disagree--I think of my favorite artists (like
> > > Chopin, Scriabin, Mozart, Respighi, Tallis,
> > > Rachmaninoff, Bruckner, etc.) and I don't think
> > > drugs had any bearing on any of their music.
>
>Do some reading on the history of music.  You will find that even if the
>artist did not have involvement with drugs, the "scene" that he or she was
>writing for or having his music played at was intertwined with some sort
>of drug culture.
>
> > > You may find it hard to believe,
> > > but people do have a desire to express themselves
> > > creatively without getting fucked up.
> >
> >     Well Duh.
>
>Well Duh. :) There is no way that I would perform while intoxicated on
>anything but life.
>
>Love,
>   Nick
>
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From mw-raves-return-5496-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 11 01:30:12 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] Drugz!

i can't rock a beat without shooting 20 cc's of methacathinone to the jugular.



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Subject: [mw] This Is very sad!

I have never seen a list with so much bullshit In my
entire life...I thought pb-cle was bad....geez oh man!
you all are a bunch of fucking crackheads! this just
goes to show you..."you always think the grass is
greener on the other side" Holy shit people this has
to be the worst, most poor excuse for a raves list!
you all are the most fucked in the head individuals I
have ever read!!! no wounder you parties are getting
shut down if your parties were even remotely as
organized as this list, I could see why! don't bother
with the door I can see my way out just fine!
anyone else? mw-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org

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WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-t

ps - we bad, we know it... aw yeah...
 
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I have never seen a list with so much bullshit In my
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From mw-raves-return-5499-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 11 01:50:23 2000
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In a message dated 8/10/00 8:42:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
bassdancer420@yahoo.com writes:

<< mw-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>



SUICIDE IS A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO A TEMPORARY PROBLEM.



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From mw-raves-return-5500-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 11 01:50:30 2000
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At 06:42 PM 8/10/00 -0700, michael truby wrote:
>I have never seen a list with so much bullshit In my
>entire life


That's why it's fun.  You think people take this list seriously?




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From mw-raves-return-5501-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 11 01:55:38 2000
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Subject: [mw] saturday?

Anyone returning to Chicago on Sunday after Saturday night visits to Indy or 
Columbus?

Probably a long shot, guess i'll have to fly there.

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From mw-raves-return-5502-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 11 02:00:42 2000
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, matahari wrote:

-->At 06:42 PM 8/10/00 -0700, michael truby wrote:
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-->That's why it's fun.  You think people take this list seriously?

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>>I have never seen a list with so much bullshit In my
>>entire life

>That's why it's fun.  You think people take this list seriously?

true, lets see if we can categorize every conversation on this list:

1) someone says something intelligent, there are comments on it, and two or
more people argue about how their points, no matter how similar, are still
entirely different

2) someone says something inane, there are comments on it, and two or more
people argue about how their points, no matter how similar, are still
entirely different.  at the same time, one or more people will continue to
point out how inane it was to bring up in the first place.

3) every few months someone will bring up drugs and their connection to
raves/rave-type-music.

4) every few months (should i change that to minutes?) someone will get
horribly offended by stevie t

5) parties will happen. some will suck, some will be awesome, most will have
reviews of one type or another.  surprisingly, most reviews will be about
the same.

6) if things get boring, you can always use funny rave words like
"alien","plur","vibe", or old skool computer world terms (like the current
discussion re: drug wars) to unify the group.  everyone will cheer for a
short time and write one liners.  joy joy joy.

7) people will say the list is stupid and unsubscribe publicly.

8) other people will resubscribe and they will be re-welcomed.

9) the ever-occurring "trance sucks" discussion.

10) sometimes an even less important thread will break down into a
grammar/spelling discussion.  eventually, stevie t will get involved and
probably #4 will happen again.

11) if someone hurts themselves @ a rave (an od, someone stubs their toe,
etc), that'll spawn a huge debate that, even though it starts out valid,
usually ends in #10, which will later lead to #4.

did i miss any?

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Uh, is it just me or is your handle "bassdancer420"?


>From: michael truby <bassdancer420@yahoo.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>CC: mw-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] This Is very sad!
>Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 18:42:02 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I have never seen a list with so much bullshit In my
>entire life...I thought pb-cle was bad....geez oh man!
>you all are a bunch of fucking crackheads! this just
>goes to show you..."you always think the grass is
>greener on the other side" Holy shit people this has
>to be the worst, most poor excuse for a raves list!
>you all are the most fucked in the head individuals I
>have ever read!!! no wounder you parties are getting
>shut down if your parties were even remotely as
>organized as this list, I could see why! don't bother
>with the door I can see my way out just fine!
>anyone else? mw-raves-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org
>
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Enter: me.

>2) someone says something inane,
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>did i miss any?
>


I think you've pretty much got it.  Except instead of people getting
horribly offended by Stevie T, they tend to just get really angry at him,
then a whole slew of posts saying "Stevie T can go fuck a goat!" come
through, then Stevie disappears for a few days and appears with yet another
AOL account (gee, like we couldn't figure it out). 

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> 6) if things get boring, you can always use funny rave words like
> "alien","plur","vibe", or old skool computer world terms (like the current
> discussion re: drug wars) to unify the group.  everyone will cheer for a
> short time and write one liners.  joy joy joy.

Alien PLUR vibe... Cheer!!! <--- One Line
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>You think people take this list seriously?

I wish more people did...


Kevin

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>I wish more people did...

Honestly, I do too.  It's got the potential to be a great resource. 


>
>np: Panacea "Twisted Designz" CD
>
>(ARE YOU READY FOR PANACEA-A-A-A-A-A!?)


Damn the U.S. and their Visa system. 


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bassdancer420@yahoo.com writes:

<< I have never seen a list with so much bullshit In my
 entire life...I thought pb-cle was bad....geez oh man!
 you all are a bunch of fucking crackheads!  >>

is this michael knight?

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 ----- Original Message ----- 
 
 > RECLAIM YOUR HOUSE NATION
 > 
 > Recently, our house movement has been under attack
 > from all sides. The once loving family of united party
 > people have apparently begun to faction off into many
 > small groups of promoters/ dj's/ and social scenes. We
 > can't have this! The never ending search for money,
 > success, and prestige can drive nearly anyone down to
 > an all time low. Promoters skip town without paying
 > for services rendered. Cliquish groups of people snub
 > those around them. Innocent party people drive long
 > distances and pay large amounts of money only to find
 > an empty warehouse, or dj's that weren't that were
 > never on the flyer to begin with. Promoters give
 > interviews to the press about our scene in order to
 > turn a higher profit. All of these things and more are
 > going on around us all the time. Obviously this kind
 > of information is a sure fire bummer, but it's these
 > kinds of problems that will eventually destroy our
 > house nation forever! Many of us believe that this
 > movement is a meaningful one, full of love and good
 > people, NOT a money-making business venture. We have
 > the potential to come together from all walks of life
 > (regardless of race, creed, religion, or sexuality)
 > and unite in mind, body, and spirit. It's up to us to
 > make this happen; without our collective
 > participation, love, trust, and support, we are
 > nothing.
 > 
 > Here are some suggestions from your friends:
 > 
 > Do question the cover charge you pay and where that
 > money goes
 > Do question the intentions of a party larger than 500
 > people
 > Do question your support of negative people, dj's, and
 > promoters
 > Do question your association with people who only seem
 > to talk about money and/or drugs
 > Do support a variety of dj's and parties
 > Do know your promoters and who they are involved with
 > Do know if your promotor pays their dj's and staff
 > Do educate yourself and your friends about the drugs
 > you take and all the precautions necessary to protect
 > yourself from harm
 > Do know your sources well
 > Do remember to eat, sleep, and drink a lot of water
 > Do take god care of yourself and your loved ones
 > Do make at least one new friend every party you go to
 > Do love and remember
 > Do forgive and forget
 > Do remember that if someone tells you something about
 > someone else that isn't very nice, that same person is
 > probably saying something that isn't very nice about
 > you when you're not around
 > Do question people who take sides and gossip
 > Do smile often and go out of your way to accept
 > everyone around you
 > Do share (your love, your thoughts, and your drugs)
 > Do remember that you are the power of example to
 > everyone around you
 > We realize that these suggestions may not apply to all
 > situations, however, it is our belief that information
 > can only make us stronger and is yours to take or
 > leave as you like.
 > 
 > please feel free to photocopy and distribute this
 > flyer


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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< 10) sometimes an even less important thread will break down into a
 grammar/spelling discussion.  eventually, stevie t will get involved and
 probably #4 will happen again. >>

yes, it does suck being the only voice of reason in a list
chock full of crackheads!!

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damn y'all are a bunch of fucknig whiny babies. shut
up I am trying to sleep.

misha

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> >I wish more people did...
>
> Honestly, I do too.  It's got the potential to be a great resource.
>
>
> >
> >np: Panacea "Twisted Designz" CD
> >
> >(ARE YOU READY FOR PANACEA-A-A-A-A-A!?)
>
>
> Damn the U.S. and their Visa system.

    Any idea what's up with this? I keep hearing rumors that he's not gonna
be at All Mixed Up 2 in Minneapolis tomorrow, though no official word... You
know something I don't?

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>    Any idea what's up with this? I keep hearing rumors that he's not gonna
>be at All Mixed Up 2 in Minneapolis tomorrow, though no official word... You
>know something I don't?
>


I know everything =) 


Yeah, as far as the latest news is, he's been having Visa problems.
There's the chance he'll be there, but don't bet all your money. 


-a- (whohatestospreadrumorsandstufflikethat,butohwell)
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sit in piles and listen to my music at all night drug dance party orgies
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> >    Any idea what's up with this? I keep hearing rumors that he's not
gonna
> >be at All Mixed Up 2 in Minneapolis tomorrow, though no official word...
You
> >know something I don't?
> >
>
>
> I know everything =)
>
>
> Yeah, as far as the latest news is, he's been having Visa problems.
> There's the chance he'll be there, but don't bet all your money.

    Yeah, but where did you hear this, some stupid message board or from
someone involved? I've heard the same shit but I don't really consider
mnrave.com a reliable source... =]

Matt Murphy
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I'm so bored.  tech support is not a fun job if nothing is broken.
anybody else got ICQ out there? =20

39882531

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245940
 
yes, you read that right, i have a 6 digit icq #.
 
mad props for the ton-ster.  did i mention i invented the internet?  didn't
think so...
 
-t

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I'm so bored.  tech support is not a fun job if nothing is broken.
anybody else got ICQ out there?  
 
39882531
 
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>>I wish more people did...

>Honestly, I do too.  It's got the potential to be a great resource. 

oh bah... there's enough intelligent people here (and for some reason they
let me stay here too) that if someone said something that was completely
serious and warranted all of our attention, enough people would respond w/
helpful thoughtful posts.

or, we can keep re-hashing the same stuff over and over again.  and at least
be fun about it.

now who's up for skittles?

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<< pfft, last time i went to Cinci they didn't even have a dance
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again, bad form replying to your own message...but anyway...

mw-raves is my 2nd favorite mailing list.

my favorite mailling list is this simpsons-quote mailing list from
globelists.com, where every post (and i do mean *every* post) is someone
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it used to have a few actual simpsons quotes.  Not any more.

-t

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3546914 <-oneliner

-MikeY!

On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Mike Nanos wrote:

> I'm so bored.  tech support is not a fun job if nothing is broken.
> anybody else got ICQ out there?  
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>    Yeah, but where did you hear this, some stupid message board or from
>someone involved? I've heard the same shit but I don't really consider
>mnrave.com a reliable source... =]

how about the fact that he was supposed to play in minneapolis last weekend
with the architettura show, and didn't get into the country then?  I'd say
that's a pretty good indication that he's having trouble.

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stop mailing me please.

At 10:52 PM 8/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
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||Sooo...   The warehouse, vertigo, electra, and bourbon street mean nothing?

 Quite a list of cultural gems there! Was there a point to this? Oh, right; Cincinnati vs.
Columbus. That's about as bleak a choice as our next presidential election! Y'know, a 50 megaton
warhead somewhere around Xenia would probably carbonize the both of 'em and everything in between?
All that's left to do is cap off the resulting crater and build another Mall of America. Those
hoosier bastards have had the longest indoor waterslide for far too long..





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well...it makes sense...he probably came here before he invented the scene,
henceforth, no dance clubs...stevie speaks the truth !!!

dj oracle aka daniel britt
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booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
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> << pfft, last time i went to Cinci they didn't even have a dance
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||how about the fact that he was supposed to play in minneapolis last weekend
||with the architettura show, and didn't get into the country then?  I'd say
||that's a pretty good indication that he's having trouble.

 i would've liked to have seen this, with or without panacea..

http://www.caipirinha.com/architettura/archinstall.htm

 where are those rocket skates i ordered? i'm gonna miss this, too:

Sun. Aug-13
OVERBOARD Boat Party by Matter/:form
*Dr. Rendezvous (Spelunk, NYC)
*John Selway (Serotonin, NYC)
*Layo & Bushacka (The End, UK)
Boarding at 7:00PM..on PaddleWheel Queen on E. 23rd & East River
Get there early...open Vodka Bar

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||how about the fact that he was supposed to play in minneapolis last weekend
||with the architettura show, and didn't get into the country then?  I'd say
||that's a pretty good indication that he's having trouble.

 i would've liked to have seen this, with or without panacea..

http://www.caipirinha.com/architettura/archinstall.htm

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i didn't post that twice, you're just seeing double. fnord.




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than ever. as my first order of business to celebrate my snazzy new e-mail moniker, i'd like to suggest that we take up a collection to buy stevie t a puppy. 

no i'm not joking. i think he needs something nice, don't you?

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At 11:11 PM 8/10/00 -0500, chris ege wrote:
>>    Yeah, but where did you hear this, some stupid message board or from
>>someone involved? I've heard the same shit but I don't really consider
>>mnrave.com a reliable source... =]
>


Yargh, I accidentally only replied to Matt.  No, I don't trust mnrave
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ha, good thread... what kind?

a mut, because they're just like the common people being kept down?

ummmm, or maybe we need to be asking ourselves "if christ were to come back
to earth to save us all, what sort of dog would he like to have?"

i think i just saw any faith i had left just slipping away.

oops,
-t

ps - death to any of you that just started humming "i did it again".  about
a week ago i saw this little creepy gay boy dancing to this song lip-syncing
it and sort of voguing really slowly in a gay bar here in madison.  it was
like watching someone die.  i was sure for a short time that my eyes were
going to explode.  some how they're totally functional now, though.  imagine
that.

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i'd like to suggest that we take up a collection to buy stevie t a puppy. 

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what list?

> 
> stop mailing me please.
> 
> At 10:52 PM 8/10/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >again, bad form replying to your own message...but anyway...
> >
> >mw-raves is my 2nd favorite mailing list.
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> >my favorite mailling list is this simpsons-quote mailing list from
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> >saying: "Stop mailing me please".  I just got another one.
> >
> >it used to have a few actual simpsons quotes.  Not any more.
> >
> >-t
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*off topic* I just wanted to let everyone know how good I feel right now....  
  Can't tell ya why, tho.. heheh

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> >Whether you like it or not, music is tied with drugs.
> >Always has been, always will be.
 
> I disagree--I think of my favorite artists (like
> Chopin, Scriabin, Mozart, Respighi, Tallis,
> Rachmaninoff, Bruckner, etc.) and I don't think
> drugs had any bearing on any of their music.  What
> about John Cage?  Or Van Morrison?  Or Kraftwerk?
> Or the fucking Indigo Girls?  I could make a huge
> list--their music isn't inspired in any way by
> drugs.  Even in genres where the artists often do
> lots of drugs, I don't think the drugs have had a
> significant influence on the actual sound of the
> music (e.g. jazz).  We had this thread before so
> I'm not gonna go into details (at least not in
> this email).  I say: Credit where credit is due.
> Music is often influenced by drugs, but drugs are
> by no means an influence on all music or even the
> majority of music.  You may find it hard to believe,
> but people do have a desire to express themselves
> creatively without getting fucked up.
okay, I was thinking this when I wrote that and was just
hoping no one would bring up anything classical or pre-classic.
john cage was too cool for drugs, BUT he was into mushies,
like normal mushrooms...the cooking kind, but you never know!
there are a lot of people that aren't into drugs true.
there are a lot of people that are.
some of each group are musicians.
i would like to point out I never said that music was influenced
by drugs, but a lot of time it is, i said they were tied together
quite often.
and NO I DON'T BELIEVE a word of it!
not a single person in the whole wide world wants to be creative, or
express that without being fucked up!
no way in hell.

oh and jazz was influenced by drugs.  I would even wager to say that they
had a broad influence on each other.

heres a question then, how does music alter or affect people's drug use?
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did you win 50 dollars in the scratch off lottery and you dont' wanna tell
anyone 'cuz they'll wanna borrow money?

if you haven't seen it, rent "american movie".

yeah,
-t

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*off topic* I just wanted to let everyone know how good I feel right now....

  Can't tell ya why, tho.. heheh

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> > I disagree--I think of my favorite artists (like
> > Chopin, Scriabin, Mozart, Respighi, Tallis,
> > Rachmaninoff, Bruckner, etc.) and I don't think
> > drugs had any bearing on any of their music.
> 
>     How do you know? Those guys have been dead a long long 
> time, who knows
> what they did to get in the mood for composing, alot of drugs 
> weren't nearly
> as taboo back in the old days and may simply not have been 
> given another
> thought.

thanks for bringin that up, i completely forgot about some things.

snuff.
snuff was a big ting back den man.
oh and those fuckers got mad drunk with their little dinner jackets all the
time.
trust me, i was there

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> you all are the most fucked in the head individuals I
> have ever read!!! no wounder you parties are getting

thank you!

you think people get like this on accident?
its an artform beeeyotch, take notes on our mad styleez, yoh.

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> ha, good thread... what kind?
no no no!
horrible thread
you all are the most cruel people in existence!

how could you ever submit some poor defenseless puppy to the likes of
stevie?
I say we get him a raver as a pet.

sure they are messier than puppies, they whine more and they are higher
maintenance...
but its worth it when you can hold that pill up above their head and watch
them beg
for hours on hours...
ahh...such fond memories..


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te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< i didn't post that twice, you're just seeing double. fnord. >>

fnord?!...another friggin illuminati wanna-be agent!!

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micah.topping-eds@eds.com writes:

<< sure they are messier than puppies, they whine more and they are higher
 maintenance...
 but its worth it when you can hold that pill up above their head and watch
 them beg
 for hours on hours...
 ahh...such fond memories.. >>

no wonder you knew so much about the CIA involvement w/
the drug trade!!...and how you were trying to say that all
musicians did drugs!!

another freagin sheister for the list!!

this list really is full of crackheads!!

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At 10:44 PM 8/10/00 -0700, you wrote:
>i didn't post that twice, you're just seeing double. fnord.

[Rubs eyes]  "I'm seeing double!  Four Krusties!"

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just so everyone knows, the hardest part about putitng this stevie t FAQ
together has been sorting through and FINDING which posts are his from the
past... dozens of email addresses.

i almost just think y'all should stop unsubscribing him for that reason
alone.  unless you get some sort of sick pleasure in that.  in that case,
i'll bring the vegetable oil and spatulas.

-t

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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: Scribble Jam 2000 INFO 4.0!!!

ok i tried callin the info line but the mail box is full....anyone know the 
cost of admission to all the scribble events ???


-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: Ted Weinberg <te_one@yahoo.com>
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>Subject: [mw] Fwd: Scribble Jam 2000 INFO 4.0!!!
>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:19:05 -0700 (PDT)
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>--- Hotwax <hotwax@fuse.net> wrote:
> > From: "Hotwax" <hotwax@fuse.net>
> > To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> > Subject: Scribble Jam 2000 INFO 4.0!!!
> > Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 19:48:09 -0400
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> > > SCRIBBLE JAM 2000 UPDATE 4.0: (the 4th annual - midwests largest 
>hip-hop
> > event)
> > > 
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > ---
> > >
> > > August 11th -13th >>>>>> CINCINNATI OHIO
> > >
> > > ------ PEEP THE ATTACHED FLYER! ----------------
> > > if you would like to help the cause and distribute the
> > > full-color printed version in your town, please
> > > write: chris@tinboxstudio.com w/ your address etc.
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Just Some of the weekends Featured Performers:
> > > * Dj Magic Mike - (Miami) - the king of miami bass
> > > * Atmosphere - (Minneapolis) - feat: Slug & Abilities
> > > * Mass Hysteria - (Chicago)
> > > * Nobodies - (North Carolina)
> > > * Anticon - (SF) - The Monsters of Art Tour
> > > * Interstellar - (DC)
> > > * Storm "the unpredictable" - (DC)
> > > * Green House Effect - (Columbus)
> > > * Five Deez - (Cincinnati) - Dimensia Recordings
> > > * Truth Music Progeny - (Cincinnati)
> > > * Mr. Dibbs - (Cincinnati) - 1200 Hobos / APSO
> > > * Many More special guests to be announced!
> > >
> > > Friday the 11th: Concert / meet & greet @ Top Cats
> > > Located at: 2826 Vine St - Cincinnati (10pm-2am)
> > >            * Local & National hip-hop groups & djs performing - acts 
>TBA
> > >            * NOTE: SORRY NO Black-books!!! (they were'nt having it.)
> > >            * Large outdoor rooftop patio will be open.
> > >
> > > Saturday the 12th: SCRIBBLE JAM - MAIN EVENT @ The Ritz
> > > Located at: 1754 Seymour Ave. (2pm - 2am)
> > >            * Painting & Battles all in 1 Cincy location!!!
> > >                               - Dj battle
> > >                               - MC battle
> > >                               - B-boy battle
> > >                               - real writers: real walls.
> > >            * Vendor booths { hip-hop gear & music }
> > >            * Music promos & gear give-a-ways
> > >            * Black-books OK!!!  (please respect the venue)
> > >            * HUGE outdoor area for the graff expo
> > >            * Improved viewing for b-boy battles!
> > >            * Food & drink will be sold (vegitarian friendly too!)
> > >
> > >            WANNA BATTLE?: - Djs must be pre-registered,
> > >             Send a short videotape routine to:
> > >             Scribble Jam 2000 - {attn: Mr. Dibbs}
> > >             2410 Walden Glen Cr. - Cincinnati, OH. 45231
> > >             If you have competed in previous years please,
> > >             contact us as a videotape may not be needed.
> > >             (note: this is NOT dibbs' home address.)
> > >
> > >             Emcees & B-Boy crews: who want to battle,
> > >             must be at the Ritz by 1pm!!!! (you will not be
> > >             able to battle if you do not arrive early, as
> > >             there will be a limited number of spaces
> > >             available in each battle. (especially Emcees,
> > >             as we have had enormous numbers in the
> > >             previous years.)
> > >
> > >             JUDGING: the Scribble Jam Commitee is taking
> > >              extra precautions to ensure that judging panels,
> > >              will be Diverse, Non-biased, and Impartial.
> > >              Each battle's judges will be comprised of outside
> > >              "experts" - from across the U.S. - who are not
> > >              related to Scribble jam or the involved contestants
> > >              (whining contestants will be dissed-qualifyed.)
> > >
> > >             GRAFFITI spots are already filled - as we expect to
> > >             fit in 40-50 RESPECTED writers, from across the U.S.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sunday the 13th: PARK JAM @ Burnett Woods - FREE EVENT
> > > located: (Off M.L. King across from U.C. Campus)  12-6pm
> > >            * Concert by Local & National acts
> > >            * large Linoleum circle for the breakers
> > >            * Vendor Booths
> > >            * FREE BBQ - cookout (while food supplies last.)
> > >
> > > Sunday nite: Wind-down After Party @ Top Cats
> > > Located at: 2826 Vine St - Cincinnati (10pm-2am)
> > >           * Djs performing  - TBA
> > >           * Open Mic
> > >           * b-boy circle
> > >
> > > FOR MORE INFO (directions, prices, sponsor contacts)
> > > please visit: www.scribblemagazine.com
> > > (this site will be continueously updated as the event nears.)
> > > or call the INFO LINE: 513.956.8852
> > >
> > > Please feel free to forward this info, to any interested parties.
> > >
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 >oh and those fuckers got mad drunk with their little dinner jackets all the
 >time.
 >trust me, i was there

Haha, yeah.  Mozart always got shitfaced before sitting
down at the piano.  He just wouldn't have it otherwise.
Who would?  I'll give you that: I don't know what historical
composers did and didn't do in their private lives.  Maybe
they were druggies.

 >john cage was too cool for drugs, BUT he was into mushies,
 >like normal mushrooms...the cooking kind, but you never know!

I didn't think of that... But you're right!  Cage was a real
mycophile!  (So am I, incidentally.  I'm all about morels.)

 >i would like to point out I never said that music was influenced
 >by drugs, but a lot of time it is, i said they were tied together
 >quite often.

Okay, I can agree with that.  I wasn't directing that post at
you; it's just all part of the eternal drugs-in-music thread...
I'm just picking up where I dropped off a few months ago...

 >oh and jazz was influenced by drugs.  I would even wager to say
 >that they had a broad influence on each other.

Eh, I'm skeptical.  Yes, drugs were a big part of the jazz
scene.  Were they a big influence on the music itself?
It's hard to say.  People always bring up Charlie Parker
and his heroin habit.  Here's the thing: Parker's habit was
on-and-off.  When he started as a musician he wasn't on
it.  Then he was.  Then he was off for a long time.  Etc.
Throughout all these episodes, though, his music really
sounds the same, suggesting his music was shaped by
non-drug, personal factors.  It's impossible to say exactly
what influences a person's music; even the artist doesn't
really know.  So I suppose it's pointless to argue about.
But it's not safe to say drugs have definitely influenced
jazz... it's controversial.  Many people don't think they
have.  I only know one person who's really into jazz, and
I've had this discussion with him.  Of course drugs are a
big part of the scene, we got that out of the way.  But is
there any discernible influence on the sound?  He told
me about Parker et al, and concluded: who knows.  It's
not a clear-cut case like, say, acid rock.

But the "scene" and the music are two different things,
even though they are codependent.  Just because drugs
are a big part of a scene doesn't mean they've had any
influence on the music.  E.g.: techno.  You think of a
bunch of drugged up ravers.  But you look at the origins
of the music itself in Detroit drugs just aren't an issue
at all.  Juan Atkins et al were just hip to futurism, funk,
and Italo-Disco and enjoyed synthesizers.  The club
parties in north Detroit where techno DJs debuted were
relatively sober affairs.  It was much later (the late 80s,
the acid house revolution) that drugs suddenly became
an integral part of the scene.  But the music came
before the drugs, originally.  I have to side with Stevie T
on this one.  I think it would be wrong to say without
drugs we wouldn't have techno.  It probably wouldn't be
as popular, but innovators tend to explore new sounds
because they have a creative interest in music, not
because they're trying to appease some drug culture
(which seems to be what many contemporary DJs do).
I don't doubt there are subgenres that are heavily
influenced by drugs (like acid house).  But usually
the production side of techno was quite sober, it's just
it became particularly popular among crackheads.

Kevin

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On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 09:09:49 -0500, Kevin Ryan wrote:

>I think it would be wrong to say without
>drugs we wouldn't have techno.  

Ahhh, but it is fair to say that without
drugs we wouldn't have Techno as
we know it.  Drugs may not have
been involved in the birth of Techno,
but they have played an integral
role in its evolution, good or bad.

	- Joe


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> Eh, I'm skeptical.  Yes, drugs were a big part of the jazz
> scene.  Were they a big influence on the music itself?
> It's hard to say.  People always bring up Charlie Parker
> and his heroin habit.  Here's the thing: Parker's habit was
> on-and-off.  When he started as a musician he wasn't on
> it.  Then he was.  Then he was off for a long time.  Etc.
> Throughout all these episodes, though, his music really
> sounds the same, suggesting his music was shaped by
> non-drug, personal factors.  It's impossible to say exactly
> what influences a person's music; even the artist doesn't
> really know.  So I suppose it's pointless to argue about.
> But it's not safe to say drugs have definitely influenced
> jazz... it's controversial.  Many people don't think they
> have.  I only know one person who's really into jazz, and
> I've had this discussion with him.  Of course drugs are a
> big part of the scene, we got that out of the way.  But is
> there any discernible influence on the sound?  He told
> me about Parker et al, and concluded: who knows.  It's
> not a clear-cut case like, say, acid rock.

I can agree with this, I was thinking more of marijuana use and how it
influenced jazz.  I have taken both sides of this argument, even in this
single thread.  I originally sided with stevie that music wasn't born of
drugs, now I am saying drugs have influenced a lot of music.

let me now say something new, based on the good points you had in this post,

especially those about making a destinction between scenes and musics.
Let us say, a sizable amount of the production of these musics were made
sober.
let us also say that many of the composers may have used drugs, but people
that are going to make good music fucked up are also those that want to make
that
good music sober, before they are on anything.
therefore these things would have happened without the use of chemicals
let us also say though that many of those listening to the music, the
supposed
appreciators are (all to?) often under the influence of things, and
sometimes
those that make music make music to cater to that.
as a whole, music in general not any specific style.


hows THAT for pleasing everyone without actually saying anything? 

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> Uh, is it just me or is your handle "bassdancer420"?

touche!

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> np: Panacea "Twisted Designz" CD
> 
> (ARE YOU READY FOR PANACEA-A-A-A-A-A!?)

MY favorite quote from LSD....Now whats this guys name
thats playing again.
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but a friend of mine recently told me that bad company or )EIB( I guess it
is now, are going to be dropping a guy
and adding a fawkin band behind them, live rock instrumentation kinda stuff.
anyone know more about this or even heard of it?

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> thank you Atomly!

Aw shucks, now I'm blushing!  :)

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> >(ARE YOU READY FOR PANACEA-A-A-A-A-A!?)
>
>
>Damn the U.S. and their Visa system.

Or maybe you're just not ready for Panacea.

But seriously:  What could possibly be going on with
this Visa business?  It seems like every month I hear
about some artist cancelling because of Visa issues.
Why would affluent European artists have any trouble
coming to the U.S. for a brief period?  Why would we
deny them?  I mean, Panacea's been here plenty of
times before, so he's not some international felon or
anything.  Lord knows I've stayed in at least 10 foreign
countries with not even a hint of red tape getting in my
way, but maybe I'm just an American citizen who gets
the whole world served to him on a silver platter.  Do
you even need a Visa to visit the U.S. from a European
Union nation?  He wouldn't need a work Visa or
anything, he could just claim he's a tourist.

Well, whatever.  I have a suspicion "Visa problems"
is just a cover-all excuse for something else coming
up for the artist, or the artist not planning ahead
sufficiently, or something like that.  Like promoters
saying "problems beyond our control":  Sure, that's
perfectly valid sometimes (shit happens), but the best
promoters go way out of their way to make sure even if
problems do come up they have back-up plans (e.g.
Even Furthur has two back-up venues if a "problem
beyond their control" pops up with the first choice).
Artists should deal with their Visa shit and make sure
they're legit (legit enough to pre-empt quitting, to
paraphrase MC Hammer) *before* they have their
names plastered all over U.S. events.  Or am I just an
idealist with his head in the clouds?

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Subject: [mw] work visas

a: you do not bring in an international artist without a work visa...it just 
doesnt happen...that tourist bs doesnt work...ask r. hawtin...and if it did 
its not worth risking a career for 1 or 2 paydays...any promoter who tries 
to weasel around it is asking for trouble imho...the visa excuse is very 
valid...sometimes, they just dont come in on time, sometimes people forget 
them, and yes, sometimes its used as an excuse...the trouble with this is on 
the us end...its not just a matter of who is a crimianl or not...if its work 
related, there are issues with a sponsor, whether the performing artist 
actually has places to play and things like that...there are *many* 
performers held up by the us system, and many times without any provocation 
and with places to play...i think someone on here could shed some more light 
on this, but thats a start...

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>From: Kevin Ryan <kevinryan@students.wisc.edu>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] This Is very sad!
>Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:30:59 -0500
>
>
>> >(ARE YOU READY FOR PANACEA-A-A-A-A-A!?)
>>
>>
>>Damn the U.S. and their Visa system.
>
>Or maybe you're just not ready for Panacea.
>
>But seriously:  What could possibly be going on with
>this Visa business?  It seems like every month I hear
>about some artist cancelling because of Visa issues.
>Why would affluent European artists have any trouble
>coming to the U.S. for a brief period?  Why would we
>deny them?  I mean, Panacea's been here plenty of
>times before, so he's not some international felon or
>anything.  Lord knows I've stayed in at least 10 foreign
>countries with not even a hint of red tape getting in my
>way, but maybe I'm just an American citizen who gets
>the whole world served to him on a silver platter.  Do
>you even need a Visa to visit the U.S. from a European
>Union nation?  He wouldn't need a work Visa or
>anything, he could just claim he's a tourist.
>
>Well, whatever.  I have a suspicion "Visa problems"
>is just a cover-all excuse for something else coming
>up for the artist, or the artist not planning ahead
>sufficiently, or something like that.  Like promoters
>saying "problems beyond our control":  Sure, that's
>perfectly valid sometimes (shit happens), but the best
>promoters go way out of their way to make sure even if
>problems do come up they have back-up plans (e.g.
>Even Furthur has two back-up venues if a "problem
>beyond their control" pops up with the first choice).
>Artists should deal with their Visa shit and make sure
>they're legit (legit enough to pre-empt quitting, to
>paraphrase MC Hammer) *before* they have their
>names plastered all over U.S. events.  Or am I just an
>idealist with his head in the clouds?
>
>Kevin
>
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>
>
>
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Got this message from a friend, but I have no car. Is someone traveling out 
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Club Silk
Info line: (719) 262-9283
Blue Amazon - Live PA
Subversive UK, Smile US
Producers and Remixers, Blue Amazon has performed at all the major Clubs in 
the UK and World from Cream, Gate Crasher, Renaissance, and Ibiza to name a 
few. They have also worked with some of the biggest names in the Trance 
scene, Nick Warren, Sasha, Paul Van Dyke, and Paul Oakenfold. Beprepared for 
an incredible performance!
Jazz-e - San Francisco
Trancefusion, UrbanLoops, and Nokturnal
San Francisco's conventional Funky House, and Techno extraordinare. Jazz-e, 
DJ/Producer and Remixer is quickly showing the world what DMC skills and 
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shit mikee, it's primary, something's always broken ;)

anywho, here's mine 84432972

--- Mike Nanos <mnanos@primary.net> wrote:
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> nothing is broken.
> anybody else got ICQ out there?  
> 
> 39882531
> 
> help me
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||I can agree with this, I was thinking more of marijuana use and how it influenced jazz.

..or the far less innocuous cocaine and heroin addictions? Influential, surely; but I think the
fallacy here is viewing drug use among musicians as a simple cause-and-effect relationship (not
that I think you were espousing such a viewpoint, Micah). My point is that, for me, the creative
impulse can arise from any one of countless stimuli serving as a catalyst for something that is
entirely my own; whether that's stubbing my toe or smoking a joint is pretty irrelevant, in my
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I haven't heard that, but doesn't mean its not true.
The best place to check for this info would probably
be the drum n bass arena at 
www.breakbeat.co.uk
I haven't had a chance to read the news lately, so it
could be true.
I do know the next Reprezent album is soon to come
out, but the shit that I've heard so far is kinda
sucky, their doing alot of comercial type shit with
guest aperences by big name artists and even a video
with Hype Williams the big rap video producer.

--- "Topping, Micah (Mastech)"
<micah.topping-eds@eds.com> wrote:
> but a friend of mine recently told me that bad
> company or )EIB( I guess it
> is now, are going to be dropping a guy
> and adding a fawkin band behind them, live rock
> instrumentation kinda stuff.
> anyone know more about this or even heard of it?
> 
> just curious
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Just checked the arena, and yes it is true, sort of, I
don't think they droped anyone.
Anyway, here's the info.
As BC there is to be only one 12' release after
'Digital Nation', 'The Nine' repressed with the
sought-after 'Dogfight' on the flip which will replace
'The Bridge' from the original release.
Then a page gets turned in the BC history books as
they recruit Paul Kodish, a drummer from Prodigy and
Apollo 440 who has already drummed for them on
up-coming numbers from 'D.N' - 'Breathe', 'Son of
Nitrous', and the title track 'Digital Nation'.
It is at this point that BC go live and change their
name to Digital Nation. The ethos for this new 5 piece
live outfit will be to broaden their spectrum for a
wider audience this will be at varied tempo's as the
crew make the transition from DJs to a band. Watch out
as the nation is about to become digitized... 



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Subject: [mw] SF to Chicago Transplant <--Please Read

Hey Everyone-
After 18 years in San Francisco, I'm moving next month
to Chicago for college.  As anyone who's ever left
home knows, what's hard is knowing that you'll have to
leave your friends, your family and your home.  What
makes it even harder for me is knowing that I'm going
to have to leave my scene.  

If you've ever lived here, you know how great the
scene is and how fortunate I was to have gotten to
grow up around it.  I've been a raver, off and on,
since I was 15, a bit over three years ago.  No, I was
never the proverbial 16 year old candy-kid etard,
though I've certainly had my moments :-)  Maybe it's
because the people who helped me get into the scene
were DJs, but what most appealed to me about raving
was the music and the people.

A few years ago, I subscribed to the SFRaves mailing
list, looking mostly for party info.  I had no idea
that I'd end up finding and becoming a member of a
larger community.  I don't know how active this list
is, but what made SFR so cool, was the potential of
actually doing things in real life with people from
online.  Over time, I got to meet lots of great people
from the list, first at public parties, then later at
SFR house parties.  Through the list, I got to help
plan my first party (well, actually a room at a
festival, I did lights).  Someone I met off the list
gave me my first gig as a DJ.  Virtually everyone I've
met has been nice, smart and cool.

I know virtually nothing about and absolutely no one
in the Chicago scene and that kind of scares me.  Two
years ago, I started spinning and it's taken me till
very recently to start getting breaks to play.  Trying
to go through this process again is not something I
look forward to.

What I'd love, is if this list could help me get into
the scene in Chicago and fill the void leaving SFR is
going to leave.  I know people are from all over, but
if you know about Chi-town and could email me and tell
me about the scene, that'd be great.  What crews,
venues, and styles are big?  I spin drum and bass
mostly, but lately have been working up a trance set
(cause DandB don't pay the bills, you know :-)  Are
there any good jungle weeklies?  I've been spoiled in
SF with Eklectic, probably the best DandB weekly in
the country.  I'm not really a fan of massives, but I
don't really mind big parties if they've got an UG
vibe.   How about Chicago record shops?  Where should
I look for vinyl?  Also, if youv'e got any hook ups w/
crews, I've been on a few here and would be happy to
help out w/ parties (I'm good w/ lights) for a DJ slot
or even just to meet people.  I know it's a lot to
ask, but just think of the karmic benefits that you'll
get.

Ravers have been, by far the coolest and most
interesting people I've met and have in turn helped to
make my life cool and interesting.  I hope over the
next few years, I get the chance to meet, party with
and maybe spin for a lot of you.  I know it's been a
long, maybe even cheesey at times, rant, so thanks for
reading.
peace
-Dan AKA Chaser

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> Just checked the arena, and yes it is true, sort of, I
> don't think they droped anyone.

yep, just checked myself.
i may have misunderstood, thanks for pointin me in the right direction.

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i'm in the mood for a gag today...

did anyone know that "guywithglowsticks.com" is an avilable domain?

anyone wanna try something fun with it?

perhaps we can even get "girlwithglowsticks.com" as a companion site?

-t

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i know, replying to self...

but they're purchased... both of them ...i dunno, the only clever thing i
can think of right now is to have one still picture up on each page.

y'all have heard the urban legend about the peopel on vacation that get
their hotel room broken into and nothing is stolen but there's some pictures
taken on their camera...and when they get the roll developed they see the
people that broke into their hotel room w/ their toothbrushes hanging out of
their posterior?

well, i'm thinkin' glowsticks.

how's that? anyone wanna model?

-t

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i'm in the mood for a gag today...

did anyone know that "guywithglowsticks.com" is an avilable domain?

anyone wanna try something fun with it?

perhaps we can even get "girlwithglowsticks.com" as a companion site?

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At 18:12 11-8-00, you wrote:

>but a friend of mine recently told me that bad company or )EIB( I guess it 
>is now, are going to be dropping a guy and adding a fawkin band behind 
>them, live rock instrumentation kinda stuff. anyone know more about this 
>or even heard of it?

Most of that is true. Check [www.breakbeat.co.uk].

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On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 11:08:28AM -0700, Jon Gotti wrote:
> 'Son of Nitrous'

Heh.

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In a message dated 8/11/00 8:22:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
micah.topping-eds@eds.com writes:


<< but its worth it when you can hold that pill up above their head and watch
them beg
for hours on hours...
 >>

isn't that how he gets most of his girls....either pills or alcohol

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<< is now, are going to be dropping a guy
and adding a fawkin band behind them, live rock instrumentation kinda stuff.
anyone know more about this or even heard of it?

just curious
 >>

as much DnB shit that I read, I haven't heard anything about this. I really 
don't see a bad fitting into the style that )EIB( does. Roni Size, yeah...but 
not )EIB(.

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> isn't that how he gets most of his girls....either pills or alcohol
i honestly have no idea,
ive never slept with stevie t

you can quote me on that
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okay...some drummers would be cool with them, but I dont' know about a 
full-fledged band....hmmm...maybe they'll start putting out some tracks with 
a little more variety now, seems like most of the stuff they've been doing as 
of late just sounds a little too much like Nitrous. Even some of the Jungle 
DJs that I hang out with around here have quit buying their stuff cuz its too 
repetitive.


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What list?

just wondering
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In a message dated 8/11/00 2:57:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<< i honestly have no idea,
ive never slept with stevie t

 >>

are you sure about that???? I remember you talking about 5 or  6 days of your 
life missing out of your memory.....hmmmm maybe stevie used his CIA 
connections to abduct you...or maybe his parents came down in the mothership 
and grabbed you and let him do the "Probing" on you

always thought micah walked kinda funny
shawne

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> are you sure about that???? I remember you talking about 5 or 
>  6 days of your 
> life missing out of your memory.....hmmmm maybe stevie used his CIA 
> connections to abduct you...or maybe his parents came down in 
> the mothership 
> and grabbed you and let him do the "Probing" on you
man...a guy smokes some crack ONCE in his life
and people just assume the worst!

> always thought micah walked kinda funny
least i don't run like a girl

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Eh, I don't really find them repetitive, their tracks
don't seem to be all that similar to each other, their
definitely not as great as they are hyped to be, but I
find other camps to be a bit more repetitive than BC
(can we say RAM?).  I think alot of it is the whole,
"well they became popular, so now they must not be
that great" thing (ah the conformity of unconformity).
I really used to like the BC cats before they became
BC, remember Fresh and Vegas?  Otto's Way on Metro was
the fucking cut!

--- OLeSkL@aol.com wrote:
> okay...some drummers would be cool with them, but I
> dont' know about a 
> full-fledged band....hmmm...maybe they'll start
> putting out some tracks with 
> a little more variety now, seems like most of the
> stuff they've been doing as 
> of late just sounds a little too much like Nitrous.
> Even some of the Jungle 
> DJs that I hang out with around here have quit
> buying their stuff cuz its too 
> repetitive.
> 
> 
> shawne


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Subject: [mw] BBQ on 13th in SD

Hey, this is a email to any peeps are going to be in Sioux Falls, SD on 
Sunday(13th), my friends and I are throwing a BBQ.  We will be having local 
djs spin some music for your pleasure.   Please email me if you are 
interested in show up...

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> I can agree with this, I was thinking more of marijuana use and how it
> influenced jazz.  I have taken both sides of this argument, even in this
> single thread.  I originally sided with stevie that music wasn't born of
> drugs, now I am saying drugs have influenced a lot of music.

    Interesting, I've always associated jazz with heroin, can't say I've
studied alot myself but my ex-GF was a big jazz nut and we'd talk for hours
about the influence of drugs on the jazz and techno cultures and what it may
or may not have done to change the music. Conclusion: Who fucking knows.
Artists tend to be the same people who do drugs, but no one has any idea if
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> > always thought micah walked kinda funny
>least i don't run like a girl
>

he walks like a girl cause he has girly legs !!!!

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Subject: RE: [mw] i wanna play

ewwwwwwwww!!! *cringe* Actually, Tony...I have never heard that urban
legend...I really hope that you haven't given anyone on this list some
ideas... ;/

Tony makes my day ;p,

Miztie

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 13:37:39 -0500, Tony Sebion wrote:

>  i know, replying to self...
>  
>  but they're purchased... both of them ...i dunno, the only clever thing i
>  can think of right now is to have one still picture up on each page.
>  
>  y'all have heard the urban legend about the peopel on vacation that get
>  their hotel room broken into and nothing is stolen but there's some
pictures
>  taken on their camera...and when they get the roll developed they see the
>  people that broke into their hotel room w/ their toothbrushes hanging out
of
>  their posterior?
>  
>  well, i'm thinkin' glowsticks.
>  
>  how's that? anyone wanna model?
>  
>  -t
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Tony Sebion 
>  Subject: [mw] i wanna play
>  
>  
>  i'm in the mood for a gag today...
>  
>  did anyone know that "guywithglowsticks.com" is an avilable domain?
>  
>  anyone wanna try something fun with it?
>  
>  perhaps we can even get "girlwithglowsticks.com" as a companion site?
>  
>  -t
>  
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http://www.urbanlegends.com/classic/toothbrushes_on_vacation.html

eh, if i couldn't encourage or aggravate someone i'd know i wasn't trying
hard enough.

-t

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ewwwwwwwww!!! *cringe* Actually, Tony...I have never heard that urban
legend...I really hope that you haven't given anyone on this list some
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>
>> ha, good thread... what kind?
>no no no!
>horrible thread
>you all are the most cruel people in existence!

holy shit! does that mean i win???

>how could you ever submit some poor defenseless puppy to the >likes of stevie?
>I say we get him a raver as a pet.

har.

*ehem*

har har

nope, still can't do it, sorry. i tried. 

the only concerns that i have really are that he would think that the puppy was implanted with some sort of tracking device, and he'd kill it. it really does concern me how deep this paranoia goes, because i honestly do think he could benifit from a pal. 

quit raining on my good deed of the day, micah!!!
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In a message dated 8/11/00 3:08:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
micah.topping-eds@eds.com writes:


<< least i don't run like a girl

 >>

what are you talking about??? I remember that time that you thought you saw 
Keoki across the room,  you ran off like a little school girl yelling "Heeey 
Babyyyyyyyyy come back sweetieeeeee"

man...a guy smokes some crack ONCE in his life
and people just assume the worst!

once in your life?? more like once an hour...micah denial of addiction is the 
second sign of a true problem, I'm sure there's a 19 step program out there 
for you...you should really look into it....

hubba free since 93
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In a message dated 8/11/00 3:13:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<< he walks like a girl cause he has girly legs !!!!

 >>

oh...that was LOW...altho I often admit....but hey, they get to peoples heads 
awfully quick, so it works

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Subject: Re: [mw] i wanna play

Why don't we have a "Hairiest Ass of mw-raves" contest at Even Furthur?  Winner
gets an exclusive modeling contract with guywithglowsticks.com or *shudder*
girlwithglowsticks.com.


Tom

Tony Sebion wrote:

> i know, replying to self...
>
> but they're purchased... both of them ...i dunno, the only clever thing i
> can think of right now is to have one still picture up on each page.
>
> y'all have heard the urban legend about the peopel on vacation that get
> their hotel room broken into and nothing is stolen but there's some pictures
> taken on their camera...and when they get the roll developed they see the
> people that broke into their hotel room w/ their toothbrushes hanging out of
> their posterior?
>
> well, i'm thinkin' glowsticks.
>
> how's that? anyone wanna model?
>
> -t
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Sebion
> Subject: [mw] i wanna play
>
> i'm in the mood for a gag today...
>
> did anyone know that "guywithglowsticks.com" is an avilable domain?
>
> anyone wanna try something fun with it?
>
> perhaps we can even get "girlwithglowsticks.com" as a companion site?
>
> -t
>
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I proclaim myself the winner of that contest already. I think I AM the
hairiest guy in the Mid-West....I mean sheeeit.......I got more hair on my
toungue than yer mom, much less my ass
werd
ricA
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>Why don't we have a "Hairiest Ass of mw-raves" contest at Even Furthur?
Winner
>gets an exclusive modeling contract with guywithglowsticks.com or *shudder*
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>oh...that was LOW...altho I often admit....but hey, they get to peoples 
>heads
>awfully quick, so it works
>
are you thretening me....cause you know i can kick your ass !!!

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>
>hubba free since 93
>shawne
>

HUBBAS !!!!! HUBBAS !!!! DID SOMEONE SAY HUBBAS !?!?!?!? I WANT SOME HUBBAS 
!!!!!

ya know why they say hubbas dont ya shawne ??? cause none of them want to 
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On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:55:57PM -0500, ricA wrote:
> I proclaim myself the winner of that contest already. I think I AM the
> hairiest guy in the Mid-West....I mean sheeeit.......I got more hair on my
> toungue than yer mom, much less my ass

Ya know, if I didn't know what you meant, I'd swear you were saying you
had more hair on your tongue than on your ass, which would be funny.

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Okay, Rica, *Baaaad* mental picture...

Tiz all,

Miztie

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:55:57 -0500, ricA wrote:

>  I proclaim myself the winner of that contest already. I think I AM the
>  hairiest guy in the Mid-West....I mean sheeeit.......I got more hair on
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>  toungue than yer mom, much less my ass
>  werd
>  ricA
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From mw-raves-return-5588-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 11 20:36:41 2000
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>Ya know, if I didn't know what you meant, I'd swear you were saying you
>had more hair on your tongue than on your ass, which would be funny.


yeah....i guess i did word that kinda fucked up

basically, i was saying, i'm a hairy muhfucka

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hhhrrrmmm..    fun w/ glowstix...  well, I'd be interested in seeing what 
would happen with the girlwithglowsticks.com pic would be..  *grin*

Maybe a movie file of a "strobe show"?.. lmao

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ok, just to be obsessive about it... the plural's are also registered.  oh
well, 60 bucks in so far...

hey, this is just windfall from someone asking me if they could buy
webwar.net from me.  i wasn't using it, they offered $300.  SOLD.

look mom, i'm a cybersquatter.

-t

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hhhrrrmmm..    fun w/ glowstix...  well, I'd be interested in seeing what 
would happen with the girlwithglowsticks.com pic would be..  *grin*

Maybe a movie file of a "strobe show"?.. lmao

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does anyone here work for an ISP that can provide secondary dns services at
a decent rate?  i've got primary for all my domains, but it'd be nice to
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also, backup MX hosting?

if you like, i'd be willing to swap secondaries w/ someone...

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From mw-raves-return-5592-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 11 20:50:36 2000
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I think it should be this:
me (since i proclaim myself the winner of the contest) and whoever wins the
girl portion, both have the same glowstick stuck in our asses at the same
time. ya know....like those extra long dildo's that 2 girls fuck themselves
with at the same time?

that would be a good front page headline news sort of picture

ricA
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>hhhrrrmmm..    fun w/ glowstix...  well, I'd be interested in seeing what
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>
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www.granitecanyon.com provides primary and secondary DNS services for
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> does anyone here work for an ISP that can provide secondary dns services at
> a decent rate?  i've got primary for all my domains, but it'd be nice to
> have a backup with someone here...
> 
> also, backup MX hosting?
> 
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>>but hey, they get to peoples 
>>heads
>>awfully quick, so it works
>>
>are you thretening me....cause you know i can kick your ass !!!

i think that all depends on how quickly he kicks you in the head ;]you can't kick his ass when you're already down

pbbth!
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erg, they're *way* less than reliable... 

msg me if you can do better tho.

thanks,
-t

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www.granitecanyon.com provides primary and secondary DNS services for
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>I mean sheeeit.......I got more hair on my
>toungue than yer mom, much less my ass
>werd
>ricA

i feel a "bizzare ride..." urge comin on....time to bust out the box ;]




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Subject: RE: [mw] i wanna play

just send me the pictures, i won't mind if you don't invite me to the actual
event.

-t

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I think it should be this:
<you know>

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||ok i tried callin the info line but the mail box is full....anyone know the 
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 admission to top cat's tonight is $10, the full event tomorrow at the ritz is $15.

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> does anyone here work for an ISP that can provide secondary dns services at
> a decent rate?  i've got primary for all my domains, but it'd be nice to
> have a backup with someone here...

I'm a big fan of just hosting my own (do a whois on atomly.com, for
example).  People always give me crap for it because "what if your
connection goes down."  But if my DNS server is down, my site is down
anyway, duh.  Oh no, they'll get a not found instead of a TCP timeout.

So what I'm saying is that you should just host your own because it's
easy and DNS doesn't take up much bandwidth.

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Subject: [mw] Madison-Bugged out

Just wanted to see how many of you all are gonna make it to bugged out this 
Saturday in Madison. Should be fun. Also, does anyone know when people spin 
in Library mall.  For all you other badgers out there, Miss Holly is now 
spinning every thurs. night at tutto pasta and there is house/trance on wed 
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you've gotta have an ISP that'll work with you to register your IP as a name
server tho...right? or how do you get around that?

ummm, should we be discussing this publicly?  i feel bad taking it private
if people are curious about it, but i don't wanna waste everyone's mailbox
space.

oh who am i kidding, this is mw-raves :)

-t

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Nah, just go to the NSI page and register your nameserver as a
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Subject: [mw] NRR:  Interesting tidbit

I was reading that article on ecstasy.org.. here's an excerpt that reminds me 
of that 60 Minutes thing...

The percentage reporting use of 'Ecstasy (MDMA)' was 7.3% (293 persons out of 
3999) of girls and 9.2% of boys (326/3555), less than the LSD figures which 
were about 12% and 17% in girls and boys respectively. This comparison with 
the LSD figures is of interest when we consider the similarities between the 
media generated 'LSD hysteria' of the 1960s and the media generated 'ecstasy 
hysteria' of the 1990s. Although LSD is a more popular drug now than ever, it 
appears to no longer be seen as a major threat to the mental health of the 
nation by the media, and has largely disappeared from the pages of 
psychiatric journals and tabloid newspapers. This suggests that the way in 
which the media deal with drug issues sometimes has little rational basis. 
This seems particularly likely when we ponder the fact that over one million 
people in the UK have died of smoking related illness in the last 10 years, 
at least 400,000 have died of alcohol related illness, at least 2,500 from 
heroin and related opiates, and at least 1200 from sniffing solvents, while 
the number of people who have died in association with taking the 'killer 
drug' ecstasy numbers a modest 60.34

Just something for the candy kids... lol

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since when?

stuck in the past,
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> drug' ecstasy numbers a modest 60.34

This was a good point, but how the hell did .34 people die?

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> since when?

Since some time after "Feel Like Makin' Love."

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Subject: Re: [mw] NRR:  Interesting tidbit

Out of body experience....   they saw the light, but it was just an acid 
flashback...

<<This was a good point, but how the hell did .34 people die?>>

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<< in addition, Columbus is the 15th largest city in America, 
 Cincinnati isn't even on the top 50. >>

Actually, there was a recents study done on the park sytems in the 25 largest 
cities in america... Cincy made the list... columbus didn't.

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My personal feeling is that love only needs to last until the sun comes up... 
 If I need a suppliment for that, then I'll just chop my dick off and become 
a monk...   *grin* or change my DJ name...  (sorry, it was there)

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At 04:40 PM 8/11/00 -0500, atomly wrote:
>On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 05:47:02PM -0400, OneBadDJ@aol.com wrote:
>> the number of people who have died in association with taking the 'killer 
>> drug' ecstasy numbers a modest 60.34
>
>This was a good point, but how the hell did .34 people die?
>

LOL


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>>>This was a good point, but how the hell did .34 people die?

>Maybe it was an amputee.  

DAMN! 34%! there sure wasn't much left then!

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>>>>This was a good point, but how the hell did .34 people die?
>
>>Maybe it was an amputee.  
>
>DAMN! 34%! there sure wasn't much left then!
>

 
Just the right leg, hopping around...


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> >
> >DAMN! 34%! there sure wasn't much left then!
> >

a head in a jar maybe? 

"i have no legs. i have no legs."

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>>>>This was a good point, but how the hell did .34 people die?
>>
>>>Maybe it was an amputee.  
>>
>>DAMN! 34%! there sure wasn't much left then!
>>
>Just the right leg, hopping around...

yeah, its really sad to see a right leg die an ecstacy-related death.  not a
whole lot of press coverage, as there was just that one.

a very special right leg to the community though.

rave on,
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>yeah, its really sad to see a right leg die an ecstacy-related death.  not a
>whole lot of press coverage, as there was just that one.
>
>a very special right leg to the community though.
>
>rave on,
>-t


It sucks when your leg ODs.  I mean, you tell it time and time again to
stop taking the E, but sometimes it just won't listen...


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micah.topping-eds@eds.com writes:

<< man...a guy smokes some crack ONCE in his life
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Uh oh, she's on to you Shawn, better go hide those
crack pipes now!!

Here's a hint: stuffing em in your fuzzy bras that Jen
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<< Why don't we have a "Hairiest Ass of mw-raves" contest at Even Furthur?  
Winner
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Geesh, you must wanna get with Gotti pretty bad to 
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<< Actually, there was a recents study done on the park sytems in the 25 
largest 
 cities in america... Cincy made the list... columbus didn't >>

Bahahahaha, Cinci's got bigger parks...woopty doo!!

Um, I read in some porn zine that Columbus has bigger 
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From mw-raves-return-5619-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 11 23:23:08 2000
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Not that they have bigger parks...   you apparently missed the note that it 
was America's 25 largest cities...   not the parks...

Bigger boobed women?...  Guess Hustler needs to relocate....

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should we continue to try to block stevie?  it's obviously not keeping him
from posting.  

here are our options.

1.we keep on unsubbing him when he posts. he will then resub and resume
posting under a different address.

2.we close the list and approve all subscriptions by hand... but this cold
be hard because ALL aol addresses will be suspect, and if at some point
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matt, adam, and i.

3.we accept stevie as part of mw-raves' disfunctional family for as long
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i think these would work best, but i'm of course open to suggestions.

me love you long time, mw

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From mw-raves-return-5621-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 11 23:45:56 2000
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YAY!  3!  3!!!  3!!!!!

-t

ps - the stevie t faq is turning out nicely, i'm hoping ot have something
y'all can look at early next week... right now, its more gonzo than fact.
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should we continue to try to block stevie?  it's obviously not keeping him
from posting.  

here are our options.

1.we keep on unsubbing him when he posts. he will then resub and resume
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be hard because ALL aol addresses will be suspect, and if at some point
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matt, adam, and i.

3.we accept stevie as part of mw-raves' disfunctional family for as long
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>3.we accept stevie as part of mw-raves' disfunctional family for as long
>as he wants to stay and each subscriber deals with him on a personal
>level.  we put tony's stevie faq into practice, and people who make a
>habit of responding to him with inflammatory posts will be unsubbed.
>


Yay for the Stevie T faq.  And option 3.




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Subject: [mw] Tonight 8/11 in Detroit...

...well actually Hamtramck, but whatever.

An evening with Matt Clark. At Corrections.

Which takes place at... Cloud 9. 8534 Conant. Hamtown.

>From 10 p.m. to 3 a.m.

No cover.

Free beer. (Just kidding).

Cheap beer. (that's more like it) And cheap mixed drinks, too.

Directions: take I-75 to Caniff. East on Caniff, past the Motor Lounge to 
Conant. Right (south) on Conant about one mile. Cloud 9 is on left. Look for 
a strobe light in the window.
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Subject: [mw] nrr - need pics

of midgets... preferrably with some sort of overalls on.
mayb3 holding a shotgun or a bat.  but any midget pictures could be
useful.

jon and i are making haunchyville, wi t-shirts.

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chad@konfused.net writes:

<< 3.we accept stevie as part of mw-raves' disfunctional family for as long
 as he wants to stay and each subscriber deals with him on a personal
 level.  we put tony's stevie faq into practice, and people who make a
 habit of responding to him with inflammatory posts will be unsubbed. >>

indian curse finally got to ya, huh?

can't keep a good man down!!

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In a message dated 8/11/00 6:43:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Holyspirit069@aol.com writes:


<< Uh oh, she's on to you Shawn, better go hide those
crack pipes now!!

 >>

she who?? Micah is a he, and he was talking about himself smoking crack 
onetime

put the pipe down stevie
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Ridley writes:

<< I suggest reading
  ELECTRIC ACID KOOL-AID TEST
  i think by Ken Kesey
  it talks about his volinteer work with LSD experiements the FURTHUR
  bus and the Acid Test parties were the greatful dead used to play.
  full of fun trippy storied, drug exploration, hells angels on LSD
  and more.  Much less paranoid truthful reading in my eyes.
  I think the original Furthur bus is still out west rusting in its
  resting place cause Ken refused to sell it to the smithsonian.
  -Ridley >>

 I've read all that as well as the works of Hunter S. Thompson
 of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas fame!

 Let the record show that although Kurt has been known to
 use acid in the past and was inspired by the Further Bus, the 
 Drop Bass Network was created to promote hardcore techno
 music (thus Drop Bass Records) and definitly *NOT* LSD!!!...
 In fact, i should fwd his long rant on mw-raves concerning all 
 the legal hassles he had to put up with because of this awful 
 stereotype!!
 
 I suggest you pick up the July issue of Gear magazine that
 has the interview of Sonny Barger, head of the Hells Angels,
 it tells how the Feds tried to peg him as the King Pin Gangsta 
 Drug Dealer in San Francisco in 1972...the investigation
 eventually turned out that it was not him, but a super shadey
 individual by the name of Mike Rounder...Although the Hells
 Angel has admitted to drug use and some trafficking, they
 really didn't get started until Barger had been incarcerated
 for marijuana possesion and learned the tricks of the trade
 in jail and when he got out of jail, of course nobody would hire
 him, so he was basically forced into being a thug...But where
 did Barger orginally learn his fighting skills?...When he joined
 the US Army at the age of 16!...He and his gang was notorious
for wanting to fight in Vietnam, but of course the Army wouldn't
allow him due to his dishonorable discharge for enlisting at too
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thee deliverer writes:

<< Let the record show that although Kurt has been known to
  use acid in the past and was inspired by the Further Bus, the 
  Drop Bass Network was created to promote hardcore techno
  music (thus Drop Bass Records) and definitly *NOT* LSD!!!...
  In fact, i should fwd his long rant on mw-raves concerning all 
  the legal hassles he had to put up with because of this awful 
  stereotype!! >>

hyeah, i'll bet kurt loves it when he's going thru all this legal
shit of just trying to get a space for Further despite all the
drug allegations and all these idiots on MW-Raves make all
these posts about how all musicians are really drug fiends,
buncha crack head morons on the list now!!

i bet if kurt knew where each of these buffoons lived, he'd 
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Hey all...if you are not 2 cracked out on Sunday night
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>indian curse finally got to ya, huh?
>
>can't keep a good man down!!

see, it's my theory that if we tell stevie he "won" *wink* *nudge* and buy him a puppy, he'll be satisfied and go back to other, more personal and private daily habits.

again, it's just a theory, but one we haven't tried yet.
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Subject: [mw] TONIGHT Part 2 - Evansville, IN 

In the wake of Part 1, we now beef things up with the second installment.

August 12, 2000
downtown Evansville, IN

UFO! 
Phunkateck - San Francisco

One of North America's premiere jungle producers is takin' a break from spittin' out records on labels worldwide like Thermal, Pneuma, Higher Education, and Position Chrome to drop it on us hard and fierce for the night. Enjoy this rare close encounter.

Mateo & No Battles with vocalist Gina Rene of Soulstice
San Francisco - San Diego 

Om Records, PBS, Rhythm Addict 
After recently representing Tribal gear in San Diego, we are bringing them from their respective areas to be together once again. A body-rockin' four-turntable journey through broken beats and heart-pounding vocals.

Matt Bandy
Alien Squad - SUBterror - Lexington, KY

One of the smoothest dj's on earth, brings all the grace of an Olympic figure-skater via sweet house and techno on the 1's, 2's, AND 3's.

Dj Shiva 
The Goddess Complex, SUBterror - Indianapolis

The goddess of TECHNO comes back raw and rugged. 
Three turntables of kick-you-in-your-face-beats and an attitude to boot.
Hurt us.......

Hypothetikal
Nokturnal Funk Tribe - Murfreesboro, TN 

He's been beatin' up the DMC competitions down south. Head rockin' battle skills + insane live beats take hip hop into a new dimension.

The Benman
Better Days - Louisville, KY

The man that makes it impossible to sit down. House beats and his own uplifting vocals gettin' to your soul. 
"You come to party....."

Tim Krochalk
FUNKenterprises - Indianapolis

A true technical veteran, Tim consistently hypnotizes dancefloors with tribal house and breaks, but don't leave him alone in an open field.

Obeah 
Rhythm Addict, Lil' Moe Stank - Bitchburg

Not only one of the slickest jungle juicies, but he can also balance a beer on his ass at the same time.
Bring on the dark funk.

Dj Dirty Tony
BRSTL, Rhythm Addict

Evansville's own techno prankster will be jackin' your brain into oblivion. 

J-Light 
Supatight - Bowling Green, KY

Liquefying your mind with progressive trance the way it should be.

Base
BRSTL - Evansville

You know how he does it. Bring the house down once again.

Betel
Supatight - Bowling Green, KY

The house of the south. More classics than Quaker's got oats + a ton of fresh newbies. 

cAc 
Confront a Cow

Techno with a touch of electro and the truth about the cows. Ask and you shall receive.

Trevor Lamont
Aliensquad, Teamsters, Soul Brothaz - Lexington, KY

We had so much fun with Trevor at Part 1, that we are having this man oozing with house music back to rock the Part 2 floor. If you have ears, you'll love this. 

N8 
Silver Promotions - Memphis, TN

Neight is making a trip up from Memphis for the evening to spoon feed us a hefty dose of breathtaking trance. The flavor of the south is sure to make you tremble in awe.

Mad ATR 
Lexington, KY

Lexington's drum and bass guru is coming back to guide through an eclectic set of tight mixes, bad ass beats, and heady melodies.

Emcee hosting and microphone checking by "G" aka Hobgoblin

Known for live loco vocals and makin' others u-fraid to emcee. Pipskweek Numero Uno to name the mic.



Lights will feature an extended arsenal of Martin intelligent light rigs throughout the venue by Tommy K of DC Productions in Louisville. If you were at Part 1 you know how he does it.

Stacks and stacks of long throw sound systems of JBL, HDH, and Crown, by Crossfire and Supatight.

Visuals by Static Transfusion. Nate FX and crew will be bringing their screens, projectors, and animation to feed your eyes more candy than they should be allowed.

Laser by Introspective. The crew from Cleveland, OH will be digitizing our brains with laser fantasy. Something's happening.....

Multilevel air-conditioned venue. We will also be using space outside the building, for extended space and comfort as well as another room of sound and visuals.

Tapes and goodies by Untranslatable.

Giveaways and CD releases by Rhythm Addict and a bunch of other cats. We'll let you know.

Fruit and juice bar by Technical Tonics.

Thanks for all your continued support, allowing Rhythm Addict to expand our endeavors and import so much talent to this area for the first time, for keeping the upward growth of Evansville's and the Earth's progressive underground. Thanks also to everyone who has helped us, for enabling us stick to our commitment of bringing you the finest entertainment while still keeping the cost down.

Be prepared for a full-on extrasensory experience. Rhythm Addict will be continuing our cooperation with the AIDS Resource Group, and as part of the $15 admission we ask that everyone bring at least one nonperishable food item. The door price will be an additional $3 without a food item to go to funding of grocery certificates.

Doors open promptly at 9:30 p.m.

As in the past Rhythm Addict will continue to make additions to this event straight up until the day of, including additional light and visuals. For all updates, including exact location, keep in touch with...

Rhythm Addict
812.474.4891
http://www.rhythmaddict.com

Rock the planet! 


Don't forget to drink your Ovaltine. 

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||Actually, there was a recents study done on the park sytems in the 25 largest 
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Subject: [mw] my opinion.

i find mw raves to be strangely occult.

just my opinion.

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In a message dated 8/12/00 3:16:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
chad@hyperreal.org writes:


<< i find mw raves to be strangely occult.

 >>

I find mw raves to be strangely a cult

making the funny kool-aid
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Subject: [mw] random stuff...

i'm pretty much wondering why we have to be so criticle of things.

i mean, i'll be the first to admit that i'm not easily turned on to things
that aren't exactly comfortable, or that are downright ugly, but why so
criticle if it's harmless?  why allow ourselves to get distracted by the
bad?  why isn't it enough  to acknowledge something needs changing and
save the adrenaline for the real work?

it's when real people are getting hurt that the information
vs. disinformation game gets ugly.

i like how so many of you people are able to _somewhat_ balance "work" and
"pleasure"... even with all the silliness on this list, i find a lot of
good info does come through this list when it's needed, as tony so
thoughtfully pointed out.  and the influences people share i'm sure could
take you anywhere.

contrary to what i was screamin' a matter of weeks ago, i really feel
like this list is worthwhile and i'm glad some very special people
convinced me to stay here. 

i wasn't having fun for awhile, but things look way up.

i'd like to apologize to everyone for the way i handled things
recently... it was all such a whirlwind it's hard to remember what the
stress was all about.  but my emotions were real, so something must have
happened.  if you didn't notice, then there's something wrong with ya.
:P  not really.

i think i made ok decisions, i just was pretty terse with a lot of
people...  i never really mean to be.

anyways... thanks, one more time, for helping me to better see the way
things are. :)  except for stevie... it'll take more than that for him to
get full props from me :)

love,
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replying to myself, too...

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, chad m spoonhaus wrote:

> i mean, i'll be the first to admit that i'm not easily turned on to things
> that aren't exactly comfortable, or that are downright ugly, but why so
> criticle if it's harmless?  why allow ourselves to get distracted by the
> bad?  why isn't it enough  to acknowledge something needs changing and
> save the adrenaline for the real work?

of course, if your "real" work is being criticle, by all means go to it.

you just better do a good job! :)

love,
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On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, chad m spoonhaus wrote:

-->1.we keep on unsubbing him when he posts. he will then resub and resume
-->posting under a different address.

this doesn't work... obviously.

-->2.we close the list and approve all subscriptions by hand... but this cold
-->be hard because ALL aol addresses will be suspect, and if at some point
-->there's many people subcribing at once, it can be a pain in the ass for
-->matt, adam, and i.

you guys are into whips and chains and stuff... aren't you?

-->3.we accept stevie as part of mw-raves' disfunctional family for as long
-->as he wants to stay and each subscriber deals with him on a personal
-->level.  

I don't think we have much choice in the matter.  But consider this.
If you stop unsubbing Stevie's accounts, perhaps he'll go back to
StevieT069 or Elijah451 or whateverthefuck he started with.... one
stevie... one email address... ONE entry in everybody's kill file.
Simple.  Solves all the problems inherent in filtering him <when
combined with the schizophrenia>.

-->people who make a habit of responding to him with inflammatory
-->posts will be unsubbed.

I don't know if I agree with this.  If everyone makes sure they CC
stevie when replying, then we can all filter that mail as well.  
Those that get a kick out of responding to his blathering, can.  
Those that don't, don't.

at least, that's my story.  and i'm stickin' to it.

one love,
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good points.  and believe it or not, i don't really like unsubbing
people... i'm not even sure why i suggested it.

maybe i was just in the habbit.

chad

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000, Griggles wrote:

> I don't think we have much choice in the matter.  But consider this.
> If you stop unsubbing Stevie's accounts, perhaps he'll go back to
> StevieT069 or Elijah451 or whateverthefuck he started with.... one
> stevie... one email address... ONE entry in everybody's kill file.
> Simple.  Solves all the problems inherent in filtering him <when
> combined with the schizophrenia>.
> 
> -->people who make a habit of responding to him with inflammatory
> -->posts will be unsubbed.
> 
> I don't know if I agree with this.  If everyone makes sure they CC
> stevie when replying, then we can all filter that mail as well.  
> Those that get a kick out of responding to his blathering, can.  
> Those that don't, don't.
> 
> at least, that's my story.  and i'm stickin' to it.
> 
> one love,
> greg
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>
>I find mw raves to be strangely a cult
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More addicting than nicotine...



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In a message dated 8/11/00 6:55:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
hughblaze@hotmail.com writes:

<< Directions: take I-75 to Caniff. East on Caniff, past the Motor Lounge to 
 Conant. Right (south) on Conant about one mile. Cloud 9 is on left. Look for 
 a strobe light in the window. >>



past Motor???????????    fuckola... you shouldnt have passed Motor.. you 
should have stopped!!!!!!!!!!
Derek Plaslaiko played... and ............ andddddddddddddddddddd
Marco Carola played @ Motor lastnight.. and may I say... YUmMmMMAY!
He is damn good.  I am always impressed when an amazing producer can mix just 
as well.
:)

Lor

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amy@pimpdaddywelfare.com writes:

<< see, it's my theory that if we tell stevie he "won" *wink* 
*nudge* and buy him a puppy, he'll be satisfied and go back 
to other, more personal and private daily habits.
 
 again, it's just a theory, but one we haven't tried yet.
 pix >>

At first i thought about using my divine gift to curse people
and making your rock*star boobies explode pixie, thereby
rendering your influence on people useless

But then i recalled the good book saying that i must love my
enemies...So the next time your in town i guess i'll hafta get
a hotel room for you and make you say "ohhh God, ohhh God"!

I can't believe i have to love the whore of Babylon too!


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chad@konfused.net writes:

<< i'd like to apologize to everyone for the way i handled things
 recently... it was all such a whirlwind it's hard to remember what the
 stress was all about.  but my emotions were real, so something must have
 happened.  if you didn't notice, then there's something wrong with ya.
 :P  not really.>>

That was the indian curse, you goober!!

<<anyways... thanks, one more time, for helping me to better see the way
 things are. :)  except for stevie... it'll take more than that for him to
 get full props from me :) >>

pfft, i don't need props from the head crack head on mw,
when i'm getting em from the true heads who are actually
involved with the scene!!

like it really took a rocket scientist to figure out, when i was
the only one fwding the substantial rave & underground
news information!...but then again this is mw-crack heads!!
...how dare you actually post intelligent information and not
talk about drugs or hairy asses like the rest of us?!

true heads who are trying so hard just to get a space for
their party despite all the drug allegations and you've got
crack heads on mw going "urr yah, mozart wuz on crack
when he composed that symphony, my gran pappy the
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gdamiani@umich.edu writes:

<< I don't know if I agree with this.  If everyone makes sure they CC
 stevie when replying, then we can all filter that mail as well.  
 Those that get a kick out of responding to his blathering, can.  
 Those that don't, don't.
 
 at least, that's my story.  and i'm stickin' to it.
 
 one love,
 greg >>

uh oh, looks like your position of head crack head on mw
is recieving some competition chad!

this dumb ass is so far behind & out of it, its not even
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chad@konfused.net writes:

<< maybe i was just in the habbit.
 
 chad >>

LoL, you said habit!

with two "b's" none the less!

you CRACK me up chad!!

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Subject: [mw] DIRECTIONS to REBIRTH OF THE FLESH -- Tonight!

Tonight IS the night!

R E B I R T H
of 
the
F L E S H 

The Pajama Jama Jam pt2

But, a few words before we dish out the
VERY easy directions to this event!

* Let's, above all else, have fun tonight.
Let's show everyone that we can party hard
yet party responsibly.  Tonight is a night 
to hear artists that don't normally make 
their way to Indianapolis very often.  Let's
take advantage of the situation and be on
our best of behavior.

*  Let's respect the space, the space owner,
and the space employees.  Remember, it's hard
to convince a venue owner to let 1000+ kids
trash their venue for a night.  So, let's do 
the scene a favour and NOT trash the venue.

*  Due to the rise in irresponsibility, we
are not allowing backpacks in the building,
however, we will be having a moderate pass-
out system, so you will be allowed to go to 
your car if need be.  However, you will be 
searched thouroughly upon each re-entry.

Doors open at 11pm 
Here is the revised schedule of performance:

11-12 Korova
12-1  Mike D
1-2   Submerge 101
2-4   Headroom
4-5.5 Angel Alanis
5.5-6.25 K-Step
6.25-7   Chocolate

Our numbers are:

317 767 4994
317 592 9236
317 713 7123


>From all points North, East, South, and West:

Columbus, Dayton, Springfield OH

I-70 West
into indianapolis
Post Rd Exit 
turn Left (heading South)
go to 21st Street
turn Right (heading West)
immediately on the right
The Rollercave


Cleveland, OH

I-71 South
I-70 West
into indianapolis
Post Rd Exit 
turn Left (heading South)
go to 21st Street
turn Right (heading West)
immediately on the right
The Rollercave


Cincy

I-74 West
465 North/East
I-70 East
Post Rd Exit
Turn Right (heading south)
go to 21st 
Turn Right (heading west)
Immediately on the right
The Rollercave


Chicago

I-65 South
Into Downtown Indpls
I-70 East
Post Rd Exit
Turn Right (heading south)
go to 21st 
Turn Right (heading west)
Immediately on the right
The Rollercave


Muncie, Anderson, Ft Wayne

I-69 South
465 South
I-70 East
Post Rd Exit
Turn Right (heading south)
go to 21st 
Turn Right (heading west)
Immediately on the right
The Rollercave


Detroit

I-94 West
I-69 South
465 South
I-70 East
Post Rd Exit
Turn Right (heading south)
go to 21st 
Turn Right (heading west)
Immediately on the right
The Rollercave


St Louis

I-70 East 
Past Downtown Indpls
Post Rd Exit
Turn Right (heading south)
go to 21st 
Turn Right (heading west)
Immediately on the right
The Rollercave


Lousiville

I-65 North
To downtown Indpls
I-70 East
Post Rd Exit
Turn Right (heading south)
go to 21st 
Turn Right (heading west)
Immediately on the right
The Rollercave


Bloomington, Indiana

SR 37 North
465 North/East
I-70 East
Post Rd Exit
Turn Right (heading south)
go to 21st 
Turn Right (heading west)
Immediately on the right
The Rollercave

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Subject: Re: [mw] Tonight 8/11 in Detroit...

I can hear Derek play any time I want, I just have to go down to our 
basement. And there's no gweedos and glo stick freaks down there (usually). 
As for Mr. Carola... Well, maybe next time.


>past Motor???????????    fuckola... you shouldnt have passed Motor.. you
>should have stopped!!!!!!!!!!
>Derek Plaslaiko played... and ............ andddddddddddddddddddd
>Marco Carola played @ Motor lastnight.. and may I say... YUmMmMMAY!
>He is damn good.  I am always impressed when an amazing producer can mix 
>just
>as well.
>:)
>
>Lor

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Subject: Re: [mw] blocking soviet?

I think we should get him a cat. It'll probably be the first time he's ever 
got a little pussy.


>
>see, it's my theory that if we tell stevie he "won" *wink* *nudge* and buy 
>him a puppy, he'll be satisfied and go back to other, more personal and 
>private daily habits.
>
>again, it's just a theory, but one we haven't tried yet.
>pix

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Subject: Re: [mw] DIRECTIONS to REBIRTH OF THE FLESH -- Tonight!

I LOVE parties in roller rinks in the suburbs in Indiana. I'm there!

>
>I-70 West
>into indianapolis
>Post Rd Exit
>turn Left (heading South)
>go to 21st Street
>turn Right (heading West)
>immediately on the right
>The Rollercave
>
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Hey all!
Just got home from the first night of What?!?... Anyone who's not there =
should go... Lots of good DJ's. Tonite I'm not sure of the lineup, but I =
know DJ Storm and DJ Tsar are supposed to be up at somepoint tonite... =
Directions are pretty easy...

Get to Iowa City how ever you normally would... Main way is I-80..

Take HWY 1 South from Iowa City. Follow HWY 1 all the way to Fairfield. =
For those daring soles wanting to cut an extra five minutes, you can =
take your first left outside of the town of Brighton on Pleasant Plain =
Road. This road ends in Fairfield as well.

Continue on HWY 1 in Fairfield South toward Birmingham. It is the first =
small town you hit after leaving Fairfield.

After Birmingham:

Turn RIGHT onto hwy 16 west, and go 6 miles.  You=20
will see a gravel road, this is GRAY AVE.  GO RIGHT.  Follow the gravel =
road=20
through the turns about 1.2 miles and on your RIGHT side you will see =
the=20
entrance.

Everyone should get out and support this crew, who even through all the =
problems they have gone through, are still throwing a good event... The =
space was nice and open and there was a meteor shower and northern =
lights last night... (No not that, the Aurora Borealis) Crazy to see the =
northern lites in Iowa... Last time I saw em I was in Canada...=20

Random cracked out raver adventure...
Bout 8 this morning as I'm driving through Fairfield, I stop for gas... =
DJ Booth's CD is playing (he tossed it to me after his set... THANX!) =
and this track comes on while I'm getting gas... "I'm Horny all night =
long!" repeated, now the stereo was up pretty high and like all small =
town gas stations on a saturday morning, this station was packed w/ =
hicks and hoosiers. So I get a few looks b4 I get it turned down... Then =
I go into the store to pay and shit, and find this stuff called X-Vials =
Alien Powder... it's sour candy in a little plastik test tube... I =
haven't eaten it yet, but scans of the lable are forthcoming... As a =
special added bonus, it says "JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS" on your X-Vial =
label... :)

Peace ya'll and hope to see ya tonite at What?!?...
John

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey all!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Just got home from the first night of =
What?!?...=20
Anyone who's not there should go... Lots of good DJ's. Tonite I'm not =
sure of=20
the lineup, but I know DJ Storm and DJ Tsar are supposed to be up at =
somepoint=20
tonite... Directions are pretty easy...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Get to Iowa City how ever you normally =
would...=20
Main way is I-80..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Take HWY 1 South from Iowa City. Follow =
HWY 1 all=20
the way to Fairfield. For those daring soles wanting to cut an extra =
five=20
minutes, you can take your first left outside of the town of Brighton on =

Pleasant Plain Road. This road ends in Fairfield as =
well.<BR><BR>Continue on HWY=20
1 in Fairfield South toward Birmingham. It is the first small town you =
hit after=20
leaving Fairfield.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>After Birmingham:<BR><BR>Turn RIGHT =
onto hwy 16=20
west, and go 6 miles.&nbsp; You <BR>will see a gravel road, this is GRAY =

AVE.&nbsp; GO RIGHT.&nbsp; Follow the gravel road <BR>through the turns =
about=20
1.2 miles and on your RIGHT side you will see the =
<BR>entrance.<BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Everyone should get out and support =
this crew, who=20
even through all the problems they&nbsp;have gone through, are still =
throwing=20
a&nbsp;good event... The space was nice and open and there was a meteor =
shower=20
and northern lights last night... (No not that, the Aurora Borealis) =
Crazy to=20
see the northern lites in Iowa... Last time I saw em I was in Canada...=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Random cracked out raver =
adventure...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bout 8 this morning as I'm driving =
through=20
Fairfield, I stop for gas... DJ Booth's CD is playing (he tossed it to =
me after=20
his set... THANX!) and this track comes on while I'm getting gas... "I'm =
Horny=20
all night long!" repeated, now the stereo was up pretty high and like =
all small=20
town gas stations on a saturday morning, this station was packed w/ =
hicks and=20
hoosiers. So I get a few looks b4 I get it turned down... Then I go into =
the=20
store to pay and shit, and find this stuff called X-Vials Alien =
Powder... it's=20
sour candy in a little plastik test tube... I haven't eaten it yet, but =
scans of=20
the lable are forthcoming... As a special added bonus, it says "JUST SAY =
NO TO=20
DRUGS" on your X-Vial label... :)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Peace&nbsp;ya'll and hope to see ya =
tonite at=20
What?!?...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>John</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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Subject: [mw] LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE 9/30

Liquid Groove presents...

LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE

Saturday September 30th 2000
Atlanta GA


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Main Room


JOHN DIGWEED
(bedrock, twilo, UK)


JOSH WINK
(Ovum records, 611, philly)


UBERZONE
(city of angels, LA)


DOC MARTIN
(wax, tight, LA)


KAZELL
(liquidgroove, global grooves, LA)


J-LUV
(rewind, outerlimits, atl)


~~~~~~~~~~Drum and Bass Room


ANDY C.
(ram records, UK)


ED RUSH
(virus recordings, UK)


ZINC
(true playazs, frontline, UK)


DARA
(breakbeat science, NYC)


E-SASSIN
(Phunkateck, Sound Sphere, LA)


MACHETTE
(Junglist Platoon, LA)


BOBBLE
(rewind, atlanta)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Room 3:


CLAY IVEY
(f-111, cafeinne, atlanta)


DJ ORACLE
(databank/clubhead records, cincinnati)


MICO
(neshan, luvlock, SC)


HOT WAX HARLEY
(radiance, NC)


RICK SIERRA
(rc project, satellite, atlanta)


THE TECHNICIAN
(Hoodlums USA, Low Down Underground, atlanta)


JOLBY
(faith records, TN)


DJ SARDUAKAR
(pure, atlanta)



PRODUCTION:

We will be using an entirely diffrent set up this time at the trade center
as far as room layout and design. We will have 3 rooms of Turbosound. Each
of the Three Rooms will have their own theme and set design.

Lasers: PAWN lasers with a Multiple Laser set up

Visuals: An amazing visual show in each room tba

Sound: Even More TURBOSOUND then the last LU

Lights: An impressive array of intelligent lighting by Active Lighting
Atlanta

Decorations by Liquid Groove

Location:
THE NORTH ATLANTA TRADE CENTER
North Atlantas premier exhibit facility and one of the
largest expo centers in the southeast. Offering
120,000 sq feet of dance space all indoors, in
climate control comfort and split up into 3 massive rooms.
Handicap accesibility, public telephones,
clean restrooms, and more then 5000 hotels within a
7 mile radius of the North Atlanta Trade Center.
Check out www.liquified.com for hotel listings.


INFORMATION:

18 and over welcome with ID
Doors Open at 10:00 pm
Multiple Entry Lines to ensure quick and safe entry into the event
3 Rooms of TURBOSOUND

TICKETS:
Tickets go on sale August 16th
$25 until September 9th
$30 after

TICKET OUTLETS:
BEWARE OF FORGERIES
Buy tickets only from these stores
($1 surcharge at some locations)
Wish L5P 404-880-0402
Wish Gwinnett 770-814-0940
Rewind 404-827-9463
Satellite 404-880-9746
Candy (Athens, GA) 706-549-0191
Spins: (Greensboro, NC) - 336-274-8530
Faith Records: (Nashville, TN) - 615-726-3700
Bad Seed: (Birmingham, AL) - 205-933-7333
Big Apple Music: (Columbia, SC) - 803-798-7790
World Conspiracy: (Huntsville, AL) - 256-534-3198
Knee Deep: (Charlotte, NC) - 704-335-0442
Manifest: (greenville, SC) - 864-232-1623
Smoke: (Gainsville, FL) - 352-379-7670
Vinyl Frontier: (Orlando, FL) - 407-872-1844
Lost City : (Chapel Hill, NC) 919-933-5678
Spun Sugar: (Savannah, GA) -

Or you can purchase tickets online by going to www.liquified.com and
following the link for online ticket sales.

Mail order ticket requests must be recieved by September 22nd. For info call
404-257-2515 or e-mail liquidgroove@mindspring.com

If you are interested in organizing a bus trip or if you want to find out if
a bus trip is being planned in a city near you log onto www.liquified.com

Anyone interested in Vending you can e-mail us at
liquified@mindspring.com for information (vendors must be licensed)


NO SITTING ON THE DANCEFLOOR! You will be asked to move. Everyone can help
with this one, if you see someone sitting on the dancefloor ask them
politely if they can move to the outside of the dance area.

DIRECTIONS:
FROM THE SOUTH: Take I-75/85 north into downtown atlanta. I-75/85 merge in
downtown atlanta. Stay towards the left lane. when I-75 and I-85 split take
I-85 north towards greenville. Go up I-85 and get off at the Indian Trail
exit (the exit numbers are changing so the exit number will be either 38 or
101). At your first light (indian trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and
make a right. Go 1/2 mile to Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right
in front of you.


FROM THE NORTH EAST: Take I-85 south toward atlanta. Get off at Indian Trail
exit (exit numbers are changing so the exit number will be either 38 or 101)
At the first light you come to go left onto indian trail. Cross over hwy and
go to Oakbrook pkwy and turn right. Go 1/2 mile to jeurgens court and turn
right. Venue is straight in front of you.


FROM THE EAST: Take I-20 west towards atlanta. Before you get to atlanta you
will get onto I-285 north. Take I-285 north till you get to the exit for
I-85 north. Go I-85 north to Indian Trail exit. (exit numbers are changing
so the exit number will be either 38 or 101) At your first light (indian
trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and make a right. Go 1/2 mile to
Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right in front of you.


FROM THE WEST: Take I-20 east into downtown atlanta. Get onto I-75/85 north
and then follow the directions from the south.


FROM THE MIDWEST AREA: Get to I-75 south. Go I-75 south towards atlanta.
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I take back all the stuff I said.  Let's just go to Stevie's house
and throw his computer out a window.

On Sat, 12 Aug 2000 Holyspirit069@aol.com wrote:

-->gdamiani@umich.edu writes:
-->
--><< I don't know if I agree with this.  If everyone makes sure they CC
--> stevie when replying, then we can all filter that mail as well.  
--> Those that get a kick out of responding to his blathering, can.  
--> Those that don't, don't.
--> 
--> at least, that's my story.  and i'm stickin' to it.
--> 
--> one love,
--> greg >>
-->
-->uh oh, looks like your position of head crack head on mw
-->is recieving some competition chad!
-->
-->this dumb ass is so far behind & out of it, its not even
-->worth replying to!
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Subject: Re: [mw] blocking soviet?

ya know, steviet's posts aren't nearly as annoying as the 50 other list 
members who feel the need to respond to his stuff with equally childish 
nonsense.

if ya don't like what he has to say, block him and don't reply to him.

drama queens...



>From: Griggles <gdamiani@umich.edu>
>To: keep it to yourself next time <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: [mw] blocking soviet?
>Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 05:30:15 -0400 (EDT)
>
>On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, chad m spoonhaus wrote:
>
>-->1.we keep on unsubbing him when he posts. he will then resub and resume
>-->posting under a different address.
>
>this doesn't work... obviously.
>
>-->2.we close the list and approve all subscriptions by hand... but this 
>cold
>-->be hard because ALL aol addresses will be suspect, and if at some point
>-->there's many people subcribing at once, it can be a pain in the ass for
>-->matt, adam, and i.
>
>you guys are into whips and chains and stuff... aren't you?
>
>-->3.we accept stevie as part of mw-raves' disfunctional family for as long
>-->as he wants to stay and each subscriber deals with him on a personal
>-->level.
>
>I don't think we have much choice in the matter.  But consider this.
>If you stop unsubbing Stevie's accounts, perhaps he'll go back to
>StevieT069 or Elijah451 or whateverthefuck he started with.... one
>stevie... one email address... ONE entry in everybody's kill file.
>Simple.  Solves all the problems inherent in filtering him <when
>combined with the schizophrenia>.
>
>-->people who make a habit of responding to him with inflammatory
>-->posts will be unsubbed.
>
>I don't know if I agree with this.  If everyone makes sure they CC
>stevie when replying, then we can all filter that mail as well.
>Those that get a kick out of responding to his blathering, can.
>Those that don't, don't.
>
>at least, that's my story.  and i'm stickin' to it.
>
>one love,
>greg
>
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 I think to lift the curse we'll probably have to sacrifice StevieT over a fire pit. Anyone have a problem with that?

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hey all,

I just started producing my own tracks, please check out my stuff at:

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There is one jungle track & a couple crazy-psycho ambient tracks so
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Umm....its Saturday...

shawne

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>At first i thought about using my divine gift to curse people
>and making your rock*star boobies explode pixie, thereby
>rendering your influence on people useless

A) it worked, they're bigger and better than ever...so damn rock*star i can't keep 'em contained half the time, they always wanna party...last week they threw a tv out of the hotel room window all by themselves...i had nothing to do with it, i SWEAR!
THANK YOU EASTER STEVIE!

2) as far as influence over people: hey, i only own the boobs, i don't control what they whisper to people at night, okay?

>But then i recalled the good book saying that i must love my
>enemies...So the next time your in town i guess i'll hafta and >make you say "ohhh God, ohhh God"!

why, are you really that ugly? 

>I can't believe i have to love the whore of Babylon too!

don't knock it 'til you tried it, honey...well, you'd never have a chance, but hey...

just promise me you won't torture the puppy okay? and no midnight love sessions either.

toodle!
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>I think we should get him a cat. It'll probably be the first time he's ever 
>got a little pussy.

*snicker* yeah i see your point, but then we'd never hear the end of it, and somehow the cat would always end up being referred to as his "mad likwid stylee rave girl"

ick
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amy@pimpdaddywelfare.com writes:

<< why, are you really that ugly? >>

well, lesse i've dated 2 strippers, 2 models, and one riotgrrl, i've had
2 porn site roommates, i've even done some runway modeling myself
...and every girl i ever dated, they hit on me...so no, i'm not ugly.

<< just promise me you won't torture the puppy okay? and no midnight 
love sessions either. >>

i don't like dogs!...i like fish...i'm a pisces!...plus my beta just died!
...i think "they" killed my fish!

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><< why, are you really that ugly? >>
>
>well, lesse i've dated 2 strippers, 2 models, and one riotgrrl, i've had
>2 porn site roommates, i've even done some runway modeling myself
>...and every girl i ever dated, they hit on me...so no, i'm not ugly.

no need to get defensive. last time i checked that was the first sign of a problem...at any rate, i've heard some vastly different accounts of your "conquests" from a few more reliable resources. in any case, it really doesn't matter.

>i don't like dogs!...i like fish...i'm a pisces!...plus my beta just died!
>...i think "they" killed my fish!

every day, i believe more and more that stevie is really just having it on with us...anyone else get this feeling?

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amy@pimpdaddywelfare.com writes:

<< no need to get defensive. last time i checked that was the first sign of a 
problem...at any rate, i've heard some vastly different accounts of your 
"conquests" from a few more reliable resources. in any case, it really 
doesn't matter.>>

bahahaha, your imaginary friends don't count pixie!!..altho, 
i do find it cute when you talk to your boobs!!...lol, i guess
you gotta talk to somethin when nobody's there...but, i guess
it don't help when everyone knows your an accountant, and
seein how most promotors and folks involved in the scene don't
pay taxes, they know to avoid you like the plague!!...

as for my "conquests", well here's my latest...

 Elijah451:  k, i'm back 
 Sandi381:   zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 
 Elijah451:  u send it? 
 Sandi381:   i can't 
 Sandi381:   it won't let me 
 Elijah451:  well, if yur bored, why don't u come over! 
 Sandi381:   to where 
 Elijah451:  rather see the real "you" anyways! 
 Elijah451:  to my place 
 Sandi381:   :o) 
 Sandi381:   which is where 
 Elijah451:  i still got 4 mooseheads left 
 Elijah451:  northpointe apts 
 Elijah451:  my place aint much, but it gets the job done 
 Sandi381:   i know where that is 
 Elijah451:  lol, u do 
 Sandi381:   yep 
 Sandi381:   wait let me get a pen 
 Elijah451:  lol 
 Sandi381:   what's so funny 
 Elijah451:  nuffin 
 Sandi381:   silly 
 Elijah451:  u sound like fun 
 Sandi381:   i am 
 Elijah451:  i think i like u already! 
 Sandi381:   just need someone to have fun with 
 Sandi381:   :o) 
 Elijah451:  sounds good to me! 
 Sandi381:   and not just the bed 
 Elijah451:  of course not 
 Elijah451:  but bed could def be part of it 
 Sandi381:   hmmmmmmmmm 
 Elijah451:  i def got no qualms w/ dat! 
 Sandi381:   lol 
 Elijah451:  wow, u work as fast as i do! 
 Elijah451:  but then again u r more experienced 
 Sandi381:   you know it 
 Elijah451:  plus u've seen my pic 
 Sandi381:   but there is some things you can teach me, i'm sure 
 Elijah451:  r u really comin over? 
 Sandi381:   i'll let you know in a sec 
 Elijah451:  i've got movies here 
 Elijah451:  and 4 mooseheads left 
 Sandi381:   oh yea 
 Sandi381:   i'll bring my own bottle 
 Sandi381:   if i come 
 Elijah451:  niiiiice!! 
 Sandi381:   drink brandy, and you can have some 
 Elijah451:  where have u been all my life!! 
 Sandi381:   over here 
 Sandi381:   and you are over there 
 Elijah451:  what do u look like again? 
 Sandi381:   dag 
 Elijah451:  dats my word!! 
 Sandi381:   one more time 
 Sandi381:   5'2 
 Sandi381:   115 pounds 
 Sandi381:   blonde ( short) 
 Sandi381:   blue eyes 
 Sandi381:   36 b  
 Sandi381:   29 waist 
 Elijah451:  daggity, dat shit ain't no shwaggity!! 
 Elijah451:  we have a winner!!!! 
 Sandi381:   lol 
 Sandi381:   silly 
 Sandi381:   look pretty damn good for my age, i must say 
 Sandi381:   and i'm not bragging 
 Elijah451:  yah, i can't wait to see in real life! 
 Sandi381:   still get looks from you men 
 Elijah451:  i look way young for my age! 
 Sandi381:   that day will come. 
 Sandi381:   i work out every day 
 Elijah451:  niiiice
 Sandi381:   sounds good 
 Elijah451:  i used to run track & cross country 
 Sandi381:   but you know what 
 Elijah451:  i have a runner's body 
 Sandi381:   oh yeah 
 Sandi381:   well that's good enough for me 
 Sandi381:   and you look fine to me 
 Elijah451:  thank you 
 Elijah451:  i did some run way modeling before...but not print 
 Sandi381:   you do, and don't know what's up with your ex 
 Elijah451:  totally different 
 Sandi381:   oh yeah 
 Elijah451:  she didn't know what she had at the time...i treated her way 
tooo nice
 Sandi381:   dumb a-- 
 Elijah451:  i even took her to cali twice to see my folks! 
 Sandi381:   a women gets a good man and don't know how to treat em 
 Elijah451:  she should've dated an asshole first to see what she had!! 
 Elijah451:  brb 


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>  I think to lift the curse we'll probably have to sacrifice StevieT
 over a fire pit. 

Anyone have a problem with that?

yes. 

> breakin out the marshmellows

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>
>bahahaha, your imaginary friends don't count pixie!!..altho, 
>i do find it cute when you talk to your boobs!!...lol, i guess
>you gotta talk to somethin when nobody's there...but, i guess
>it don't help when everyone knows your an accountant, 

oop, looks like you just shoved yer foot in your mouth again stevie. looks like the only person who doesn't know that i'm NOT an accountant is you. 

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On Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 02:32:36 AM EDT, Holyspirit069@aol.com wrote:

it don't help when everyone knows your an accountant,


amy, since when did you get your CPA??? maybe I can save some money this year on taxes if I get you to do them


laughin at stevie thinkin he knows everything about everyone
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Subject: [mw] what's love got to do with it...wuz Re: [mw] blocking soviet?

ugh, how bitter this thread has turned

i think it's time to turn it into something a li'l more positive...

here, more of my sacrifices for your pleasure...

  Elijah451:     hey, hottie!...remember me? 
 Hottie6938:     }{ello Yes I do 
 Elijah451:  how u been doin? 
 Hottie6938:     Good and you? 
 Elijah451:  aiight...what u been up to? 
 Hottie6938:     nothing much at all 
 Elijah451:  just work? 
 Elijah451:  u dont look like a car prepper 
 Elijah451:  u look like a beauty queen 
 Elijah451:  were u like prom queen in high school? 
 Hottie6938:     nope....far from it ...but thanx for the ego bust :) 
 Elijah451:  what were u like in high school then? 
 Elijah451:  one of the 'popular' kids i'm sure! 
 Hottie6938:     Burnt out lol 
 Elijah451:  burnt out? 
 Hottie6938:     I was a }{ot Girl thats for sure 
 Elijah451:  lol 
 Hottie6938:     I partied alot.... 
 Elijah451:  all the guys wanted you!? 
 Hottie6938:     no
 Elijah451:  wha?! 
 Hottie6938:     look the same now as I did then but a little better lol 
 Elijah451:  aren't u a player too? 
 Elijah451:  u remember how i look? 
 Hottie6938:     yes I do...and no I'm not a player...maybe you should read 
my profile again :) 
 Hottie6938:     brb 
 Elijah451:  yur the hottie, plus u look like a player to me ;) 
 Hottie6938:     no....my heart is not one of a player if that was the case 
i'd be out all the time 
 Hottie6938:     trust me 
 Elijah451:  ya, know the feelin 
 Elijah451:  i'm more careful now 
 Hottie6938:     me to...seems more like I stand alone.....not worth the pain 
that comes from love and a broken heart 
 Elijah451:  u prolly got a date every night w/ all those dudes im'ing you! 
 Hottie6938:     get real...if I did would I be online? 
 Elijah451:  it's where u find the easiest men ;) 
 Elijah451:  w/ u lookin so good, you don't need a job...you could have a new 
guy buyin u dinner each night! 
 Hottie6938:     I'm not like that 
 Elijah451:  dont worry, i dont believe you are 
 Elijah451:  i'm just like you...i just flirt alot on the net 
 Elijah451:  but i'm far from a player too 
 Hottie6938:     thats a good way to lose me as a friend...I hate players 
 Elijah451:  well, a player i'm not...havent dated anyone in about  3 months 
 Elijah451:  just chat w/ alotta 'potentials' on the net 
 Hottie6938:     I feel ya 
 Elijah451:  right on ;) 
 Hottie6938:     I don't date either
 Hottie6938:     TO MUCH TROUBLE 
 Elijah451:  lol 
 Elijah451:  love is a paradox 
 Elijah451:  half the intrigue is the mystery 
 Elijah451:  things wouldn't be any fun if it was any other way 
 Elijah451:  and just when we think we're finally "getting it" it throws us 
another curve ball 
 Elijah451:  at first it irks the dickens outta you... 
 Elijah451:  but later on for some reason, you don't regret it 
 Elijah451:  in fact, there isn't one part of a past relationship you would 
change 
 Hottie6938:     geesh I have a poem to send you sometime thats on that same 
order  
 Hottie6938:     yes their is 
 Elijah451:  and with each lesson, it brings you that much closer to "the 
perfect love" 
 Hottie6938:     there is no perfect love these days...to many ppl are fake 
 Elijah451:  i don't think its a matter of superficiality as much as it 
adaptation with the pace this world is changing... 
 Elijah451:  one sort of has to be multi-faceted  to be succesfull 
 Elijah451:  with each new problem one set solution may not always work 
 Elijah451:  its the theory of relativity on such a grander scale 
 Elijah451:  nowadaze one is put in so many different social situations... 
 Elijah451:  from the workaholic to the understanding mother to the logical 
financial thinker to the romantic lover  
 Elijah451:  i think the succesful modern man and woman has a far more 
complicated lifestyle than ever before 
 Hottie6938:     I agree 
 Elijah451:  and with the rate that technology is accelerating, its almost as 
if things are gettin a li'l too complicated 
 Elijah451:  we're almost at a point in time a critical mass where we have to 
take a step back 
 Elijah451:  and think are we forgeting the basics? 
 Hottie6938:     I just need one to thing to make my life complete and for me 
to be whole 
 Elijah451:  and what is that? 
 Hottie6938:     it's the hardest thing in the world to find and all the 
money in the world can't buy it 
 Elijah451:  and that is... 
 Hottie6938:     True Love...a love that will last forever and a day 
 Elijah451:  and what would that entail? 
 Hottie6938:     one who know how to give love as well as recieve....one who 
will accept me for me and not for what they want me to be, honest open,a best 
friend as well as my lover 
 Hottie6938:     I know thats alot to ask for....but I can't settle for 
less...thats why I'm home alone all the time...refuse to be played....I don't 
have sex....it does nothing for me I make love 
 Elijah451:  wow, i think the rest of the world should know this 
 Elijah451:  perhaps, give all the clueless men out there a clue 
 Hottie6938:     they never listen 
 Elijah451:  we'll make em listen! 


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hey i'm new to the list.  i'm coleman.  i had a 303 question.  what exactly 
does it do and does anyone know where i can get a download.  if not, what do 
i need to make dnb bass lines??

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Subject: [mw] fwd: [{pb-cle} Re: drugs & raves]

actually mw-raves doesn't have half as many crack heads as pb-cle...

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el ass dee writes:
      
      << However, this doesn't make the scene an LSD-ridden debauchery, 
       any more than you're a serial killer if you see the movie "Silence of
       the Lambs."
       
       I'd always thought Acid was a reference to the way the 303 sounds 
       kind of like the guitar solos in late 1960's Acid Rock. >>
      
      Nooooo way, dood!!....It's all about thee assseeeeed, doood!!
      
      My big brother Ryan Bimbo told me, he's an old skooler, 
      he's been going to parties for a year now, doood!!
      
      He knows his shiiiit, doood!!...He always gets da mad smack, 
      he knows wazzaup!!...
      
      He said like all these hippies got together and like brewed 
      like dis mad batch o asssseeeed!!...and they were all like
      tripping ballzz!!...and like we should like get more people to
      trip with us and like call it like a Rave Partyyyyyy...Yah!!...
      
      So, like anybody that tells you that it started from thee
      music...like Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, or Juan Atkins...
      who thee hell are those guys, doood!!...they ain't shit!!...they
      don't got no asssseeeeed!!...
      
      Plus what the hell is techno?!...We only listen to Jungle!!...
      cuz it like gives us an excuse to be bad ass!!...cuz you know
      women are bitches....and this way we can make fun of all thee 
      candy kids...make em feel insecure, so they'll hafta to buy more 
      asssseeeed!!! 

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At 09:52 13-8-00, you wrote:

>hey i'm new to the list.

Hi.

>what exactly does it do and does anyone know where i can get a download.

It does "bow-bow-boowooeoeoeooeoeoeow".

>if not, what do i need to make dnb bass lines??

Balls, my friend.

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Subject: Re: [mw] VNRR: Love is Shit

  What is beautiful and wonderful and all the things
people say love is being in love with someone who has
loved you back.  I have been in love and still am but
I am not with that person anymore.  One boyfriend was
in love with me but I didn't feel that way back to him
and we're not together.  That is the part of love that
is shit.  The part that makes love a wonderful thing
is an exchange of love.  Love on it's own just sucks
you need another person to share it with, just giving
or just receiving love is not some wonderful and
magical thing that can last forever.  
  I agree that most people confuse love with lust.  I
know I have felt lust and I also know I have felt
love.  It's just so sad to love a person who doesn't
love you.  That's what is shit.  I guess it's not
really fair to just say love is shit without
qualifying that remark.

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Subject: [mw] Headroom

As I said before,  I wasn't all excited about seeing these 3 guys...their 
tracks didn't do it for me...

Well.....I also said I would fully admit it if I like them...or disliked 
them...
Damn..their tracks still don't do anything for me, but their mixing.....
fuckola...
JESUS!  
They were simply amazing...they were doubling off of eachother... amazing 
tracks.. I think I heard 4832048392890 drumcodes..oh how I love Swechno.  
I think I heard them go off.. maybe 2x..   and thats DAMN good for 6 tables.. 
 and the time I really heard it, they got right back on track in less then a 
second.
Those tables were down too low though.. their backs must be ready to fall off.
And it could have been louder, but when can't it be louder?

: )

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Subject: Re: [mw] Headroom

headroom was the shit.
at first they played hard techno to start at around 143bpm
and more toward the end of the set they just got raw ending at 155bpm
they played missile 33.  that ep rocked.
headroom in chicago anyone?



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> As I said before,  I wasn't all excited about seeing these 3 guys...their
> tracks didn't do it for me...
>
> Well.....I also said I would fully admit it if I like them...or disliked
> them...
> Damn..their tracks still don't do anything for me, but their mixing.....
> fuckola...
> JESUS!
> They were simply amazing...they were doubling off of eachother... amazing
> tracks.. I think I heard 4832048392890 drumcodes..oh how I love Swechno.
> I think I heard them go off.. maybe 2x..   and thats DAMN good for 6
tables..
>  and the time I really heard it, they got right back on track in less then
a
> second.
> Those tables were down too low though.. their backs must be ready to fall
off.
> And it could have been louder, but when can't it be louder?
>
> : )
>
> lorie
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Subject: Re: [mw] fwd: [{pb-cle} Re: drugs & raves]


I can tell you right now, pb-cle is full of crackheads!
acid, my ass!!  It's all about da weed, baby!!  Just ask
my boy Jinx, I mean Hugh!!  He's the real deal!!  We've
been blazin since like 1999!!  He's the real deal!!

May, Saunderson, Atkins and the rest of those detroit 
freaks ain't got shit on us!!  Music my ass!!  It's all
about the weed!!  Plus our city is bigger if you count
all the heads we got baked out in da burbs, yo!!

We makin so much loot we bought our front girl pixie some
new boobs!!  She's so happy about her new "friends" she
talks to em everyday!!  She deserved em, she's the best
cash cleaner in the midwest!!  Big up, to my number one
ho!!


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Subject: Re: [mw] 303 technical q

um a 303 is a peice of hardware so you cant download it, and it usually not
used with jungle, but i dont know what you would use.
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> hey i'm new to the list.  i'm coleman.  i had a 303 question.  what
exactly
> does it do and does anyone know where i can get a download.  if not, what
do
> i need to make dnb bass lines??
>
> thanks,
> coleman
>
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Subject: [mw] Bootsie Collins in cincy

i wen tto see santanna and macy gray concert last night..... i flipped out 
when they brought the legendary Bottsie COllins on stage to sing some 
melodies with them. i figured he was in town for the Scribble Jam... any1 go 
to that???

anyway Santanna was awesome live. Macy Gray would ruin her career if she 
cleared her throat and Bootsie had the crowd super hyped!!!

o yeah some fuckin raver kid asked me for a 10pack of pills in line for beer
fuckin ravers

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Subject: Re: [mw] 303 technical q

 Loopv5@aol.com writes:

> hey i'm new to the list.  i'm coleman.  i had a 303 question.  what exactly 
>  does it do and does anyone know where i can get a download.  if not, what 
do 
> 
>  i need to make dnb bass lines??
>  
>  thanks,
>  coleman

-0f your interested in the 303 sound why don't you do a search on it...find 
out what you can...try soemthing like this site for info may help
 <A HREF="http://www.tb-303.org/">TB-303 Resources </A>
or
 <A HREF="http://aolsearch.aol.com/dirsearch.adp?knf=1&query=303"> "303"</A> 














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Subject: Re: [mw] fwd: [{pb-cle} Re: drugs & raves]

WTF?

>
>
>I can tell you right now, pb-cle is full of crackheads!
>acid, my ass!!  It's all about da weed, baby!!  Just ask
>my boy Jinx, I mean Hugh!!  He's the real deal!!  We've
>been blazin since like 1999!!  He's the real deal!!
>
>May, Saunderson, Atkins and the rest of those detroit
>freaks ain't got shit on us!!  Music my ass!!  It's all
>about the weed!!  Plus our city is bigger if you count
>all the heads we got baked out in da burbs, yo!!
>
>We makin so much loot we bought our front girl pixie some
>new boobs!!  She's so happy about her new "friends" she
>talks to em everyday!!  She deserved em, she's the best
>cash cleaner in the midwest!!  Big up, to my number one
>ho!!
>
>
>__________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: [mw] fwd: [{pb-cle} Re: drugs & raves]

Stevie.

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Hugh G. Blaze wrote:

-->WTF?
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-->>
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-->>I can tell you right now, pb-cle is full of crackheads!
-->>acid, my ass!!  It's all about da weed, baby!!  Just ask
-->>my boy Jinx, I mean Hugh!!  He's the real deal!!  We've
-->>been blazin since like 1999!!  He's the real deal!!
-->>
-->>May, Saunderson, Atkins and the rest of those detroit
-->>freaks ain't got shit on us!!  Music my ass!!  It's all
-->>about the weed!!  Plus our city is bigger if you count
-->>all the heads we got baked out in da burbs, yo!!
-->>
-->>We makin so much loot we bought our front girl pixie some
-->>new boobs!!  She's so happy about her new "friends" she
-->>talks to em everyday!!  She deserved em, she's the best
-->>cash cleaner in the midwest!!  Big up, to my number one
-->>ho!!
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Subject: Re: [mw] Bootsie Collins in cincy

On Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 02:29:47 PM EDT, Trancedanz@aol.com wrote:

> i wen tto see santanna and macy gray concert last night..... i flipped out 
> when they brought the legendary Bottsie COllins on stage to sing some 
> melodies with them. i figured he was in town for the Scribble Jam... any1 go 
> to that???

Gabe, Bootsie Collins lives in Cincinnati, back in the 70's he was about our only claim to a music star. Now we have 98 Degrees to be excited about...whoooo hooooo!!!

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On Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 12:09:44 PM EDT, Eye-D wrote:

> Balls, my friend.
> 
> Eye-D's been up too long...
> 

 And we all know that Frank can lay claim to the Biggest Balls of them All on mw-raves, whether they're naturally that big or swelled up from storage.

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Subject: Re: Re: [mw] fwd: [{pb-cle} Re: drugs & raves]

On Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 10:46:47 AM EDT, tru olskl wrote:

Hi StevieT....new Screen name I see. Guess you finally ran out of AOL Screen names.


shawne
> 
> I can tell you right now, pb-cle is full of crackheads!
> acid, my ass!!  It's all about da weed, baby!!  Just ask
> my boy Jinx, I mean Hugh!!  He's the real deal!!  We've
> been blazin since like 1999!!  He's the real deal!!
> 
> May, Saunderson, Atkins and the rest of those detroit 
> freaks ain't got shit on us!!  Music my ass!!  It's all
> about the weed!!  Plus our city is bigger if you count
> all the heads we got baked out in da burbs, yo!!
> 
> We makin so much loot we bought our front girl pixie some
> new boobs!!  She's so happy about her new "friends" she
> talks to em everyday!!  She deserved em, she's the best
> cash cleaner in the midwest!!  Big up, to my number one
> ho!!
> 
> 
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On Sunday, August 13, 2000 at 10:46:47 AM EDT, tru olskl wrote:

> We makin so much loot we bought our front girl pixie some
> new boobs!!  She's so happy about her new "friends" she
> talks to em everyday!!  She deserved em, she's the best
> cash cleaner in the midwest!!  Big up, to my number one
> ho!!
> 

Dam stevie...for her being the Whore of Babylon you sure have a strange fascination whith her and her boobs, are you falling for the Last Temptation of Christ or something.

As En Vogue told you already:

You're never gonna get, never gonna get it

shawne
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if stevie's putting us on, there's no way he could do it by himself.

chad

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, tru olskl wrote:

>=20
> I can tell you right now, pb-cle is full of crackheads!
> acid, my ass!!  It's all about da weed, baby!!  Just ask
> my boy Jinx, I mean Hugh!!  He's the real deal!!  We've
> been blazin since like 1999!!  He's the real deal!!
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> about the weed!!  Plus our city is bigger if you count
> all the heads we got baked out in da burbs, yo!!
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>We makin so much loot we bought our front girl pixie some
>new boobs!!  

talking to your norfin trolls again, stevie?

/me grabs a handful of 100% natural north american caucasian uneven breast.

yeah, baby
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>at first they played hard techno to start at around 143bpm

I thought it was closer to 141.7bpm, but I
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Subject: [mw] Rebirth Review "Headroom, Angel Alanis, Submerge101"

Rebirth was a blast, lot of friendly faces, the Venue was not overheated, 
the venue was decorated nicely, although the sound did bounce towards the 
back of the roller ring It was still a night of Pure Techno Bliss.

On to the DJ Review..

Headroom
Where bangin some really hardSlammin Techno, It was a bit intelligent for 
some of those it did not do it for, but these guys where probably the most 
organized techno dj's I have ever seen, figering all 3 where on 6 
turntables. No wonder all the good shit is frm sweden.

Submerge101, Wow is all I have to say, If the night belong to anyone it 
definelty belong to this guy. he was straiight up bangin shit fast and hard, 
I think he started at 145 and Finished at 155Bpm, playing some of the 
hardest shit I have heard, his mixing skills where flawless and his 
Scratching and tricks where intense, big up to this man, one of the best 
techno dj's in the midwest indeed.

Angel Alanis, I was a bit disapointed to hear him play house, but he still 
had everyone in a up roar. from delicious funky traxx too mellow vocal house 
this guy knows how to put it all together like no one else can. I am not too 
much of a fan of house mucic  but he had my arse movin.

Nice Job House of Babylon
Keep the indy scene alive.
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Subject: [mw] furthur -  come prepared...


http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/mw/media/articles/oldarticles/ta2.further

had i decided to go, my first furthur would have been  in 95...
but i think i'd have been that one guy... you know the guy... who flips
out each year.  that wasn't why i didn't go, but looking back usually
also makes me think of what might have been.

at little furthur last year, i remember the guy who ran past our tent
screaming for someone to help him... screaming that he was losing his
mind.  he was either a very good actor, or he was going through some
mental hell that was so powerful it started to put me there as i tried to
imagine it.  i hope he's alright. 

this year, aside from food, tents, clothes, SUNSCREAN!!!, water, and
whatever else you need for the weekend... (wasn't it becky that posted her
list of stuff to bring the last couple years?)... please come prepared
mentally, and urge others to do the same.  because of the mix of people
that are sure to be there, and the people putting together this event,
literally anything can happen.  so be ready for it.

come to have fun and go furthur, but please be careful... and if you see
something completely shitty going on (i.e. - someone freaking out,
someone's face burning off becaues of no sunscrean, someone stealing
equipment, etc.)  please take responsibility and either try to help
yourself or let someone in charge know.  or both.

and also remember that no one is forcing you to be there, so you don't
have to if you don't want to.

peace,
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--  The Famous "Kurt Vonnegut" speech to the MIT class of '97


(Actually written by a Chicago columnist)


Ladies and gentlemen of the class of '97:

Wear sunscreen.

If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be
it. The long-term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by
scientists, whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable
than my own meandering experience. I will dispense this advice now.

Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Oh, never mind. You will not
understand the power and beauty of your youth until they've faded. But
trust me, in 20 years, you'll look back at photos of yourself and
recall in a way you can't grasp now how much possibility lay before
you and how fabulous you really looked. You are not as fat as you
imagine.

Don't worry about the future. Or worry, but know that worrying is as
effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubble
gum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never
crossed your worried mind, the kind that blindside you at 4 pm on some
idle Tuesday.

Do one thing every day that scares you.

Sing.

Don't be reckless with other people's hearts. Don't put up with people
who are reckless with yours.

Floss.

Don't waste your time on jealousy. Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes
you're behind. The race is long and, in the end, it's only with
yourself.

Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. If you succeed
in doing this, tell me how.

Keep your old love letters. Throw away your old bank statements.

Stretch.

Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want to do with your
life. The most interesting people I know didn't know at 22 what they
wanted to do with their lives. Some of the most interesting
40-year-olds I know still don't.

Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees. You'll miss them when
they're gone.

Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll have children, maybe
you won't. Maybe you'll divorce at 40, maybe you'll dance the funky
chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary. Whatever you do, don't
congratulate yourself too much, or berate yourself either. Your
choices are half chance. So are everybody else's. Enjoy your body. Use
it every way you can. Don't be afraid of it or of what other people
think of it. It's the greatest instrument you'll ever own.

Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. Read
the directions, even if you don't follow them. Do not read beauty
magazines. They will only make you feel ugly.

Get to know your parents. You never know when they'll be gone for
good. Be nice to your siblings. They're your best link to your past
and the people most likely to stick with you in the future.

Understand that friends come and go, but with a precious few you
should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and
lifestyle, because the older you get, the more you need the people who
knew you when you were young.

Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard. Live
in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft.
Travel.

Accept certain inalienable truths: Prices will rise. Politicians will
philander. You, too, will get old. And when you do, you'll fantasize
that when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were
noble, and children respected their elders.

Respect your elders.

Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund.
Maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse. But you never know when either one
might run out.

Don't mess too much with your hair or by the time you're 40 it will
look 85.

Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply
it. Advice is a form of nostalgia. Dispensing it is a way of fishing
the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly
parts and recycling it for more than it's worth. But trust me on the
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i'll post this again closer to the party, but i wanted to also remind everyone that if you are in need of anything: water, food, fresh fruit, a tent to crash in for a couple of hours, sunscreen, bug spray, some amusing anectdotes from the weirdos from down south, etc, look for the big sparkly flourescent "you are here" sign. i make a habit of bringing enough water, food, and supplies for way more than ever comes with my group. it's something i've made done ever since we started going to these three-or-four day shindigs. i'm an older and slightly wiser raver these days, and i know that there will always be people who forgot to bring essentials, or who might have lost them somewhere along the way. it's my way of helping take care. plus, you can't make me go home with 5 gallons of water and a cooler full of food again this year. you just can't. it's not right ;]

lookin out as best i can
much respect
pixie


>come to have fun and go furthur, but please be careful... and if you see
>something completely shitty going on (i.e. - someone freaking out,
>someone's face burning off becaues of no sunscrean, someone stealing
>equipment, etc.)  please take responsibility and either try to help
>yourself or let someone in charge know.  or both.



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.. not sure if someone's posted it or not, but i've got the Even Furthur
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> Marco Carola played @ Motor lastnight.. and may I say... YUmMmMMAY!
> He is damn good.  I am always impressed when an amazing producer can mix just 
> as well.

...and look SO FINE doing it.

UNH!!!




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In a message dated 8/13/00 9:45:23 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< ...and look SO FINE doing it.
 
 UNH!!!
  >>


RIGHT!
Watching him shake his ass..  damn
ahahhahha

SeXXxAy.
he smokes though..  that ruined my vision of sexxayness.

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Griggles wrote:

> --  The Famous "Kurt Vonnegut" speech to the MIT class of '97
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[Excellent speech snipped]

There is an old track by the Sunscreem called 'wear sunscreen' that
has someone reciting this speech in it.  I think I have it on MP3
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 i think they've kinda been going downhill since the move from annie's. this year's was even more
crowded than the last, it was just ridiculous and i ended up leaving early. all the pieces are
being buffed out tomorrow as a condition of painting at the ritz, so a lot of the writers put more
time into what they did friday at annie's. a lot of them were complaining about not being able to
get flicks of their work because of the crush of people. once again i found the park jam more
enjoyable than the other events. one of my friends commented on "all the ravers trying to give us
their damn flyers". there was a b-girl crew from florida called - no lie - "fuck your mom". they
had seriously bad attitudes, and they got served. maybe they were used to doing their routines to
some epcot trance? i took off when the MC's started up.. I dunno, it seems like they totally crush
the mood of things. maybe if they had something intelligent to say instead of just insults and
predictable punchlines.. one of the judges of the MC battle said they had to cut the last few
rounds down to 30 second spots?  met some cool people, saw a lot of people i don't get to see much
of.. passed around books & flicks - it was cool to see a spontaneous writer's bench form at the
park..  got hit off with some free wax, my friend OPTIK's new mixtape, and a copy of the new issue
of scribble, which has a couple of really sick billboards in it - especially the ESPO one about
inspiration.. god bless ESPO. i also found out someone here in town is selling Belton paints.. $4
a can - but damn, those are some nice colors! some writers who had just been to montreal for
"under pressure" said they carry them there as "true colors" and that european writers have
endorsed certain ones - there's a CAN-2 red and LOOMIT bronze?? i don't know what to think about
that.. that Belton aqua color, though. mm. ok, this has nothing to do with the event.. guess that
makes this the end of my review.




 

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tru_ol_skl_01@yahoo.com (tru olskl) writes:

<< > We makin so much loot we bought our front girl pixie some
 > new boobs!!  She's so happy about her new "friends" she
 > talks to em everyday!!  She deserved em, she's the best
 > cash cleaner in the midwest!!  Big up, to my number one
 > ho!! >>

um, i think this was supposed to be some sick joke along
the lines of how mozart wuz trippin balls when he was 
composing...sort of like how the press would love to portray
us all as drug fiend gangsters, when most of the ravers i know 
can't afford drugs because the door prices are so high!!

i know, i've been oppressed so much that i can barely afford 
food, let alone buying any of "my girls" boob jobs!!...and the last
person i'd get a boob job for is pixie!!....and here i am with a 
college degree w/ 6 years experience in my field too!!...can you
say discrimination!!

the corporate white supremists are so evil here, all these blacks
were protesting on campus about how they've been paid minimal
wage (like $7/hr)  all this time and they've got kids to support!!...i 
think the scrooges finally gave em like a 50 cent raise if they kept 
w/ the job for like 3 months!!...fucking ridiculous!!

i know the verizon wireless workers just had a huge strike there cuz
they were getting shafted big time!!...and everybody knows what 
happened at the republican convention in philly!!...strange how the
media never showed any of that (aside from the sharp shooters on
the roof) but they love trying to portray raves as drug fests when 
woodstock had twice as much drugs that were twice as potent!!...
hell back in the day acid came in friggin cubes!!...and i remember
when rolls were half dollar size...and now they're the size of aspirins!!
,..what a joke!!

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On Monday, August 14, 2000 at 01:56:02 AM EDT,

damm stevie, talk to yourself much??

shawne

 Holyspirit069@aol.com wrote:
> tru_ol_skl_01@yahoo.com (tru olskl) writes:
> 
> << > We makin so much loot we bought our front girl pixie some
>  > new boobs!!  She's so happy about her new "friends" she
>  > talks to em everyday!!  She deserved em, she's the best
>  > cash cleaner in the midwest!!  Big up, to my number one
>  > ho!! >>
> 
> um, i think this was supposed to be some sick joke along
> the lines of how mozart wuz trippin balls when he was 
> composing...sort of like how the press would love to portray
> us all as drug fiend gangsters, when most of the ravers i know 
> can't afford drugs because the door prices are so high!!
> 
> i know, i've been oppressed so much that i can barely afford 
> food, let alone buying any of "my girls" boob jobs!!...and the last
> person i'd get a boob job for is pixie!!....and here i am with a 
> college degree w/ 6 years experience in my field too!!...can you
> say discrimination!!
> 
> the corporate white supremists are so evil here, all these blacks
> were protesting on campus about how they've been paid minimal
> wage (like $7/hr)  all this time and they've got kids to support!!...i 
> think the scrooges finally gave em like a 50 cent raise if they kept 
> w/ the job for like 3 months!!...fucking ridiculous!!
> 
> i know the verizon wireless workers just had a huge strike there cuz
> they were getting shafted big time!!...and everybody knows what 
> happened at the republican convention in philly!!...strange how the
> media never showed any of that (aside from the sharp shooters on
> the roof) but they love trying to portray raves as drug fests when 
> woodstock had twice as much drugs that were twice as potent!!...
> hell back in the day acid came in friggin cubes!!...and i remember
> when rolls were half dollar size...and now they're the size of aspirins!!
> ,..what a joke!!
> 
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> 
> 
> 
  


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<< damm stevie, talk to yourself much??
 
 shawne >>

shut up stupid, i'm trying to save your pathetic crack ass!!

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> shawne@zoomtown.com writes:
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> << damm stevie, talk to yourself much??
>  
>  shawne >>
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> shut up stupid, i'm trying to save your pathetic crack ass!!
> 
not only are you have a episode of split-personalities arguing, but now you're getting beligerent...daaam

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shawne@zoomtown.com writes:

<< not only are you have a episode of split-personalities arguing, 
but now you're getting beligerent...daaam
 
 shawne >>

not only are you have?

ugh, this is your brain...this is your brain on crack!!

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On Monday, August 14, 2000

Oh so sorry...having an


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> << not only are you have a episode of split-personalities arguing, 
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>  
>  shawne >>
> 
> not only are you have?
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> ugh, this is your brain...this is your brain on crack!!
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>not only are you have?
>
>ugh, this is your brain...this is your brain on crack!!

what, just because your spell checker is working now you're cool or something?

stevie t. better than crack.

proud to be crack free
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so that all of you may give your delete keys a rest, i'm going to bed.

good-night stevie, good-night mw-raves, good-night john boy.

start my new job tomorrow =D
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<< On Monday, August 14, 2000
 
 Oh so sorry...having an >>

what am i wastin my breath here for?!...you're the friggin enemy!!

yur prolly another greedy white dude profiting from the creations
of the meek!!...capitalist pig!!...wasn't scribble jam s'posed to be
a black thang & pigs like u get all the loot!!

dats prolly why u can't talk now cuz yur prolly like on 6 rolls!!

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WTF??? Now all of the sudden I'm the one that throws Scribble Jam?? My name aint Mr. Dibbs. Stevie, I dont know what crawled up your ass and died today, but you're losing the small grip you ever had on reality. Take a nice deep breath, pick up that phone, and dial the nearest Psych Ward. You'll be nice and comfy in that White Van wearing that White Jacket with the really long sleeves on it.

going to bed
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I've been trying to unsub this screen name from the list for 2 days now. Every unsub confirmation that is sent to me comes back Invalid everytime I send the reply back.

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OLeSkL writes:

<< WTF??? Now all of the sudden I'm the one that throws Scribble Jam?? My 
name aint Mr. Dibbs. Stevie, I dont know what crawled up your ass and died 
today, but you're losing the small grip you ever had on reality. Take a nice 
deep breath, pick up that phone, and dial the nearest Psych Ward. You'll be 
nice and comfy in that White Van wearing that White Jacket with the really 
long sleeves on it.
  >>

who the hell said you threw the party...i just said u were prolly
on 6 rolls (for mysterious business reasons)...thus your spelling 
impairment!

how should i put it....like that b-girl crew from florida: "fuck your mom"
...that whore from babylon (with the fake boobs)!!!


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||what am i wastin my breath here for?!

get back to me on that. i really hope you're not trying to save our souls.. cause, um..
personally? well.. let's just say i'm considering some *very* lucrative offers..

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Subject: Re: [mw] scribblejammed

Any poppers at the scribble jam...if so where any of them good?  i'm just 
asking becuase i'm from chicago and i never get to see anyone popping except 
myself in the mirror.  So please please (j/k I'm not really desperate) 
recount any and all interesting moves you saw there.

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Baz Lurhman (spelling??) also did one for the Top 40 people, played it every
10 mins on the radio here... God I hate the radio...
Peace
John
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> Griggles wrote:
>
> > --  The Famous "Kurt Vonnegut" speech to the MIT class of '97
> >
>
> [Excellent speech snipped]
>
> There is an old track by the Sunscreem called 'wear sunscreen' that
> has someone reciting this speech in it.  I think I have it on MP3
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> and we do have that nam june paik robot video sculpture 
> downtown in front of the contemporary arts
really?
maybe i should not avoid cincy as much as I used to.

I was in new york for a bit this summer, and at the guggenheim nam june paik
had
a showcase there.
there was a huge installation involving 25 or so tv's, a giant water fountan
and some lasers.
the thing went all the way up the 5 or 6 story entrance(the guggenheim has a
large central foyer and the stairs
spiral up around it)
this thing was huge, all his installations there were wonderful.
err
i mean.
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From mw-raves-return-5711-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 14 13:28:31 2000
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te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< get back to me on that. i really hope you're not trying to 
save our souls.. cause, um.. personally? well.. let's just say 
i'm considering some *very* lucrative offers..>>

Um, I'm afraid you lost your soul a long time ago, Ted!

Um, I do believe it is written that when the Lord was to return
the second time it was because things have gone to such
hell that he is forced to start armageddon by opening the book
with the seven seals of the end times and one of the things
on the list is cursing all the wicked men!...

Revelation 6...
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men,
and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman,
and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks
of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us, and hide us from
the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the
Lamb...
17 For the great day of his wrath is come, and who shall be able to
stand?


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Subject: Re: [mw] scribblejammed

>recount any and all interesting moves you saw there.
>

wow were there people breakin at scribble, i know i sure as fuck couldnt see 
any...to many fuckin people, to small of a circle, not enough elevated stuff 
to stand on to watch....only move i saw was on the close curcuit 
tv...honestly if i had wanted to watch scribble on tv i woulda bought the 
video with the damn 15 bucks it cost me to get in and been able to watch it 
forever

but the graph work was fuckin NICE !!!!!!!

and see my girl lil steph again made it worth every damn penny i spent to 
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Subject: [mw] Part 2, Evansville IN

Did anyone go to part 2 in Evansville IN this weekend?
 It was a great party and i haven't herd any reviews
as of yet?  

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Subject: [mw] Big Balls (Was: Re: Re: [mw] 303 technical q)

On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 03:10:56PM -0400, shawne wrote:
>  And we all know that Frank can lay claim to the Biggest Balls of them
> All on mw-raves, whether they're naturally that big or swelled up from
> storage.  

No, I'm afraid I must disagree...  Derek Plaslaiko has nuts the size of
basketballs.

Which reminds me of a question I came up with after watching that one
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massage your dad's ass, etc")...  Would you rather have balls the size
of Grape Nuts or balls the size of grapefruits?

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On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 05:14:32AM -0500, Intraveinous wrote:
> Baz Lurhman (spelling??) also did one for the Top 40 people, played it every
> 10 mins on the radio here... God I hate the radio...

Anybody ever hear the "Yoda" remake of it?

I'm sure it's on Napster.

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Okay, now you tell me=85Who=92s got the biggest balls of them all???

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 11:15:34 -0500, atomly wrote:

>  On Sun, Aug 13, 2000 at 03:10:56PM -0400, shawne wrote:
>  >  And we all know that Frank can lay claim to the Biggest Balls of them
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> =20
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> =20
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>  massage your dad's ass, etc")...  Would you rather have balls the size
>  of Grape Nuts or balls the size of grapefruits?
> =20
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any1 from cincy going????? or any1 else, i tihink we are going up but not to 
sure yet. will be my first cleveland party



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Subject: [mw] anyone going to phatphest?

I am just curious if anyone's planning to come out
there. I just talked to one of the promoters. They
have already sold over 5000 pre-sales and are selling
more. They'll have 3 stages spread out over the area
of 400 acres. I am sure a lot of you won't go because
the name of the party isn't cool enough, but i was
still curious =)

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Good luck to those promoters, but as you all know  ...  thats the weekend of 
mine and lauryn's event =)

Weird that they have sold so many presales... I have yet to see a flyer and I 
have been ALL OVER the MW promoting for RED and I haven't seen anyone 
promoting for phatphest...  
anyhoo, whatever event you go to.. have fun.

Lorie


In a message dated 8/14/00 1:30:53 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< I am just curious if anyone's planning to come out
 there. I just talked to one of the promoters. They
 have already sold over 5000 pre-sales and are selling
 more. They'll have 3 stages spread out over the area
 of 400 acres. I am sure a lot of you won't go because
 the name of the party isn't cool enough, but i was
 still curious =)
 
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misha don't love me. =( you just wanna go see dj rap. don't
lie. hahahahahahah.

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||I am sure a lot of you won't go because the name of the party isn't cool enough

 Well, besides the fact there's nobody playing I care to hear, and besides the fact that I've
never heard of the promoters, and not to mention that some pretty good friends of mine are
throwing an event that same weekend that fills the first two criteria, nor that this year's
scribblejam has moved me from mildly antisocial to agoraphobic and camping with 5,000 R4V3RZ might
just push me over the edge into good old machete-twirling sociopathy (and I'd really like to avoid
that if at all possible...) 

 <deep breath>

 Yeah, "phatphest" isn't a very cool name. You know what would be a cool name? Blood Orgy of The
Atomic Fern.










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if anyone from cincy is plannin to go to lauryn and lories party red in indy 
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wOoHOo!!!  Ted is coming to support the Konfused massive.

/me tackels ted and makes him pee.

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<< ||I am sure a lot of you won't go because the name of the party isn't cool 
enough
 
  Well, besides the fact there's nobody playing I care to hear, and besides 
the fact that I've
 never heard of the promoters, and not to mention that some pretty good 
friends of mine are
 throwing an event that same weekend that fills the first two criteria, nor 
that this year's
 scribblejam has moved me from mildly antisocial to agoraphobic and camping 
with 5,000 R4V3RZ might
 just push me over the edge into good old machete-twirling sociopathy (and 
I'd really like to avoid
 that if at all possible...) 
 
  <deep breath>
 
  Yeah, "phatphest" isn't a very cool name. You know what would be a cool 
name? Blood Orgy of The
 Atomic Fern.
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I am sure the crowd for Even Furthur will be SO much
different from that of any other outdoor party that
happens in Midwest. But I understand your concerns =)


--- Ted Weinberg <te_one@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ||I am sure a lot of you won't go because the name
> of the party isn't cool enough
> 
>  Well, besides the fact there's nobody playing I
> care to hear, and besides the fact that I've
> never heard of the promoters, and not to mention
> that some pretty good friends of mine are
> throwing an event that same weekend that fills the
> first two criteria, nor that this year's
> scribblejam has moved me from mildly antisocial to
> agoraphobic and camping with 5,000 R4V3RZ might
> just push me over the edge into good old
> machete-twirling sociopathy (and I'd really like to
> avoid
> that if at all possible...) 
> 
>  <deep breath>
> 
>  Yeah, "phatphest" isn't a very cool name. You know
> what would be a cool name? Blood Orgy of The
> Atomic Fern.
> 
> 
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yeah i am gonna stare at her boobs the whole time i am
on the stage. I think it's worth a trip there...plus i
am spinning there too so now i kinda HAVE to go ..

misha


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> rap. don't
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The reason you haven't seen any flyers for Phatphest
in your area is probably because they have been
advertising it more toward the east coast than
midwest. But they had 115 000 flyers out so I am
guessing they'll get a good crowd of people. Not to
say that the quality of the crowd will be great, but
that's not something that's up to the promoters
anymore. 
Good luck on RED btw.

misha


--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> Good luck to those promoters, but as you all know 
> ...  thats the weekend of 
> mine and lauryn's event =)
> 
> Weird that they have sold so many presales... I have
> yet to see a flyer and I 
> have been ALL OVER the MW promoting for RED and I
> haven't seen anyone 
> promoting for phatphest...  
> anyhoo, whatever event you go to.. have fun.
> 
> Lorie
> 
> 

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I will be there...Net meet anyone?


On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

>  The reason you haven't seen any flyers for Phatphest
>  in your area is probably because they have been
>  advertising it more toward the east coast than
>  midwest. But they had 115 000 flyers out so I am
>  guessing they'll get a good crowd of people. Not to
>  say that the quality of the crowd will be great, but
>  that's not something that's up to the promoters
>  anymore.=20
>  Good luck on RED btw.
> =20
>  misha
> =20
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>  >=20
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>  > yet to see a flyer and I=20
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>  > haven't seen anyone=20
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On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 01:27:58PM -0500, bitch on wheels wrote:
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> On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 01:27:58PM -0500, bitch on wheels wrote:
> > http://thematrix.acmecity.com/tank/137/tvsmatrix001.html
> 
> I submitted this to Slashdot last week and those assclowns rejected it!
> Show's what they know about comedy!

    That shit's fucking HILARIOUS, I love it...

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Subject: [mw] people at parties - Re: [mw] anyone going to phatphest?


On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> midwest. But they had 115 000 flyers out so I am
> guessing they'll get a good crowd of people. Not to
> say that the quality of the crowd will be great, but
> that's not something that's up to the promoters
> anymore. 

i beg to differ.  promoters can get good people at their events if they
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||I am sure the crowd for Even Furthur will be SO much different from that of any other outdoor
||party that happens in Midwest.

 They'll certainly be a hell of a lot drunker. I'm probably not going to that, either, though the
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Subject: [mw] This Wednesday Night - Activ8 - Dayton, OH

August 16th, Denny's Creature brings you our weekly, Activ8.

* Venue: Mother Rucker's, Dayton, OH
* Directions:  
http://maps.yahoo.com/py/ddResults.py?Pyt=Tmap&tarname=&tardesc=&taraddr=1130+
E.+Central&tarcsz=West+Carrollton,+OH+45449-1825&doit=1

or call 937.866.6699

* Cover: $2 for 18 - 20, Free for 21+
* Lineup this week:
DJ Soniq Stylz - House, Breaks - Dayton
Green Tara - Acid Techno - Dayton
Dezz - Drum n' Bass - Dayton
Pac Man - Techno - Cincinnati
Ali Obvious - Funky House - Dayton

Doors open @ 9 pm, and we go 'til 2:30 am.  Hope to see you all there!!

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Subject: Re: [mw] anyone going to phatphest?

I should be going as well.  I'd be up for a net meet, as I have yet to
manage to catch any of you at other parties.  Let me know...
Oh, I managed to get a flyer at Renegade before it got busted, plus they had
the preflyers waaaay back at the Clubhead/Stillfresh party back in May.
I've had quite a bad string of parties lately, the last two ( I don't count
club events in this) I've been  to have been busted and the one before
that....well, lets just say that someone I know was found the next day in
his neighbors yard naked because he was a dumbass and took a whole bunch of
sh!t and went wandering off in the wee hours of the morning.

Glowworm (Heather)

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I will be there...Net meet anyone?


On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 12:26:09 -0700 (PDT), Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

>  The reason you haven't seen any flyers for Phatphest
>  in your area is probably because they have been
>  advertising it more toward the east coast than
>  midwest. But they had 115 000 flyers out so I am
>  guessing they'll get a good crowd of people. Not to
>  say that the quality of the crowd will be great, but
>  that's not something that's up to the promoters
>  anymore.
>  Good luck on RED btw.
>
>  misha
>
>
>  --- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
>  > Good luck to those promoters, but as you all know
>  > ...  thats the weekend of
>  > mine and lauryn's event =)
>  >
>  > Weird that they have sold so many presales... I have
>  > yet to see a flyer and I
>  > have been ALL OVER the MW promoting for RED and I
>  > haven't seen anyone
>  > promoting for phatphest...
>  > anyhoo, whatever event you go to.. have fun.
>  >
>  > Lorie
>  >
>  >
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Subject: [mw] so this is what they teach you in the military these days...

so i found this crazy chick checkin out my hard drive while i wuz
on-line...apparently she just got outta the military and was 
looking for a good time...we got to some chattin on IM...

Elijah451:   i thought u were gonna go race yur car 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    :-D 
 Elijah451:  what kinda car u got? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    1st Gen 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I did 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I made 2000$ 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    i gotta go 
 Elijah451:  huh? what kinda car is dat? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    dude you are ignorant 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    you must know nothing about your car 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I will race you for your car 
 Elijah451:  what the hell r u talking about? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    If I win, I get your car 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Sound good? 
 Elijah451:  u shoot pool? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    no 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I jack people up 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Look 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I gotta go 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    make some more money 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    laidher 
 Elijah451:  make money how? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    dude are you ignorant? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    BY RACING 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Want to race/ 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    ?!?!?! 
 Elijah451:  where at? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Wherever I feel like 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    feel 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Want to race? If I win, I get your car 
 Elijah451:  is that all u do? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I suck dick for money, too 
 Elijah451:  lol, how much? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I have to like them first 
 Elijah451:  bahahaha, most whores dont 
 Elijah451:  they just do it for the $ 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Who said I was a whore? 
 Elijah451:  u did, remember? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    no, i don't sorry 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    i like to fuck with people 
 Elijah451:  u sound like yur full of shit 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    so how do you like me now? 
 Elijah451:  i can't deny, you are very well endowed!
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Race me for your car 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I will show you how full of shit i am! 
 Elijah451:  i'll shoot u for yur car 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    If I win, I get to keep it 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    You're a gahanna punk 
 Elijah451:  lol, if u win, i shoot u, i get yur car 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Right 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    i have an SKS buddy 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I was in the marine corps 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    550 yards blind sights 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    you suck on that 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    the head of a quarter 
 Elijah451:  big whoop, only gotta be able to hit u from like 6ft 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    oh 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    that's difficult
 Elijah451:  yah, just point & shoot 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I forgot, you're a gook 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    you can't shoot for shit 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    bye now 
 Elijah451:  you're a dumb ass, gooks are vietnamese, i'm not! 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I don't care 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    you look like one to me 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Got rice, bitch? 
 Elijah451:  as if yur white! 
 Elijah451:  u look hispanic to me! 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I will strap a white dick on and give you a ride 
 Elijah451:  got a taco? 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    i don't give a fuck. 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I got nut for your eye 
 Elijah451:  drop da chalupa! 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I bottle it up 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I will stick it up your ass and impregnate you. 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    Rgith, whateveryou gahanna gangster 
 Elijah451:  u'd like that wouldn't you, you freak  
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I would, I would 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    I am a freak 
 Elijah451:  i dont live in gahanna you twit! 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    got a problem with it? 
 Elijah451:  no, i like freaks 
 Phiber Optik 2k:    good 
 
 

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Subject: [mw] GravityBass - Tuesday 8/15/00 - Cincinnati, Oh

Lineup for Tuesday 8/15/00

Jeremiah - Subsonik / Ruffdrapht / Distorted Grooves
J.Cru - CBS
K-Frey - Gravitybass Productions / Zeropoint Records

As always, GravityBass is held at Top Cats
2820 Vine St.  Cincinnati, Ohio - 513-281-2005 for Directions
Cover is only $3 & Proper ID Required
18+ to Dance, 21+ to Drink



Next Weeks Lineup:  8/22/00

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Subject: [mw] [Fwd: Re: [happyusa] silk cuts]

i know there are some happy heads somewhere out there...

=p
 -chad

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   Subject: Re: [happyusa] silk cuts
      Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:40:52 +0100
      From: "DNA" <dna@djdna.com>
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> Maybe its just me, but aren't the vinyl sales in the US increasing
tenfold? If they are, then I haven't heard anyone getting excited about
it over here yet.I am not sure what sales are like across the US, but
Hardcore sales in California were mostly coming from SSU, and a hundred
more sales is not going to save anyone's debts.  With most releases
barely selling 500-600 units, the vinyl trade is bottoming out. The US
doesn't have to worry as far as vinyl trade goes..  the Hip Hop scene
will ensure that Vinyl is there to stay, the only question is whether it
can sustain itself purely on homegrown music if the UK gives up the
ghost. > I dunno how many kids ask me per week where to buy HH
vinyl. That's cool to know.. now, all we need to do is get rid of all
the cheesy crappycore, and start making proper fucking "HARDCORE"
again.. destroy all people that call it "Happy Hardcore" or worse
"Happycore" and we'll be well on the way. ;) Let's take a stand and take
our name "Hardcore" back from the Gabba heads.  They listen to Gabba, we
listen to Hardcore.  Steal our name again and we'll piss on your heads
from balcony's above your raves.  heh. > Now it seems the Go Mental
crew, Slipmatt and others are starting to come back. Errrr..  dunno
where you heard Slipmatt was coming back mate!  He will never have
anything to do with Hardcore ever, ever, ever again.He has grown up,
grown out of the sound, and is making a nice dent in other scenes now.
And good luck to him.. Fucking hell, I hope I have moved on by the time
I hit 35 as well. As for Go Mental, I don't see how them coming back is
a good thing at all.Shit like "Hold Me Now" and "Eternal Flame" is
exactly what drives people away from this music.  (And before anyone
holds up Silk Cuts 12 and says "But that's the same innit?" take a
listen to all three records and Silk Cuts 12 is a hell of a lot dirtier
and truer to a Hardcore vibe than either of the Go Mental
offerings..)When Kaos stole UFO's music and put out the "Broken Wings
REMIX" on his own label, without permission from any of the original
artists (after doing the same thing with Forever Autumn) he lost an
unsurmountable amount of support and respect from producers and DJ's
still working in the scene.  As for the "Hooligans" tracks, there is
widespread disgust that Kaos would dare to make money by simply
compiling so many classic old skool tracks. The only people (in my
opinion) making good new Hardcore in the UK is Hixxy, myself, and
Frantic.For the backbone of a scene, that is pretty fucking miserable.I
am not going to go into who has said they are leaving / taking a break /
looking for an excuse to make some money in another scene, but they far
outweigh the people refusing to leave the sinking ship.And it is
certainly a sinking ship here now.  We need a miracle to turn the tide.
=*((And no, I take no pleasure at all in talking like that to a group of
people happy about the way the scene appears to be going.. ) > SSU is
pushing the sound and more and more UK guys are journeying over to the
states to play.> Doesn't this have *some* influence on whats going
on?? The USA is a great place, and all the UK jocks enjoy coming over,
yes...  but look who is coming over in relation to who is making the
music now.For far, far, far too long, people making shit music - or not
making music at all - have been kept in a priveledged position where
they have made their money on the efforts of others.  Without naming
names, there are too many DJ's treated as the pioneers and flag bearers
of the Hardcore scene when they have contributed fuck all to Hardcore
for many years. Some DJ's, again not naming names, happily go out to the
USA, spin their sets, come home, and start working on their House /
Garage / Trance again.  How is their being in the USA helping either the
US or UK scene? I believe, if this scene is to survive, a strong change
of attitudes needs to be made (admittedly, less so in the US than other
places).PLUR hippies should be shot, raves should be 18+ immediately,
people turning up just to take drugs should be turned away at the door,
the whole "Look, I've gone out to dance and I look like a rainbow has
puked on me" thing needs to be toned down (at the very least!) and most
importantly, the music needs to become accessible to people outside of
the scene once again.Personally, I think it needs to be slower, I think
Breakbeats need to be more prominent, I think it needs to lose stupid
fucking cliche vocals and cliche music, it needs more thought and more
attention paid to it.Like I keep saying, there is nothing wrong with
Hard, fast music..  there is a lot wrong with shit, hard, fast music. I
don't think the Hardcore scene will die, but I do think it's going
change itself a hell of a lot over the next 3 or 4 months. Sorry about
the rant.. I thought it was important enough to rant about. =)Anyway
Noah, coming to Nocturnal?  ;) -D

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  Needle-Exchange Program Attracting 'Druggies'
CLEVELAND--A city-sponsored "Be Safe, Be Clean" needle-exchange program is in limbo due to suspicions that "dope-heads" and "druggies" may be using the program to obtain free drug paraphernalia, sources reported Monday. "Our intent was to encourage citizens who regularly use syringes to hypodermically inject substances into their bodies to use clean syringes instead of passing needles back and forth between friends, thus reducing the risk of disease," program spokesman James Dunwoody said. "But instead, our program seems to be attracting junkies and other unsavory criminal elements." Dunwoody said the program will be discontinued if the city's smack fiends do not stop abusing it.




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hey out there all of you.  so i guess we're comin out there to the big furthur hullabaloo.

should i bring sunscreen?  

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as is said every year......yes...bring the sunscreen.

AND...bring one of those super cool campfire sandwich makers.  it's a hinged
device that imprisons two pieces of bread in a steel or cast iron enclosure
with big ol handles that allow you to hold the contraption over a campfire.
(campfires sold seperately, allowed at furthur in a pit or metal container)

of course, you can imprison whatever toppings you wish (ie cheese, etc) in
between said pieces o bread for ultimate toasted sammich goodness.

and you can make sammiches....out there by the campfire.....

i saw this wonderous device at walmart last year for a cool 10 bucks.

    -bill

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> hey out there all of you.  so i guess we're comin out there to the big
furthur hullabaloo.
>
> should i bring sunscreen?
>
> dis=c0!
> www.trustcrew.org
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implant chips i got da hookup y0z.
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That's from the Onion...It's not a real clipping...for the few of you that 
don't know check out the onion at theonion.com

-Eric

In a message dated 8/14/00 8:53:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
shawne@zoomtown.com writes:

<< Needle-Exchange Program Attracting 'Druggies'
 CLEVELAND--A city-sponsored "Be Safe, Be Clean" needle-exchange program is 
in limbo due to suspicions that "dope-heads" and "druggies" may be using the 
program to obtain free drug paraphernalia, sources reported Monday. "Our 
intent was to encourage citizens who regularly use syringes to hypodermically 
inject substances into their bodies to use clean syringes instead of passing 
needles back and forth between friends, thus reducing the risk of disease," 
program spokesman James Dunwoody said. "But instead, our program seems to be 
attracting junkies and other unsavory criminal elements." Dunwoody said the 
program will be discontinued if the city's smack fiends do not stop abusing 
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Does anyone have contact info for Dylan Drazen?

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Subject: Re: [mw] so this is what they teach you in the military these days...

this conversation was truly freaky because...

1) it showed that while you are on-line, they can search through your
    entire hard drive

2) that they intentionally provoke you into saying something that you
     are not.  i was talking about shooting a game of pool.  and this 
     "girl" was talking about shooting me!

3) they actually train people in the military to hate all asians and 
     consider all asians as "gooks", when other asians besides
     vietnamese had nothing to do with that war whatsoever!  for
     instance i was born here after that war & had no idea just
     how bad the americans had abused vietnam until much much
     later.

4) they intentionally keep male minorities unemployed here the 
    whole time in the hopes that they will commit some sort of crime 
    so that they can lock them up and shut them up.   i have been 
    intentionally unemployed here for up to 3 months!   however
    instead of making me sign a sheet saying that i had recieved
    unemployment when i had not had a job, they hooked me up
    with a temp job for exactly one week and let me go for no good
    reason.   the second scam they ran was this:  they say you got
    a job, make you go thru the drug test and the whole nine (i 
    passed my fifth drug test this year this past friday), but don't tell 
    you when to start!   and then they call you and say: "oh, you 
    should have been there at 7am"...first of all, that is obviously 
    complete bullshit, because it against the law to even call people 
    before 8am!

5) the greatest irony is, the cannibis trade actually got started thru
    veterans who had been disabled after Vietnam and weren't able
    to get jobs, so they sold and grew their prescription weed...thus
    G13...and i had already mentioned how MDMA originally was 
    experimented as a "truth serume" during WWII...and later the
    US Army Chemical Center did its own experiment with it...and
    like most drugs they provided the US Government with a great way 
    to profit from the poor and to incarcerate minorities...and all this
    US propaganda that all these foreign nations were responsible
    for all these drug labs is complete bullshit because only a very
    few people know how to synthesize MDMA and they were all
    originally nazis and later from the US Army Chem Lab...in other
    words the foreign labs were US Government built but with cheap
    foreign laborers!!...As if poor mexicans had the education and the
    capital to build illegal drug labs!!...what a farce!!...minorities paying
    for the sins of greedy rich white men!!

6) during my brief stint at my temp job, i learned the greatest 
     american scam of the banking industry....for mortgage home
     loans...all these people were just making the minumum payments
     however, the minimum only covered the interest and did not
     effect the principle...all these people would be paying for the
     rest of their lives!!...ironically the government knows exactly how 
     much you make, so that you will be only be able to afford the
     minimum each month, so that you will have to pay for their sins
     the rest of their life!!...thus slave to the beast!!

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i believe the onion has been known to sneak some "real" news in the paper
every now and again.

chad

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 EMRauch1@aol.com wrote:

> That's from the Onion...It's not a real clipping...for the few of you that 
> don't know check out the onion at theonion.com
> 
> -Eric
> 
> In a message dated 8/14/00 8:53:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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> 
> << Needle-Exchange Program Attracting 'Druggies'
>  CLEVELAND--A city-sponsored "Be Safe, Be Clean" needle-exchange program is 
> in limbo due to suspicions that "dope-heads" and "druggies" may be using the 
> program to obtain free drug paraphernalia, sources reported Monday. "Our 
> intent was to encourage citizens who regularly use syringes to hypodermically 
> inject substances into their bodies to use clean syringes instead of passing 
> needles back and forth between friends, thus reducing the risk of disease," 
> program spokesman James Dunwoody said. "But instead, our program seems to be 
> attracting junkies and other unsavory criminal elements." Dunwoody said the 
> program will be discontinued if the city's smack fiends do not stop abusing 
> it. >>
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Subject: [mw] Re: The Third Secret of Fatima

 the true third secret of fatima...
 
 open your hearts and hear the words of my son jesus
 christ.
 
 know this, that the time of the end draws nigh;
 
 these signs shall warn you - they are your
 salvation.
 
 the anti-christ is among you.
 
 his false prophet proclaims him from a dome in the
 east.
 
 his minions speak to you daily with sweet words and
 promises; they are in your homes.
 
 my son said: 'render unto caesar that which is
 caesar's, but now he says: 'render naught unto caesar,
 for he does the work of satan.
 
 render all unto God thy father in heaven.
 
 the battle is nigh.
 
 prepare his way.  the new heaven and the new earth is
 at hand.
 
 the lord our God is one.
 
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 it is a warning the anti-christ's building of a one
 world government.  but we must turn away from the
 anti-christ that heads this one world government and
 only trust God.
 
 the sweet words and promises in your homes are your
 tv's with their biased propaganda.
 
 the Lord is here and alone. 

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To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, mw-raves@hyperreal.org,
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Subject: [mw] Thanks from PhysixRecords & Upcoming Events

We'd like to thank everyone who came out to make REBIRTH OF THE FLESH
the success that it was.  Everyone repected each other and the venue and 
we REALLY appreciated that!  Gives us hope for our scene.

We also like to thank everyone who helped work the party, from 
Antonio and Vicki of Organized Chaos, to Rhiannon (Sista Jade),
Jason (Scarab), Slater (thanks for the mixer), Log2 for the killer
sound, Ryan Radcliff (for the mixer/turntables), Adam "Pushy" (for
the turntables), Korova (for the headphones), and many many others!

Here is a list of our upcoming events!

September 30th
BEAUTiFUL PEOPLE
Beauty Truly Is Deep Inside

w/ Barbara Tucker performing live, Baby Anne, 
Huggy (uk), Red Commi Bastard & more!

October 7th
CiRCUiTRY DiViNE
(a co-op w the Log2SoundSystem)

w/ Rowland tha Bastard, Pablo Gorgano, James Pennington,
Sombionx, Wilhelm K, NNothing, Blair Brown, & more!

November 25th
Our 5th anniversary
BLAME IT ON THA BOOGIE!

w/ SpaceGirl (live), Geezer, and a super-suprise DJ of epic proportions!
Some may love him... Some may hate him!  

For more info, contact us at:

317 767 4994 (PhysixRecords@aol.com)
317 592 9236 (HouseBabylon@aol.com)


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Subject: [mw] so this is what they teach you in the military these days...


----- Original Message -----
From: Professional Idiot <wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com>
To: <Holyspirit069@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [mw] so this is what they teach you in the military these
days...


 hmmmm.....i don't know where to begin
 i suppose blow by blow is the way to go.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: <Holyspirit069@aol.com>

> this conversation was truly freaky because...
 >
 > 1) it showed that while you are on-line, they can search through your
 >     entire hard drive
 they?  no THEY cant.  unless you were dumb enough to let "the man" bind
file
 and print sharing for microsoft networks to you dialup adapter and tcp/ip
 stack.

 oh wait....you use a third party networking protocol designed by a
 mega-corporation.  not only that, but when the wisdom of this choice has
 been questioned, you have praised the virtues of aol, and the friends you
 have on that network.  again, your choice, your fault.

 > 2) that they intentionally provoke you into saying something that you
 >      are not.  i was talking about shooting a game of pool.  and this
 >      "girl" was talking about shooting me!

 you should be an old pro by now at manipulation of others words.  this week
 alone, i have see you do it at least three times.  people object to your
 claims, clearly. then you try to say they are "crackheads."  funny.  i know
 many of the people you have claimed are crackheads.  you know what....they
 aren't.

 > 3) they actually train people in the military to hate all asians and
 >      consider all asians as "gooks", when other asians besides
 >      vietnamese had nothing to do with that war whatsoever!  for
 >      instance i was born here after that war & had no idea just
 >      how bad the americans had abused vietnam until much much
 >      later.
 dude, don't stop there.  you think the vietnamese are the only ones to
 blame?  what about the japanese for wwII?  what about the koreans for the
 korean conflict?  i think you will see ALL asian people are to blame.  in
 fact, not a single war was ever based on the actions of white people.
 err.....wait.  war is caused by people....regardless of race.  in fact,
 white people have caused a lot of them.  does this affect you not having a
 job?  no.

 you do not have a job because you blame everyone else but you for your
 problems.  you care to explain to me all the hard working asian people who
 are sucessful?  you want to tell me that their hard work, as opossed to
your
 whining got them nowhere?  go get a fucking job stevie, you lazy-ass
 bastard.  you whine and whine.  months ago you said the only reason you
 couldn't get a job was because you couldn't get training in software you
 needed to get a job in your major. i sympathized in your plight.  i offered
 to get you whatever software you needed to help you on your way.  i sent
 this message to the public forum, and to you.  you didn't repond.  what
does
 that tell me?  you don't want to have to work.  you want to milk my tax
 money for all it is worth.  you dont want my help, because then you would
 actually, have to work, god forbid. i am sick of working my fingers to the
 bone, paycheck-to-paycheck for you.  freeloader.

 > 4) they intentionally keep male minorities unemployed here the
 >     whole time in the hopes that they will commit some sort of crime
 >     so that they can lock them up and shut them up.   i have been
 >     intentionally unemployed here for up to 3 months!   however
 >     instead of making me sign a sheet saying that i had recieved
 >     unemployment when i had not had a job, they hooked me up
 >     with a temp job for exactly one week and let me go for no good
 >     reason.   the second scam they ran was this:  they say you got
 >     a job, make you go thru the drug test and the whole nine (i
 >     passed my fifth drug test this year this past friday), but don't tell
 >     you when to start!   and then they call you and say: "oh, you
 >     should have been there at 7am"...first of all, that is obviously
 >     complete bullshit, because it against the law to even call people
 >     before 8am!

 what law says you cant be called to actually pull your own weight for once,
 before 8am?
 you are lazy, clearly.

 > 5) the greatest irony is, the cannibis trade actually got started thru
 >     veterans who had been disabled after Vietnam and weren't able
 >     to get jobs, so they sold and grew their prescription weed...thus
 >     G13...and i had already mentioned how MDMA originally was
 >     experimented as a "truth serume" during WWII...and later the
 >     US Army Chemical Center did its own experiment with it...and
 >     like most drugs they provided the US Government with a great way
 >     to profit from the poor and to incarcerate minorities...and all this
 >     US propaganda that all these foreign nations were responsible
 >     for all these drug labs is complete bullshit because only a very
 >     few people know how to synthesize MDMA and they were all
 >     originally nazis and later from the US Army Chem Lab...in other
 >     words the foreign labs were US Government built but with cheap
 >     foreign laborers!!...As if poor mexicans had the education and the
 >     capital to build illegal drug labs!!...what a farce!!...minorities
paying
 >     for the sins of greedy rich white men!!

 aren't these cannibis and MDMA traders crackheads?  by your own definition?
 they should be locked up!!  fuck all these crackheads!  drugs are illeagal.
 we all know it!!!

 > 6) during my brief stint at my temp job, i learned the greatest
 >      american scam of the banking industry....for mortgage home
 >      loans...all these people were just making the minumum payments
 >      however, the minimum only covered the interest and did not
 >      effect the principle...all these people would be paying for the
 >      rest of their lives!!...ironically the government knows exactly how
 >      much you make, so that you will be only be able to afford the
 >      minimum each month, so that you will have to pay for their sins
 >      the rest of their life!!...thus slave to the beast!!

 This is perhaps the best example of crackhead living....if you cant read
the
 fine print, like a true crackhead, then don't sign for a loan!!!

 lol...stevie must have been way cracked out when he signed his loan
 agreements!!!  no wonder he is so bitter!!!

 stevie, you are a joke.  the classic case of someone who feels the world
 owes him a living.

 no one owes you anything, even if you created the rave scene.  in fact, if
 you did create the rave scene you have some explaining to do.

     -bill
     -professional idiot (according to stevie t)





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Subject: [mw] ARCANUM FESTIVAL August 19th Outside St. Louis

Sorry for this last minute info but missing this event is simply
unacceptable...behold the Arcanum:

www.arcanagroup.net

>COMING IN JUST 4 DAYS!!!!!!
>
>
>Arcanum Festival
>
>1st Annual Electronic Dance Music Festival
>
>Black River Amphitheater
>
>Lesterville, Missouri
>
>August 19, 2000
>
>3PM - 8AM
>
>
>18 hours of non-stop celebration under the stars.
>
>Five huge themed dance arenas
>Over 60 DJ's and live acts from around the world
>
>Incredible laser and light show
>
>Fireworks display
>
>And much more!
>
>ALL AGES!!!
>
>Featuring:
>
>
>
>Q-Bert with D-Styles - Invisibl Skratch Piklz
>
>Kevin Saunderson - Detroit USA
>
>Eddie Richards - Dynamix, The End - UK
>
>Bryan Gee - V-Recordings - UK
>
>MC Skibadee - One Nation, Kool FM - UK
>
>Brian B - Toronto
>
>Prince Paul/Dan the Automator - Handsome Boy Modeling School, Tommy Boy
>
>Layo & Bushwaka! - Engine, The End - UK
>
>Ectomorph - Interdimentional Transmissions - Ann Arbor, Michigan
>
>Moda - Trancefusion - San Francisco
>
>Jega - Matador - UK
>
>Delta 9 - Industrial Strength Chicago
>
>Mixmaster Morris - Ninja Tune - UK
>
>Shy FX with MC Foxy - Black Market, Hip Step Massive UK
>
>Jesse Saunders - Just Say Productions Chicago
>
>Pete "shaker" Bones and Boyd Westerman - Red Ant Tour UK
>
>Leon Alexander and Chris Gin - Hope Recordings
>
>Wednesday - Hip Step Massive, WAR recordings
>
>
>
>New Time Complex
>
>SPAWN
>
>WUNJO
>
>Zak C
>
>Luna
>Eclypz
>
>Zach Bass
>
>Space Ace
>
>Spiritual Krack Laboratory
>
>Deceptikon Unit - Mr S, DJ Mea, and Xsentrx
>
>Lauren Flax
>
>Fluxus
>
>Slater Hogan
>
>Hypo
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>Stan Doublin
>
>Foster
>
>Nanos
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>Astrix
>
>Bodaleg
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>Dankskii
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>Rob Lemon
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>Justin King
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>Jim K
>
>Mark Churchill
>
>Needles
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>The Jet Michaels Band
>
>Kestal
>
>Mayhem
>
>Secret Weapon
>
>Open decks hosted by Jen D from 3PM to 6PM
>
>
>
>Special Events/Activities:
>
>Martial arts demonstration, belly dancers, fire breathers, aromatherapy
>
>tent, massage therapists, tantric meditation hosted by Yoga monks,
>
>global awareness booths, mist tent, graffiti wall, art garden with
>sculpture and electronic art,
>
>huge linoleum breakdance arena, tattoo and henna artists, tarot card and
>palm readers,
>
>tribal drum circles, vendor's village, full bar (21 and up), huge chill
>lounge on the beach
>
>appearance by the Sony Playstation 2 Mobile Assault Vehicle, and tons of
>prizes and giveaways!!!
>
>
>
>Free afterhours party in the amphitheater starting Noon on Sunday
>
>  AND MUCH MORE!!!!
>
>
>
>Sound by 8th Day and Spectra Audio
>
>Lighting by Light Fantastik and Eyegasm
>
>Lasers by PAWN (five different lasers including two 30 watt full spectrum
>lasers)
>
>  Fireworks display sponsored by Molly Brown
>
>Live Video Mixing by Visual del Arte
>
>
>
>***TONS OF PRIZES AND GIVEAWAYS ALL NIGHT LONG INCLUDING A PARTY BAG FOR
>THE FIRST 2000 ATTENDEES FULL OF CD'S, T-SHIRTS, STICKERS, AND COUPONS.
>PLUS A LIMITED NUMBER OF THE NEW DANCE CULTURE BOOK "SEARCHING FOR THE
>PERFECT BEAT, " CONTAINING EIGHT YEARS OF FLYER ART FROM THE UNDERGROUND
>DANCE SCENE IN THE US WILL BE GIVEN OUT.****
>
>
>
>Tickets on sale now.
>
>Tickets available through all Metrotix locations.
>
>www.metrotix.com
>
>Order by phone - 1-800-293-5949
>
>
>
>Pre-sale tickets $35 @ Metrotix.com
>
>Tickets will be available at the door for $40
>
>Buy your tickets early to avoid long lines and save money!
>
>  All ages welcome!!!
>
>
>
>
>
>Directions
>From the west
>
>Follow Interstate 70/40 West to Hwy 63 South.  Take Hwy 63 to Hwy 8.  Take
>Hwy 8 to Business 67.  Go north on Bus 67 (left) and follow to Hwy 67
>South.  Take Hwy 67 South to Hwy W (approximately 38 miles).  Turn right on
>Highway W.  Go through Doe Run, MO to Highway V.  Turn left on Hwy v to
>Pilot Knob.  At Pilot Knob take Highway 21 South (left) to Lesterville.
>Turn left at Lenny's convenience store onto Peola Road. Watch for the
>Bearcat signs and follow along the river for 3 miles to Bearcat Campground
>and the Black River Amphitheater. Call 888-356-2844 for more information,
>map & brochure.
>
>  From the east and north
>
>Directions: From St. Louis, take I-55 south to Highway 67. Then Hwy 67
>South to Highway W (approximately 38 miles). Turn right on Highway W. Go
>through Doe Run, MO to Highway V. Turn left on Hwy V to Pilot Knob. At
>Pilot Knob take Highway 21 South (left) to Lesterville. Turn left at
>Lenny's convenience store onto Peola Road. Watch for the Bearcat signs and
>follow along the river for 3 miles to Bearcat Campground and the Black
>River Amphitheater Call 888-356-2844 for more information, map & brochure.
>
>  From the south
>
>Take Hwy 67 North to Hwy W.  Turn left on Hwy W.  Go. Go through Doe Run,
>MO to Highway V. Turn left on Hwy V to Pilot Knob. At Pilot Knob take
>Highway 21 South (left) to Lesterville. Turn left at Lenny's convenience
>store onto Peola Road. Watch for the Bearcat signs and follow along the
>river for 3 miles to Bearcat Campground and the Black River Amphitheater.
>Call 888-356-2844 for more information, map & brochure.
>
>
>
>www.mapquest.com
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>
>
>Hotels
>(all 20 min from venue)
>
>Drury Inn  573.756.8951
>
>Super 8    573.756.0344
>
>Best Western  573.756.8031
>
>
>
>For bus trip information or to organize a bus trip in your area...
>
>  If you are interested in vending at this event...
>
>   If you would like to help promote in you area...
>
>     Please call our industry line @ 314.995.7097
>
>
>
>All camping, floating, canoeing information...
>
>     www.bearcatgetaway.com   1-888-356-2844
>
>Reserve your campsite early! Space is limited.
>
>
>
>For all other inquiries...
>
>      Info@arcanagroup.net
>
>
>
>24 hour information line...
>
>     314.995.9533
>
>
>
>Prepare yourself for an unforgettable journey into the future of musical
>celebration.
>
>www.arcanagroup.net
>




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In a message dated 8/15/00 2:34:40 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
ketamine666@alliedsubstructure.com writes:

<< Does anyone have contact info for Dylan Drazen?
  >>

www.dylandrazen.com

he ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Subject: Re: [mw] furthur

just for the record if anyone forgets sunscreen just come find me...im 
allergic to the sun so i always have some with me :-)

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: "Professional Idiot" <wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com>
>To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: [mw] furthur
>Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 01:57:42 -0700
>
>as is said every year......yes...bring the sunscreen.
>
>AND...bring one of those super cool campfire sandwich makers.  it's a 
>hinged
>device that imprisons two pieces of bread in a steel or cast iron enclosure
>with big ol handles that allow you to hold the contraption over a campfire.
>(campfires sold seperately, allowed at furthur in a pit or metal container)
>
>of course, you can imprison whatever toppings you wish (ie cheese, etc) in
>between said pieces o bread for ultimate toasted sammich goodness.
>
>and you can make sammiches....out there by the campfire.....
>
>i saw this wonderous device at walmart last year for a cool 10 bucks.
>
>     -bill
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Psyko Slinky bong <dis_c0@disinfo.net>
>To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 11:16 PM
>Subject: [mw] furthur
>
>
> > hey out there all of you.  so i guess we're comin out there to the big
>furthur hullabaloo.
> >
> > should i bring sunscreen?
> >
> > dis=c0!
> > www.trustcrew.org
> >
> > PS. if you guys still wanna give stevie one o those puppies with the
>implant chips i got da hookup y0z.
> >
> >
> > _____________________________________________________________
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email me in private...

lighting question.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nathan" <nhgarlan@artsci.wustl.edu>

> www.arcanagroup.net
> >COMING IN JUST 4 DAYS!!!!!!

> >Arcanum Festival
> >1st Annual Electronic Dance Music Festival
> >Black River Amphitheater
> >Lesterville, Missouri
> >August 19, 2000

> >Featuring:

> >Kevin Saunderson - Detroit USA
> >


Um isn't kevin saunderson supposed to be playing at Future Fest that night
in Atlanta? What gives? Where is he actually playing?

Peace
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:47:38 -0400, Devin Walkley wrote:

>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "nathan" <nhgarlan@artsci.wustl.edu>
>
>> www.arcanagroup.net
>> >COMING IN JUST 4 DAYS!!!!!!
>
>> >Arcanum Festival
>> >1st Annual Electronic Dance Music Festival
>> >Black River Amphitheater
>> >Lesterville, Missouri
>> >August 19, 2000
>
>> >Featuring:
>
>> >Kevin Saunderson - Detroit USA
>
>Um isn't kevin saunderson supposed to be playing at Future Fest that night
>in Atlanta? What gives? Where is he actually playing?



I can't speak for the promoters in Atlanta,
but the promoters of Arcanum seem to
have their shit together.  They have been
nothing but professional with me.

Also, DJs have been known to play
2 cities in one night.  Arcanum is
a 12 hour event.  It is possible that
he is flying between them and playing
at each ???

	- Joe


_________________________
Joe Carroll - Madison, WI
Dynamic Groove Entertainment
events@dynamicgroove.com
www.dynamicgroove.com
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Subject: [mw] Roy Davis Jr.

Well......here is my weekly request :)

A friend is looking for booking info for Roy Davis Jr.
 Anyone out there have his booking info.

Thanks in advance.

PS - Someone needs to make a comprehensive site
dedicated to D.J.'s and how to contact them, that
would be real cool. :)

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hey, i like this idea... and it doesn't sound all that hard to do either.

anyone wanna write up some sepcifications on what you'd want it all to store
or how you think it would work?

the biggest deal w/ these sort of things is keeping the information current,
and making sure only the people that *should* be making updates are making
updates.

i'd like to hear ideas,
-t

ps - if stevie would stop developing new conspiracy theories, the faq would
be done by now.  they'll be holes in it that i'll need some of you that have
been around for a long time to help me fill in.  oh , a trip down memory
lane, how pleasant.



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PS - Someone needs to make a comprehensive site
dedicated to D.J.'s and how to contact them, that
would be real cool. :)

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wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com writes:

<< people object to your claims, clearly. then you try to say they 
   are "crackheads."  funny.  i know many of the people you have 
   claimed are crackheads.  you know what....they aren't.>>

as you have already stated, "crackhead" is a figure of speech for
severe drug user.  strange how those i have dubbed this have yet
to refute this claim.
 
<<  dude, don't stop there.  you think the vietnamese are the only ones to
  blame?  what about the japanese for wwII?  what about the koreans for the
  korean conflict?  i think you will see ALL asian people are to blame.  in
  fact, not a single war was ever based on the actions of white people.
  err.....wait.  war is caused by people....regardless of race.  in fact,
  white people have caused a lot of them.  does this affect you not having a
  job?  no.>>

excuse me?  america tried to force their system on to vietnam through
an outlandish war, that just about every vietnam soldier will tell you was 
the mistake of america!!...it was germany that started wwII!...japan had
a nuclear bomb dropped on them!!...you are completely off base!!...
speaking of which the US still have a military base in japan, just to spite
them!!...and that's why all the japanese were protesting when clinton got
together for the G8 summit there!...china has never gotten in a war,
however it was the CIA  through the Yale in China program that trained 
mao tse dong the fine art of communism to kill their leaders and turn it
into an industrial country so that america can set up their sweat shops
there!

as for my intentional unemployment...lets see...i have a double degree 
from a prestigious private university and 6 years experience in my career
field, yet i still can't get a job?!...yeah right!!...it is so obvious that i 
have
been intentionally opressed here it's not funny!!...all because i dropped
the truth bomb that all the vets, all the minorities, all the abused workers,
and all of the meek have been praying for!

<< because then you would actually, have to work, god forbid. i am sick 
of working my fingers to the  bone, paycheck-to-paycheck for you.  
freeloader.?>>

you are so ignorant!...do you think people like me, minorities, single moms, 
disabled vets do not want to work and not be able to leave the house or 
food?!...you are insane!!
 
<<...first of all, that is obviously
  >     complete bullshit, because it against the law to even call people
  >     before 8am!
 
  what law says you cant be called to actually pull your own weight for once,
  before 8am?
  you are lazy, clearly.>>

quit manipulating my words.  i clearly stated that it is against the law
for businesses to call people before 8am!
 
<<no one owes you anything, even if you created the rave scene.  in fact, if
  you did create the rave scene you have some explaining to do.
 
      -bill
      -professional idiot (according to stevie t) >>

yeah, i started the scene out of the love for the music!  it was
obviously raped from me by the shady greedsters for their selfish
profit!!...just as they had raped other countries so often in the
past for their selfish and greedy means!!

i can not disagree with you, you are indeed a professional idiot!!

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----- Original Message -----
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To: "Devin Walkley" <liquidgroove@mindspring.com>; "mwraves"
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> On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:47:38 -0400, Devin Walkley wrote:
>
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "nathan" <nhgarlan@artsci.wustl.edu>
> >
> >> www.arcanagroup.net
> >> >COMING IN JUST 4 DAYS!!!!!!
> >
> >> >Arcanum Festival
> >> >1st Annual Electronic Dance Music Festival
> >> >Black River Amphitheater
> >> >Lesterville, Missouri
> >> >August 19, 2000
> >
> >> >Featuring:
> >
> >> >Kevin Saunderson - Detroit USA
> >
> >Um isn't kevin saunderson supposed to be playing at Future Fest that
night
> >in Atlanta? What gives? Where is he actually playing?
>
>
>
> I can't speak for the promoters in Atlanta,
> but the promoters of Arcanum seem to
> have their shit together.  They have been
> nothing but professional with me.
>
> Also, DJs have been known to play
> 2 cities in one night.  Arcanum is
> a 12 hour event.  It is possible that
> he is flying between them and playing
> at each ???
>
> - Joe
>


Joe, thank you for the information.

Peace
LG



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he is triple booked that night. he is supposed to be playing in atlanta,
indianapolis, and missouri. grrrrrrrrrrr.

> 
> > >Kevin Saunderson - Detroit USA
> > >
> 
> 
> Um isn't kevin saunderson supposed to be playing at Future Fest that night
> in Atlanta? What gives? Where is he actually playing?
> 
> Peace
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 Elijah451:  gooks are vietnamese, i'm not! 
 
No, try again. History lesson: (something which you dearly need)

 Gook: Word that came about during the Korean conflict to describe Koreans.
During liberation of various towns, Koreans chanted over and over again
"Mi-Gook!" which in Korean means "America!". The soldiers thought they were
using broken English and saying "Me, Gook!", hence the soldiers referred to
Koreans as "Gooks". It wasn't ever really meant to be an insult, just a
matter-of-fact misinterpretation of a language from a country who until that
time was completely unknown due to an intentional isolation on the part of
the Korean govt.

And where did I learn this? In the military, where I also learned Korean in
1 year and more about the culture than any big-name university would ever
offer in a lifetime of teaching. And, obviously, your 2 degrees from
whatever university has once again failed you as it fails most of america
where the university is more interested in selling huge 4-color books of
junk graphics and passing them off as "Calculus" books and collecting
"recreation" fees.


Rob

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hyeah, tell this to all the vietnamese and all the vietnam vets 
that used that term quite proficiently as a derogatory word for 
the vietnamese soldiers during the vietnam war!!

hyeah, the koreans were calling themselves gooks! whatever!

more white lies to cover up the truth!!

oh well, after all this country was built upon layers and layers of
white lies, what did you expect!!

BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< 
  Elijah451:  gooks are vietnamese, i'm not! 
  
 No, try again. History lesson: (something which you dearly need)
 
  Gook: Word that came about during the Korean conflict to describe Koreans.
 During liberation of various towns, Koreans chanted over and over again
 "Mi-Gook!" which in Korean means "America!". The soldiers thought they were
 using broken English and saying "Me, Gook!", hence the soldiers referred to
 Koreans as "Gooks". >>

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There was some overlap of Korean vets that were reassigned to duty in
Vietnam, thats how the phrase came to describe the Vietnamese. Ask an older
Korean person and they will tell you that this is EXACTLY what happened. 

I guess all this is also left out of university textbooks too.. I think you
should go to the university and get your money back.

BTW, guess who all my language instructors were in the military? Korean
civilians. Some with Phds in history and linguistics, who knew more about
the origins of the world languages than anyone on this list.

Oh, btw, the most famous alumnus of the military program I was in was Lee
Harvey Oswald. Many friends of mine who graduated went on to glorious
careers in the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the United Nations. Are you afraid yet,
stevie?

I guess the real problem I have with you is that you know such a small part
of the real truth that its really pathetic. When you talk, its like
listening to a small child try to explain why the sky is blue or how
chocolate milk is made. Entertaining, but never to be believed.

I would like to meet you, honestly, and fill in the blanks for you. I don't
know if it would help, but at least I would know I tried and it seems like
you need all the help you can get. With some redirection of your energies I
think you could actually be useful to yourself and society as a whole.

So, anyway, there it is, a *whitey* is reaching out to you. No attacks, just
pure information and knowledge sharing. 

But, I doubt you will do it.. You prolly think I have been sent to abduct
and brainwash you.

I have a few incidences under my belt that do not *fit* with what ppl
believe the govt does, so I have been subject to some ridicule of my own.
But, I also don't spend a whole lot of time trying to buffer my position
either, because I *know* what happened, and I do not particularly care what
they think. It's futile, and if they don't believe it with all the evidence
I have offered them, they never will. Police records, official documents,
witnesses, etc just mean nothing to the ppl who truly do not *want* to
believe and would rather sit in their shell and tell themselves "Well, you
must have done something to provoke this incident" because they do not ever
want to believe that they themselves through no doing of their own could
come under scrutiny by powers beyond their scope. 

But, as I said, I also do not spend all my waking hours defending the issue.
This is the difference between mental stability and madness.

Rob


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hyeah, tell this to all the vietnamese and all the vietnam vets 
that used that term quite proficiently as a derogatory word for 
the vietnamese soldiers during the vietnam war!!

hyeah, the koreans were calling themselves gooks! whatever!

more white lies to cover up the truth!!

oh well, after all this country was built upon layers and layers of
white lies, what did you expect!!

BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< 
  Elijah451:  gooks are vietnamese, i'm not! 
  
 No, try again. History lesson: (something which you dearly need)
 
  Gook: Word that came about during the Korean conflict to describe Koreans.
 During liberation of various towns, Koreans chanted over and over again
 "Mi-Gook!" which in Korean means "America!". The soldiers thought they were
 using broken English and saying "Me, Gook!", hence the soldiers referred to
 Koreans as "Gooks". >>

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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: [SER] ARCANUM FESTIVAL August 19th Outside St. Louis

Arcanum fest is a 3 day so maybe he is spinning on
friday night or some shit like that. Who knows
anymore. All these festivals going on...you never know
who actually spins at those parties and who doesn't.
You can't be at 3-4 stages at the same time to make
sure that all dj's on the bill actually get to spin.

Misha

--- lauryn g <teknoho@konfused.net> wrote:
> he is triple booked that night. he is supposed to be
> playing in atlanta,
> indianapolis, and missouri. grrrrrrrrrrr.
> 
> > 
> > > >Kevin Saunderson - Detroit USA
> > > >
>

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Subject: [mw] Fwd: [313] Detroit Grand Pubahs

>From: Jon Layne <jonlayne@intuit-solar.com>
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>Subject: [313] Detroit Grand Pubahs
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>Hello,
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>Please vote for "Sandwiches" by the Detroit Grand Pubahs on TRL.
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>Represent the "D"
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Ok... that was odd.  I just finish hooking up my new badass speakers in my
cube (my cow-workers just look at me funny), fire up gnapster and grab
that exact song, cue it up on xmms, and boom, this post.  I love mw. 

-MikeY!

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, c e wrote:

> >Please vote for "Sandwiches" by the Detroit Grand Pubahs on TRL.
> >
> >
> >http://www.mtv.com/sendme.tin?page=/mtv/tubescan/trl
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> >Represent the "D"
> >
> >Thanks,
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> >The Detroit Grand Pubahs
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Subject: Re: [mw] so this is what they teach you in the military these day s...

BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< Oh, btw, the most famous alumnus of the military program I was in was Lee
 Harvey Oswald. Many friends of mine who graduated went on to glorious
 careers in the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the United Nations. Are you afraid yet,
 stevie?>>

why am i not surprised!...oh yeah, care to explain how lee harvey
oswald's bullet changed directions three times while passing through
JFK's body?...talk about obvious government conspiracy and scape
goat!...how convenient how he was killed before he could go to trial
to tell the nation the truth about who really set it up...oh wait, you
already mentioned it...how your other graduates went on to glorious
careers in the FBI, CIA, and NSA...looks like you slipped a bit there!
 
<< I guess the real problem I have with you is that you know such a 
small part of the real truth that its really pathetic. When you talk, its like
 listening to a small child try to explain why the sky is blue or how
 chocolate milk is made. Entertaining, but never to be believed.>>

yes, that is the superiority complex of your kind isn't it?...when confronted
with the truth...avoid the pertinent issues, instead proceed to tear down 
the individual's career and reputation, even if you have to make up lies!...
it's the american way!!
 
 <>

lets see, perhaps it was the pink eye or perhaps it was the obvious term
of unemployment you put me through...or the obvious blasphemous attacks 
of my reputation on this list by you and your cronies...perhaps its because 
i have already read about past victims of those that crossed the CIA...they 
were dosed, tossed out windows, ran off cliffs, submitted to mental wards, 
etc...i trust you about as far as i can throw you!
 

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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: [SER] ARCANUM FESTIVAL August 19th Outside St. Louis

Actually Arcanum is only 18 hours.  It starts at 3 in the afternoon on
Saturday and goes till noon on Sunday.  Now there IS an afterparty all day
and into the night on Sunday and you can come and start camping on Friday
night.  But the actual festival is only saturday to sunday.  Kevin
Saunderson is most definitely confirmed and will be there and he is spinning
saturday night sometime (sunday morning).

www.arcanagroup.net


> Arcanum fest is a 3 day so maybe he is spinning on
> friday night or some shit like that. Who knows
> anymore. All these festivals going on...you never know
> who actually spins at those parties and who doesn't.
> You can't be at 3-4 stages at the same time to make
> sure that all dj's on the bill actually get to spin.
>
> Misha
>
> --- lauryn g <teknoho@konfused.net> wrote:
> > he is triple booked that night. he is supposed to be
> > playing in atlanta,
> > indianapolis, and missouri. grrrrrrrrrrr.
> >
> > >
> > > > >Kevin Saunderson - Detroit USA
> > > > >
> >
>
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> lets see, perhaps it was the pink eye or perhaps it
> was the obvious term
> of unemployment you put me through...or the obvious
> blasphemous attacks 
> of my reputation on this list by you and your
> cronies...perhaps its because 
> i have already read about past victims of those that
> crossed the CIA...they 
> were dosed, tossed out windows, ran off cliffs,
> submitted to mental wards, 
> etc...i trust you about as far as i can throw you!

uh oh rob, now it's not just a faceless government...
it's you personally who gave stevie pinkeye. shame
shame!



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Subject: RE: [mw] so this is what they teach you in the military these day
	 s...

Oh I know! I never new I had so much power! ;)

My gosh, I offer to meet this guy and compare stories and you would think he
would be somewhat interested, but NO! he decides I gave him pinkeye..

I have had pinkeye a number of times and I never thought to blame it on the
govt. Maybe I should have.

Too bad, Stevie, you wont take me up on my offer. Regardless of what you
might think, you could benefit a great deal from it.

Rob


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> lets see, perhaps it was the pink eye or perhaps it
> was the obvious term
> of unemployment you put me through...or the obvious
> blasphemous attacks 
> of my reputation on this list by you and your
> cronies...perhaps its because 
> i have already read about past victims of those that
> crossed the CIA...they 
> were dosed, tossed out windows, ran off cliffs,
> submitted to mental wards, 
> etc...i trust you about as far as i can throw you!

uh oh rob, now it's not just a faceless government...
it's you personally who gave stevie pinkeye. shame
shame!



=====
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the power itself in man."
"What is bad? All that proceeds from weakness."
                              - Friedrich Nietzsche

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Subject: Re: [mw] I, ROBOT

anyone else going to this??????????????? =)

NETMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
lauryn.

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i think im gonna fuckin puke !!!

-THE bitch iySyS-


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rtieman@yahoo.com writes:

<< uh oh rob, now it's not just a faceless government...
 it's you personally who gave stevie pinkeye. shame
 shame! >>

hyeah, what's even more moronic is that he admitted going to
the same military school that Lee Harvey Oswald did along with
members of the FBI, the CIA, & the NSA...thus proving that the
JFK Assasination was a government conspiracy!

and he left his full real name!!...so they will know exactly who to
contact now!!...

wow, what a rocket scientist!!...all my friends who i fwd'ed all the
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	 s...

thank you stevie!

hopefully because of your good deeds, no one will ever have to get pink eye
or have car trouble because of the government conspiracies again!

:)

-t

ps - ok, just how the hell do you document this?

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and he left his full real name!!...so they will know exactly who to
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Well, there are various forums for getting in touch with DJ's.  It's just a 
matter of these DJ's wanting to be touched (somehow that didn't come out 
right).  If they don't have a CD or website or management co., it's tough to 
do.  I run a website that acts as a bit of a DJ directory, but they have to 
come to me and sign up.  There are a few other such sites (DJ Pages by DMC 
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On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:10:40PM -0500, bitch on wheels wrote:
> http://home.earthlink.net/~bunnylust6/fluffy.html

Hey, I'm subbed to that mailing list!  Or at least
neo@neoandmorpheus.com is...  :P

Word to spam.

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I think you missed the unsaid sarcasam, shaweetheart...
Loads of plurry love acha, ;p

Miztie


On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 15:49:00 EDT, - iySyS - wrote:

>  i think im gonna fuckin puke !!!
>  
>  -THE bitch iySyS-
>  
>  
>  >From: bitch on wheels <doris@konfused.net>
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And just how PLURry are you?...    

Gawd, I think I feel a dry heave coming on....    how plurry...  

*notes 'plur' to candy kids seems to be like the word 'smurf' to the Smurfs*

 - Soniq

<< >From: bitch on wheels <doris@konfused.net>
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honestly i didnt even look at the page really, just scanned over it, to many 
bright colors make me a lil sick to the ol stomach :-)

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: MiZtie <x_Misty_x@excite.com>
>To: - iySyS - <baronessk@hotmail.com>, doris@konfused.net, 
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	 s...

Yes, well, ppl who speak the truth tend to use their full name. I have
nothing to fear. I have no problems with ppl knowing my past. I revel in and
am proud of the fact that I actually survived this long! 

You see, Stevie, some ppl accept and are even proud of their past, whereas,
yourself, well....

And, uh, how does me attending the same school as Oswald prove the JFK
conspiracy?!?! I am all-powerful.

BTW, you can forward it to anyone you like. Most of my life has been lived
with a "Come and get me" attitude rather than the meek and sad version of
life called "Gosh, I hope they don't come and get me!!". Besides, I like the
publicity especially due to the fact that I have been thinking of writing a
book.

So, whoever is interested, cmon over! We can sit on my leather couch, watch
my DVD player, listen to tunes and throw down a couple of beers..

BTW, you still don't know what military school I went to, now do you? ;) If
you really knew as much as you say you do about Oswald, you would know that
the school is not as evil as you think. But, obviously, your historic
research is no more than pop-culture trash with no basis in reality
whatsoever.

Im telling you you need to meet up with me so I can reset you on all the
things you thought you knew. But, I don't think you could tolerate the real
truth. I think a couple of hours in a coffee shop would clear all this up. I
think I am the first person to not approach you with any hostility, I truly
want to clear all this up for you in a "take-it-or-leave-it" matter-of -fact
type of way with no strings attached. Quit being an agoraphobic and meet the
world instead of hiding behind numerous aol accounts. You could learn
something.


Rob




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rtieman@yahoo.com writes:

<< uh oh rob, now it's not just a faceless government...
 it's you personally who gave stevie pinkeye. shame
 shame! >>

hyeah, what's even more moronic is that he admitted going to
the same military school that Lee Harvey Oswald did along with
members of the FBI, the CIA, & the NSA...thus proving that the
JFK Assasination was a government conspiracy!

and he left his full real name!!...so they will know exactly who to
contact now!!...

wow, what a rocket scientist!!...all my friends who i fwd'ed all the
pertinant information to appreciate your stellar step of stupidity!!

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 BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< You see, Stevie, some ppl accept and are even proud of their past, whereas,
 yourself, well....>>

i come from a royal blood line (which is why my mother's maiden
last name is 'King'), i've attended a prestgious prep school and university, 
was a member of the largest fraternity there (ironically our logo was skull 
& bones), helped start the underground scene in Ohio, published my
own magazine (which i wrote, collected articles from writers as faw west
as cali, as far east as nyc, as far north as toronto, & as far south as 
florida, 
layed out, edited, printed, and distributed it), i've promoted for over twenty
rave production crews throughout my career often working for free, my 
influence throughout the midwest scene can still be seen at every party
today, in the lifestyle, the fashion, the figures of speech, and dance 
style...i have covertly saved this world twice (without working for the CIA),
through Operation Oracle and Operation Revelation...

the only place i do not get respect is on this list because it controled by
power freaking white supremist poser agents like yourself!!...who do nothing
for the scene besides being the source of the illegal drugs...and putting
true heads like myself that were involved in the scene down in the hopes
of trying to control the underground...well, obviously since this scene was
created by the meek for the meek...this will never happen no matter how
much disinformation you all want to spread...the true kids will always know
what's up!!...and to avoid the likes of you like the plague that you are!!
 
<< So, whoever is interested, cmon over! We can sit on my leather couch, 
watch my DVD player, listen to tunes and throw down a couple of beers..>>

you have gone from sounding oppresive to now sounding flat out queer!
 
 <<BTW, you still don't know what military school I went to, now do you? 
;) If  you really knew as much as you say you do about Oswald, you would 
know that the school is not as evil as you think. But, obviously, your 
historic
 research is no more than pop-culture trash with no basis in reality
 whatsoever.>>

you don't get it do you?!...the very fact that you went to a military school
w/ the likes of oswald, the fbi, the cia, & the nsa...makes you the enemy
of the underground!!...this scene was created out of love for the music and
it is heads like you that wish to control it, when the essence of the scene
is freedom itself!!...this is why the underground avoids you like a plague!!
 
 <<Im telling you you need to meet up with me so I can reset you on all the
 things you thought you knew. But, I don't think you could tolerate the real
 truth. I think a couple of hours in a coffee shop would clear all this up. I
 think I am the first person to not approach you with any hostility, I truly
 want to clear all this up for you in a "take-it-or-leave-it" matter-of -fact
 type of way with no strings attached. Quit being an agoraphobic and meet the
 world instead of hiding behind numerous aol accounts. You could learn
 something.>>

you are sounding more queer and your attempt of trying to get
me to sell out is feeble!

uh hello mcfly, the only reason i go under multiple accounts was
because i kept getting booted because you and your cronies took
over and spread all this disinformation about me to get me booted
to control this list!!

as mentioned before, your kind's reputation is very evident not only
with the JFK assasination, but also vietnam, korea, WWII, the list
continues...you are and forever will be the enemy of the underground!!

so take your militant, oppressive, control freaking, disinformation
spreading, white supremist, selfish, greedy ass and 'bugger' off!!!

your kind is not welcome here!!

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<<  i've attended a prestgious prep school and university, 
 was a member of the largest fraternity there >>

Holy oppression, batman!!

<<the only place i do not get respect is on this list>>

So then, how come you don't have a job again?...  

 - Soniq

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Hey Stevie.  I'm not sure if you've heard about these little medical products
called 'Anti-Psychotics'.  You should go to a doctor and see if you can get some
for yourself.  They should help you immensley by getting rid of all of your
paranoid delusions.  Maybe then you'll finally realise its your mental problems
keeping you from holding a job rather than a big government conspiracy.


Holyspirit069@aol.com wrote:

> i have covertly saved this world twice (without working for the CIA),
> through Operation Oracle and Operation Revelation...
>
> the only place i do not get respect is on this list because it controled by
> power freaking white supremist poser agents like yourself!!...who do nothing
> for the scene besides being the source of the illegal drugs...and putting
> true heads like myself that were involved in the scene down in the hopes
> of trying to control the underground...well, obviously since this scene was
> created by the meek for the meek...this will never happen no matter how
> much disinformation you all want to spread...the true kids will always know
> what's up!!...and to avoid the likes of you like the plague that you are!!
>
>  <<BTW, you still don't know what military school I went to, now do you?
> ;) If  you really knew as much as you say you do about Oswald, you would
> know that the school is not as evil as you think. But, obviously, your
> historic
>  research is no more than pop-culture trash with no basis in reality
>  whatsoever.>>
>
> you don't get it do you?!...the very fact that you went to a military school
> w/ the likes of oswald, the fbi, the cia, & the nsa...makes you the enemy
> of the underground!!...this scene was created out of love for the music and
> it is heads like you that wish to control it, when the essence of the scene
> is freedom itself!!...this is why the underground avoids you like a plague!!
>
>  uh hello mcfly, the only reason i go under multiple accounts was
> because i kept getting booted because you and your cronies took
> over and spread all this disinformation about me to get me booted
> to control this list!!
>
> as mentioned before, your kind's reputation is very evident not only
> with the JFK assasination, but also vietnam, korea, WWII, the list
> continues...you are and forever will be the enemy of the underground!!
>
> so take your militant, oppressive, control freaking, disinformation
> spreading, white supremist, selfish, greedy ass and 'bugger' off!!!
>
> your kind is not welcome here!!
>
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OneBadDJ writes:

<< Holy oppression, batman!!
 
 <<the only place i do not get respect is on this list>>
 
 So then, how come you don't have a job again?...   >>

um, due to oppressive white supremist assholes like you!

ironically, the underground was concieved by minorities
who couldn't get regular jobs!!

um yeah, like any real underground dj would ever go by
"one bad dj"...you friggin poser!!...get outta my face!!

btw, you misquoted the lyrics to fingers inc's, "can you
feel it" in your profile...you friggin poser!!

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grant@techgallery.com writes:

<< Hey Stevie.  I'm not sure if you've heard about these little medical 
products
 called 'Anti-Psychotics'.  You should go to a doctor and see if you can get 
some
 for yourself.  They should help you immensley by getting rid of all of your
 paranoid delusions.  Maybe then you'll finally realise its your mental 
problems
 keeping you from holding a job rather than a big government conspiracy. >>

weren't you the one that wanted to control the list so bad by
taking over the list admin position after chad announced he
might be leaving - dead give away you are one of the control
freaks!

the funniest part wuz that along with being related to one of
the evil hatfields, you admitted you had only only gone to a few
parties and quit!!...god damn, it's getting easier to spot the
posers now!!

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murph@mr.net writes:

<< 
     HAHA, Whatever you say, FRATBOY! >>

you dipshit, alot of the early promotors were frat boys,
including brian from underground peace society, where
do you think we got all our party throwing organizational
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 BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< You see, Stevie, some ppl accept and are even proud of their past,
whereas,
 yourself, well....>>

i come from a royal blood line (which is why my mother's maiden
last name is 'King'), i've attended a prestgious prep school and university,

was a member of the largest fraternity there (ironically our logo was skull 
& bones), helped start the underground scene in Ohio, published my
own magazine (which i wrote, collected articles from writers as faw west
as cali, as far east as nyc, as far north as toronto, & as far south as 
florida, 
layed out, edited, printed, and distributed it), i've promoted for over
twenty
rave production crews throughout my career often working for free, my 
influence throughout the midwest scene can still be seen at every party
today, in the lifestyle, the fashion, the figures of speech, and dance 
style...i have covertly saved this world twice (without working for the
CIA),
through Operation Oracle and Operation Revelation...

#Well, hrm.. thats great. I respect all that. That is not really in
question, although this funny thing called "proof" would be nice, but, you
know what? I can take ppl for face value. I see no "hidden agendas".

the only place i do not get respect is on this list because it controled by
power freaking white supremist poser agents like yourself!!...who do nothing
for the scene besides being the source of the illegal drugs...and putting
true heads like myself that were involved in the scene down in the hopes
of trying to control the underground...well, obviously since this scene was
created by the meek for the meek...this will never happen no matter how
much disinformation you all want to spread...the true kids will always know
what's up!!...and to avoid the likes of you like the plague that you are!!

#Hrm, lets see.. I could drum up a lawsuit for slander right about here. I
guess you truly do want more trouble than you can handle. I will send a copy
of this to my lawyer and see what he thinks. This is assured. You have
really went over the line. I have a copy of this letter on the server at
work now to validate my claim btw. 

#FYI, I work for an asian, I am married to an asian woman, I have friends of
every color (some even graduated with me from this supposedly evil school
btw) I speak 3 languages and will soon be working on a fourth, yadda yadda.
But, yet, somehow, I am this poseur (btw, this is the correct spelling) who
is a white supremacist and deals illicit substances? AFAIK, I never put you
down, I just corrected you. You fear me. This is the heart of your problem.
Because I attempt to meet you to find out what you are truly about.
 
<< So, whoever is interested, cmon over! We can sit on my leather couch, 
watch my DVD player, listen to tunes and throw down a couple of beers..>>

you have gone from sounding oppresive to now sounding flat out queer!

#You have gone from ignorant to homophobic. I have some friends who are
openly gay too btw. Something a true supremacist would never do.
 
 <<BTW, you still don't know what military school I went to, now do you? 
;) If  you really knew as much as you say you do about Oswald, you would 
know that the school is not as evil as you think. But, obviously, your 
historic
 research is no more than pop-culture trash with no basis in reality
 whatsoever.>>

you don't get it do you?!...the very fact that you went to a military school
w/ the likes of oswald, the fbi, the cia, & the nsa...makes you the enemy
of the underground!!...this scene was created out of love for the music and
it is heads like you that wish to control it, when the essence of the scene
is freedom itself!!...this is why the underground avoids you like a plague!!

#No, you see, the easiest way to manipulate the machine is from the inside.
Even the most ignorant child soon learns who best to align themselves with.
I am no one's enemy. 
 
 <<Im telling you you need to meet up with me so I can reset you on all the
 things you thought you knew. But, I don't think you could tolerate the real
 truth. I think a couple of hours in a coffee shop would clear all this up.
I
 think I am the first person to not approach you with any hostility, I truly
 want to clear all this up for you in a "take-it-or-leave-it" matter-of
-fact
 type of way with no strings attached. Quit being an agoraphobic and meet
the
 world instead of hiding behind numerous aol accounts. You could learn
 something.>>

you are sounding more queer and your attempt of trying to get
me to sell out is feeble!

uh hello mcfly, the only reason i go under multiple accounts was
because i kept getting booted because you and your cronies took
over and spread all this disinformation about me to get me booted
to control this list!!

#I have done nothing to you.

as mentioned before, your kind's reputation is very evident not only
with the JFK assasination, but also vietnam, korea, WWII, the list
continues...you are and forever will be the enemy of the underground!!

so take your militant, oppressive, control freaking, disinformation
spreading, white supremist, selfish, greedy ass and 'bugger' off!!!

your kind is not welcome here!!

#And who are you to say who is and isn't allowed on this list? I will not
back down this time, I will stand my ground and go toe to toe with you until
you submit. I will make you show us the full glory of your neurosis, after
which you will be exhausted and suffer defeat both mentally and spiritually.
Defeated, you will leave this list like an exorcised demon, back to the
plane from which you came forth, too ashamed to ever utter another word on
this list. Total breakdown is what I am after.

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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< #And who are you to say who is and isn't allowed on this list? I will not
 back down this time, I will stand my ground and go toe to toe with you until
 you submit. I will make you show us the full glory of your neurosis, after
 which you will be exhausted and suffer defeat both mentally and spiritually.
 Defeated, you will leave this list like an exorcised demon, back to the
 plane from which you came forth, too ashamed to ever utter another word on
 this list. Total breakdown is what I am after. >>

oh my lord!...you have a lawyer and you want to sue me!!...
as if you haven't raped me and the rest of the meek enough 
already from all of your oppression and greed!!...can you say 
super sell out!!...atleast your true colors are definitly shining
through now!!

and your only goal in life is to put me down?!...drain me 
mentally and spiritually?!

you are indeed of the whore of babylon!!

all your evil spewage is making me nauseous!!

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I think you have me confused with someone else stevie.

1)  I'm not related to the Hatfields.
2)  I've never said i wanted to take over as list admin
3)  I've been going to parties for a long time and I am still going.  In fact I
help throw parties as well as club nights here in Cincinnati.

Is there a government conspiracy causing you to confuse me with another person
now??


Grant aka Spahn
Subsonik Productions / Gravitybass Resident
Cincinnasti, Oh

Holyspirit069@aol.com wrote:

> weren't you the one that wanted to control the list so bad by
> taking over the list admin position after chad announced he
> might be leaving - dead give away you are one of the control
> freaks!
>
> the funniest part wuz that along with being related to one of
> the evil hatfields, you admitted you had only only gone to a few
> parties and quit!!...god damn, it's getting easier to spot the
> posers now!!
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Subject: Re: [mw] so this is what they teach you in the military these day s...

Holy Spirit,
It seems that you have coined your own word.
"Supremist", lets define that word shall we, the Merriam Webster Online 
Dictionary defines it as, well..... its not fuckin there. Lets just 
assume(Yeah ass out of u and me I know)that the school you attended did not 
teach you all that well. Please learn how to use the spell checker when 
assuming the role of the martyr. Also you dont sound so meek, just 
unintelligent. Your arguments are as articulated as Lego and Lincoln Logs, 
not very.
Good day to you sir,
sincerely,

your oppressor,

Benjamino Mussolini
>

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<<you are sounding more queer and your attempt of
trying to get
me to sell out is feeble!>>

I have a hard time believing arguments of those who
resort to name calling.

<<Your kind is not wanted here!!>>

Boy if that doesn't sound like something a nazi would
say I don't know what would.  Better watch who you're
calling a supremecist.  

Oh one more thing.  I was just wondering what exactly
your double degree is in if it can't get you a job? 
Recreation? Music?  As much as I love music and
believe in the education of it, majoring in it will
get you squat.
--- Benjamino mussolini
<benjaminomussolini@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Holy Spirit,
> It seems that you have coined your own word.
> "Supremist", lets define that word shall we, the
> Merriam Webster Online 
> Dictionary defines it as, well..... its not fuckin
> there. Lets just 
> assume(Yeah ass out of u and me I know)that the
> school you attended did not 
> teach you all that well. Please learn how to use the
> spell checker when 
> assuming the role of the martyr. Also you dont sound
> so meek, just 
> unintelligent. Your arguments are as articulated as
> Lego and Lincoln Logs, 
> not very.
> Good day to you sir,
> sincerely,
> 
> your oppressor,
> 
> Benjamino Mussolini
> >
> 
>
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In a message dated 8/15/00 6:07:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Holyspirit069@aol.com writes:

<< << 
      HAHA, Whatever you say, FRATBOY! >>
 
 you dipshit, alot of the early promotors were frat boys,
 including brian from underground peace society, where
 do you think we got all our party throwing organizational
 skills?! >>

i just wanted to clarify that my fraternity was of the jewish
persuasion...zeta beta tau...a conglomoration of zionist
fraternities...that had opened up its doors to men of all
religions and backgrounds when i had joined...and altho
their logo was also of the skull and bones...they had nothing
to do with the Yale Skull & Bones associated with the 
Brotherhood of Snake that is tied to the Illegal Drug Trade
that the Bush's and quite a few of the CIA were a part of.

Brian of UPS was a brother in an all black fraternity...this
was why you saw so many brothers w/ greek logos running
security at previous UPS parties.

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blah160@yahoo.com writes:

<< Oh one more thing.  I was just wondering what exactly
 your double degree is in if it can't get you a job? 
 Recreation? Music?  As much as I love music and
 believe in the education of it, majoring in it will
 get you squat. >>

Pre-Architecture and Art History with a minor in Theatre
aka starving artists, which so many of the ravers are still,
even today!!...ironically, the Pennsylvania and Kentucky scene 
were also started by artists...ask Joel Deadly Buddha or
JJ Haws.

However, instead of structures of oppression and greed 
I helped build structures of freedom of movement and 
social interaction

and the art history that i documented was the art of these
underground parties.

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Subject: [mw] here we go again...

I thought we agreed that responding to Stevie T. was cause for:

#1 A written reprimand from the list admin. for first offense.

#2 Being unsubbed for at least a limited period of time for subsequent 
offenses.


Atomly and syntx, I am talking to you. Please let me (and everyone else) 
know if this is our "official" policy.

This is also directed to all of you who are wasting my time and making me 
want to unsub MORE than Stevie is (I haven't seen a message form him in 
weeks, just the aftermath). I can filter Stevie but not everyone who decides 
to go back and forth with him.


>
>Holy Spirit,
>It seems that you have coined your own word.
>"Supremist", lets define that word shall we, the Merriam Webster Online
>Dictionary defines it as, well..... its not fuckin there. Lets just
>assume(Yeah ass out of u and me I know)that the school you attended did not
>teach you all that well. Please learn how to use the spell checker when
>assuming the role of the martyr. Also you dont sound so meek, just
>unintelligent. Your arguments are as articulated as Lego and Lincoln Logs,
>not very.
>Good day to you sir,
>sincerely,
>
>your oppressor,
>
>Benjamino Mussolini
>>
>
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Subject: [mw] roy davis, jr.

if i'm not mistaken, undaground therapy is his label, and they have a website.
unfortunately in IE i'm getting a *really* nasty timer error when i try to load it. anyway, here's
the link; if you manage to contact him, you might want to mention their website is FUBAR.

http://www.undaground-therapy.com



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hughblaze@hotmail.com writes:

<< I thought we agreed that responding to Stevie T. was cause for:
 
 #1 A written reprimand from the list admin. for first offense.
 
 #2 Being unsubbed for at least a limited period of time for subsequent 
 offenses. >>

bahahaha, chad and i are chattin right now!

we're laughin at how full of shit you are hugh!!

are you high?!

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||I can filter Stevie but not everyone who decides to go back and forth with him.

 I'm running into the same problem. I can understand the occasional reply considering how well he
sets himself up at times, but when it turns into a running argument it gets old quick.  You gotta
give the guy some credit, he's damn good at baiting people and I'll be the first to admit that
I've fallen for it myself before I decided he was beyond reasoning with. If you think you can
change his mind, ok, I wish you luck - but please take it private?

Again, I admit that I've done it before, so don't take this as a flame. If I do it again feel free
to jump on me with both feet. FWIW, you've got an interesting background, Rob.



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Subject: [mw] Gravitybass tonight

If anyone else is heading to this tonight, feel free to say hi or something,
as I'm flying solo tonight, sulking in my own misery or something like
that...;)  Anyways, I'll have on a scooby-doo tshirt and I've got brown
hair, about shoulder length, and glasses and I'll be wallflower #17 until
other people start dancing and I don't bite unless you ask...

Later,
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Subject: [mw] bitches, man, bitches...

okay, i'm probably going to piss off a lot of folks here BUT i gotta ask =
- =

why do so many girls in the rave scene have beef with each other?  i've b=
een
on the scene for a long time now, and it seems unless two girls are alrea=
dy
friends, they have instant catty vibes at raves and parties.  for instanc=
e, my
girlfriend has been coming to a lot of parties with me recently... she's =
not a
raver and doesn't try to act like she knows everything.  she's really fri=
endly
and has lots of girlfriends otherwise, but when i take her out, it's like=
 all
the "hardcore" scene chicks give her the nastiest looks.  just cause she'=
s not
wearing UFO's or doesn't have any peircings... actually, i'm not sure why=
 -i
can't beleive it's just a fashion thing.  guys can be catty about fashion=
, but
we usually get over it pretty quick.  =


besides, i've known a lot of "scene" girls, and they usually have mad bee=
fs
with each other.  like, "oh my god, she doesn't know ANYTHING about drum =
n'
bass, she dates DJ warp and so she thinks she's blahblahblahblah"
or i often hear, "ha, last year she was like, a Goth and now she thinks s=
he's
some kind of breakdancer?!"  =


it's almost as if the more guy friends a girl has, the more other girls d=
on't
like her.  ....kind of reminds me of my highschool days in the punk scene=
,
where a handful of super-punk-rock girls were worshipped by a legion of
disfunctional guys and screwed regularly by a select group of lead singer=
s and
promoters.  barf!

i'm just venting, but everyone please tell me what you think.  especially=
 the
girls!!!

peace,

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Subject: [mw] RIPE tonight at FM

hey if anyone out there in Columbus is tired of waxing their rhino, shavi=
ng
their yak, bothering their badger, or just plain bored:

RIPE @ FM  it's a hiphop/d'n'b party downtown hosted by the All City Beat=
s
crew.  two floors, open bars, free vegan munchy treats, and lots of reall=
y
tight music.  definately representing the true-school, undergrizznound so=
unds,
and all the party kids who can't get enough and that kid with the plastic=
 nose
ring you keep running into in the bathroom at raves....

me, dj catnap, will be spinning downtempo treats from sources as diverse =
as
king tubby, necro, ninja tune, erykah badu, biz markie, nightmares on wax=
,
etc. from 11pm - on.  i'm that short kid with the fully formed penis grow=
ing
out of my ear, oh, wait, no, that's um, nevermind.  anyway if you're ther=
e
then you'll be there.

80 S 4th St. between State & Broad.  $3, free food, dope choons

peace,

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Subject: [mw] NRR: jim's a funny guy

http://www.thewire.org/jim/nuggets.htm



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Subject: [mw] i like stevie t

okay, so i haven't been on this list long, but so far, stevie's messages =
are
imaginative, gratingly obnoxious, incendiary, and quite obviously the mos=
t
popular item of discussion around here.

cool!  i love long rambling diatribes and the flame wars they start.  whe=
ther
i agree with you or not stevie, keep pissing people off.  keeps 'em on th=
eir
toes.

peace,

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Somehow, I think this applies to the steviet-argument-o-rama-of-the-day.

I say when the meek inherit the Earth
We wait like -- a day
Then kick their butts and take it back from them
Because, what are they gonna do?

Tom

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|| ....kind of reminds me of my highschool days

 and how.. In fact, I don't remember highschool being as bad as what I've seen and heard lately.
Granted, that's been a while.. I don't think it's a function of gender, though maybe the same
symptoms (ie. bad attitude) are expressed differently? People are fucked up all around, myself
included; but I do try my best to be nice to people. Especially ones that seem to hate me..
(*smooooooch*)  I don't let myself hold grudges. There's a philosophy that people who make your
life hell are the ones who really love you, that they are the souls who deserve your attention;
the idea is that they cause you to grow the most. Maybe it's B.S. but it's something nice to cling
to when someone's trying to make you feel bad.

 If that doesn't work for you, try this:

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>i'm just venting, but everyone please tell me what you think.  especially the
>girls!!!


I fucking hate girls.  I have like two female friends and one of those I've
never even met IRL.

I think that we just know that we suck, therefore it's easier for us to
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remember this?

http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/pb-cle/archives/list/html/may99/msg02171.html

*snicker*

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amy@pimpdaddywelfare.com writes:

<< remember this?
 
 http://www.hyperreal.org/raves/pb-cle/archives/list/html/may99/msg02171.html
 
 *snicker*>>

yah, i was pretty opinionated back then also!

but later i felt guilty about dissing club owners, so i started 
promoting for red zone for free on the net...

it's kinda sad cuz red zone is no longer, i helped promo for
their last event there...heaven

chris finally gave in to all the negative pressure the city was
putting upon it & shut it down...and have concentrated his 
efforts on his newer smaller project...fabric

too bad i'm too broke to see what it's like.

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fergcore@earthlink.net writes:

<< I fucking hate girls.  I have like two female friends and one of those I've
 never even met IRL.
 
 I think that we just know that we suck, therefore it's easier for us to
 automatically hate each other. >>

did anybody catch hillary clinton's speech last night?

probably one of the best speeches i've ever heard from a
female...intelligent...inspiring...thought provoking...there are
some very headstrong women out there standing up for 
their rights getting their voices heard, fighting for what 
they believe in...

i said it before...and i will say it again...the meek shall inherit
the earth...it may sound as if i am the minority on this list,
but when i go out...i know that i am far from the only one
that has been oppressed...but some beautiful creations have
come forth from oppression...look at the underground scene...
i can't think of a single place where more beautiful people
gather peacefully...they actually want to be there, they are
actually enjoying themselves, they are actually finally free
to move the way they want to move, to say what they want 
to say, and interact with whom they want to interract with

they have tried to pollute our scene with their greed and 
their means of control, because this was the way of the past

but this is our place of salvation to escape that

and there is nothing they can do to change that, because deep
inside they realize this was the ideals this country was founded
upon: freedom, the right to gather peacefully, and the pursuit
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that's not a bad idea...

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chad@konfused.net writes:

<< that's not a bad idea... >>

LoL, shuddup chad, you goober!!

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Subject: Re: [mw] i like stevie t

fine, stevie gets special treatment.

let me know if you ever think it's a good idea, though.

chad

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Subject: [mw] vrr - coven

where do i begin?

a friend of mine found it on the internet.
strong adult language... nice touch.

who did the soundtrack?

needles to say, i'm short on words right now.

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i hear de la soul is coming out with a new album(s?)

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From mw-raves-return-5819-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 16 03:28:13 2000
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On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Fergus wrote:

> >i'm just venting, but everyone please tell me what you think.  especially the
> >girls!!!
> 
> 
> I fucking hate girls.  I have like two female friends and one of those I've
> never even met IRL.
> 

listen bitch. I've got a beef with you. so come over and let's throw it on
the barbie and have us some margaritas... ;P

> I think that we just know that we suck, therefore it's easier for us to
> automatically hate each other.

personally, i left everything that catnap was talking about back in high
school 6 years ago... so that either makes me old and decrepit, or fairly
normal. keep in mind the average age of a "raver" anymore... isn't it like
16? of course they're gonna act like they're in high school. most of them
still are...

just a thought.


-Becky =)

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i'm so slow. :P


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> that should be nice.
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> babylon apparently has many whores.

aren't you from babylon, ege?

cause laura said something about you being a whore.

see your slutty ass at further, ege.

--doug

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From mw-raves-return-5822-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 16 03:50:12 2000
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>keep in mind the average age of a "raver" anymore... isn't it like
>16? of course they're gonna act like they're in high school. most of them
>still are...


That's when I say "look biznatch!!  I've been going to parties since your
ass was in elementary school!  Now get your ass away from my speaker!"

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From mw-raves-return-5823-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 16 03:58:42 2000
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WHOOT!!! 

shawne

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Holyspirit069@aol.com>
> god damn, it's getting easier to spot the
> posers now!!

i agree.
especially since most of the addresses seem to have 069 in them.

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From mw-raves-return-5825-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 16 06:44:29 2000
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> okay, i'm probably going to piss off a lot of folks here BUT i gotta ask - 
> why do so many girls in the rave scene have beef with each other?  

society pits women against each other.media plants a competitive seed
amoungst us. they feed off insecurities to make a buck. and, sorry to
sound like a man hater, but you men dont help. im willing to go into his
further if youd like, but i wont fill your inbox with unsolicited feminist
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Subject: [mw] REBIRTH and I, ROBOT!

Man!


It's been awhile.

It's been awhile since I've gone to a party and NOT
had to deal with thuglife... or at least, imitation
thuglife frmo some suburbinite who THINKS they be
hard!  But, Rebirth of the Flesh was just that.  A
party!

My only problem was, not with the production, but the
fact that kids didn't wanna dance, but EVERYBODY
talked about bad ass the music was.  That makes no
sense!!!  

but, at least everyone was friendly!  I met alot of
folks.  Claire, Sean (Dj Korova), and Michael (glamour
fag).  

Can't wait for Barbara Tucker and Baby Anne on Sept
30th!!!!

I WILL be at I, ROBOT this saturday, too!

I WILL NOT miss a Scarab event, ever!

-Jesse Houston



__________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: [mw] REBIRTH and I, ROBOT!

I thought robot was on Friday?  Maybe I should go get the flyer.  This
will be my second rave, after the first one on New Years at that art
studio I was debating to ever waste my money agine, but I hear this one
should be good.  Maybe I will meet some new friends, my friends are not
into the whole rave thing.

BTW: I am back as a subscriber after about two or more years off the list.
I am 23, grew up in New Palestine, Indiana.  I should be moving to
downtown Indy in Oct. or maybe sooner.  I work fulltime and am a parttime
student at IUPUI finishing up degrees in public mgnt. and finance.  Later,
ryan

On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Jesse Houston wrote:

> Man!
> 
> 
> It's been awhile.
> 
> It's been awhile since I've gone to a party and NOT
> had to deal with thuglife... or at least, imitation
> thuglife frmo some suburbinite who THINKS they be
> hard!  But, Rebirth of the Flesh was just that.  A
> party!
> 
> My only problem was, not with the production, but the
> fact that kids didn't wanna dance, but EVERYBODY
> talked about bad ass the music was.  That makes no
> sense!!!  
> 
> but, at least everyone was friendly!  I met alot of
> folks.  Claire, Sean (Dj Korova), and Michael (glamour
> fag).  
> 
> Can't wait for Barbara Tucker and Baby Anne on Sept
> 30th!!!!
> 
> I WILL be at I, ROBOT this saturday, too!
> 
> I WILL NOT miss a Scarab event, ever!
> 
> -Jesse Houston
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.
> http://invites.yahoo.com/
> 
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>
>  >> >
>  >> >                          Tuesday, 15 August 2000
>  >> >
>  >> >          Fairgrounds 'rave' is likely dead
>  >> >
>  >> >          County officials cite drug-use concerns; vote set for
>  >> >          today
>  >> >
>  >> >          By Joe Burchell
>  >> >          ARIZONA DAILY STAR
>  >> >
>  >> >          The commission that oversees the Pima County Fairgrounds is
>  >> >expected
>  >> >          to vote today to cancel Transcend, an all-night musical
event
>  >> >planned for
>  >> >          Aug. 26.
>  >> >
>  >> >          Ralph Wong, chairman of the Southwest Fair Commission, said
>  the
>  >> >          cancellation is being considered under pressure from the
Board
>  of
>  >> >          Supervisors, the sheriff, county attorney and County
>  >> >Administrator
>  >> >          Chuck Huckelberry, who are concerned about widespread heavy
>  drug
>  >> >          use at all-night "raves."
>  >> >
>  >> >          On Friday, board Chairwoman Sharon Bronson and Huckelberry
>  met
>  >> >          with representatives of the Sheriff's Department and County
>  >> >Attorney's
>  >> >          Office to discuss rampant drug problems at raves in
general,
>  and
>  >> >more
>  >> >          specifically a July 22 rave at the fairgrounds at which 10
>  people
>  >> >were
>  >> >          arrested for selling drugs.
>  >> >
>  >> >          The meeting included the showing of clips from several
national
>  >> >news
>  >> >          documentaries about the problems with raves, particularly
>  with a
>  >> >drug
>  >> >          called ecstasy, which causes a sense of euphoria and gives
>  those
>  >> >who
>  >> >          take it a burst of energy.
>  >> >
>  >> >          Rave producer Bobby Stewart of Los Angeles-based Euphoric
>  Empire
>  >> >          Inc. said the county is wrong to judge his event based on
>  what
>  >> >happened
>  >> >          at one staged by a different company.
>  >> >
>  >> >          He said his company signed a rental contract for the
fairgrounds
>  >> >four
>  >> >          months ago and has since spent about $150,000 in advance
fees
>  for
>  >> >          talent, insurance, security and other production costs. He
>  >> >expects the
>  >> >          concert to attract about 10,000 participants at $30 a head.
>  >> >
>  >> >          "We'll do everything we can to make sure public safety is
>  taken
>  >> >care of,"
>  >> >          Stewart said. He added, "There's no turning back at this
point."
>  >> >
>  >> >          Although raves have been staged at the fairgrounds for four
>  to
>  >> >five years,
>  >> >          they just became the focus of official attention here
because
>  of
>  >> >the
>  >> >          national news coverage and the problems at the July 22
event.
>  >> >
>  >> >          "When the sheriff says, 'We didn't arrest anyone just for
>  using
>  >> >drugs
>  >> >          because there wouldn't be enough room in the jail; we only
>  >> >arrested the
>  >> >          ones who were selling,' we don't have much choice,"
Huckelberry
>  >> >said.
>  >> >
>  >> >          He said if teens and young adults are going to attend such
>  >> >events, "it
>  >> >          should not be on public property, with the apparent
sanction
>  of
>  >> >Pima
>  >> >          County."
>  >> >
>  >> >          He said the fact that the event is at a county facility,
with
>  >> >sheriff's deputies
>  >> >          on site, could give parents a false sense of security.
>  >> >
>  >> >          "Parents expect us to provide a safe, drug-free
environment.
>  I'm
>  >> >not sure
>  >> >          we can do that," Bronson said.
>  >> >
>  >> >          Bronson said she expects the county to be sued over the
>  >> >last-minute
>  >> >          cancellation. The suit could have an educational benefit
because
>  >> >"what
>  >> >          goes on at these kinds of events needs more public
exposure,"
>  she
>  >> >said.
>  >> >
>  >> >          The fair commission is scheduled to meet today at 2 p.m.
The
>  >> >meeting,
>  >> >          which must be open to the public, is at the commission's
>  >> >attorney's office
>  >> >          at 6262 N. Swan Road, Suite 200.
>  >> >
>  >> >          Stewart, who complained the county didn't even notify him
>  of the
>  >> >          cancellation vote, said the picture painted of raves
doesn't
>  >> >represent what
>  >> >          his events are like.
>  >> >
>  >> >          "This isn't some spur-of-the-moment party that you pass out
>  >> >fliers
>  >> >for," he
>  >> >          said. "We're bringing in 36 entertainers. We've spent
$40,000
>  on
>  >> >lights
>  >> >          and a stage. We went through the process to get an FAA
waiver
>  for
>  >> >our
>  >> >          laser lights. We have insurance." He said there will be a
>  shuttle
>  >> >bus from
>  >> >          the University of Arizona so party-goers won't have to
drive
>  to
>  >> >the
>  >> >          fairgrounds.
>  >> >
>  >> >          Some individuals may be able to slip drugs into the event,
>  but
>  >> >that's true
>  >> >          of any rock concert or other similar large event, he said.
>  >> >
>  >> >          The difference, Sheriff's Capt. Martha Cramer said, is that
>  drug
>  >> >use is the
>  >> >          primary orientation of a rave.
>  >> >
>  >> >          "There's no such thing as a drug-free rave," she said.
"Just
>  by
>  >> >calling it a
>  >> >          rave instead of a concert or something else is a clear
signal
>  >> >that
>  >> >it's a drug
>  >> >          event."
>



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This is not right, public property SHOULD NEVER be used for such an event.
As soon as one kids ODs (even though it may have never happened the last
4-5 years) there would be a hugh ass lawsuit with every ambulance chaser
looking to cash in.  And don't give me any 'it's the person who took the
drugs fault."  Hell, if a jury can find a tabacoo comapny liable for
billions of dollars for someone's personal actions, they sure as hell can
find a government agency just as liable.  Maybe if the promotor's signed a
waiver, but I will have to get out my civil law book to see if even this
would protect the county.  ryan





 On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, nathan wrote:

> 
> 
> >
> >  >> >
> >  >> >                          Tuesday, 15 August 2000
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Fairgrounds 'rave' is likely dead
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          County officials cite drug-use concerns; vote set for
> >  >> >          today
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          By Joe Burchell
> >  >> >          ARIZONA DAILY STAR
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          The commission that oversees the Pima County Fairgrounds is
> >  >> >expected
> >  >> >          to vote today to cancel Transcend, an all-night musical
> event
> >  >> >planned for
> >  >> >          Aug. 26.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Ralph Wong, chairman of the Southwest Fair Commission, said
> >  the
> >  >> >          cancellation is being considered under pressure from the
> Board
> >  of
> >  >> >          Supervisors, the sheriff, county attorney and County
> >  >> >Administrator
> >  >> >          Chuck Huckelberry, who are concerned about widespread heavy
> >  drug
> >  >> >          use at all-night "raves."
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          On Friday, board Chairwoman Sharon Bronson and Huckelberry
> >  met
> >  >> >          with representatives of the Sheriff's Department and County
> >  >> >Attorney's
> >  >> >          Office to discuss rampant drug problems at raves in
> general,
> >  and
> >  >> >more
> >  >> >          specifically a July 22 rave at the fairgrounds at which 10
> >  people
> >  >> >were
> >  >> >          arrested for selling drugs.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          The meeting included the showing of clips from several
> national
> >  >> >news
> >  >> >          documentaries about the problems with raves, particularly
> >  with a
> >  >> >drug
> >  >> >          called ecstasy, which causes a sense of euphoria and gives
> >  those
> >  >> >who
> >  >> >          take it a burst of energy.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Rave producer Bobby Stewart of Los Angeles-based Euphoric
> >  Empire
> >  >> >          Inc. said the county is wrong to judge his event based on
> >  what
> >  >> >happened
> >  >> >          at one staged by a different company.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          He said his company signed a rental contract for the
> fairgrounds
> >  >> >four
> >  >> >          months ago and has since spent about $150,000 in advance
> fees
> >  for
> >  >> >          talent, insurance, security and other production costs. He
> >  >> >expects the
> >  >> >          concert to attract about 10,000 participants at $30 a head.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "We'll do everything we can to make sure public safety is
> >  taken
> >  >> >care of,"
> >  >> >          Stewart said. He added, "There's no turning back at this
> point."
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Although raves have been staged at the fairgrounds for four
> >  to
> >  >> >five years,
> >  >> >          they just became the focus of official attention here
> because
> >  of
> >  >> >the
> >  >> >          national news coverage and the problems at the July 22
> event.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "When the sheriff says, 'We didn't arrest anyone just for
> >  using
> >  >> >drugs
> >  >> >          because there wouldn't be enough room in the jail; we only
> >  >> >arrested the
> >  >> >          ones who were selling,' we don't have much choice,"
> Huckelberry
> >  >> >said.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          He said if teens and young adults are going to attend such
> >  >> >events, "it
> >  >> >          should not be on public property, with the apparent
> sanction
> >  of
> >  >> >Pima
> >  >> >          County."
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          He said the fact that the event is at a county facility,
> with
> >  >> >sheriff's deputies
> >  >> >          on site, could give parents a false sense of security.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "Parents expect us to provide a safe, drug-free
> environment.
> >  I'm
> >  >> >not sure
> >  >> >          we can do that," Bronson said.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Bronson said she expects the county to be sued over the
> >  >> >last-minute
> >  >> >          cancellation. The suit could have an educational benefit
> because
> >  >> >"what
> >  >> >          goes on at these kinds of events needs more public
> exposure,"
> >  she
> >  >> >said.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          The fair commission is scheduled to meet today at 2 p.m.
> The
> >  >> >meeting,
> >  >> >          which must be open to the public, is at the commission's
> >  >> >attorney's office
> >  >> >          at 6262 N. Swan Road, Suite 200.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Stewart, who complained the county didn't even notify him
> >  of the
> >  >> >          cancellation vote, said the picture painted of raves
> doesn't
> >  >> >represent what
> >  >> >          his events are like.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "This isn't some spur-of-the-moment party that you pass out
> >  >> >fliers
> >  >> >for," he
> >  >> >          said. "We're bringing in 36 entertainers. We've spent
> $40,000
> >  on
> >  >> >lights
> >  >> >          and a stage. We went through the process to get an FAA
> waiver
> >  for
> >  >> >our
> >  >> >          laser lights. We have insurance." He said there will be a
> >  shuttle
> >  >> >bus from
> >  >> >          the University of Arizona so party-goers won't have to
> drive
> >  to
> >  >> >the
> >  >> >          fairgrounds.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Some individuals may be able to slip drugs into the event,
> >  but
> >  >> >that's true
> >  >> >          of any rock concert or other similar large event, he said.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          The difference, Sheriff's Capt. Martha Cramer said, is that
> >  drug
> >  >> >use is the
> >  >> >          primary orientation of a rave.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "There's no such thing as a drug-free rave," she said.
> "Just
> >  by
> >  >> >calling it a
> >  >> >          rave instead of a concert or something else is a clear
> signal
> >  >> >that
> >  >> >it's a drug
> >  >> >          event."
> >
> 
> 
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any1 from cincy planning on going up to Class Cuts??? were going up and 
looking for some other degenerates who are going.

reply privatly


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yay !!!! gotta love fuckin news like that :-)

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>
>i hear de la soul is coming out with a new album(s?)
>
>that should be nice.
>
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I hit the send button to quick on my last message.  Here are some ideas
that could help keep the rave going.  Since this is PUBLIC property, they
county cannot discriminate.  It either let's all vendors rent the
property, or non.  Here is the case the promotors lawyers may want to look
at.  It is a Calif. case and is under Great Western Shows, Inc. vs. The
County of Los Angeles.  Los Angeles Co. passed a ban on ammunition sales
at ALL county property, however the show was all ready schedualed to be at
the fairgrounds.  A Calif. judge ALLOWED the gun show to go on.  This
story can be found at the L.A. Times site and was published in the times
on 10/16/99.  If you want to read the article on the web, you have to buy
it since it's so old.  Even though I think the county could be liable, if
they are made to host the show by a judge then their liability may be
nullified in that respect.  Good luck, ryan






On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, nathan wrote:

> 
> 
> >
> >  >> >
> >  >> >                          Tuesday, 15 August 2000
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Fairgrounds 'rave' is likely dead
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          County officials cite drug-use concerns; vote set for
> >  >> >          today
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          By Joe Burchell
> >  >> >          ARIZONA DAILY STAR
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          The commission that oversees the Pima County Fairgrounds is
> >  >> >expected
> >  >> >          to vote today to cancel Transcend, an all-night musical
> event
> >  >> >planned for
> >  >> >          Aug. 26.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Ralph Wong, chairman of the Southwest Fair Commission, said
> >  the
> >  >> >          cancellation is being considered under pressure from the
> Board
> >  of
> >  >> >          Supervisors, the sheriff, county attorney and County
> >  >> >Administrator
> >  >> >          Chuck Huckelberry, who are concerned about widespread heavy
> >  drug
> >  >> >          use at all-night "raves."
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          On Friday, board Chairwoman Sharon Bronson and Huckelberry
> >  met
> >  >> >          with representatives of the Sheriff's Department and County
> >  >> >Attorney's
> >  >> >          Office to discuss rampant drug problems at raves in
> general,
> >  and
> >  >> >more
> >  >> >          specifically a July 22 rave at the fairgrounds at which 10
> >  people
> >  >> >were
> >  >> >          arrested for selling drugs.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          The meeting included the showing of clips from several
> national
> >  >> >news
> >  >> >          documentaries about the problems with raves, particularly
> >  with a
> >  >> >drug
> >  >> >          called ecstasy, which causes a sense of euphoria and gives
> >  those
> >  >> >who
> >  >> >          take it a burst of energy.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Rave producer Bobby Stewart of Los Angeles-based Euphoric
> >  Empire
> >  >> >          Inc. said the county is wrong to judge his event based on
> >  what
> >  >> >happened
> >  >> >          at one staged by a different company.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          He said his company signed a rental contract for the
> fairgrounds
> >  >> >four
> >  >> >          months ago and has since spent about $150,000 in advance
> fees
> >  for
> >  >> >          talent, insurance, security and other production costs. He
> >  >> >expects the
> >  >> >          concert to attract about 10,000 participants at $30 a head.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "We'll do everything we can to make sure public safety is
> >  taken
> >  >> >care of,"
> >  >> >          Stewart said. He added, "There's no turning back at this
> point."
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Although raves have been staged at the fairgrounds for four
> >  to
> >  >> >five years,
> >  >> >          they just became the focus of official attention here
> because
> >  of
> >  >> >the
> >  >> >          national news coverage and the problems at the July 22
> event.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "When the sheriff says, 'We didn't arrest anyone just for
> >  using
> >  >> >drugs
> >  >> >          because there wouldn't be enough room in the jail; we only
> >  >> >arrested the
> >  >> >          ones who were selling,' we don't have much choice,"
> Huckelberry
> >  >> >said.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          He said if teens and young adults are going to attend such
> >  >> >events, "it
> >  >> >          should not be on public property, with the apparent
> sanction
> >  of
> >  >> >Pima
> >  >> >          County."
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          He said the fact that the event is at a county facility,
> with
> >  >> >sheriff's deputies
> >  >> >          on site, could give parents a false sense of security.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "Parents expect us to provide a safe, drug-free
> environment.
> >  I'm
> >  >> >not sure
> >  >> >          we can do that," Bronson said.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Bronson said she expects the county to be sued over the
> >  >> >last-minute
> >  >> >          cancellation. The suit could have an educational benefit
> because
> >  >> >"what
> >  >> >          goes on at these kinds of events needs more public
> exposure,"
> >  she
> >  >> >said.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          The fair commission is scheduled to meet today at 2 p.m.
> The
> >  >> >meeting,
> >  >> >          which must be open to the public, is at the commission's
> >  >> >attorney's office
> >  >> >          at 6262 N. Swan Road, Suite 200.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Stewart, who complained the county didn't even notify him
> >  of the
> >  >> >          cancellation vote, said the picture painted of raves
> doesn't
> >  >> >represent what
> >  >> >          his events are like.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "This isn't some spur-of-the-moment party that you pass out
> >  >> >fliers
> >  >> >for," he
> >  >> >          said. "We're bringing in 36 entertainers. We've spent
> $40,000
> >  on
> >  >> >lights
> >  >> >          and a stage. We went through the process to get an FAA
> waiver
> >  for
> >  >> >our
> >  >> >          laser lights. We have insurance." He said there will be a
> >  shuttle
> >  >> >bus from
> >  >> >          the University of Arizona so party-goers won't have to
> drive
> >  to
> >  >> >the
> >  >> >          fairgrounds.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          Some individuals may be able to slip drugs into the event,
> >  but
> >  >> >that's true
> >  >> >          of any rock concert or other similar large event, he said.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          The difference, Sheriff's Capt. Martha Cramer said, is that
> >  drug
> >  >> >use is the
> >  >> >          primary orientation of a rave.
> >  >> >
> >  >> >          "There's no such thing as a drug-free rave," she said.
> "Just
> >  by
> >  >> >calling it a
> >  >> >          rave instead of a concert or something else is a clear
> signal
> >  >> >that
> >  >> >it's a drug
> >  >> >          event."
> >
> 
> 
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> i hear de la soul is coming out with a new album(s?)
haven't heard it yet, but a friend of mine works at a record shop round here
and said it is a big departure from earlier stuff.
good, and different.

im eager to hear it too

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http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1709/
thats what i meant to say last time

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On the real tip, I have maybe five girls who I am good friends with and the
entire rest of my crew is guys. I don't know why, I can't really explain it,
but I find girls to be too dramatic and I think guys are sooo much more fun
to bullshit together and hang out with.  The girls that I do meet, tell me
that I even think like a guy. I don't even like to work for a woman. In
fact, once I quit this job I never want to work for another woman again...

I hope that your girl doesn't choose to change her style, like starting to
sport UFOs and shit just to fit in, thinking that will change their opinion
of her. It is important to be real and once she starts to meet more chicks
at parties, maybe they won't judge her based on her taste of clothes alone,
ya feel me, dawg? ;)

Most girls suck! ;p

Miztie


On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:26:06 -0700, Fergus wrote:

>  >i'm just venting, but everyone please tell me what you think. 
especially the
>  >girls!!!
>  
>  
>  I fucking hate girls.  I have like two female friends and one of those
I've
>  never even met IRL.
>  
>  I think that we just know that we suck, therefore it's easier for us to
>  automatically hate each other.
>  
>  fergus ;p
>  
>  
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is that stevie t's homepage?

dont bother responding to me stevie, you have long since been blocked
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> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1709/
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I am leaving Friday after work for a very well deserved week long vacation
to Siesta Keys, Florida...Does anybody have any suggestions on night life
there or anything fun to do besides the obvious? How is the scene there?
This will be my first time to Florida...I am soo excited...

I may never return ;)

Miztie

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<snip>

 FWIW, you've got an interesting background, Rob.

Actually, my life is in many ways like a bad "B" movie! Most ppl do not
believe where I have been or what I have done until I produce documentation.
Even then, some refuse to believe me. Others tell me to stop telling them
about it because they feel "uneasy" hearing it (it may also be because I get
rather hyper and relive it a little bit when talking about it).

Some ppl argue that to go through all this would have been impossible to
deal with therefore it could not have happened the way it did.

I guess the best way to explain many events in my past would be to take a
situation, add some Murphy's law, a little bit of "Catch 22", a bit of any
cheezy rock documentary, some of "Get Smart", "Conspiracy Theory", some PBS
programming and "Monty Python" and you would have what my life was like for
about 6 years. Why was it like that? Hrm... I will spend the other 90% of my
life trying to unravel those 6 years. ;)

There is still much more, but I don't want to air it out here since much of
it is what I consider extremely controversial and complex and the firestorm
that would ignite as ppl took sides would be even more complex and would
consume far too much time to deal with properly. And in the end, honestly,
what would it accomplish? Probably nothing. Face to face, I don't really
mind explaining it because questions are dealt with more directly. But on a
forum type of setting, it would be overwhelming trying to deal with 20
emails a day as each person took each incident and put their own spin on it.
Plus, too, trying to prove it all to so many ppl would be very time
consuming, scanning and faxing documents everywhere. 

Besides, if you called the military right now, you would probably find very
few, if any, record of me ever being in since many of the records are sealed
and considered secret. Which also adds to the lack of validity and makes it
harder to prove anything to anyone.

Many friends I served with while in military intel had ID cards with no
social security number, no picture, and no Geneva Convention coding..

IOW, many ppl I rubbed elbows with were in VERY deep. Disavowed.
 
I mean, its pretty bad when you have to wait for almost a year and a half to
get the NSA to clear your military records so you can get your GI Bill
payments while you are in college. Mind you, I was never that deep, not like
some of them. I could imagine the hell they went through as they waded
through the red tape.

So all said, why bother? What incentive do I have to tell anyone anything?
None..

Thats what leads us all to realize how well the system that Steven T. is
always talking about works. I empathize with Steven, but he is taking the
wrong road. Thats all I wanted to say. Sorry for the inconvienience.


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On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:53:47AM -0500, jaimmie wrote:
> society pits women against each other.media plants a competitive seed
> amoungst us. they feed off insecurities to make a buck. and, sorry to
> sound like a man hater, but you men dont help. im willing to go into his
> further if youd like, but i wont fill your inbox with unsolicited feminist
> rantings.

I was about to post but Jaimmie pretty much summed up what I was going
to say...  So, uh.  Yea...  Read her post again.  :)

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On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 09:31:23PM -0500, chad m spoonhaus wrote:
> where do i begin?
> 
> a friend of mine found it on the internet.
> strong adult language... nice touch.
> 
> who did the soundtrack?
> 
> needles to say, i'm short on words right now.

I believe the soundtrack was done by Mike.

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wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com writes:

<< i agree. especially since most of the addresses seem 
to have 069 in them.  >>

you are a professional idiot, bunyan head!

btw, if you're wondering, the 069 stands for yin yang,
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doris@konfused.net writes:

<< back up on chad's dick, i see? >>

still sexually frustrated doris, i see?

lol, bitches end up as old witches!

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This page was a riot!!, just goes to show you how our
government was so afraid of a commie invasion back
in the day!!...almost as stupid as thinking that China
is still a Communist nation (ironically, as previously
mentioned it was the CIA that trained Mau Tse Dong
to start Communism to kill China's leaders and convert
it into a nation of sweatshops for America) when it is a 
Democracy!!...And Taiwan is a Republic!!

this part of the site was particularly amusing...

Who was valued in the Smurfian society? 

 Why it was the hard working Smurfs who got no rewards for the hard labor 
they put in!! What a crock!!! 
 It is almost too perfect! The Smurfs are a perfect match to what communism 
should be in theory. The Smurfs have no currency and every thing is shared 
equally between them. notice that all of the Smurfs dress exactly the same in 
the same standard issue white pants and hat. It is nearly impossible to tell 
one smurf from another. This demonstrated the idea of total equality and that 
every member of the society was as important as the others. The Smurfs made 
communism look like a great form of government because all of the Smurfs 
seemed happy and there was no poverty or any crime. This was a ploy of the 
communist creators of the Smurfs that was used to turn the North American 
children on to the idea of communism. Of course, in reality communism just 
does not work because people are generally greedy and need to have something 
to strive for that is why capitalism works; it allows us to strive to make 
more money, get better toys, and higher social standings that our friends, 
neighbors, or anyone we may come in contact with.
The Smurfs put forth a definite anti-capitalism message in their shows. One 
need only look a value of certain Smurfs in the society to see this; Who was 
portrayed negatively on the show? greedy and vanity that's who! And why were 
these particular Smurfs frowned upon? Well Greedy took for himself and like 
to eat allot. Is that a reason to condemn him? I think not he still did allot 
of good for the society; he did cook for them all did he not!! The case of 
vanity is even more disturbing! Who do you think the smurf that wore a flower 
in his hair and looked in the mirror all day represented?? Vanity was a 
homosexual of course and he was constantly put down which taught the young 
generation of would be North American communists that homosexuality would not 
be tolerated in this society. Now that we have seen which Smurfs were looked 
down upon we must ask which Smurfs were valued the most in the society? Why 
it was the hard working handy Smurfs which worked hard and questioned 
nothing. The communists wanted their new generation of communists to value 
hard work and to condemn the lazy Smurfs who played golf suntanned and drove 
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i think i understand how the "69" stands for yin yang...but what does the
"0" (the zero?) in stevie's email addresses stand for?

oh wait, tee hee, i think i just answered my own question...
-t

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the 069 stands for yin yang,
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freakboy@alliedsubstructure.com writes:

<< is that stevie t's homepage? >>

oh look, freakboy is back from his allied nazi convention!!

so which nation were u planning on conquering next on
that great white horse of yours?

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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< Thats what leads us all to realize how well the system that Steven T. is
 always talking about works. I empathize with Steven, but he is taking the
 wrong road. Thats all I wanted to say. Sorry for the inconvienience. >>

hyeah, i posted the truth about just how corrupt the system
has truly gotten (like it was some big secret - since most of the 
stuff i found out was on web pages created by ex agents who 
were repulsed with what they found out about how this nation 
was built upon layers and layers of lies to preserve white power 
at any means possible) and had my career and reputation 
destroyed by the likes of oppressive assholes like you!!

how many times have i told you before...this is the underground
...it was built to escape control freaks like you!!

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Hrm, I agree, you ignorant buffoon. But, you have already shown a complete
lack of understanding of the english language. Maybe if you speak Korean or
German I can get through to you? I know a bit of Japanese, too. Lets try one
of these, because you certainly haven't shown any fluency in English.

As a matter of fact, being involved in the scene definitely swayed the
opinion of the military against me and had a lot to do with why I decided
not to make it a carreer.

It is becoming easier and easier to make you show how much of a unlearned
fool you are.

Rob

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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< Thats what leads us all to realize how well the system that Steven T. is
 always talking about works. I empathize with Steven, but he is taking the
 wrong road. Thats all I wanted to say. Sorry for the inconvienience. >>

hyeah, i posted the truth about just how corrupt the system
has truly gotten (like it was some big secret - since most of the 
stuff i found out was on web pages created by ex agents who 
were repulsed with what they found out about how this nation 
was built upon layers and layers of lies to preserve white power 
at any means possible) and had my career and reputation 
destroyed by the likes of oppressive assholes like you!!

how many times have i told you before...this is the underground
...it was built to escape control freaks like you!!

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no, its really just is long desire for a blowjob
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> i think i understand how the "69" stands for yin yang...but what does the
> "0" (the zero?) in stevie's email addresses stand for?
>
> oh wait, tee hee, i think i just answered my own question...
> -t
>
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> the 069 stands for yin yang,
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From mw-raves-return-5850-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 16 17:07:03 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] bitches, man, bitches...


In response to my earlier post about hanging out with mostly guys, a good
friend e-mailed me their take on the situation and said:


<<This is my take on it... Most girls with few female friends and who 'talk
shit' about girls in general. Well there is a reason for it.. its kinda
funny actually to hear it (most of my female friends are of this variety go=
d
knows why I'm attracted to dysfunction, or maybe dysfunction is attracted t=
o
me?). They typify most often everything they say they hate in females. Most
of their experience with girls is limited to themselves (who they wouldnt
trust so why should they trust another girl?) or girls like themselves. Mos=
t
of these girls tend to prefer the company of guys and act kinda like guys.
But I think its a little bit of an act.. I think they hang out with guys b/=
c
guys are easier to manipulate give more attention and well they stand out i=
n
a group of guys (having breasts and what not). They use the thing they clai=
m
to hate (femininity) to achieve social status.. and other girls are a threa=
t
to this. Well thats my reasoning... and for whatever reason "normal/ well
adjusted girls" are rare in this scene. Well thats my two cents on the
subject. I just think when people make generalizations about entire groups
of people (particularly groups to which they are members) it says more abou=
t
their feelings of themselves than it necessarily says about the group. Most
people are way too insecure to voice in such an obvious manner their own
self opinion. >>

Accurate?  I don=92t know but it=92s certainly an educated analysis=85

Late,

Miztie

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i think the greatest hypocrisy of all this is most dealers only
start when they couldn't get real jobs

the true source of drugs is the US Army Chemical Center
and the CIA who introduced drugs to the streets to keep
the poor properly sedated so they don't go robbing all
the rich folk's houses...the other perks wuz it provided a
nice source of hidden income and it gave the perfect excuse
for incarcerating minorities and foreigners who were forced
to deal drugs because they couldn't get a job due to white 
supremist corporate capitalists...or if they were offered a job 
it would be like $7/hr minimum wage!

the media goes off about how these parties are supposed to
be drugfests when woodstock and metal concerts were 
twice as drug ridden and twice as violent with even more 
potent drugs (the capitalist have learned to make smaller
drugs to turn a greater profit plus less chance of over dose)

however, the true reason the media would like to ban raves
is so you would be stuck at home, forced to watch the biased
propaganda they call news....showing the poor as criminals
when they are just trying to survive despite all the severe 
oppression...ironic, how they never show all the outrageous
violence against the innocent people that rallied at the republican 
national convention in philly though!!

they try to show us these soap operas of all these perfect 
people with jetset lives, but the masses know it's bullshit, because
they live the truth every single day...and they can not deny the
truth of their own lives!!

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 BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< As a matter of fact, being involved in the scene definitely swayed the
 opinion of the military against me and had a lot to do with why I decided
 not to make it a carreer.>>

if this is true, than i apologize for my defensiveness.

but, you must understand my response for all that has 
happened to me...i have been oppressed beyond belief 
here!!...all for exposing the truth and standing up for what
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they already have!!! saw it out in the store this past weekend. i want i
want i want! heheheh.

lauryn.

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, chad m spoonhaus wrote:

> i hear de la soul is coming out with a new album(s?)
> 
> that should be nice.
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doris@konfused.net writes:

<< i'm glad you've decided to take my private mails to the list.
 don't hate cause you can't get with this, stevie. >>

LoL, i think i'll make the choice of every guy that has ever met
you and avoid you like the medussa that you are!!

perhaps, you should hook up with freakboy, since he sounds 
just as sexually frustrated as you are!!

pity, if you two had just learned to be nicer, you'd prolly have 
better lovers so we wouldn't have to put up with your bitchy
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Subject: Re: [mw] i like stevie t

It's clearly too much to ask that you not behave like a braying jackass when
you post, but could you at least follow basic netiquette and not post
private mails to the list.  It's nearly as bad as posting private chat
sessions.

i assume an oppressed double-major college graduate knows how email works,
but maybe i assume too much.

    -bill
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> doris@konfused.net writes:
>
> << i'm glad you've decided to take my private mails to the list.
>  don't hate cause you can't get with this, stevie. >>
>
> LoL, i think i'll make the choice of every guy that has ever met
> you and avoid you like the medussa that you are!!
>
> perhaps, you should hook up with freakboy, since he sounds
> just as sexually frustrated as you are!!
>
> pity, if you two had just learned to be nicer, you'd prolly have
> better lovers so we wouldn't have to put up with your bitchy
> asses on this list!!
>
> --- - -
> http://www.mw-raves.org
>


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Subject: Re: [mw] bitches, man, bitches...

> On the real tip, I have maybe five girls who I am good friends with and the
> entire rest of my crew is guys. I don't know why, I can't really explain it,

hmm. it could be that despite the progress women have made, we still need
a man's acceptance to feel good about ourselves. time after time, women
value men more than themselves and other women. i know it sounds
ridiculous, but look around. i am not saying that all women live for
men. but, to some degree this affects all of us. whether you are
objectifying yourself for the short term results it gives your selfesteem,
dieting to become the medias idea of the perfect woman, or buying
mascara. it doesnt matter. 

> but I find girls to be too dramatic and I think guys are sooo much more fun
> to bullshit together and hang out with. 

really? why do you think women are too dramatic? some are. but, such a
generalized statement ought to be backed up. because, ive heard men say
over and over that women are overemotional, melodramatic beings. could it
be that if you hear a lie long enough, you begin to believe it? even
become it?

 The girls that I do meet, tell me
> that I even think like a guy.

so thought differences are based on gender? i wonder why? not saying i
disagree. just trying to understand.

 I don't even like to work for a woman. In
> fact, once I quit this job I never want to work for another woman again...

okay. this upsets me. i feel really sad about this.it worked! dont you
see? they actually have us believing that women are
inferior! physically inferior (you dont see many men wearing makeup and
control top pantyhose), mentally inferior (*you think like a man* is a
compliment), spiritually inferior (there are very few women
preachers). women are taught to hate themselves and each other based
soley on the fact that they are women. it is so psychologically engrained
in ourselves and our society that a remedy seems nearly impossible. too
many women believe to some degree that they are inferior.
and dont even try to say how far weve come. they throw us a couple
crumbs, and we are supposed to be satiated? sure, i have the right to
vote... for a man! think about your history lessons. who were the only
women in our history books? molly pitcher? wtf did she do? bring water to
the brave men! betsy ross? she sewed! wow! at least rosa parks did
something.  so, what
do we do? keep flashing our boobies to get attention from the far superior
men? its a vicious circle.

> Most girls suck! ;p

*sigh*
you keep believing that. go ahead. 


im sorry if this message seems like an attack. it is not a personal
statement against you, mitzie. rather i am telling you and the rest of the
list my take on the situation.

love,
jaimmie the feminazi



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Subject: Re: [mw] Fw: [stl] Problems In AZ (effects all scenes)PLEASE READ...

spry0004@tc.umn.edu writes:

<< Hang out at The Hive (hive.lycaeum.org) for a while.  It'll dispell that
 silly notion of yours that drugs are invented and produced by the
 gummint. >>

No, I do not believe the US Government is currently involved
with the drug trade, however, in the past, certain members of
the CIA were indeed a part of the drug trafficking within the
US...specifically with LSD and Cocaine...anyone that does not 
believe me can read William Cooper's Behold A Pale Horse
Appendix F, pgs 473-489...that site specifically Bush's and the
CIA's involvement in Panama...

In addition let's look at the facts...for instance, with MDMA, it
was created @ Merck, experimented with by the Nazi's during
WWII (coincidentally this is also why most of the MDMA is 
still coming from that area), then after WWII, the US Army 
seized the information and did its own experiements, next
it was experimented by psychotherapist like Shulgin, and was
first seen on the streets over the counter in Texas Bars (which
coincidentally has one of the highest Nazi populations in the US),
there were a few cases of bad reactions and it became illegal,
so the production was moved offshore - back to the homeland,
the Netherlands

However, the investors of the labs were the same who were
involved in the beginning...one can only acquire knowledge from
one that posses that knowledge...

But here is the key - with foreign employees at these illegal labs,
you could reap all the profits without being directly involved, a 
good thing when your lab gets busted or blows up due to a bad
chemical reaction...pretty smart actually...damn INTELLIGENT!!



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Subject: Re: [mw] i like stevie t

i'm glad you've decided to take my private mails to the list.
don't hate cause you can't get with this, stevie.


On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 Holyspirit069@aol.com wrote:

> doris@konfused.net writes:
> 
> << back up on chad's dick, i see? >>
> 
> still sexually frustrated doris, i see?
> 
> lol, bitches end up as old witches!
> 
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wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com writes:

<< It's clearly too much to ask that you not behave like a braying jackass 
when
 you post, but could you at least follow basic netiquette and not post
 private mails to the list.  It's nearly as bad as posting private chat
 sessions. >>

just as this could have gone private, you hypocritical
bunyan headed professional idiot!!

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You know what's really funny about this, I have stevie T blocked so I
wouldnt have even seen this....I think he realizes that though and he's
trying to get to me, much like the government is out to get him. The black
panthers have him on their list too you know.  Better not give me you email
address stevie I might send the unibomber after you.  Man you are pathetic.


FreakBoy
"How many times does this guy have to get banned?"

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:48 PM
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> It's clearly too much to ask that you not behave like a braying jackass
when
> you post, but could you at least follow basic netiquette and not post
> private mails to the list.  It's nearly as bad as posting private chat
> sessions.
>
> i assume an oppressed double-major college graduate knows how email works,
> but maybe i assume too much.
>
>     -bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Holyspirit069@aol.com>
> To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [mw] i like stevie t
>
>
> > doris@konfused.net writes:
> >
> > << i'm glad you've decided to take my private mails to the list.
> >  don't hate cause you can't get with this, stevie. >>
> >
> > LoL, i think i'll make the choice of every guy that has ever met
> > you and avoid you like the medussa that you are!!
> >
> > perhaps, you should hook up with freakboy, since he sounds
> > just as sexually frustrated as you are!!
> >
> > pity, if you two had just learned to be nicer, you'd prolly have
> > better lovers so we wouldn't have to put up with your bitchy
> > asses on this list!!
> >
> > --- - -
> > http://www.mw-raves.org
> >
>
>
> --- - -
> http://www.mw-raves.org
>
>


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From mw-raves-return-5861-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 16 19:32:31 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] i like stevie t

whatever adam.  wanna go make out now?


On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, FreakBoy wrote:

> You know what's really funny about this, I have stevie T blocked so I
> wouldnt have even seen this....I think he realizes that though and he's
> trying to get to me, much like the government is out to get him. The black
> panthers have him on their list too you know.  Better not give me you email
> address stevie I might send the unibomber after you.  Man you are pathetic.
> 
> 
> FreakBoy
> "How many times does this guy have to get banned?"
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bunyan" <wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com>
> To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [mw] i like stevie t
> 
> 
> > It's clearly too much to ask that you not behave like a braying jackass
> when
> > you post, but could you at least follow basic netiquette and not post
> > private mails to the list.  It's nearly as bad as posting private chat
> > sessions.
> >
> > i assume an oppressed double-major college graduate knows how email works,
> > but maybe i assume too much.
> >
> >     -bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Holyspirit069@aol.com>
> > To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [mw] i like stevie t
> >
> >
> > > doris@konfused.net writes:
> > >
> > > << i'm glad you've decided to take my private mails to the list.
> > >  don't hate cause you can't get with this, stevie. >>
> > >
> > > LoL, i think i'll make the choice of every guy that has ever met
> > > you and avoid you like the medussa that you are!!
> > >
> > > perhaps, you should hook up with freakboy, since he sounds
> > > just as sexually frustrated as you are!!
> > >
> > > pity, if you two had just learned to be nicer, you'd prolly have
> > > better lovers so we wouldn't have to put up with your bitchy
> > > asses on this list!!
> > >
> > > --- - -
> > > http://www.mw-raves.org
> > >
> >
> >
> > --- - -
> > http://www.mw-raves.org
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Subject: Re: [mw] bitches, man, bitches...

ooc, are you contending that in our society, women are
encouraged to be more competitive with each other than
men are? 

--- jaimmie <j-me@konfused.net> wrote:
> 
> > okay, i'm probably going to piss off a lot of
> folks here BUT i gotta ask - 
> > why do so many girls in the rave scene have beef
> with each other?  
> 
> society pits women against each other.media plants a
> competitive seed
> amoungst us. they feed off insecurities to make a
> buck. and, sorry to
> sound like a man hater, but you men dont help. im
> willing to go into his
> further if youd like, but i wont fill your inbox
> with unsolicited feminist
> rantings.
> love,
> jaimmie
> 
> 
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--- Holyspirit069@aol.com wrote:

> how many times have i told you before...this is the
> underground
> ....it was built to escape control freaks like you!!

no, frat boy, this is not the underground, this is a
mailing list to dispense information at least
*marginally* connected with a scene which has become
the domain of suburban thugs and the crackheads you
rail against.  
I don't care even if your claim that you started the
scene is true. the scene now is so vastly different
from the one that existed when you were active that
even if you were to release your psychosis and begin
to write lucid messages not concerned with free masons
and the like, you still wouldn't have anything to
contribute except the occasional statement concerning
the *HISTORY* of raving.
you're a leech on this mailing list and i feel guilty
for actually writing you back. sorry to all who will
receive this message after having blocked stevie from
their email.  i don't plan on writing him again.
as a closing note, get over yourself, get a job, and
start taking thorazine.

from the one and only White-Supremist, Skull and Bones
member, NSA-Operative, Free Mason.

plur baby

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Subject: [mw] RED - august 26th - indianapolis 


LORE PRODUCTIONS presents:

RED
AUGUST 26TH
indianapolis, in

$18 with canned good or wearing all red before midnight....$20 with canned
good or wearing all red after midnight....$25 at any time if you don't
wear all red or bring a canned good...we are donating all canned goods to
the local food kitchen so be nice and bring one!

featuring the talents of:

Oliver Ho - [london, uk meta/blueprint/surface/drumcode/planet rhythm] 

Mumtaz - [chicago, il - elegal underground] 

Eye-D  - [the netherlands - mokum records, def wish records, kultbox
records, ghetto safari, black monolith breaks, coolman records] 

Derek Plaslaiko - [detroit - detroit bachelor djs, konfused?]

-----spinning a very special 2 hr 3 way tagteam on 4 turntables---------

Shiva [indianapolis, in - goddess complex, subterror]

Matt Bandy [lexington, ky - aliensquad, subterror]

Adam Jay [indianapolis, in - azure records, subterror]
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

React [cincinnati, oh - subsonik productions]

Slater Hogan [indianapolis, in - genius insanity, muzique boutique]

Craco Saca [louisville, ky - teknomafia, cloak recordings]

Varsha - [indianapolis, in - subterror, psychedelic trance liberation
front, scarab]

Chad M. Sponholz [milwaukee,wi - konfused?]

Matt Sntx [chicago, il - konfused?]

-------special interactive performance by-----------

The Chef [louisville, ky - SKL]

Strange Loop [louisville, ky - SKL - www.strangeloop.nu]

Marky Mark [cincinnati, oh - SKL - architecture geek]

=========
sound and RED lighting scheme provided by: project 7 - louisville, ky
visuals by: VAST - dayton, oh

infoline: 317 - 767 5962 - lore productions
email: teknoho@konfused.net or lorie@konfused.net for more info...all
guest list requests must be made by august 20th. 

jello wrestling provided by: playmate productions of bloomington, in 

to view flyer go to http://www.angelfire.com/in/azurerecords/red.html

SUPPORT INFOLINES:
full spectrum - chicago 773 509 6343
aliensquad - lexington - 859-296-7800
SUBterror- indianapolis - (317)335-mixx
teknomafia- indianapolis - (317)579-3007
subsonik - cincinnati - (513)682.3282  http://subsonik.linenoiz.com 
www.trustthedj.com
=================================

shoutouts to everyone who made this event possible. we are totally
grateful and totally amazed at the numbers of people who helped us make
this party happen. we put our heart and soul into this party and it is
dedicated for all of you who still have a love for what goes down when the
bass goes up. enjoy!





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Subject: Re: [mw] bitches, man, bitches...


> ooc, are you contending that in our society, women are
> encouraged to be more competitive with each other than
> men are? 
> 

in different areas, i would say, yes. women have a tendency to be more
competitive. i dont know if it is necessarily to be "better" at something,
but more along the lines of competing for attention and affection. women a
lot of times compete with other women to show that they are more loved, in
my opinion. 

you are right though about women definitely being catty to each
other. it's really hard to be friends with anohter woman many times. i
know i have problems with it. jealousy will kill a friendship quick and so
will that competitiveness. i can't handle when girls act like
that. nothing drives me away quicker. <shrugs> 

la la la, just stating my opinion. take it or leave it.
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Subject: [mw] Fw: GAETEK-CINCINNATI FRIDAY 8/18/2000

im not sure where the night is going to be...ill check tonight and post the
info soon as possible...i do know that admission is only $10.00 and you
must be 18+ for entry...i hope to see as many of you as possible
there...this is
an experiment with clubhead bringing in a different sort of dj than the
traditional LIFT bookings...if we get a good crowd for this friday,
clubhead is more likely to take chances on booking more adventurous/less
visible but
popular djs of all genres for similarly intimate and relatively inexpensive
weekend events so if you are down with the underground and want to support
fresh new talent to the area now's the time to represent yourself...i can
help set up a net meet if the demand is there...please hit me back
privately and ill set it up...

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
djoracle@onebox.com
www.zap.to/djoracle [under const.]
www.icast.com/member/djoracle

>>From: green_tara@technohead.co.uk
> >>To: "dj oracle [daniel britt]" < djoracle@fuse.net >,
> >>pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.com, indy raves < indybassnet@egroups.com >,
> >>mwtechnodj < mwtechnodj@egroups.com >, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> >>Subject: Re: {pb-cle} GAETEK-CINCINNATI   FRIDAY 8/18/2000
> >>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 18:11:46 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
> >>
> >>
>>is this going to be at Top Cats?


FRIDAY AUGUST 18, 2000
CINCINNATI, OH
CLUBHEAD RECORDS presents: AN INTIMATE EVENING WITH...
GAETEK aka Gaetano Parisio-NAPLES, ITALY
Gaetek has recorded for such widely acclaimed techno labels as Drum Code,
Conform, Primate, Planet Rhythm and Art as part of an extensive production
and dj career. Dont miss this master of minimal techno in an exclusive and
ultra-rare US dj appearance as part of his current world tour
also:
BOB-A-DOB-CINCINNATI
REACT-CINCINNATI
ORACLE-CINCINNATI

VENUE: TBA-CALL THE INFO LINES
513.648.9647   YUM-YUM
513.665.9999   CLUBHEAD RECORDS
513.682.3282   SUBSONIK


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Aight.  Serious Inquiries only.  Preferred if I have some odd contact with you... (ya'll know who you are.)

WANTED:  Able bodies for the weekend of august 26th-27th.  10am-6pm.  Located in the Chicago Loop area. (monroe and wabash area.)

I need at least 2-4 people for that weekend who are familiar with hooking up computers to an ethernet connection (DHCP.) and doing minimal troubleshooting.  

Basically you'd be helping students hook up their computers to our network as they move in... so no remote access business.  Simply plug the RJ into the wall, make sure they're hitting the net and if they're not... knowing possibly why.

pay would be on an hourly basis and we can discuss that in private.

dress comfortable but presentable.  and I love this... must have good (two pairs of fingers in tha air) people skills.  

and more importantly... I'm more opt to hire those who I have a little bit of knowledge of... I mean I consider most of you my extended fam so rock n' roll... but this is also a reflection of me... so whoo hoo.

if you're interested email me privately.

entro

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In a message dated 8/16/00 10:27:29 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
x_Misty_x@excite.com writes:

<< I am leaving Friday after work for a very well deserved week long vacation
 to Siesta Keys, Florida...Does anybody have any suggestions on night life
 there or anything fun to do besides the obvious? How is the scene there?
 This will be my first time to Florida...I am soo excited...
 
 I may never return ;)
 
 Miztie >>


    I wouldnt get too excited Miztie. I lived in Tampa for 2 yrs...  I will 
be amazed if you come back and found someone who actually knows what techno 
is down there. There is only a handful... the rest... are break freak eface 
8ups.
Not only to mention.... its hurricane season down there.. like 82349048390289 
billion degrees everyday....its so humid that you cant breathe and only wish 
to be inside in the air. The gulf is too warm to swim in.. cant get cooled 
off there. + it POURS everyday.

Have fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go to Ybor City in Tampa (only like 30-45 min from sarasota) and experience 
how fucked up it is.  Advice... go to the jazz bars and drink some rona's... 
stay away from the Break clubs.. Im sure you will see lil ravers rolling in 
the streets of Ybor...they are too young to get in the clubs so they stand 
outside to be cool.
 
I wish I could give you my friends phone #'s there who actually know what 
good music is, but they don't go out at all there. They stay inside creating 
their own music while the rest of Fl thrives on Breaks and Trance and Shittay 
House.

On a positive note:  Siesta Keys are beautiful... enjoy the sunsets!!!

: )

Lorie 

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please forward any photographs you might have of our savior, steven y. 
tsang, to this address.

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oohh oohh! me too!

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Subject: Re: [mw] NRR: Florida vacation

I actually had a DJ friend down there who spun house and jungle.  Then she 
got fed up and moved to Brooklyn.  Hehehe.

My reccomendation (through her) is to stop through jacksonville.  It's about 
the only place that isn't break-crazy.  She was tryin to get my house-ey ass 
booked down there when she moved.  Ah well...  As far as on the keys, I 
couldn't tell ya shit.

 - Soniq


<<     I wouldnt get too excited Miztie. I lived in Tampa for 2 yrs...  I 
will 
 be amazed if you come back and found someone who actually knows what techno 
 is down there. There is only a handful... the rest... are break freak eface 
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Subject: [mw] NRR:  What is our world coming to.

OK, check this out.  I thought the flower kids were bad in the 60's.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/baby000816.html

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Subject: Re: [mw] Fw: GAETEK-CINCINNATI FRIDAY 8/18/2000

 I know people as far away as Kansas City who were considering driving out to hear him. Don't take
this the wrong way, but when a promoter consistently books the same DJ's or style of DJ's, it may
be hard for them to get their crowd to accept something they aren't as used to. I'm probably
going, as are a few of my friends. I hope to see a decent turn-out, too. I guess what I'm trying
to say is, don't be discouraged if the crowd's a little thin. Booking Gaetek is only risky because
the local scene hasn't been exposed to nearly as much techno compared to other styles (at least
until fairly recently). For example, if the last 10 "Gobble"'s had featured more (any?) techno
acts you'd probably be guaranteed a good crowd. I do appreciate the chance to hear him, though,
and wish you luck. I think Dave Clarke and Claude Young got a decent, if not phenomenal, response?




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Subject: [mw] DIRECTIONS TO JOHN B. @ LIFT-CINCINNATI THURSDAY 8/17/2000

Thursday, August 17, 2000
LIFT/CLUBHEAD RECORDS presents:
   JOHN B.-UK
   Dont miss this rare US appearance of this up and coming drum and bass
madman. With tracks on Formation, Beta and New Identity among others his
productions skills are in demand and his dj
appearances are on the rise. Expect a night of upfront tracks from one of
the leaders of the drum and bass sound.

LOCATION: BIG RED SPORTS CAFE   217 CALHOUN ST. CINCINNATI
18+ WITH ID, ADMISSION: $10
513.665.9999-CLUBHEAD   513.648.9647-YUM YUM    513.956.0750-STILLFRESH

*we apologise for bouncing the locations around for the past few
weeks...negotiations are in progress for a new and exciting permanent
venue...look for an announcement soon...this week, the big red sports cafe
was kind enough to help us host JOHN B and his masterful blend of unique
tracks...the directions are as follows courtesy of mapquest

from DAYTON, OHIO and I-75 NORTH of Cincinnati
Get on I-75 SOUTH for 46.7 miles
Take the MITCHELL AVE exit, exit number 6, towards ST BERNARD.   0.2 miles
 Turn LEFT onto W MITCHELL AVE.   0.4 miles
 Turn RIGHT onto VINE ST.   1.2 miles
Turn SLIGHT LEFT onto GLENMARY AVE.   0.0 miles
 Turn SLIGHT LEFT onto VINE ST.   0.8 miles
 Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto JEFFERSON AVE.   0.5 miles
 Turn RIGHT onto CALHOUN ST.   0.3 miles to 217 CALHOUN (ON LEFT SIDE)

from INDIANAPOLIS, IN and I-74 WEST of Cincinnati
Get on I-74 EAST for 97.1 miles
Take the I-75 SOUTH/US-52 EAST exit towards LEXINGTON.   0.2 miles
Merge onto I-75 S.   0.6 miles
Take the US-52 EAST/HOPPLE ST exit, exit number 3, towards (US-27
SOUTH)/(US-127 SOUTH).   0.3 miles
Turn LEFT onto HOPPLE ST.   0.2 miles
Turn SLIGHT LEFT onto MARTIN LUTHER KING DR.   0.9 miles
Turn RIGHT onto CLIFTON AVE.   0.5 miles
Turn LEFT onto W MCMILLAN ST.   0.3 miles
Turn LEFT onto KLEINE ALLEY. or any side street after KLEINE ALLEY for the
next 1/2 mile or so then make a left onto CALHOUN and proceed to 217 CALHOUN
on the left (if you get to the mad frog at a big intersection, go left, then
make your next left to get on CALHOUN and proceed straight to 217 CALHOUN)
Turn LEFT onto CALHOUN ST.   0.0 miles

from LOUISVILLE, KY and I-75 SOUTH of Cincinnati
Get onto I-71 NORTH for 96.8 miles
Take I-75 N towards DAYTON.   0.3 miles
Take the US-50 WEST exit, exit number 1G, towards RIVER RD/LINN ST.   0.2
miles
Merge onto 6TH ST VIADUCT.   0.1 miles
Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto GEST ST.   0.2 miles
Turn RIGHT onto LINN ST.   1.1 miles
Turn LEFT onto CENTRAL PKWY.   0.1 miles
Turn RIGHT onto RAVINE ST.   0.5 miles
Turn RIGHT onto W MCMILLAN ST.   0.5 miles
Turn LEFT onto KLEINE ALLEY. or any side street after KLEINE ALLEY for the
next 1/2 mile or so then make a left onto CALHOUN and proceed straight to
217 CALHOUN on the left (if you get to the mad frog at a big intersection,
go left, then make your next left to get on CALHOUN and proceed straight to
217 CALHOUN)

from COLUMBUS, OH and I-71 NORTH of Cincinnati
Get onto I-71 SOUTH for 102.9 miles
Take the TAFT RD exit, exit number 3.   0.4 miles
Merge onto WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT RD.   0.7 miles
WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT RD becomes CALHOUN ST.   0.3 miles
Proceed straight to 217 CALHOUN on the LEFT



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On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, atomly wrote:

> I believe the soundtrack was done by Mike.

which mike?

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I hear the Everglades have a pretty cool scene! I don't know if you'll be anywhere near there but
I bet the nightlife is spectacular.. Check it out:

http://www.gorp.com/gorp/resource/US_National_Park/fl_everg.HTM

You could even rent yourself a houseboat.. 



 


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mike schank (sp?) the perma-stoned side kick of the director.  watch
american movie for more details.

when the oriental theater ran coven and american movie mike was there...it
was really surreal to see mike standing beneath a large american movie
poster with him on it.  the best part was i really don't think he noticed he
was right in front of it...heheh

    -bill
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Subject: [mw] CROP CIRCLES    SEPTEMBER 9 2000   DES MOINES IA


We've brought you some of the best talent from coast to coast, and now we're 
bringin' some of the best in the world.  Crop Circles will be an event that 
will shatter the boundaries of what you expect out of a Des Moines party.

9.9.00 9pm-6am DM,IA 
invasion party series 04:

SLOBODAN Shokoy Records, Compound Records, SubSounds Records
                                                                 Sweden       
                               Techno
PATRIK SKOOG OF HEADROOM
                                                                  Shokoy 
Records, Evil Deception, Compound Records
                                                                      Sweden  
                                   Techno
Submerge 101 World Domination Tour, 101 Crew, Industrial Strength Records
                                                                   Chicago    
                                         Techno                         
Chocolate (The Freaky AfroNaut)  House of Babylon, Physix Records, 
log2soundsystemdjs        
                                                                              
                       Indianapolis                  House
Soren  Liqwid Sound             Louisville                    Trance
Astrix (a.k.a. Double X)      DICA           St. Louis                   
Techno
Dan Dave  House of Babylon, SubWarped Records    Indianapolis      Drum n Bass
Eric Yeager  Boogie Knights                 St. Louis               House
Scott Stone  Brothas n Sistas, Noise Radio     Iowa City     Techno
nnothing  the Invasion, EQualeyez, TJL     Iowa City         Techno
Kernel Scurry  the Invasion, Subconscious Collective Des Moines  Happycore
Rorschach  the Invasion, Wheels-Within-Wheels    Iowa City    Techno 
tranarek Strung Out Productions, CL9UD, English Ent.    Kansas City   Hardcore
Digital Killer the Invasion, Subconscious Collective      Des Moines     
Trance
Dj Sarah Belle DICA                St. Louis                    Trance
2 rooms with 40,000 watts of the loudest, clearest sound ever assembled in a 
Des Moines party, along with a laser and better lights than ever before.
price: $13 presale available at Mid Air and Ink in down-town Des Moines
          $ 15 at the door with a canned food donation
          $ 18 at the door without
info:            the Invasion                            515.830.1893
      Boogie Knights  (St. Louis)                  314.567.2041
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Join IA-Raves...  send a blank email to  ia-raves-subscribe@egroups.com
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Subject: [mw] Live broadcast this weekend.

So here we are again, getting close to the weekend.
For those of you getting ready to get your rave on on
Saturday, I'll be doing a live real audio broadcast
from 5:00 PM till 7:00 PM EST.
Drill's the same. Make sure you have a Real Player G2
or higher and 28.8 kbps connection or higher. Open
your browsers. Go to http://listen.to/leetradio.
Follow the links to Radio and click on Live to start
the stream. =) There will be dj's before and after so
please tune in at any time and enjoy. Feedback is
always welcome and please check out my archived real
audio set from leetradio at djtsar.com.

Spank ya very much
Misha / Tsar

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Subject: [mw] The Underground

Warning: big long message :)

Ok.. I got a question for all of you (and something to talk about other
than St*v** T):

There's always talk on here about how the 'underground' rave scene is
dead, etc.  We all know that raves aren't really underground anymore.
Not only that, the crowd at raves isn't what it was back in the day,
either.  The crowd used to consist of a mixture of college kids, geeks,
artists, freaks, club kids, and a few middle class teenagers.  Now it's
mostly thugs and white trash and drugged out 16 year olds.

Back then.. even just a few years ago.. very few people knew what a
rave was.  There had been little media attention, so if you weren't
attached to the chain by someone else who knew what was going on
you'd never even know this little subculture existed.

So the topic for today is:

Where's the underground now?  What little subcultures exist today
that almost nobody really knows about?

I know of only a few things, and none of them really strike me as
being truely as underground as the rave scene once was.  The goth
scene around here is pretty underground-- you don't hear much about
it and there are some people quite into it.  There's also a few other
underground scenes like 'Circuit Parties' (which are mainly gay
unless I'm wrong) but those have been around for a while and are
underground mostly because they cater to a 'special' (e.g. gay)
clientelle.  There are always gonna be your underground fringe
subcultures that border on cults, but they aren't really underground
for the same reasons either.  (occult secret societies, etc.)

I'm thinking more along the lines of underground musical/artistic
subcultures.  Things like the rave scene once was.

Of course I guess when they're truely underground it's usually before
anyone has slapped a name on them yet.  :)

It's also true that they tend to be cyclic.  There tends to be a big one

about every 25 years or so, give or take 10.  There might not really
be one right now.. at least none with the massive potential and energy
of the rave culture.  We might be between waves.. coming to the end
of the last wave and into a little lull period before the next one.

And on a related note, any speculations as to what the next one might
look like?  It's really hard to predict such things, but one method of
prediction might be to look at the drugs and/or mental states that are
related to each subculture and to what circuits or states of
consciousness
they correspond to.  For instance, the subculture 25 years previous to
this one used LSD and other 'psychedelics' quite extensively, and those
tend to correspond to certain states of consciousness.  This one was
chemically related to a serotonergic stimulant and corresponded to an
empathetic and stimulated state of consciousness.

All we might have to ask to see what the next one will be is: what
states or 'circuits' of the mind have yet to be activated in a mass
subculture setting?  And, what chemicals, rhythms, or other technologies

might be developed (or already exist?) for activating them?

Then all you'd need to combine is: the right psychotechnology to
activate the next unactivated mental circuit, a new form of art or
music that tended to go along with that state, and a few new styles
of clothing and appearance.  Voila!  Instant youth subculture
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Subject: [mw] Book These Guys......NOW!!

A big, wet, sloppy kiss froms yours truly is in store for anyone who
books DDR or Julian Liberator.  Pretty please?? 

oh yea, almost forgot....................ACIDTECHNOUPYOURARSE
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In a message dated 8/17/00 7:16:37 AM !!!First Boot!!!, omegavariant@juno.com 
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> oh yea, almost forgot....................ACIDTECHNOUPYOURARSE

Oh, then you'll LOVE Rowland Tha Bastard coming in Indy on Oct 7th!!!

-Brandon B. Harris
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> All we might have to ask to see what the next one will be is: what
> states or 'circuits' of the mind have yet to be activated in a mass
> subculture setting?  And, what chemicals, rhythms, or other 
> technologies
> 
> might be developed (or already exist?) for activating them?
> 
> Then all you'd need to combine is: the right psychotechnology to
> activate the next unactivated mental circuit, a new form of art or
> music that tended to go along with that state, and a few new styles
> of clothing and appearance.  Voila!  Instant youth subculture
> movement!
i wouldn't mind nootropics catching on, and starting a nice chill,
underground where
the audience interacts directly with the sound, whatever form it is in, and
we break down 
those damn lines of audience/performer.
and we'd have lots of smart people.
yeah!
psychotechnology + art form = fashion and subculture

great!


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Could anyone help me out with some information about any parties going on in 
the Omaha, Lincoln, Council Bluffs Area of Nebraska this weekend?   Please 
let me know ASAP, cuz I am making plans for the weekend right now..

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Er, either that, or you would have lots of stupid ppl making bad music! ;)

Lowest common denominator hugs,

Rob


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> All we might have to ask to see what the next one will be is: what
> states or 'circuits' of the mind have yet to be activated in a mass
> subculture setting?  And, what chemicals, rhythms, or other 
> technologies
> 
> might be developed (or already exist?) for activating them?
> 
> Then all you'd need to combine is: the right psychotechnology to
> activate the next unactivated mental circuit, a new form of art or
> music that tended to go along with that state, and a few new styles
> of clothing and appearance.  Voila!  Instant youth subculture
> movement!
i wouldn't mind nootropics catching on, and starting a nice chill,
underground where
the audience interacts directly with the sound, whatever form it is in, and
we break down 
those damn lines of audience/performer.
and we'd have lots of smart people.
yeah!
psychotechnology + art form = fashion and subculture

great!


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> Er, either that, or you would have lots of stupid ppl making 
> bad music! ;)
i already have that part of the scene covered!
nothing is more fun than being a stupid people making bad music!


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SHAZAM!
SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2000
INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA
18 hour all-day/night music festival
noon-midnight at Exposition Hall (Indiana State Fair Grounds)
free after-hours from midnight-6am for ticket holders!

Scarab Records and Muzique Boutique join superpowers once again in order to 
bring you one of the largest events Indiana has ever seen.  On Saturday, 
September 9th, 2000, our forces will be meeting here in Indianapolis at The 
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and become a part of music history . . . SHAZAM!

Featuring . . . 

SIR MIX-A-LOT
Def American Recordings - Seattle, WA
He's the Seattle rapper who brought you "Baby Got Back," 1992's Grammy 
winning, double platinum hip hop ode to beautiful women.  After first 
appearing on the scene in 1985 with the novelty hit “Square Dance Rap,” Mix 
eventually helped push hip hop into new realms with his 1992 album “Mack 
Daddy” which sold over 2.5 million copies and counting.  Sir Mix-A-Lot proves 
in both "Mack Daddy" and his 1994 "Chief Boot Knocka" that there is a clear 
difference between nasty sexism and healthy lust.  He redeems his sexy rhymes 
with a unique intelligence and a clever sense of humor.  Still, for a while, 
there was no respect for Mix-a-Lot when his fleshy video “Baby Got Back,” was 
temporarily banned from MTV.  Not one to rest on his previous triumphs, Sir 
Mix just released his groundbreaking, ballbusting, all-new fifth album, 
Return of the Bumpasaurus.  His new album is the next giant leap in the 
evolution of a rapper who has constantly pushed hip hop into new territories. 
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whole lot more than big butts!"  We’ll see about that!

NEIL LANDSTRUMM
Scandinavia/Tresor/Peacefrog - Edinburgh, Scotland
One of Europe's most talented techno DJs/producers making a VERY rare 
appearance in the US and his first in Indianapolis!

PLANET BASS TOUR
DJ FUNK - Funk Records/Atlantic Jaxx/XL Recordings/UC Music - Chicago
DELTA 9 - Boogie Tribe/Discolicious - Chicago
PAUL ANTHONY - Boogie Tribe/Discolicious - Chicago
FRANKIE VEGA - Mushgroove/SHR/Remains/Blue Line - Chicago

THE MUDKIDS (Live) - Crush Entertainment/Surf Records - Indianapolis
REVOLUTION 9 (Live) - Scarab Records - Indianapolis
SLATER HOGAN - Muzique Boutique - Indianapolis
BOB-A-DOB - Clubhead/Lift - Cincinnati
STAN DOUBLIN - Kindred Groove - St. Louis
CHRIS MC - Muzique Boutique - St. Louis
MATT BANDY - Scarab Records/SUBterror - Lexington
CHOCOLATE - House of Babylon - Indianapolis
DANIEL CERVANTES - Transparent - Chicago
PHASE - Scarab Records - Indianapolis
JONATHAN KEITH - Scarab Records - Indianapolis
K-STEP - House of Babylon - Indianapolis
MIKE DONOVAN - Bounce Theory - Dayton
DJ REACT - Subsonik - Cincinnati
SRVO - Malfunction Productions - Columbus
NOTTY - BRB/Xanadu - Indianapolis
DNA - Scarab Records - Indianapolis
VARSHA - Scarab Records/SUBterror - Indianapolis

Ambient Room
RONALD BAILEY - Scarab Records - Chicago

After-hours:  After-hours will be held by Fab Five Productions.  After-hours 
will begin at midnight and last until 6am.  Directions to after-hours will be 
given out at midnight at Exposition Hall.
This after-hours will be a full scale party held in a virgin venue!
Free admission for SHAZAM! ticket holders only!

SHAZAM! will be held in The Exposition Hall at The Indiana State Fair Grounds 
near downtown Indianapolis.
Location:  38th and Fall Creek
Capacity:  10,000
Time:  noon - midnight/midnight - 6am  (This will be an 18 hour all-day/night 
music festival!)
Rooms:  One large arena and one giant stage!

Admission:  Pre-sale tickets are available through TicketMaster at all 
TicketMaster locations for $23 (you can also purchase tickets on-line at 
www.ticketmaster.com or you can call your local TicketMaster location - 
Indiana:  317.239.5151) Tickets will also be sold at the door the day/night 
of the show for $30.
KABOOM!!!  Fully loaded arsenal of sound, three times as big as any system 
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X-103 will be using their X-Ray vision on unsuspecting party-goers while 
broadcasting live interviews on the air from the event!

Scarab Records and Muzique Boutique will be giving away Scarab Records and 
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For more information contact Scarab Records @

Scarab Records
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317.290.7477
scarabrecords@aol.com
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The Scarab Boys



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This Saturday, August 19_00

KONCEPT & PURE invite you to LIFT…The Sound of Saturday Night

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Featuring…
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SABEO
JOHN PATTERSON
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REDNOFIVE @ 440 N. Halsted (at Halsted and Hubbard)
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Um, did he just close with "plurr?" I mean...He must've forgotten where he
posted...?

fucka "plurr,"

Miztie

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>  Could anyone help me out with some information about any parties going on
in 
>  the Omaha, Lincoln, Council Bluffs Area of Nebraska this weekend?  
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>  let me know ASAP, cuz I am making plans for the weekend right now..
>  
>  plurr
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Subject: Re: [mw] The Underground

Dude, you are a God, or at least a minor Diety. I think aboiut this ALL the 
time, like almost every day. Part of it is genuine curiousity, part of it is 
ego, I consider myself pretty aware of the evolution of contemporary pop 
culture, particularly youth culture, and couldn't stand thinking that I've 
missed out on an important development.


>There's always talk on here about how the 'underground' rave scene is
>dead, etc.  We all know that raves aren't really underground anymore.
>Not only that, the crowd at raves isn't what it was back in the day,
>either.  The crowd used to consist of a mixture of college kids, geeks,
>artists, freaks, club kids, and a few middle class teenagers.

An interesting aside that generally supports your hypothesis: in Detroit, 
which is a majority black city, the party crowd used to be majority black 
(oir at elast 50/50). And much older, like 20+. This is when parties weren't 
condiered raves, and drugs played only a minor part. Around the time that 
Mr. Hawtin started being a major draw in the city, white people began to 
make up a bigger portion of the crowd, and younger people (teens). I can 
remember when I was one of the youngest people at "the party" (being 18 or 
19), and then only a year or two later, I was older by far than most people 
there.

Now it's
>mostly thugs and white trash and drugged out 16 year olds.

Which is why we're seeing all these 20/20 specials, and why the DEA has 
begun to focus on controll MDMA. MDMA used to be a fringe drug, now it like 
a high school rite of passage to go to a rave and roll. This trend has 
"mainstreamed" the drug.

>
>Back then.. even just a few years ago.. very few people knew what a
>rave was.  There had been little media attention, so if you weren't
>attached to the chain by someone else who knew what was going on
>you'd never even know this little subculture existed.

>So the topic for today is:
>
>Where's the underground now?  What little subcultures exist today
>that almost nobody really knows about?
>
>I know of only a few things, and none of them really strike me as
>being truely as underground as the rave scene once was.  The goth
>scene around here is pretty underground-- you don't hear much about
>it and there are some people quite into it.  There's also a few other
>underground scenes like 'Circuit Parties' (which are mainly gay
>unless I'm wrong) but those have been around for a while and are
>underground mostly because they cater to a 'special' (e.g. gay)
>clientelle.  There are always gonna be your underground fringe
>subcultures that border on cults, but they aren't really underground
>for the same reasons either.  (occult secret societies, etc.)
>
>I'm thinking more along the lines of underground musical/artistic
>subcultures.  Things like the rave scene once was.
>
>Of course I guess when they're truely underground it's usually before
>anyone has slapped a name on them yet.  :)
>
>It's also true that they tend to be cyclic.  There tends to be a big one
>
>about every 25 years or so, give or take 10.

Ithink mor eoften than that. there's subcultures, and then there's trends. 
Somehting that everyone has to do to feel adequate and hip but that they 
don't necessarily explore or contribute to. I've always been a fan of Punk 
Rock (since I was 12) and I can remeber when punk "came back" in the early 
90's (just before the rave thjing blew up). All the old punk bands like All 
were like "wow I wish Pumnk Rock would have gotten us this many groupies ten 
years ago" that's almost a direct quote from an article in Spin that i still 
have somewhere. In any case, punk rock was "the thing to do". A few years 
later, it's rave. There's massive subculture phenomenon, such as rave and 
the hippy/free love thing, and there's trends, such as punk in the early 
90's and disco.

There might not really
>be one right now.. at least none with the massive potential and energy
>of the rave culture.  We might be between waves.. coming to the end
>of the last wave and into a little lull period before the next one.
>
>And on a related note, any speculations as to what the next one might
>look like?

I'd love to know... Maybe it's out there waiting for you to create it?
Or maybe this brings us to another phenomenon, and perhaps problem, of 
contemporary pop culture. Rather than becoming ensconced in a particular 
form, or identifying with a style or genre of music/art/style and exploring 
it, most people seek to enter one, experience it for a very brief time in a 
rather superficial way and move on to the next one like so many 
dopplegangers.

This brings us to the theory of post-moderninsim, if I'm not mistaken.
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anyone have any pictures you could send me from drop bass' millenial dawn??? i'm
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Hugh G. Blaze wrote:

-->Dude, you are a God, or at least a minor Diety. I think aboiut this ALL the 
-->time, like almost every day. Part of it is genuine curiousity, part of it is 
-->ego, I consider myself pretty aware of the evolution of contemporary pop 
-->culture, particularly youth culture, and couldn't stand thinking that I've 
-->missed out on an important development.
-->
-->
-->>There's always talk on here about how the 'underground' rave scene is
-->>dead, etc.  We all know that raves aren't really underground anymore.
-->>Not only that, the crowd at raves isn't what it was back in the day,
-->>either.  The crowd used to consist of a mixture of college kids, geeks,
-->>artists, freaks, club kids, and a few middle class teenagers.

Perhaps you'll all call me a freak ('cept maybe j3s), but i just read
an article in Entertainment or some other equally abominable rag about
the culture that surrounds Phish shows.  It's basically a throwback to
the Grateful Dead's travelling cult that followed them from show to
show... selling drugs, grilled cheese, tie-dye, hemp necklaces and
shit like that.  Living out of a van and doing anything for a
ticket...

What if we're all missing out? What if us pop-culture whores who keep
saying stuff like 'stinky hippies' are actually missing out on 'the
next big thing'.

nah... i doubt it ;)

one love,
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> What if we're all missing out? What if us pop-culture whores who keep
> saying stuff like 'stinky hippies' are actually missing out on 'the
> next big thing'.
at risk of being called a hippie...i've been to a couple phish shows.
i enjoyed myself.
people were nice.
of course first couple parties i went to i thought everyone was nice too.

it was a nice change of scenery

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Subject: [mw] it's funny. laugh. now, dammit.

http://www.theonion.com/onion3628/infograph_3628.html

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Ok. I'm getting a lot of people asking me if phatfest is still on.  And one 
of the DJ's is wondering about his time slot.  I'm not sure why people ask me 
about it, since I'm not even going.  Ah well.  Does anyone have a number for 
the promoters?  I guess they aren't doing well with answering emails. but I'm 
sure they're mad busy at this point, too.

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I've been to several Phish shows and the other bands that Phish-heds go to
(String Cheese Incident, Widespread Panic ect) I really enjoy the music and
whatever else... Call me a hippie if you want, but I have worn tie-dies to
raves...
peace
John
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> > What if we're all missing out? What if us pop-culture whores who keep
> > saying stuff like 'stinky hippies' are actually missing out on 'the
> > next big thing'.
> at risk of being called a hippie...i've been to a couple phish shows.
> i enjoyed myself.
> people were nice.
> of course first couple parties i went to i thought everyone was nice too.
>
> it was a nice change of scenery
>
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On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 01:42:23PM -0400, Griggles wrote:
> Perhaps you'll all call me a freak ('cept maybe j3s), but i just read
> an article in Entertainment or some other equally abominable rag about
> the culture that surrounds Phish shows.  It's basically a throwback to
> the Grateful Dead's travelling cult that followed them from show to
> show... selling drugs, grilled cheese, tie-dye, hemp necklaces and
> shit like that.  Living out of a van and doing anything for a
> ticket...

I was actually just talking to Hellige about this the other night
because they were airing a Phish concert on VH1.  

I have a lot of friends that have spent the last few years in the
parking lots of Grateful Dead shows selling hippie food (this weird
peanut butter macaroni thing and grilled cheese sandwiches) and balloons
making enough money to go from show to show and they absolutely love it.

As much as I hate a lot of stuff about Phish's music, I really have to
respect the fact that an "experimental" band which has chosen to remain
somewhat underground is still able to be so successful.  It's nice to
know that you can still be a musician without having any videos on MTV,
even if you have to do it by playing a vacuum cleaner solo to a bunch of
drugged up freshman frat boys in white hats with hemp necklaces.

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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:
<< DING! We have a winner!!!!
 
 Now, certainly, I am sure you wouldn't think that I was some sort of plant
 to come get you.. ;)
 
 FWIW, not to be a one-upper, but Im sure whatever you have been through is
 quite pale to the treatment I and many others have recieved. I know of
 instances where the military would definitely look bad. Ppl have and others
 still could lose careers. >>

apologies for my late response, but my ex decided to slip me something
that knocked me out til now...i swear, this girl is a true psycho-bitch
that would do anything for her love of money and drugs and not much
else.

not so quick, there GI Joe!...notice i did say: "if what you say is true"...

time to take the stand Ollie North...you claim the scene had changed
you...what parties in particular opened your eyes to the joy of dancing
with instead of killing so many different people?...what songs inspired 
you to think that much harder about yourself and your part with the 
enlightenment of the rest of the world?

and you claim your sacrifices have been much deeper than my 
martyrdom...how so?...and do you not get special priveledges now
from your past military background?



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Next time, cut your rolls down to two and you won't forget! ;p

Miztie


On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:34:52 -0500, kalbrecht@fleckcontrols.com wrote:

>  
>  anyone have any pictures you could send me from drop bass' millenial
dawn??? i'm
>  a dumb-ass and left my camera in the car.
>  
>  
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On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 02:16:45PM -0500, Intraveinous wrote:
> I've been to several Phish shows and the other bands that Phish-heds go to
> (String Cheese Incident, Widespread Panic ect) I really enjoy the music and
> whatever else... Call me a hippie if you want, but I have worn tie-dies to

Widespread Panic, Moe and all those other silly bands are decent but I'm
sick of hearing my hippie friends talk about them.  :)

I'd have to say the best of those bands is, by far, Medeski, Martin and
Wood, though...  They have some really damn good stuff and not nearly as
annoying a following as Dave Matthews Band.  :P

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On Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 04:09:47 PM EDT, OneBadDJ@aol.com wrote:

Ah well.  Does anyone have a number for 
> the promoters?  I guess they aren't doing well with answering emails. but I'm 
> sure they're mad busy at this point, too.
> 
>  - Soniq

One of the biggest promoters in the Ohio and Indiana area just told me earlier today that the reason that none of the people know whats going on with PhatPhest is cuz the promoter is in jail. Now this hasn't been confirmed by me personally, but the person who told me is definetly in the know as far whats going on with what party (especially this one) and is always right about this shit. Oh by the way, they also told me that the 5000 presales is a lie.

starting the rumor mill
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api@relaymail.net writes:

<< So the topic for today is:
 
 Where's the underground now?  What little subcultures exist today
 that almost nobody really knows about? >>

lol, i know where it is...but the true underground is smart enough
to know how not to post it on a list ridden with military agents,
power trippin free-masons, and sheisters who are only motivated
by greed and profit!

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i've decided to make a point of getting away for a few weekends a year to
different areas of the country... the first scheduled stop is NYC - from
Sept 28 to Oct 1.  Tickets have been purchased and hotel reservations have
been made via priceline, so the dates are as solid as stevie t is annoying.

what sort of stuff do i not want to miss?  i've been there before, but that
was 10 years ago and my idea of excitement at that time was running around
the city having weird adventures w/o getting shot.

actually, come to think of it, i still like that.

checking himself for bullet holes,
-t

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 << this is not the underground, this is a
  mailing list to dispense information at least
  *marginally* connected with a scene which has become
  the domain of suburban thugs and the crackheads you
  rail against.  
  I don't care even if your claim that you started the
  scene is true. the scene now is so vastly different
  from the one that existed when you were active that
  even if you were to release your psychosis and begin
  to write lucid messages not concerned with free masons
  and the like, you still wouldn't have anything to
  contribute except the occasional statement concerning
  the *HISTORY* of raving.
  you're a leech on this mailing list and i feel guilty
  for actually writing you back. sorry to all who will
  receive this message after having blocked stevie from
  their email.  i don't plan on writing him again.
  as a closing note, get over yourself, get a job, and
  start taking thorazine.
  
  from the one and only White-Supremist, Skull and Bones
  member, NSA-Operative, Free Mason.
  
  plur baby
  
  =====
  Bob Tieman
  
  "What is good? All that elevates the feeling of power, the will to power, 
the power itself in man."
  "What is bad? All that proceeds from weakness."
                                - Friedrich Nietzsche >>
 
 well if it isn't our favorite misquoting power freak?!
 
 you free-masons love trying to decieve the world into your 
 master plan don't you?!
 
 sorry, to bust your big ole head, but nobody is buying your
 crack-rock tirades anymore...the truth has been exposed!!
 
 so why don't you and your power trippin cronies go back to
 the drawing board and try to whip up another sheisty plan to 
 rape the world? 

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Holyspirit069@aol.com wrote:

> api@relaymail.net writes:
>
> << So the topic for today is:
>
>  Where's the underground now?  What little subcultures exist today
>  that almost nobody really knows about? >>
>
> lol, i know where it is...but the true underground is smart enough
> to know how not to post it on a list ridden with military agents,
> power trippin free-masons, and sheisters who are only motivated
> by greed and profit!

Sheister?  Isn't that an anti-semitic term?

Anti-semitism?  From the one always railing against racism?

But I know what you're really all about.  You constantly post all
this conspiracy stuff to the list which we all know was concocted
by a right-wing neo-nazi conspiracy!!!  All that 'freemason new-
world-order' crap is just a rehash of the old 'Jewish bankers
conspiracy' that was preached by the Nazis!

(Actually, this post is half-serious... the ones spreading conspiracy
theories are usually the real conspiracy...  Hitler and the early Nazis
did indeed spread conspiracy theories remarkably like the ones
presently being circulated by the American right-wing fringe.  Just
substitute 'Jewish bankers' for 'freemasons' and 'occultists' and
you'll pretty much have the exact same thing.)

Adam Ierymenko

33 degree Scottish Rite Freemason, 10=1 order of the
Bavarian Illuminati, A.`.A.`., Thule Society, CIA, NSA, FBI,
Knights Templar, Order of the Snake, Jewish Bankers
Conspiracy (honorary member.. I'm not Jewish), OTO,
Vatican, Federal Reserve, and Phalcon/Skism.

Werd.



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Hehe, Tony, yer tha shiznit! I know that one of your trips had better be to
Cincinnati so we can get our drank on!!

=)
Miztie

On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:39:50 -0500, Tony Sebion wrote:

>  i've decided to make a point of getting away for a few weekends a year to
>  different areas of the country... the first scheduled stop is NYC - from
>  Sept 28 to Oct 1.  Tickets have been purchased and hotel reservations
have
>  been made via priceline, so the dates are as solid as stevie t is
annoying.
>  
>  what sort of stuff do i not want to miss?  i've been there before, but
that
>  was 10 years ago and my idea of excitement at that time was running
around
>  the city having weird adventures w/o getting shot.
>  
>  actually, come to think of it, i still like that.
>  
>  checking himself for bullet holes,
>  -t
>  
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"Topping, Micah (Mastech)" wrote:

> > Then all you'd need to combine is: the right psychotechnology to
> > activate the next unactivated mental circuit, a new form of art or
> > music that tended to go along with that state, and a few new styles
> > of clothing and appearance.  Voila!  Instant youth subculture
> > movement!
> i wouldn't mind nootropics catching on, and starting a nice chill,
> underground where
> the audience interacts directly with the sound, whatever form it is in, and
> we break down
> those damn lines of audience/performer.
> and we'd have lots of smart people.
> yeah!
> psychotechnology + art form = fashion and subculture
>
> great!

Yep...

Psychotechnology + Art = Subculture

The art and psychotechnology have to go together somehow of course.
For instance, techno music and ecstasy went together very well.

That's why I suggested that you might be able to take a peek ahead at
future subcultures by thinking about what combinations of psychotechnology
and art have not yet been tried.

Nootropics sound interesting...  have you any experience with them?  Do
they really work well enough to form the basis for something like this?

Hmm.. if Nootropics (smart drugs for those that don't know) could actually
increase intelligence.. like the ability to percieve subtilety, then then kind
of
arts that could go along with these would be subtile and meaningful arts.
Things like poetry, subtile long-attention span music, sculpture, heavily
metaphorical writing, etc.

I've heard there's been a revival of interest in poetry readings.  Anyone
wanna combine beatnik-style poetry and art sessions with smart drugs?

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Griggles wrote:

> Perhaps you'll all call me a freak ('cept maybe j3s), but i just read
> an article in Entertainment or some other equally abominable rag about
> the culture that surrounds Phish shows.  It's basically a throwback to
> the Grateful Dead's travelling cult that followed them from show to
> show... selling drugs, grilled cheese, tie-dye, hemp necklaces and
> shit like that.  Living out of a van and doing anything for a
> ticket...
>
> What if we're all missing out? What if us pop-culture whores who keep
> saying stuff like 'stinky hippies' are actually missing out on 'the
> next big thing'.

Nah.. stinky hippies are in the past.  Phish is just doing what the
Grateful Dead did.

BTW, on a side-note.. anyone ever think about the resemblence
between these little music-and-drug cults and ancient mystery
religions?  I was thinking about this a while ago... Phish shows,
the Grateful Dead, Raves, etc. are probably a lot like what ancient
religions were like.



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ha, i have a layover there if you wanna meet @ the airport for a bit...

I arrive in Covington, KY at noon 9/28 on delta flight 5616 and my
connection doesn't leave until just before 3pm (delta 322).  flight numbers
included just so y'all can watch the news and know if i was on the plane
that got jacked er whatever.

anyway... if you've never gotten a priceline ticket b4, i totally recommend
it.  a good starting point for pricing out tickets is less than 1/2 of
retail, and i've never had to go over that amount by more than $5.  the NY
tickets worked out to just over $100 each round trip, retail w/o taxes was
$274 each i think.  i'm hoping to check out a few other new scenes this way
in the next few months.

-t

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I know that one of your trips had better be to
Cincinnati so we can get our drank on!!

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I've always said that we need a beat poet freestyle MCing to ambient in a chill
room somewhere.  :-)


Tom

Adam Ierymenko wrote:

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> I've heard there's been a revival of interest in poetry readings.  Anyone
> wanna combine beatnik-style poetry and art sessions with smart drugs?
>
> :)
>
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Read "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" for a bit on this.  It delves into
how the Merry Pranksters (and acid rock acid rock scene) paralleled Jesus
and his Disciples.


Tom

Adam Ierymenko wrote:

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> between these little music-and-drug cults and ancient mystery
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Subject: Re: [mw] You recognize this sound? [The Underground]


 [warning: this is lengthy - those of you there in back who are here for the free buffet might
want  to go grab a smoke or something... and bring me back some hors d'ouerves, please? ]


 "Underground" ..such a loaded term. I can't deny the smug, elitist sort of feeling I get from
being aware of something so obscure, that I find so much beauty in. It's hard to not feel proud of
that knowledge, to not feel somehow closer to the source of.. what exactly? The most current
manifestation of creativity in modern culture? That's probably more than a little ambitious (not
to mention ostentatious), and certainly too general for what is almost exclusively a musical
subculture. At the same time, most artistic movements seem to have a definite style of music
associated with them. I think this bears mentioning because rave culture seems to have focused so
heavily on *just* music, in the form of current DJ culture, that it may be at least partially
responsible for its state of decay. A recent discussion of techno and visual art on another
mailing list was interesting in that most of the artists named as examples were from the 1960's
and 70's. Of course, there are other more obvious reasons.

 The history of punk music offers a useful model for comparison. What I think happened, [for the
sake of reference, rather than an attempt to score more worthless "old school" points, I started
listening to punk in the mid-1980's] is that the various styles splintered as the scene lost
momentum due to numerous factors - extremely self-destructive and nihilistic behavior on the part
of both artist and audience being an obvious one, and the marketing coup of MTV and mall based
chain music stores being another, perhaps less documented one. Also, a majority of the fan base
simply "grew up" and started listening to disposable feel-good fluff.  I think all of these
factors have parallels in the rave scene, some more obvious than others. Also, I think the
increasingly widespread distribution of electronic music, via both the internet and more
traditional mediums, is removing some of the emphasis on the DJ as the sole purveyor of new
"underground" music. The effects of this on mainstream media, as the recent Napster controversy
demonstrates, are still being felt. I think the same thing may occur on a smaller scale with
electronic dance music.

 Whether or not the reasons for the decline of both musical subcultures are the same is not as
important as the eventual results. In both cases, the style of music has splintered into countless
divergent styles, many of which even seem mutually exclusive to their respective fans. I think the
same phenomenon occured in the punk scene (put skinheads and punks into a crowded bar, add
Agnostic Front live; you might want to hide the pool cues and beer pitchers first). What I think
is most important to note is that several years later some of these resultant sub-genres achieved
widespread popularity in their own right, represented by labels such as Lookout, Sub-Pop, and
Dischord, to name a few. I think the same thing may be happening to electronic music, but this
time the major record labels are much smarter. Having learned from their mistakes (and success) in
their battle to regain control of popular music, they have created "synthetic" copies of the
sub-genres they deem marketable, and attempted to buy out (or just plain old steal) anything they
couldn't easily duplicate. (See; Underground Resistance vs. Sony/BMG)

 So what am I getting at? I don't think there currently *is* any one, true, unblemished
underground movement. Perhaps there never is. Rather, I think we are in a state of flux in which
these divergent styles are being recombined in new ways. How these might form into another major
shift in popular music is debatable; although European markets seem more accepting of electronic
music I think they still have not achieved the massive commercial success of more traditional
styles of music. Perhaps what we are witnessing is more than the gestation of yet another popular
youth culture? I think as we make the transition into what some have called a multiplex society,
on a global level, the creative expressions of our culture will become more akin to what we have
experienced ourselves in our own little much-maligned subculture. Perhaps rave culture is the
pebble tossed into the pond.. Or one of many such stones? Anyhow..

 Back here on Earth, I know a few people scattered around the midwest, and a handful here in
Cincinnati, that are making music that defies my best attempts to describe it. If fate shines upon
us, perhaps I'll be able to play it for you soon and let you form your own opinion. Whether or not
our particular brand of electronic noise is the catalyst for a "scene" is of very little concern
to us. We make beats, we play the beats for others, perhaps they enjoy them enough to perpetuate
them further. Maybe they even become inspired to create their own, and stun us with their unique
variations. Cycles..







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 Phish shows,
the Grateful Dead, Raves, etc. are probably a lot like what ancient
religions were like.

right on.....and the christians didn't like THEM one bit either!!!



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api@relaymail.net writes:
 
 << Sheister?  Isn't that an anti-semitic term?
  
  Anti-semitism?  From the one always railing against racism?>>
 
 um, no!!...it simply means one who is shiesty!!...like Adam Ierymenko,
 the sheister who tries to twist words around because he truly is an
 evil bastard!!
  
 <<But I know what you're really all about.  You constantly post all
  this conspiracy stuff to the list which we all know was concocted
  by a right-wing neo-nazi conspiracy!!!  All that 'freemason new-
  world-order' crap is just a rehash of the old 'Jewish bankers
  conspiracy' that was preached by the Nazis!>>
 
 are you tripping?
 
  <<Adam Ierymenko
  
  33 degree Scottish Rite Freemason, 10=1 order of the
 Bavarian Illuminati, A.`.A.`., Thule Society, CIA, NSA, FBI,
 Knights Templar, Order of the Snake, Jewish Bankers
 Conspiracy (honorary member.. I'm not Jewish), OTO,
 Vatican, Federal Reserve, and Phalcon/Skism.>>
 
 more like...
 
 33rd degree Russian Sheister, Computer Dork Loser,
 who can only feel better by trying to put others down
 because he's a goober who can't get a date to save
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||Medeski, Martin and Wood

Hell yeh! Great stuff, and it's not their fault if hippies tend to follow them. Lord knows they've
got to follow something, in their stinking little pseudo-gypsy bongwater-conversion-microbus
caravans. 





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> > I've heard there's been a revival of interest in poetry readings.  Anyone
> > wanna combine beatnik-style poetry and art sessions with smart drugs?

i'm down. we actually did a few parties in urbana in 97 that had readings
at them (mostly just me), but they were nowhere near the artsy level i
think we are talking about ;)

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Subject: [mw] Ersatz releases Le Car Anthology

You can hear about half the Cd in RealAudio at:

http://www.ersatzaudio.com/html/disco/ezcd13.html

Sorry if you're on their list and got this already..


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Hah!  Beautiful!

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The following is an actual excerpt from this month's Forbes Magazine:


A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo, and when the
herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are
killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole,
because the general speed and health of the whole is maintained, or even
improved by the regular culling of the weakest members.  In much the same
way, the human brain can operate only as fast as the slowest brain cells
through which the electrical signals pass.

Recent epidemiological studies have shown that while excessive intake of
alcohol kills off brain cells, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain
cells first. Thus, regular consumption of beer helps eliminate the weaker
cells, constantly making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.  The
result of this in-depth study verifies and validates the causal link between
all-weekend parties and job related performance. It also explains why, after
a few short years of leaving a university and getting married, most
professionals cannot keep up with the performance of the new graduates.
Only those few who stick to the strict regimen of voracious alcoholic
consumption can maintain the intellectual levels that they achieve during
their college years.

So, this is a call to arms. As our country is losing its technological edge,
we must not shudder in our homes. Get back into the bars.  Quaff that pint.
Your company and country need you to be at your peak, and you shouldn't deny
yourself the career that you could have.

Take life by the bottle and be all that you can be.

Forward this to all of your friends, acquaintances and co-workers that may
be in danger of losing their edge.

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A man must believe in something.  I believe I will have a beer.



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> Hah!  Beautiful!

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That's why my brain don't work quite right.

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"Hugh G. Blaze" wrote:

> An interesting aside that generally supports your hypothesis: in Detroit,
> which is a majority black city, the party crowd used to be majority black
> (oir at elast 50/50). And much older, like 20+. This is when parties weren't
> condiered raves, and drugs played only a minor part. Around the time that
> Mr. Hawtin started being a major draw in the city, white people began to
> make up a bigger portion of the crowd, and younger people (teens). I can
> remember when I was one of the youngest people at "the party" (being 18 or
> 19), and then only a year or two later, I was older by far than most people
> there.

So where are all the sorts of people who used to attend raves in D-town
hanging out now?

> >I'm thinking more along the lines of underground musical/artistic
> >subcultures.  Things like the rave scene once was.
> >
> >Of course I guess when they're truely underground it's usually before
> >anyone has slapped a name on them yet.  :)
> >
> >It's also true that they tend to be cyclic.  There tends to be a big one
> >
> >about every 25 years or so, give or take 10.
>
> Ithink mor eoften than that. there's subcultures, and then there's trends.
> Somehting that everyone has to do to feel adequate and hip but that they
> don't necessarily explore or contribute to. I've always been a fan of Punk
> Rock (since I was 12) and I can remeber when punk "came back" in the early
> 90's (just before the rave thjing blew up). All the old punk bands like All
> were like "wow I wish Pumnk Rock would have gotten us this many groupies ten
> years ago" that's almost a direct quote from an article in Spin that i still
> have somewhere. In any case, punk rock was "the thing to do". A few years
> later, it's rave. There's massive subculture phenomenon, such as rave and
> the hippy/free love thing, and there's trends, such as punk in the early
> 90's and disco.

The thing that seems to differentiate the massive subculture phenomenon
from the trend is that the subculture phenomenon is usually centered around
something truely new.  The 'hippy free love thing' was truely new in the 1960s.

The rave thing was truely new in the 1990s.  Totally new forms of music,
totally new ideas, totally new ways of living, and usually also new
psychotechnologies.

I don't want to get flamed off the list by saying this, cause I don't know all
that much about punk or disco.. but neither of these things stikes me as
being as 'totally new' as the hippy thing or the rave thing.

But, both were predecessors if you look closely.

Punk pioneered the whole underground empty-warehouse-party thing.
Flyers are a punk phenomenon too.  I think most people who look at the
history of rave really overlook the huge part played by the punk scene.
I would almost name punk as the direct cultural predecessor.  Also note
that many of the same people who were involved in the punk scene became
involved in the rave scene: artists, computer hackers, urban intellectuals,
etc.

> There might not really
> >be one right now.. at least none with the massive potential and energy
> >of the rave culture.  We might be between waves.. coming to the end
> >of the last wave and into a little lull period before the next one.
> >
> >And on a related note, any speculations as to what the next one might
> >look like?
>
> I'd love to know... Maybe it's out there waiting for you to create it?
> Or maybe this brings us to another phenomenon, and perhaps problem, of
> contemporary pop culture. Rather than becoming ensconced in a particular
> form, or identifying with a style or genre of music/art/style and exploring
> it, most people seek to enter one, experience it for a very brief time in a
> rather superficial way and move on to the next one like so many
> dopplegangers.
>
> This brings us to the theory of post-moderninsim, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't think any one of us is inspired enough to create the 'next big thing.'
Indeed nobody is.  Next big things are a product of many people and
cultures coming together and nobody can predict exactly how it will turn
out.  We are dealing with collective human intelligences beyond our
comprehension manifesting through people who think they are just fooling
around or partying or creating a new kind of artwork.  :)

But, what we could do is create the *conditions* within which the next
big thing could develop.  Bring many different current trends and cultures
together in a fertile soil of new ideas and information exchange and
something will pop out.  In fact, lots of things will probably pop out.

I had an interesting idea a while ago:

Get a large outdoor space.  Something big enough for a festival.  Don't
book any music or anything.  Just rent the space, get some security, some
food/drink vendors, etc.  Set up a 'skeleton event'.. in other words, have all
the framework for an event but no theme or direction or even genre.

Then, create flyers and ads.  Gear each to a particular different subculture.
Advertise it as a rave among ravers, as a hippie concert among hippies,
as a punk show among punkers, etc.  Give it lots of different names.  In
other words lead everyone to believe that this is whatever kind of party
they want it to be.

Tell everyone there will be no official sound systems there and to bring
their own.  Also tell people to bring their own art or anything else they
want to bring and set up their own booths and renegade systems pretty
much at will.  Have some security there to make sure everything runs
ok but don't try to impose any theme or anything on it.

This is kinda already being done.  Burning man, etc.. but those still have
themes and are not quite exactly what I'm thinking.

Then just let it happen and watch the wonderous and beautiful orgy of
memetic hybridization!  An absolute brain sex orgy!

Make it a yearly event.  I'm sure lots of strange cultural mutants would pop
out of the connections formed during such a thing.  One of them might
be the 'next big thing.'

BTW, the Internet is sorta doing this already as well as festivals like
Burning Man.  I wrote an essay on this a long time ago in college called
'The End of the Majority' in which I theorized that as communication
technology expanded the number of ideas, religions, subcultures, etc.
would increase exponentially.

If n = the number of definable cultural expressions and p = the total
population
then if p is a linear curve that is approaching a level point but n is an
accelerating exponential curve than n will eventually overtake p.  In other
words, the number of definable cultural expressions will eventually meet
and then exceed the population, transforming each individual person into
their own self-contained subculture.



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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:
<< DING! We have a winner!!!!
 
 Now, certainly, I am sure you wouldn't think that I was some sort of plant
 to come get you.. ;)
 
 FWIW, not to be a one-upper, but Im sure whatever you have been through is
 quite pale to the treatment I and many others have recieved. I know of
 instances where the military would definitely look bad. Ppl have and others
 still could lose careers. >>

apologies for my late response, but my ex decided to slip me something
that knocked me out til now...i swear, this girl is a true psycho-bitch
that would do anything for her love of money and drugs and not much
else.

not so quick, there GI Joe!...notice i did say: "if what you say is true"...

time to take the stand Ollie North...you claim the scene had changed
you...what parties in particular opened your eyes to the joy of dancing
with instead of killing so many different people?...what songs inspired 
you to think that much harder about yourself and your part with the 
enlightenment of the rest of the world?

and you claim your sacrifices have been much deeper than my 
martyrdom...how so?...and do you not get special priveledges now
from your past military background?

# I had to go through some very harsh treatment. It all began with a change
in command (to a woman I might add) and I ticked her off for asking her why
my entire squad was forced to do CQ all night before one of our most
important exams. Her answer: "Because I felt like it". Needless to say, I
took it up the chain of command and got a bit of satisfaction, but not much.

 Then, a few of the females in my squad were not ready for an inspection and
made me look REAL bad. So, I made them do pushups for about 10 mins as
punishment, which I did along with them, per regulation. Had it been men, I
would have been ok, but... My sergeant AND command sergeant major were
female, and had other views.. Now, mind you, I used to drop the men in my
squad quite a bit and never had a problem.

But, with a female? My command didnt really like that idea, and forced me to
go to mental counseling because if I was willing to make females do pushups
there "MUST" be something mentally wrong with me. Mind you, they did them
all the time during physical training, which I often LED!  So, I missed out
on a lot of class to go to these sessions, but when my grades didn't drop
enough to kik me out, they tried harsher, less "regulation"-type tactics.
I'm sure most female military members are NOT like this, but these in
particular WERE. So all you ERA types just need to deal with the fact that
there are women who can be just as bad as men when it comes to rotten
behavior.. So don't try to act like I am a woman-hater or whatever, cuz that
is not the case. 

This is by no means the whole story, btw.. I only do that face to face, I
told you that. This was just the beginning of the end. There are other
things, deep, dark, disturbing things, which occurred before and after.

The song that did it all? None in particular, just walked into a rave in
Santa Cruz back in, oh, 91.. (yeah, showing my age now) and it just hit me
after about an hour of being there: What am I doing in the Army anyway? What
was this all about?

Oh and first time I heard a tb303 that night.. Thats probably what did it..
I kept saying to myself "THIS is the sound I have been looking for in my
music!!! (at the time I was in an industrial band) 


Rob
 

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Or this could also be some (and most likely is) just
your regular dose of drama...shit talk by one large
promoter about another which is so goddamn common
nowadays that it's almost pointless to pay attention
to. I talked to the main promoter of the event on the
fone 2 days ago. His name is Tim Fowler and he didn't
sound like he was talking out of a jail cell to me :)

Misha


> One of the biggest promoters in the Ohio and Indiana
> area just told me earlier today that the reason that
> none of the people know whats going on with
> PhatPhest is cuz the promoter is in jail. Now this
> hasn't been confirmed by me personally, but the
> person who told me is definetly in the know as far
> whats going on with what party (especially this one)
> and is always right about this shit. Oh by the way,
> they also told me that the 5000 presales is a lie.
> 
> starting the rumor mill
> shawne
> 
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>> i hear de la soul is coming out with a new album(s?)
>haven't heard it yet, but a friend of mine works at a record shop round here
>and said it is a big departure from earlier stuff.
>good, and different.
>
>im eager to hear it too
>

mmmmmm yes, i have it. i like it a lot.... in fact, i like it so much i think
i'll listen to it now....
i wouldnt call it a  departure from their earlier stuff, which i fucking love,
maybe just a modernized form....not *better*, just *newer* which might i add,
is also wonderful...i guess one would expect that, though, since Stakes Is High
(the previous album) came out in like 96. nevertheless, im pretty excited about
the whole thing, because according the the foldout in the cd, they're coming
out with 2 more volumes of Art Official Intelligence throught the next 2 years
(yay!)  and a remastered version of 3 Feet High and Rising (well, thats nice..)
hopefully, no more 4 year hiatuses between their albums
-val
is that the plural of hiatus? would it be hiatii? but it doesnt look right! 
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<div>&gt;im eager to hear it too</div>
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<div>mmmmmm yes, i have it. i like it a lot.... in fact, i like it so
much i think i'll listen to it now....</div>
<div>i wouldnt call it a&nbsp; departure from their earlier stuff, which
i fucking love, maybe just a modernized form....not *better*, just
*newer* which might i add, is also wonderful...i guess one would expect
that, though, since Stakes Is High (the previous album) came out in like
96. nevertheless, im pretty excited about the whole thing, because
according the the foldout in the cd, they're coming out with 2 more
volumes of Art Official Intelligence throught the next 2 years
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thats nice..) hopefully, no more 4 year hiatuses between their
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is that the plural of hiatus? would it be hiatii? but it doesnt look
right!
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Subject: [mw] new pictures and all


the netparty:
http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/pictures/partypix.html#netparty

#mw.dinner:
http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/pictures/partypix.html#mw.dinner

more demf:
http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/pictures/partypix.html#demf

other random pictures (yes, you can see my new bowling shoes):
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entro,


I will be in Europe that week, but any other time pretty much that I get a 
head of time notice, I would be willing to help you out. I am a senior 
network consultant, with loads of tech skills.. Sorry I cant be of help this 
time, but in the future perhaps??

                Much love,
                       and Endless Banter,
                              Dan Sharp (0_o)


>From: Kidentropy@aol.com
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>Subject: [mw] job opportunity / tech related
>Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:52:19 EDT
>
>Aight.  Serious Inquiries only.  Preferred if I have some odd contact with 
>you... (ya'll know who you are.)
>
>WANTED:  Able bodies for the weekend of august 26th-27th.  10am-6pm.  
>Located in the Chicago Loop area. (monroe and wabash area.)
>
>I need at least 2-4 people for that weekend who are familiar with hooking 
>up computers to an ethernet connection (DHCP.) and doing minimal 
>troubleshooting.
>
>Basically you'd be helping students hook up their computers to our network 
>as they move in... so no remote access business.  Simply plug the RJ into 
>the wall, make sure they're hitting the net and if they're not... knowing 
>possibly why.
>
>pay would be on an hourly basis and we can discuss that in private.
>
>dress comfortable but presentable.  and I love this... must have good (two 
>pairs of fingers in tha air) people skills.
>
>and more importantly... I'm more opt to hire those who I have a little bit 
>of knowledge of... I mean I consider most of you my extended fam so rock n' 
>roll... but this is also a reflection of me... so whoo hoo.
>
>if you're interested email me privately.
>
>entro
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Subject: Re: [mw] Phatfest

Just a little observation here.  

I know nothing about this party.  I don't even know
who is playing or where it is suppose to be.  With
this in mind I say the following.

Usually when a party sells 5000 presales tickets there
is a major buzz about said party.  Multiple list are
talking about said party and there are tons of topics
about it.  

If this party has sold 5000 presales it is the
quietest 5000 ever because I have heard absolutely
nothing about this party except for this drama.  I'm
on multiple lists so that is suprising. I also play
all over the country and have never seen a flyer.  

With that said, I find it hard to believe that they
sold 5000 presales.  I may be wrong but the facts are
pointing against it.  Nothing against the promoters
because I have no idea who they are.  Just offering an
observation from my 9 years experience in the scene.


--- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Or this could also be some (and most likely is) just
> your regular dose of drama...shit talk by one large
> promoter about another which is so goddamn common
> nowadays that it's almost pointless to pay attention
> to. I talked to the main promoter of the event on
> the
> fone 2 days ago. His name is Tim Fowler and he
> didn't
> sound like he was talking out of a jail cell to me
> :)
> 
> Misha
> 
> 
> > One of the biggest promoters in the Ohio and
> Indiana
> > area just told me earlier today that the reason
> that
> > none of the people know whats going on with
> > PhatPhest is cuz the promoter is in jail. Now this
> > hasn't been confirmed by me personally, but the
> > person who told me is definetly in the know as far
> > whats going on with what party (especially this
> one)
> > and is always right about this shit. Oh by the
> way,
> > they also told me that the 5000 presales is a lie.
> > 
> > starting the rumor mill
> > shawne
> > 


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Subject: [mw] FRIDAY 8/18/00 GAETEK-CINCINNATI DIRECTIONS

the directions for GAETEK's appearance in cincinnati are below...the venue
this time is at top cats on short vine near the University of Cincinnati
campus, the directions folow this message if you dont know how to get
there...it should be a good night and ive heard good reviews about a couple
of gaeteks other north american appearances...hes a smooth mixer with white
label access to the finest techno labels in the world...if you like techno
miss this at your peril...i will more than likely be playing electro early
instead of techno so the night should have more than enough aggressive
cutting edge sounds to go around...if you want to meet up with us as kind of
a mini net meet hit me back privately

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
djoracle@onebox.com
www.zap.to/djoracle [under const.]
www.icast.com/member/djoracle

FRIDAY AUGUST 18, 2000
CINCINNATI, OH
CLUBHEAD RECORDS presents: AN INTIMATE EVENING WITH...
GAETEK aka Gaetano Parisio-NAPLES, ITALY
Gaetek has recorded for such widely acclaimed techno labels as Drum Code,
Conform, Primate, Planet Rhythm and Art as part of an extensive production
and dj career. Dont miss this master of minimal techno in an exclusive and
ultra-rare US dj appearance as part of his current world tour
also:
BOB-A-DOB-CINCINNATI
REACT-CINCINNATI
ORACLE-CINCINNATI

$10.00 admission/18+ w/ valid ID
VENUE: TOP CATS-SHORT VINE-CINCINNATI-DIRECTIONS FOLLOW THIS EMAIL
513.648.9647   YUM-YUM
513.665.9999   CLUBHEAD RECORDS
513.682.3282   SUBSONIK

from DAYTON, OHIO and I-75 NORTH of Cincinnati
Get on I-75 SOUTH for approx 49 miles
Take the US-52 EAST/HOPPLE ST exit, exit number 3, towards (US-27
SOUTH)/(US-127 SOUTH).   0.3 miles
Turn LEFT onto HOPPLE ST.   0.2 miles
Turn SLIGHT LEFT (straight through lights @ white castle going uphill) onto
MARTIN LUTHER KING DR.   0.9 miles
Turn RIGHT onto CLIFTON AVE.   0.5 miles
Turn LEFT onto W MCMILLAN ST. approx 1 mile
Turn LEFT onto VINE ST at the set of lights in front of the MAD FROG bar
(big fluroescent
green building)
Go STRAIGHT through one set of lights and after the parking lot and in front
of the BP make a right.
At the stop sign go LEFT onto SHORT VINE and Top Cats is down on the right
next to the fire station.

from INDIANAPOLIS, IN and I-74 WEST of Cincinnati
Get on I-74 EAST for 97.1 miles
Take the I-75 SOUTH/US-52 EAST exit towards LEXINGTON.   0.2 miles
Merge onto I-75 S.   0.6 miles
Take the US-52 EAST/HOPPLE ST exit, exit number 3, towards (US-27
SOUTH)/(US-127 SOUTH).   0.3 miles
Turn LEFT onto HOPPLE ST.   0.2 miles
Turn SLIGHT LEFT (straight through lights @ white castle going uphill) onto
MARTIN LUTHER KING DR.   0.9 miles
Turn RIGHT onto CLIFTON AVE.   0.5 miles
Turn LEFT onto W MCMILLAN ST. approx 1 mile
Turn LEFT onto VINE ST at the set of lights in front of the MAD FROG bar
(big fluroescent
green building)
Go STRAIGHT through one set of lights and after the parking lot and in front
of the BP make a right.
At the stop sign go LEFT onto SHORT VINE and Top Cats is down on the right
next to the fire station.

from LOUISVILLE, KY and I-75 SOUTH of Cincinnati
Get onto I-71 NORTH for 96.8 miles
Take I-75 N towards DAYTON.   0.3 miles
Take the US-50 WEST exit, exit number 1G, towards RIVER RD/LINN ST.   0.2
miles
Merge onto 6TH ST VIADUCT.   0.1 miles
Turn SLIGHT RIGHT onto GEST ST.   0.2 miles
Turn RIGHT onto LINN ST.   1.1 miles
Turn LEFT onto CENTRAL PKWY.   0.1 miles
Turn RIGHT onto RAVINE ST.   0.5 miles
Turn RIGHT onto W MCMILLAN ST. approx 1 mile
Turn LEFT onto VINE ST at the set of lights in front of the MAD FROG bar
(big fluroescent
green building)
Go STRAIGHT through one set of lights and after the parking lot and in front
of the BP make a right.
At the stop sign go LEFT onto SHORT VINE and Top Cats is down on the right
next to the fire station.

from COLUMBUS, OH and I-71 NORTH of Cincinnati
Get onto I-71 SOUTH for 102.9 miles
Take the TAFT RD exit, exit number 3.   0.4 miles
Merge onto WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT RD.   0.7 miles
WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT RD becomes CALHOUN ST.   0.3 miles
When you see the big parking lot for BLOCKBUSTER/KROGER, make a
RIGHT turn onto VINE, then make your NEXT RIGHT.
At the stop sign go LEFT onto SHORT VINE and Top Cats is down on the right
next to the fire station.


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Subject: [mw] Ride to DarkCyde

Thanks for all the help people with what is going on this weekend.  I have 
decided that I am going to make the trip to Des Monies and check out the 
party there.  If anyone needs a ride, let me know cuz I will be coming from 
sioux falls, so i-29 and i-80..  email so we can make plans.

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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: The Underground

god damnit stop changing email addresses, my block sender list is getting
way too long
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> api@relaymail.net writes:
>
>  << Sheister?  Isn't that an anti-semitic term?
>
>   Anti-semitism?  From the one always railing against racism?>>
>
>  um, no!!...it simply means one who is shiesty!!...like Adam Ierymenko,
>  the sheister who tries to twist words around because he truly is an
>  evil bastard!!
>
>  <<But I know what you're really all about.  You constantly post all
>   this conspiracy stuff to the list which we all know was concocted
>   by a right-wing neo-nazi conspiracy!!!  All that 'freemason new-
>   world-order' crap is just a rehash of the old 'Jewish bankers
>   conspiracy' that was preached by the Nazis!>>
>
>  are you tripping?
>
>   <<Adam Ierymenko
>
>   33 degree Scottish Rite Freemason, 10=1 order of the
>  Bavarian Illuminati, A.`.A.`., Thule Society, CIA, NSA, FBI,
>  Knights Templar, Order of the Snake, Jewish Bankers
>  Conspiracy (honorary member.. I'm not Jewish), OTO,
>  Vatican, Federal Reserve, and Phalcon/Skism.>>
>
>  more like...
>
>  33rd degree Russian Sheister, Computer Dork Loser,
>  who can only feel better by trying to put others down
>  because he's a goober who can't get a date to save
>  his life!
>
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this is underground...

http://mulletsgalore.com

click on the porn mullets link

scroll all the way to the bottem

...and we've got bush!

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Subject: [mw] My mom said it was cool if I go to I, ROBOT

I, ROBOT
Saturday, August 19, 2000
Indianapolis, Indiana

Scarab Records is proud to present I, ROBOT

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Subject: Re: [mw] Phatfest

ive heard from tim fowler within the past 48 hours so im sure hes not it jail

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Subject: [mw] more pictures


got a post this morning from someone with links to a shit-ton of pictures from
parties,  started with "pubnix.......blah blah....."  our network is all fucked
and it got deleted, can anyone tell me what the address was?



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i  recomend hittin burrito loco in the village on 4th and 6th
best fuckin magarita in the city :-) (and the foods pretty good to)

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] i knead info
>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:39:50 -0500
>
>i've decided to make a point of getting away for a few weekends a year to
>different areas of the country... the first scheduled stop is NYC - from
>Sept 28 to Oct 1.  Tickets have been purchased and hotel reservations have
>been made via priceline, so the dates are as solid as stevie t is annoying.
>
>what sort of stuff do i not want to miss?  i've been there before, but that
>was 10 years ago and my idea of excitement at that time was running around
>the city having weird adventures w/o getting shot.
>
>actually, come to think of it, i still like that.
>
>checking himself for bullet holes,
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> i  recomend hittin burrito loco in the village on 4th and 6th
> best fuckin magarita in the city :-) (and the foods pretty good to)

And if you like Chinese food... go to Wo Hop... that is all :)

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Subject: Re: [mw] more pictures

At 15:10 18-8-00, you wrote:

>got a post this morning from someone with links to a shit-ton of pictures 
>from parties,  started with "pubnix.......blah blah....."  our network is 
>all fucked and it got deleted, can anyone tell me what the address was?

www.pubnix.org/~jes

Or...

www.suckthatmotherfuckerdry.com

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  I have admitedly limited experience with nootropics
(espically with spelling them ;) but I can tell you
from the ones I like to use any movement involving
their use would have to be exceedingly complex to take
full advantage of them.  It's amazing how aware you
become and how much usless crap you can remember and
think up while using smart drugs.  I can only speak
from personal experience since I don't know anyone
else who has tried them (my friends either don't like
any drug or they don't want to try anything so
obscure)  Most people I have talked to don't have any
idea what they are so they would be perfect for an
underground movement.
  Like I said eariler any music or art involved in
this kind of movement could be very complex because
these complexities could be noticed and appreciated. 
Electronic music is good but some of it is too simple
(but still good ;) and there is not much I've seen
visually out there to create the type of stimulation
desired when using nootropics.  It's like you want to
push your sences to their limits because you realize
exactly how underused they are.
  I say screw trying to predict the next movement or
to try and find what is there now and may be the next
big thing.  I am going to put on my thinking cap and
get a few friends together and make the next movement.
 I know I will have forgoten this bold statement
shortly after going to sleep in an hour or two but I
really hope that I really can be an inovator.  I am
sick of being a follower but I dream big and know I
will be too wrapped up in the new episode of Powerpuff
Girls to start the new underground scene.  Even if i
tried would anyone care.  People seem so intent on
being mainstreem or part of a group.  How many people
want to risk leaving the familiar to start something
new and take such a risk.  I guess I'll have to be
content being a "johnny come lately" because that's
all most people ever get to be :(  The only thing I
can say that I liked back in the day is....shit I'm
too young to have been involved in anything back in
the day.... does the internet of 8 years ago count. 
No I guess not because while people made fun of the
internet as some silly geek thing my access was
through Prodigy how very "hardcore".  well at least I
remember when gophers were commonplace.   Good night
I'm going to go work on being creative.  Have a spiffy
day.  Good lord it sounds like I forgot to take my
prozac or something eh you know I'm not depressed just
tired.

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Who is the hot boy with the goatee in this picture?

Gasps,

Miztie

http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/partypix/netparty2.jpg


On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:38:38 -0400 (EDT), jes wrote:

>  
>  the netparty:
>  http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/pictures/partypix.html#netparty
>  
>  #mw.dinner:
>  http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/pictures/partypix.html#mw.dinner
>  
>  more demf:
>  http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/pictures/partypix.html#demf
>  
>  other random pictures (yes, you can see my new bowling shoes):
>  http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/new.html
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> Who is the hot boy with the goatee in this picture?
> Gasps,
> Miztie
> http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/partypix/netparty2.jpg

hahahahaha! that's jeff ;)


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hey everyone! anyone interested in carting a fancy lady to red, please
lemme know. i be livin in mke. anyone be going my way?

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> If this party has sold 5000 presales it is the
> quietest 5000 ever because I have heard absolutely
> nothing about this party except for this drama.  I'm
> on multiple lists so that is suprising. I also play
> all over the country and have never seen a flyer.  

Actually, I have seen the fliers here in St. Louis,
and no offence Misha, they are the worst looking
fliers I have seen in a long time, the pixelation is
almost equal to an Atari.
And of course its the usuall candy Yoshi bullshit.

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times are rough=)
im thinkin bout selling my car. anyone want a 86 cavalier? it runs. thats
about all the good things i can say about it. it has a cracked windshield
too. got a hundred fitty bones? live in the mke area?  email me private
like.

love,
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--
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    jonathan voigt -- (313) 793-3417
____________voigt@pubnix.org_____________

If life is a waste of time, and time is a 
 waste of life, then let's all get wasted 
 together and have the time of our lives. 
    -- Armand's Pizza, Washington, D.C. 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 08:03:20 -0000
From: Sally  <sally@net-data.com>

The first time I stepped into Velvet, I was overwhelmed by the 
melodic tunes of Terrence Parker....I don't remember the song, it's 
not even important now--all that matters is that I danced all night. 
I met friends that I will remember forever and always hold a dear 
place for them in my heart.  There are still many former velveteers 
that I didn't know their name, but every week we smiled at each other 
as we grooved across the dance floor. 

That night changed my life....

That man that I have now grown to love and cherish, whom I look up to 
as  someone I hope to someday be like, made a speech when his set was 
over. The words he spoke touched me so deep.... He started off by 
saying that it's all about the music...and how it's not about getting 
all dressed up, and going out to the clubs to try to find some 
guy/girl to go home with...it's about sharing the music.....and then 
he continued to say that it's about getting high off the music--how 
we don't need drugs...we just need to listen and love.....

velvet changed to tonic...new owners...new ideas--people that didn't 
care about the music, didn't care about us--so T.P. left...and 
hometeam sundays were put on hold---

BUT YOU CAN'T STOP THE MUSIC!!! I feel so honored to share with you 
all that hometeam sundays are back! It's now called Euphoria--and it 
starts August 27 at Karma (woodward and 9 mile) :) It's still 18+ 
This is a beautiful, spacious club....i know that it doesn't really 
matter to us where it's at...we, people who know what it's like to 
love music so much that we would pack ourselves into a wharehouse 
just so we can groove all night to wonderful music--

it's that same vibe--the same love--the same man....always 
remember....you can never stop the music....

If you need to get ahold of me for more information email me at 
daydreamerzzz@yahoo.com (sally@net-data.com is broken)

thank you for taking the time to read this

sally



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Subject: Re: [mw] My mom said it was cool if I go to I, ROBOT

If I have to read this one more fucking time I'm going to blow your party 
up.

>
>I, ROBOT
>Saturday, August 19, 2000
>Indianapolis, Indiana
>
>Scarab Records is proud to present I, ROBOT
>
>TOBOR
>The Telesonic Robot, by Scarab
>Command TOBOR, The Telesonic Robot, with your space control module.  Watch
>him move forward, backward and beyond with just the click of a button.  
>Press
>the glowing Scarab on his chest, and watch him really go into action, as 
>his
>battle sounds bleep and his red flashing lights twirl around the room.  
>TOBOR
>can also learn to speak.  Record words and phrases into TOBOR's telephonic
>data recorder and astound your friends!  TOBOR, the walking, talking
>battle-bot by Scarab.
>
>TOBOR, The Telesonic Robot, another great product by Scarab . . . ages 5 
>and
>up,
>batteries not included.
>
>
>Featuring . . .
>
>KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>KMS/Planet E/Pias - Detroit
>Join us for an intimate evening with Kevin Saunderson.  One of Detroit's 
>Holy
>Trinity, along with Juan Atkins and Derrick May, Kevin helped shape the 
>sound
>and future of techno.  We are proud to bring you this legend of electronic
>music for his first appearance ever in Indianapolis.
>
>THE STICKMEN
>Stickman Records/Aquarius - Toronto
>
>GEOFFE
>V2 Records/Frenzy Records - New York City
>
>REVOLUTION 9 (Live)
>Scarab Records - Indianapolis
>
>JONATHAN KEITH
>Scarab Records  - Indianapolis
>
>stage two . . .
>
>DJ NOSTALGIC
>Floorgasm/Boogie Squad - Dayton
>
>DJ REACT
>Subsonik - Cincinnati
>
>PHASE
>Scarab Records - Indianapolis
>
>RONALD BAILEY
>Scarab Records - Chicago
>
>TOP SPEED VS. SONIC
>(The Ultimate Hip-Hop Battle!) - Crush
>
>K-STEP VS. ISAMU
>(The Ultimate D&B Face-off!) - House of Babylon
>
>
>I, ROBOT will be a two room event held in a large legal venue near downtown
>Indianapolis!
>
>Lots of beeps, bleeps and flashes by Log!
>Ultra-plasmic video screens by Static Transfusion!
>Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot Warriors will act out the battle of the century
>on stage - an intermission you don't want to miss!
>
>Scarab Records will be giving away toy robots to the first one billion 
>people
>through the door.  Get there early to receive your FREE toys!
>
>TICKETS:
>Tickets are $25 at the door
>$5 OFF WITH "ROBOT COUPON"
>Robot Coupon can be found on all I, ROBOT flyers
>Limit one coupon per person.  Valid the night of I, ROBOT only - 08-19-00
>
>For more information contact Scarab Records @
>
>Scarab Records
>317.767.5103
>317.290.7477
>scarabrecords@aol.com
>www.scarabrecords.com
>
>If you would like to be on our mailing list please e-mail us at the address
>above or call our information line.
>
>Thank You
>
>The Scarab Boys
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] i knead info

If you like house (not chesse but deep, soulful) you MUST go to body and 
soul at Vinyl. It's south of Houston on the way west side, like a few blocks 
off the river. The exact street it is on escapes me, it may even be River 
St. It is a sunday thing from like 12 noon to 6 p.m. A MUST!
There's a little free mag called "flyer" with complete listings. you can get 
the addy and phone number in there, dog.

If you're not in the mood for all the pomp and circumstance of a big club 
like Twilo or whatever, I would reccomend checking out a little bar called 
Drink Land. It is on 9th street or maybe 10th street between ave. A and B in 
the east village. It faces Tompkins Sqaure Park. Really fun little bar, 
great clientele, great atmosphere decent prices (for NYC) usually house or 
jungle, local DJs. Sometimes swingset plays there.

>

>>
>>i've decided to make a point of getting away for a few weekends a year to
>>different areas of the country... the first scheduled stop is NYC - from
>>Sept 28 to Oct 1.  Tickets have been purchased and hotel reservations have
>>been made via priceline, so the dates are as solid as stevie t is 
>>annoying.
>>
>>what sort of stuff do i not want to miss?  i've been there before, but 
>>that
>>was 10 years ago and my idea of excitement at that time was running around
>>the city having weird adventures w/o getting shot.
>>
>>actually, come to think of it, i still like that.
>>
>>checking himself for bullet holes,
>>-t
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Subject: Re: [mw] i knead info

If you like house (not chesse but deep, soulful) you MUST go to body and 
soul at Vinyl. It's south of Houston on the way west side, like a few blocks 
off the river. The exact street it is on escapes me, it may even be River 
St. It is a sunday thing from like 12 noon to 6 p.m. A MUST!
There's a little free mag called "flyer" with complete listings. you can get 
the addy and phone number in there, dog.

If you're not in the mood for all the pomp and circumstance of a big club 
like Twilo or whatever, I would reccomend checking out a little bar called 
Drink Land. It is on 9th street or maybe 10th street between ave. A and B in 
the east village. It faces Tompkins Sqaure Park. Really fun little bar, 
great clientele, great atmosphere decent prices (for NYC) usually house or 
jungle, local DJs. Sometimes swingset plays there.

>

>>
>>i've decided to make a point of getting away for a few weekends a year to
>>different areas of the country... the first scheduled stop is NYC - from
>>Sept 28 to Oct 1.  Tickets have been purchased and hotel reservations have
>>been made via priceline, so the dates are as solid as stevie t is 
>>annoying.
>>
>>what sort of stuff do i not want to miss?  i've been there before, but 
>>that
>>was 10 years ago and my idea of excitement at that time was running around
>>the city having weird adventures w/o getting shot.
>>
>>actually, come to think of it, i still like that.
>>
>>checking himself for bullet holes,
>>-t
>>
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>>
>
>
>Technos not dead, its just really FUCKING TIRED !!!!!!!
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plus it's  got  the jesus fish on the back.  sure to get you where you
need to go.

chad

On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, jaimmie wrote:

> times are rough=)
> im thinkin bout selling my car. anyone want a 86 cavalier? it runs. thats
> about all the good things i can say about it. it has a cracked windshield
> too. got a hundred fitty bones? live in the mke area?  email me private
> like.
> 
> love,
> jaimmie
> 
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Subject: Re: [mw] i knead info

In a message dated 8/18/00 12:37:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
hughblaze@hotmail.com writes:

<< If you like house (not chesse but deep, soulful) you MUST go to body and 
 soul at Vinyl. It's south of Houston on the way west side, like a few blocks 
 off the river. The exact street it is on escapes me, it may even be River 
 St. It is a sunday thing from like 12 noon to 6 p.m. A MUST!
 There's a little free mag called "flyer" with complete listings. you can get 
 the addy and phone number in there, dog. >>

Body and Soul runs from 4-10 pm (sometimes 11) and is on Hubbard st..  Watch 
out for sweaty topless men--they'll slime you.

[r-o-B-[o]-FUCK] *

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Subject: [mw] Make your plans now! - Sept. 6th, Activ8

Dayton, OH  9/6/00     Activ8

Denny's Creature Productions brings you a very special Activ8.  After weeks 
of great music and great people, we decided to do something even better.  So 
we worked out something w/ V2 Records and The 1200 Club, and we will be 
hosting the release party for Underworld's new video "Everybody, Everybody".  
We will be showing it on our two huge  video screens, and this will be one of 
the first places you'll be able to see it anywhere!

Also, we worked with UC Music, and we are bringing DJ Rip from Chicago.  This 
hard house master will be coming in on his latest tour in promotion for his 
new CD, "World Domination".  He also will be here to promote his new record 
label, Substance Music USA.  After touring in Italy, France, California, and 
Texas, he decided to stop off in lil' ol' Dayton to blow your mind.  

Last but not least, our man DJ Oeb will bring back his popular MC Dezz, to 
flow over some phat drum n' bass tracks.  We pride ourselves on giving you a 
lil' bit of everything, so all you breakers, dnb heads, and anyone else 
looking for a good time had better be there!

CD and giveaways as well, so get yer ass there early.

Lineup includes:

* DJ Soniq Stylz (Denny's Creature/World DJ Alliance) [House, Breaks] - Dayton
* Green Tara (Denny's Creature) [Acid Techno] - Dayton
* Rollergurl (Collective Intelligence) [Booty House] - Dayton
* Oeb f. Dezz (Invisible Sounds) [Drum n' Bass] - Dayton
* DJ Rip (UC Music/Substance Music USA) [House] - Chicago.

Cover for tonight is $7 (damn good value anywhere)
Venue: Mother Rucker's, Dayton OH
Info: 937.866.6699,  http://www.worlddjalliance.com/dcp,   OneBadDJ@aol.com
Doors open at 9 pm.  Small venue, so get there early!

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Subject: [mw] Fwd: how about twice bitch




>From: Lofiglam@aol.com
>To: hughblaze@hotmail.com
>Subject: how about twice bitch
>Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 17:08:09 EDT
>
>I, ROBOT
>Saturday, August 19, 2000
>Indianapolis, Indiana
>
>Scarab Records is proud to present I, ROBOT
>
>TOBOR
>The Telesonic Robot, by Scarab
>Command TOBOR, The Telesonic Robot, with your space control module.  Watch
>him move forward, backward and beyond with just the click of a button.  
>Press
>the glowing Scarab on his chest, and watch him really go into action, as 
>his
>battle sounds bleep and his red flashing lights twirl around the room.  
>TOBOR
>can also learn to speak.  Record words and phrases into TOBOR's telephonic
>data recorder and astound your friends!  TOBOR, the walking, talking
>battle-bot by Scarab.
>
>TOBOR, The Telesonic Robot, another great product by Scarab . . . ages 5 
>and
>up,
>batteries not included.
>
>
>Featuring . . .
>
>KEVIN SAUNDERSON
>KMS/Planet E/Pias - Detroit
>Join us for an intimate evening with Kevin Saunderson.  One of Detroit's 
>Holy
>Trinity, along with Juan Atkins and Derrick May, Kevin helped shape the 
>sound
>and future of techno.  We are proud to bring you this legend of electronic
>music for his first appearance ever in Indianapolis.
>
>THE STICKMEN
>Stickman Records/Aquarius - Toronto
>
>GEOFFE
>V2 Records/Frenzy Records - New York City
>
>REVOLUTION 9 (Live)
>Scarab Records - Indianapolis
>
>JONATHAN KEITH
>Scarab Records  - Indianapolis
>
>stage two . . .
>
>DJ NOSTALGIC
>Floorgasm/Boogie Squad - Dayton
>
>DJ REACT
>Subsonik - Cincinnati
>
>PHASE
>Scarab Records - Indianapolis
>
>RONALD BAILEY
>Scarab Records - Chicago
>
>TOP SPEED VS. SONIC
>(The Ultimate Hip-Hop Battle!) - Crush
>
>K-STEP VS. ISAMU
>(The Ultimate D&B Face-off!) - House of Babylon
>
>
>I, ROBOT will be a two room event held in a large legal venue near downtown
>Indianapolis!
>
>Lots of beeps, bleeps and flashes by Log!
>Ultra-plasmic video screens by Static Transfusion!
>Rock 'em Sock 'em Robot Warriors will act out the battle of the century
>on stage - an intermission you don't want to miss!
>
>Scarab Records will be giving away toy robots to the first one billion 
>people
>through the door.  Get there early to receive your FREE toys!
>
>TICKETS:
>Tickets are $25 at the door
>$5 OFF WITH "ROBOT COUPON"
>Robot Coupon can be found on all I, ROBOT flyers
>Limit one coupon per person.  Valid the night of I, ROBOT only - 08-19-00
>
>For more information contact Scarab Records @
>
>Scarab Records
>317.767.5103
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Whoops! Thanks, it's been about a year since I've been there. I just 
remembered it being an early gig.


>
>In a message dated 8/18/00 12:37:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>hughblaze@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< If you like house (not chesse but deep, soulful) you MUST go to body and
>  soul at Vinyl. It's south of Houston on the way west side, like a few 
>blocks
>  off the river. The exact street it is on escapes me, it may even be River
>  St. It is a sunday thing from like 12 noon to 6 p.m. A MUST!
>  There's a little free mag called "flyer" with complete listings. you can 
>get
>  the addy and phone number in there, dog. >>
>
>Body and Soul runs from 4-10 pm (sometimes 11) and is on Hubbard st..  
>Watch
>out for sweaty topless men--they'll slime you.
>
>[r-o-B-[o]-FUCK] *

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hmm, sucks that i'll miss it, leaving sunday at 6am :(  it sounds
interesting, even the sweaty part (insert stereotype here).

:p

-t

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Does anyone have any info about a party called I,Robot? I heard it's going 
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Asimov fukkin rePraZenTS d00d!

i'm so there....i'll be the one in baggy pants, a tshirt and i'll prolly
have a backpack if the fukkin security lets me bring it in.

Look for me!

i gues the next series of parties they throw are gonna be the "foundation"
series or some shiznit.

    -bill
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> Does anyone have any info about a party called I,Robot? I heard it's going
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yeah...and kevin saunderson is gonna be there and in st. louis and in 
atlanta...

fukkin superstars
dylan
aka
tranerek


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I'm saddened that Planet Bass will not be at the Golf Dome thingy on tomo=
rrow,
but who's all goin' to the Harvey Expo....raise yo hands!!!!!


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Hello and props to everyone who has supported Gravitybass.
Gravitybass, a limited edition drum & bass weekly, is held every tuesday =
night at Topcats. Your resident selectors are Mowgli every 1st and 3rd =
tuesdays and Troll every 2nd and 4th tuesdays.  Following is a list of =
events and a schedule for the September 2000. See enclosed picture of the =
flier.


Tuesday, September 05, 2000

EMBEE
LONDON, EASTSIDE RECORDS, FUZE RECORDINGS, TRUE PLAYAZ, SPLASH RECORDINGS, =
JUICE RECORDS
Embee has been DJ'ing for twelve years and producing for seven years. He =
comes from a background of old school hip hop and rare groove/funk. He =
records under the name Embee for Juice, Splash, East Side, Fuze, and True =
Playaz. He also collaborates under the name Indicas Rhythm.

He currently DJ's weekly on Essex based pirate station Cyndicut FM as well =
as playing at various Juice and Splash nights throughout the UK. Embee has =
played  all over the world. Embee continues to push forward the boundaries =
of drum and bass.  Embees DJ sets consist of fat break beats and pounding =
bass.

MK2
NASHVILLE, M.A.D. BASS RECORDINGS

MOWGLI
CINCINNATI, C.B.S., SWEAT

Located at Topcats > 2820 Vine St > 281-2005. 18 and up welcome. $5 cover. =
Doors open at 10 pm. Open until 2 am. Brought to you by: Zeropoint =
Recordings. Web: www.zeropointrecords.com. E-mail: zeropointrecords@=
hotmail.com.

--------------------------------------------


Gravitybass schedule for September:

September 12
TROLL > CBS, SWEAT
K-FREY > ZEROPOINT

September 19
RUFFDRAFT NIGHT
SPAHN
JERAMIAH

September 26
SWEAT NIGHT  =
TROLL > CBS
MOWGLI > CBS

MC'S FIRECAT, TNT AND BATRE'

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Doors open at 10 pm. Open until 2 am. Brought to you by: Zeropoint =
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hotmail.com.

Peace out . . .


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Ok.  I know its a bit late and no one may get this before going, but...if
anyone is heading up to this at Topcats tonight, feel free to say hi to me
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My mIRC is on the fritz. Every time I try to connect to my server, it says 
"You are banned from this server: install idednt". So I go to the ident box, 
check enable and it still doesn't werk. What's up? It just started doing 
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Subject: Re: [mw] Bootsie Collins in cincy

Bootsie Collins lives in Cincinnati.

He's from here. He lives here.

?

-r


>From: Trancedanz@aol.com
>To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] Bootsie Collins in cincy
>Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:29:47 EDT
>
>i wen tto see santanna and macy gray concert last night..... i flipped out
>when they brought the legendary Bottsie COllins on stage to sing some
>melodies with them. i figured he was in town for the Scribble Jam... any1 
>go
>to that???
>
>anyway Santanna was awesome live. Macy Gray would ruin her career if she
>cleared her throat and Bootsie had the crowd super hyped!!!
>
>o yeah some fuckin raver kid asked me for a 10pack of pills in line for 
>beer
>fuckin ravers
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From mw-raves-return-5969-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 19 01:41:08 2000
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Subject: Re: Re: [mw] Bootsie Collins in cincy


both dork

shawne


On Saturday, August 19, 2000 at 01:43:07 AM EDT, subsonik productions wrote:

> Bootsie Collins lives in Cincinnati.
> 
> He's from here. He lives here.
> 
> ?
> 
> -r
> 
> 
> >From: Trancedanz@aol.com
> >To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: [mw] Bootsie Collins in cincy
> >Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:29:47 EDT
> >
> >i wen tto see santanna and macy gray concert last night..... i flipped out
> >when they brought the legendary Bottsie COllins on stage to sing some
> >melodies with them. i figured he was in town for the Scribble Jam... any1 
> >go
> >to that???
> >
> >anyway Santanna was awesome live. Macy Gray would ruin her career if she
> >cleared her throat and Bootsie had the crowd super hyped!!!
> >
> >o yeah some fuckin raver kid asked me for a 10pack of pills in line for 
> >beer
> >fuckin ravers
> >
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go in and change your ident. or just email one of us your IP addy so we can check to see if you're on the banned list for some odd reason besides the fact that nobody likes you

lol..../me is just playin
shawne

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> My mIRC is on the fritz. Every time I try to connect to my server, it says 
> "You are banned from this server: install idednt". So I go to the ident box, 
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> this randomly, I didn't change anything. What should I do I am jonseng for 
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From mw-raves-return-5971-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 19 03:00:36 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] Gaetek tonight

i will be there tonight as well but getting there around midnightish. 

decided at the last minute again to go. funfun.

lauryn.

PS for all of you wondering why i am not on irc, my roommates dont have
the phone hooked up yet so therefore no computer. =D<sarcasm> fun. </sarcasm>

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Subject: [mw] thee signs


  Elijah451:     i am worried 
  Elijah451:     it's like nobody is noticing the signs 
  Elijah451:     the fire out west is so huge it has burned the area the size 
of massachusets 
  Elijah451:     knocking down power lines to cali 
  Elijah451:     another fire by a nuclear device occured...the russian sub's 
front end mysteriously caught on fire & is still submerged 
  Elijah451:     mccain has recieved skin cancer on his left arm & his head 
  Elijah451:     looks like a hospital might go bankrupt here in columbus 
  Elijah451:     i dont mean to sound like a pessimist but these are some 
pretty major calamities 
  Elijah451:     how can people not see the polarity that is growing between 
the haves and the have nots 
  Elijah451:     today i saw on tv these multi-millionares living in these 
huge mansions w/ their main worry being their next property investment & then 
this segue on people so poor that they can't afford health insurance & cant 
get treated 
  Elijah451:     am i the only one that is noticing all this? 
  Elijah451:     i read most of this off of iwon.com 
  Elijah451:     i usually follow this stuff on earthchangestv.com/breaking, 
but apparently something is wrong w/ that site now 
  Elijah451:     mccain, caine & able...this time caine should be his 
brothers keeper...we should help the russians rescue their sub 
  Elijah451:     just as we should help those that can not afford to help 
themselves 
  Elijah451:     does this sound crazy? 
  Elijah451:     one more thing in revelations... 
  Elijah451:     by the theory of relavitivity if evil men do not believe in 
God, they will consider him as the beast 
  Elijah451:     then jesus would be the first beast who wuz killed by the 
sword but later resurrected 
  Elijah451:     the second coming would be the second beast for evil men 
  Elijah451:     and in revelations he is to be like the lamb but spoke as a 
dragon 
  Elijah451:     what's scarier is only the saviour can open the book w/ the 
seven seals of the end times...the creator thereby becomes the destroyer 
  Elijah451:     but the signs should be very visible and could be stopped 
  Elijah451:     are you getting any of this or am i the only one?  

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From mw-raves-return-5973-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 19 04:34:42 2000
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>  Elijah451:     mccain has recieved skin cancer on his left arm & his head 


Yeah that shit interrupted Days Of Our Lives today as a special news
bulletin/press conference! 

Stupid state of Arizona.  Interrupting my soaps like that!  Does the media
think that just because I moved back out here they can just shove my needs
aside like that??  

I don't THINK so!

*stomps foot*

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Subject: [mw] I, ROBOT directions

Directions to 
I, Robot
Indianapolis, Indiana
August 19, 2000
Main Info Line:  317.767.5103
Doors open at 10pm

The event is located at the Consortium Foundation on the corner of Raymond 
and Sherman Street just 5 minutes south of downtown Indianapolis. 

If you are coming from the North side of town take Interstate 65 SOUTH past 
downtown Indianapolis. Get off on the RAYMOND STREET exit and take a left 
onto Raymond Street. Drive about a mile until you see an AUTO ZONE on the 
right hand side of the road. The consortium Foundation is behind the Auto 
Zone on the corner of Raymond and Sherman.

If you are coming from the south side of town take Interstate 65 NORTH to the 
RAYMOND STREET exit and take a right onto Raymond Street. Drive about a mile 
until you see an AUTO ZONE on the right hand side of the road. The consortium 
Foundation is behind the Auto Zone on the corner of Raymond and Sherman.

Here are the out of town directions!

>From Chicago take I-65 SOUTH past downtown Indianapolis to the RAYMOND STREET 
EXIT, take a left onto Raymond Street...

>From Detroit and Ft. Wayne take Highway 69 South to I-465 South to I-70 West 
to downtown Indianapolis to I-65 South to the RAYMOND STREET EXIT, take a 
left onto Raymond Street...

>From Columbus and Dayton and Richmond take I-70 West to I-65 South to the 
RAYMOND STREET EXIT, take a left onto Raymond Street...

>From St. Louis and Terra Haute take I-70 East to I-65 South to the RAYMOND 
STREET EXIT, take a left onto Raymond Street...

>From Danville and Champagne take I-74 East to I-465 South to I-70 East to 
I-65 South to the RAYMOND STREET EXIT, take a left onto Raymond Street...

>From Cincinnati take I-74 to I-465 West to I-65 North to the RAYMOND STREET 
EXIT, take a right onto Raymond Street...

>From Louisville take I-65 North to the RAYMOND STREET EXIT, take a right onto 
Raymond Street... 

...Once everyone is on Raymond Street you will be heading EAST. Drive about a 
mile until you see an AUTO ZONE on the right hand side of the road. The 
Consortium Foundation is behind the Auto Zone on the corner of Raymond and 
Sherman.

We hope to see you all there! Please drive safe!
Love,
The Scarab Boys

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I never said the flyers were good looking. I totally
agree that someone fucked 'em up huge time as far as
the resolution and the graphics are rather simple and
typical of a rave flyer =) However that shouldn't
serve as a basis to spread rumors and create drama.
That was my only point =)

misha


> Actually, I have seen the fliers here in St. Louis,
> and no offence Misha, they are the worst looking
> fliers I have seen in a long time, the pixelation is
> almost equal to an Atari.
> And of course its the usuall candy Yoshi bullshit.
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ok, now i'm curious, someone plz scan in said flyer.

-t

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Subject: Re: [mw] Phatfest


I never said the flyers were good looking. I totally
agree that someone fucked 'em up huge time as far as
the resolution and the graphics are rather simple and
typical of a rave flyer =) However that shouldn't
serve as a basis to spread rumors and create drama.
That was my only point =)

misha


> Actually, I have seen the fliers here in St. Louis,
> and no offence Misha, they are the worst looking
> fliers I have seen in a long time, the pixelation is
> almost equal to an Atari.
> And of course its the usuall candy Yoshi bullshit.
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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: how about twice bitch

In a message dated 8/18/00 10:14:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!, 
hughblaze@hotmail.com writes:

> >From: Lofiglam@aol.com
>  >To: hughblaze@hotmail.com
>  >Subject: how about twice bitch

Hmmmmm......  Why is this message that was 
OBVIOUSLY sent from LoFiGlam to Huge Blaze
PRIVATELY being forwarded PUBLICALLY!?!?!?

Wasn't THIS the same kid harping about "maturity" 
and shit???   Not a very good example of "mature".


-PhysixRecords

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Subject: [mw] Physix Records/House of Babylon Upcoming Events!

September 30th
BEAUTiFUL PEOPLE

Barbara Tucker (live), Baby Anne, Huggy (uk), Red Commi Bastard,
Chocolate (The Freaky AfroNaut), Slater Hogan, DanDave


October 7th (w/ Log2SoundSystem)
CiRCUiTRY DiViNE

Rowland tha Bastard, Pablo Gorgano, James Pennington, Wilhelm K, 
CyberSpeed, Chocolate (The Freaky AfroNaut), DanDementia, Isamu,
Blair Brown, Adam Jay, Damien, NNothing, Adam "pushy" Langhoff

November 25th
ATTACK of tha BUMPASAURUS FLExXx

Keoki, Spacegirl (live), Geezer, DMX, Chocolate 
(The Freaky AfroNaut), K-Step (w/ live vocalist and 
percussionist T-One), Korova


For more information please contact us at:

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From mw-raves-return-5979-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 19 12:50:50 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] Phatfest

go to www.phatphest.com and you can see it in all its glory

dj oracle aka daniel britt
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> ok, now i'm curious, someone plz scan in said flyer.
> 
> -t
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikhail Khaimov [mailto:dj_tsar@yahoo.com]
> Subject: Re: [mw] Phatfest
> 
> 
> I never said the flyers were good looking. I totally
> agree that someone fucked 'em up huge time as far as
> the resolution and the graphics are rather simple and
> typical of a rave flyer =) However that shouldn't
> serve as a basis to spread rumors and create drama.
> That was my only point =)
> 
> misha
> 
> 
> > Actually, I have seen the fliers here in St. Louis,
> > and no offence Misha, they are the worst looking
> > fliers I have seen in a long time, the pixelation is
> > almost equal to an Atari.
> > And of course its the usuall candy Yoshi bullshit.
> > 
> 
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From mw-raves-return-5980-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 19 17:09:45 2000
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whats going on tonight in columbus? we went to 504 and Glow last night..

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Subject: [mw] Re: {pb-cle} NRR: Important anti-politics

Subj:    {pb-cle} NRR: Important anti-politics
 Date:  8/19/00 7:50:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time
 From:  grandpa@zoominternet.net (Grandpa)
 To:    pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org ([Pb-Cle-Raves])
 
 YOU ARE BEING FED LIES!
 
 (((::~ Visual Vibe <visualvibe@stratos.net> ~::)))
 stuff like thats a bit more important than choosing between 2 people you
 would rather never hear about. ~::)))
 
 I think this is a big problem. Everybody has this belief that they only have
 2 choices, which is so untrue. The reality is that corporate media only
 displays 2 choices, but in fact there are many. Corporate media has a vested
 interest in doing this, but we won't discuss that right here or right now.
 
 Please, I beg of all voters reading this, inform yourselves better than the
 nightly news ever can, by visiting ONE SINGLE WEBSITE.
 http://www.politics1.com/p2000.htm
 
 You will be able to clearly see HOW MANY CHOICES you actually have... The
 site is rather comprehensive, with links to the offsite campaign sites of
 the candidates. READ! Don't just listen to the "blah-blah" of CNN or NBC
 news. Realize that those sources give you an extremely filtered base of
 information. Can't you do your own filtering? Can't you make your own
 choices? Isn't that what democracy is for? If you can't make your own
 choice, should you be choosing?
 
 Do you think that the riot in Philadelphia was just a bunch of rowdy kids?
 There are reasons for what has been going on, and it's because people are
 becoming more informed, and realizing that they've been screwed. If you want
 even more information, go to RockTheVote (http://www.rockthevote.com). Learn
 about the issues and see the news about what's been going on in campaign
 2000.
 
 As far as my choice goes, after much consideration I've adopted Harry Browne
 as my personal choice for president 2000. You can visit the Harry Browne
 campaign site at (http://harrybrowne2000.org) or the Libertarian Party at
 (http://www.lp.org). The Libertarian Party seeks to REDUCE the size of the
 federal government. They seek to return rights to citizens and even abolish
 the federal income tax. The libertarian party seeks to legalize drugs and
 reduce the incessant piddling of the United States in other nations'
 affairs. Please check it all out, but above all else...
 
 M A K E      Y O U R      O W N      C H O I C E ! ! !
 ...or you might end up not being able to make one at all...
 
 ~:: Grandpa
  

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Subject: [mw] Just got back from Hawaii...

and my mailbox is filled with 866 messages that is
mw-raves...thanks...anyway, I saw Don Ho while I was there...his 70th
birthday show at that...and he made some wisecrack about somebody slipping
ecstacy in his drink...anyone else ever been there?
Jerry

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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: how about twice bitch

>
>In a message dated 8/18/00 10:14:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
>hughblaze@hotmail.com writes:
>
> > >From: Lofiglam@aol.com
> >  >To: hughblaze@hotmail.com
> >  >Subject: how about twice bitch
>
>Hmmmmm......  Why is this message that was
>OBVIOUSLY sent from LoFiGlam to Huge Blaze
>PRIVATELY being forwarded PUBLICALLY!?!?!?
>
>Wasn't THIS the same kid harping about "maturity"
>and shit???   Not a very good example of "mature".
>
>
>-PhysixRecords

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From mw-raves-return-5984-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 19 20:35:40 2000
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Subject: [mw] Real Audio today

Hey all..just a reminder that I'll be doing a real
audio broadcast right now from 5 till 7 PM EST. To
access it, please make sure you have Real Player G2 or
higher, go to http://listen.to/leetradio, click on
Radio, follow the links to LIVE and enjoy =)

Any and all feedback is always appreciated =)

thanks
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good god, what have i done?

m must be insane k

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From mw-raves-return-5986-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 19 21:33:43 2000
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welcome home, skippy!!!

:)

derek.



Well it took a lot of work to be the ass that I am
And I'm pretty damn sure that anyone can
Easily, equally fuck ya over

On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, michael knight wrote:

> good god, what have i done?
> 
> m must be insane k
> 
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Subject: [mw] * ~ * cHi - tOwn rAvE sEEn?!  * ~ *

hiEe!!!  ~*~*  *i* aM a nEw*bEE tO tHe cHiCagO aReA!!  iS thErE a mAd 
pHatTiE rAvE sEEn hErE?!?  *hUgGLeZ!*

lUv,
dA sUpEr-pLuR-EE KanDEe - KaDEt!!

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From mw-raves-return-5988-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 19 22:00:31 2000
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Subject: [mw] Re: [Re: [mw] bitches, man, bitches...]

miztie wrote:
>I hope that your girl doesn't choose to change her style, like starting =
>to
sport UFOs and shit just to fit in, thinking that will change their >opin=
ion
of her. It is important to be real and once she starts to meet >more chic=
ks at
parties, maybe they won't judge her based on her taste of >clothes alone,=
 ya
feel me, dawg? ;)

um, she's sure not going to be sporting UFO's, but she did recently get a=
 pair
of awesome kikwears...  ;) honestly, she has 10000 times the style sense =
that
i do, even though recently she's been picking up on the hiphop/raver thin=
g
from me.  an no, neither of us have any illusions about scene chicks digg=
ing
her gear.  if anything, the best dressed girl is hated by the rest!

peace,
catnap


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Subject: [mw] Re: [Re: [mw] bitches, man, bitches...]

jaimmie <j-me@konfused.net> wrote:
>>>society pits women against each other.media plants a competitive seed =
 =

amoungst us. they feed off insecurities to make a buck. and, sorry to
sound like a man hater, but you men dont help. >>>

duh, that general patriarchy bullshit is in effect 24-7, i guess i sort o=
f
thought that subcultures, especially the rave scene, would have made SOME=

progress towards reversing society's programming. it seems to only intens=
ify
it. maybe i'm looking for the golden rave over the rainbow... =


do you think that the rave scene, especially raver guys help enforce the
status quo?  i know that club culture does, but the fashion is different =
and
much more exploitative.  i have such a fetish for raver girls - when i se=
e a
girl in huge pants and a hoody (or maybe a tank top) dancing liquid to an=
y
number of styles, i'm instantly in love.  it's so beautiful because it's =
not
what you see, but what you know is there - broadcast
by how she moves and carries herself.  =


is this a step forward or am i really acting as an agent of "the man"?

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Becky Wangenheim <becky@konfused.net> wrote:

>>>personally, i left everything that catnap was talking about back in hi=
gh
school 6 years ago... so that either makes me old and decrepit, or fairly=

normal. keep in mind the average age of a "raver" anymore... isn't it lik=
e 16?
of course they're gonna act like they're in high school. most of them sti=
ll
are...>>>>>

yeah becky, so did i.  that's why i'm so bugged about it now - i'm 22 and=
 i
think i'm starting to get a little too old for this silly shit.  it's hig=
h
school crap like this that slowly eats away at the foundations of any sce=
ne. =

i can remember going to punk shows 7 years ago and seeing a zillion under=
age
girls dressed to a t, sporting lunchboxes and shitty looks.  whooo-hoo, i=
s
that what i have to look forward to as i get older?  plus, it's easy to
forgive cattyness in a 14 year old, but i was talking about girls 21+  it=
's
like the scene gets more and more immature as it gets older.  this is jus=
t a
small symptom... ha, at least rival ravettes aren't trying to shoot each =
other
at raves...  =


peace,
catnap



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Subject: [mw] Damn creative block, and I wanted tinkertoys

I am writing to ask if anyone has any essential bits of information or links 
the use of an MC-505, MS-2000, or an SP-808.  I've done my time with the 
instruction manuals and my own experimentation, but I am curious to hear 
other peoples ideas on how they put songs together, how they might use 
equipment like this in a live setting (asking how you use this stuff in real 
time), maybe other bits of information that someone more experienced knows 
that they wished they had know when they first started, or just some cool 
shit worth thinking about.  Thanks to anyone who has something to say.

Peace,
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||when i see a girl in huge pants and a hoody (or maybe a tank top) dancing liquid to any
||number of styles, i'm instantly in love.  

 I see a girl in huge pants and a hoody & etc.. 

||it's so beautiful because it's not what you see, but what you know is there

 What I know is there? Maybe it means you have something in common as far as taste in
music/fashion or other such superficial things, but I don't think it indicates much beyond that.
 

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Subject: [mw] NRR:  Y2K Police Simulater

ever want to know what it feels like to be a motorcycle cop riding around
violating peoples Constitutional Rights???

well then this websites for you...EVERYONE SHOULD CHECK THIS OUT for a good
laugh!!!

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# 1   
Is konfused down right now, or is it because I am on dialup that its sucking 
bighuge hukkers??????????????

#2
If anyone was in Indy lastnight and heard Randy from Subsonik (REACT)... and 
heard his record skip... THAT WAS MY FAULT!  Smack me now!!!!!!!!

#3
Quote of the night:

Lorie:              Hey have you seen this flyer for next weekend yet?
Random raver: I don't smoke.

That is all.

Lorie

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> # 1   
> Is konfused down right now, or is it because I am on dialup that its sucking 
> bighuge hukkers??????????????

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Subject: [mw] nevermind

that was probably a bad idea.

bye,
mk

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Subject: [mw] Leaving for the UK

All,

  I will be leaving for the UK, to follow Hawtin around and do some sight 
seeing before the Cremefields.. Any suggestions as to what to see and where 
to go(record stores, sights, etc.etc) that you can offer??? I will be 
arriving in manchester, then going to glasgow, then london, then off to the 
cremefields(liverpool), then ?????

  Any help is appreciated..

   Much love,
    And Endless Banter,
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Subject: [mw] [LG] Updated LG news

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our website shortly. If you just can't wait for the info 
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>   Like I said eariler any music or art involved in
> this kind of movement could be very complex because
> these complexities could be noticed and appreciated. 
now this is something i've thought about recently.
A lot of my friends are junglists(that is truly a cool word), some make
techno.

every once in a while I'll be listening to something someone will
be spinning, supposed technical, darkstep kinda stuff...and
i for one don't find it very dark, but most importantly it doesn't sound
very.."Technical" or complex...now some is, i will agree...but i've noticed
this a lot in other genres too.
jungle it seems like its the same damn track with different basslines, or
its the same track with the same breaks just different shit on top(little
sounds)
hardcore, too much is the same shit with just different samples, so on and
so forth.
now I love all kinds of music, and i do hear shit that is new, and new is
not a requirement of good
or vice versa...but can someone suggest some "sick new shit" for me to hear?
even shit like rdj or autechre or richard devine, all that shit I love as
well, and a lot of it
manages to sound new and refreshing, but i think there has to be some kind
of new "style" or sound
that is actually complex, and not just a lot of instruments, doing a lot of
things, happening to fall together.
what would make something complex musically?
i don't mean complexly(is that a word?) structured by the composer, or even
hard to listen to and figure out.
I guess I imagine the most complex part of music being also the most subtle.
so what IS complex music, what makes it complex music, and where do i get
some?

remember also, that theorizing on what will be the next wave is useless.
if you knew what it was, you would probably be a part of it.
i do think that those people that serve as forerunners of new sounds and
scenes
are often unaware of the impact of what they are doing.
they are busy doing what feels right to them, and they are lucky that others
pick it up, sometimes
decades later.
then there are those that are in touch enough to see it coming, if not even
a part of it.
jim morrison said in an interview, a couple years or so before he died, when
asked what the next phase
of music would be, that it would most likely be electronic.
a man, with some machines making the music, and him singing, or something
along those lines.
he also said it would follow rock music, which is essentially a concoction
of blues and country, the two
american forms of music.
his words, paraphrased badly by me.

 

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Subject: [mw] no gaetek for you!!


 I've heard several reasons as to why he didn't play Friday night. Personally, I think this marks
a new standard of minimalism, the depth of which was probably lost on we simple midwestern
philistines. It's a fresh concept that I hope to see more DJ's exploring in the near future.

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Subject: [mw] thee rapture...

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Subject: Re: [mw] Re: [Re: [mw] bitches, man, bitches...]

te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< ||when i see a girl in huge pants and a hoody (or maybe a tank top) 
dancing liquid to any
 ||number of styles, i'm instantly in love.  
 
  I see a girl in huge pants and a hoody & etc.. 
 
 ||it's so beautiful because it's not what you see, but what you know is there
 
  What I know is there? Maybe it means you have something in common as far as 
taste in
 music/fashion or other such superficial things, but I don't think it 
indicates much beyond that. >>

what is your problem ted?

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te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< I've heard several reasons as to why he didn't play Friday night. 
Personally, I think this marks
 a new standard of minimalism, the depth of which was probably lost on we 
simple midwestern
 philistines. It's a fresh concept that I hope to see more DJ's exploring in 
the near future. >>

what the hell?

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Subject: [mw] Fwd: NYC techno therapy - the first 3 installments

if you are in the NYC area over the next few months and are into techno, 
this looks like a nice thing to check out...oh, and its free...

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
djoracle@onebox.com
www.zap.to/djoracle [under const.]


>TrustTheDJ.com and Tronic Music present:
>
>TRONIC TREATMENT
>
>Every other Monday at:
>
>Guernica (the old SAVE THE ROBOTS)
>25 Ave B (between 2nd and 3rd)
>
>August 28
>Surgeon - Downwards, Tresor - UK
>Oliver Ho - Meta, Blueprint - UK
>Christian Smith - Tronic, Intec, TrustTheDJ.com - Sweden
>
>September 11
>Marco Bailey - Session, Primate - Belguim (first ever US apperance)
>DJ Slip - Creation Rebel, Kanzleramt, Musicman -NYC
>Christian Smith - Tronic, Intec, TrustTheDJ.com - Sweden
>
>September 25
>Misstress Barbara - Relentless, Tronic, TrustTheDJ.com - Canada
>Nigel Richards - 611, Philly
>Christian Smith - Tronic, Intec, TrustTheDJ.com - Sweden
>
>
>10 PM till late
>21+
>FREE (cause we can)
>
>Stay tuned for a October line-up to be released in the next couple of 
>weeks.
>Beyer, Cox, Garnier, Simms, Mull, Lekebusch, L Session, Krome, Gaetano,
>Sterac and many more are in the works...
>
>Ciao,
>Viktor
>




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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: NYC techno therapy - the first 3 installments

Ok... wtf??? I will be in NYC fromt eh 29th of august until the 5th of
september... and so far wether it is techno or trance or whatever
everything is happening either b4 I get there or after I leave.

Does anyone know of anything worth checking out in NYC between those dates?


thanks,

tad

At 01:11 PM 8/16/00 GMT, dj oracle wrote:
>if you are in the NYC area over the next few months and are into techno, 
>this looks like a nice thing to check out...oh, and its free...
>
>dj oracle aka daniel britt
>940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
>booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
>djoracle@onebox.com
>www.zap.to/djoracle [under const.]
>
>
>>TrustTheDJ.com and Tronic Music present:
>>
>>TRONIC TREATMENT
>>
>>Every other Monday at:
>>
>>Guernica (the old SAVE THE ROBOTS)
>>25 Ave B (between 2nd and 3rd)
>>
>>August 28
>>Surgeon - Downwards, Tresor - UK
>>Oliver Ho - Meta, Blueprint - UK
>>Christian Smith - Tronic, Intec, TrustTheDJ.com - Sweden
>>
>>September 11
>>Marco Bailey - Session, Primate - Belguim (first ever US apperance)
>>DJ Slip - Creation Rebel, Kanzleramt, Musicman -NYC
>>Christian Smith - Tronic, Intec, TrustTheDJ.com - Sweden
>>
>>September 25
>>Misstress Barbara - Relentless, Tronic, TrustTheDJ.com - Canada
>>Nigel Richards - 611, Philly
>>Christian Smith - Tronic, Intec, TrustTheDJ.com - Sweden
>>
>>
>>10 PM till late
>>21+
>>FREE (cause we can)
>>
>>Stay tuned for a October line-up to be released in the next couple of 
>>weeks.
>>Beyer, Cox, Garnier, Simms, Mull, Lekebusch, L Session, Krome, Gaetano,
>>Sterac and many more are in the works...
>>
>>Ciao,
>>Viktor
>>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: NYC techno therapy - the first 3 installments

Well, you could always take in a Yankees game. 

I just recently was talking to one of the DJ's at the Sound Factory.  I guess 
the scene up there is getting rather cheesy.  So good luck.  If you happen by 
there, look for DJ Tower.  Tell him I said "..'ey.."

 - Soniq

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Alesis 1622 16 channel mixer- send 1 is out, other than that, fully
functional. $175

Emu Orbit version 1 synth module good condition- $175 

DR-110 analog drum machine: Heavily modded, retrofitted with din sync, knobs
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All prices negotiable within reason. Will ship nearly anywhere. Money
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Subject: Re: [mw] The Underground

<<can someone suggest some "sick new shit" for me to hear?>>

Anything Fluxus will do.
Speaking of lame music-mind movements, that is.
You can hear some clips at

http://www.panix.com:80/~fluxus/ByGenre/AUDIO.html

Not exactly jungle, but they do sample breakbeats
occasionally, which is pretty amazing considering
it was produced in the 1960s.

Or, if you're more into the classical side of
things, check out a typical Flux score:

http://www.panix.com:80/~fluxus/FLUXUS_ONLINE/FLUXON_ART/SCORE/Score_for_Serenade_for_Alison/_Nam_June_Paik2.JPEG

"Take off a pair of nylon panties, and stuff
them in the mouth of a music critic."  Genius!
Mozart, eat your heart out!


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This is for the netgeeks... the rest of you can delete and go on with
your lives... 

Hmm... perhaps i'm missing something (not unlikely), but has efnet been
acting oddly lately?  I've always had probs connecting to their servers,
but now I havn't been able to connect to any of them for several days due
to "no autorization"... I've got ident running... 

is it just me?

-MikeY!
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Subject: Re: [mw] no gaetek for you!!

now what happened????

Theelight069@aol.com writes:

<<  I've heard several reasons as to why he didn't play Friday night. 
 Personally, I think this marks
  a new standard of minimalism, the depth of which was probably lost on we 
 simple midwestern
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Subject: [mw] Punk Rawk you Fuckas

hey this is irrelevant to anything and i know i havent posted in like 
forever ( not that it matters) but i need some help with something, maybe

my friend Derrik has this kick ass punk band called After School Special

they are influenced by the Dead Milkmen, Dead Kennedys, NOFX, the 
Descendants, etc....

anyway..they will be playing at the Creepy Crawl here in about a month ot 
two ...but until then they are really interested at playing at any other 
events or parties that wanna here some punk...so if any of you know of any 
clubs, parties or the  like that would like to have a band play (for free) 
hit me back.....they just wanna have people hear them...cuz lord  nows there 
aint no punk rawkers in southern illinois......

thank you
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i haven't tried connecting in a while. but noting the amount of headaches
this network has given us, why the hell is mw.raves on EFNet in the first
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>
> This is for the netgeeks... the rest of you can delete and go on with
> your lives...
>
> Hmm... perhaps i'm missing something (not unlikely), but has efnet been
> acting oddly lately?  I've always had probs connecting to their servers,
> but now I havn't been able to connect to any of them for several days due
> to "no autorization"... I've got ident running...
>
> is it just me?
>
> -MikeY!
> http://loophole.dhs.org
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i'm thinkin its because users were already on efnet and it allows them to be
on mw.raves as well as whatever other channels they'd like to be on.

if it came to that, i have a private 'isolated' irc server set up that i can
lend to this task.

lemme know,
-t

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Subject: [mw] WAS: RE: [mw] Phatfest NOW: big flyers

Well, the pixellation is pretty harsh... But, who cares? 

I dunno.. Does anyone else in here dislike big over-informative flyers? You
cant carry them with any kind of efficiency. I mean, I like big artwork,
thats cool, but most of the time Im like "Who is there, how long, whats the
price, whats the contact number". Some of these flyers are a real pain to
try to figure out where the REAL info is amongst all the crap. I like
artwork, artwork is cool.. but i dislike these 3 paragraph mantras that are
just exactly like what your english teacher said would happen if you didnt
learn about run-on sentences. Stuff like "be nice to ants, suck an egg,
spank a hamster, my cats breath smells like cat food" etc annoy me. ;) 

For some reason I think the promoters should spend less money on flyers and
more on the event, but, hell, what do I know?

Okay, rant mode off..

hehe.. BTW, I guess my flyers have just fallen into 2nd place on the "flyers
that have spanky artwork" list. ;))

Nah, honestly, its not that bad, just too lengthy.. Now, I have to find my
"rave drama" handbook.. Its over hear somewhere.. I think this is the part
where I say "DJ Funk can't play cuz he is dead" or something... 

Rob




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 7:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [mw] Phatfest


go to www.phatphest.com and you can see it in all its glory

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
djoracle@onebox.com
www.zap.to/djoracle [under const.]
www.icast.com/member/djoracle

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Subject: RE: [mw] Phatfest


> ok, now i'm curious, someone plz scan in said flyer.
> 
> -t
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikhail Khaimov [mailto:dj_tsar@yahoo.com]
> Subject: Re: [mw] Phatfest
> 
> 
> I never said the flyers were good looking. I totally
> agree that someone fucked 'em up huge time as far as
> the resolution and the graphics are rather simple and
> typical of a rave flyer =) However that shouldn't
> serve as a basis to spread rumors and create drama.
> That was my only point =)
> 
> misha
> 
> 
> > Actually, I have seen the fliers here in St. Louis,
> > and no offence Misha, they are the worst looking
> > fliers I have seen in a long time, the pixelation is
> > almost equal to an Atari.
> > And of course its the usuall candy Yoshi bullshit.
> > 
> 
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Subject: RE: [mw] I, ROBOT directions

ok, there was LOTS of info on the party available here.

who went?  how was it?

also, anyone go to "gypsy fire" in madison on the 18th?  or "god told me 2"
on the 19th?  i stayed in this last weekend.  woo hoo!

-t

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Directions to 
I, Robot
Indianapolis, Indiana
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Subject: Re: [mw] no gaetek for you!!

<<Personally, I think this marks a new standard of minimalism>>

I don't have any idea what you're talking
about, but since you mention "standards
of minimalism"...

'Minimal' has two completely different
senses (that can overlap).  The usual sense
of 'minimal' that musicians refer to simply
means very repetitive.  So what's being
repeteated can be loud and complex, it's
merely the fact that it's so repetitive that
it gets the tag 'minimal.'  I think Steve
Reich is one of the masters of this classic
minimalism.  Swinging a microphone around
on a rope or repeating the same tiny sample
of a boy's voice for half an hour, during
which nothing is changed: there is no
progress.  Remember that Simpsons where
they have a barbershop quartet and Barney
decides to go avant-garde and plays a tape
with a voice repeating the same number?
That's the good shit right there.  Mm yeah!

The "outsider art" Simpsons episode is
probably my favorite.  The part where
Homer is being erased by the Claus
Oldenberg pencil is brilliant.

The usual sense of minimalism among non-
musicians just means something like not
having many sounds, empty, simplistic,
or quiet.  Minimal tends to mean there's
not many layers involved. (As opposed to
the other sense in which there may be any
number of layers that happen to be
repetitive: it's horizontal minimalism vs.
vertical minimalism.)  Plastikman probably
falls mostly in this second sense: there's
lots of empty space between few sounds, but
it's always changing and progressing.

To cut to the chase: Last night.

Brian Eno is probably my favorite minimalist
in the second sense of the word.  I don't
really have anything by him except Neroli,
which I put on quietly as I fell asleep.
Damn, that's one of my favorite pieces.  I
let it play on repeat all night long and
woke up to it this morning.  The CD (minimal
music only flies on CD or DAT) is one 57
minute long track of a very slow and quiet
glassy keyboard sound slowly playing various
ascending scales in the Phrygian mode.  It
kicks my ass so hard.  And it puts me to
sleep so nicely.  I'll have to find more
recent stuff by Eno.  I wasn't impressed by
his Music for Airports or Fractal Zoom, but
I've still got all the classics (like On
Land) to dig through.

I'm sick of ambient music that resorts to
traditional song structures and tries to get
in your face.  Ambient is about exploring
naked timbres that float around in space in
the deep sea where it's too dark to see
anything except a rare lantern fish.  Leave
your fucking melodies at the door, please.
It's like any traditional music that throws
in some wispy new-agey nature sounds suddenly
becomes ambient.  Funk dat.  If you're going
to make good, pure ambient music you've got
to completely give up being catchy.  And most
songwriters aren't willing to do that.  I
mean, most people want catchy.  They want
stupid little melodious hooks they can hum
along with.  Better music doesn't bother.

Autechre's vietrmx21 or Drane 2--now there
you go.  Perfect.  The pain of nostalgia!


Kevin Ryan
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Tony Sebion wrote:

> i'm thinkin its because users were already on efnet and it allows them to be
> on mw.raves as well as whatever other channels they'd like to be on.

well, i'm an undernet junkie... mw.raves is my only efnet draw...

> if it came to that, i have a private 'isolated' irc server set up that i can
> lend to this task.

care to setup a network?  ravenet?  sounds like something fun to occupy my
work day :P


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yep Back to Mecca if you're into hip hop sept. 1, 2, 3

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i'm game...

irc.disrupt.org

or just disrupt.org if the 1st one doesn't work.

lemme know if it doesn't for for y'all.

no promises, no guarantees.
-t

mike - pvt me and we can set up some sort of server/server connection if you
want.
-----Original Message-----
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Tony Sebion wrote:

> i'm thinkin its because users were already on efnet and it allows them to
be
> on mw.raves as well as whatever other channels they'd like to be on.

well, i'm an undernet junkie... mw.raves is my only efnet draw...

> if it came to that, i have a private 'isolated' irc server set up that i
can
> lend to this task.

care to setup a network?  ravenet?  sounds like something fun to occupy my
work day :P


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Call it Konfused.net.

>
>care to setup a network?  ravenet?  sounds like something fun to occupy my
>work day :P
>
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] WAS: RE: [mw] Phatfest NOW: big flyers


>Well, the pixellation is pretty harsh... But, who cares?

I do.

seriously, if a promoter (or his/her designer) can't pull their head out of 
their ass long enough to set the resolution on their file to 300 dpi, I 
can't be bothered to go to their event.  Think about it... in most cases, 
the flyer is the only thing your average person knows about a party.  If you 
aren't competent enough to make your only piece of communication between 
yourself and your customers look good, you probably aren't competent enough 
to throw a good party.  end of story.

chris
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i can't, although someone else is welcome to set up a cname record on
irc.konfused.net to point to disrupt.org

or for that matter, set up an irc server on konfused.

i dunno,
-t

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Call it Konfused.net.

>
>care to setup a network?  ravenet?  sounds like something fun to occupy my
>work day :P
>
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Only 27 people showed up for Gaetek on friday, so bob didnt have him play rather

than embarass himself


Trancedanz@aol.com wrote:

> now what happened????
>
> Theelight069@aol.com writes:
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> <<  I've heard several reasons as to why he didn't play Friday night.
>  Personally, I think this marks
>   a new standard of minimalism, the depth of which was probably lost on we
>  simple midwestern
>   philistines. It's a fresh concept that I hope to see more DJ's exploring in
>  the near future >>
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Subject: [mw] boogie tribe partay

i had fun! unbelievable, huh? well, despite the shady, shady, shady
promoters...we managed to rock the partay. i hate raves. i hate
ravers. but i LOVE raving. dj funk didnt show. big shock. sandra collins
is like a barbie. her music is as plastic as her image. paul
anthony...yuck! if your trix suk, please, just play your anthems and make
things as painless as possible. santos was a wee bit stagnant. but, it was
just a relief to hear soem techno after hours of crappy trance and
house. we purchased lsd on two occasions. both bunk=( but, like i said, i
dont need to have drugs to have a good time. we met one lovely lady. jaded
as they come=) finally, after putting up with this party for hours,
mistress barbara came on at 4-4:30. whew! i LOVE techno. she played on
three turnatables. and, ill tell ya, it feels great to hear 3 of your
favorite songs at once, and mixed well! funny, how the dance floor was
flooded for sandra and paul anthony, but, it was cleared for mistress
barbara. there was about 50 of us left though, and we were lovin it.  i
danced alot. and was a wee
bit rambunxious. ;p plensta chilluns asked me if i was rolling since i was
enjoying the music sooooo much. and, they were really excited when i said
i wasnt. neato. i had a good time overall, but it had little to do with
the party itself. its what you make of it, i guess. but, i was relieved to
get outside and see the sunrise. the real world is my escape from raves.

love,
jaimmie

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Subject: Re: [mw] boogie tribe partay

I thought raves were supposed to be your escape from the real world?


>the real world is my escape from raves.
>
>love,
>jaimmie


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>Well, the pixellation is pretty harsh... But, who cares?

I do.

seriously, if a promoter (or his/her designer) can't pull their head out of 
their ass long enough to set the resolution on their file to 300 dpi, I 
can't be bothered to go to their event.  Think about it... in most cases, 
the flyer is the only thing your average person knows about a party.  If you

aren't competent enough to make your only piece of communication between 
yourself and your customers look good, you probably aren't competent enough 
to throw a good party.  end of story.

chris
design snob

Well, I see your point, esp when most of the time a well thought out design
that actually *uses* the resolution of 4 color is far better IMHO than
something big with cruddy res.

Having done a few flyers myself with mixed results, at least I had my head
out enough to know that you needed to be at *least* in the 220dpi range for
even the cheapest 4 color process. I dunno, I think some ppl think "Oh, let
me get Bryce and Photoshop and I can do flyers!" Let me tell you NOW, if you
believe this, I have a bridge to sell you.. I knew what was involved and had
many ppl help me out and it still was a b*tch. Im sure it would have been
worse if I had the typical rave promoter ego and was too self-involved to
ask anyone when I didnt know something. Hell, Im a rave promoter, I know
everything now, right? ;))

Esp with such a big event, I am surprised, but honestly, the size of the
flyers irritates me more. Most of the designs are ephemeral junk-art anyway,
not to mention much of the art is stolen to begin with.

Good flyers don't always guarantee a trouble free event, but I see where you
are coming from.

Rob




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if he's gonna embarass himself, he shouldn't be playing for any amount of
people.  27 people sounds like a nice, intimate setting.

glad i didn't decide to go at the last minute... would have been a 7 hour
drive.

chad

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> Only 27 people showed up for Gaetek on friday, so bob didnt have him
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Subject: Re: [mw] no gaetek for you!!

i was speaking of bob not wanting to embarass himself.  I personally would
have loved that intimate of a setting to see Gaetek, but alas Bob didnt have
him play.

chad m spoonhaus wrote:

> if he's gonna embarass himself, he shouldn't be playing for any amount of
> people.  27 people sounds like a nice, intimate setting.
>
> glad i didn't decide to go at the last minute... would have been a 7 hour
> drive.
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> chad
>
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 grant@techgallery.com wrote:
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> > Only 27 people showed up for Gaetek on friday, so bob didnt have him
> > play rather
> >
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Subject: Re: [mw] no gaetek for you!!

to comment a bit, gaetek is a fine dj and he was looking forward to showing
his skills as a dj instead of just being visible as a producer...it was just
a real uncomfortable situation where most of the 15 people left were
guestlisted (for various reasons) and there were very few paying customers
there, like 5 that i knew of when it was time for him to play...gaetek was
paid in full and that was the end of it...it was completely bizarre and very
unrepresentative of most events, particularly clubhead events in the
area...he was really nice when i spoke with him going to the airport and
hopefully chicago had a bit more to offer him...

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
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> if he's gonna embarass himself, he shouldn't be playing for any amount of
> people.  27 people sounds like a nice, intimate setting.
>
> glad i didn't decide to go at the last minute... would have been a 7 hour
> drive.
>
> chad
>
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 grant@techgallery.com wrote:
>
> > Only 27 people showed up for Gaetek on friday, so bob didnt have him
> > play rather
> >
> > than embarass himself
> >
>
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> ...he was really nice when i spoke with him going to the airport and
> hopefully chicago had a bit more to offer him...

jen and hellige and i went to see him at rednofive saturday. the guy
before him was on foreeeeever and trainwrecked every other mix, so it
didn't take much to make gaetek look good. i enjoyed his set, as much as i
could for being so tired. track selection was tight as was the mixing and
progression of the set, even if we didn't stay till the end. if someone
wants it trainspotted you'll hafta wait for jen and matt's mail server to
go back up, i can't help ya too much in that dept. as for the turn out, i
thought redno would be much more packed for a saturday night, but i was
thankful for the room to move. yeah, it was fun.

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Subject: Re: [mw] NOW: big flyers

The primary function of a flyer is to inform.  If it
looks really cool with multihued high resolution
graphics gracing a glossy page, that's fine.  But I
sure don't care.  It might as well be a piece of white
paper with the lineup and other vital info penciled on
it.  It's like album covers: 99% of the time you buy a
record for the music (rarely, as in the case of Aphex
Twin's record shaped like a 303, design takes
precedence).  If the cover art is cool, that's a plus.
If it's not, too bad--but so what?  The cover art just
goes along for the ride; you buy it for the content.
Same with raves.  The lineup, location, promoter, etc.
are the bottom line.  The flyer is just a novelty item.
And you don't always have to judge a book by its cover.

I agree that it's probably in the best business
interest of lesser known promoters to make their
flyers seem professional.  Part of looking
professional is not taking on more than you can
handle: I always prefer designs on the minimal side
of things.  But the design of the flyer isn't ever
going to determine whether I go to a party or not.
Speaking for myself; I'm sure there's people out
there who just go to parties with the huge pretty
flyers because they don't know any better.  But I'd
rather let the lineup do the talking.  I like
seeing DIY flyers that are just being economical,
like Matt Demmon's Sunshine Ministry flyers.

So: the business-savvy promotion crew wants to
project as professional an image as possible.  After
all, they want to lure in as many ravers as they can.
But I can also appreciate promoters sparing the
expense of elaborate flyers in order to put more energy
(and/or money) into the event itself.  People who know
about the scene really don't need flashy flyer art to
make any decisions for them.  In fact, I'd almost
prefer good parties to have low-key flyers just to keep
the there-for-the-music vs. there-cause-it's-cool ratio
as high as possible.  Rave promotion doesn't always
have to be about lassoing in as many candykids as
possible; it doesn't have to be a big business.  If
you're trying to appeal to the most consumers, you want
a well-designed advertisement.  But wiser ravers, like
wiser consumers, look past the quality of the
advertisement to the quality of the product.
Personally, I don't even look at flyers.  They don't
matter.  It's just advertising.  And just because
somebody might not put a lot of work into publicity
doesn't mean they can't throw a great party (although
I'll agree: it can be one indication--but still not a
monolithic make-or-break criterion).  There's much
so more to raves than advertising.


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On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Tony Sebion wrote:

-->irc.disrupt.org

No luck.  Couldn't connect to that, or any other server for that
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about installing identd... what's that?  where do I get it?

my inner g33k is crying.

one love,
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Subject: Re: [mw] no gaetek for you!!

you goober, those are te_one's words not mine!

Trancedanz@aol.com writes:

<< now what happened????
 
 Theelight069@aol.com writes:
 
 <<  I've heard several reasons as to why he didn't play Friday night. 
  Personally, I think this marks
   a new standard of minimalism, the depth of which was probably lost on we 
  simple midwestern
   philistines. It's a fresh concept that I hope to see more DJ's exploring 
in 
  the near future >> >>

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Subject: [mw] Gaetek

Well, here's my take on the whole thing.  Yes, the crowd was small, and yes
there weren't all that many people there who weren't guestlisted, but
nonetheless, I think everyone was a bit disappointed.  I at least found out
from Grant that he wasn't playing, although it would've been nice for Bob to
have said something to those who weren't 'in the know' so to speak.  Oh
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Subject: Re: [mw] Gaetek

okay i got there after drivin all the way from bloomington. but i was told
by some guys who worked there that gaetek was not going to be there. and
since that was going to not be occruring, they went ahead and let me in
for free. i had fun hanging out and hearing lisa play for a minute or
so. had a really fun time hanging out in front of topcats for a couple of
hours.heheh. 

i was disheartened at the number of people there. i wish that bob would
have went ahead and let gaetek play because there were some die hard
techno heads up in there that wanted to hear him. oh well.

back to cookin da chicken wings.
lauryn.

lauryn goller	
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Subject: [mw] whore o babylon wuz Re: [mw] bitches, man, bitches...

here mebbe this'll cheer you up ted...

http://www.hecklers.com/busterbras/main.php3

Revelation 12

15 and the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a
flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be
carried away of the flood

16 and the earth helped the woman, and the earth 
opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which
the dragon cast out of his mouth

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Subject: [mw] enlighten...

darw_n...

"create : demonstrate : toneshift"
www.mp3.com/darw_n
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hmm.. i think i've maybe had as many as 27 people dance to one of my sets.  i'd guess that bob was
contractually obligated to pay the guy, so why not have him play? i've seen so many talented
people give what I consider their best performances to crowds no larger than that.. i'm certainly
not trying to give anyone grief about it, and my original post was really just me being a
smartass. i do agree with kevin's statements about most techno not really being very minimal.
rather than there being two definitions, I think as a designation for a style of electronic music
it is becoming devalued. this is often the case when something enters the mimetic cauldron of
popular (mis)conception. it does sound closer to "maximal", doesn't it? as if the composer was
intent on using every effect and track available? this could have something to do with the advent
of digital recording, or it may just be the tendency towards "big room sound" typified by the
overwhelmingly resonant "floor fillers" that are currently in vogue. i think most newer techno is
more influenced by georgio moroder than any idea of minimalism.. not that this is a bad thing in
all cases..

i'll save my thoughts on ambient music for another time, other than to say that lately i've been
returning to older stuff like throbbing gristle and their various offshoots (coil, current 93,
psychic television, legendary pink dots).. 


                                             

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uh oh, it's jesse, another one of them overly enlightened
implants from Ohio!...from my ole hometown, cleavageland!!

the culmination of evolution, is the ultimate "beast"...
and as assimulated in the board game monopoly, the
beast shall attempt to devour all!!...

true enlightenment is the knowlege to escape this 
self destructive paradigm and utilize the power of
your soul to create a new playing field...enter the
underground scene...the last salvation for the soul
warriors!!


t

once again, it is the legend.........moah deep!!!

darwin@veriomail.com writes:
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Subject: Re: [mw] no gaetek for you!!

I would have felt embarassed for the city of cincy personally.  *shrug*  I
kept thinking there'd be a large turnout... if it had been THURSDay
night.... I think it would have had a larger turnout... *shrug*  I dunno...
 I still would have liked to have heard him play.  That being said techno
sucks.


tad

At 04:42 PM 8/21/00 -0500, grant@techgallery.com wrote:
>i was speaking of bob not wanting to embarass himself.  I personally would
>have loved that intimate of a setting to see Gaetek, but alas Bob didnt have
>him play.
>
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>> if he's gonna embarass himself, he shouldn't be playing for any amount of
>> people.  27 people sounds like a nice, intimate setting.
>>
>> glad i didn't decide to go at the last minute... would have been a 7 hour
>> drive.
>>
>> chad
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 grant@techgallery.com wrote:
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>> > Only 27 people showed up for Gaetek on friday, so bob didnt have him
>> > play rather
>> >
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Griggles wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Tony Sebion wrote:
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> No luck.  Couldn't connect to that, or any other server for that
> matter. Does anyone know what's going on?  Somebody said something
> about installing identd... what's that?  where do I get it?

d00d!#$!#  Use irc.plur.net !!!

This is not a joke.  It really exists.  It is an EFNet server.



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Tony Sebion wrote:

> i can't, although someone else is welcome to set up a cname record on
> irc.konfused.net to point to disrupt.org
>
> or for that matter, set up an irc server on konfused.

Well... not likely.

Getting linked to EFNet requires that you suck an existing
EFNet oper's dick.  Since most people are not willing to do
this, it's kinda hard to get linked.

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From mw-raves-return-6043-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 22 04:05:13 2000
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to quote myself from a previous message...

>i have a private 'isolated' irc server set up that i can lend to this task.

no efnet here,
-t

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Tony Sebion wrote:

> i can't, although someone else is welcome to set up a cname record on
> irc.konfused.net to point to disrupt.org
>
> or for that matter, set up an irc server on konfused.

Well... not likely.

Getting linked to EFNet requires that you suck an existing
EFNet oper's dick.  Since most people are not willing to do
this, it's kinda hard to get linked.

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te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< more influenced by georgio moroder than any idea of minimalism.. not that 
this is a bad thing in
 all cases.. >>

man, i wish you'd take my advice & learn to collate your
posts so they don't run all haphazzard the way they do &
gimme such a headache, didn't even bother reading most
of it til you mentioned georgio moroder.

ironic that you mention him, since i'm listening to the 
"electric dreams" soundtrack right now...thee quintessential
georgio moroder flick!...you're such a cheesehead, you're
prolly a big fan of tangerine dream too...all predecessors to
ambient orb stylee...

as for your opinion that most of the techno now is based on 
moroder i beg to differ...most of the stuff playing now is 
progressive trance...with its roots in germany...also the place
of the largest party in the world...love parade...a million and a
half people can't be wrong...without love there can be no creation...
ala the summer of love...


t

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Subject: Re: [mw] Gaetek

i guess i don't understand the whole pride thing here, because i think not
having him play was stupid, and a waste of a promoters money.  also a waste
of time for those that did show, and i waste of time for a dj.

if you have paid someone, have them play....to two or two hundred people.

    -bill


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> okay i got there after drivin all the way from bloomington. but i was told
> by some guys who worked there that gaetek was not going to be there. and
> since that was going to not be occruring, they went ahead and let me in
> for free. i had fun hanging out and hearing lisa play for a minute or
> so. had a really fun time hanging out in front of topcats for a couple of
> hours.heheh.
>
> i was disheartened at the number of people there. i wish that bob would
> have went ahead and let gaetek play because there were some die hard
> techno heads up in there that wanted to hear him. oh well.
>
> back to cookin da chicken wings.
> lauryn.
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te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< more influenced by georgio moroder than any idea of minimalism.. not that

this is a bad thing in
 all cases.. >>

man, i wish you'd take my advice & learn to collate your
posts so they don't run all haphazzard the way they do &
gimme such a headache, didn't even bother reading most
of it til you mentioned georgio moroder.

ironic that you mention him, since i'm listening to the 
"electric dreams" soundtrack right now...thee quintessential
georgio moroder flick!...you're such a cheesehead, you're
prolly a big fan of tangerine dream too...all predecessors to
ambient orb stylee...

as for your opinion that most of the techno now is based on 
moroder i beg to differ...most of the stuff playing now is 
progressive trance...with its roots in germany...also the place
of the largest party in the world...love parade...a million and a
half people can't be wrong...

### Oh no? What about America? Most of it is definitely wrong! And there are
way more than a million and a half ppl who support things that shouldnt even
exist. Majority is no definition of righteousness. You say it yourself about
every other post. If that were true, I would just get a mob together and
start doing some real good things. :)


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Subject: [mw] OHIO ELECTRONIC MUSIC CONTEST [ONE]

If you are an electronic musician residing in Ohio, you are eligible for
this contest...

Mannequin Odd Dance will be accepting submissions of tracks/songs from Ohio
artists to be used on a compilation the will be marketed and sold nation
wide through Mannequin Odd Dance.  This compilation will receive promotional
support with ads in Urb magazine and other national publications.

14 tracks/songs will be chosen for this compilation.

THE RULES:
(Ohio residents only)

1) All tracks/songs must have an electronic element.  Any style of
electronic music will be accepted; house, trance, hip hop, jungle,
breakbeat, industrial, ect.

2) Tracks/songs must not exceed 5 minutes in length.

3) Tracks/songs must not contain samples that would require artist
clearance.

4) ALL TRACKS MUST BE SUBMITTED BY SEPT 21ST., 2000!

please submit to the following address...

Mannequin Odd Dance
P.O. Box 627
Aurora, Ohio 44202-9357

[end dialogue]

darw_n...

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Subject: [mw] Headliners?

OK, this may have been done before, but I just would like to check for my own 
personal information.

If you could see one headliner, who would it be?....   Doesn't matter if it's 
a DJ or live PA, or live instrumentation;  techno, house, dnb, ghetto-tech, 
jazz, industrial-handbag, whutever;..  they just have to be alive (it helps).

I'm possibly looking to put together a one-off, trying to get some ideas.  As 
a DJ first, I figgered I would start with the show.  Look for me to be asking 
more advice as this progresses.

Thanks for any input.

 - Soniq

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    Juno Reactor. 'Nuff said. (although somehow I doubt you've got that
kinda cash) I still wanna see muppetfucker sometime, but of course I don't
live anywhere near ohio...

Matt Murphy
sound.light.motion
murph@mr.net

> OK, this may have been done before, but I just would like to check for my
own
> personal information.
>
> If you could see one headliner, who would it be?....   Doesn't matter if
it's
> a DJ or live PA, or live instrumentation;  techno, house, dnb,
ghetto-tech,
> jazz, industrial-handbag, whutever;..  they just have to be alive (it
helps).
>
> I'm possibly looking to put together a one-off, trying to get some ideas.
As
> a DJ first, I figgered I would start with the show.  Look for me to be
asking
> more advice as this progresses.



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> If you could see one headliner, who would it be

acidscout .. again
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:56:18 -0500, Matt Murphy wrote:

>
>    Juno Reactor. 'Nuff said. 


Good choice !

Along the same lines,
Eat Static would be my choice.

	- Joe 


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>    Juno Reactor. 'Nuff said. 

I saw them back in 97 with Moby...they were...interesting.

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Subject: Re: [mw] Headliners?

rabbit in the moon puts on a hell of a show...i'd like to see them again...

MATT...are you a newfound Happycore fan??? cause thats what muppetfucker 
plays...he's a cool as hell guy...but just another happycore dj with a 
catchy name...

dylan


>From: "Matt Murphy" <murph@mr.net>
>To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: [mw] Headliners?
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:56:18 -0500
>
>
>     Juno Reactor. 'Nuff said. (although somehow I doubt you've got that
>kinda cash) I still wanna see muppetfucker sometime, but of course I don't
>live anywhere near ohio...
>
>Matt Murphy
>sound.light.motion
>murph@mr.net
>
> > OK, this may have been done before, but I just would like to check for 
>my
>own
> > personal information.
> >
> > If you could see one headliner, who would it be?....   Doesn't matter if
>it's
> > a DJ or live PA, or live instrumentation;  techno, house, dnb,
>ghetto-tech,
> > jazz, industrial-handbag, whutever;..  they just have to be alive (it
>helps).
> >
> > I'm possibly looking to put together a one-off, trying to get some 
>ideas.
>As
> > a DJ first, I figgered I would start with the show.  Look for me to be
>asking
> > more advice as this progresses.
>
>
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> > If you could see one headliner, who would it be
autechre

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Hallucinogen, with Shy FX as a close second.


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> rabbit in the moon puts on a hell of a show...i'd like to see them
again...

    I've heard the same, would love to see them. (him?)

> MATT...are you a newfound Happycore fan??? cause thats what muppetfucker
> plays...he's a cool as hell guy...but just another happycore dj with a
> catchy name...

    Haha, not exactly newfound, and AFAIK muppetfucker's been around for
quite some time, but yeah I like it and I'd love to see him just because he
has been doing HH for forever and I've never seen him.

Matt Murphy
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> > If you could see one headliner, who would it be
> autechre

/me does the i'm going to see autechre live in london dance :)

(and gescom and plaid and boards of canada and aphex...and an entire SKAM
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> /me does the i'm going to see autechre live in london dance :)
/me does the i'm going to beat the living hell out of jes dance

> (and gescom and plaid and boards of canada and aphex...and an 
> entire SKAM
> ROOM!!)
/me does the aforementioned dance with much fervor, a second time

you suck
in a way that wouldn't pay the bills if you were living on the streets

punk
grr
micah
grr
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Hardfloor - Live

OneBadDJ@aol.com wrote:

> OK, this may have been done before, but I just would like to check for my own
> personal information.
>
> If you could see one headliner, who would it be?....   Doesn't matter if it's
> a DJ or live PA, or live instrumentation;  techno, house, dnb, ghetto-tech,
> jazz, industrial-handbag, whutever;..  they just have to be alive (it helps).
>
> I'm possibly looking to put together a one-off, trying to get some ideas.  As
> a DJ first, I figgered I would start with the show.  Look for me to be asking
> more advice as this progresses.
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
>  - Soniq
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> /me does the aforementioned dance with much fervor, a second time
> you suck
> in a way that wouldn't pay the bills if you were living on the streets
> punk
> grr
> fucker
> grr

/me does her spacebunny deanna troy impression
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>
>If you could see one headliner, who would it be?....   Doesn't matter if
it's 
>a DJ or live PA, or live instrumentation;  techno, house, dnb, ghetto-tech, 
>jazz, industrial-handbag, whutever;..  they just have to be alive (it helps).
>

Infected mushroom live, aphex twin live, atmos live, plastikman (LIVE, no
tables), The orb, Underworld,  hmmmm djs  Tiesto, mark allen, Tyoshi
Suzuki, nick taylor.

Any of them... I've been blessed seing Hallucinogen live three times (twice
just this year).  And would probably forgo on many of the aforementioned to
see him play live again.


tad 





>I'm possibly looking to put together a one-off, trying to get some ideas.
As 
>a DJ first, I figgered I would start with the show.  Look for me to be
asking 
>more advice as this progresses.
>
>Thanks for any input.
>
> - Soniq
>
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> Infected mushroom live, aphex twin live, atmos live, 
> plastikman (LIVE, no
> tables), The orb, Underworld,  hmmmm djs  Tiesto, mark allen, Tyoshi
> Suzuki, nick taylor.
> 
> Any of them... I've been blessed seing Hallucinogen live 
> three times (twice
> just this year).  And would probably forgo on many of the 
> aforementioned to
> see him play live again.
okay ive thought about it now.
i changed my mind
i want to see merzbow live, booked under the name of some happycore dj
then all the little candy kids will scream in terror!
yay!
micah

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> /me does her spacebunny deanna troy impression
> "i sense angah"
> ;P
that jes girl, let me tell you, she is so observant
no im not mad, i don't have a reason to be mad.
im just going to kill you and go in your place.
no big deal!

all taken care of

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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< ### Oh no? What about America? Most of it is definitely wrong! And there 
are
 way more than a million and a half ppl who support things that shouldnt even
 exist. Majority is no definition of righteousness. You say it yourself about
 every other post. If that were true, I would just get a mob together and
 start doing some real good things. :) >>

well if it isn't my good buddy rob who "supposedly" got into rave 
scene in santa cruz in '91 when there was no rave scene in 
santa cruz in '91 (there was in LA and San Francisco though)!
...um, if you do not believe in a democracy, why are you living in
America?...but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth again,
how typical of your kind!...and why are you comparing a party 
where people are enjoying themselves peacefully to a mob that
is violent that is more akin to say a troop of foot soldiers!

ravers trained to dance and be friendly and sociable.

soldiers trained to kill and hate all that is not white.

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Subject: Re: [mw] Headliners?

i wanna throw a party with Spree, Matt Positive, and Muppetfucker as 
headliners...and have craig play trancecore, Matt play hard acid (i.e. his 
Drop Bass 1-20 set) and Noah play hardcore.....No happy shit from any of 
them....just to watch the candy kids cry as they realize they have been had

dylan


>i changed my mind
>i want to see merzbow live, booked under the name of some happycore dj
>then all the little candy kids will scream in terror!
>yay!
>micah

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On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Griggles wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Aug 2000, Tony Sebion wrote:
> 
> No luck.  Couldn't connect to that, or any other server for that
> matter. Does anyone know what's going on?  Somebody said something
> about installing identd... what's that?  where do I get it?

identd is a service that you run on your machine that efnet servers
connect to get some IDENTity information about you.  If you use mIRC,
there is an tab in the setup box labeled identd, make sure it's enabled
and you have something (it can be bullshit) in the little box.  If you run
linux, you need to have make sure you have identd installed and running.

hope that helps...

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> that jes girl, let me tell you, she is so observant

hey, they dont call me commander obvious for nuthin!

> no im not mad, i don't have a reason to be mad.
> im just going to kill you and go in your place.
> no big deal!

nice try, but i think mandy and atom (going with) might notice.

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH

Matt Murphy
sound.light.motion
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> i wanna throw a party with Spree, Matt Positive, and Muppetfucker as
> headliners...and have craig play trancecore, Matt play hard acid (i.e. his
> Drop Bass 1-20 set) and Noah play hardcore.....No happy shit from any of
> them....just to watch the candy kids cry as they realize they have been
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[as usual, i never saw stevie's original post. since it's been cc'd to me in its entirety, i'll
pretend like we're dealing with a sane individual for a moment and try to carry on a rational
discussion.]

||man, i wish you'd take my advice & learn to collate your
||posts so they don't run all haphazzard the way they do &
||gimme such a headache, didn't even bother reading most
||of it til you mentioned georgio moroder.

that's a classic run-on sentence; but who cares? it's more coherent than your typical rantings. 
you know the one 'bout glass houses?

/me passes stevie a broom & dustpan 

if it's giving you a headache you could always block my address.. i can't tell you how easy it
is.. ;p

to continue;

||ironic that you mention him, since i'm listening to the 
||"electric dreams" soundtrack right now

that's not irony, it's coincidence. moving right along;

||you're such a cheesehead, you're prolly a big fan of tangerine dream too...all predecessors to
||ambient orb stylee...

i'm from texas, not wisconsin. the orb is closer to lee perry or mad professor than tangerine
dream. i prefer the first two, but like all three.  i started losing interest in the orb with
their "orblivion" LP. there's a few good tracks on there but i prefer their first two releases. i
started out mixing ambient dub, so i've enjoyed hearing that style being combined with techno.
it's really too bad that there aren't ambient rooms anymore. i still drop an orb track now & then.

||as for your opinion that most of the techno now is based on 
||moroder i beg to differ...

I said it sounded more like moroder than minimalism to me. once again, i was primarily making a
joke, but take the strings in "jaguar" for example. i know it's been run into the ground, though
it ties in nicely with your comments about german trance; rumor has it that jam & spoon did the
knock-off version. obviously the world's techno producers aren't remixing "flashdance", but the
rich production, string patches, and orchestral-sounding hits are not what i'd consider
minimalism.
listen to rob hood's "minimal nation" and compare it to his more recent releases like "hoodlum" on
drama or his singles on duet. 

||most of the stuff playing now is progressive trance...

yes, that may be the most popular style of electronic music. i was talking about techno. in an
attempt to avoid another trance vs. techno argument, richie hawtin played both "stella" by jam &
spoon and "2 full moons & a trout" by union jack the first time I heard him.

||a million and a half people can't be wrong...

must we turn this into a discussion about genocide?
we were talking about gaetek not playing. i agree that he should have played, and i can't help but
wonder what he thought about it. i'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it, though.







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> hey, they dont call me commander obvious for nuthin!
huh...why do they call you that?

> > no im not mad, i don't have a reason to be mad.
> > im just going to kill you and go in your place.
> > no big deal!
> 
> nice try, but i think mandy and atom (going with) might notice.
no way, i'll kill them too!
i'll kill everyone! then everything will work out just fine

if at first you don't succeed, kill someone else!
hows that for being a byproduct of 21st century american media?

/smirk this sucka!

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At 10:03 AM 8/22/00 -0700, Fergus wrote:
>>    Juno Reactor. 'Nuff said. 
>
>I saw them back in 97 with Moby...they were...interesting.
>


Yeah, that was definitely an energetic show. 


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>>If you could see one headliner, who would it be?....   Doesn't matter if
>it's 
>>a DJ or live PA, or live instrumentation;  techno, house, dnb, ghetto-tech, 
>>jazz, industrial-handbag, whutever;..  they just have to be alive (it
helps).


Hahaha, I would kill small children to see Bjork headline a party =)
Preferably with Dilinja providing some live p.a. under her vocals.  DAVE
the Drummer with Thom Yorke doing vocals... Tech Itch live... Apache 61...


Yeah. 


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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< ### Oh no? What about America? Most of it is definitely wrong! And there 
are
 way more than a million and a half ppl who support things that shouldnt
even
 exist. Majority is no definition of righteousness. You say it yourself
about
 every other post. If that were true, I would just get a mob together and
 start doing some real good things. :) >>

well if it isn't my good buddy rob who "supposedly" got into rave 
scene in santa cruz in '91 when there was no rave scene in 
santa cruz in '91 (there was in LA and San Francisco though)!

##Well, I was *THERE*, I know. And I don't particularly care if you don't
know. I have proof that I was there, I can drop a few names of some of the
ppl involved, and I know where some of the events were held. But I won't
bother wasting it on you since you already know everything. 

...um, if you do not believe in a democracy, why are you living in
America?...but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth again,
how typical of your kind!...and why are you comparing a party 
where people are enjoying themselves peacefully to a mob that
is violent that is more akin to say a troop of foot soldiers!

ravers trained to dance and be friendly and sociable.

soldiers trained to kill and hate all that is not white.

##Tell that to all the black soldiers in the military, some of whom were the
best soldiers I had ever had the chance to meet. BTW, I *do* believe in a
democracy, and if you knew anything about politics you would have figured
out by know that America is NOT a democracy, but a representative republic.
But, wait, you went to an Ivy League school, you know that already, don't
you?


Rob


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>Hahaha, I would kill small children to see Bjork headline a party =)

heh, bjork brings out exactly that response in me too.  i'm not sure if
that's exactly what you meant tho.  big time sexuality, baby.

btw - does anyone know who sold the rolls to anne heche?  rawk on.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20000821/en/anne_heche_hospitalized_6.html

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>heh, bjork brings out exactly that response in me too.  i'm not sure if
>that's exactly what you meant tho.  big time sexuality, baby.

I'd do 'er.  Uh... yeah.  But she puts on a helluva live show.

>
>btw - does anyone know who sold the rolls to anne heche?  rawk on.
>


That was me. Sorry.  


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the most common failure for ident rejection is that you're behind some sort
of router/nat/firewall configuation and port 113 traffic isn't directed to a
machine running an identd server.

if this means nothing to you, you should show it to someone who's in charge
of that for you, or connect to a server that doesn't require identd.

irc.prison.net doesn't require it and is EFNet, if i remember right.

i remember wrong a lot tho.  a lot.
-t

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identd is a service that you run on your machine that efnet servers

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Subject: Re: [mw] Headliners?

>okay ive thought about it now.
>i changed my mind
>i want to see merzbow live, booked under the name of some happycore dj
>then all the little candy kids will scream in terror!
>yay!

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> i want to see merzbow live, booked under the name of some happycore dj
> then all the little candy kids will scream in terror!
> yay!
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Hey people...just wanted to let ya know that contrary
to all rumors the event IS gonna go on as planned. I
have talked to the promoter ONCE again yesterday, and
everything was on schedule for it. As a matter fact
they have already posted directions and even pictures
of the land they will be using on www.phatphest.com.
It's a very beautiful area about 30 mins away from
Cinci. 
And also...just FYI I am not promoting for this event
- just wanted to clarify some rumors that have been
spreading :)

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wow.. their website is just about as ugly as their flyer

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> Hey people...just wanted to let ya know that contrary
> to all rumors the event IS gonna go on as planned. I
> have talked to the promoter ONCE again yesterday, and
> everything was on schedule for it. As a matter fact
> they have already posted directions and even pictures
> of the land they will be using on www.phatphest.com.
> It's a very beautiful area about 30 mins away from
> Cinci.
> And also...just FYI I am not promoting for this event
> - just wanted to clarify some rumors that have been
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yes it is rather unappealing isn't it :)


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Subject: [mw] ACTIV8 - Tomorrow Night - Dayton, OH

Tomorrow night, Denny's Creature Productions once again brings you Dayton's 
only weekly (last I heard.. lol) - Activ8.

 * Green Tara (Denny's Creature) - Acid Techno - Dayton
 * Headstrong (Subsonik) - Drum n' Bass - Columbus
 * Stoots (NTS) - Drum n' Bass - Columbus
 * DJ Soniq Stylz (Denny's Creature/World DJ Alliance) - House, Breaks - 
Dayton
 * Simpleton (NTS) - Drum n' Bass - Huntington, WV

Cover is only $2 for 18 - 20, and FREE for 21+.
Doors open 9pm, close at 2:30am.
Venue is Mother Rucker's, just south of Dayton in West Carrolton.
For directions or other info, call 937.866.6699, or go to
http://www.worlddjalliance.com/dcp

* And don't forget DJ Rip will be appearring Sept. 6th, along with the 
premier of "Everything, Everything" video by Underworld *

Hope to see some of ya there!!  Come up and say "hi"

Tim Hayes
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Subject: Re: [mw] Headliners?

the advent (live)

-r


>From: Fergus <fergcore@earthlink.net>
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>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:03:45 -0700
>
> >    Juno Reactor. 'Nuff said.
>
>I saw them back in 97 with Moby...they were...interesting.
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] phatphest

I think that site actually breaks every
single tip about good web design I've 
ever heard of... Flashy annoying 
background?  Text in the scrollbar?  A
huge unorganized schpeal (spl?) of random
advertisement in no apparent order?  All
sorts of useless animations that take 
forever to load?  Queezy graphics circling
around the mouse pointer?  Green text on
a red background?  Graphics with awkward
white borders that don't fit right?  
Misspellings?  Dead links?  Man, it's ALL 
there.  (No offense.)

I thought this was interesting though:

<<The event described and promoted on the pages within this site is a religious gathering and fundraiser sanctioned by the Church Of Peace, Love, Unity, And Respect and is thereby protected under the United States Constitution as a legal, peaceful gathering to express religious beleifs.>>

I had no idea PLUR was a church.  Yeah,
right.  I'd like to see that hold up
in a court.  I heard Drop Bass Network
tried to register as a Satanic Church
once but failed (or is that just a
rumor?).  But c'mon... PLUR basically
means "be nice to each other, children"...
It has nothing to do with religion.  Or 
does it?  Is the Church of PLUR a legally
sanctioned entity (heh)?  Also, general
advice: If you're trying to write a legal
disclaimer that sounds authoritative, 
you might want to run a spell-checker
over it.

Sorry (seriously) for the negative vibes.

<<wow.. their website is just about as ugly as their flyer

Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> Hey people...just wanted to let ya know that contrary
> to all rumors the event IS gonna go on as planned. I
> have talked to the promoter ONCE again yesterday, and
> everything was on schedule for it. As a matter fact
> they have already posted directions and even pictures
> of the land they will be using on www.phatphest.com.
> It's a very beautiful area about 30 mins away from
> Cinci.
> And also...just FYI I am not promoting for this event
> - just wanted to clarify some rumors that have been
> spreading :)
>
> Misha>>

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As I said...I am not the promoter for this event, and
the promoter is not even on this list which makes this
post completely useless. If you have anything you'd
like to discuss with the owner of the site you can
email him at luscious419@hotmail.com. This is not a
web design contest participant. It's a damn RAVE
website. 

Misha


--- Kevin Ryan <kevinryan@phatphest.every1.net> wrote:
> I think that site actually breaks every
> single tip about good web design I've 
> ever heard of... Flashy annoying 
> background?  Text in the scrollbar?  A
> huge unorganized schpeal (spl?) of random
> advertisement in no apparent order?  All
> sorts of useless animations that take 
> forever to load?  Queezy graphics circling
> around the mouse pointer?  Green text on
> a red background?  Graphics with awkward
> white borders that don't fit right?  
> Misspellings?  Dead links?  Man, it's ALL 
> there.  (No offense.)
> 
> I thought this was interesting though:
> 
> <<The event described and promoted on the pages
> within this site is a religious gathering and
> fundraiser sanctioned by the Church Of Peace, Love,
> Unity, And Respect and is thereby protected under
> the United States Constitution as a legal, peaceful
> gathering to express religious beleifs.>>
> 
> I had no idea PLUR was a church.  Yeah,
> right.  I'd like to see that hold up
> in a court.  I heard Drop Bass Network
> tried to register as a Satanic Church
> once but failed (or is that just a
> rumor?).  But c'mon... PLUR basically
> means "be nice to each other, children"...
> It has nothing to do with religion.  Or 
> does it?  Is the Church of PLUR a legally
> sanctioned entity (heh)?  Also, general
> advice: If you're trying to write a legal
> disclaimer that sounds authoritative, 
> you might want to run a spell-checker
> over it.
> 
> Sorry (seriously) for the negative vibes.
> 
> <<wow.. their website is just about as ugly as their
> flyer
> 
> Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> 
> > Hey people...just wanted to let ya know that
> contrary
> > to all rumors the event IS gonna go on as planned.
> I
> > have talked to the promoter ONCE again yesterday,
> and
> > everything was on schedule for it. As a matter
> fact
> > they have already posted directions and even
> pictures
> > of the land they will be using on
> www.phatphest.com.
> > It's a very beautiful area about 30 mins away from
> > Cinci.
> > And also...just FYI I am not promoting for this
> event
> > - just wanted to clarify some rumors that have
> been
> > spreading :)
> >
> > Misha>>
> 
>
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Any one????  

George Benson

-matthew


--- jsn111 <haiku23@mac.com> wrote:
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> > i want to see merzbow live, booked under the name
> of some happycore dj
> > then all the little candy kids will scream in
> terror!
> > yay!
> --
> 
> heh...fuckin ay right!
> :. 111
> 
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> the advent (live)


seen advent.  not as impressive as dave the drummer live.
even though dave is acid techno is pa's are more straight hard techno.
i would have to say he was harder then advent.

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and by the way..at the bottom of the webpage there is
a federal tax ID. That belongs to The Church of PLUR
which could very well be a non-profit organization
rather than a religious organization. They don't just
pull federal tax ID's out of their own hairy ass u
know :)

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I'd really like to see:

- carl cox
- ltj bukem
- adam freeland
- dave seaman
- nick warren


:)
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> and by the way..at the bottom of the webpage there is
> a federal tax ID. That belongs to The Church of PLUR
> which could very well be a non-profit organization
> rather than a religious organization. They don't just
> pull federal tax ID's out of their own hairy ass u
> know :)

    They're actually an ordained church through the ULC. So am I. Bow to me.

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Subject: RE: [mw] phatphest

And, FWIW, I had heard that DropBass WAS listed as a church/nonprofit
organization. I had considered nonprofit/church status myself, but I like my
sole proprietorship better. Sole proprietorship doesn't need a tax ID # and
is more "malleable" in definition, plus it really ticks off the ppl at HR
Block when I bring my tax records in and they swear up and down that I need
a tax ID # to file as a business and I pull out the regs which they should
really read more often and point out the section of the tax code that
pertains to sole proprietorship. ;)

Eat that! hehe.

Rob


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and by the way..at the bottom of the webpage there is
a federal tax ID. That belongs to The Church of PLUR
which could very well be a non-profit organization
rather than a religious organization. They don't just
pull federal tax ID's out of their own hairy ass u
know :)

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"Fashion Show

 The fashion show will be held Sunday, August 27, 2000 on the main
stage...After the show, we will be donating the clothes worn in the show
to local homeless shelters so that the homeless can be decked out, too."

Not only fashionable, but practical!  You can sleep a whole family in
some of those pant legs.  The other day I discovered that if I were to
cut one of my pairs in half I could make 2 full-length dresses for my
gf.


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Heres a lil story for ya! ;)

> 
> Once upon a time the government had a vast scrap yard in 
> the middle of a desert. Congress said someone may steal 
> from it at night; so they created a night watchman, GS-4 
> position and hired a person for the job.
> 
> Then Congress said, How does the watchman do his job without
> instruction?" So they created a planning position and hired 
> two (2) people, one person to write the instructions, GS-12 
> and one person to do time studies, GS-11. Then Congress said, 
> "How will we know the night watchman is doing the tasks 
> correctly?"
> 
> So they created a Q. C. position and hired two (2) people, 
> one GS-9 to do the studies and one GS-11 to write the reports. 
> Then Congress said, "How are these people going to get paid?" 
> so they created the following positions, a time keeper, GS-09, 
> and a payroll officer, GS-11, and hired two (2) people.
> 
> Then Congress said, "Who will be accountable for all of these
> people?" So they created an administrative position and hired 
> three (3) people, an Admin. Officer GM-13, Assistant Admin. 
> Officer GS-12, and a Legal Secretary GS-08.
> 
> Then Congress said, "We have had this command in operation 
> for one year and we are $280,000 over budget, we must cutback 
> overall cost."
> 
> So they laid off the night watchman. 
> 
> 

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I think the whole reason this PLUR
church/thing/whatever was created was to make the
event somewhat legit. That'll give the promoter more
flexibility to promote the event, because now he can
use the whole "this is a religious gathering" excuse
:)

misha


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> And, FWIW, I had heard that DropBass WAS listed as a
> church/nonprofit
> organization. I had considered nonprofit/church
> status myself, but I like my
> sole proprietorship better. Sole proprietorship
> doesn't need a tax ID # and
> is more "malleable" in definition, plus it really
> ticks off the ppl at HR
> Block when I bring my tax records in and they swear
> up and down that I need
> a tax ID # to file as a business and I pull out the
> regs which they should
> really read more often and point out the section of
> the tax code that
> pertains to sole proprietorship. ;)
> 
> Eat that! hehe.
> 
> Rob
> 

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Subject: Re: [mw] phatphest

i like that, i want it on mine!


kevinryan@phatphest.every1.net writes:

<<  Queezy graphics circling
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I HEARD THAT DJ TSAR, THE PROMOTER OF PHATPHEST, WAS ARRESTED FOR BEING A 
PRIEST OF THE CHURCH OF PLUR, AND FOR MOLESTING YOUNG BOYS.  ALSO FOR 
DEALING K-ROLLS.

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Subject: Re: [mw] phatphest

d00d...wE all thought you wErE in a pErma K holE!  WElcomE back.

ps... you left your stuffed animals @ my housE.

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> I HEARD THAT DJ TSAR, THE PROMOTER OF PHATPHEST, WAS ARRESTED FOR 
> BEING A 
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> FOR 
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Subject: [mw] enlighten update...

greetings all electronic music lovers, artists, party kids, and ravers...

Lately, man of us have heard or even complained about the fact that music is
becoming less and less appreciated as a special art within the rave or
electronic scene.  We all can agree that music education is indeed a crucial
party of our scene, and with out it, we may one day fail as a united
community.  So we at the Enlighten Group have taken the initiative to add
more fuel to our artistic scene.  Since the creation of MP3 technology, the
rave scene has now a very important tool in which can create a highly
accessible podium in which any artist can speak their ground, we intend to
make another revolution in the rave world with that very technology...

The purpose of these mailings is to encourage you to listen and access.
Some artists you may not like, some you will love.  But the end result is
that you listened, and in the process, you thought, the seed and water to
any culture...

featured artists...


||||| darw_n:

darw_n's dj sets have been said to evoke raw emotion, and indeed, change the
way many think.  His sets often break all the rules combining polar opposite
sounds and achieve technical superiority in the goal of creating a delicate,
yet grand thoughtful picture, creating more than just a dance vibe, but also
a mental reawakening and an experience.  His production efforts are no
different...

"create : demonstrate : toneshift"

www.mp3.com/darw_n  www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html


|||||  "sleepy sites":

Stephen "SleepyC" Cinch, (Strive, Primate, Caffiene, Sm:)e, Psychoactive,
AVA, Mannequin Odd, Toxic) the origional underground house master, is now
releasing tracks to the public via MP3.com. and the Enlighten Group.  Check
out all the latest floor stomping, ass shaking
 beats at: www.mp3.com/sleepyc  www.mannequinodd.com

 And if you want to float away on a cloud of electronic dub, with fat beats,
 huge bass and beautyful melodies, check out Sleepy's other project
"Slinky".
 This is probably some of his best work,
 For Slinky go to www.mp3.com/slinky www.mannequinodd.com


|||||  DJ Release

becoming Cleveland's best Junglist and still holding onto his house title,
it is only natural to move to productions...
www.mp3.com/djrelease  www.sphereproductions.com


to be added to the Enlighten Group's e-mailings, please fell free to send a
reply to this post and we will be more than happy to review your case, any
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Subject: Re: [mw] phatphest

hE lEft somE at minE, too.

chrisE, you gotta pin your stuffEd animals to yEr PLURPACK likE mE!

*hugglEsnugglEgigglEz*

chad


On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Omega Variant wrote:

> d00d...wE all thought you wErE in a pErma K holE!  WElcomE back.
> 
> ps... you left your stuffed animals @ my housE.
> 
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2000 16:45:55 CDT "chris ege" <chrisege@hotmail.com>
> writes:
> > 
> > I HEARD THAT DJ TSAR, THE PROMOTER OF PHATPHEST, WAS ARRESTED FOR 
> > BEING A 
> > PRIEST OF THE CHURCH OF PLUR, AND FOR MOLESTING YOUNG BOYS.  ALSO 
> > FOR 
> > DEALING K-ROLLS.
> > 
> > CANDY CHRIS
> > 
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Subject: Re: [mw] no gaetek for you!! 

te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< you know the one 'bout glass houses?
 
 /me passes stevie a broom & dustpan >>

glass houses?!...what the hell are you talking about?!...i'm thinking
you may have been snorting a bit too much glass from "the houses" tho
...most of my rants are about biblical or end times research...but my
most recent stuff has been off beat humor including a link to a hecklers
site that lets u blow up the boobs of jennifer love hewett, pam anderson,
and brittney spears w/ a water gun...u musta missed it...oh well, it was
my vain li'l attempt to cheer you up from your disdain for cute raver girls
in hoodies, big pants, and dance liquid style...

<< it's really too bad that there aren't ambient rooms anymore. i still drop 
an orb track now & then.>>

u'd prolly like the ambient parties lovegrove did w/ mixmaster morris 
out on the east coast...have u attended any of the goa parties on the
west yet?...very spiritual...definitly a new vibe i'd recommend to everyone
...they had sort of a small goa party here in cow town a bit ago w/
the masseuese, all the kewl li'l stands, the freaky dancers, the painted
up neon rooms, the whole nine...loved it...wish they'd do another one 
here

<<||a million and a half people can't be wrong...
 
 must we turn this into a discussion about genocide?>>

what the hell are you talking about?!...a million and a half people was
the attendance level for this past years Love Parade!!...what the hell
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hey jesse, i dunno if you've checked into it, but it is definitly the
next big thang down here...there was even an article in gear
magazine about the 16 year old kid that is doing it outta his
basement here in cow town...it's internet pirate radio...his station
is www.live365.com...apparently his initial pirate station has
inspired thousands of other small time stations that range from
talk radio to trance to whateva...

ahhhh, brings back the memories when i wuz on WRUW 91.1fm
(cleveland's first alternative music station} in like '90 and '91 and '92, ...

still the cutting edge...pump up the volume...fight the power...

darwin@veriomail.com writes:

<< greetings all electronic music lovers, artists, party kids, and ravers...
 
 Lately, man of us have heard or even complained about the fact that music is
 becoming less and less appreciated as a special art within the rave or
 electronic scene.  We all can agree that music education is indeed a crucial
 party of our scene, and with out it, we may one day fail as a united
 community.  So we at the Enlighten Group have taken the initiative to add
 more fuel to our artistic scene.  Since the creation of MP3 technology, the
 rave scene has now a very important tool in which can create a highly
 accessible podium in which any artist can speak their ground, we intend to
 make another revolution in the rave world with that very technology...
 
 The purpose of these mailings is to encourage you to listen and access.
 Some artists you may not like, some you will love.  But the end result is
 that you listened, and in the process, you thought, the seed and water to
 any culture...
 
 featured artists... >>

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Subject: Re: [mw] phatphest

i agree that the web site and flyers look awful.

that's just me, being honest and straight to the point.

people should take more pride in such things. after all, we are talking 
about art, music, and culture.

regardless, i hope they pull it off and everyone has a good time. it just 
seems that things are already looking silly.

i have to play there too, along with four other people from my crew and 
about 100 other performers, so I hope things go smooth.

-r

http://subsonik.linenoiz.com


>From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] phatphest
>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:33:09 -0700 (PDT)
>
>As I said...I am not the promoter for this event, and
>the promoter is not even on this list which makes this
>post completely useless. If you have anything you'd
>like to discuss with the owner of the site you can
>email him at luscious419@hotmail.com. This is not a
>web design contest participant. It's a damn RAVE
>website.
>
>Misha
>
>
>--- Kevin Ryan <kevinryan@phatphest.every1.net> wrote:
> > I think that site actually breaks every
> > single tip about good web design I've
> > ever heard of... Flashy annoying
> > background?  Text in the scrollbar?  A
> > huge unorganized schpeal (spl?) of random
> > advertisement in no apparent order?  All
> > sorts of useless animations that take
> > forever to load?  Queezy graphics circling
> > around the mouse pointer?  Green text on
> > a red background?  Graphics with awkward
> > white borders that don't fit right?
> > Misspellings?  Dead links?  Man, it's ALL
> > there.  (No offense.)
> >
> > I thought this was interesting though:
> >
> > <<The event described and promoted on the pages
> > within this site is a religious gathering and
> > fundraiser sanctioned by the Church Of Peace, Love,
> > Unity, And Respect and is thereby protected under
> > the United States Constitution as a legal, peaceful
> > gathering to express religious beleifs.>>
> >
> > I had no idea PLUR was a church.  Yeah,
> > right.  I'd like to see that hold up
> > in a court.  I heard Drop Bass Network
> > tried to register as a Satanic Church
> > once but failed (or is that just a
> > rumor?).  But c'mon... PLUR basically
> > means "be nice to each other, children"...
> > It has nothing to do with religion.  Or
> > does it?  Is the Church of PLUR a legally
> > sanctioned entity (heh)?  Also, general
> > advice: If you're trying to write a legal
> > disclaimer that sounds authoritative,
> > you might want to run a spell-checker
> > over it.
> >
> > Sorry (seriously) for the negative vibes.
> >
> > <<wow.. their website is just about as ugly as their
> > flyer
> >
> > Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> >
> > > Hey people...just wanted to let ya know that
> > contrary
> > > to all rumors the event IS gonna go on as planned.
> > I
> > > have talked to the promoter ONCE again yesterday,
> > and
> > > everything was on schedule for it. As a matter
> > fact
> > > they have already posted directions and even
> > pictures
> > > of the land they will be using on
> > www.phatphest.com.
> > > It's a very beautiful area about 30 mins away from
> > > Cinci.
> > > And also...just FYI I am not promoting for this
> > event
> > > - just wanted to clarify some rumors that have
> > been
> > > spreading :)
> > >
> > > Misha>>
> >
> >
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stevie t, you should contact this head to exchange pink eye stories!

-t

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INFO.


sounds ALITTLE too good to be true......and free at that??
dont think so.
although i just got confirmation that this this is for real--and i can 
confirm 2 of the djs are showing up.  both jungle djs......not enough to get

me to drive to jersey.
but i have a nasty case of pink eye and can't see anyway--saves me a trip to

jersey just to to be disapointed.
christina


In a message dated 8/22/00 10:08:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
nvrmnd@optonline.net writes:

> > On Mon, 21 Aug 2000 BOPNJIT@aol.com wrote:
>  > >OKAY THIS THING MIGHT BE FAKE
>  > >I ASKED A FEW DJ'S ON THIS LIST AND THEY ALL SAY THEY ARE NOT GOING TO

BE
>  > >THERE PLUS THEY HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT THIS'
>  > >YET AGAIN FALSE ADVERTISING IM KINDA PISSED


*love*
...the one and only Gabber Princess!!


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SYMPTY BRINGS YOU THE LARGEST FREE  PARTY EVER, CALLED...
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PERFORMERS (in alphabetical order): *line-up is subject to change
-----------------------------------------------------------------
any dj's that are not listed...
please bring your records b/c one never knows...
everyone is welcome

5150
3D
AGENT ORANGE
ALAN SAX
AMADEUS
ARMEN
ATRAY-U
BASEM
BINGUS KHAN
BODAN
BRIAN PASTE
BRUNO 88
BUSTA DOUGLAS
CANDEEFLIP
CARLOS TERRA
CARNAGE
CHRIS LOVE
CHRIS THOMAS
CHRIS TRENDS
CHUCK AQUISTO
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DAN GARCIA
DECIPHER
DELIRIUM
DHARMA
DJ NAPZ
DJ RU
DJ SEEN
DJ TORRES
DLG
DOC SPIN A LOT
DOUBLE D
DR. PEPPER
DRAE 192
DROB 26
D-V-ANCE
EXCEL
FLEKTONE
FRANKIE BONES
FRAZZLE
FROST
FUNCTION
GLEN GARCIA
GONZO
HECTIC
I B BERTO
JAGZ
JAHRED
JAY GOODWILL
JEVIC
JJ BLADES
JOEY BELTRAM
JOEY CEE
JOHN HOZAK
JOHNNY FAME
JOHNNY HARDCORE
JO-S
JOSLIN
JUNGLE ROLLAZ
KAZ
KAZPA
KECH
KELEE
KIDONE
KLIPROCK
KNOWLEDGE
KOOKANE
MADAME BUDDAFLY
MARK BEE
MC CHRIS
MC OVERRIDE
MC POSI-D
MIKE BLISS
MIKE MYERS
MIND BENDER
MODU
MR. KLEEN
MR. NICEGUY
MR. ROB
MYTH-I-S
NIGHT CHILD
ORION
PAT EGAN
PHILIPPE SNOY
PLEASURE HEAD
POE
PUNCH
RALPHIE C
READE TRUTH
REALITY
REID SPEED
RICH HINGE
ROB DEVS
ROB ELEVATION
ROB GEE
ROSS NEWMAN
SAMSSON
SCORPION
SCOTT RICHMOND
SEAN O'NEAL
SHAI LU
SHIN-E
SHY
SIR HARRIS
SLINGSHOT
SOBI 1
SPACE MONK-E
SPAWN
ST. CHRISTOPHER
STARCHILD
STEPWISE
SURREAL
SYKOPATH
THE DEVER
THE WONDER TWINS
THOMAS FOLTRON
TJR
TOMMY TUNES
TRICKY PAT
UFO
USUL
VITAMINS
WARLOCK
WIGGLE

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Subject: [mw] THIS SATURDAY! RED AUGUST 26th INDIANA!!!!!!!!!!

LORE PRODUCTIONS

RED
AUGUST 26TH
$18 with canned good or wearing all red before midnight....$20 with canned
good or wearing all red after midnight....$25 at any time if you don't
wear all red or bring a canned good...we are donating all canned goods to
the local food kitchen

Oliver Ho - [london, uk meta/blueprint/surface/drumcode/planet rhythm] 

Mumtaz - [chicago, il - elegal underground] - spinning on 3 decks

Eye-D  - [the netherlands - mokum records, def wish records, kultbox
records, ghetto 			safari, black monolith breaks,
coolman records] - gabbajungle warfare  

Derek Plaslaiko - [detroit - detroit bachelor djs, konfused?]

-----spinning a very special 2 hr 3 way tagteam on 4 turntables---------

Shiva [indianapolis, in - goddess complex, subterror

Matt Bandy [lexington, ky - aliensquad, subterror]

Adam Jay [indianapolis, in - ceo of azure records, subterror]
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React [cincinnati, oh - subsonik productions]

Slater Hogan [indianapolis, in - genius insanity, muzique boutique]

Craco Saca [louisville, ky - teknomafia, cloak recordings, plus 8]

Varsha - [indianapolis, in - subterror, psychedelic trance liberation
front, scarab]

Chad M. Sponholz [milwaukee,wi - konfused?]

Matt Sntx [chicago, il - konfused?]

-------special interactive performance by-----------

The Chef [louisville, ky - SKL]

Strange Loop [louisville, ky - SKL - www.strangeloop.nu]

Marky Mark [cincinnati, oh - SKL - architecture geek]

=========
sound provided by: project 7 - louisville, ky
lights and visuals by: VAST - dayton, oh

infoline: 317 - 767 5962 - lore productions
email: teknoho@konfused.net or lorie@konfused.net for more info...all
guest list requests must be made by august 20th. 

jello wrestling provided by: playmate productions of bloomington, in 


SUPPORT INFOLINES:
full spectrum - chicago 773 509 6343
aliensquad - lexington - 859-296-7800
SUBterror- indianapolis - (317)335-mixx
teknomafia- indianapolis - (317)579-3007
subsonik - cincinnati - (513)682.3282  http://subsonik.linenoiz.com 
icedown - pittsburgh -
untranslatable - louisville - 
www.trustthedj.com
=================================

shoutouts to everyone who made this event possible. we are totally
grateful and totally amazed at the numbers of people who helped us make
this party happen. we put our heart and soul into this party and it is
dedicated for all of you who still have a love for what goes down when the
bass goes up. enjoy!

lauryn goller	
djema membership coordinator
lore productions
teknoho@konfused.net  -  lgoller@indiana.edu

"why do we wait on people to pity us, while finding beauty in the hideous?"
				-black star



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http://wisconics.poofin.com/fuckin%20candy%20ravers.jpg

pre-boat burning, i would assume.

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Subject: Re: [mw] THIS SATURDAY! RED AUGUST 26th INDIANA!!!!!!!!!!

I think the promoters for this one look a little shady...


>
>LORE PRODUCTIONS
>
>RED
>AUGUST 26TH
>$18 with canned good or wearing all red before midnight....$20 with canned
>good or wearing all red after midnight....$25 at any time if you don't
>wear all red or bring a canned good...we are donating all canned goods to
>the local food kitchen
>
>Oliver Ho - [london, uk meta/blueprint/surface/drumcode/planet rhythm]
>
>Mumtaz - [chicago, il - elegal underground] - spinning on 3 decks
>
>Eye-D  - [the netherlands - mokum records, def wish records, kultbox
>records, ghetto 			safari, black monolith breaks,
>coolman records] - gabbajungle warfare
>
>Derek Plaslaiko - [detroit - detroit bachelor djs, konfused?]
>
>-----spinning a very special 2 hr 3 way tagteam on 4 turntables---------
>
>Shiva [indianapolis, in - goddess complex, subterror
>
>Matt Bandy [lexington, ky - aliensquad, subterror]
>
>Adam Jay [indianapolis, in - ceo of azure records, subterror]
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>React [cincinnati, oh - subsonik productions]
>
>Slater Hogan [indianapolis, in - genius insanity, muzique boutique]
>
>Craco Saca [louisville, ky - teknomafia, cloak recordings, plus 8]
>
>Varsha - [indianapolis, in - subterror, psychedelic trance liberation
>front, scarab]
>
>Chad M. Sponholz [milwaukee,wi - konfused?]
>
>Matt Sntx [chicago, il - konfused?]
>
>-------special interactive performance by-----------
>
>The Chef [louisville, ky - SKL]
>
>Strange Loop [louisville, ky - SKL - www.strangeloop.nu]
>
>Marky Mark [cincinnati, oh - SKL - architecture geek]
>
>=========
>sound provided by: project 7 - louisville, ky
>lights and visuals by: VAST - dayton, oh
>
>infoline: 317 - 767 5962 - lore productions
>email: teknoho@konfused.net or lorie@konfused.net for more info...all
>guest list requests must be made by august 20th.
>
>jello wrestling provided by: playmate productions of bloomington, in
>
>
>SUPPORT INFOLINES:
>full spectrum - chicago 773 509 6343
>aliensquad - lexington - 859-296-7800
>SUBterror- indianapolis - (317)335-mixx
>teknomafia- indianapolis - (317)579-3007
>subsonik - cincinnati - (513)682.3282  http://subsonik.linenoiz.com
>icedown - pittsburgh -
>untranslatable - louisville -
>www.trustthedj.com
>=================================
>
>shoutouts to everyone who made this event possible. we are totally
>grateful and totally amazed at the numbers of people who helped us make
>this party happen. we put our heart and soul into this party and it is
>dedicated for all of you who still have a love for what goes down when the
>bass goes up. enjoy!
>
>lauryn goller
>djema membership coordinator
>lore productions
>teknoho@konfused.net  -  lgoller@indiana.edu
>
>"why do we wait on people to pity us, while finding beauty in the hideous?"
>				-black star
>
>
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christopher lawrence. 

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Subject: [mw] Re: NRR - Desert Scrapyard

the airplane graveyard outside of davis-monthan afb is amazing. it's hard to describe the feeling
i got from watching square miles of b-52's having their wings systematically guillotined.
there's also the titan missile & aircraft museums nearby; you can tour the silo at one and see a
b-52 & sr-71 (& literally tons of other warplanes) up close at the other.. 



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||PERFORMERS (in alphabetical order): *line-up is subject to change [yeh no kidding]
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||<blah blah>
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Oh, if only that were so.. "Jakhammer" live?! <goosebumps>
I think I need more hardcore techno just so I can play that one record.







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Kenny Ken (old school set)

Andy C

MC Skibadee

Dave Seaman

Danny Tenagila

Umek

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Subject: [mw] More Revelations

Third Secret of Fatima...words of the Virgin Mary...

My Son said: 'Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's,'
but now he says: 'render naught unto caesar, for he does the
work of satan...render all unto God thy Father in Heaven,
the battle is nigh...prepare his way...the new heaven and new
earth is at hand...the lord our God is One.'

from http://www.4rie.com/rie%203.html#anchor1089038...

Bilderberg is scheduled to meet June 3-6 (1999) at the Caesar Park Penha 
Longa in Sintra, Portugal. Sintra is a remote resort, about 40 miles from 
Lisbon. Information about the secret meeting was provided by an agent inside 
Bilderberg.

Is it any strange coincidence that the most recent meeting of the
super elite and government leaders was held in CAESAR Park in 
1999, Portugal, especially when the Virgin Mary appeared to the 
three children in 1917 in Fatima, Portugal.


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Subject: [mw] NRR => ATTN: ALL DJ's

I'm not sure if I sent this out to this list or not.  I've posted it so 
friggin many places, I forget what's what.  Anway, I digress...

I have a contact in the UK that is looking to book US DJ's for a club night 
in Northern Ireland.  He can't promise much in pay, other than airfare, 
accomodations, exposure, and a great experience...

We've gotten a great response from all over the country.  We even have some 
guys from NYC who are offering to hook up live streaming video from the club. 
 

Any DJ's who are interested, please send a tape along with any promo info 
(background, pics, etc.) for me to pass along.  In a shameless 
self-promotion, I also urge you to visit my website at 
http://www.worlddjalliance.com.  All DJ's who send me tapes will also be 
featured in my mixtape exchange.

We are specifically looking for house, trance, techno, and breaks, but all 
are welcome.  Please email privately to get the address.  Thanks for your 
time.

 - Soniq

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Subject: [mw] GRAVITYBASS EVENTS

Hello and props to everyone who has supported Gravitybass.
Gravitybass, a limited edition drum & bass weekly, is held every tuesday
night at Topcats. Your resident selectors are Mowgli every 1st and 3rd
tuesdays and Troll every 2nd and 4th tuesdays.  Following is a list of
events and a schedule for the September 2000. See enclosed picture of
the flier.


Tuesday, September 05, 2000

EMBEE
LONDON, EASTSIDE RECORDS, FUZE RECORDINGS, TRUE PLAYAZ, SPLASH
RECORDINGS, JUICE RECORDS
Embee has been DJ'ing for twelve years and producing for seven years. He
comes from a background of old school hip hop and rare groove/funk. He
records under the name Embee for Juice, Splash, East Side, Fuze, and
True Playaz. He also collaborates under the name Indicas Rhythm.

He currently DJ's weekly on Essex based pirate station Cyndicut FM as
well as playing at various Juice and Splash nights throughout the UK.
Embee has played  all over the world. Embee continues to push forward
the boundaries of drum and bass.  Embees DJ sets consist of fat break
beats and pounding bass.

MK2
NASHVILLE, M.A.D. BASS RECORDINGS

MOWGLI
CINCINNATI, C.B.S., SWEAT

Located at Topcats > 2820 Vine St > 281-2005. 18 and up welcome. $5
cover. Doors open at 10 pm. Open until 2 am. Brought to you by:
Zeropoint Recordings. Web: www.zeropointrecords.com. E-mail:
zeropointrecords@hotmail.com.

--------------------------------------------


Gravitybass schedule for September:

September 19
RUFFDRAPHT NIGHT
SPAHN
JEREMIAH

September 19
NO GRAVITYBASS

September 26
SWEAT NIGHT  TROLL > CBS
MOWGLI > CBS

MC'S FIRECAT, TNT AND BATRE'

Located at Topcats > 2820 Vine St > 281-2005. 18 and up welcome. $3
cover. Doors open at 10 pm. Open until 2 am. Brought to you by:
Zeropoint Recordings. Web: www.zeropointrecords.com. E-mail:
zeropointrecords@hotmail.com.

Peace out . . .


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i don't normally forward NRR stuff but nader rocks...


FREE THE SPEECH: OPEN THE DEBATES
Sign the petition!
http://green.votenader.org/cgi-bin/petition-sigs.cgi

Lend your voice to the overwhelming number of voters
who want to open
the debates to Green Party presidential candidate
Ralph Nader.

The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) is
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criteria that
would exclude Ralph's participation in a forum that up
to 100 million
Americans watch each presidential election year to
make a
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The CPD's private, bipartisan commission (only
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criteria had been applied in the past, neither Ross
Perot nor John
Anderson nor Jesse Ventura would have been allowed a
forum to raise
issues that the American public wants to have
discussed.

A reasonable criteria would be that any candidate with
support of 5%
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when asked
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I know you're all already going to Furthur (right!?!?  :P) but while
you're there, you should check out the Deviant Nation tent...  It'll be
hotter than Janet Reno in a tub of corn syrup.

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This year's Even Further outdoor electronic music freakzone looks like a
real winner, including Milwaukee's redheaded bastard stepchild UFO!
headlining in the main tent. The venue is already set up, TBA the day
before for your protection.

New this year, Minneapolis' own Deviant Nation <http://www.wardogz.org>
presents the LETHAL EQUATION tent, featuring ruffneck beetz, evil freqs,
live PA's and turntablism from the 612's hardest electro-butchers:

 haDJi (Deviant Nation)
 Azrael (Deviant Nation)
 Lost in Translation (History of the futurE records)
 Kokigami (Deviant Nation)
 Target Market Research (History of the futurE records)
 Atomly (Atomiq Records)

Expect a wide range of tech-step, breakcore, noise, dark ambient,
and a whole slew of "What the fuck was that?!?" from this bunch.

SEPT 1-4, 2000 SOMEWHERE, WISCONSIN
INFO LINES: 414-454-9836 <*> 262-548-1888 <*> 414-777-3998
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>http://www.wardogz.org</U></FONT>&gt;<BR>
presents the LETHAL EQUATION tent, featuring ruffneck beetz, evil freqs,<BR=
>
live PA's and turntablism from the 612's hardest electro-butchers:<BR>
<BR>
&nbsp;haDJi (Deviant Nation)<BR>
&nbsp;Azrael (Deviant Nation)<BR>
&nbsp;Lost in Translation (History of the futurE records)<BR>
&nbsp;Kokigami (Deviant Nation)<BR>
&nbsp;Target Market Research (History of the futurE records)<BR>
&nbsp;Atomly (Atomiq Records)<BR>
<BR>
Expect a wide range of tech-step, breakcore, noise, dark ambient,<BR>
and a whole slew of &quot;What the fuck was that?!?&quot; from this bunch.<=
BR>
<BR>
SEPT 1-4, 2000 SOMEWHERE, WISCONSIN<BR>
INFO LINES: 414-454-9836 &lt;*&gt; 262-548-1888 &lt;*&gt; 414-777-3998<BR>
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On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 01:22:20PM -0400, jes wrote:
> /me does the i'm going to see autechre live in london dance :)
> 
> (and gescom and plaid and boards of canada and aphex...and an entire SKAM
> ROOM!!)

/me dances in kind

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 >haDJi (Deviant Nation)
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    Oh rock on, this'll be a good tent...

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I betcha she got a hold of one of them bad K Rolls.

>
>hehehe
>
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/eo/20000821/en/anne_heche_hospitalized_6.html
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Subject: Re: [mw] Madison-Bugged out

James wrote:
>Also, does anyone know when people spin
>in Library mall.

>From the "horse's mouth" (a little belated):

<<hello,
just thought i would inform everyone of what's going
on for library mall. most of you know this week....but
here's all of the info for the next three weeks:

this week: thursday, august 17th
adrian, spinning for two hours!

next week: thursday, august 24th
dj's yet to be confirmed, but we will have the flyers
ready for this thursday.

following week: WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 30TH
dj's yet to be confirmed.
DID EVERYONE NOTICE....WEDNESDAY!!!!!!
library mall was already taken for thursday of this
week.

also, it has been brought up that once classes resume,
perhaps thursday 5pm-7pm won't be the best time for
everyone. so, everyone, please figure out what days
will work best, or if thursday is still best. granted,
the podium (library mall) has limited timeslots, but i
will bring all the info to the next meeting.

see ya thursday!
--brooke and mikal>>

So, um, Thursdays 5-7 for now, I guess... <shrug>

>For all you other badgers out there,

All ONE of us...

>Miss Holly is now
>spinning every thurs. night at tutto pasta and there is house/trance on wed
>and jungle on fri.  Take care, James

I've never been there (Tutto Pasta).  I guess
I'll have to look into it.


Kevin M. Ryan
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Subject: [mw] ONE - 10.13/14/15.2000 - NLQP, Ohio

22 Productions

ONE 

October 13,14, and 15th.

Nelson's Ledges Quarry Park

Ohio
  
DJ's...
  
  DJ Elvis
  Gank
  Release
  Fuzz
  006
  Rick Welder
  Huggy vs. Justin Long - 2x4 tag team
  DJ Radar
  Clay Ivey
  J-Luv
  Sleepy C
  Kevin Cunningham
  Carry
  

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATT HELLIGE!!	

/me is buyin you many a bowling pin shaped bottle of beer tonight at the
bowling alley

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Subject: [mw] Submerged 3 - 10.07.00 - Cleveland, Ohio

two tigers productions

submerged 3

10.07.2000

 mike dearborn
 dj rectangle
 dj breeze w/ mc jumber [2 sets trance & trancecore]
 delirium (uk)
 nigel richards
 phantom 45
 os/2
 etain
 DK kos/ diggabeatz
 
 7up
 rob rage
 doughboy
 ben kenobi
 product 19
 nathan prophet (live)
 nautigroove
 joe blunt
 elysium
 g-13
 tigger
 trout soup
 adam bomb
 nox
 
 lights: electrolyte
 visuals: type-0 and jbrick
 sound: midniteblue 

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happy birthday, hellige!
birthdays rule...and beer sounds real nice right about now. mmm, beer.

:. 111


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> 
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATT HELLIGE!! 
> 
> /me is buyin you many a bowling pin shaped bottle of beer tonight at the
> bowling alley
> 
> ;)
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<Someone said something along these lines...>
 
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATT HELLIGE!!	
> 
> /me is buyin you many a bowling pin shaped bottle of beer tonight at the
> bowling alley

Yeah, happy birthday matt. Woo hoo! Shit, I'm stuck at work... 

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> >haDJi (Deviant Nation)
> >Azrael (Deviant Nation)
> >Lost in Translation (History of the futurE records)
> >Kokigami (Deviant Nation)
> >Target Market Research (History of the futurE records)
> >Atomly (Atomiq Records)
>
>    Oh rock on, this'll be a good tent...


Ugh... I don't know... I hear that Atomly guy really sucks...


=)
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On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 05:31:48PM -0500, metaphoria wrote:
> Ugh... I don't know... I hear that Atomly guy really sucks...

I hear he does more than that for $5.

er.  uh.

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>> Ugh... I don't know... I hear that Atomly guy really sucks...
>
>I hear he does more than that for $5.
>

Wow, you move to Chicago and suddenly it's $5?  Damn inflation...

=)  


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HAPPY BIRTHDAY BALDIE!

heheheheh =) ha! ya know i have to give you ten kinds of hell on
saturday. heheh. 

lauryn.

lauryn goller	
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Boy the next time I see you I owe you some b-day spankings, hot stuff.

If you're really lucky I'll show you the old "bannana in the tailpipe" 
trick.

>
>HAPPY BIRTHDAY BALDIE!
>
>heheheheh =) ha! ya know i have to give you ten kinds of hell on
>saturday. heheh.
>
>lauryn.
>
>lauryn goller
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>lore productions
>teknoho@konfused.net  -  lgoller@indiana.edu
>
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Abstrakt Entertainment and The Loco Bros. join forces once again to bring
you...

Enlightenment III: Return to Paradise

The largest of the Holiday Enlightenment Parties!

Saturday September 2nd, 2000
Labor Day Weekend

featuring performances by:

*Legendary Old School Hip-Hop Set*
D J   R E C T A N G L E
DMC World Champion, Funkdoobiest. Los Angeles, CA.
Dj Rectangle is a U.S. and World DMC Champion. Among his many accomplishments,
he has completed 2 world tours, with Warren G and for MCA's Mix Masters.
During
his career Rectangle has produced numerous breakbeat records and mix CD's. He
has produced for the Dogg Pound, Kam, Funkdoobiest, Skeeelo, The Luniz, and
many more.

*Legendary House Music Dj/Producer*
R O Y   D A V I S   J R .
Undaground Therapy Musik. Chicago, IL.
This man has earned respect worldwide as both a producer and dj from Paris to
Barcelona and all over the US he's rocked them all, produced a #1 hit on dance
charts in Europe along with others on major labels and his own Chicago label
Undaground Therapy. A TRUE Chicago house legend and a genuine staple in the
global house community.

*Jump-Up Jungle Scratch-Master*
J . S M O O T H
GFS, F-111, Higher Education, Planet Groove. Philadelphia, PA.
With his unique fusion of Hip-Hop and Drum & Bass, J.Smooth has become one of
the fastest rising DJ/Producers in America. His ability to mesh raw, funky
urban beats with the fast paced technological sounds of the future has set him
apart from those who are quite content to stick with the same styles and same
sounds. Already established as a skilled DJ all over the nation, his newly
emerging talent in the studio shows that he is more then just the man behind
the turntables.

*Hip-Hop & Turntablism at it's finest*
M R . D I B B S   &   M I K E  B .
1200 Hobos, A.P.S.O., M.O.R. & A.C. Cincinnati, OH.
One of the greatest and most creative turntablist in the world tagging up on
four tables with Mike B. from the up and coming Animal Crackers Dj Crew. Watch
out - you never know what to expect from Mr. Dibbs.

*Live Drum & Bass Orchestra*
T W I L I G H T   S L E E P
Zero Point Records & Gravity Bass. Cincinnati, OH
Always a brilliantly fresh new set from Cincinnati's fastest rising group of
performers.
They recently release their 1st dubplate on their new label, Zero Point
Records. Watch out for their next release.

S L A T E R   H O G A N
Music Boutique. Indianapolis, IN.
Slater will be bringin' the soulful and funky disco house sounds straight outa
Indiana, wreckin' it Hoosier style. Slater is working on the "New Orleans
House
Project" featuring Kynt (RMX) with remixes by DJ Skip, released on Rising Sun
Records in early November. In December Slater will be the featured remixer on
the first EP with Revolution 9.

B O B - A - D O B
Clubhead Records, Lift & Stillfresh. Cincinnati, OH.
The father of the Cincinnati underground bringing house music to the masses
all
over the globe from Cancun to Chicago.

*Record Release Party*
P E R R Y  " P A R I S "  E L L I S
Skydata, Soiree & 3 to 5. San Francisco to Cincinnati.
Dj or Producer, Techno or House... Jaerron can rock it all superstar style.
Be prepared to dance the night away when Mr. Perry Ellis steps up to the
tables.

X ' I A N   T H E   X M A N
C.B.S. & Audio Recordings. Cincinnati, OH

D J   M O W G L I
C.B.S. & Sweat Recordings. Cincinnati, OH.

N A U T I   G R O O V E
Scrubbing Bubble. Cincinnati, OH.
Resident Dj @ Club Rumba

J A Y   D O W N S
Cincinnati, OH.
Resident Dj @ Club Rumba.

_________________
At The Waterfront
Three Beautiful Virgin Large Capacity Venues:
Inside Club Rumba -- Outside Las Brisas & Coconut Joe's

The Waterfront is a huge barge on the river!

-The Waterfront is absolutely amazing complete with 5 stocked bars,
thumpin' sound, intelligent lighting and a capacity of 2000.

-The Waterfront's friendly, but tight security will be on site for the
entire event, along with local police and paramedics.

-There will be three lines to enter through to ensure fast entry.
Please bring exact change to allow the lines to run more efficiently.

-Please do not bring glass bottles, alcohol, illicit substances or bad
attitudes.
If you plan on drinking please arrange for a designated driver or taxi fare.

Please arrive early - headliners go on early.

Three Venue's Featuring:

Las Brisas and Coconut Joe's
-Intoxicating skyline view
-Swimming pools
-Boat docks
-Palm trees
-Waterfalls
-Only beach bar that actually has a beach (imported sand)
-Hot tub
-3 Bars

Rumba (Inside club)
-Exotic ultra-lounge
-Dance pit
-2 VIP rooms
-2 bars with ice tops

Amazing Sound by: C&D Audio
Intelligent lighting, snow and fog machines!
_________________
Doors open at 9PM
19 & UP W/ID

Only $15 @ Door

Palm and Psychic readers on site!

NO DRESS CODE... but dress to impress!

_____________________________
Directions to the Waterfront:

Club Rumba, Coconut Joe's and Las Brisas

*Only 5 minutes from downtown Cincinnati*

>From Greater Cincinnati area: Take 71/75 to Kentucky and follow main
directions.


>From Dayton: Take 75 South towards Cincy. Follow Louisville/Lexington signs
and
then follow main directions. 

>From Columbus/Cleveland: Take 71 South towards Cincy. 71 & 75 merge, take 75
South and follow main directions. 

>From Indianapolis: Take 465 to 65 to 74 East to 75 South towards Cincy and
follow main directions. 

>From Louisville/Lexington: Take 71/75 North and follow main directions.

MAIN DIRECTIONS: Cross over river into Covington, KY and take the Covington
5th
St exit on the Brent Spence Bridge. Go approx 1/2 mile and turn left on
Bakewell. If you do not wish to valet park, please park OUTSIDE of floodwall
and walk down towards the river. If you want to valet, drive through floodwall
and follow the signs.

For more information please call our information lines and/or visit our
websites at:

Abstrakt Entertainment
513.588.6220
www.abstraktentertainment.com 

The Loco Bros.
513.736.1881
www.locobros.com 

Thanks to all that support Abstrakt Entertainment,
The Loco Bros., electronic music and hip-hop.

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<br>
<b>Enlightenment III: Return to Paradise<br>
<br>
</b><i>The largest of the Holiday Enlightenment Parties!<br>
<br>
</i><b>Saturday September 2nd, 2000<br>
Labor Day Weekend<br>
<br>
</b>featuring performances by:<br>
<br>
<i>*Legendary Old School Hip-Hop Set*<br>
</i><b>D J&nbsp;&nbsp; R E C T A N G L E<br>
</b>DMC World Champion, Funkdoobiest. Los Angeles, CA.<br>
Dj Rectangle is a U.S. and World DMC Champion. Among his many
accomplishments, he has completed 2 world tours, with Warren G and for
MCA's Mix Masters. During his career Rectangle has produced numerous
breakbeat records and mix CD's. He has produced for the Dogg Pound, Kam,
Funkdoobiest, Skeeelo, The Luniz, and many more.<br>
<br>
<i>*Legendary House Music Dj/Producer*<br>
</i><b>R O Y&nbsp;&nbsp; D A V I S&nbsp;&nbsp; J R .<br>
</b>Undaground Therapy Musik. Chicago, IL.<br>
This man has earned respect worldwide as both a producer and dj from
Paris to Barcelona and all over the US he's rocked them all, produced a
#1 hit on dance charts in Europe along with others on major labels and
his own Chicago label Undaground Therapy. A TRUE Chicago house legend and
a genuine staple in the global house community.<br>
<br>
<i>*Jump-Up Jungle Scratch-Master*<br>
</i><b>J . S M O O T H<br>
</b>GFS, F-111, Higher Education, Planet Groove. Philadelphia, PA.<br>
With his unique fusion of Hip-Hop and Drum &amp; Bass, J.Smooth has
become one of the fastest rising DJ/Producers in America. His ability to
mesh raw, funky urban beats with the fast paced technological sounds of
the future has set him apart from those who are quite content to stick
with the same styles and same sounds. Already established as a skilled DJ
all over the nation, his newly emerging talent in the studio shows that
he is more then just the man behind the turntables.<br>
<br>
<i>*Hip-Hop &amp; Turntablism at it's finest*<br>
</i><b>M R . D I B B S&nbsp;&nbsp; &amp;&nbsp;&nbsp; M I K E&nbsp; B
.<br>
</b>1200 Hobos, A.P.S.O., M.O.R. &amp; A.C. Cincinnati, OH.<br>
One of the greatest and most creative turntablist in the world tagging up
on four tables with Mike B. from the up and coming Animal Crackers Dj
Crew. Watch out - you never know what to expect from Mr. Dibbs.<br>
<br>
<i>*Live Drum &amp; Bass Orchestra*<br>
</i><b>T W I L I G H T&nbsp;&nbsp; S L E E P<br>
</b>Zero Point Records &amp; Gravity Bass. Cincinnati, OH<br>
Always a brilliantly fresh new set from Cincinnati's fastest rising group
of performers.<br>
They recently release their 1st dubplate on their new label, Zero Point
Records. Watch out for their next release.<br>
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</b>Music Boutique. Indianapolis, IN.<br>
Slater will be bringin' the soulful and funky disco house sounds straight
outa Indiana, wreckin' it Hoosier style. Slater is working on the
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by DJ Skip, released on Rising Sun Records in early November. In December
Slater will be the featured remixer on the first EP with Revolution
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The father of the Cincinnati underground bringing house music to the
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<br>
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</b>Cincinnati, OH.<br>
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_________________<br>
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Subject: [mw] Revelations of the Second Coming

Elijah451 writes:
<<
 The Second Coming is to be in the spirit, and he is to be so
 enraged with all of mankind that he finally opens the book
 with the seven seals of the end times...meaning it was in
 his agenda to finally "desecrate" the evil, decieving men...
 
 however, those with knowledge would know of this second
 coming and recognise him...
 
 from http://www.sevenseals.com/elijah.html
 
 The Man-child (Sun of Righteousness) is seen in Rev.7:2, ascending 
 (rising) from the east (he is typified as the sun, since the sun also rises
 from the east), showing that he is the Sun of Righteousness (Is.46:11). 
 The Man-child is also described as the Bright and Morning Star in Rev.22:16  
(Sun of Righteousness). The Man-child is the righteous 
 man from the east (sunrise), see Is.41:2,25. The Sun of Righteousness 
 is the latter day Lamb (Elijah messenger) who was killed by the 
Babylonian Beast with some of his Bride.

 
 Ezekiel 25:17
 
 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the
 inequities of the selfish and evil men...blessed is he who in
 the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak 
 through the valley of darkness for he is truly his brothers
 keeper and a finder of lost children...and i will strike upon
 thee with great vengence and furious anger those who
 attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and he will 
 know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengence upon 
 thee...
 
 from the Third Secret of Fatima...
 
 "the Lord our God is One"
 
 from Revelations 3
 
 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple
 of my God, and he shall go no more out; and I will write 
 upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city
 of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down
 out of heaven from my God; and I will write upon him my
 new name
 
 
 from Revelations 13
 
 (with the knowledge that with the theory of relativity, evil men
 will view the Lord as the beast, and he was the one who was
 killed by the sword, but did live)
 
 11 and I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and
 he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragom
 
 12 and he exerciseth all power of the first beast before him, 
 and causeth the earth and them which dwell therin to worship
 the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed
 
 13 and he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come
 down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men
 
 
 Similarities with the first coming...
 
 Psalm 78: 2 - a teacher of parables
 Psalm 41:9 - betrayed by a friend
 Isaiah 53:7 - silent before his accusers
 Isaiah 53:5 - wounded and bruised
 Isaiah 53:12 - crucified with thieves
 Psalm 22:18 - garments parted/lots cast
 Psalm 69:21 - offered gall and vinegar >>

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On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Fergus wrote:

> hehehe
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> 

Anne Heche is a cutie.  I am glad she left that ugly lezbo Ellen.


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hi there!! 

how would you like to win a 10 page covergirl(r) beauty book with a
coupon for a free tiny try of your choice that was addressed to one
jaimmie jo marx? (sorry, not autographed)  

just imagine!!  you could be the only on your side of the block to go to
jewel osco, pick out a tiny try, take it up to the rude cashier lady, hand
her the coupon, wait for her to mess around making the register beep a
lot, wait for the supervisor to come over to turn the key and push a few
buttons... and ONLY HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX ON IT!  all the while not being
able to get through their bad day with any of your attempts to lighten the
mood by sharing your good spirits.

and if you were one of the lucky ones who was also sent one of these, you
could be the only one within a 3 or 4 block radius to do this TWICE!!!

think of how nice it will be to smear that tiny try tube of lipstick all
over your face when you get home... how cool and refreshing it will feel
if you put it in the refrigerator for awhile beforehand...or how crunchy
and tasty it could be if left in the freezer... or even better... warm it
up, kriss, for a limpy lipstick delight!!!  

think of how your cat will love to lick the liquid powder make up off
your face again for a few days.  i know it's been awhile and i'm sure you
missed it, too.

all you need to do to win these amazing prizes is be the first person to
e-mail me with the correct answer to one trivia question along with the
correct reason (in 50 words or less) why you believe your answer is
correct.

this is not a skam... i am NOT TRYING TO RIP YOU OFF.  this is REAL. so
go ahead and take your chances.  what have you got to loose?  

the question is:

sending this coupon to which address would signify compliance with
Requirements for Proper Coupon Redemption?

winner can come pick it up whenever.

good luck!
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Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: [gabber] : Even Furthur :

>
>At 05:32 PM 8/23/00 -0500, atomly wrote:
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> >> Ugh... I don't know... I hear that Atomly guy really sucks...
> >
> >I hear he does more than that for $5.
> >
>
so what exactly will i get for my $5 atom ??

-THE bitch iySyS-

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happy birthday matt !!

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Subject: Re: [mw] Madison-Bugged out

Yesterday I wrote:
>>Miss Holly is now
>>spinning every thurs. night at tutto pasta and there is house/trance on wed
>>and jungle on fri.  Take care, James
>
>I've never been there (Tutto Pasta).  I guess
>I'll have to look into it.

Well, I looked into it.  One might say the answer
was right under my nose all along (oh boy).  I
live DIRECTLY above Tutto Pasta.  I had no idea.
I mean, if I drilled a hole through the floor of
my bedroom I could  catch Miss Hollie from the
comfort of my own home.  I just moved and there's
a million little restaurants down there so I
hadn't noticed before.  Just thought I'd share
my exciting revelation.  "Small world."

Kevin

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>the question is:
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>sending this coupon to which address would signify compliance with
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heres a little trivia fer ya... what mean, coldhearted list admin gives
away my things fer personal gain! chad, those coupons were addressed to
jaimmie jo marx! its very rude to give away other peoples stuff game show
style! whats next? the tv? perhaps the shower curtain? 
i thought you were my friend :'(
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your own? *sigh*

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Subject: [mw] Appomatica Proximita   11.25.00 Lexington KY

Appomatica Proximita

11.25.00

Lexington KY 

Please join us for an evening of art and music at this
unique event.  I will post the line up within the next
couple of weeks. 

If you would like more info on this event please use
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seriously, it was repeated on here until way after it became annoying - did
anyone go?

i'm also curious about how effective telling people about parties on here
actually is.

-t

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ok, there was LOTS of info on the party available here.

who went?  how was it?

-t

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Directions to 
I, Robot
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Hello and props to everyone who has supported Gravitybass.
Gravitybass, a limited edition drum & bass weekly, is held every tuesday
night at Topcats. Your resident selectors are Mowgli every 1st and 3rd
tuesdays and Troll every 2nd and 4th tuesdays.  Following is a list of
events and a schedule for the September 2000. See enclosed picture of
the flier.


Tuesday, September 05, 2000

EMBEE
LONDON, EASTSIDE RECORDS, FUZE RECORDINGS, TRUE PLAYAZ, SPLASH
RECORDINGS, JUICE RECORDS
Embee has been DJ'ing for twelve years and producing for seven years. He
comes from a background of old school hip hop and rare groove/funk. He
records under the name Embee for Juice, Splash, East Side, Fuze, and
True Playaz. He also collaborates under the name Indicas Rhythm.

He currently DJ's weekly on Essex based pirate station Cyndicut FM as
well as playing at various Juice and Splash nights throughout the UK.
Embee has played  all over the world. Embee continues to push forward
the boundaries of drum and bass.  Embees DJ sets consist of fat break
beats and pounding bass.

MK2
NASHVILLE, M.A.D. BASS RECORDINGS

MOWGLI
CINCINNATI, C.B.S., SWEAT

Located at Topcats > 2820 Vine St > 281-2005. 18 and up welcome. $5
cover. Doors open at 10 pm. Open until 2 am. Brought to you by:
Zeropoint Recordings. Web: www.zeropointrecords.com. E-mail:
zeropointrecords@hotmail.com.

--------------------------------------------


Gravitybass schedule for September:

September 12
TROLL > CBS, SWEAT
K-FREY > ZEROPOINT

September 19
CANCELLED

September 26
RUFFDRAPHT NIGHT
SPAHN
JEREMIAH

MC'S FIRECAT, TNT AND BATRE'

Located at Topcats > 2820 Vine St > 281-2005. 18 and up welcome. $3
cover. Doors open at 10 pm. Open until 2 am. Brought to you by:
Zeropoint Recordings. Web: www.zeropointrecords.com. E-mail:
zeropointrecords@hotmail.com.

Peace out . . .

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>and pixie, pixie, pixie... gotta have it all. its not enuff that you have
>your own? *sigh*

um. heh. yeah, it is. at any rate, i don't feasibly see myself being able to afford to come all the way up there to get a coupon for something i don't use, but i do know how to molest a search engine. that's all.

hmph

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2000,  .pixie. wrote:

> 1 Procter & Gamble Plaza, Cincinnati, OH 45202. 

no explanation why you believe so?
wrong answer, anyways. :)

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hey all..i haven't posted anything significant in a
long time so i thought i'd add to that wonderful
tradition =) so here you go..as always in no
particular order:

1. Pascal F.E.O.S. - I Can Feel That [WJH Mix] - PV
2. Eclectronic - Solar Flare - Privilege Records
3. Multiplicity 2 (O.Lieb) - And/Or EP - Dimension
4. Sasha/Darren Emerson - Scorchio - White
5. Kinesis - Nexus - Intrisinc Records
6. Pappa & Gilbey - Interference - Choo Choo
7. Aquasky vs. Master Blasters - Sureshot - Botchit
Breaks
8. Mainline - Narcotic - Bedrock
9. Cajun - Echoplex - Fluid Records
10. Float - Nothing Seems Real - Superstition

Also..on a little sidenote..those of you who like
downtempo/ambient stuff, do check out Oliver Lieb's
new cd (it's under LSG) called Into Deep. It's gotta
be some of the best ambient I've ever heard in my
life.

=)
Misha

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Subject: [mw] so much for pirate radio!!

a bit ago i posted about how the newest thang wuz internet
pirate radio, well now that is already coming to an end here
in cow town!!

article in THE OTHER tells about how the FCC is cracking
down on Columbus now!!

Radio Free in da Hood had been broadcasting under 91.5fm 
here in Columbus for about a year now...Well the Feds came in 
and busted "Estefan", who ran the station out of his basement
along with other local underground dj's....

Since the FCC doesn't issue licenses to such low power stations,
Estefan couldn't get a license even if he wanted to...In other words,
if you're not rich or corporate sponsored, you get busted!!

The Feds triangulated his exact position and knew exactly when he
was playing...Estefan thinks a licensed station may have tipped them
off.

Penalties for pirate radio include: seizure of equipment, ineligibility
for an FCC license, up to $10,000 fine, and one year in prison...
However, first time offenders are usually only fined $2000...

Feds claim pirate radio may jam emergency frequencies & may
affect licensed stations...However, Estefan protested that he had
the proper filters and signal locking devices to prevent his station
from causing such disturbances...

Ironically, the FCC has recognized that low powered stations should
also be able to acquire a license and plans to issue them in November.

Estefan has shut his station down and hopes that the bust will not 
effect his chances of acquiring that license in the future.

Radio Free in da Hood was a pretty popular pirate radio station,
because Estefan allowed a variety of people on his show and
welcomed all those that listened to participate.

LoL, i remember when i got my first FCC warning, for accidently
cursing on the air!


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Subject: [mw] This Saturday, RED- Indianapolis, IN

LORE PRODUCTIONS presents:

RED
AUGUST 26TH
indianapolis, in

$18 with canned good or wearing all red before midnight....$20 with canned
good or wearing all red after midnight....$25 at any time if you don't
wear all red or bring a canned good...we are donating all canned goods to
the local food kitchen so be nice and bring one!

featuring the talents of:

Oliver Ho - [london, uk meta/blueprint/surface/drumcode/planet rhythm] 

Mumtaz - [chicago, il - elegal underground] 

Eye-D  - [the netherlands - mokum records, def wish records, kultbox
records, ghetto safari, black monolith breaks, coolman records] 

Derek Plaslaiko - [detroit - detroit bachelor djs, konfused?]

-----spinning a very special 2 hr 3 way tagteam on 4 turntables---------

Shiva [indianapolis, in - goddess complex, subterror]

Matt Bandy [lexington, ky - aliensquad, subterror]

Adam Jay [indianapolis, in - azure records, subterror]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------

React [cincinnati, oh - subsonik productions]

Slater Hogan [indianapolis, in - genius insanity, muzique boutique]

Varsha - [indianapolis, in - subterror, psychedelic trance liberation
front, scarab]

Chad M. Sponholz [milwaukee,wi - konfused?]

Matt Sntx [chicago, il - konfused?]

-------special interactive performance by-----------

The Chef [louisville, ky - SKL]

Strange Loop [louisville, ky - SKL - www.strangeloop.nu]

Marky Mark [cincinnati, oh - SKL - architecture geek]

=========
sound and RED lighting scheme provided by: Log2, Indianapolis, IN
visuals by: VAST - dayton, oh

infoline: 317 - 767 5962 - lore productions
email: teknoho@konfused.net or lorie@konfused.net for more info...all
guest list requests must be made by august 20th. 

*PLEASE CALL INFO LINE ON SATURDAY FOR DIRECTIONS TO THE VENUE.

jello wrestling provided by: playmate productions of bloomington, in 

to view flyer go to http://www.angelfire.com/in/azurerecords/red.html

SUPPORT INFOLINES:
full spectrum - chicago 773 509 6343
aliensquad - lexington - 859-296-7800
SUBterror- indianapolis - (317)335-mixx
teknomafia- indianapolis - (317)579-3007
subsonik - cincinnati - (513)682.3282  http://subsonik.linenoiz.com 
www.trustthedj.com
=================================

shoutouts to everyone who made this event possible. we are totally
grateful and totally amazed at the numbers of people who helped us make
this party happen. we put our heart and soul into this party and it is
dedicated for all of you who still have a love for what goes down when the
bass goes up. enjoy!

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Hello,
  I haven't read Wisconson Death Trip but I saw the
movie.  It was on show time one day an it sounded
interesting and low and belold most of it is filmed in
the town my Dad is from.  I visit Black River falls 2
times a year every year since birth.  It was just
really wierd to see all these places on the movie and
say "hey! I've been there" or hey! I know that guy"
espically when the movie it called something like
Wisconson Death trip.  I just though it was an
interesting bit I wanted to share.  It was fun
watching all these stories I had heard as a kid in
this movie and I can't tell you hom many time's I've
been up and down the Black river in a boat.  It really
if beautiful in Black River Falls you should watch the
movie to see it or better yet take a bit of a drive
and see the river yourself.  Great snowmobile trails
for the winter vacationer :)

              The Good Cookie

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Subject: RE: [mw] whose goin to RED !!!!?????

yer mom is gonna escort me into RED.
but don't worry amanda...she'll be wearing all red, so she'll get the neat 5
dollar discount.


i'll be there.

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Subject: [mw] so much for pirate radio!!


a bit ago i posted about how the newest thang wuz internet
pirate radio, well now that is already coming to an end here
in cow town!!

article in THE OTHER tells about how the FCC is cracking
down on Columbus now!!

Radio Free in da Hood had been broadcasting under 91.5fm 
here in Columbus for about a year now...Well the Feds came in 
and busted "Estefan", who ran the station out of his basement
along with other local underground dj's....

Since the FCC doesn't issue licenses to such low power stations,
Estefan couldn't get a license even if he wanted to...In other words,
if you're not rich or corporate sponsored, you get busted!!

The Feds triangulated his exact position and knew exactly when he
was playing...Estefan thinks a licensed station may have tipped them
off.

Penalties for pirate radio include: seizure of equipment, ineligibility
for an FCC license, up to $10,000 fine, and one year in prison...
However, first time offenders are usually only fined $2000...

Feds claim pirate radio may jam emergency frequencies & may
affect licensed stations...However, Estefan protested that he had
the proper filters and signal locking devices to prevent his station
from causing such disturbances...

###  They do not work that way. You will *always* get *some* interference
from a transmitter, no matter *what* type of devices are used. Its just
simple physics. You can minimize it to some extent, but you can't get rid of
it completely.
All the signal locking device does is keep his signal from bleeding over
into other frequencies which might be used by a commercial station. The
filters, well, he is probably talking about the filters used to keep the IF
from emitting, but Im not sure. But, AFAIK, the filters wouldn't do much,
but without seeing his configuration, its hard to say. So, the FCC does have
a point, albeit a very small, lame one. ;)

Ironically, the FCC has recognized that low powered stations should
also be able to acquire a license and plans to issue them in November.

### THIS is a godsend! Im glad to see that they are coming off of they
"party" line and starting to make sense! 

Estefan has shut his station down and hopes that the bust will not 
effect his chances of acquiring that license in the future.

Radio Free in da Hood was a pretty popular pirate radio station,
because Estefan allowed a variety of people on his show and
welcomed all those that listened to participate.

LoL, i remember when i got my first FCC warning, for accidently
cursing on the air!

### FWIW, the FCC has been VERY lenient as of late due to lack of funding.
Back in 97 when I went to take my FCC test along with the microwave and
radar test, I found out that the FCC had just given up its rights over
certain microwave bands due to Teledesic beating them out of it in court.(
BTW, a bill gates backed company, anyone recogize the name "tiny pebbles"?
Its Bill Gates geosync sats that do worldwide radio based inet. Teledesic is
at the heart of the project)

So, it seems that the ONLY authority that is able to administer the
microwave and radar test is Teledesic! So, what does that mean to the rest
of us? Well, many DOD contractor positions that *require* the test for the
position will not be able to be filled as the older HFRF engrs retire. So,
Bill Gates now has a monopoly on the most important bands of RF.

Needless to say I was so disgusted with the whole episode that I decided not
to take my FCC test because in reality it now wasn't worth very much without
the microwave/radar test.

Musta been the govt conspiring against me again.  ;)

I feel for the guy who got busted, but honestly, the FCC doesn't have much
money as it is and I *doubt* they will run him through with maximum
sentencing and such like they used to in days of yore. So, he will prolly
get off with probation. But, we shall see.

Stations used to be shut down for "natnl security" reasons and "general
welfare". They didn't want a few hundred idiots all broadcasting at the same
time on radio channels when there could be a nuclear war or an air raid and
ppl would need to be notified in an instant.

Nowadays,lets all be honest: These days, the reason pirate radio stations
are put down: they are a HUGE source for rallying ppl for a cause, cause
interference and supposedly "loss of business" for advertising, and can
bring ppl together like no other media. If its not for state-approved
reasons (such as advertising, pay-for-play schemes, dumbing down the
populace, pushing war-on-dr#gs, political agendas, etc) then they are shut
down. 

Rob


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Me.
;)
Rob


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yer mom is gonna escort me into RED.
but don't worry amanda...she'll be wearing all red, so she'll get the neat 5
dollar discount.


i'll be there.

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i am...

matter of fact, i'm 'sposed to be picking up derek on saturday...

and i'll be either opening or closing with some damn fine electro.

yummay.

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Subject: [mw] ATTENTION RAVERS FROM MICHIGAN


your life could be in danger:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/det/news/stories/news-20000825-080211.html

i hope you didn't suck on the pacifier dipped in ecstasy.

or the dust mask dipped in pcp, although that one's not mentioned in the 
article.

neither is the water bottle dipped in heroin, or the glowstick dipped in 
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nnothing is still available for the following friday/saturday dates:
september 1
september 2
september 22
october 21
october 27
plus all of november and december except december 9

nnothing is also available for any weekday club events

that will be all
peace
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great now that i know your goin i have to figure out something else to 
wear....cant be wrestling on the floor in my nice clothes...hmmmm

what makes good wrestling clothes ???

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: "Topping, Micah (Mastech)" <micah.topping-eds@eds.com>
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>
>yer mom is gonna escort me into RED.
>but don't worry amanda...she'll be wearing all red, so she'll get the neat 
>5
>dollar discount.
>
>
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>
>what makes good wrestling clothes ???

a thong (thong thong thong thong thong)

shoot me plz, I can't feel my legs,
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> what makes good wrestling clothes ???
for you good wrestling clothes better include clean underwear so you won't
be embarrased
when the medics cart you away

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From mw-raves-return-6168-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Aug 25 15:00:56 2000
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If you get thrown hard enough they will end up soiled anyway. ;)
So don't worry about it too much. 

Rob


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> what makes good wrestling clothes ???
for you good wrestling clothes better include clean underwear so you won't
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I will be there...

Glowworm (Heather)


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>???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>
>-THE bitch iySyS-
>
>Technos not dead, its just really FUCKING TIRED !!!!!!!
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Just out of curiosity, is anyone from columbus going to this?  Any open
seats?  ... would be willing to pay gas moolah.  

I'd drive, but my car just isn't up for the trip... :/

Tanks... 

-MikeY!

On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:

> LORE PRODUCTIONS presents:
> 
> RED
> AUGUST 26TH
> indianapolis, in

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That's why you get a shell account and use BitchX :)

-MikeY!

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> > what makes good wrestling clothes ???
>for you good wrestling clothes better include clean underwear so you won't
>be embarrased
>when the medics cart you away
>


are you being so bold as to even imply that you can kick my ass....HAHAHAHA 
!!! that fuckin funny...but i guess theres a first time for everything !!!

-THE bitch iySyS-

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>   I haven't read Wisconson Death Trip but I saw the
> movie.  It was on show time one day an it sounded

Now if you've seen the movie, go out and by the Static-X cd called
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Oh NO! The last time I was raving in Ludington this girl told me chlymidia 
would really "bring on my roll," so I sucked on a pacifier dipped in it...


>
>
>your life could be in danger:
>http://www.clickondetroit.com/det/news/stories/news-20000825-080211.html
>
>i hope you didn't suck on the pacifier dipped in ecstasy.
>
>or the dust mask dipped in pcp, although that one's not mentioned in the
>article.
>
>neither is the water bottle dipped in heroin, or the glowstick dipped in
>crystal meth.
>

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>Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:28:10 -0500 (EST)
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>Anne Heche is a cutie.  I am glad she left that ugly lezbo Ellen.And I'm 
>glad she bought all those pills off of me. I can get that gold-plated 
>ferrari now.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:21:17 -0500, Brzykcy Robert wrote:
>Feds claim pirate radio may jam emergency frequencies & may
>affect licensed stations...However, Estefan protested that he had
>the proper filters and signal locking devices to prevent his station
>from causing such disturbances...
>
>###  They do not work that way. You will *always* get *some* interference
>from a transmitter, no matter *what* type of devices are used. Its just
>simple physics. You can minimize it to some extent, but you can't get rid of
>it completely.  All the signal locking device does is keep his signal from bleeding over
>into other frequencies which might be used by a commercial station. The
>filters, well, he is probably talking about the filters used to keep the IF
>from emitting, but Im not sure. But, AFAIK, the filters wouldn't do much,
>but without seeing his configuration, its hard to say. So, the FCC does have
>a point, albeit a very small, lame one. ;)

The filters are to remove the harmonics so you don't cause interference
with stations on higher or lower frequencies than yours, that you may
not realize you are interfering with.

Having filters is extremely important to keep from being fucked with.
Usually, if you are not interfering with someone elses broadcasts
you won't be bothered.  Of course, there are always exceptions.

Don't interfere, don't piss people off (especially other broadcasters),
and the chances of being shut down are greatly reduced - but then
pissing people off is half the fun !



>Ironically, the FCC has recognized that low powered stations should
>also be able to acquire a license and plans to issue them in November.
>
>### THIS is a godsend! Im glad to see that they are coming off of they
>"party" line and starting to make sense! 


This is a crock of shit.  You have to go through all sorts of
red tape, plus you has to be a "community" station, offering
something that benefits the community.   Sure that's great and
all, but there should be room for the freaks too.   Maybe people
like hearing weird music and strange rantings ? We already have
local non-profit stations and NPR.  I want unique radio !
It's better then nothing I suppose.  By the way, churches are
snatching up most of these low power community radio licenses.
Great for them...shit for those who feel radio is conservative enough already.

	- Joe



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[jes <jes@pubnix.org>]
> 
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY MATT HELLIGE!!	
> 
> /me is buyin you many a bowling pin shaped bottle of beer tonight at the
> bowling alley
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> 
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a belated thanks to all who wished me a happy birthday!



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well don't hesitate telling us what happened!  i've got a NUK right here all
juiced up and i'm ready to just go at it if it worked for you...

-t

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Oh NO! The last time I was raving in Ludington this girl told me chlymidia 
would really "bring on my roll," so I sucked on a pacifier dipped in it...


>
>
>your life could be in danger:
>http://www.clickondetroit.com/det/news/stories/news-20000825-080211.html
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everybody knows you dont dip stuff in x.... you somke
it!!!!

-matt 
--- Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com> wrote:
> well don't hesitate telling us what happened!  i've
> got a NUK right here all
> juiced up and i'm ready to just go at it if it
> worked for you...
> 
> -t
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [mw] ATTENTION RAVERS FROM MICHIGAN
> 
> 
> Oh NO! The last time I was raving in Ludington this
> girl told me chlymidia 
> would really "bring on my roll," so I sucked on a
> pacifier dipped in it...
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >your life could be in danger:
>
>http://www.clickondetroit.com/det/news/stories/news-20000825-080211.html
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oh yeah, and i wanna direct the porn that shows someone dipping (dunking?) a
pacifier in chlymidia.  direct from the source?  beautiful...

-t

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Oh NO! The last time I was raving in Ludington this girl told me chlymidia 
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<< yummay.
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Damn, that sux... I hate when nothing's available...

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-----Original Message-----
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:21:17 -0500, Brzykcy Robert wrote:
>Feds claim pirate radio may jam emergency frequencies & may
>affect licensed stations...However, Estefan protested that he had
>the proper filters and signal locking devices to prevent his station
>from causing such disturbances...
>
>###  They do not work that way. You will *always* get *some* interference
>from a transmitter, no matter *what* type of devices are used. Its just
>simple physics. You can minimize it to some extent, but you can't get rid
of
>it completely.  All the signal locking device does is keep his signal from
bleeding over
>into other frequencies which might be used by a commercial station. The
>filters, well, he is probably talking about the filters used to keep the IF
>from emitting, but Im not sure. But, AFAIK, the filters wouldn't do much,
>but without seeing his configuration, its hard to say. So, the FCC does
have
>a point, albeit a very small, lame one. ;)

The filters are to remove the harmonics so you don't cause interference
with stations on higher or lower frequencies than yours, that you may
not realize you are interfering with

### True, but in a lot of *modern* equipment these filters are included and
aren't something you have to be sure to *add* on. This is why I said
additional filters prolly wouldn't do much. I don't know what configuration
he is using, so its hard to say whether added filters are neccesary or not
and what effect they would have. Generally speaking, with a good transmitter
and a freq lock you can do an outright fantastic job of squashing the
bandwidth so you don't interfere at all. But, then again, there are
proximity issues where even if you are not tuned to the pirate station, it
comes through your radio. You cannot avoid proximity issues. Prime example
of a bust occurring like this is a lady who lived next to a guy who was
operating a pirate radio station. She called the police reporting having
ghosts in her house who would talk through an unplugged radio. The cops
pulled up, and tried to CB into headquarters to report that they arrived.
The CB was filled with crosstalk from this guys rig. Turns out the old lady
had a 1938 tube radio which had enough RF induced into it to be able to
slightly hear the pirate rig next door without any power to the radio!

Having filters is extremely important to keep from being fucked with.
Usually, if you are not interfering with someone elses broadcasts
you won't be bothered.  Of course, there are always exceptions.

### True also. Esp if you are using some older equipment that may or may not
be out of calibration or may be starting to go into bleed over and generate
all kinds of stray harmonics. With newer gear, this shouldnt even be an
issue. DSP has done a lot for this area. This too, is something that the FCC
can no longer use as an excuse to shut pirate station down. I would guess
that many amateurs in some areas have newer and therefore better gear than
some of local commercial broadcasters! 

Don't interfere, don't piss people off (especially other broadcasters),
and the chances of being shut down are greatly reduced - but then
pissing people off is half the fun !

>Ironically, the FCC has recognized that low powered stations should
>also be able to acquire a license and plans to issue them in November.
>
>### THIS is a godsend! Im glad to see that they are coming off of they
>"party" line and starting to make sense! 

This is a crock of shit.  You have to go through all sorts of
red tape, plus you has to be a "community" station, offering
something that benefits the community.   Sure that's great and
all, but there should be room for the freaks too.   Maybe people
like hearing weird music and strange rantings ? We already have
local non-profit stations and NPR.  I want unique radio !
It's better then nothing I suppose.  By the way, churches are
snatching up most of these low power community radio licenses.
Great for them...shit for those who feel radio is conservative enough
already.

### Really!?!? Wait a second. It hasn't been set into motion yet, so let's
not make any assumptions about the regs. Since its low power, they might
*not* require all that *community* based programming. Maybe they will even
*streamline* the process. We won't know for a bit. Lets hope there are no
topical restrictions for the broadcast. As for unique radio, you and me
both, I think everyone is about fed up with pay-for-play schemes and
constant advertising that regular radio has. Not to mention the stupid
digital DJ machines that just randomly flip through a set of "cleared" songs
and do the same ones all day long. Thats annoying.

Churches? You would think that there are already enough broadcast evangelism
for the govt to say "okay, thats enough".. Well, I guess the IRS makes too
much money bustin em to want to hold back on giving them broadcast licenses.
Follow the bouncing dollar! Case in point: Indianapolis Baptist Temple
anyone? IRS is tearing them a new one.

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:28:43 -0500, Brzykcy Robert wrote:
>
>### Really!?!? Wait a second. It hasn't been set into motion yet, so let's
>not make any assumptions about the regs.


It HAS already been set in motion.

http://www.fcc.gov/mmb/prd/lpfm/


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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:35:43 -0500, Dynamic Groove wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:28:43 -0500, Brzykcy Robert wrote:
>>
>>### Really!?!? Wait a second. It hasn't been set into motion yet, so let's
>>not make any assumptions about the regs.
>
>
>It HAS already been set in motion.
>
>http://www.fcc.gov/mmb/prd/lpfm/



In addition, from the faq:


3) Who will be eligible to be licensed to operate low power FM stations?

The LPFM service is a noncommercial radio service. Eligible licensees will be noncommercial government or private educational organizations, associations 
or entities, and government or non-profit entities providing local public safety or transportation services. *** Individuals will not be eligible to apply for LPFM 
stations ***  To foster local ownership and diversity, during the two years of LPFM license eligibility, licensees will be limited to local entities that are physically 
headquartered, or have a campus, or have 75% of their board members residing within 10 miles of the station. In addition, during the first two years, no entity 
may own more than one LPFM station in any community. In order to create opportunities for new voices on the airwaves, no existing broadcaster or other 
media entity subject to our ownership rules will be eligible for an LPFM station.


Like I said, a crock of shit.

	- Joe


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So there are a few hoops to jump through.  Becoming a "private
educational organization, association or entity" isn't too hard.  "This is happy-tech-trance-house-acid-breaks song."  There, you've just provided educational programming.


Tom

Dynamic Groove wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:35:43 -0500, Dynamic Groove wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:28:43 -0500, Brzykcy Robert wrote:
> >>
> >>### Really!?!? Wait a second. It hasn't been set into motion yet, so let's
> >>not make any assumptions about the regs.
> >
> >
> >It HAS already been set in motion.
> >
> >http://www.fcc.gov/mmb/prd/lpfm/
>
> In addition, from the faq:
>
> 3) Who will be eligible to be licensed to operate low power FM stations?
>
> The LPFM service is a noncommercial radio service. Eligible licensees will be noncommercial government or private educational organizations, associations
> or entities, and government or non-profit entities providing local public safety or transportation services. *** Individuals will not be eligible to apply for LPFM
> stations ***  To foster local ownership and diversity, during the two years of LPFM license eligibility, licensees will be limited to local entities that are physically
> headquartered, or have a campus, or have 75% of their board members residing within 10 miles of the station. In addition, during the first two years, no entity
> may own more than one LPFM station in any community. In order to create opportunities for new voices on the airwaves, no existing broadcaster or other
> media entity subject to our ownership rules will be eligible for an LPFM station.
>
> Like I said, a crock of shit.
>
>         - Joe
>
> _________________________
> Joe Carroll - Madison, WI
> Dynamic Groove Entertainment
> events@dynamicgroove.com
> www.dynamicgroove.com
> AIM: LightFantastik
> ICQ# 20984041
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Well, I think the real problem is that "individuals" will not be permitted
to have a license. Couple that with only a few days with which to file and
all the other "hoops" and you have something that was obviously made to be
useful to a *very* select few. Sort of like IPOs, where all the rich are the
only ones who get a chance at what is supposedly "public". Yeah, you are
right Joe, its a crock. Obviously a backscratch deal went on somewhere.
Maybe a the son of a senator got busted recently? Who knows. This is NOT for
public consumption, regardless.

Rob


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So there are a few hoops to jump through.  Becoming a "private
educational organization, association or entity" isn't too hard.  "This is
happy-tech-trance-house-acid-breaks song."  There, you've just provided
educational programming.


Tom

Dynamic Groove wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:35:43 -0500, Dynamic Groove wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:28:43 -0500, Brzykcy Robert wrote:
> >>
> >>### Really!?!? Wait a second. It hasn't been set into motion yet, so
let's
> >>not make any assumptions about the regs.
> >
> >
> >It HAS already been set in motion.
> >
> >http://www.fcc.gov/mmb/prd/lpfm/
>
> In addition, from the faq:
>
> 3) Who will be eligible to be licensed to operate low power FM stations?
>
> The LPFM service is a noncommercial radio service. Eligible licensees will
be noncommercial government or private educational organizations,
associations
> or entities, and government or non-profit entities providing local public
safety or transportation services. *** Individuals will not be eligible to
apply for LPFM
> stations ***  To foster local ownership and diversity, during the two
years of LPFM license eligibility, licensees will be limited to local
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> headquartered, or have a campus, or have 75% of their board members
residing within 10 miles of the station. In addition, during the first two
years, no entity
> may own more than one LPFM station in any community. In order to create
opportunities for new voices on the airwaves, no existing broadcaster or
other
> media entity subject to our ownership rules will be eligible for an LPFM
station.
>
> Like I said, a crock of shit.
>
>         - Joe
>
> _________________________
> Joe Carroll - Madison, WI
> Dynamic Groove Entertainment
> events@dynamicgroove.com
> www.dynamicgroove.com
> AIM: LightFantastik
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>From: James  Martin <theworm@evansville.net>
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>hmmm I'll be there :)

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chrisege@hotmail.com writes:

<< http://www.clickondetroit.com/det/news/stories/news-20000825-080211.html
 
 i hope you didn't suck on the pacifier dipped in ecstasy. >>

yeah, i think they meant GHB (often refered to as liquid ecstacy,
but definitly *not* MDMA)

there has been a rash of GHB around here...the worst is when it
is put in a nonsuspecting recipient's alcoholic beverage...the 
effect is much akin to over-drinking...the victim often feels nauseous
and passes out...it is used as a date rape drug when mixed with 
alcohol...it also has been used to rob unsuspecting victims while
they are passed out...

this article sounds like another media ploy to induce fear against
raves, unfortunately due to its disinformation, it loses its credibility.
...when is the media going to figure out ravers do not possess the
knowledge or the funds to synthesize illegal drugs...instead of 
using ravers as scapegoats, they should seek the true source of
the shade...

in addition the link they have to the article stating that MDMA causes
permanent brain damage of the serotonin is inaccurate also...the
test subjects for most of the MDMA research were monkeys that
were given up to six times the typical dosage of the average raver...

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I thought the days of James and the giant Tigger were over.. Hrm. Well, I
guess I will find out Saturday.
Btw, who is actually going to dress in ALL red? I hope not many, since its
been found to arouse acting out by ppl.


rob


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>From: James  Martin <theworm@evansville.net>
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>hmmm I'll be there :)

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>
>unfortunately due to its disinformation, it loses its credibility.
>...when is the media going to figure out ravers do not possess the
>knowledge or the funds to synthesize illegal drugs...instead of 
>using ravers as scapegoats, they should seek the true source of
>the shade...

stevie t, i'm gonna tell you this again.  the components used to make GHB or
GBL are available very cheaply over the internet in a style that allows
someone that has the chemical know-how to make Jell-O on their own to create
hundreds of doses.  the cost would not be more than they are already able to
come up with to pay admission to a party (< $50 for sure).  your argument
here does not hold water, at least when you're talking about GHB.

so the true source of the shade is someone spreading dis-information?  like
someone who kept stating that ravers do not possess the knowledge or the
funds to synthesize GHB?

if you keep making this argument, i will post the recipe here just so we can
discuss INFORMATION instead of the LACK OF INFORMATION and end this once and
for all.  bah, like that could ever actually happen.

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 I'll be there...

    *Shandi*

"Topping, Micah (Mastech)" wrote:

> yer mom is gonna escort me into RED.
> but don't worry amanda...she'll be wearing all red, so she'll get the neat 5
> dollar discount.
>
> i'll be there.
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Tony Sebion wrote:

>
> stevie t, i'm gonna tell you this again.  the components used to make GHB or
> GBL are available very cheaply over the internet

Where?  These components USED to be available cheaply over the net.  Now that
they are both schedule II substances, good luck finding them.  You'd have to
import them from overseas and somehow get them through customs, or else bring
them in clandestinely.  You're right about how easy it is to make, tho.


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Believe it or not folks...

I'm coming out of hiding. I will be there. =)

-Becky =)

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>this article sounds like another media ploy to induce fear against
>raves, unfortunately due to its disinformation, it loses its credibility.
>...when is the media going to figure out ravers do not possess the
>knowledge or the funds to synthesize illegal drugs...instead of
>using ravers as scapegoats, they should seek the true source of
>the shade...

I'd say it sounds more to me like an honest attempt to save the lives of 
ravers that might've contracted a deadly disease.

but whatever, it could be a sinister conspiracy to bring us all down.  after 
all, you said so and you founded the scene.  But.  I think I'd know about 
it, considering the site that article came from is run by the company I work 
for.

chris
does that make me a co-conspirator?
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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< so the true source of the shade is someone spreading dis-information?  like
 someone who kept stating that ravers do not possess the knowledge or the
 funds to synthesize GHB? >>

tony, why must you be such pestulence?

i was, clearly talking about the synthesizing of MDMA (the drug
of choice amongst ravers)...quit twisting my words around!

in addition, your consistent bragging that you have made GHB
before only makes you look that much more shady!!

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chrisege@hotmail.com writes:

<<  But.  I think I'd know about 
 it, considering the site that article came from is run by the company I work 
 for.
 
 chris
 does that make me a co-conspirator? >>

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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 Theelight316@aol.com wrote:

> no comment necessary there.

then why did you?

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from stevie t:

><< so the true source of the shade is someone spreading dis-information?
like
> someone who kept stating that ravers do not possess the knowledge or the
> funds to synthesize GHB? >>
>
>in addition, your consistent bragging that you have made GHB
>before only makes you look that much more shady!!

AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!! i'm not bragging, this just happens to be
something i have first-hand knowledge about that i can call you wrong about
- i'm spreading truth, baby, something you're all for!  bragging about
having skillz to make GHB would be like bragging that you're talented enough
to drive up to a Jiffy Lube to get an oil change. 

although i have heard that doing that sort of thing will keep your car in
working order, oh i mean keep the gov't from destroying it.  and giving you
pink eye.

man, i need a vacation.
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Subject: [mw] slave to the beast

 Steviet069:     boo! 
 Monet1495:  you are scarry
 Steviet069:     um, u mean 'scarey'? 
 Monet1495:  scarry 
 Steviet069:     bahahaha 
 Steviet069:     it amazes me, how u can barely spell & u are one of the 
highest paid people @ bank one, thanks to your dad 
 Monet1495:  not thanks to my dad
 Steviet069:     lol, yeah right 
 Monet1495:  i know my shit 
 Steviet069:     but it was yur dad that got u into it 
 Steviet069:     u never even went to college 
 Monet1495:  i took a test way before they even knew  
 Steviet069:     whatever 
 Monet1495:  i dident have to 
 Monet1495:  they train there 
 Steviet069:     it was favoritism & u know it 
 Monet1495:  nope
 Monet1495:  think what u want but i know my shit 
 Steviet069:     thanks to your dad 
 Monet1495:  nope
 Monet1495:  are u on crack all the time? 
 Steviet069:     no, but u were the one that introduced me to thunder the ghb 
alternative tho 
 Monet1495:  and your point is? 
 Steviet069:     ain't that the pot calling the kettle black? 
 Monet1495:  i dont any more 
 Steviet069:     what, give a ghb alternative to kids? 
 Monet1495:  maybe you need paxil or somthing 
 Steviet069:     wuzzat? 
 Monet1495:  ? 
 Monet1495:  look it up maybe it can help you 
 Steviet069:     lol 
 Monet1495:  you do need some help 
 Steviet069:     you're a regular pharmacist 
 Monet1495:  na just a computer geek 
 Monet1495:  lol 
 Steviet069:     help because i don't take your drugs? 
 Monet1495:  i dont take drugs any more 
 Monet1495:  there lame now 
 Steviet069:     or because i don't have a dad that can hook me up w/ a job? 
 Monet1495:  my dad dident 
 Steviet069:     it's "they're" contractive for "they are" 
 Steviet069:     it's "didn't" contractive for "did not" 
 Monet1495:  dident 
 Steviet069:     perhaps your dad did dent your head when he dropped you when 
you were a baby ;) 
 Monet1495:  i think you were beaten as a child 
 Monet1495:  and it still dident do any good 
 Steviet069:     hoy ve, no creativity what so ever 
 Monet1495:  i really do think you need help 
 Monet1495:  i really do 
 Monet1495:  have you ever seen a shrink in your lifetime? 
 Steviet069:     the only help i need is the good Lord, keepin his word, 
ridding the world of the evil men who produces the likes of you 
 Monet1495:  or maybe you need to join a church help group 
 Monet1495:  or just join the church 
 Monet1495:  how am I evil? 
 Steviet069:     i've seen the IQ of the typical american teenager "shrink" 
past the years 
 Monet1495:  that just means your getting older 
 Steviet069:     your place of employment 
 Steviet069:     it's you're as in you are 
 Monet1495:  how is it evil 
 Monet1495:  join a church 
 Steviet069:     you work there & haven't heard the horror stories about your 
company?...i don't believe it! 
 Monet1495:  oh please 
 Monet1495:  oie!!!!! 
 Steviet069:     it's hoy ve! 
 Monet1495:  your just mad at your life and the world 
 Monet1495:  no its OIE 
 Monet1495:  the short of the word 
 Steviet069:     yes i am mad at how stupid this world has become to be so 
easily decieved by the devil 
 Steviet069:     bahahaha! 
 Steviet069:     u crack me up! 
 Monet1495:  then go to your world and leave us alone....or just get HELP 
 Monet1495:  you just make me wonder 
 Steviet069:     i think the irony of it shall be the inbrededness 
 Steviet069:     ya, like wonder bread!? 
 Monet1495:  nope 
 Monet1495:  just wonder 
 Steviet069:     i think alot of things make you wonder 
 Monet1495:  i can see you on top of a water tower with a AK47 sceaming about 
the world 
 Steviet069:     screaming you mean? 
 Monet1495:  nope 
 Steviet069:     um, ok 
 Steviet069:     so, u mean 'sceaming' 
 Monet1495:  do u ever think about ending your life? 
 Monet1495:  have you ever thought about joing a church? 
 Steviet069:     joining, you mean? 
 Monet1495:  a church 
 Steviet069:     have you? 
 Monet1495:  the job for you is being a monk 
 Monet1495:  no i love my job 
 Steviet069:     i don't think you have even opened a bible! 
 Steviet069:     let alone read that much! 
 Monet1495:  yep sure have 
 Steviet069:     what did you read in the bible? 
 Monet1495:  i have never gone to church 
 Steviet069:     that explains alot 
 Monet1495:  but it dosent bother me 
 Monet1495:  what i believe is what i believe 
 Monet1495:  i dont need to go to a place that says the same thing 
 Steviet069:     what do you believe? 
 Monet1495:  i believe in alot of things 
 Steviet069:     but not God? 
 Monet1495:  and of many believes 
 Monet1495:  yes i believe in god 
 Steviet069:     you mean beliefs? 
 Monet1495:  and hell 
 Steviet069:     so you believe in satan? 
 Monet1495:  and reincarnation 
 Monet1495:  yes 
 Steviet069:     so what do you think satan would want when he returned to 
the earth? 
 Monet1495:  what ever he wants 
 Steviet069:     and how do you think he will get whatever he wants? 
 Monet1495:  i believe that the human body is a temple and you pray there 
 Steviet069:     you pray inside your body? 
 Monet1495:  dont know never met him 
 Monet1495:  lol 
 Monet1495:  you pray to your self...and god will hear 
 Steviet069:     lol, what is your official job title now? 
 Monet1495:  I work in the midrange 
 Steviet069:     but what is your official title? 
 Monet1495:  for the servers that carry info to the mainframs 
 Monet1495:  midrange operator 
 Steviet069:     and what does your duties entail? 
 Monet1495:  we watch over the servers and make sure the info is being 
carried to the mainframs and if not we fix them 
 Monet1495:  and we also do backups for the servers to tape  
 Monet1495:  its a great job 
 Steviet069:     you're a programmer, basically, correct? 
 Monet1495:  sort of 
 Steviet069:     or encoder? 
 Steviet069:     or slave to the beast? 
 Monet1495:  nope 
 Steviet069:     ever watch the movie 'the matrix" 
 Monet1495:  i have a great job that pays very well.....and i love it 
 Monet1495:  yes i have...great show 
 Steviet069:     how humans all end up as batteries for the super computer 
beast? 
 Monet1495:  yes..but its a MOVIE!!! 
 Monet1495:  like star wars 
 Steviet069:     well, that's where the path of humanity is headed toward 
 Monet1495:  you think so huh 
 Steviet069:     everyone in front of their computers every waking hour of 
the day and in front of their tv's at night...no social...no chance of 
creation..the
perfect slaves
 Monet1495:  then why do u have a computer? 
 Monet1495:  it might take you...lol 
 Monet1495:  lol 
 Monet1495:  lol 
 Monet1495:  lol 
 Steviet069:     i have to check monster.com for jobs & e-mail resumes 
 Steviet069:     lol, "monster.com" 
 Monet1495:  still looking for that perfect job huh? 
 Monet1495:  be a monk 
 Steviet069:     it would be kinda self defeating for the beast, i suppose 
tho 
 Monet1495:  and PLEASE take the vow of silence 
 Steviet069:     bahahaha 
 Steviet069:     i think you have it confused with a "mute" 
 Monet1495:  you dont want to freak out the other monks 
 Monet1495:  no 
 Monet1495:  monks take a vow of silence 
 Steviet069:     hyeah, instead i will tell em about this wonder drug paxil 
that my great friend stacey recommends 
 Monet1495:  look it up..its will help you 
 Steviet069:     um, i think you have them confused with the CIA 
 Monet1495:  no  
 Monet1495:  a monk 
 Steviet069:     monks dont have to take a vow of silence, its celibacy for 
monks 
 Steviet069:     its the CIA that has to take a vow of silence! 
 Steviet069:     cuz they're shadey like dat! 
 Monet1495:  god you need help 
 Steviet069:     lol, u called me God 
 Monet1495:  <A HREF="www.paxil.com">look </A> 
Monet1495:   nope you really need help 
 Monet1495:  from god 
 Steviet069:     lol, help away from God? is it a link to a paxil page? 
 Monet1495:  dur 
 Monet1495:  nothing gets by you there buba 
 Steviet069:     bahahaha....it is!! 
 Steviet069:     why am i not surprised! 
 Monet1495:  go to your doc and get some of this 
 Steviet069:     bahahah, you're giving me a prescription! 
 Monet1495:  i cant get that for you...DUR!!!! 
 Monet1495:  i dont need to know how to spell....thats why god made SPELL 
CHECK 
 Steviet069:     bahahahaha! 
 Monet1495:  paxil just might help you 
 Steviet069:     you goober, i don't need paxil!...i need a job! 
 Monet1495:  you need paxil to stay at a job 
 Monet1495:  DUR!!!! 
 Steviet069:     but seein as i'm asian in an overly oppressive city, it's 
not happening any time soon! 
 Monet1495:  get off it 
 Steviet069:     bahahahaha...you need paxil to stay at a job?! 
 Monet1495:  just move 
 Monet1495:  just move and stop your bitchn 
 Steviet069:     hyeah, that wuz what u white folk wanted all along, just 
like the native american indians!! 
 Steviet069:     rape em of their land & then forced them west by starting to 
shoot em! 
 Monet1495:  yes the white man was very wronge for that 
 Monet1495:  i agree 
 Steviet069:     not much has changed! 
 Monet1495:  it wasent the white mans land  
 Monet1495:  your just mad at your life 
 Monet1495:  get over it 
 Steviet069:     now, u just deprive minorities of jobs, force em into crime, 
incarcerate em & kill em...legal concentration camps 
 Monet1495:  everyone has to do somthing they dont like,,,,,but it has to be 
done 
 Steviet069:     thats why i need to buy paxil, right?! 
 Monet1495:  you need somthng 
 Monet1495:  i dont do shit 
 Steviet069:     how typically selfish and capitalistic of you! 
 Steviet069:     it's the white way! 
 Steviet069:     the white horse of conquering!...the first horse of the 
apocalypse! 
 Monet1495:  i have a job that i love...i moved into a wonderfull house last 
week with my furtue husband,,,and i lve my life 
 Monet1495:  live 
 Monet1495:  thats what i do 
 Steviet069:     because you are white w/ a corporate dad! 
 Monet1495:  nope 
 Steviet069:     um, YES!!! 
 Monet1495:  because i work hard for this 
 Monet1495:  i now work 12 hour days.....do i like it??...HELL NO but its my 
job and i do it 
 Steviet069:     slave to the beast! 
 Monet1495:  dude i need a job to live 
 Monet1495:  im not going to live in a getto and be poor 
 Steviet069:     no shit, so do i! 
 Monet1495:  i have a happy life 
 Steviet069:     that's why i can't go out! 
 Monet1495:  go out where? 
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> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Subject: [mw] return of the kitten

Hello all. After a brief sojourn, the kitten is back. Many of you might 
remember me under my other alias: houskitten; however, due to an 
overabundance of mail under that address I have made the monumental switch 
to replace the "hous" with "dnb"....I find it only fitting seeing as how it 
has been a good many years since I have taken a serious interest in house 
music and am now and old and jaded drum n' bass fan anyways. Furthermore, 
the new moniker is appropriate as a result of my recent move. The kitten no 
longer resides in the 'Nati and I am now a resident of the great city of 
Madison, WI.

Relating to my change of (real life as opposed to cyber) address, I am 
hoping someone out there can help me out. I've been in Madison now for 
roughly nine days and I have been bored out of my proverbial mind. This of 
course, is due to lack of knowing ANYONE. Any kids out there in the Madison 
area want to shed some light as to what one might do around here during the 
nighttime hours? I was hoping for a decent drum n' bass night, but seeing as 
how when I stopped in the record store this afternoon I was informed that 
drum n' bass only gets played out on the last Wednesday of every month, that 
possibility is looking far-fetched. I don't even care anymore, I can handle 
house (I'd prefer to skip the trance, but even that is better than staring 
at the walls of my apartment)...just someone please direct me to a place 
that is not a college meat market. Your help would be greatly appreciated. 
Are there any other jungle/drum n' bass fans in the area? Perhaps we could 
start a cult or something....

Furthermore, it is good to see some old friends are still here...iSyS I'm 
sorry I didn't get to see you more before I left the 'Nati. Is atomly still 
around here?

::meow:: babies....I'm out.

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> Steviet069:     um, u mean 'scarey'? 


um...you mean "scary"?



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tony wrote:

<<having skillz to make GHB would be like bragging that you're talented enough

to drive up to a Jiffy Lube to get an oil change. >>

whatever, GHB man...in the future, for your safety and the
safety of those around you, please learn to keep your
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frgus wrote:

<<um...you mean "scary"?>>

so you prefer it without the "e"?

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nah, i think i'd like to hear why you think i'm so shady.  i've stated
before that i think GHB is a shitty rave drug, but that doesn't mean its
off-topic or that it helps anyone to talk about it w/o knowing all the
facts.  and i hate to break it to you, but not all knowledge is kept in the
bible, or the bible code for that matter.

educate us all, wise one.

-t

ps - in the order of free speech,
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/GHB/ghb-instructions.html contains the
instructions that were commonly used to synthesize the compound.

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tony wrote:

<<having skillz to make GHB would be like bragging that you're talented
enough

to drive up to a Jiffy Lube to get an oil change. >>

whatever, GHB man...in the future, for your safety and the
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tony shade wrote:

<<and i hate to break it to you, but not all knowledge 
is kept in the bible, or the bible code for that matter.>>

gee, i wonder why the instructions on how to produce
GHB was left out of the bible?

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> Steviet069:     boo! 
> Monet1495:  you are scarry
> Steviet069:     um, u mean 'scarey'? 
> Monet1495:  scarry 
> Steviet069:     bahahaha 
> Steviet069:     it amazes me, how u can barely spell & u are one of the 
>highest paid people @ bank one, thanks to your dad 


it amazes me that you can barely spell and you are "the saviour"

oh, i think he meant "scary"

no spell check this time?



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>so you prefer it without the "e"?

we all know where the "e" is...no need to pull it out of your ass and make up new words.




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From mw-raves-return-6214-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Aug 26 16:37:33 2000
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- iySyS - wrote:

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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I will be there.

>From what it sounds it'll probably almost be a net party.



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Dynamic Groove wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:28:43 -0500, Brzykcy Robert wrote:
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> >### Really!?!? Wait a second. It hasn't been set into motion yet, so let's
> >not make any assumptions about the regs.
>
> It HAS already been set in motion.
>
> http://www.fcc.gov/mmb/prd/lpfm/

This is one of the most wonderful things to happen in this country in a long
time.  Hopefully if enough people get into it they can give the commercial
radio stations some competition at least in the city.

I actually turned on the radio a few days ago.  They are still playing the
same
crap they've been playing for years.  It's unbelievable.  The only reason
they can get away with filling the airwaves with such amazing amounts of
crap is because they have a government sponsored monopoly.

Any extra-terrestrials listening to signals from this planet must think Third
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" .pixie." wrote:

> > Steviet069:     boo!
> > Monet1495:  you are scarry
> > Steviet069:     um, u mean 'scarey'?
> > Monet1495:  scarry
> > Steviet069:     bahahaha
> > Steviet069:     it amazes me, how u can barely spell & u are one of the
> >highest paid people @ bank one, thanks to your dad
>
> it amazes me that you can barely spell and you are "the saviour"
>
> oh, i think he meant "scary"

What amazes me is that he claims to read the Bible all the time
yet he does so much that is the exact opposite of what it says.

For example, the Bible says not to be overly judgemental of others
yet all Stevie does on here is judge others (including people he has
never even met) and accuse others of being the source of his
problems.  He also constantly posts prideful, gloating, self-
aggrandizing nonsense.

I'm sure there's something in there too about constantly trying to
pick up 16 year olds on AOL too.. if it's not in there literally I'm
sure it's in the Bible code or something...

We shall know the end times, for there shall be many false prophets
on AOL.



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Subject: Re: [mw] slave to the beast

what amazes me is that even after being away for such a time I return only 
to find that people are *still* arguing with Steviet on this list....ah, I 
suppose some things will never change.

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Theelight316@aol.com 
>Subject: Re: RE: RE: [mw] ATTENTION RAVERS FROM MICHIGAN
>
>tony shade wrote:
>
><<and i hate to break it to you, but not all knowledge 
>is kept in the bible, or the bible code for that matter.>>
>
>gee, i wonder why the instructions on how to produce
>GHB was left out of the bible?

no, its in there.  i think you must have like the "clean" version or
something.  mine has the parental advisory sticker on it.  and that one
naughty eminem song.

now i really can't wait to lift the curse.

yrs in shadyness,
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does anyone have directions to Red? I dunno if Amanda has them or not and
stuff. =) Anyone care to forward them to me? Btw, what time is everyone
getting there?? I think we'll probably arrive around 9ish. I know that Ted
mentioned something to me the other day about going to get dinner
beforehand. Anyone interested in that prospect? Lorie, Lauryn, what can we
get for you??? I guess we could all figure it out later. It's no
biggie. =) Btw, I've gotta bring some work. Anyone wanna help me setup my
class rules? ;)

-Becky =)

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The infoline has the directions up now, just called a few minutes ago.  Let
me know about the dinner thing, I'm gonna head up early and get dinner up
there anyways, get the majority of the driving done in the daylight, so let
me know.  Oh, if anyone cares to say hi to me at the shindig, I'll be
sporting a grey t-shirt and I'll have on some odd colored converse, they're
kinda a pale flourescent green color.  Oh, I've got brown hair and
glasses...

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>does anyone have directions to Red? I dunno if Amanda has them or not and
>stuff. =) Anyone care to forward them to me? Btw, what time is everyone
>getting there?? I think we'll probably arrive around 9ish. I know that Ted
>mentioned something to me the other day about going to get dinner
>beforehand. Anyone interested in that prospect? Lorie, Lauryn, what can we
>get for you??? I guess we could all figure it out later. It's no
>biggie. =) Btw, I've gotta bring some work. Anyone wanna help me setup my
>class rules? ;)
>
>-Becky =)
>
>http://www.muc.muohio.edu/~wangenra
>becky@konfused.net
>
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api@relaymail.net writes:

<< For example, the Bible says not to be overly judgemental of others
 yet all Stevie does on here is judge others (including people he has
 never even met) and accuse others of being the source of his
 problems.  He also constantly posts prideful, gloating, self-
 aggrandizing nonsense.>>

the entire book of revelations is about the final judgement of mankind.
...the truth is everyone constantly judge other people all the time...
however without all the relevant information...a partial judgement isn't
always reached...even the judges of today will tell you about how the
judicial system has many fallacies...obviously the richer you are, the
better lawyer you can higher and unfortunately the poorer you are, the
poorer lawyer you will be stuck with...there are often discrepencies 
with the jury and deals that are accepted that tend to sway the final
judgement...circumstantial evidence that may have been tampered, 
false witnesses, and outright lies also tend to add to the impartiality 
of the current judicial system...

your further blasphemy does not fly far due to your notorious reputation
for over exageration and outright lies.
 
<< We shall know the end times, for there shall be many false prophets
 on AOL. >>

did it ever occur to you that the prophets spoke truth, however due to
the work of a few chosen divine individuals, fate has been altered.

a perfect example was the prediction of an assasination of the pope.
there was an assasination attempt...however, the word had reached
the pope in time...and he was expecting it...the pope openly admits
that he thought he was going to die that day when the bullet hit him
...obviously, the pope recovered from his wound and the pope thanks
his lucky stars that he was miraculously spared of his life...and just
recently he met with the man who attempted to take his life and he 
forgave him...

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Theelight316@aol.com wrote:

> << For example, the Bible says not to be overly judgemental of others
>  yet all Stevie does on here is judge others (including people he has
>  never even met) and accuse others of being the source of his
>  problems.  He also constantly posts prideful, gloating, self-
>  aggrandizing nonsense.>>
>
> the entire book of revelations is about the final judgement of mankind.

Not by human beings, but by beings supposedly far more intelligent
and insightful.

> ...the truth is everyone constantly judge other people all the time...

Yeah, which is why people are constantly killing and hurting one
another.  People tend to accuse others of things they themselves are
guilty of in order to transfer blame, and they inflict pain upon others in
order to project their own self-hatred outwards.

Of course, if someone *does* something then their action can be
judged and they can be punished for it (e.g. killing someone).  But
that's different than pointing to someone and calling them evil because
you don't like the way they think, dress, or their racial lineage.

> however without all the relevant information...a partial judgement isn't
> always reached...even the judges of today will tell you about how the
> judicial system has many fallacies...obviously the richer you are, the
> better lawyer you can higher and unfortunately the poorer you are, the
> poorer lawyer you will be stuck with...there are often discrepencies
> with the jury and deals that are accepted that tend to sway the final
> judgement...circumstantial evidence that may have been tampered,
> false witnesses, and outright lies also tend to add to the impartiality
> of the current judicial system...
>
> your further blasphemy does not fly far due to your notorious reputation
> for over exageration and outright lies.

Umm... I'm not the one who claims to be the creator of the entire midwest
rave scene or whatever you constantly post to this list.

I don't claim to be anything, because I don't need to.

Actually.. for those who are interested.. there is interesting scientific
basis behind the old religious doctrine of a human being's inability to
truely judge another human being.  There is a principle in neural network
design that states that a neural network of given complexity can never
understand itself completely, because the instant it did so it would cease
to be able to exercise free-will and therefore to make decisions.  It
arises
from a rather simple principle: there is no way that any system having a
certain complexity can model itself within itself with a 100% degree of
accuracy.  So human beings cannot understand themselves fully and
so cannot judge themselves or each other ultimately.

It's sorta like how you can't see yourself in any mirror from all angles
simultaneously because you have to have a vantage point to see
anything and that restricts your field of vision.



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bass kitten wrote:

> what amazes me is that even after being away for such a time I return only
> to find that people are *still* arguing with Steviet on this list....ah, I
> suppose some things will never change.

Well, for people to not talk to him they have to have endless discussions
about not talking to him and telling the people who do to stop.. so it's
turned out to be better to just humor him and hope he'll learn something
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>...so it's
>turned out to be better to just humor him and hope he'll learn something
>and be less annoying.

like a naughty puppy

bad, stevie t, bad!  

/me rubs his nose in the bible.

is it oct 13th yet?

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I'll be wearing a red tanktop (or my fucktrance shirt) and black
jeans. I'll look normal. most of you know who I am anyhow. I'll be the one
in the corner working on her lesson plans... ;)

-Becky =)

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><<um...you mean "scary"?>>
>
>so you prefer it without the "e"?


Yep.  Merriam-Webster does too.


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api@relaymail.net writes:

<< Not by human beings, but by beings supposedly far more intelligent
 and insightful.>>

apparently, you must've missed my "second coming" post that gives
a far more accurate biblical description...your ignorant claim that
the second coming shall be super intelligent aliens is the common 
babble of crack and acid heads...here perhaps a second post may 
bring you out of your drug induced state a bit...

 from http://www.sevenseals.com/elijah.html
 
 The Man-child (Sun of Righteousness) is seen in Rev.7:2, ascending 
 (rising) from the east (he is typified as the sun, since the sun also rises
 from the east), showing that he is the Sun of Righteousness (Is.46:11). 
 The Man-child is also described as the Bright and Morning Star in Rev.22:16  
(Sun of Righteousness). The Man-child is the righteous 
 man from the east (sunrise), see Is.41:2,25. The Sun of Righteousness 
 is the latter day Lamb (Elijah messenger) who was killed by the 
Babylonian Beast with some of his Bride.

 
 Ezekiel 25:17
 
 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the
 inequities of the selfish and evil men...blessed is he who in
 the name of charity and goodwill shepherds the weak 
 through the valley of darkness for he is truly his brothers
 keeper and a finder of lost children...and i will strike upon
 thee with great vengence and furious anger those who
 attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and he will 
 know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengence upon 
 thee...
 
 from the Third Secret of Fatima...
 
 "the Lord our God is One"
 
 from Revelations 3
 
 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple
 of my God, and he shall go no more out; and I will write 
 upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city
 of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down
 out of heaven from my God; and I will write upon him my
 new name
 
 
 from Revelations 13
 
 (with the knowledge that with the theory of relativity, evil men
 will view the Lord as the beast, and he was the one who was
 killed by the sword, but did live)
 
 11 and I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and
 he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragom
 
 12 and he exerciseth all power of the first beast before him, 
 and causeth the earth and them which dwell therin to worship
 the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed
 
 13 and he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come
 down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men
 
 
 Similarities with the first coming...
 
 Psalm 78: 2 - a teacher of parables
 Psalm 41:9 - betrayed by a friend
 Isaiah 53:7 - silent before his accusers
 Isaiah 53:5 - wounded and bruised
 Isaiah 53:12 - crucified with thieves
 Psalm 22:18 - garments parted/lots cast
 Psalm 69:21 - offered gall and vinegar
 

<>

um, you can not claim to be anything, because you are nothing!

in fact, you are less than nothing, because not only have you lost
your soul, but your excess of drug consumption has effected your
memory and sense of reality...what follows is a perfect example of
the psycho babble of a frequent user of illicet substances...
 
 <<Actually.. for those who are interested.. there is interesting scientific
 basis behind the old religious doctrine of a human being's inability to
 truely judge another human being.  There is a principle in neural network
 design that states that a neural network of given complexity can never
 understand itself completely, because the instant it did so it would cease
 to be able to exercise free-will and therefore to make decisions.  It
 arises
 from a rather simple principle: there is no way that any system having a
 certain complexity can model itself within itself with a 100% degree of
 accuracy.  So human beings cannot understand themselves fully and
 so cannot judge themselves or each other ultimately.>>

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fergcore@earthlink.net writes:

<< >so you prefer it without the "e"?
 
 
 Yep.  Merriam-Webster does too.
 
 
 fergus >>

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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< me rubs his nose in the bible.
 
 is it oct 13th yet?
 
 -t >>

i'm surprised you don't snort the bible for the fumes of it's
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Subject: [mw] low power fm radio

yes, the low power fm permits are a real hassle.  The permits are awared in 
a competition-style format.  Each applicant gets points for promising to 
provide community-oriented programming, for having a presence in the 
community it claims to serve for at least 2 years, and for promising to 
broadcast at least I think 60 hours a week.  Also, your transmitter MUST be 
in the community that you plan to serve.

Furthermore, you HAVE to have emergency broacast system decoder equipment.  
As for the guy in Columbus who was a pirate, to get a permit, you HAVE to be 
free of pirate radio offenses, after Jan98 I think, which is when the FCC 
announced that it would start granting low power fm licenses.  If you were a 
pirate, you had to have quit broadcasting illegally after that date.

So the best strategy to get a permit is to get a collection of groups to all 
go together and share the airtime, because you can get a permit much easier 
that way.  A guy I know is getting ready to set a up a station in Cincinnati 
if he can get his permit.  You can check out his site: www.freqwave.cjb.net
He's looking for other groups of people who want to form a coalition if 
anyone is interested in that.

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If anyone is in the Milwaukee area (and over 21) head on down to 2526
North Fredrick on the east side.  I might be playing a couple of tunes :)

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>ok, frgus, princss of the ptty...

You missed one you dumb shit.


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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Theelight316@aol.com 
>Subject: Re: [mw] slave to the beast
>
>i'm surprised you don't snort the bible for the fumes of it's
>print, ghb man...

hmmm, i've been reduced to being "ghb man"... wait, let me correct that,
i've been reduced to stevie t calling me "ghb man".  that's much easier to
handle :p

and personally, i try to stay far away from bibles if i can (fumes or no
fumes).  and the people that thump them, thumpy.

sincererly yours,
thats mr. ghb man to you muthafucka!

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whats every1 doing now that phat phest is shutdown? there has to be something 
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when ever your stoned and have the munchies....

its skyline time

everyone sing it!

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fergcore@earthlink.net writes:

<< >ok, frgus, princss of the ptty...
 
 You missed one you dumb shit.  >>

uh oh, check dis out frgus...

and theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lord said, let there beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!..

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>uh oh, check dis out frgus...
>
>and theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lord said, let there beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!..


Oh.  Ow.  Damn.  That hurt.

someone get me a band-aid please.

I'm wounded.

It's stigmata!

Bless you StevieT!



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Anyone know a reason behind why this party got shut down. I'm sure the 5000 presale purchasers would like to know. Especially since this was supposed to be an unshutdownable party since it was a gathering of members of the Church of P.L.U.R. (with its Tax ID number and all).

inquiring minds want to know
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>what amazes me is that even after being away for such a time I return only 
>to find that people are *still* arguing with Steviet on this list....ah, I 
>suppose some things will never change.

what amazes me is that you give a rat's ass.

relax 

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>From what I gather the party got shut down around 6 AM
on Saturday morning due to noise complaints. There's
only one reasonable explanation to this:

The promoter is a shady ass motherfucker and busted
his own party because half of the "talent" he had
booked maybe wasn't actually booked at all. Which
would explain why the party got shut down for noise at
6 AM and not at 10 PM when the music began.
That also explains several things:
- no updates on the voicemail (the mailbox was full
throughout the day)
- no phone calls/emails to dj's about cancelling the
party
- throwing a party in a conservative area of kentucky
where obviously nobody will put up with the noise.

Now...I was really trying hard to give the guy a
chance considering that he seemed to have the right
mindset and sounded like he had his shit together;
however we all make mistakes judging people. 
I don't really bitch much about promoters cancelling
parties, having parties shut down, booking dj's and
not paying deposits, etc. But this time I'd just like
to take a few moments and vent. The past couple years
I have seen this scene gone to complete and utter
shit. Everything in the scene has become a status
issue. You aren't shit unless you are a promoter, dj
or dj ho. Tons of new promotion companies are popping
up left and right with god knows whose money, doing a
piss poor job at promoting events, attracting horrible
crowds and on top of everything, giving the scene an
even worse name than what it already has.
This summer will be remembered by a complete chaos as
far as outdoor parties went. We saw the likes of
Kandeeland, Arcanum Festival and now Phatphest
completely destroying what's left of the idea of a
weekend music gathering. 
I hope one of these days people who don't know what
the FUCK they are doing will just move the hell out of
the way and let decent promoters do their job. 

I am done
Misha



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Subject: [mw] phatphest-know your promoter

>Anyone know a reason behind why this party got shut down. I'm sure the 
> >5000 presale purchasers would like to know. Especially since this was 
> >supposed to be an unshutdownable party since it was a gathering of 
> >members of the Church of P.L.U.R. (with its Tax ID number and 
> >all).inquiring minds want to knowshawne

Hey Shawne.

1st.  There is NO party (except maybe the Love Parade) that can't be shut 
down.  I don't care who does it, its always possible.

We (The Unstoppable Juggernaut-Live PA) were supposed to play on Sat at this 
event, however, this morning we found the sound crews packing up and 
leaving.
What follows is what we learned from Tim Fowler and others, and is not 
necessarily fact:  The second stage was set up on a hill, facing towards 
another hill, which apparently was inhabited by some kind of 
trailer-dwelling hermit creatures native to Falmouth, who decided that local 
law enforcement had to be called.  The cops told them to turn down the 
stage, which they did, but promptly turned back up again.  So then the cops 
came again, and decided that this event was over, and that everyone had to 
be gone by 12pm Sat, otherwise they were coming in and making arrests.

Here are several of "shades" of "shadiness" surrounding this event:     
-When we got to the gate, we only got 1 dj pass for our crew of 3, cause 
they ran out off passes.
-We were promply asked if we had a pair of Technics that we could get, since 
they did not have ANY tables at 7:30pm.
-A guy came surrying down to the VIP section on a dirtbike trying to find 
someone who could pick up Trancelott at the airport.  His flight was due in 
something like 20min.
-Sound on both stages had numerous problems
-Performers without contracts did not get paid
-Needless to say, DJ Rap was supposed to come on Sat night, which I doubt 
happened, although she is probably several K richer.
-Supposedly they paid $30,000 for the sound system rental (yes, 30K).

Yes, I understand that these things happen.  But promoters take the 
responsiblity for EVERYONE who attends their party, and for all performers.  
If a promoter can't handle the size of that responsibility, they should not 
undertake an event of such an ambitious scale.

This is just what I know regarding the events that took place.  Needless to 
say, please check who is promoting the event, and know and support promoters 
who throw good parties.  I am very dissapointed in this event, considering 
that the venue really was pretty nice.  Furthermore, the way our crew was 
treated by the staff at the event shows dissrespect towards us, and the 
effort we put forth.  Until you have moved 400lbs of gear several times, and 
disassembled your entire studio, you cannot realize the amount of work that 
live pa's do put forth to bring LIVE music to the masses.

best to all
-Jesse Farmer
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Subject: [mw] fuck shitty promoters

While we're on this subject...I think that maybe a
good idea would be to create a website to consolidate
data on all promoters in the region, which would
include reviewes by party kids, ratings by dj's and
booking agents who have worked with the promoters
before. That way, people going to a party thrown by a
specific promoter will have information about them
beforehand, and dj's/booking agents will know more
about each promoter before they work with them.
If there is something like that out there or if
someone would like to handle the html part (i am very
stupid in that dept), I would like to organize this.
Any ideas?

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> This summer will be remembered by a complete chaos as
> far as outdoor parties went. We saw the likes of
> Kandeeland, Arcanum Festival and now Phatphest
> completely destroying what's left of the idea of a
> weekend music gathering. 

    Prepare for Even Furthur. That is all.

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if your in ny this is worth checking out-

gruve

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Moshi Moshi -

Just a reminder:
We're now every Sunday upstairs in the cozy Novecento Nest.
Our Free deep house weekend-extension has a new schedule
of guest DJ's to help take the edge off (or put it back on, which
ever you need).  Thanks to those who came out last week and
kept us going past 4am - yee-haa!  

As always, resident DJ's:
 - David Hollands / Minimal Wage
                            &
 - Alexey Ageyev / Losers With Attitude

We're on by 10:30pm and usually cruise to 3am-ish, as always free.
This week, we have 2 guys who have carved out their own sonic niche
here in this fantastic city of ours.  Alexi Delano, imported from Sweden via 
London and Chile, has consistently ground his funky deepness out for such 
labels at Svek, Seasons and now his own Corner Shots Ltd.  John Selway, now 
with Ultra Records and his own Serotonin and CSM has recorded countless 
innovative releases and remixes for labels here and abroad.  Tonight were 
happy to surrender the decks to these two.

Future Guests:

Sept.   3rd     Special Labor Day Party w/ International Guest DJ's
                    Incl: Tini Tun (Mexico City) + The Scumfrog
                    (Istanbul)
        10th    Neil Aline (Chez Music)

Free of charge and attitude every Sunday at Cafe' Novecento
       343 West Broadway, Soho, NYC   212-925-4706


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Subject: [mw] what an odd summer

Visionz
Midwest Jazz Excursion
WHAT
Playground
Arcanum
Phatphest

I'm just updating the scorecard for you who are paying attention.

Looking at what went down with these campouts... makes it hard to beleive 
that we actually considered the drama surrounding Rave'm and Bail 'em Out 3 
and Real Family vs. Family Affair to be detrimental to the scene.

This year seemed to be filled with starry eyed ravers.  Hell, at the 
beginning of the summer they had even convinced me I was no longer jaded.  
This was not to last.

As the summer began and the insta-promoters came to full glory we sat and 
watched as campout after campout came along and burst into flames in front 
of us.  The amount of money supposedly being lost at each of these parties 
is typically on par with the national deficit.  Every week we watch the 
lists as DJs post horror stories of being stuck in po-dunk hick towns and 
ending their posts with the all-popular "NEVER WORK WITH THESE FUCKERS".

In my own city of Omaha, I watched as Grey Multi-Media came into town and 
proceeded to stomp on everything that we had worked for 8 years to create.  
Thanks to them, Omaha has been forced into the gutters yet again.  With 5 or 
6 stories in our metropolitain newspaper and numerous mentions on the local 
news, the city of Omaha has clamped down against all things rave.  In the 
triumphant final move of the destruction of Omaha, the campout that was 
attempted here, Playground, was highlighted by attendence of maybe 300-400 
and the police busting somebody with 2 kilos of meth in the trunk of their 
car!  woohoo!!!!

so where does that leave us....

well...

read this months Spin... I know... it's hard to do... but do it... inside 
you will find photos of DEMF.

I was unable to attend DEMF.

The photos in Spin made me tingle.

Memorial Day weekend... the official kick-off of rave summer... and here we 
see a celebration of our music in culture in all of it's glory... in 
Detroit?!?!?!?!

how cool is that?  the one town thats gets their shit together and produces 
what could be argued as the greatest electronic music event in the history 
of North America is Detroit.

So now I sit here in my kitchen shaking my head about the latest campout 
fiasco and one thought keeps me smiling.  In 5 days... I will be going to 
Wisconsin.

I don't really buy into fate.... but with everything lining up the way it 
did to put DEMF at the begining of the summer and Furthur at the end... 
well... something good is happening here.

This will be Furthur number four for me.  What is bringing me back?  Oh... 
the line-up is nice.  The Drop Bass mystique is always good.  The return of 
the beer garden is a plus.  The chance to see friends that I haven't seen in 
4 or 5 months... getting closer now.

I will go furthur.

I think I'm getting starry eyed again.

peace and love...

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On Sunday, August 27, 2000 at 06:40:23 AM EDT, The Unstoppable Juggernaut wrote:

Hey Shawne. 

1st. There is NO party (except maybe the Love Parade) that can't be shut 
down. I don't care who does it, its always possible. 


well Sarcasm is my middle name. I of all people know this to be the truth. I just had a long discussion the other day with someone about the fact no party is unshutdownable.

As far as one person calling in a noise complaint and getting a party in the middle of the country shut down...hmmmm...I smell something. Normally if you're even just having a regular old house party it takes several complaints for the police to come out. Now I'm not saying that its not possible in the incident, especially since we all know that cops look for reasons to shut down "Raves" or even gatherings of worshipers of the CHURCH OF P.L.U.R. 

As far as knowing your promoters, you people who actually bought presales or went to the gate and bought tickets can't tell me that this happening didn't enter your mind as the final outcome. Look at it: First time promoter throwing a 3 day party with a supposed budget of $100,000. Of course everything is going to get fukked up, besides the fact that it sounds shady. First of all, what sane person would invest in something with that kind of money with a person who has never put on this kind of event before. The fact that DJ Rap was booked too seemed kind of odd too since a lot of people have told me that she won't play for a first time promoter (kinda like P.M. Only type rules), DJ Funk on the other hand will play for anyone with cash in hand.

I don't know, the whole thing seemed shady from the start, the budget, the 5000 presales (even tho that many presales weren't even printed), DJ Rap, and the fact that several DJs couldn't ever get ahold of the promoter. Guess they were supposed to play on Saturday.

glad he saved his money
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Misha,

We could almost do something like EBay does to give you an idea of the bidding/selling past of someone that you are doing business with. They have a Positive Response, Neutral, and Negative. I guess what we could do is do a calendar for several months in advance, then after the party have people who attended it send in their impressions of the party as far as DJ's, sound, lights, location, price, security. We can leave out some of these candy-asses who talk about how the drug situation was shady I do believe. Then we just archive it and the next time that promoter/promotion group gets another date we just attatch a rating based on positive minus negative responses and link the party listing to the archive of responses to their last party.

shawne



On Sunday, August 27, 2000 at 12:45:36 AM EDT, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> While we're on this subject...I think that maybe a
> good idea would be to create a website to consolidate
> data on all promoters in the region, which would
> include reviewes by party kids, ratings by dj's and
> booking agents who have worked with the promoters
> before. That way, people going to a party thrown by a
> specific promoter will have information about them
> beforehand, and dj's/booking agents will know more
> about each promoter before they work with them.
> If there is something like that out there or if
> someone would like to handle the html part (i am very
> stupid in that dept), I would like to organize this.
> Any ideas?
> 
> Misha
> 
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||> This summer will be remembered by a complete chaos as
||> far as outdoor parties went. We saw the likes of
||> Kandeeland, Arcanum Festival and now Phatphest
||> completely destroying what's left of the idea of a
||> weekend music gathering. 


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i know these two girls from Indiana that threw a party last night. It was pretty cool, too. 
I got there during Derek Plaslaiko's set. He played Duran Duran's "Planet Earth". Mumtaz played
next. I'd never heard him before. He played uptempo techno that was very melodic, to the point of
being (dare I say it?) almost trancey.. Oliver Ho came on and played a little harder, more noisy
crescendos.. We had to leave about halway through his set to get someone to work. I was pretty
tired by then, but I'm sorry I didn't get to talk to everyone. It was good to see you all.. Adam,
Amanda, Becky, Chad, Derek, Doris, Grant, Greg, Jaimmie, James, Jen, Jes, Lauryn, Lorie (thanks u
2, glad u found a space), Matt, Rob, Sean.. anyone i forgot, sorry, i'm still not completely awake
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I just updated my website again and I added pictures
of my kids.  Check my two cuties out.  :)

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I'll handle the HTML part if someone wants to give me a bit of guidance on 
how you want it done.  

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Theelight316@aol.com wrote:

> api@relaymail.net writes:
>
> << Not by human beings, but by beings supposedly far more intelligent
>  and insightful.>>
>
> apparently, you must've missed my "second coming" post that gives
> a far more accurate biblical description...your ignorant claim that
> the second coming shall be super intelligent aliens is the common
> babble of crack and acid heads...here perhaps a second post may
> bring you out of your drug induced state a bit...

I didn't say extra-terrestrials, but as usual you misread everything.

Doesn't the Bible talk about angels, God, etc.?  And isn't the
second coming supposed to be the return of someone who is the
son of God?  If such beings really do exist then they aren't "people"
in the usual sense of the word.  Some of that cast wouldn't even
have "bodies" as we know them.

> in fact, you are less than nothing, because not only have you lost
> your soul, but your excess of drug consumption has effected your
> memory and sense of reality...what follows is a perfect example of
> the psycho babble of a frequent user of illicet substances...

It's not my fault you can't understand it, but that wasn't drug induced
babble.  I don't use drugs.

Nor am I a drug dealer, a freemason, or a military agent.

But I do have a job..  I guess crackheads can get employment a lot
easier in high-skill level computer positions... you know.. where you
have to actually think a lot.  I always smoke a few rocks and do a hit
or two of E before I design a new networking protocol.



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The Unstoppable Juggernaut wrote:

> yes, the low power fm permits are a real hassle.  The permits are awared in
> a competition-style format.  Each applicant gets points for promising to
> provide community-oriented programming, for having a presence in the
> community it claims to serve for at least 2 years, and for promising to
> broadcast at least I think 60 hours a week.  Also, your transmitter MUST be
> in the community that you plan to serve.
>
> Furthermore, you HAVE to have emergency broacast system decoder equipment.
> As for the guy in Columbus who was a pirate, to get a permit, you HAVE to be
> free of pirate radio offenses, after Jan98 I think, which is when the FCC
> announced that it would start granting low power fm licenses.  If you were a
> pirate, you had to have quit broadcasting illegally after that date.

Wow.. the pretty much rules out most of the underground people.  Sounds
like they want all the pirate stations to belong to civic groups or something.

I'd be all for reserving a small portion of the FM spectrum for a sort of free
for all.. like an all pirate radio band at some place on the dial.  Of course
they'd occasionally interfere with each other, but for the most part they'd
probably work things out and there aren't usually all that many people who
want to do that in a given five-mile-square area.  It could be a pretty small
portion of the dial-- like room for four stations or so.

That'd also be cool because you'd always know where to look for underground
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>
>I always smoke a few rocks and do a hit
>or two of E before I design a new networking protocol.

whew, that's good to know, i thought i was catching trails off of that
protocol for no reason at all.

doing hits of E?  aren't you supposed to dip your pacifier in it?

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> > While we're on this subject...I think that maybe a
> > good idea would be to create a website to consolidate
> > data on all promoters in the region, which would
> > include reviewes by party kids, ratings by dj's and
> > booking agents who have worked with the promoters
> > before. That way, people going to a party thrown by a
> > specific promoter will have information about them
> > beforehand, and dj's/booking agents will know more
> > about each promoter before they work with them.
> > If there is something like that out there or if
> > someone would like to handle the html part (i am very
> > stupid in that dept), I would like to organize this.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Misha

The problem is people tend to talk shit about promoters.. all
promoters.  You'd get shit like "d00d!$! d1s w4Ck aZZ
pr0MoT3R k0NF1sKat3D aLL mY K!$!#!"



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Ted Weinberg wrote:

> i know these two girls from Indiana that threw a party last night. It was pretty cool, too.
> I got there during Derek Plaslaiko's set. He played Duran Duran's "Planet Earth". Mumtaz played
> next. I'd never heard him before. He played uptempo techno that was very melodic, to the point of
> being (dare I say it?) almost trancey.. Oliver Ho came on and played a little harder, more noisy
> crescendos.. We had to leave about halway through his set to get someone to work. I was pretty
> tired by then, but I'm sorry I didn't get to talk to everyone. It was good to see you all.. Adam,
> Amanda, Becky, Chad, Derek, Doris, Grant, Greg, Jaimmie, James, Jen, Jes, Lauryn, Lorie (thanks u
> 2, glad u found a space), Matt, Rob, Sean.. anyone i forgot, sorry, i'm still not completely awake
> here..

I didn't even get to see most of the list people there for some reason.
Too crowded probably.

Dope ass techno tho.

I also liked the "old abandoned building" vibe.  Way too many parties
these days in fuqn roller rinks and other cheezy venues.  Bring on the
asbestos!!!

(Of course, I don't think it was abandoned, but it still had that "feel" to
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I'm starting a shitty trend which hopefully will not continue...  For the
second time, I got sick at a party. Goddammit. =( I did have fun
though... And I got to see everyone, except I'm mad at Chad for not
introducing me to JAIMME when she came in... Next time I AM charging you
your special list amin admission price. ;P Frank, had a lovely time, and I
have decided to incorporate your number one class rule into mine. ;) Atom,
wish we coulda talked more. Derek, I promise, next time I won't forget to
bring you a bottle of Kentucky Gentleman. Amanda, I'm so sorry, and thank
you SO much for keeping me awake on the ride home! Lorie and Lauryn,
thanks a bunch and I love you two!!! 

Off I go into the world of 7th graders! Wish me luck! See you in January!

-Becky =)

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api@relaymail.net writes:

<<  And isn't the
 second coming supposed to be the return of someone who is the
 son of God?  If such beings really do exist then they aren't "people"
 in the usual sense of the word.  Some of that cast wouldn't even
 have "bodies" as we know them.>>

no, didn't you read that whole second coming repost with the biblical
references?...the second coming is supposed to be in the spirit...he
chooses a poor man...but everyone feels his pain...everyone with a 
soul atleast...and if you do not recognize it, the Lord is supposed to 
snatch your soul like a thief in the night...
 
 > in fact, you are less than nothing, because not only have you lost
 > your soul, but your excess of drug consumption has effected your
 > memory and sense of reality...what follows is a perfect example of
 > the psycho babble of a frequent user of illicet substances...
 
<>>

ugh, another soul-less crack head slave to the beast!

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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< whew, that's good to know, i thought i was catching trails off of that
 protocol for no reason at all.
 
 doing hits of E?  aren't you supposed to dip your pacifier in it? >>

quit mentioning E so much or frgus will come kick you in the nuts!

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Subject: [mw] Boot to your gash, was Re: [mw] slave to the beast

On 08/27/2000 1.51 PM Theelight316@aol.com put out the following propaganda:

> quit mentioning E so much or frgus will come kick you in the nuts!


we all would love to kick you in the nuts my little Christian Zombie
Vampire!!!

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Everybody is an enemy...fuck it I hate everybody.
I'm not a part of any scene, I do my own thing.
My mind is the machine gun, my body is the bullets,
and my audience is the target!!!

It takes 62 muscles to frown at a person...
but it takes only six to turn around and bitch slap the fucker!!!

I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists and
scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which your
children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
I AM CHAOS !  I am alive and tell you that you are free.

Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani
The Mighty FreeBass Collective & Conspiracy unINC.
'the Invasion' presents: "Crop Circles" 09/09/00 D.M., IA
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At 02:31 PM 8/27/00 -0400, you wrote:
> > > While we're on this subject...I think that maybe a
> > > good idea would be to create a website to consolidate
> > > data on all promoters in the region, which would
> > > include reviewes by party kids, ratings by dj's and
> > > booking agents who have worked with the promoters
> > > before. That way, people going to a party thrown by a
> > > specific promoter will have information about them
> > > beforehand, and dj's/booking agents will know more
> > > about each promoter before they work with them.
> > > If there is something like that out there or if
> > > someone would like to handle the html part (i am very
> > > stupid in that dept), I would like to organize this.
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Misha
>
>The problem is people tend to talk shit about promoters.. all
>promoters.  You'd get shit like "d00d!$! d1s w4Ck aZZ
>pr0MoT3R k0NF1sKat3D aLL mY K!$!#!"

Well, it's all relative, so good established promoters would
have far less shit talked about them than the ones who
legitimately screw over thousands of ravers.  I think it's a
really great idea.  Promoters should be accountable for
their actions.  Only the fittest should survive.

But a lot of good promoters have bad luck and get shut
down undeservedly.  That's okay; it happens to the best
of them.  We need to look at longer term trends--do these
people have a history of fucking up?  If it's their first party,
are we entering at our own risk?  Is it their fault they got
shut down, or is it circumstantial?  Etc.  A "track record"
site could explore all these issues.

The problems with the idea: (1) It would take too much
effort to implement and maintain.  (2) The bulk of the
raving population wouldn't know or care about it.
All the hip raver kids see "DJ Rap" on a pretty
flyer and that's all it takes: they're there.  They probably
don't even think twice (or once) about the promotion.  It's
the newbie factor: as long as there's thousands of newbies
looking for a phat huge-ass rave every weekend, lame
promoters can afford to throw half-assed events.
There's a market for that kind of thing.  And educating the
masses in this case seems pretty futile.  I guess, track
record or not, experienced ravers will come to know which
promoters and cities to trust and which to avoid.  So
natural selection is doing some work.  Just not enough.

Here's what I just noticed:  Parties that book the kind of
music I'm interested in tend to go off without any trouble.
It's the raves with the superstar RAVE headliners that seem
to have the most problems.  Every single rave I've been to
this year has been really good.  And I don't follow certain
promoters or cities; I just go where the music I'm into is.
Psychedelic trance, IDM, some techno, and local hardcore.
Typically events that primarily showcase those kinds of
music don't run into much trouble.  Or maybe it's just me.
And I'm spoiled because I live in Wisconsin.

U rah rah.

Kevin M. Ryan
kevinryan@students.wisc.edu
http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~kevinryan/

What did you know?  What did you care?  -Crass




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Patrik Skoog (Headroom) -- Sweden
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blitz666@uswest.net writes:

<< we all would love to lick you in the nuts my little Christian Zombie
 Vampire!!! >>

so you think you're Kooler than Jesus?

...prepare for thy holy smack down...

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Subject: [mw] about wackphest - idiot promoters

WARNING: This long winded, and I am venting a good amount of frustration, so 
just stop now if you cold care less.

If not then...

The best way to know your promoter is to know your scene and remeber the 
parties you attend.

Period.

Call people, ask questions, make contact.

The website thing is unrealistic, because not everyone is on the net as much 
as we are. And you can't make decisions based stictly on others opinions.

People should make eduacated decisions for themselves and not realy on 
sources such as websites or zines.

I knew this party was going to be a bunch of bullshit after looking at the 
flyer and knowing that these people have never thrown an event of any kind 
ever before.

It was obvious for many reasons.

What I did not know is: can they pull it off?

We'll now we know.

When they booked me and members of my crew for this event, we had contracts 
and deposits, on time from Tim Fowler. Everything seemed fine until the 
flyer came out.

Fast forward to Friday night at the gate, we knew it was bad.

So we drive down to the main stage and there is no table to set the 
turntables on. Tim Fowler is about to piss his pants because he doesn't have 
a fucking clue, and the sound guys are being a dick to him because they knew 
he was screwing up.

So Adam and I take control and hook up with the sound guys so things  can 
get started. They were real cool to us because they we knew what to do.

We set the tables set up, did a quick sound check, and Adam is off on an 
hour set, follwed by me, and then Perry Ellis. When adam fuirst started, I 
looked around and there is no sound man anywhere. So I am fixing all the 
levels on the sound board, walking out in front making sure it is sounded 
right, coming back, making adjustments on this 80,00 watt, $100,000? sound 
sytem, and then I am wondering why in the hell am I doing this.

I wish every one put as much effort into this. We would have such a strong 
scene. Wouldn't that be just peachy.

Anyway,

Shawn Rudiman was supposed to perform live after Perry.

So this punk kid from Pittsburg, PRODUCT 19, starts threatening Perry 
because Tim fucked up and told him to play at the wrong time. He thought 
Perry was talking down to him. I almost get into a fight with jerk because 
he's being completely unproffesional, acting like an ass, and pghysically 
threatening a very close freind of mine. So then Tim comes back and tells 
Product 19 that he made a mistake and so Shawn Rudiman gets bumped an hour 
later so this kid can play records in Shawns timeslot.

Shawn Rudiman has releases on DBX's 7th City imprint, Hypervinyl, as well as 
release and remixes on Misjah's X -Trax label in Holland.

Not to mention, he has one of the best live techno p.a.'s that I have ever 
witnessed.

Tim fowler is an idoit.

So in the meantime, I get all of our money from Tim because I knew that was 
the thing to do a.s.a.p. and continue to try and keep things cool on the 
main stage until all of my guys had played and then we we're going to leave. 
We got all the money we were suppsoed to and I am feel real lucky because I 
know many did not.

All the while, this other idiot named "Titus" is on the mic and screaming 
into the crowd trying to get people hyped up even when the cops are there. 
Not real smart. When asked to stop, because it was really out of hand, he 
freaked out, got extremely violent and tried to attack me, and other people 
on the stage.

There was no sound guy to keep him off the mic, no securtiy looking out for 
the safety of people, and no promoter to handle the situation.

I got beer thrown on me, I got threatened abut 20 times, and got interupted 
in the middle of my set because these fucking people didn't have there shit 
together in any way, shape or form... whatesoever.

And we showed up and actualy helped and got the music going becuase nobody 
else knew what the fuck to do.

So anyway,

We left, the promoter ran off, the police shut it down at about 4 or 5 am.

and that's about it.

don't go to wack parties thrown by wack fucking promoters who don't know 
shit about shit.

go to parties thrown by promoters who have solid history of throwing good 
events with good music and who are in good standing with other promoters and 
musicians in their region. regardless of the rumor your heard or if an event 
was cancelled once, or even shut down by the police sometime ago.

Shit happens. Know what's going on. Or go to all the phatphest style parties 
and deal with the same shit over and over.

It's real simple.

People should make decisions for them selves. Don't rely on the words of a 
stupid website, some crack head you always see at parties who thinks he 
knows what's up, or a group of 19 year old ravers who care more about the 
price of a pill than the dj who is on at any given moment at a rave 
anywhere.

The reason why things like this happen is because:

people are stupid.

the end.










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From mw-raves-return-6266-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Aug 27 21:29:38 2000
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Subject: [mw] RED - thanks  and shout outs!

lorie and i would like to thank you all who came out to our
party. although i missed a good portion of the night's music, from all the
reviews i got from various people throughout the night, i hear it was
ROCKIN'. 

oliver ho also said that it was his best u.s. date yet. =D so some majick
was made last night*. the kids who came out were wonderful and relatively
well behaved. no incidents of od's and dumb shit. just mad kids gettin
down. and that makes me happy.

right after the patry when it hit me that we didnt break even, i was kinda
upset but as people kept tellnig me about all the fun they had and how
good oliver ho was. (wish i could have seen him but oh well. heheh.) 

thanks go to my entire staff of people who helped set up, decorate,
search, play records, run errands, clean up, work the door, and help
de-stress me. 

thanks go out to all the kids who came out and threw down and was moved by
the music. you guys made everything worth every last penny and minute that
was spent on this party. now that i am done with stressing out about
things, i look back and see that it was every bit worth it just even if i
made a couple of people happy. =D 

next timeif there is one, (which i dont know for certain but i think i
have a new love), we are going to get a space before we plan a party (you
live you learn). 

ahhhhh okay i sound like a friggin sap. heheh but i just wanted to get
that out of my system. i know a lot of you saw me halfway on the verge of
tears or all stressed out but in the end it was all worth it. every last
second. 

thank you everyone!

i get by with a lil help from my friends. =D
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>quit mentioning E so much or frgus will come kick you in the nuts!


I noticed that you couldn't come up with a retort to my last response to
you.  Is this the best you can do?

I'm disappointed, but not suprised.



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fergcore@earthlink.net writes:

<< I noticed that you couldn't come up with a retort to my last response to
 you.  Is this the best you can do?
 
 I'm disappointed, but not suprised. >>

bahahaha...hasn't it occured to you yet that you are insignificant, frgus?

i guess the blue light special for clues at k-mart must've ended, today.

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From: lauryn g <teknoho@konfused.net>
To: indybitchnet <indybassnet@eGroups.com>; iu-ravelings
<iu-ravers@eGroups.com>; stevie t's playthings... <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Date: Sunday, August 27, 2000 5:30 PM
Subject: [mw] RED - thanks and shout outs!


>lorie and i would like to thank you all who came out to our
>party. although i missed a good portion of the night's music, from all the
>reviews i got from various people throughout the night, i hear it was
>ROCKIN'.
>
>oliver ho also said that it was his best u.s. date yet. =D so some majick
>was made last night*. the kids who came out were wonderful and relatively
>well behaved. no incidents of od's and dumb shit. just mad kids gettin
>down. and that makes me happy.
>
>right after the patry when it hit me that we didnt break even, i was kinda
>upset but as people kept tellnig me about all the fun they had and how
>good oliver ho was. (wish i could have seen him but oh well. heheh.)
>
>thanks go to my entire staff of people who helped set up, decorate,
>search, play records, run errands, clean up, work the door, and help
>de-stress me.
>
>thanks go out to all the kids who came out and threw down and was moved by
>the music. you guys made everything worth every last penny and minute that
>was spent on this party. now that i am done with stressing out about
>things, i look back and see that it was every bit worth it just even if i
>made a couple of people happy. =D
>
>next timeif there is one, (which i dont know for certain but i think i
>have a new love), we are going to get a space before we plan a party (you
>live you learn).
>
>ahhhhh okay i sound like a friggin sap. heheh but i just wanted to get
>that out of my system. i know a lot of you saw me halfway on the verge of
>tears or all stressed out but in the end it was all worth it. every last
>second.
>
>thank you everyone!
>
>i get by with a lil help from my friends. =D
>lauryn.
>
>
>
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Subject: [mw] Fw: [mw] RED - thanks  and shout outs!

Damnit...
Ok, just wanted to say that I had a great time at RED.  Oliver Ho was
awesome...nuff said.
I was gonna say hi to some folks once things wound down a little bit, but I
ended up leaving earlier than expected.  The heat along with a dinner that
didn't agree with me left me feeling a bit crappy, so I headed out as Oliver
Ho was finishing his set.  Wish I could've stayed longer, but what can you
do?

I had a great time, hope that your next party is even better.


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From mw-raves-return-6271-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 28 00:05:29 2000
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>bahahaha...hasn't it occured to you yet that you are insignificant, frgus?
>
>i guess the blue light special for clues at k-mart must've ended, today.



*ponders*

Nope...sorry...you're still unwitty and dull.


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From mw-raves-return-6272-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 28 00:11:59 2000
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Subject: [mw] VOTE!

for the semi-intelligent, non-frgus types...

<< <<>>
 
 there are a couple places
 www.beavoter.org
 www.vote.com
 www.rockthevote.com
  

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From mw-raves-return-6273-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 28 00:14:23 2000
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i don't know about you stevie, but i was going ot wait until some the first
tuesday in november to cast my vote.

you can get in line now though, actually, please do.

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From mw-raves-return-6274-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 28 00:20:31 2000
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Subject: [mw] FIRE!

Revelation 8

7 the first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled 
with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part
of trees was burnt up, and all the green grass was burnt up...

from AOL news...

<< 'We have the hottest driest weather in perhaps 50 years, we have thousands 
of lightning strikes an hour, we have 300 new fires every day in the West, 
largely because of lightning strikes,'' he said.
 
 In Montana, one of the worst hit states, officials said two major fires 
burning near the Bitterroot National Forest had combined to form one monster 
255,000 acres blaze.
 
 ''That's a very large fire now that they have joined, and obviously the 
containment efforts between the two fires weren't successful,'' said Marine 
Corps Major Curtis Hill, a spokesman for the National Interagency Fire Centre 
in Boise.
 
 ''The fires have burned into one big, major area now. But the good side is 
that there are two teams working the same fire at this point,'' Hill said, 
adding that other, smaller blazes were also likely to join together.
 
 Other major fires were reported burning in Idaho, Washington, and South 
Dakota, while gusty winds and hot, dry weather remained in the forecast for 
much of the U.S. West through early this week.
 
 With some 25,000 people involved in the firefighting effort and a total of 
more than 5.8 million acres scorched to date, state and federal officials 
were taking a new look at the possible policy implications of this year's 
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From mw-raves-return-6275-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 28 00:37:47 2000
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um, excuse me, tony, i specifically notated that post for semi-
intelligent people on the list not GHB heads!..hopefully, on your 
next excursion of trying to sythesize crack, you'll end up blowin
your worthless ass up!!

unfortunately AOL mysteriously edited out the quotes of my post
which would have read...

<>


here is another clue...

"stay outta the Bushes!!...stay outta the Bushes!!"
  ---  Rev.  Jesse Jackson


t

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From mw-raves-return-6276-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 28 00:41:37 2000
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Theelight316@aol.com 
>Subject: Re: [mw] VOTE!
>
>um, excuse me, tony, i specifically notated that post for semi-
>intelligent people on the list not GHB heads!..hopefully, on your 
>next excursion of trying to sythesize crack, you'll end up blowin
>your worthless ass up!!

you're so right stevie, i appologize for your appropriate post!

btw, merry x-mas everyone!  and don't forget to watch the 2002 olympics on
TV!

>unfortunately AOL mysteriously edited out the quotes of my post
>which would have read...

and this is not a conspiracy!?!?!  i think i see one!

-t

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Subject: Re: [mw] about wackphest - idiot promoters

Actually it's funny you mentioned Product 19. From
what it sounds like, he doesn't like people taking his
time slot as much as he doesn't like playing in the
time slot that's given to him :)
I played with that fella in Pittsburgh and he went
about 20 mins over into my set. Marty McFly and myself
were just standing there and laughing. He made a bet
with me that he could get Product 19 off the stage,
but then I just got mad and told him "look man..you
are done".
Funny funny djs :)

misha

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marty mcfly
ask him about merdith, the girl that books his flights.
i heard she got mad steez.
marty mcfly

cheers grandpa!

love,
gruve

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> Actually it's funny you mentioned Product 19. From
> what it sounds like, he doesn't like people taking his
> time slot as much as he doesn't like playing in the
> time slot that's given to him :)
> I played with that fella in Pittsburgh and he went
> about 20 mins over into my set. Marty McFly and myself
> were just standing there and laughing. He made a bet
> with me that he could get Product 19 off the stage,
> but then I just got mad and told him "look man..you
> are done".
> Funny funny djs :)
> 
> misha
> 
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From mw-raves-return-6279-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 28 04:07:03 2000
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very good idea, 

we've been talking about doing this with the mw-raves page for a long
time.  get some people to compile the info and i'll put it up.

chad


On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> While we're on this subject...I think that maybe a
> good idea would be to create a website to consolidate
> data on all promoters in the region, which would
> include reviewes by party kids, ratings by dj's and
> booking agents who have worked with the promoters
> before. That way, people going to a party thrown by a
> specific promoter will have information about them
> beforehand, and dj's/booking agents will know more
> about each promoter before they work with them.
> If there is something like that out there or if
> someone would like to handle the html part (i am very
> stupid in that dept), I would like to organize this.
> Any ideas?
> 
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From mw-raves-return-6280-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Aug 28 04:11:50 2000
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Ok..first off I just have 1 complaint too much techno in a row gets kinda 
repetative after 2 djs. Other then that the party was lots of fun. It was 
nice to see everyone again: Doris,Derek,Matt,Lauryn,Lori,Chad,Ted,Greg 
(jnice to meet you),Atomly, Sean, Jes,Jen,Heather and whoever else I'm 
leaving out. Even though I'm not the biggest fan of techno i do have to say 
Oliver Ho ROCKED, enough said. Oh well other then that i dont have much 
else to say...

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Subject: [mw] phatphest thoughts

wow...what a night...first, im surprised anyone made it w/ all the fog and
back roads...second, i heard the noise coming in @ 1:00am fri/sat about 1
mile away, so im not surprised the police made an appearance...third, im
surprised i got paid...looks like i got *very* lucky for once, but i know if
i didnt wait 45 minutes for the promoter to get to the front i wouldnt
have...next, it was a decent stage/video screen setup and that absolutely
shocked me...with all the disorganization, it looked nice, at least
temporarily...next...rumour has it that the police found about the party on
the internet and used that info to get the party out of the first space and
helped lead them to the second...next time you think you people dont watch,
they do...it could be a covert operation by the authorities, it could be a
parent who found a flyer, or it could be someone that found a flyer @ the
mall...point is, if you can find it on the net, anyone else can...i totally
feel for the djs and production people who undoubtedly got shafted for
this...i know i didnt get a deposit (even with my low fee for the night) but
i went because i was relatively close by...i know a lot of people drove much
longer distances, and probably came w/o deposits...to drive 45 minutes off
the closest highway to the middle of the woods and finding nothing must have
sucked...a question regarding all these summer festivals that have crashed
must be asked...how many are first time promoters??? seems like most of them
for this year at least...ask this question too...if creating a large
festival is so easy how come the most of the major promoters arent doing
it...im guessing that they know their niche and target market and it doesnt
fit their business plan (yes, if it costs more than an education @ a typical
state school, you should consider using some business acumen when planning
your party)...the scene is going through some major changes on the business
end and theres going to be a bigger fallout if people and promoters dont
adapt...seemingly sure thing events fall through and lose money at an
unprecedented rate weekly...its a very scary time to be a promoter...the
days of building it and having people come is ending very
quickly...production values matter (sound, lights, visuals, and themes) and
those promoters who dont start getting good value for their promoting dollar
and give that same value to their patrons will lose big...

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
djoracle@onebox.com
www.djoracle.com
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Subject: [mw] Hangin' out on the cross, was Re: Boot to your gash, was Re:
	slave to the beast

On 08/27/2000 3.54 PM Theelight316@aol.com put out the following propaganda:

> blitz666@uswest.net writes:
> 
> << we all would love to lick you in the nuts my little Christian Zombie
> Vampire!!! >>

oh yeh i like how you replaced the "K" in kick, with an "L" where it says
"lick", but that is sooooo untrue, cause there ain't anyone who has ever
even thought about doing that...there's just not that much 'hard-up' in the
world


> so you think you're Kooler than Jesus?

kooler than who?  is this Jesus character another one of the figments of
your imagination that has manifested itself in your so-called reality?

> ...prepare for thy holy smack down...

oh yeh, right back at ya with the tweaker sneak attack and the Pleidian
bumrush...BOOLYAH, crucified again!!!


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Subject: [mw] Kickin Satan's Ass wuz: Hangin' out on the cross,

blitz666@uswest.net writes:

<< kooler than who?  is this Jesus character another one of the figments of
 your imagination that has manifested itself in your so-called reality?>>

um, jesus was an actual individual that has been documented
quite proficiently in human history...why else would so many 
billions of people still worship him today?...however, seeing as 
you are one of the soul-less, it is no wonder why you lack the 
comprehension of a divine being!
 
<<oh yeh, right back at ya with the tweaker sneak attack and
the Pleidian bumrush...BOOLYAH, crucified again!!! >>

what a friggin pseudo-intellectual, pleidians are the righteous 
spiritual aliens, have you even read any barbara marciniak yet?
...perhaps you have them confused with the greys, who have
been trying to control mankind for some time now by trading alien
technological secrets in exchange for human abductions for 
their breeding experiments!

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 16:26:12 GMT "DJ .com" <phlurgg@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I will go furthur.
>
>I think I'm getting starry eyed again.

hehehehe.  me too.

um.  after reading that.

[three lines!]

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Subject: Re: [mw] web site to rate production companies.

About this web site topic...

The idea suggested is a positive one, but very unrealistic.

What about flamers and others who only wish to say bad things and make 
people angry as we have scene on this list?

What about personal differences, favored opinions, etc.

What about all the people who talk trash, but don't have a clue?

Would the list admin be absolutely unbiased?

Will there be strict guidlines to the content and opinions?

Will the list admin be responsible for editing or controlling content?

Who will be the judge in the first place?

DJ's? Other promoters? Or just Kids?

???

Were not talking about a toaster, hotel, or car insurance here.

This isn't some product or service that a board of "experts" can place a 
rating on.

It's kind of obsurd to think that you can oragnize a fair, authoritive 
source to say who's keeping it real and who's not.

I don't need a web site to tell me that, but it appears that some people do.

It's actually funny.

Again, not a very realistic idea when you look at the current state of a lot 
of lists and message boards...

Like this one.

-r

>
>very good idea,
>
>we've been talking about doing this with the mw-raves page for a long
>time.  get some people to compile the info and i'll put it up.
>
>chad
>
>
>On Sat, 26 Aug 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
>
> > While we're on this subject...I think that maybe a
> > good idea would be to create a website to consolidate
> > data on all promoters in the region, which would
> > include reviewes by party kids, ratings by dj's and
> > booking agents who have worked with the promoters
> > before. That way, people going to a party thrown by a
> > specific promoter will have information about them
> > beforehand, and dj's/booking agents will know more
> > about each promoter before they work with them.
> > If there is something like that out there or if
> > someone would like to handle the html part (i am very
> > stupid in that dept), I would like to organize this.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Misha
> >
> > =====
> > Mikhail Khaimov / DJ Tsar
> >
> > Entice, Level 9.0
> > http://djtsar.com
> > http://www.entice.nu
> > 859.288.4599
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Subject: [mw] Mark of the Beast

So  i was checkin the UN web pages, and came across this article...

does anybody else find this disturbing?...


UN NGOs Propose UN Currency, Banks and Global Computer to=20
Implement Plan  for Welfare Check for Every Person=20

 Geneva, Switzerland  As government leaders from 170 nations deliver=20
 their official addresses on social development needs and progress at a=20
 special session of the UN General Assembly in Geneva, across the street=20
 thousands of other UN delegates are discussing ways to meet those needs=20
 through UN agencies. Thomas Jacobson, senior policy analyst for Freedom=20
 Alliance, attended a session today, titled, Basic Income For All People.=20
 "While well-intentioned," Mr. Jacobson said, "the UN delegates are=20
 proposing systems that would give the UN a measure of control over every=20
 person, nation and economy in the world. Plus the UN would have its own=20
 currency and banks, and have a gigantic computer with information about=20
 every person on the face of the earth. That is alarming!"
=20
 The idea of giving every person in the world a basic income, or yearly=20
 welfare check of approximately 250 UN dollars, was invented by the late=20
 Pieter Kooistra, an artist from the Netherlands. His idea is being=20
 passionately promoted by others before the UN and Non-Governmental=20
 Organizations (NGOs) that work closely with the UN. Here are some of the=20
 basic elements of the proposal:=20
=20
 The money: 250 UN dollars to each person each year (may be in UN=20
 currency or UN bank debit card);=20
 =B7 For 6 billion people, the cost would be at least 1.5 trillion UN=20
 dollars per year;=20
 =B7 People in poorer countries would receive more, which would increase=20
 the cost;=20
 =B7 Funds could be used to buy food and necessities, but the "rich" could=20
 not use funds for food;=20
 =B7 The "people of the world would decide  what goods and services could=20
 be purchased";=20
 =B7 Over 15-20 years, the amount would be increased to about 3,500 UN=20
 dollars.=20
=20
 UN Banks, "Supplemental Economy" and "Field Representatives":=20
 =B7 UN would have a central bank and local banks;=20
 =B7 An entirely separate "supplemental economy" would be developed using=20
 the UN currency;=20
 =B7 There would be a central computer system that would know how much each=20
 person may spend;=20
 =B7 Every 1,000 people would be represented by a UN field worker, who=20
 would, for each person, enter into the global computer personal=20
 information and items approved for purchase;=20
 =B7 Those who are found guilty of any type of coercion or fraud would be=20
 banned from the system.=20
=20
 Mr. Jacobson concluded, "What is being proposed by these UN delegates is=20
 nothing short of global government with great potential for misuse."
=20
 For further information or to arrange an interview, call Mr. Jacobson at=20
 one of the above Geneva numbers from June 26 to July 1. If calling from=20
 the U.S., call: 011-41-79-470-1701 (cell phone), or 011-41-22-732-1530=20
 (hotel). After July 5th, call the USA office at 703-444-7940. =20

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Revelation 13=20

16 and he causeth all, both small, and great, rich and poor, free
and bond, to recieve a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads

17 and that no man might buy or sell, save he had the mark, or the=20
name of the beast, or the number of his name

18 here is wisdom.  let him that hath understanding count the number
of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred
threescore and six.

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Subject: [mw] More Disturbing News

I'm asian, yet I still found this news very disturbing...

[And they're doing this right after they released when Wen Ho Lee
for allegedly stealing nuclear secrets (when everyone knows that
China has already had nuclear capabilities for some time now)]

Chinese to tour sensitive facilities=20
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The Pentagon is hosting a group of Chinese str=
ategic military=20
planners whose trip to sensitive U.S. military facilities is raising=20
questions in Congress about violations of law.=20

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The delegation from China's Academy of Militar=
y Sciences arrived=20
Friday and is headed by Gen. Wang Zuxun, the new head of the academy=20
that is developing military doctrine on how China can use advanced=20
technology to defeat more powerful foes like the United States, said=20
Pentagon officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The group traveled earlier this week to severa=
l U.S. military=20
schools, but its visit today to the Joint Forces Command in Norfolk is=20
causing concern among some members of Congress and officials in the=20
Pentagon.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The command is where the U.S. military is deve=
loping its most=20
advanced war-fighting techniques and doctrine =E2=80=94 information known to=
 be=20
a target of Chinese military spying.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Sen. Robert C. Smith, New Hampshire Republican=
, said allowing=20
Chinese military officials to visit the command appears to violate=20
recent congressional legislation he co-sponsored that prohibits the=20
Pentagon from helping China develop war-fighting capabilities.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The law was sponsored jointly by Mr. Smith and=
 Rep. Tom DeLay,=20
Texas Republican, and created what the Pentagon calls the Smith-DeLay=20
guidelines for Chinese military exchanges.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0"I am shocked that DoD appears to be thwarting=
 the law with regard=20
to the Smith/DeLay U.S.-P.R.C. military-to-military restrictions," Mr.=20
Smith told The Washington Times in a statement.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Mr. Smith said the visit to the Joint Forces C=
ommand could help=20
China's military learn sensitive data on U.S. advanced war-fighting=20
experiments.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0"The congressional restrictions specifically p=
rohibit inappropriate=20
exposure to joint war-fighting experimentation," Mr. Smith said. "Why=20
should the Pentagon be seen to be facilitating Beijing in the pursuit of=20
that goal when, on an almost daily basis, the [People's Republic of=20
China] is threatening to attack democratic Taiwan and the United States=20
itself if we intervened to defend Taiwan?"
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Mr. DeLay also said he was troubled by the vis=
it.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0"It's incredible that the Clinton-Gore adminis=
tration is acting as=20
tour guides for People's Liberation Army officials visiting sensitive=20
American military facilities when only last week it stopped members of=20
Congress from meeting with the democratically elected leader of Taiwan=20
when he was visiting Los Angeles," Mr. DeLay told The Times.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Three Chinese generals are among the group, in=
cluding Gen. Wang, a=20
former ground forces commander. The academy is China's leading military=20
think tank for the so-called revolution in military affairs =E2=80=94 modern=
,=20
high-technology warfare. It also specializes in developing doctrine on=20
"information warfare" =E2=80=94 attacks on computers and electronic-based=20
infrastructures.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The Chinese military delegation is part of the=
 Pentagon's military=20
exchange program with China, which has come under fire from critics, who=20
say it will boost China's military.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The visit will continue through Sept. 1. The i=
tinerary includes=20
meetings at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, the Army War=20
College in Pennsylvania, the Army's Training and Doctrine Command at=20
Fort Monroe, Va., and the U.S. Pacific Command in Honolulu. The group=20
will visit the Pentagon later this week.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Asked if the visit will conform to the Smith-D=
eLay guidelines, a=20
defense official said the Pentagon believes it does.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0However, the official said Congress was not in=
formed about the=20
places where the Academy of Military Sciences officials will visit. The=20
official said Congress was notified earlier of the general outline of=20
the entire military-to-military exchange program that included "a=20
forecast" of the visit.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The Chinese visit to Norfolk comes during a cu=
rrent war-fighting=20
experiment called Joint Deployment Process Improvement, which simulates=20
a major military deployment.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0A Pentagon description of the experiment says=20=
it is designed "to=20
improve joint war-fighting capabilities."
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The restrictions on Chinese military exchanges=
 specifically=20
prohibit any exchanges that will improve China's joint war-fighting=20
capabilities, an area the Chinese military is known to be working on.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The command also is the location of the Joint=20=
Training Analysis and=20
Simulation Center and the Joint Experimentation Battle Lab.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Cmdr. Linc Smith, a command spokesman, had no=20=
immediate comment=20
when asked if the Chinese will be permitted to visit those facilities.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The defense official said the purpose of hosti=
ng the visit is to=20
expose the Chinese to the U.S. "military education system."
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0However, other Pentagon officials said China's=
 Academy of Military=20
Sciences (AMS) is not involved in military education. It is a military=20
strategic doctrine and planning center for advanced war-fighting=20
concepts, including plans for how to forcibly reunite Taiwan with the=20
mainland.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0A Pentagon-sponsored study on China's military=
 states that the=20
academy produces classified reports for the Chinese military's strategic=20
planning process.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0"Of all the research institutes, AMS is the mo=
st secretive and=20
least visited by foreigners," the book, "China Debates the Future=20
Security Environment" by Michael Pillsbury, states.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0"It performs analysis for the Central Military=
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General Staff Department," it said. Among the known topics of its=20
research are border security, guidance for "strategies and battles under=20
high-technology conditions," and the regularization of the Chinese armed=20
forces.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The academy has no students and no classes, ra=
ising suspicions=20
among some officials that the current delegation is on an intelligence-=20
and technology-collection mission.
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The academy was modeled on the former Soviet G=
eneral Staff Academy.=20
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HEHE!! Be prepared to NEVER be booked again!!!

;)

Rob


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Subject: [mw] fuck shitty promoters


While we're on this subject...I think that maybe a
good idea would be to create a website to consolidate
data on all promoters in the region, which would
include reviewes by party kids, ratings by dj's and
booking agents who have worked with the promoters
before. That way, people going to a party thrown by a
specific promoter will have information about them
beforehand, and dj's/booking agents will know more
about each promoter before they work with them.
If there is something like that out there or if
someone would like to handle the html part (i am very
stupid in that dept), I would like to organize this.
Any ideas?

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What ever happened to starting small? Nuff said.

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> So  i was checkin the UN web pages, and came across this article...
> 
> does anybody else find this disturbing?...
<drivel about UN>
nah.
eris saves.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Theelight316@aol.com [mailto:Theelight316@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 3:57 AM
To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
Subject: [mw] Mark of the Beast


So  i was checkin the UN web pages, and came across this article...

does anybody else find this disturbing?...


UN NGOs Propose UN Currency, Banks and Global Computer to 
Implement Plan  for Welfare Check for Every Person

#### Oh yeah baby.. Were definitely screwed! I knew this long ago!! Where u
been Stevie?!?

U know another thing I cannot understand: Liberals who want OPEN trade with
China..Thats like a fish that hates water. 

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Im with you all the way on this one stevie. But, I cannot comment since =
it
would probably jeapardize my carreer.

So, you now know what I deal with, if you can read between the lines.

Needless to say, at times it leaves a bad taste.

Rob


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [mw] More Disturbing News


I'm asian, yet I still found this news very disturbing...

[And they're doing this right after they released when Wen Ho Lee
for allegedly stealing nuclear secrets (when everyone knows that
China has already had nuclear capabilities for some time now)]

Chinese to tour sensitive facilities=20
By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

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So...do you think that at this point the promoter
should have already updated the website and the info
line? =) "the mailbox for Luscious Productions is
full"
Pfft..fucking dorks.

Misha

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-----Original Message-----
From: lauryn g [mailto:teknoho@konfused.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 3:39 PM
To: indybitchnet; iu-ravelings; stevie t's playthings...
Subject: [mw] RED - thanks and shout outs!

<SNIP>
right after the patry when it hit me that we didnt break even, i was kinda
upset but as people kept tellnig me about all the fun they had and how
good oliver ho was. (wish i could have seen him but oh well. heheh.) 

Jeez, thats really too bad for such a good event. I don't think you could
have fit more ppl in their either.


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Yeah.. esp. when <ctrl-A-delete> is pretty easy to do to get that ol mailbox
cleared! ;)

rob


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So...do you think that at this point the promoter
should have already updated the website and the info
line? =) "the mailbox for Luscious Productions is
full"
Pfft..fucking dorks.

Misha

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On Sun, Aug 27, 2000 at 10:31:53AM -0700, Ted Weinberg wrote:
> Adam,  Amanda, Becky, Chad, Derek, Doris, Grant, Greg, Jaimmie, James,
> Jen, Jes, Lauryn, Lorie (thanks u 2, glad u found a space), Matt, Rob,
> Sean.. 

I would like to note that Ted listed these people in alphabetical order
and therefore in accordance with AP style.

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Subject: Re: [mw] web site to rate production companies.

I think this can be pulled off.  First lets talk about
flamers..

Usually when you see reviews of parties they normally
go one way or another.  Usually they are mostly good
or mostly bad.  When you get a series of reviews that
are overwelmingly good and then one that butchers the
party, there is a good chance that the bad review is
someone with an ax to grind so it should not hold much
weight.  There are exceptions but I have definately
noticed that.  I have seen good parties reviewed badly
by one person who just by coincidence had their drugs
taked away by security.  They are now jaded and their
review is suspect.  You may not know something
happened to then but you can tell by reading the
review.  The same holds for bad parties.  If a party
is really bad and the review is all flowery.  That
person usually is a friend of or associated in some
way to the party.  Remember, there are exceptions to
this so this isn't always true but it's something to
look at.

The ratings should not be a definative yes or no. 
Circumstances should be taken into effect also.  For
instance if a party is shut down because of an OD, a
promoter should not be trashed for that.  If a DJ does
not show a promoter does not automatically get trashed
for that.  There are alot of circumstances behind no
show D.J.'s and it isn't always a promoters fault.

One other thing is that D.J.'s, lighting guys, sound
guys, and such should have alot of weight to their
reviews.  They ARE the ones behind the scenes and they
know what is going on. 

I think a good way to do it is the Ebay rating way if
that is possible.  

Just some thoughts.... :)

PS - Randy, you may be right.  It might not be
unrealistic or feasible, but it is worth a try.



--- subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> About this web site topic...
> 
> The idea suggested is a positive one, but very
> unrealistic.
> 
> What about flamers and others who only wish to say
> bad things and make 
> people angry as we have scene on this list?
> 
> What about personal differences, favored opinions,
> etc.
> 
> What about all the people who talk trash, but don't
> have a clue?
> 
> Would the list admin be absolutely unbiased?
> 
> Will there be strict guidlines to the content and
> opinions?
> 
> Will the list admin be responsible for editing or
> controlling content?
> 
> Who will be the judge in the first place?
> 
> DJ's? Other promoters? Or just Kids?
> 
> ???
> 
> Were not talking about a toaster, hotel, or car
> insurance here.
> 
> This isn't some product or service that a board of
> "experts" can place a 
> rating on.
> 
> It's kind of obsurd to think that you can oragnize a
> fair, authoritive 
> source to say who's keeping it real and who's not.
> 
> I don't need a web site to tell me that, but it
> appears that some people do.
> 
> It's actually funny.
> 
> Again, not a very realistic idea when you look at
> the current state of a lot 
> of lists and message boards...
> 
> Like this one.
> 
> -r


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Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.

you know, this is already sort of what we do here when we talk about
parties.  there's reviews, and we talk about the promoters.  what was that
page you can use to search the archives again?

-t

ps - i still haven't heard anything about that party aug 19th, I, Robot in
indy?  did anyone go?

-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor Lamont [mailto:housetroopa@yahoo.com]
Subject: Re: [mw] web site to rate production companies.


I think this can be pulled off.  First lets talk about
flamers..

Usually when you see reviews of parties they normally
go one way or another.  Usually they are mostly good
or mostly bad.  When you get a series of reviews that
are overwelmingly good and then one that butchers the
party, there is a good chance that the bad review is
someone with an ax to grind so it should not hold much
weight.  There are exceptions but I have definately
noticed that.  I have seen good parties reviewed badly
by one person who just by coincidence had their drugs
taked away by security.  They are now jaded and their
review is suspect.  You may not know something
happened to then but you can tell by reading the
review.  The same holds for bad parties.  If a party
is really bad and the review is all flowery.  That
person usually is a friend of or associated in some
way to the party.  Remember, there are exceptions to
this so this isn't always true but it's something to
look at.

The ratings should not be a definative yes or no. 
Circumstances should be taken into effect also.  For
instance if a party is shut down because of an OD, a
promoter should not be trashed for that.  If a DJ does
not show a promoter does not automatically get trashed
for that.  There are alot of circumstances behind no
show D.J.'s and it isn't always a promoters fault.

One other thing is that D.J.'s, lighting guys, sound
guys, and such should have alot of weight to their
reviews.  They ARE the ones behind the scenes and they
know what is going on. 

I think a good way to do it is the Ebay rating way if
that is possible.  

Just some thoughts.... :)

PS - Randy, you may be right.  It might not be
unrealistic or feasible, but it is worth a try.



--- subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> About this web site topic...
> 
> The idea suggested is a positive one, but very
> unrealistic.
> 
> What about flamers and others who only wish to say
> bad things and make 
> people angry as we have scene on this list?
> 
> What about personal differences, favored opinions,
> etc.
> 
> What about all the people who talk trash, but don't
> have a clue?
> 
> Would the list admin be absolutely unbiased?
> 
> Will there be strict guidlines to the content and
> opinions?
> 
> Will the list admin be responsible for editing or
> controlling content?
> 
> Who will be the judge in the first place?
> 
> DJ's? Other promoters? Or just Kids?
> 
> ???
> 
> Were not talking about a toaster, hotel, or car
> insurance here.
> 
> This isn't some product or service that a board of
> "experts" can place a 
> rating on.
> 
> It's kind of obsurd to think that you can oragnize a
> fair, authoritive 
> source to say who's keeping it real and who's not.
> 
> I don't need a web site to tell me that, but it
> appears that some people do.
> 
> It's actually funny.
> 
> Again, not a very realistic idea when you look at
> the current state of a lot 
> of lists and message boards...
> 
> Like this one.
> 
> -r


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i'm in, and i love to buy domain names :p

between diet coke and domain name registration, together i think they're
worse than heroin for me.

-t

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i think the website is a good idea...knowyourpromoter.com would work

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I agree with Trevor. We can all sit and talk about
this idea not working, but until we actually try it we
won't know for sure right? 
Also...it's very hard to rate something when you get
write-ups from people. Instead, all we would need to
do is come up with a series of questions. For example,
have several questions on talent, lighting and sound,
professionalism of staff, overall organization and
have a 1 to 5 point system. I don't think you can
really talk much shit when you get asked direct and
very professional questions.
To compile the data, all you would need to do is look
on ravedata or hyperreal and make a list of events.
Then do a search engine where people would put in the
party name or just have a list of parties and let
people select their party from the list. 

Is that doable?
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Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.

i think the website is a good idea...knowyourpromoter.com would work...have 
a professional/dj/production part, and a party kid section so there can be a 
couple different perspectives...sometimes promoters lose touch w/ their 
crowds and could use a little info to help them along...i think each 
submission could be confirmed similar to the way you have to confirm signing 
on this list...that way it would concievably filter out useless reviews or 
clutter from flamers from anonymous accounts...promoters could advertise 
their ratings on the flyers similar to the way car companies advertise 
awards in their ads...so far i see 3-4 active djs with experiences in and 
out of town standing up for this...thats a good start and i think this can 
work...

dj oracle aka daniel britt
940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
djoracle@onebox.com
www.djoracle.com [under const.]



>From: Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com>
>To: 'Trevor Lamont' <housetroopa@yahoo.com>, subsonik productions  
><subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>, chad@konfused.net, dj_tsar@yahoo.com
>CC: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:39:54 -0500
>
>you know, this is already sort of what we do here when we talk about
>parties.  there's reviews, and we talk about the promoters.  what was that
>page you can use to search the archives again?
>
>-t
>
>ps - i still haven't heard anything about that party aug 19th, I, Robot in
>indy?  did anyone go?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Trevor Lamont [mailto:housetroopa@yahoo.com]
>Subject: Re: [mw] web site to rate production companies.
>
>
>I think this can be pulled off.  First lets talk about
>flamers..
>
>Usually when you see reviews of parties they normally
>go one way or another.  Usually they are mostly good
>or mostly bad.  When you get a series of reviews that
>are overwelmingly good and then one that butchers the
>party, there is a good chance that the bad review is
>someone with an ax to grind so it should not hold much
>weight.  There are exceptions but I have definately
>noticed that.  I have seen good parties reviewed badly
>by one person who just by coincidence had their drugs
>taked away by security.  They are now jaded and their
>review is suspect.  You may not know something
>happened to then but you can tell by reading the
>review.  The same holds for bad parties.  If a party
>is really bad and the review is all flowery.  That
>person usually is a friend of or associated in some
>way to the party.  Remember, there are exceptions to
>this so this isn't always true but it's something to
>look at.
>
>The ratings should not be a definative yes or no.
>Circumstances should be taken into effect also.  For
>instance if a party is shut down because of an OD, a
>promoter should not be trashed for that.  If a DJ does
>not show a promoter does not automatically get trashed
>for that.  There are alot of circumstances behind no
>show D.J.'s and it isn't always a promoters fault.
>
>One other thing is that D.J.'s, lighting guys, sound
>guys, and such should have alot of weight to their
>reviews.  They ARE the ones behind the scenes and they
>know what is going on.
>
>I think a good way to do it is the Ebay rating way if
>that is possible.
>
>Just some thoughts.... :)
>
>PS - Randy, you may be right.  It might not be
>unrealistic or feasible, but it is worth a try.
>
>
>
>--- subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
> > About this web site topic...
> >
> > The idea suggested is a positive one, but very
> > unrealistic.
> >
> > What about flamers and others who only wish to say
> > bad things and make
> > people angry as we have scene on this list?
> >
> > What about personal differences, favored opinions,
> > etc.
> >
> > What about all the people who talk trash, but don't
> > have a clue?
> >
> > Would the list admin be absolutely unbiased?
> >
> > Will there be strict guidlines to the content and
> > opinions?
> >
> > Will the list admin be responsible for editing or
> > controlling content?
> >
> > Who will be the judge in the first place?
> >
> > DJ's? Other promoters? Or just Kids?
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Were not talking about a toaster, hotel, or car
> > insurance here.
> >
> > This isn't some product or service that a board of
> > "experts" can place a
> > rating on.
> >
> > It's kind of obsurd to think that you can oragnize a
> > fair, authoritive
> > source to say who's keeping it real and who's not.
> >
> > I don't need a web site to tell me that, but it
> > appears that some people do.
> >
> > It's actually funny.
> >
> > Again, not a very realistic idea when you look at
> > the current state of a lot
> > of lists and message boards...
> >
> > Like this one.
> >
> > -r
>
>
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Ultimately it would be a good idea to make this
website nationwide. I am sure rave-related websites
like ravedata get plenty of hits from people. All you
would need to do is have 'em put out banned up there.
That's it =) 
I can't speak for all the dj's who travel out of town
to spin, but for me it's becoming very important to
know who I am spinning for. I don't want to drive/fly
half a day to find out that I will get shafted, not
paid, the party is cancelled or moved or the sound
crew is not there at 9:30 PM. Shit happens sometimes,
but I think it'll be easy to notice a trend once
things get under way.

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btw, i already have "raveintegrity.com" (heh, is that an oxymoron?)
registered.  it came outta my thoughts on the whole LOTD3 melee last
february.

-t

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Ultimately it would be a good idea to make this
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Subject: [mw] y&r

Anyone watch it?

They are going to have a rave in genioa city!!!!

damn.... raves in the paper..in the news.... in movies.. and now in my
fuckin soap opera!!!!!
This is going to be interesting on what they show. Maybe they willbe cool
and focus onthe dj.. doubt that though.

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i've got money that someone important on yer soap od's on ecstacy.  heh,
maybe an ecstacy pacifier?  i hear thems popular these days.

lemme know if i'm right, i wanna watch y&r about as much as i wanna lie
bleeding in traffic.

-t

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They are going to have a rave in genioa city!!!!

damn.... raves in the paper..in the news.... in movies.. and now in my
fuckin soap opera!!!!!
This is going to be interesting on what they show. Maybe they willbe cool
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do you have that in a .net domain?

chad

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Tony Sebion wrote:

> btw, i already have "raveintegrity.com" (heh, is that an oxymoron?)
> registered.  it came outta my thoughts on the whole LOTD3 melee last
> february.
> 
> -t
> 
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> 
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Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.

its probably available, all in favor say "aye" and i'll grab it.

-t

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do you have that in a .net domain?

chad

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Tony Sebion wrote:

> btw, i already have "raveintegrity.com" (heh, is that an oxymoron?)
> registered.  it came outta my thoughts on the whole LOTD3 melee last
> february.
> 
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Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.

i don't like the sound of advertising.

chad

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, dj oracle wrote:

> i think the website is a good idea...knowyourpromoter.com would work...have 
> a professional/dj/production part, and a party kid section so there can be a 
> couple different perspectives...sometimes promoters lose touch w/ their 
> crowds and could use a little info to help them along...i think each 
> submission could be confirmed similar to the way you have to confirm signing 
> on this list...that way it would concievably filter out useless reviews or 
> clutter from flamers from anonymous accounts...promoters could advertise 
> their ratings on the flyers similar to the way car companies advertise 
> awards in their ads...so far i see 3-4 active djs with experiences in and 
> out of town standing up for this...thats a good start and i think this can 
> work...
> 
> dj oracle aka daniel britt
> 940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
> booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
> djoracle@onebox.com
> www.djoracle.com [under const.]
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com>
> >To: 'Trevor Lamont' <housetroopa@yahoo.com>, subsonik productions  
> ><subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>, chad@konfused.net, dj_tsar@yahoo.com
> >CC: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.
> >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 09:39:54 -0500
> >
> >you know, this is already sort of what we do here when we talk about
> >parties.  there's reviews, and we talk about the promoters.  what was that
> >page you can use to search the archives again?
> >
> >-t
> >
> >ps - i still haven't heard anything about that party aug 19th, I, Robot in
> >indy?  did anyone go?
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Trevor Lamont [mailto:housetroopa@yahoo.com]
> >Subject: Re: [mw] web site to rate production companies.
> >
> >
> >I think this can be pulled off.  First lets talk about
> >flamers..
> >
> >Usually when you see reviews of parties they normally
> >go one way or another.  Usually they are mostly good
> >or mostly bad.  When you get a series of reviews that
> >are overwelmingly good and then one that butchers the
> >party, there is a good chance that the bad review is
> >someone with an ax to grind so it should not hold much
> >weight.  There are exceptions but I have definately
> >noticed that.  I have seen good parties reviewed badly
> >by one person who just by coincidence had their drugs
> >taked away by security.  They are now jaded and their
> >review is suspect.  You may not know something
> >happened to then but you can tell by reading the
> >review.  The same holds for bad parties.  If a party
> >is really bad and the review is all flowery.  That
> >person usually is a friend of or associated in some
> >way to the party.  Remember, there are exceptions to
> >this so this isn't always true but it's something to
> >look at.
> >
> >The ratings should not be a definative yes or no.
> >Circumstances should be taken into effect also.  For
> >instance if a party is shut down because of an OD, a
> >promoter should not be trashed for that.  If a DJ does
> >not show a promoter does not automatically get trashed
> >for that.  There are alot of circumstances behind no
> >show D.J.'s and it isn't always a promoters fault.
> >
> >One other thing is that D.J.'s, lighting guys, sound
> >guys, and such should have alot of weight to their
> >reviews.  They ARE the ones behind the scenes and they
> >know what is going on.
> >
> >I think a good way to do it is the Ebay rating way if
> >that is possible.
> >
> >Just some thoughts.... :)
> >
> >PS - Randy, you may be right.  It might not be
> >unrealistic or feasible, but it is worth a try.
> >
> >
> >
> >--- subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
> > > About this web site topic...
> > >
> > > The idea suggested is a positive one, but very
> > > unrealistic.
> > >
> > > What about flamers and others who only wish to say
> > > bad things and make
> > > people angry as we have scene on this list?
> > >
> > > What about personal differences, favored opinions,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > What about all the people who talk trash, but don't
> > > have a clue?
> > >
> > > Would the list admin be absolutely unbiased?
> > >
> > > Will there be strict guidlines to the content and
> > > opinions?
> > >
> > > Will the list admin be responsible for editing or
> > > controlling content?
> > >
> > > Who will be the judge in the first place?
> > >
> > > DJ's? Other promoters? Or just Kids?
> > >
> > > ???
> > >
> > > Were not talking about a toaster, hotel, or car
> > > insurance here.
> > >
> > > This isn't some product or service that a board of
> > > "experts" can place a
> > > rating on.
> > >
> > > It's kind of obsurd to think that you can oragnize a
> > > fair, authoritive
> > > source to say who's keeping it real and who's not.
> > >
> > > I don't need a web site to tell me that, but it
> > > appears that some people do.
> > >
> > > It's actually funny.
> > >
> > > Again, not a very realistic idea when you look at
> > > the current state of a lot
> > > of lists and message boards...
> > >
> > > Like this one.
> > >
> > > -r
> >
> >
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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< U know another thing I cannot understand: Liberals who want 
OPEN trade with China..Thats like a fish that hates water. 
 
 Rob >>

WTF?!...do you live in a bubble?...there has *been* open trading with
China for some time...Hell, the CIA friggin trained Mao Tse Dong in
the Yale in China program the fine art of Communism to eliminate the 
leaders to convert it into an industrial nation so that America could start 
up their sweat shops there!...

They've only publicly anounced it to try to beef up our foreign relations P.R.
...when every joe blow has noticed "made in China" tags on many of
their merchandise for quite some time now!...hell, they just had a political
rally against Nike on the OSU campus here against Nike...Nike sell their
shoes for like $100/pair, when it truly only costs about $5/pair to 
manufacture!...ironically the workers, only make like $5/hr and work like
12 hour days!...truly slave to the American beast!...and a fine example
of the extent of American corporate greed!!

In addition, I am not a Liberal, I believe in what this country was founded
upon - a Democracy - power to the people!

However, my parents are Republicans!...ala People's Republic of China
- Taiwan...where most of China's leaders fled to during the Communist
takeover...and most of China's royal bloodline ended up here in America
...see the Last Emperor...only to be mistaken as "gooks" and completely
mistreated due to that misconception...it was mostly chinese that built
that railroad system that stretched across the east coast to the west
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you mean that "ca'ching" sound?

eh, i think advertising parties on the site would be very
"conflict-of-interest"y... but there's nothing wrong IMHO with showing ads
for related items (rave gear, glowsticks (heh), other web sites, etc) or
non-related but interesting things.

i have a series of ad banners that i throw up on any site that i'm playing
around with... for pretty neutral things like http://food.com (heh, its a
little hard to be against food, or at least a litlte hard to stay alive
keeping that position for long), or online banking or stuff like that.

its an honest way to pay for yr time and ideas, even if it only comes 2
cents at a time.

-t

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Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.


i don't like the sound of advertising.

chad

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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< But, I cannot comment since it
 would probably jeapardize my carreer.
 
 So, you now know what I deal with, if you can read between the lines.
 
 Needless to say, at times it leaves a bad taste. >>

i knew you were shadey!

ironic, just about every drug dealer i know learned their trade
while in the military!

hell, even Al Gore admits, he first experimented with marijuana
while he was enlisted...and everyone already knows about Bush
Jr's dabble with cocaine when he was younger...he couldn't help
it, was kind of like the hidden family business at the time!

oops, look like i said too much again!

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Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.

why???
if you think of it in the same way like a consumer reports works (or is 
supposed to) it could mean a mark of quality and a logo of for example a 5* 
promoter could be placed on the flyer where everyone is still sticking 
massive logos...


>From: chad m spoonhaus <chad@konfused.net>
>To: dj oracle <djoracle@hotmail.com>
>CC: tony@sebion.com, housetroopa@yahoo.com, subsonik_pro@hotmail.com,       
>  dj_tsar@yahoo.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:31:05 -0500 (CDT)
>
>i don't like the sound of advertising.
>
>chad
>
>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, dj oracle wrote:
>
> > i think the website is a good idea...knowyourpromoter.com would 
>work...have
> > a professional/dj/production part, and a party kid section so there can 
>be a
> > couple different perspectives...sometimes promoters lose touch w/ their
> > crowds and could use a little info to help them along...i think each
> > submission could be confirmed similar to the way you have to confirm 
>signing
> > on this list...that way it would concievably filter out useless reviews 
>or
> > clutter from flamers from anonymous accounts...promoters could advertise
> > their ratings on the flyers similar to the way car companies advertise
> > awards in their ads...
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> eh, i think advertising parties on the site would be very
> "conflict-of-interest"y... but there's nothing wrong IMHO 
> with showing ads
> for related items (rave gear, glowsticks (heh), other web 
> sites, etc) or
> non-related but interesting things.

i think what was implied was the use of ratings BY promoters for their own
flyer use.
much like "check my +86 positive feedback on ebay!", or movie ratings and
things.
the site would eventually become a reliable enough resource that the
ratings(4 out of 5 glowsticks!)
could be used for promoters on their flyers, so as to draw a larger crowd
and brag about their
reliability.

i think.

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Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.

for the record, im not saying promoters can advertise on site, im saying 
that a good promoter as defined by the site standards can achieve various 
levels of quality and the highest of the high quality promoters can use a 
special logo to put on their flyers...this is a way to advertise the site to 
people interested in submissions and also a way for promoters to tighten up 
their ships so they can use the logo...i hope my original intent was 
understood...


>From: Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.
>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 11:28:43 -0500
>
>you mean that "ca'ching" sound?
>
>eh, i think advertising parties on the site would be very
>"conflict-of-interest"y... but there's nothing wrong IMHO with showing ads
>for related items (rave gear, glowsticks (heh), other web sites, etc) or
>non-related but interesting things.
>
>i have a series of ad banners that i throw up on any site that i'm playing
>around with... for pretty neutral things like http://food.com (heh, its a
>little hard to be against food, or at least a litlte hard to stay alive
>keeping that position for long), or online banking or stuff like that.
>
>its an honest way to pay for yr time and ideas, even if it only comes 2
>cents at a time.
>
>-t
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: chad m spoonhaus
>Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.
>
>
>i don't like the sound of advertising.
>
>chad
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NO, no advertising, even for things just merely rave related. WAAAAYY too
many ppl who sell rave stuff are invested into the scene or will be. Just
stay away and avoid the topic all together. 

I got a better idea: have production companies pay a fee to be officially
"rated" and allowed to have the "good houskeeping seal of approval" on their
flyers... But, of course, they pay FIRST before they are reviewed. ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Sebion [mailto:tony@sebion.com]
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you mean that "ca'ching" sound?

eh, i think advertising parties on the site would be very
"conflict-of-interest"y... but there's nothing wrong IMHO with showing ads
for related items (rave gear, glowsticks (heh), other web sites, etc) or
non-related but interesting things.

i have a series of ad banners that i throw up on any site that i'm playing
around with... for pretty neutral things like http://food.com (heh, its a
little hard to be against food, or at least a litlte hard to stay alive
keeping that position for long), or online banking or stuff like that.

its an honest way to pay for yr time and ideas, even if it only comes 2
cents at a time.

-t

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: [mw] web site to rate production companies.


i don't like the sound of advertising.

chad

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I agree...i believe that is exactly what he meant.

--- "Topping, Micah (Mastech)"
<micah.topping-eds@eds.com> wrote:
> > eh, i think advertising parties on the site would
> be very
> > "conflict-of-interest"y... but there's nothing
> wrong IMHO 
> > with showing ads
> > for related items (rave gear, glowsticks (heh),
> other web 
> > sites, etc) or
> > non-related but interesting things.
> 
> i think what was implied was the use of ratings BY
> promoters for their own
> flyer use.
> much like "check my +86 positive feedback on ebay!",
> or movie ratings and
> things.
> the site would eventually become a reliable enough
> resource that the
> ratings(4 out of 5 glowsticks!)
> could be used for promoters on their flyers, so as
> to draw a larger crowd
> and brag about their
> reliability.
> 
> i think.
> 
> micah
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that's a valid point - it would be better to have any accepted ads be about
as far from ravey as possible, but then you hit grey areas... what if there
was an ad banner available for a site that gave out free disposiable
cameras?  i think i posted a url a while back for a site that was doing
exactly taht.  it has an obvious connection w/ the rave experience (oh god
please save me from talking like this) but at the same time its also pretty
clear that the company giving out the cameras could probably give a rat's
ass about raves on a corporate level.

hmmm.

just some thoughts,
-t 

-----Original Message-----
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NO, no advertising, even for things just merely rave related. WAAAAYY too
many ppl who sell rave stuff are invested into the scene or will be. Just
stay away and avoid the topic all together. 

I got a better idea: have production companies pay a fee to be officially
"rated" and allowed to have the "good houskeeping seal of approval" on their
flyers... But, of course, they pay FIRST before they are reviewed. ;)


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Subject: [mw] courtesy of ana

http://www.sayno.com/rave.html

Just in case you were wondering what a rave is.

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Is anyone familiar with slashdot.org?  they use an open-source moderation
system that would be pretty useful for something like this... 

Dat's all :)

-MikeY!

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, Trevor Lamont wrote:

> The ratings should not be a definative yes or no. 
> Circumstances should be taken into effect also.  For
> instance if a party is shut down because of an OD, a
> promoter should not be trashed for that.  If a DJ does
> not show a promoter does not automatically get trashed
> for that.  There are alot of circumstances behind no
> show D.J.'s and it isn't always a promoters fault.


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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< U know another thing I cannot understand: Liberals who want 
OPEN trade with China..Thats like a fish that hates water. 
 
 Rob >>

WTF?!...do you live in a bubble?

###I KNOW that we currently trade openly with China by many not so obvious
means. I know more about it than you probably EVER will. Its my job. What I
SAID was "Liberals who want OPEN trade with China".. The key here is "who
want". Liberals who are worth their salt should oppose all Chinese policy
100% until they fix their human rights policies. Actually, everyone should
oppose it, but, hardcore "Republicazis" do not because they see too many
$$$$ to be had. 

However, my parents are Republicans!...ala People's Republic of China
- Taiwan...where most of China's leaders fled to during the Communist
takeover...and most of China's royal bloodline ended up here in America
...see the Last Emperor...only to be mistaken as "gooks" and completely
mistreated due to that misconception...it was mostly chinese that built
that railroad system that stretched across the east coast to the west
coast...thereby indirectly also creating America's first corporate monopoly

### Yeah, well, they are going to do it again if we all don't oppose it.
BTW, I don't watch hollywood banter like "The Last Emperor" to supply me
with history. Its called a book.. Maybe you should read more of them?

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> What ever happened to starting small? Nuff said.
Ex-fucking-actly!!!
A little note on this, it seems like every new kid
turned promoter wants to be "King of the Rave" now or
something.
Take for instance two parties that happened here in
STL.
One, Visions, these kids had only thrown one rave
before, and then on their second party decided to
throw a large outdoor party where their break even
point was somewhere in the range of 2,000 people.  Now
I know these kids, and I offered to help them out at
the time, but they definitely bit off more than they
could chew, and that showed as soon as you got to the
event.
Another example is Arcana that happened not too long
ago.  Now the main person behind this is not
necisarilly new, he was a former Superstar (of Love
that is), and had decided to start his own separate
company.  The problem is he started with an outdoor
party with some huge headliners, and rumor is that he
would have needed around 4,000 people to break even
(although this is just what I've heard and is not 1st
hand knowledge).  I could tell that this party was
doomed from the begining when they told me I was
supposed to play from 11-12:30, then when I get their
at 8 people are telling me that I missed my set from
7-8.  I talk to the promoter and he babbles about UK
DJ's, fucked up flights, and a totally screwed up time
schedule.
People, you must start small and grow a good
reputation, and always keep your goals reachable.
Look at Kindred Groove who really were the ones to
revitalize the STL sceen by throwing very small
parties in a frat house basement of only around 100
people.  
Small usually = good, especially for a crew who is
just starting out.


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    Website for rating promoters? Bunch o' bullocks is all I gotta say... 

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Yes, but, what about a few months from now, when this company sees their
hits go through the roof from our site? Somewhat like a self-fulfilling
prophecy, soon the camera corp is going "Yeah, lets build a camera that is
this wacky color or has LEDS blinking in it or whatever". Then, what if they
decide to front a guy who is throwing raves? 

You see, the lines converge to the point of no return very quickly, before
anyone can even react or object.

Im not paranoid (although maybe I *should* be) but I have watched the
bouncing ball (money) bounce across words and ideas and people that I would
have never expected it to get to.

Its very difficult to remain a pristine monolith of purity forever esp. in
this scene, but we should at least start out with some very well defined
ideals that minimize the ability of outside forces to corrupt it. After all,
corruption is what we are rebelling against, right? 

*LOL*

Im sorry, its just funny to be doing the right thing and feeling like a
"rebel" at the same time.. I guess Rome really is burning! ;)

Rob


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that's a valid point - it would be better to have any accepted ads be about
as far from ravey as possible, but then you hit grey areas... what if there
was an ad banner available for a site that gave out free disposiable
cameras?  i think i posted a url a while back for a site that was doing
exactly taht.  it has an obvious connection w/ the rave experience (oh god
please save me from talking like this) but at the same time its also pretty
clear that the company giving out the cameras could probably give a rat's
ass about raves on a corporate level.

hmmm.

just some thoughts,
-t 

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NO, no advertising, even for things just merely rave related. WAAAAYY too
many ppl who sell rave stuff are invested into the scene or will be. Just
stay away and avoid the topic all together. 

I got a better idea: have production companies pay a fee to be officially
"rated" and allowed to have the "good houskeeping seal of approval" on their
flyers... But, of course, they pay FIRST before they are reviewed. ;)


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A - Fuckin' - Men   

Preach it brotha!!!!!!!!!
--- Jon Gotti <j_gotti_dnb@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > What ever happened to starting small? Nuff said.
> Ex-fucking-actly!!!
> A little note on this, it seems like every new kid
> turned promoter wants to be "King of the Rave" now
> or
> something.
> Take for instance two parties that happened here in
> STL.
> One, Visions, these kids had only thrown one rave
> before, and then on their second party decided to
> throw a large outdoor party where their break even
> point was somewhere in the range of 2,000 people. 
> Now
> I know these kids, and I offered to help them out at
> the time, but they definitely bit off more than they
> could chew, and that showed as soon as you got to
> the
> event.
> Another example is Arcana that happened not too long
> ago.  Now the main person behind this is not
> necisarilly new, he was a former Superstar (of Love
> that is), and had decided to start his own separate
> company.  The problem is he started with an outdoor
> party with some huge headliners, and rumor is that
> he
> would have needed around 4,000 people to break even
> (although this is just what I've heard and is not
> 1st
> hand knowledge).  I could tell that this party was
> doomed from the begining when they told me I was
> supposed to play from 11-12:30, then when I get
> their
> at 8 people are telling me that I missed my set from
> 7-8.  I talk to the promoter and he babbles about UK
> DJ's, fucked up flights, and a totally screwed up
> time
> schedule.
> People, you must start small and grow a good
> reputation, and always keep your goals reachable.
> Look at Kindred Groove who really were the ones to
> revitalize the STL sceen by throwing very small
> parties in a frat house basement of only around 100
> people.  
> Small usually = good, especially for a crew who is
> just starting out.
> 
> 
> =====
> Being a DJ is so cool!  It's fun watching everyone
> dance to my mix - Super Rockstar DJ Blain of tha
> Generation Girl Crew
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from
> anywhere!
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> 
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"Music plays an important role and was responsible for bringing the drug
Ecstasy (MDMA) into the club scene."

Bwhahahahaha!


-MikeY!

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, atomly wrote:

> http://www.sayno.com/rave.html
> 
> Just in case you were wondering what a rave is.


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Okay..so let's do this. Obviously this is more than
just a midwestern thing, although midwest would be a
good way to start. I can go ahead and create a mailing
list (say raveintegrity@egroups.com) that we can use
ot discuss the website, its content and layout. Then
we can all e-mail the lists that we're on and invite
people to join the discussion. Or we can join the list
ourselves, get the frame work done and THEN invite
more people.

I am tired of discussion =)
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sounds like a plan


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> just a midwestern thing, although midwest would be a
> good way to start. I can go ahead and create a
> mailing
> list (say raveintegrity@egroups.com) that we can use
> ot discuss the website, its content and layout. Then
> we can all e-mail the lists that we're on and invite
> people to join the discussion. Or we can join the
> list
> ourselves, get the frame work done and THEN invite
> more people.
> 
> I am tired of discussion =)
> Misha
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hey,

so is efnet just royally fucked today or what?  I came back from lunch and i 
was able to connect to mcs.net but it was in split mode so i looked for 
another server and none of them are responding!  and now mcs.net isn't 
either.  anyone know what's going on?

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|| I would like to note that Ted listed these people in alphabetical order and therefore in
accordance ||with AP style.

 Yet they still turned down my article!

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that took you 10 minutes?

-t

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|| I would like to note that Ted listed these people in alphabetical order
and therefore in
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 Yet they still turned down my article!

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its not realistic to think that production companies would pay to use a logo
on a flyer considering they don't pay to use the copyrighted symbols they
already use (pokemon and the matrix are just two examples i think can think
of off the top of my head).  also, i dont think we *want* their money...at
least i don't.

on the other stuff, tho, you've again got a great point... altho i work with
a lot of these companies, and you'd be suprised at how little effort they
put into monitoring who/where their hits come from.

i can't give you evidence on this 'cuz i'd have to plead the 5th, but the
companies that are paying out for ad revenue don't really care one way or
the other about you unless you're registering hundreds of millions of hits a
month.  they write checks for several thousand dollars like they were using
a vending machine to buy a snack.  Most of the ones I work with pay per
display, rather than pay per click through or pay per purchase - so i could
care less whether anyone looked at the ad or not.  IMHO, its a shame to skip
out on that revenue that some foolish company is willing just to give away.
I think running the web site publicly (that's the intent, right? no "secret"
agenda?") will do its own part to make sure that it isn't co-opted by rave
related corporate interests.  hell, just make sure its profane enough and no
one will touch it!  personally, i think they know that they don't get that
many clicks and are just paying to enhance brand recognition.  that's fine.
i pretty much believe that most of the companies that i show ad banners for
will eventually go under due to lack of capital because their business model
sucks.  i get emails all the time telling me to "replace the banners, we're
done".  out goes an old .com, in comes three more.  might as well make their
investment pay off for me/you/us and at least get them to support
interesting content rather than more sites run by corporate monoliths.  DIY,
baby!

another concern we should have is that if this does turn out to be
substantially big, co-location or bandwidth charges are going to force
something like this later down the road, IMHO.

-t

-----Original Message-----
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Yes, but, what about a few months from now, when this company sees their
hits go through the roof from our site? Somewhat like a self-fulfilling
prophecy, soon the camera corp is going "Yeah, lets build a camera that is
this wacky color or has LEDS blinking in it or whatever". Then, what if they
decide to front a guy who is throwing raves? 

You see, the lines converge to the point of no return very quickly, before
anyone can even react or object.

Im not paranoid (although maybe I *should* be) but I have watched the
bouncing ball (money) bounce across words and ideas and people that I would
have never expected it to get to.

Its very difficult to remain a pristine monolith of purity forever esp. in
this scene, but we should at least start out with some very well defined
ideals that minimize the ability of outside forces to corrupt it. After all,
corruption is what we are rebelling against, right? 

*LOL*

Im sorry, its just funny to be doing the right thing and feeling like a
"rebel" at the same time.. I guess Rome really is burning! ;)

Rob


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that's a valid point - it would be better to have any accepted ads be about
as far from ravey as possible, but then you hit grey areas... what if there
was an ad banner available for a site that gave out free disposiable
cameras?  i think i posted a url a while back for a site that was doing
exactly taht.  it has an obvious connection w/ the rave experience (oh god
please save me from talking like this) but at the same time its also pretty
clear that the company giving out the cameras could probably give a rat's
ass about raves on a corporate level.

hmmm.

just some thoughts,
-t 

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NO, no advertising, even for things just merely rave related. WAAAAYY too
many ppl who sell rave stuff are invested into the scene or will be. Just
stay away and avoid the topic all together. 

I got a better idea: have production companies pay a fee to be officially
"rated" and allowed to have the "good houskeeping seal of approval" on their
flyers... But, of course, they pay FIRST before they are reviewed. ;)


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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< BTW, I don't watch hollywood banter like "The Last Emperor" to supply me
 with history. Its called a book.. Maybe you should read more of them?
 
 Rob >>

Why would I need to read the book, when my family lived it?...
We wrote the book!!

And what, no comments about the military involvement with the
drug trade?!...Hell one of the biggest bust on the east coast
was the wife of an Army Lieutenant, who was smuggling hundreds
of pounds from Central America through military cargo...And he
claimed he didn't know of any of his wife's actions?!...Yeah, right!!
...Can you say another friggin Ollie North!!

The greatest tragedy of the War on Drugs, are the poor who are
incarcerated because they couldn't get a job and were forced to
deal drugs, while the true shade get away with it and get to keep
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>### Yeah, well, they are going to do it again if we all don't oppose it.
>BTW, I don't watch hollywood banter like "The Last Emperor" to supply me
>with history. Its called a book.. Maybe you should read more of them?

Stevie gets all the truth and history he'll ever need from the "good book."

that and AOL news, of course.

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Okay I started a list on egroups. To subscribe, I
believe you can either do it on www.egroups.com or
e-mail subscribe-raveintegrity@egroups.com.

Let me know if this doesn't work =)

Thanks!
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-----Original Message-----
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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< BTW, I don't watch hollywood banter like "The Last Emperor" to supply me
 with history. Its called a book.. Maybe you should read more of them?
 
 Rob >>

Why would I need to read the book, when my family lived it?...
We wrote the book!!

#### Sure you did..So show it to me.

And what, no comments about the military involvement with the
drug trade?!...Hell one of the biggest bust on the east coast
was the wife of an Army Lieutenant, who was smuggling hundreds
of pounds from Central America through military cargo...And he
claimed he didn't know of any of his wife's actions?!...Yeah, right!!
...Can you say another friggin Ollie North!!

#### What about it? I know. SO WHAT? I went to one of the schools that was
most infamous for the trafficking done during the 60s. Does the Presidio
ring a bell to you? Naval Postgraduate School? Both have been implicated in
trafficking over the years. I went there. I think I figured it out. Maybe
someone with less observations skills such as yourself might not have
figured that out. As for culpability, lets see how long you last in such a
position in South America. You ever been to South America? Do you know
anything first hand about what goes on there? I thought not. The cartels
have killed more ppl they have tried to recruit than they have recruited.
You do NOT turn them down. 

The greatest tragedy of the War on Drugs, are the poor who are
incarcerated because they couldn't get a job and were forced to
deal drugs, while the true shade get away with it and get to keep
all the money!!

#### LOLOLOL!!! You oversimplify everything to fit your mentality. The
greatest tragedy is that you aren't willing to do what it takes to get a job
and yet you continue to consume oxygen. The real problem is that you do not
have the discipline, the stamina, the wherewithall, or the intelligence to
put your psycho-political banter to the side and shut your mouth long enough
to learn anything meaningful and not annoy anyone long enough to get a job.
I'm going back to work on some calculus. Its preferable to conversing with
you. At least calculus has solutions. Unfortunately you are a infinitely
regenerating problem.

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LOL - i love stevie t as the topic.

if this even cools down and peopel stop writing stuff that i have to add to
it, i'll be able to finish the stevie t FAQ.

maybe we can nominate stevie t to be on the next "survivor"...i'd f*cking
watch that!  plus, no stevie t emails from a remote island.

-t

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The
greatest tragedy is that you aren't willing to do what it takes to get a job
and yet you continue to consume oxygen. 

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BrzykcyR@tce.com writes:

<< #### What about it? I know. SO WHAT? I went to one of the schools that was
 most infamous for the trafficking done during the 60s. Does the Presidio
 ring a bell to you? Naval Postgraduate School? Both have been implicated in
 trafficking over the years. I went there. I think I figured it out. Maybe
 someone with less observations skills such as yourself might not have
 figured that out. As for culpability, lets see how long you last in such a
 position in South America. You ever been to South America? Do you know
 anything first hand about what goes on there? I thought not. The cartels
 have killed more ppl they have tried to recruit than they have recruited.
 You do NOT turn them down. >>

LOL, "you wanna know the truth, you can't handle the truth!!"...Finally 
THE TRUTH comes out!!...ding! ding! ding!...we have a winner!!...
i rest my case!!
 
<<LOLOLOL!!! You oversimplify everything to fit your mentality. The
 greatest tragedy is that you aren't willing to do what it takes to get a job
 and yet you continue to consume oxygen. The real problem is that you do not
 have the discipline, the stamina, the wherewithall, or the intelligence to
 put your psycho-political banter to the side and shut your mouth long enough
 to learn anything meaningful and not annoy anyone long enough to get a job.
 I'm going back to work on some calculus. Its preferable to conversing with
 you. At least calculus has solutions. Unfortunately you are a infinitely
 regenerating problem. >>

no, the truth is, my revealing of THE TRUTH, has cost me my career
that was obviously destroyed by oppressive assholes like you!!...get
your shadey ass outta here!!...and good riddance!!...the devil needs 
more fools like you who are willing to sell their souls so easily for his
silly war games!!

ironic, i was the only one who ever beat one of my fraternity brothers 
at pool who was ranked 13th after competing in a national math 
contest...he was bumped up to 12th position when the #5 guy blew 
himself up while trying to create a pipe bomb, quite unfortunate since 
he was the son of an ambassador...

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ok, its facts like this that are making the FAQ so damn hard to finish...

##############################
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ironic, i was the only one who ever beat one of my fraternity brothers 
at pool who was ranked 13th after competing in a national math 
contest...he was bumped up to 12th position when the #5 guy blew 
himself up while trying to create a pipe bomb, quite unfortunate since 
he was the son of an ambassador...

###############################

frankly, its these facts that i find most interesting about stevie t, and
trying to understand why the fact that he beat someone playing pool who was
ranked nationally in a math competition has pretty much anything to do with
anything rave-related.

if anyone else has good facts like this re: stevie t, even vague references
to them, plz send them to me.

thanks,
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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>ironic, i was the only one who ever beat one of my fraternity brothers
>at pool who was ranked 13th after competing in a national math
>contest...he was bumped up to 12th position when the #5 guy blew
>himself up while trying to create a pipe bomb, quite unfortunate since
>he was the son of an ambassador...
>

That's got to be the funniest thing I've heard all day.  Maybe all week.

Have you looked into anti-psychotics?  Drugs are good for some people.


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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< frankly, its these facts that i find most interesting about stevie t, and
 trying to understand why the fact that he beat someone playing pool who was
 ranked nationally in a math competition has pretty much anything to do with
 anything rave-related. >>

Lol, maybe it will when you go meet your maker after blowing 
yourself up synthesizing that next batch of crack cocaine since
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>-----Original Message-----
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>
>ironic, i was the only one who ever beat one of my fraternity brothers
>at pool who was ranked 13th after competing in a national math
>contest...he was bumped up to 12th position when the #5 guy blew
>himself up while trying to create a pipe bomb, quite unfortunate since
>he was the son of an ambassador...
>

That's got to be the funniest thing I've heard all day.  Maybe all week.

Have you looked into anti-psychotics?  Drugs are good for some people.


-Ana-

#### Its only a matter of time now. Like a motor pinging before the engine
blows, such is the rambling of Stevie t's mind.

;)

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LOLOLOL!!!!!
Rob

OMG this is funny!


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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< frankly, its these facts that i find most interesting about stevie t, and
 trying to understand why the fact that he beat someone playing pool who was
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 anything rave-related. >>

Lol, maybe it will when you go meet your maker after blowing 
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nah stevie, i'm stayin' off the rock 'cuz i gotta stick around here and be a
thorn in your side!

YOU'VE GIVEN ME A REASON TO LIVE!!!!!!!! muahahahahahha :)

poke poke poke,
-t

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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< frankly, its these facts that i find most interesting about stevie t, and
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 ranked nationally in a math competition has pretty much anything to do with
 anything rave-related. >>

Lol, maybe it will when you go meet your maker after blowing 
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>#### Its only a matter of time now. Like a motor pinging before the engine
>blows, such is the rambling of Stevie t's mind.
>
>;)
>
>rob

LOL

My coworkers are giving me funny looks.  Between this and that sex article, 
I can't stop laughing.  Too fun for a Monday...

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i forward the "good" stevie t emails around to other people here where i
work.  when they hear me bust out laughing they expect a forward within a
few minutes or they're disappointed.

-t

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My coworkers are giving me funny looks.  Between this and that sex article, 
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>##############################
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Theelight316@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [mw] Mark of the Beast
>
>ironic, i was the only one who ever beat one of my fraternity brothers
>at pool who was ranked 13th after competing in a national math
>contest...he was bumped up to 12th position when the #5 guy blew
>himself up while trying to create a pipe bomb, quite unfortunate since
>he was the son of an ambassador...
>
>###############################
>
>frankly, its these facts that i find most interesting about stevie t, and
>trying to understand why the fact that he beat someone playing pool who was
>ranked nationally in a math competition has pretty much anything to do with
>anything rave-related.

duh tony, it's because it's IRONIC.

don't you see the irony of that as it relates to drug trafficking and not 
being able to get a job?

its like you'd THINK that being able to beat an imaginary top-ranked pool 
player would GUARANTEE that you'd be gainfully employed, but the sweet irony 
of it all is that because of drug traffickers keeping the poor in jail, and 
a vast global conspiracy all aimed at keeping one man down, poor stevie 
can't get a job!

the truly ironic thing is that I have a job working for the conspiracy, and 
I didn't even go to an unnamed ivy league college, nor was i part of an 
unnamed fraternity, and I can't play pool for shit!  how does that work?!

chris
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ana_widstrom@hotmail.com writes:

<< Have you looked into anti-psychotics?  Drugs are good for some people.
 
 
 -Ana- >>

no, but are you the girl they rejected from that psycho bitch
movie "Girl Interrupted"?

cuz if you are, i think they might take you for the new "this is
your kid, this is your kid on crack" ad!!

or are you this kid...

 Jamez909:   you're a fuckin idiot..u are not the messiah..give it up 
 Theelight316:   takes one to know one, thats why u know em all!!! 
 Theelight316:   bahahahaha!! 
 Jamez909:   that's a good come back 
 Jamez909:   nothing u say has any point to the list..so just give it up 
 Theelight316:   what am i supposed to give up, my booger collection? 
 Theelight316:   <flicking boogers at you> 
 Jamez909:   you're a weird one 
 Theelight316:   there you go!!...you got my boogers!!...are you happy now?! 
 Jamez909:   for the messiah you are pretty hateful 
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oh yeah, ironic.  like rain on your wedding day.  a won pool game against
someone who was lower ranked than someone else in a math contest who blew
thememselves up making a pipe bomb.  pink eye when you're the messiah.  car
troubles when you do so much good for the scene.  so much irony.

one time i lost a game of pool in a gay bar in beloit to a guy that looked
like the guy in texas chainsaw massacre who cuts his own hand in the van
when he gets picked up hitchhiking.  i should just quit my job so he can
have it, i guess.  i wonder what his number is, or if his trailer even has a
phone.

oh yeah, and http://home.flash.net/~twinkle/psycho/DARK/links/stoopid.htm

-t

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>##############################
>-----Original Message-----
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>
>frankly, its these facts that i find most interesting about stevie t, and
>trying to understand why the fact that he beat someone playing pool who was
>ranked nationally in a math competition has pretty much anything to do with
>anything rave-related.

duh tony, it's because it's IRONIC.

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ya..but your dad got the job for you...DIDN'T HE!!

pfft....LOL.....and other such sentiments 

Messiah de Pariah

> 
> the truly ironic thing is that I have a job working for the 
> conspiracy, and 
> I didn't even go to an unnamed ivy league college, nor was i part of 
> an 
> unnamed fraternity, and I can't play pool for shit!  how does that 
> work?!
> 
> chris


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>no, but are you the girl they rejected from that psycho bitch
>movie "Girl Interrupted"?
>

Yes, yes that's me.  You caught me.  I was trying to keep it a secret but... 
I've been found out.

>cuz if you are, i think they might take you for the new "this is
>your kid, this is your kid on crack" ad!!

Cool.  Sounds like my type of thing... After all, big crack addict here. 
That's why I have a JOB, and FRIENDS, and I don't make an ass out of myself 
day in and day out... Hmm... that sounds familiar, doesn't it?  You should 
start smoking crack... Does a person a lot of good.  Oh wait, you already do 
that, don't you?


(Argh, sorry, it was too tempting.)

-A-

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omegavariant@juno.com writes:

<< ya..but your dad got the job for you...DIDN'T HE!!
 
 pfft....LOL.....and other such sentiments >>

are you kidding, where do you think he got that crack recipe
from!!

and don't bother asking him about it!!...it's a family secret
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<<  After all, big crack addict here. 
 That's why I have a JOB, and FRIENDS, and I don't make an ass out of myself 
 day in and day out... Hmm... that sounds familiar, doesn't it?  You should 
 start smoking crack... Does a person a lot of good >>

i would hardly call being the test subject of crack on psychotics
a very good job!!

and i would hardly call the monkey and rats they also test on at
the lab your friends!!

bahahahaha!!

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> <<  After all, big crack addict here.
>  That's why I have a JOB, and FRIENDS, and I don't make an ass out of
myself
>  day in and day out... Hmm... that sounds familiar, doesn't it?  You
should
>  start smoking crack... Does a person a lot of good >>
>
> i would hardly call being the test subject of crack on psychotics
> a very good job!!

    Stevie finally recognizes he's a psychotic. That's good stevie, first
step of recovery is recognizing you have a problem.

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<< Its only a matter of time now. Like a motor pinging before the engine
 blows, such is the rambling of Stevie t's mind.
 
 ;)
 
 rob >>

whatsamatta, those math books can get it up for you no more?!

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>i would hardly call being the test subject of crack on psychotics
>a very good job!!
>

Hey, it pays well.  Don't knock it till you've tried it.

>and i would hardly call the monkey and rats they also test on at
>the lab your friends!!


Man... They truly UNDERSTAND... They feel the vibe, dude, it's like they can 
like, see inside my head or something, man.  It's crazy weird.

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murph@mr.net writes:

<< That's good stevie, first
 step of recovery is recognizing you have a problem.
 
 Matt Murphy
 sound.light.motion
 murph@mr.net >>

i recognize you are peter murphy's bizarre love child with
peter peter the pumpkin eater!!

lol, matt likes big gourds he can not lie...cuz daddy used to
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Subject: Re: [mw] Mark of the Beast, how?

can I become a messiah?

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Subject: [mw] FEDS TAKE NOTICE: STEVEN Y. TSANG IS A DRUG DEALER


so, some of you might not have noticed, but stevie has practically admitted 
that he's guilty of selling illegal drugs!

Notice that in the same day he's posted about how he's poor and doesn't have 
a job... and also posted that there's a government conspiracy to put the 
poor and jobless in jail by forcing them to sell drugs!

Now, seeing how he's poor and jobless, yet somehow manages to pay his 
monthly AOL bill, he must have some sort of income!

Now, we all know that the messiah speaks only the truth.  So he wouldn't lie 
to us all about the fact that he's selling drugs, would he?

all you federal agents monitoring this mailing list might want to check up 
on him.

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ana_widstrom@hotmail.com writes:

<< Hey, it pays well.  Don't knock it till you've tried it.>>

um, yeah...all the free crack you can smoke and benefits
include total coverage of your funeral bills after you croak!
 
<<Man... They truly UNDERSTAND... They feel the vibe, dude, 
it's like they can  like, see inside my head or something, man.  
It's crazy weird. >>

um, that feelling inside your head is the scapel they've been using
to scrape out brain material in your head so they analyze the effects 
of the crack on your brain...and what you think is your animal buddies
communicating with you, is actually them squealing in pain from having 
their brains scraped too!!

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Subject: Re: [mw] FEDS TAKE NOTICE: CHRIS EGE IS A CRACK BABY

In a message dated 8/28/00 3:03:16 PM EST, chrisege@hotmail.com writes:

<< Now, seeing how he's poor and jobless, yet somehow manages to pay his 
 monthly AOL bill, he must have some sort of income!>>

it's called a credit card, you nit wit!!
 
<<all you federal agents monitoring this mailing list might want to check up 
 on him. >>

hyeah, i would definitly check up on this crack baby, chris ege!!

you definitly would wanna put his kinda away before his crack
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 <<all you federal agents monitoring this mailing list might want to check up 
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F*cking narcs.

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Ooh, ooh, I wanna bait steviet too!  Um...uh...you suck!
How's that, guys?  Guys?


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> you definitly would wanna put his kinda away before his crack
> induced psycho babble starts effecting the decent people!!

    Ahh yes, chris ege, certainly a threat to society. ok stevie, so who are
these decent people? Have you met any? Care to introduce them?

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>From: "astrl vapor" <astrlvapor@hotmail.com>
>can I become a messiah?
>
>:P
>

I don't know how you can become a messiah, but I have my own cult. Maybe we 
can work something out....

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bass kitten wrote:

> >From: "astrl vapor" <astrlvapor@hotmail.com>
> >can I become a messiah?
> >
> >:P
> >
>
> I don't know how you can become a messiah, but I have my own cult. Maybe we
> can work something out....

I remember years ago on the net there was this web page called the
"cultism site."  It's not still up, or I can't find it.  It was this web site
where
people posted *reviews* of cults.  Hilarious.  They rated them on stuff
like get laid potential, suicide potential, wierdness level, how much fun
they were, whether you could make money in them, etc.

Going around and joining wierd groups and writing them would be an
interesting hobby... kinda like Hunter S. Thompson without drugs.



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Shit, you know someone's gonna OD on a combination of 'e', ghb, and some 
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Subject: [mw] even further 

Is anyone from the Cincy or Indy areas going to Even Further and staying 
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I am going up to Wisconsin with my girl and some friends from Chicago, but 
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I don't want to fly, or take a bus all the way from Chicago.

If someone can help get me to Indy or even Cincinnati, I will pitch in some 
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Please let me know!

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Oh?  Do tell... 

<this would make it a two-liner>

-MikeY!

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000, bass kitten wrote:

> >From: "astrl vapor" <astrlvapor@hotmail.com>
> >can I become a messiah?
> >
> >:P
> >
> 
> I don't know how you can become a messiah, but I have my own cult. Maybe we 
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> -kitten
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Subject: [mw] react playlist as of aug/sept

Here's a list of old and new stuff that i've been playing lately...

If you dig techno then check these out if you havent already.

Mike Wade - Dirty Planet - Archetype White Label
Christian Smith & Strike - Highrider *Adam Beyer Mix* - Platform
Rino Cerrone - Basic Drum E.P. - Speaker Attack
James Ruskin - Definition of EP - Coda
Cari Lekebusch - Hybrid 1205
The Advent - Past Forward - Conform
Patrik Skoog - Outage E.P. - Global Trax
Joel Mull - Imagination - Inside
Shawn Rudiman - Secrets - X Trax
Valentino Karizyani & Umek - Earresistable - Recycled Loops 002
Richard Harvey - User 07B - User
Richard Harvey - User 006A - User
G Flame - Watch It E.P. - Alpha 002
G Flame & Mr. G - Tenacity E.P. -
G Flame & Mr. G - 11:11, 11/8/99 E.P. - Pheonix G
Halycondaze (G Flame) - Halcyon Limited Press
Surgeon - Basictonal Remake - Tresor
Surgeon - Force and Form Remake 2 - Tresor
Surgeon - La Real - Counter Balance
Marco Carola - Fragile E.P. - Zenit
Carola & Beyer - Fusion Frame - Zenit
Adam Beyer - Lost & Found - Conform
The Advent - Hesistate E.P. - Kombination Research
Adam Beyer - Remainings III - Drum Code
The Advent - Sound Sketches - Tresor
Gaetano Parisio - 1999 - Drum Code
Gaetano Parisio - Bendigo E.P. - Conform
V/A - Standown (J. Ruskin/Advent/Ben Simms/Carola mxs) Code Red 10
Audio 07a - Chril Leibing mix
Joel Mull - The mole doubled up with the remixes - Primevil


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>hey,
>
>so is efnet just royally fucked today or what?  I came back from lunch and
i
>was able to connect to mcs.net but it was in split mode so i looked for
>another server and none of them are responding!  and now mcs.net isn't
>either.  anyone know what's going on?


fuckin junkie

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From mw-raves-return-6376-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 29 06:06:00 2000
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Subject: [mw] For All Your Raving Needs

  http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=413925859

hahahahahahahahaha
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Subject: [mw]  [indybassnet] booty call (fwd)

THIS RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Lor







On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, aaron KEIP wrote:

> APPLICATION PRE-BOOTY CALL AGREEMENT
> 
> This pre-booty  call agreement, hereinafter called the
> AGREEMENT, is made between
> ______________________________ And
> _____________________________, two consenting adults.
> This AGREEMENT, is entered into this ______________
> Day of ___________,2000. The following conditions
> shall apply to both parties unless otherwise agreed to
> by both parties:
> 
> 1.  No sleeping over.
> 2.  No meeting in public.
> 3.  No calls before 12:00 am.
> 4.  None of that "lovemaking" shit.
> 5.  No emotional discussions. (Example: Where are we
> headed with this?  You know where it's headed - to the
> bedroom only!)
> 6.  No plans made in advance...that's why you're
> called the backup!
> 7.  No non-sexual gifts.
> 8.  No baby talk (dirty talk is encouraged).
> 9.  No calling for chit-chat between booty calls.
> 10. No asking for comparisons with former lovers (in
> fact, no conversation is better!).
> 11. No kissing too intimately.
> 12. No calling each other "friends with benefits." (We
> are not friends and we won't be.)
> 13. Calling out the wrong name during sex is OK.
> (Phrases such as "Honestly, I was thinking about Jada
> Pinkett/Eric Benet" are
> completely acceptable.)
> 14. No extra clothing. (I don't want your ass leaving
> anything behind that might identify you.)
> 15. No guilt about falling asleep right after sex.
> 16. No getting offended if you are not asked if you
> enjoyed it (I
> don't care)...and don't ask me! I'll get mine and you
> worry about yours, we start  at the same time.
> 17. I will not walk you to the door/car for any
> reason.
> 18. If anyone asks who you are, the standard response
> will be "An associate from work."
> 19. We hook up absolutely whenever the mood strikes
> for both of us.
> 20. This agreement is strictly confidential between
> the two consenting adults, no discussions about it.
> 
> I agree to the aforementioned terms. Both consenting
> adults must agree upon  any alterations or amendments.
> If any party attempts to change
> or alter any  terms of this AGREEMENT without mutual
> consent, this AGREEMENT
> will automatically become null and void with no
> obligations due either
> party.
> >
> >____________________________________ Signature / Date
> >
> >____________________________________ Signature / Date
> 

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<mindless chatter about my life>

My car got totaled yesterday...  On my way to work, someone slams on their
breaks in front of me, so I slam on mine, avoiding them, and then *BANG*
some stupid bitch rear-ended me with a big fucking minivan (I have a lil
escort).  Needless to say, I'm a bit sore today...

Now, the beauty of all this is that I've ended up with a nice rental car,
(a 2000 Focus) although it's an automatic unfortunatly :(

But anyrate, now that I have a nice car to do it with, and... well... I
finally decided, I'm going to go to further.  Seeing as I've met very few
of you, I'd love to get a chance to put some faces to all these names.  Is
there going to be an mw-raves tent or something of the sort?  We need to
get that plurry netraver vibe shit going on :P

Umm... I guess that's it... 

</chatter>

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Subject: [mw] VRR: bears


who knew that there were raves in the wild kingdom?

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From mw-raves-return-6380-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 29 14:59:45 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] VRR: bears

Chris so eloquently said:

>who knew that there were raves in the wild kingdom?
>
>http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20000829/capt.western_fires_smoke_ete.jpg

Hahahahaha.

Like, ohmygod, I'm rolling so hard right now.
-Ana-

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From mw-raves-return-6381-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 29 15:12:27 2000
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BTW, ne1 know how to get around the firewall at work and use IRc? Not like
*I* would ever do such a thing, just a thought.  ;)

Rob

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>hey,
>
>so is efnet just royally fucked today or what?  I came back from lunch and
i
>was able to connect to mcs.net but it was in split mode so i looked for
>another server and none of them are responding!  and now mcs.net isn't
>either.  anyone know what's going on?




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From mw-raves-return-6382-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 29 15:40:46 2000
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yeah id like to know how to do this too

-THE bitch iySyS-

>From: Brzykcy Robert <BrzykcyR@tce.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:11:53 -0500
>
>
>BTW, ne1 know how to get around the firewall at work and use IRc? Not like
>*I* would ever do such a thing, just a thought.  ;)
>
>Rob
>
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>
>
> >hey,
> >
> >so is efnet just royally fucked today or what?  I came back from lunch 
>and
>i
> >was able to connect to mcs.net but it was in split mode so i looked for
> >another server and none of them are responding!  and now mcs.net isn't
> >either.  anyone know what's going on?
>
>
>
>
>ricA
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From mw-raves-return-6383-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 29 15:44:44 2000
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>>
>>BTW, ne1 know how to get around the firewall at work and use IRc? Not like
>>*I* would ever do such a thing, just a thought.  ;)
>>


Heh, or ICQ... Damn firewalls.


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From mw-raves-return-6384-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 29 15:57:51 2000
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Well, i know instant mess can be used cuz AFAIK it uses http protocol, which
isnt usually blocked.

Other than that, I have no idea.. I have tried every trick I know to get
around it.

Rob


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>>
>>BTW, ne1 know how to get around the firewall at work and use IRc? Not like
>>*I* would ever do such a thing, just a thought.  ;)
>>


Heh, or ICQ... Damn firewalls.


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I don't know if the IRC settings would work the same
way or not but when I set up my IM on my work system,
I just went to my Netscape and Explorer settings and
got the proxie info and such from there.  I pasted it
into the IM settings and it has worked fine ever
since.

--- - iySyS - <baronessk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> yeah id like to know how to do this too
> 
> -THE bitch iySyS-
> 
> >From: Brzykcy Robert <BrzykcyR@tce.com>
> >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: RE: [mw] efnet and firewalls
> >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:11:53 -0500
> >
> >
> >BTW, ne1 know how to get around the firewall at
> work and use IRc? Not like
> >*I* would ever do such a thing, just a thought.  ;)
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ricA [mailto:ricasha@netzero.net]
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:34 AM
> >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: Re: [mw] efnet
> >
> >
> > >hey,
> > >
> > >so is efnet just royally fucked today or what?  I
> came back from lunch 
> >and
> >i
> > >was able to connect to mcs.net but it was in
> split mode so i looked for
> > >another server and none of them are responding! 
> and now mcs.net isn't
> > >either.  anyone know what's going on?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >ricA
> >
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Anyone is welcome to seek me out, I will be wearing a
plethera of hawaiian shirts and a straw hat, my tent
will be surounded by tiki torches, and if thats not
enough I will probably be somewhere around camp half
bitch which will probably somewhere near the massive
tent.
please come and say hi....and bring your fly swatter.
You never know when those bats will apear.

--- Mike Hunter <mhunter@knox.net> wrote:
> 
> <mindless chatter about my life>
> 
> My car got totaled yesterday...  On my way to work,
> someone slams on their
> breaks in front of me, so I slam on mine, avoiding
> them, and then *BANG*
> some stupid bitch rear-ended me with a big fucking
> minivan (I have a lil
> escort).  Needless to say, I'm a bit sore today...
> 
> Now, the beauty of all this is that I've ended up
> with a nice rental car,
> (a 2000 Focus) although it's an automatic
> unfortunatly :(
> 
> But anyrate, now that I have a nice car to do it
> with, and... well... I
> finally decided, I'm going to go to further.  Seeing
> as I've met very few
> of you, I'd love to get a chance to put some faces
> to all these names.  Is
> there going to be an mw-raves tent or something of
> the sort?  We need to
> get that plurry netraver vibe shit going on :P
> 
> Umm... I guess that's it... 
> 
> </chatter>
> 
> -MikeY!
> 
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Yeah, I tried that too.. I even pinged for other proxy servers that might
not have such a restrictive firewall.

IM is easy to get working but the IRc is pretty rough.

Thanks anyway!

Rob

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Subject: RE: [mw] efnet and firewalls


I don't know if the IRC settings would work the same
way or not but when I set up my IM on my work system,
I just went to my Netscape and Explorer settings and
got the proxie info and such from there.  I pasted it
into the IM settings and it has worked fine ever
since.

--- - iySyS - <baronessk@hotmail.com> wrote:
> yeah id like to know how to do this too
> 
> -THE bitch iySyS-
> 
> >From: Brzykcy Robert <BrzykcyR@tce.com>
> >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: RE: [mw] efnet and firewalls
> >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:11:53 -0500
> >
> >
> >BTW, ne1 know how to get around the firewall at
> work and use IRc? Not like
> >*I* would ever do such a thing, just a thought.  ;)
> >
> >Rob
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ricA [mailto:ricasha@netzero.net]
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:34 AM
> >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: Re: [mw] efnet
> >
> >
> > >hey,
> > >
> > >so is efnet just royally fucked today or what?  I
> came back from lunch 
> >and
> >i
> > >was able to connect to mcs.net but it was in
> split mode so i looked for
> > >another server and none of them are responding! 
> and now mcs.net isn't
> > >either.  anyone know what's going on?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >ricA
> >
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find the alchoholics...you have found a majority of the mw-netravers

dylan


>From: Mike Hunter <mhunter@knox.net>
>To: MidWest Raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: [mw] SRR: Whiplash and Further
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:33:13 -0400 (EDT)
>
>
><mindless chatter about my life>
>
>My car got totaled yesterday...  On my way to work, someone slams on their
>breaks in front of me, so I slam on mine, avoiding them, and then *BANG*
>some stupid bitch rear-ended me with a big fucking minivan (I have a lil
>escort).  Needless to say, I'm a bit sore today...
>
>Now, the beauty of all this is that I've ended up with a nice rental car,
>(a 2000 Focus) although it's an automatic unfortunatly :(
>
>But anyrate, now that I have a nice car to do it with, and... well... I
>finally decided, I'm going to go to further.  Seeing as I've met very few
>of you, I'd love to get a chance to put some faces to all these names.  Is
>there going to be an mw-raves tent or something of the sort?  We need to
>get that plurry netraver vibe shit going on :P
>
>Umm... I guess that's it...
>
></chatter>
>
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>
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>Yeah, I tried that too.. I even pinged for other proxy servers that might
>not have such a restrictive firewall.
>
>IM is easy to get working but the IRc is pretty rough.


Yeah, speaking of which, I got AIM working... Thanks for helping me out 
there.  Unfortunately, AIM is kind of inconvenient for work... Does anyone 
know of a way to configure ICQ?

IRC is going to be a tough one... Um, all I can do is wish you good luck 
=)... And let me know if you figure it out...


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From mw-raves-return-6390-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 29 17:38:50 2000
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Oh, also... I will have 2 seats open to any non-shady,
gas-money-contributing ravers coming from columbus... email me off-list if
you're in need... :)

-MikeY!

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, dylan dorrell wrote:

> find the alchoholics...you have found a majority of the mw-netravers
> 
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mom:

can you please post a checklist of items we will need for furthur?

thanks.

-jonathan

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From mw-raves-return-6392-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 29 18:23:55 2000
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i'm not mom *cough*jen*cough* but here goes

SUNBLOCK
plenty of water
food (duh)
stove if you have it
tent
sleeping bag
air mattress if ya got one
candles/tiki torches
flashlight
radio
waterguns
bug spray
camera 
film
extra clothes (it probably will rain)
warm clothes (it might get cold at night)
towel if you want to shower
tarp
lawn chairs
pillow

* * *

that's all i can think of off hte top of my head.
i do have a running list of stuff to bring but it's at home. 
every year after furthur i add to it what i wish i'd brought.

btw, i am bringing out the taplights this year, if you want one, bring 4
aa batteries and you too can be tapping your way into enlightenment ;P

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http://www.abex.no/teliairc.html

IRC in a web browser... the requests I think are sent via port 80 which
should be open through most any firewall... :)

Love,
  Nick

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Brzykcy Robert wrote:

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> BTW, ne1 know how to get around the firewall at work and use IRc? Not like
> *I* would ever do such a thing, just a thought.  ;)
> 
> Rob
> 
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my suggestion - definitely bring stuff.
you might really regret it if you don't.



q #1 - is outside liquor allowed?
q #2 - is there a schedule of performances available?

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Thanks for the list =)

I must add:  Go to Wal-Mart (yeah I know, heh) and they have boxes of 12 
bottles of water for about 2.99 each.. I'm going to bring like four so if 
anyone wants water, there will definitely be extras.  Sandals too, like the 
waterproof kind, if you want to shower, because you do not want to be 
sticking your bare feet in puddles of nastiness.  And extra batteries (for 
flashlight/radio/etc)... And I know there's a first aid tent, but it can 
never hurt to bring band-aids, aspirin, allergy meds, soap/shampoo... Baby 
wipes are useful for cleaning the essentials (face, etc)... Air mattress for 
the tent...

I think that's about it... God I'm stuffing four people and all our shit 
into my little tiny car (which suddenly seems a lot smaller than it ever 
has..)  Blah.

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Oh yeah!! This is EXACTLY what I was trying to do.. Oh the humanity.
;)

Rob


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http://www.abex.no/teliairc.html

IRC in a web browser... the requests I think are sent via port 80 which
should be open through most any firewall... :)

Love,
  Nick

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Brzykcy Robert wrote:

> 
> BTW, ne1 know how to get around the firewall at work and use IRc? Not like
> *I* would ever do such a thing, just a thought.  ;)
> 
> Rob
> 
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> >hey,
> >
> >so is efnet just royally fucked today or what?  I came back from lunch
and
> i
> >was able to connect to mcs.net but it was in split mode so i looked for
> >another server and none of them are responding!  and now mcs.net isn't
> >either.  anyone know what's going on?
> 
> 
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> q #1 - is outside liquor allowed?

and the real question:
will two bottles of stoli be enough for one weekend?!?
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>
> > q #1 - is outside liquor allowed?
>
>and the real question:
>will two bottles of stoli be enough for one weekend?!?
>;P

NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!...jes...we have discussed this b4 on irc...in no way is 
2 bottles of stoli enogh unless they are gallon bottles...

beware the return of cheap whiskey in tranerek's hands!!!

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> NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!...jes...we have discussed this b4 on irc...in no way is 
> 2 bottles of stoli enogh unless they are gallon bottles...

well, i was going to bring liters, not fifths, plus a bottle of decent
merlot for being mellow....but maybe you're right.

> beware the return of cheap whiskey in tranerek's hands!!!

believe me, i am afriad. 
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>and the real question:
>will two bottles of stoli be enough for one weekend?!?
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Better be on the safe side and bring three =)  It's like the girl scouts 
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> > beware the return of cheap whiskey in tranerek's hands!!!
>
>believe me, i am afriad.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

ok...its not that funny
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/me is starting to wish i was going to furthur !!

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that's the truth.
have flask. will travel.

:. 111


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> find the alchoholics...you have found a majority of the mw-netravers
>
> dylan
>
>
> >From: Mike Hunter <mhunter@knox.net>
> >To: MidWest Raves <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> >Subject: [mw] SRR: Whiplash and Further
> >Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 10:33:13 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >
> ><mindless chatter about my life>
> >
> >My car got totaled yesterday...  On my way to work, someone slams on
their
> >breaks in front of me, so I slam on mine, avoiding them, and then *BANG*
> >some stupid bitch rear-ended me with a big fucking minivan (I have a lil
> >escort).  Needless to say, I'm a bit sore today...
> >
> >Now, the beauty of all this is that I've ended up with a nice rental car,
> >(a 2000 Focus) although it's an automatic unfortunatly :(
> >
> >But anyrate, now that I have a nice car to do it with, and... well... I
> >finally decided, I'm going to go to further.  Seeing as I've met very few
> >of you, I'd love to get a chance to put some faces to all these names.
Is
> >there going to be an mw-raves tent or something of the sort?  We need to
> >get that plurry netraver vibe shit going on :P
> >
> >Umm... I guess that's it...
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i know that ICQ2000 is way more firewall-friendly than previous versions. it
can actually use an HTTPS proxy instead of going directly out through a
SOCKS firewall.

right now, mine is set to determine the IP automatically and use my
company's secure web proxy...and they have no idea what i'm doing. you can
also try using a free proxy service instead of a corporate one.

my $0.02
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>
> >Yeah, I tried that too.. I even pinged for other proxy servers that might
> >not have such a restrictive firewall.
> >
> >IM is easy to get working but the IRc is pretty rough.
>
>
> Yeah, speaking of which, I got AIM working... Thanks for helping me out
> there.  Unfortunately, AIM is kind of inconvenient for work... Does anyone
> know of a way to configure ICQ?
>
> IRC is going to be a tough one... Um, all I can do is wish you good luck
> =)... And let me know if you figure it out...
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just wondering, and i'm (pleasantly) suprised.

are we stevie-less today?

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Liquid Groove would like to thank all who attended Purple Haze
last weekend.

Now coming up we have 2 wicked events.

1st is our Monthly drum and bass night on Wed. September 13th with Resident dj DARA and
this months special TRACE. All of that info can be found at 
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2nd we have Liquified Universe on Sat .sept 30that the North Atlanta Trade
Center with the Likes of JOHN DIGWEED, DOC MARTIN, JOSH WINK
UBERZONE, ANDY C., ED RUSH, ZINC, DARA, ESSASIN, MACHETTE and
many more. Below is the full info on that.

TICKETS ARE NOW ON SALE FOR LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE FOR $25

-------------------------------

LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE
FESTIVAL OF SOUND
NEXT LEVEL - UNITED BY SOUND
Saturday September 30th 2000
Atlanta GA

on 04/01/00 over 8000 people united under 1 roof and celebrated something
special @ one of the largest electronic music events on the east coast... 6
months later, with a diverse musical line-up and a mind-blowing production,
lu is back in full effect @ the trade center, with a supreme combination of
international djs and producers, who have pioneered and represented our
scene for many years all over the world.

 Room 1:  NEBULA

JOHN DIGWEED
(bedrock, twilo, UK) 3:00 - 5:30
after an awesome set at the first LU, John's back for the next installment,
tough intelligent frequincies mixed seemlessly with bionic beats and
sophisticated sounds, showing us why he's consistantly in serious demand
around the globe.


JOSH WINK
(ovum records, 611, philly) 1:00 - 3:00
One of Americas most respected dj/producers, takes time out from his busy
touring and production schedule, to lay down his own brand of twisted
tech-house in Atlanta for the first time this year.


UBERZONE
presents: The Digital Mix 12:00 - 1:00
a multi-platform DJ set using turntables, a computer and other digital
gizmos for a hybrid of mixing skills. Get ready as Q hits the southeast with
his supersonic beat technology.


DOC MARTIN
(wax, tight, LA) 5:30 - 8:00
Long time friend and one of the most respected house djs in the world, Doc
played a major role in the creation of the Atlanta scene. After a long time
away Doc is back in Atlanta to rock it like only he can with his funky house
sound


KAZELL
(liquidgroove, global grooves, LA) 10:30 - 12:00


J-LUV
(rewind, outerlimits, atl) 9:00 - 10:30


ROOM 2: THE BASS STATION:

Presenting the cream of global drum and bass talent, a serious line-up for
the clued up jungle connoisseurs!

ANDY C. w/ MC RYMETYME
(ram records, UK) 2:30 - 4:30
Liquid Groove is very proud to bring to Atlanta for the very first time, one
of the most sought after drum and bass djs in the world, Andy C. Andy along
with partner Ant Miles head up the Infamous RAM recordings in the UK.
Andy has been pioneering the drum and bass world for quite some time,
Atlanta get ready for flawless mixing and wicked track selection from one of
the best and most upfront drum and bass djs the UK has to offer.


ED RUSH
(virus recordings, UK) 4:30 - 6:00
After the recent success of the the virus2000 tour, we are pleased to have
Ed Rush back to Atlanta again with his hard,  dark, and aggressive drum and
bass sound. He is once again ready to drop some of the sickest plates the
southeast will ever hear!


ZINC
(true playazs, frontline, UK) 12:30 - 2:30
Please welcome DJ Zinc to Atlanta for the very first time. Zinc records for
and helps run the now famous true-playazs record label along side partners
DJ Hype and Pascal. He will have you screaming for more with his very
unique jump-up d&b sound.


DARA
(breakbeat science, NYC) 11:00 - 12:30
The man behind Breakbeat Science and one of the leaders of the drum and bass
scene in the US, touches down in Atlanta to show everyone that America is up
to par with the rest of the d&b world.


E-SASSIN
(Phunkateck, Sound Sphere, LA)  6:00 - 7:00
Making his 1st Atlanta appearance, he has been featured on "The World of
Drum and Bass" on the well respected UK label, "Formation". He brings to Atlanta
that ruff, aggressive, darkside sound.


MACHETE
(Junglist Platoon, LA) 7:00 - 8:00
one of the fastest rising DJ/Producers on the West Coast Drum and Bass scene
today. A member of the Junglist Platoon,his immaculate mixing style coupled
with his scratching skills have made Machete one of the West Coast's top
Jungle DJ's


BOBBLE
(rewind, atlanta) 9:00 - 11:00
Please welcome Bobble back to LG for this very special set. Bob has decided
to move on from drum and bass and explore some new sounds. This will be his
last drum and bass set! Come out early and show you respect to the Bobbler!


Room 3: THE BLACK HOLE

CLAY IVEY
(f-111, caffeine, atl)


ORACLE
(databank, clubhead records, Cincinnati)


MICO
(neshan, luvlock, SC)


HOTWAX HARLEY --
(radiance, wallshaker records, NC)


RICK SIERRA
(rc project, satellite, atlanta)


THE TECHNICIAN
(Hoodlums USA, Low Down Underground, atlanta)


JOLBY
(faith records, Lil Diva, TN)


DJ SARDUAKAR
(pure, atlanta)


JUSTIN LOVE
(harmony, AL)


PRODUCTION:
We have designed an entirely different layout this time at the trade center,
creating 4 separate areas to explore. 3 separate rooms of sound and light
each with their own theme, and an additional vendors village, transforming
the trade center with an even higher level of production than before.


SOUND:
after setting new standards last time, eighth day have joined forces with
Big Stacks, to fill the trade center full of genuine TURBOSOUND in all 3
areas.


LASERS:
PAWN LASERS will be setting up multiple krypton and argon systems this time
in NEBULA and promise the most intense multi-colored laser action
imaginable.
PULSE LASERS are also blending multiple systems together in the BASS
STATION, for an animated concoction of    multicolored technology.


VISUALS:
massive video walls and intelligent lighting projections will be utilized to
the maximum, for a full-on sensory experience beyond reality.


VENDOR VILLAGE:
The vendor Village will feature a wide range of crafts and
products from all over the east coast. Anyone interested in
Vending you can e-mail us at liquified@mindspring.com or call the voicemail
for information (vendors must be licensed)


VOTER REGISTRATION:
We will have a voter registration booth set-up for
everyone to who hasn't registered to vote can sign up and make a difference.
Stand up, express yourself and be counted!!!


LOCATION:
THE NORTH ATLANTA TRADE CENTER
North Atlantas premier exhibit facility and one of the
argest expo centers in the southeast. Offering
120,000 sq feet of dance space all indoors, in
climate control comfort and split up into 4 areas.
Handicap accessibility, public telephones,
clean restrooms, and more then 5000 hotels within a
7 mile radius of the North Atlanta Trade Center.
Check out www.liquified.com for hotel listings.


INFORMATION:

18 and over welcome with I-D
Doors Open at 9:00pm - 8am
Multiple Entry Lines to ensure quick and safe entry into the event NO BAGS
allowed

FOR YOUR SAFETY:
onsite medical care/emt station to help & assist you.
firm & friendly security to help & assist you.
outside police to help & assist you.


TICKETS:
the last lu sold out in advance.
Buy your tickets in advance to avoid disapointment
Tickets go on sale August 28th
$25 until September 23rd
$27 until September 29th
$30 day of show and @ door


TICKET OUTLETS:
BEWARE OF FORGERIES
Buy tickets only from these stores
($1 surcharge at some locations)
Wish L5P 404-880-0402
Wish Gwinnett 770-814-0940
Rewind 404-827-9463
Satellite 404-880-9746
Candy (Athens, GA) 706-549-0191
Spins: (Greensboro, NC) - 336-274-8530
Faith Records: (Nashville, TN) - 615-726-3700
Bad Seed: (Birmingham, AL) - 205-933-7333
Big Apple Music: (Columbia, SC) - 803-798-7790
World Conspiracy: (Huntsville, AL) - 256-534-3198
Knee Deep: (Charlotte, NC) - 704-335-0442
Manifest: (greenville, SC) - 864-232-1623
Smoke: (Gainsville, FL) - 352-379-7670
Vinyl Frontier: (Orlando, FL) - 407-872-1844
Lost City : (Chapel Hill, NC) 919-933-5678
Spun Sugar: (Savannah, GA) - 912-232-7786
Vinyl Fever (Tallahassee, FL) --850-580-3480


ONLINE TICKETS:
You can purchase tickets online by going to
www.liquified.com and following the link for online ticket sales.

MAIL ORDER TICKETS:
Mail order ticket requests must be received by September
22nd. For info call 404-257-2515 or e-mail liquidgroove@mindspring.com

BUS TRIPS:
If you are interested in organizing a bus trip or if you want to
find out if a bus trip is being planned in a city near you log onto
www.liquified.com

HOTELS:
Log onto www.liquified.com for hotel information.

NO SITTING ON THE DANCEFLOOR! You will be removed from the dancefloor,
no-one appreciates falling over people when they're trying to get their
groove on!

PROMOTIONAL NETWORKING:
If you are interested in helping out with street promoting in your area and
becoming part of the LG family please contact us at
liquidgroove@mindspring.com or call the info line and leave your name,
number and where you live and someone will get back to you.



DIRECTIONS:
FROM THE SOUTH: Take I-75/85 north into downtown atlanta. I-75/85 merge in
downtown atlanta. Stay towards the left lane. when I-75 and I-85 split take
I-85 north towards greenville. Go up I-85 and get off at the Indian Trail
exit (the exit numbers are changing so the exit number will be either 38 or
101). At your first light (Indian trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and
make a right. Go 1/2 mile to Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right
in front of you.


FROM THE NORTH EAST: Take I-85 south toward atlanta. Get off at Indian Trail
exit (exit numbers are changing so the exit number will be either 38 or 101)
At the first light you come to go left onto Indian trail. Cross over hwy and
go to Oakbrook pkwy and turn right. Go 1/2 mile to Jeurgens court and turn
right. Venue is straight in front of you.


FROM THE EAST: Take I-20 west towards atlanta. Before you get to atlanta you
will get onto I-285 north. Take I-285 north till you get to the exit for
I-85 north. Go I-85 north to Indian Trail exit. (exit numbers are changing
so the exit number will be either 38 or 101) At your first light (Indian
trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and make a right. Go 1/2 mile to
Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right in front of you.


FROM THE WEST: Take I-20 east into downtown atlanta. Get onto I-75/85 north
and then follow the directions from the south.


FROM THE MIDWEST AREA: Get to I-75 south. Go I-75 south towards atlanta.
Before you get to atlanta Take I-285 east. Take I-285 east to I-85 North. Go
up I-85 and get off at the Indian Trail exit (the exit numbers are changing
so the exit number will be either 38 or 101). At your first light (Indian
trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and make a right. Go 1/2 mile to
Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right in front of you.

24 hour information:
404-257-2515
www.liquified.com



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Subject: [mw] EMBEE ONLY 1 WEEK AWAY -- GRAVITYBASS -- CINCINNATI, OH

Hello and props to everyone who has supported Gravitybass.
Gravitybass, a limited edition drum & bass weekly, is held every tuesday
night at Topcats. Your resident selectors are Mowgli every 1st and 3rd
tuesdays and Troll every 2nd and 4th tuesdays.  Following is a list of
events and a schedule for the September 2000. See enclosed picture of
the flier.


Tuesday, September 05, 2000

EMBEE
LONDON, EASTSIDE RECORDS, FUZE RECORDINGS, TRUE PLAYAZ, SPLASH
RECORDINGS, JUICE RECORDS
Embee has been DJ'ing for twelve years and producing for seven years. He
comes from a background of old school hip hop and rare groove/funk. He
records under the name Embee for Juice, Splash, East Side, Fuze, and
True Playaz. He also collaborates under the name Indicas Rhythm.

He currently DJ's weekly on Essex based pirate station Cyndicut FM as
well as playing at various Juice and Splash nights throughout the UK.
Embee has played  all over the world. Embee continues to push forward
the boundaries of drum and bass.  Embees DJ sets consist of fat break
beats and pounding bass.

MK2
NASHVILLE, M.A.D. BASS RECORDINGS

MOWGLI
CINCINNATI, C.B.S., SWEAT

Located at Topcats > 2820 Vine St > 281-2005.
18 and up welcome. $5 cover. Doors open at 10 pm. Open until 2 am.
Brought to you by: Zeropoint Recordings.
Web: http://www.zeropointrecords.com.
E-Flyer: http://www.zeropointrecords.com/embee.htm
E-mail: mailto:zeropointrecords@hotmail.com.

--------------------------------------------


Gravitybass schedule for September:

September 12
TROLL > CBS, SWEAT
K-FREY > ZEROPOINT

September 19
NO GRAVITYBASS

September 26
RUFFDRAFT NIGHT
SPAHN
JERAMIAH

MC'S FIRECAT, TNT AND BATRE'

Located at Topcats > 2820 Vine St > 513-281-2005. \
18 and up welcome. $3 cover. Doors open at 10 pm. Open until 2 am.
Brought to you by: Zeropoint Recordings.
Web: http://www.zeropointrecords.com.
E-mail: mailto:zeropointrecords@hotmail.com.

Peace out . . .


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don't forget plenty of Astroglide and some nice fresh cucumbers.
:. 111


> i'm not mom *cough*jen*cough* but here goes
> 
> SUNBLOCK
> plenty of water
> food (duh)
> stove if you have it
> tent
> sleeping bag
> air mattress if ya got one
> candles/tiki torches
> flashlight
> radio
> waterguns
> bug spray
> camera 
> film
> extra clothes (it probably will rain)
> warm clothes (it might get cold at night)
> towel if you want to shower
> tarp
> lawn chairs
> pillow
> 
> * * *
> 
> that's all i can think of off hte top of my head.
> i do have a running list of stuff to bring but it's at home. 
> every year after furthur i add to it what i wish i'd brought.
> 
> btw, i am bringing out the taplights this year, if you want one, bring 4
> aa batteries and you too can be tapping your way into enlightenment ;P
> 
> /j
> 
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> q #1 - is outside liquor allowed?
--
from www.dropbass.net:
   "Alcohol sales will be available on the grounds for those
    legal drinking age with proper i.d. If you're under 21
    don't even think about bringing alcohol in. Underage
    drinking will not be tolerated and will be dealt with
    severely."

it makes no mention of people over 21 having any problem bringing in booze.
we'll see, i guess...

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Subject: [mw] ACTIV8 lineups....

Activ8 is Dayton's only weekly, coming at you every Wednesday night from 
Mother Rucker's.  This week, Denny's Creature presents you with...

* DJ Phrenzy (Denny's Creature)  - Dayton
* Green Tara (Denny's Creature/NTS)  - Dayton
* JJ Boogie (Crybaby) - Dayton
* DJ Sugar (Crybaby) - Dayton
* DJ Soniq Stylz (Denny's Creature/World DJ Alliance) - Dayton

Cover is a mere $2 for this event, 18+.  For directions and other info, call 
937.866.6699,  or click over to http://www.worlddjalliance.com/dcp

Also Coming up!!!   

Sept. 6th   -   DJ RIP (UC MUSIC/SUBSTANCE MUSIC USA) - Chicago.
             Coming in on the World Domination tour to promote his new CD on 
UC Music, Rip promises a 'smokin' show.  Also, we will be premiering the new 
video by Underworld, "Everything, Everything" live at the club.   

Sept. 13th  -   TILZS (ZOOP/SONICFURY.NET) - Minneapolis
             Green Tara's farewell show as she heads up to Columbus.  Tilzs 
will rock yer ass with an hour and a half of some trancecore, after tagging 
with DCP's Jager-queen on her last set for the summer.

DJ's looking to get booked need to email Tara at SoTranced@aol.com, or Tim at 
OneBadDJ@aol.com....

Peace,

Tim

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> don't forget plenty of Astroglide and some nice fresh cucumbers.

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Don't forget!

laptop
Dr. Pepper (no Mountain Dew since Pepsi drivers are on strike)
pegs

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Subject: [mw] FW: [madfam] nomination for no more wilke

someone from a different list i'm not, and you think the creator is
annoying...

-t

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I'd like to nominate or propose some sort of motion to get christina off of 
this list.

I don't know what her deal is, but she started on me and then has gone off 
on a lot of people and her only rebuttle seems to be that she thinks we are 
all on drugs.

I work taking care of people with developemental disabilities and did not 
find her comments about those and hearing impaired people ethical in any 
way.(Remember, I cancelled a weekly when a staff person of the venue shot a 
water gun at one of my clients)

Now she writes me wanting a nude photo for her kid.  She maybe should spend 
time with her kid instead of worrying about a bunch of people she seemingly 
hates, or maybe it's just me imagining things.  If she was so high and 
mighty, then why is she even suggesting something like that and suggesting 
that people I hang out with are all on drugs.

Now she says she's the president.  Oh please.  Why then Mr. Clinton are you 
posing as a ex-raver mother from the midwest?  You should go back to Ms. 
Lewinsky and let her do her cigar move since you must have that [body]part 
if you're the president.

Seriously, I really suggest that she be taken off of the list somehow or she

should REALLY show up at Furthur.

Damn I want to rip her up soooooo bad.

adrian

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yeah, my fault. though, you gotta get the ones with bumps that they make
pickles out of. they're studded for your pleasure.

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>
> > don't forget plenty of Astroglide and some nice fresh cucumbers.
>
> oh come on, that goes without saying ;P
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noooooooo!!! not the pegs!!!!

BTW...Dr. Pepper is a pepsi product as well.
wtf gives pepsi drivers the right to go on strike? i need my nectar, man.
you don't see the corner crack dealers going on strike do you? how shitty.


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>laptop
>Dr. Pepper (no Mountain Dew since Pepsi drivers are on strike)
>pegs


They're not on strike anymore.

(line 2)

-Ana

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Tony Sebion wrote:

> just wondering, and i'm (pleasantly) suprised.
>
> are we stevie-less today?

Maybe the Illuminati finally got to him.

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nope, they're not pepsi-owned either.  from their flash-laden web site...


dr pepper company merged with the seven-up company in 1986 to form dr
pepper/seven-up corporation. in early 1995, the company was acquired by
cadbury schweppes plc to become the largest operating division of the
non-cola global beverages firm.  dr pepper company is an operating division
of plano-based dr pepper/seven up, inc. cadbury schweppes plc is based in
london.


i'm opinionless on this, but i feel for ya on the pepsi thing.  i would
commit crimes that would seem heinous to the mob if i wasn't able to get
diet coke.

-t

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BTW...Dr. Pepper is a pepsi product as well.
wtf gives pepsi drivers the right to go on strike? i need my nectar, man.
you don't see the corner crack dealers going on strike do you? how shitty.

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> well, i was going to bring liters, not fifths, plus
> a bottle of decent
> merlot for being mellow....but maybe you're right.

A GREAT IDEA, but I want to one-up that!
I think brandy and a few choice cigars might be a nice
touch for further.
Hell, I need to find a red felt lawn chair!
werd em up

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>Hell, I need to find a red felt lawn chair!

you'd be crushed by all the people rolling that would want to touch it.

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Subject: [mw] doctor pepper

dr. pepper has a distribution agreement with coke and pepsi it seems...in
the states where coke sells mr. pibb, dr, pepper is bottled/distributed by
pepsi and in the states where there is no mr. pibb, coke handles it...that
was the last i knew and i have seen exceptions but as ive seen it this holds
mostly true...btw, i like the pepsi dr. pepper better as its a little
fizzier

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> nope, they're not pepsi-owned either.  from their flash-laden web site...
>
>
> dr pepper company merged with the seven-up company in 1986 to form dr
> pepper/seven-up corporation. in early 1995, the company was acquired by
> cadbury schweppes plc to become the largest operating division of the
> non-cola global beverages firm.  dr pepper company is an operating
division
> of plano-based dr pepper/seven up, inc. cadbury schweppes plc is based in
> london.
>
>
> i'm opinionless on this, but i feel for ya on the pepsi thing.  i would
> commit crimes that would seem heinous to the mob if i wasn't able to get
> diet coke.
>
> -t
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jsn111
> Subject: Re: [mw] bring to furthur
>
> BTW...Dr. Pepper is a pepsi product as well.
> wtf gives pepsi drivers the right to go on strike? i need my nectar, man.
> you don't see the corner crack dealers going on strike do you? how shitty.
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ha, and who says mailing lists are boring!

:p

-t

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dr. pepper has a distribution agreement with coke and pepsi it seems...in
the states where coke sells mr. pibb, dr, pepper is bottled/distributed by
pepsi and in the states where there is no mr. pibb, coke handles it...that
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Subject: Re: [mw] [LG] LU Full line-up and other things

sorry, for some reason MW-raves is subscribed to my online mailer. Didn't
mean to send this out to the list.

Peace
LG


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>
> Liquid Groove would like to thank all who attended Purple Haze
> last weekend.
>
> Now coming up we have 2 wicked events.
>
> 1st is our Monthly drum and bass night on Wed. September 13th with
Resident dj DARA and
> this months special TRACE. All of that info can be found at
> www.liquified.com
>
> 2nd we have Liquified Universe on Sat .sept 30that the North Atlanta Trade
> Center with the Likes of JOHN DIGWEED, DOC MARTIN, JOSH WINK
> UBERZONE, ANDY C., ED RUSH, ZINC, DARA, ESSASIN, MACHETTE and
> many more. Below is the full info on that.
>
> TICKETS ARE NOW ON SALE FOR LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE FOR $25
>
> -------------------------------
>
> LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE
> FESTIVAL OF SOUND
> NEXT LEVEL - UNITED BY SOUND
> Saturday September 30th 2000
> Atlanta GA
>
> on 04/01/00 over 8000 people united under 1 roof and celebrated something
> special @ one of the largest electronic music events on the east coast...
6
> months later, with a diverse musical line-up and a mind-blowing
production,
> lu is back in full effect @ the trade center, with a supreme combination
of
> international djs and producers, who have pioneered and represented our
> scene for many years all over the world.
>
>  Room 1:  NEBULA
>
> JOHN DIGWEED
> (bedrock, twilo, UK) 3:00 - 5:30
> after an awesome set at the first LU, John's back for the next
installment,
> tough intelligent frequincies mixed seemlessly with bionic beats and
> sophisticated sounds, showing us why he's consistantly in serious demand
> around the globe.
>
>
> JOSH WINK
> (ovum records, 611, philly) 1:00 - 3:00
> One of Americas most respected dj/producers, takes time out from his busy
> touring and production schedule, to lay down his own brand of twisted
> tech-house in Atlanta for the first time this year.
>
>
> UBERZONE
> presents: The Digital Mix 12:00 - 1:00
> a multi-platform DJ set using turntables, a computer and other digital
> gizmos for a hybrid of mixing skills. Get ready as Q hits the southeast
with
> his supersonic beat technology.
>
>
> DOC MARTIN
> (wax, tight, LA) 5:30 - 8:00
> Long time friend and one of the most respected house djs in the world, Doc
> played a major role in the creation of the Atlanta scene. After a long
time
> away Doc is back in Atlanta to rock it like only he can with his funky
house
> sound
>
>
> KAZELL
> (liquidgroove, global grooves, LA) 10:30 - 12:00
>
>
> J-LUV
> (rewind, outerlimits, atl) 9:00 - 10:30
>
>
> ROOM 2: THE BASS STATION:
>
> Presenting the cream of global drum and bass talent, a serious line-up for
> the clued up jungle connoisseurs!
>
> ANDY C. w/ MC RYMETYME
> (ram records, UK) 2:30 - 4:30
> Liquid Groove is very proud to bring to Atlanta for the very first time,
one
> of the most sought after drum and bass djs in the world, Andy C. Andy
along
> with partner Ant Miles head up the Infamous RAM recordings in the UK.
> Andy has been pioneering the drum and bass world for quite some time,
> Atlanta get ready for flawless mixing and wicked track selection from one
of
> the best and most upfront drum and bass djs the UK has to offer.
>
>
> ED RUSH
> (virus recordings, UK) 4:30 - 6:00
> After the recent success of the the virus2000 tour, we are pleased to have
> Ed Rush back to Atlanta again with his hard,  dark, and aggressive drum
and
> bass sound. He is once again ready to drop some of the sickest plates the
> southeast will ever hear!
>
>
> ZINC
> (true playazs, frontline, UK) 12:30 - 2:30
> Please welcome DJ Zinc to Atlanta for the very first time. Zinc records
for
> and helps run the now famous true-playazs record label along side partners
> DJ Hype and Pascal. He will have you screaming for more with his very
> unique jump-up d&b sound.
>
>
> DARA
> (breakbeat science, NYC) 11:00 - 12:30
> The man behind Breakbeat Science and one of the leaders of the drum and
bass
> scene in the US, touches down in Atlanta to show everyone that America is
up
> to par with the rest of the d&b world.
>
>
> E-SASSIN
> (Phunkateck, Sound Sphere, LA)  6:00 - 7:00
> Making his 1st Atlanta appearance, he has been featured on "The World of
> Drum and Bass" on the well respected UK label, "Formation". He brings to
Atlanta
> that ruff, aggressive, darkside sound.
>
>
> MACHETE
> (Junglist Platoon, LA) 7:00 - 8:00
> one of the fastest rising DJ/Producers on the West Coast Drum and Bass
scene
> today. A member of the Junglist Platoon,his immaculate mixing style
coupled
> with his scratching skills have made Machete one of the West Coast's top
> Jungle DJ's
>
>
> BOBBLE
> (rewind, atlanta) 9:00 - 11:00
> Please welcome Bobble back to LG for this very special set. Bob has
decided
> to move on from drum and bass and explore some new sounds. This will be
his
> last drum and bass set! Come out early and show you respect to the
Bobbler!
>
>
> Room 3: THE BLACK HOLE
>
> CLAY IVEY
> (f-111, caffeine, atl)
>
>
> ORACLE
> (databank, clubhead records, Cincinnati)
>
>
> MICO
> (neshan, luvlock, SC)
>
>
> HOTWAX HARLEY --
> (radiance, wallshaker records, NC)
>
>
> RICK SIERRA
> (rc project, satellite, atlanta)
>
>
> THE TECHNICIAN
> (Hoodlums USA, Low Down Underground, atlanta)
>
>
> JOLBY
> (faith records, Lil Diva, TN)
>
>
> DJ SARDUAKAR
> (pure, atlanta)
>
>
> JUSTIN LOVE
> (harmony, AL)
>
>
> PRODUCTION:
> We have designed an entirely different layout this time at the trade
center,
> creating 4 separate areas to explore. 3 separate rooms of sound and light
> each with their own theme, and an additional vendors village, transforming
> the trade center with an even higher level of production than before.
>
>
> SOUND:
> after setting new standards last time, eighth day have joined forces with
> Big Stacks, to fill the trade center full of genuine TURBOSOUND in all 3
> areas.
>
>
> LASERS:
> PAWN LASERS will be setting up multiple krypton and argon systems this
time
> in NEBULA and promise the most intense multi-colored laser action
> imaginable.
> PULSE LASERS are also blending multiple systems together in the BASS
> STATION, for an animated concoction of    multicolored technology.
>
>
> VISUALS:
> massive video walls and intelligent lighting projections will be utilized
to
> the maximum, for a full-on sensory experience beyond reality.
>
>
> VENDOR VILLAGE:
> The vendor Village will feature a wide range of crafts and
> products from all over the east coast. Anyone interested in
> Vending you can e-mail us at liquified@mindspring.com or call the
voicemail
> for information (vendors must be licensed)
>
>
> VOTER REGISTRATION:
> We will have a voter registration booth set-up for
> everyone to who hasn't registered to vote can sign up and make a
difference.
> Stand up, express yourself and be counted!!!
>
>
> LOCATION:
> THE NORTH ATLANTA TRADE CENTER
> North Atlantas premier exhibit facility and one of the
> argest expo centers in the southeast. Offering
> 120,000 sq feet of dance space all indoors, in
> climate control comfort and split up into 4 areas.
> Handicap accessibility, public telephones,
> clean restrooms, and more then 5000 hotels within a
> 7 mile radius of the North Atlanta Trade Center.
> Check out www.liquified.com for hotel listings.
>
>
> INFORMATION:
>
> 18 and over welcome with I-D
> Doors Open at 9:00pm - 8am
> Multiple Entry Lines to ensure quick and safe entry into the event NO BAGS
> allowed
>
> FOR YOUR SAFETY:
> onsite medical care/emt station to help & assist you.
> firm & friendly security to help & assist you.
> outside police to help & assist you.
>
>
> TICKETS:
> the last lu sold out in advance.
> Buy your tickets in advance to avoid disapointment
> Tickets go on sale August 28th
> $25 until September 23rd
> $27 until September 29th
> $30 day of show and @ door
>
>
> TICKET OUTLETS:
> BEWARE OF FORGERIES
> Buy tickets only from these stores
> ($1 surcharge at some locations)
> Wish L5P 404-880-0402
> Wish Gwinnett 770-814-0940
> Rewind 404-827-9463
> Satellite 404-880-9746
> Candy (Athens, GA) 706-549-0191
> Spins: (Greensboro, NC) - 336-274-8530
> Faith Records: (Nashville, TN) - 615-726-3700
> Bad Seed: (Birmingham, AL) - 205-933-7333
> Big Apple Music: (Columbia, SC) - 803-798-7790
> World Conspiracy: (Huntsville, AL) - 256-534-3198
> Knee Deep: (Charlotte, NC) - 704-335-0442
> Manifest: (greenville, SC) - 864-232-1623
> Smoke: (Gainsville, FL) - 352-379-7670
> Vinyl Frontier: (Orlando, FL) - 407-872-1844
> Lost City : (Chapel Hill, NC) 919-933-5678
> Spun Sugar: (Savannah, GA) - 912-232-7786
> Vinyl Fever (Tallahassee, FL) --850-580-3480
>
>
> ONLINE TICKETS:
> You can purchase tickets online by going to
> www.liquified.com and following the link for online ticket sales.
>
> MAIL ORDER TICKETS:
> Mail order ticket requests must be received by September
> 22nd. For info call 404-257-2515 or e-mail liquidgroove@mindspring.com
>
> BUS TRIPS:
> If you are interested in organizing a bus trip or if you want to
> find out if a bus trip is being planned in a city near you log onto
> www.liquified.com
>
> HOTELS:
> Log onto www.liquified.com for hotel information.
>
> NO SITTING ON THE DANCEFLOOR! You will be removed from the dancefloor,
> no-one appreciates falling over people when they're trying to get their
> groove on!
>
> PROMOTIONAL NETWORKING:
> If you are interested in helping out with street promoting in your area
and
> becoming part of the LG family please contact us at
> liquidgroove@mindspring.com or call the info line and leave your name,
> number and where you live and someone will get back to you.
>
>
>
> DIRECTIONS:
> FROM THE SOUTH: Take I-75/85 north into downtown atlanta. I-75/85 merge in
> downtown atlanta. Stay towards the left lane. when I-75 and I-85 split
take
> I-85 north towards greenville. Go up I-85 and get off at the Indian Trail
> exit (the exit numbers are changing so the exit number will be either 38
or
> 101). At your first light (Indian trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and
> make a right. Go 1/2 mile to Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is
right
> in front of you.
>
>
> FROM THE NORTH EAST: Take I-85 south toward atlanta. Get off at Indian
Trail
> exit (exit numbers are changing so the exit number will be either 38 or
101)
> At the first light you come to go left onto Indian trail. Cross over hwy
and
> go to Oakbrook pkwy and turn right. Go 1/2 mile to Jeurgens court and turn
> right. Venue is straight in front of you.
>
>
> FROM THE EAST: Take I-20 west towards atlanta. Before you get to atlanta
you
> will get onto I-285 north. Take I-285 north till you get to the exit for
> I-85 north. Go I-85 north to Indian Trail exit. (exit numbers are changing
> so the exit number will be either 38 or 101) At your first light (Indian
> trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and make a right. Go 1/2 mile to
> Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right in front of you.
>
>
> FROM THE WEST: Take I-20 east into downtown atlanta. Get onto I-75/85
north
> and then follow the directions from the south.
>
>
> FROM THE MIDWEST AREA: Get to I-75 south. Go I-75 south towards atlanta.
> Before you get to atlanta Take I-285 east. Take I-285 east to I-85 North.
Go
> up I-85 and get off at the Indian Trail exit (the exit numbers are
changing
> so the exit number will be either 38 or 101). At your first light (Indian
> trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and make a right. Go 1/2 mile to
> Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right in front of you.
>
> 24 hour information:
> 404-257-2515
> www.liquified.com
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] doctor pepper

ohhhhh, we've got Mr. Pibb alright!!!


----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ ORACLE [DANIEL BRITT]" <djoracle@fuse.net>
To: "Tony Sebion" <tony@sebion.com>; "sofa king" <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 5:09 PM
Subject: [mw] doctor pepper


> dr. pepper has a distribution agreement with coke and pepsi it seems...in
> the states where coke sells mr. pibb, dr, pepper is bottled/distributed by
> pepsi and in the states where there is no mr. pibb, coke handles it...that
> was the last i knew and i have seen exceptions but as ive seen it this
holds
> mostly true...btw, i like the pepsi dr. pepper better as its a little
> fizzier
>
> dj oracle aka daniel britt
> 940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
> booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
> djoracle@onebox.com
> www.djoracle.com
> www.icast.com/member/djoracle
>
>
>
> > nope, they're not pepsi-owned either.  from their flash-laden web
site...
> >
> >
> > dr pepper company merged with the seven-up company in 1986 to form dr
> > pepper/seven-up corporation. in early 1995, the company was acquired by
> > cadbury schweppes plc to become the largest operating division of the
> > non-cola global beverages firm.  dr pepper company is an operating
> division
> > of plano-based dr pepper/seven up, inc. cadbury schweppes plc is based
in
> > london.
> >
> >
> > i'm opinionless on this, but i feel for ya on the pepsi thing.  i would
> > commit crimes that would seem heinous to the mob if i wasn't able to get
> > diet coke.
> >
> > -t
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jsn111
> > Subject: Re: [mw] bring to furthur
> >
> > BTW...Dr. Pepper is a pepsi product as well.
> > wtf gives pepsi drivers the right to go on strike? i need my nectar,
man.
> > you don't see the corner crack dealers going on strike do you? how
shitty.
> >
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> >
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Subject: Re: [mw] bring to furthur

It ain't quite red felt, but for $20 at Target you can score yourself an "Elite Captain's Chair."  This beautiful folding
camping chair features a Lazy-boy style padded reclining backrest and footrest, and not one, but two beerholders in the
armrests.  True couch potato comfort anywhere you want.


Tom

Jon Gotti wrote:

>
> A GREAT IDEA, but I want to one-up that!
> I think brandy and a few choice cigars might be a nice
> touch for further.
> Hell, I need to find a red felt lawn chair!
> werd em up
>
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Subject: RE: [mw] bring to furthur

i think i'm just gonna bring some hardcore/jungle chicas with me...well and 
of course a tent...to share with one of the hardcore chica's of course...

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From mw-raves-return-6427-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Aug 29 21:16:00 2000
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Thank you for the suggestion, but I was also just
thinking.......
FUCK A CIGAR (my girlfriend hates them anyway)
ITS TIME TO PURCHASE A PIPE!!!!!!!

--- Tom Sprynczynatyk <spry0004@tc.umn.edu> wrote:
> It ain't quite red felt, but for $20 at Target you
> can score yourself an "Elite Captain's Chair."  This
> beautiful folding
> camping chair features a Lazy-boy style padded
> reclining backrest and footrest, and not one, but
> two beerholders in the
> armrests.  True couch potato comfort anywhere you
> want.
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> Jon Gotti wrote:
> 
> >
> > A GREAT IDEA, but I want to one-up that!
> > I think brandy and a few choice cigars might be a
> nice
> > touch for further.
> > Hell, I need to find a red felt lawn chair!
> > werd em up
> >
> > =====
> > Being a DJ is so cool!  It's fun watching everyone
> dance to my mix - Super Rockstar DJ Blain of tha
> Generation Girl Crew
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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Subject: Re: [mw] doctor pepper

ITS TOO CONFUSING!!!!!!!
JUST GO WITH VESS YOU BASTARDS!!!

--- "DJ ORACLE [DANIEL BRITT]" <djoracle@fuse.net>
wrote:
> dr. pepper has a distribution agreement with coke
> and pepsi it seems...in
> the states where coke sells mr. pibb, dr, pepper is
> bottled/distributed by
> pepsi and in the states where there is no mr. pibb,
> coke handles it...that
> was the last i knew and i have seen exceptions but
> as ive seen it this holds
> mostly true...btw, i like the pepsi dr. pepper
> better as its a little
> fizzier
> 
> dj oracle aka daniel britt
> 940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
> booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
> djoracle@onebox.com
> www.djoracle.com
> www.icast.com/member/djoracle
> 
> 
> 
> > nope, they're not pepsi-owned either.  from their
> flash-laden web site...
> >
> >
> > dr pepper company merged with the seven-up company
> in 1986 to form dr
> > pepper/seven-up corporation. in early 1995, the
> company was acquired by
> > cadbury schweppes plc to become the largest
> operating division of the
> > non-cola global beverages firm.  dr pepper company
> is an operating
> division
> > of plano-based dr pepper/seven up, inc. cadbury
> schweppes plc is based in
> > london.
> >
> >
> > i'm opinionless on this, but i feel for ya on the
> pepsi thing.  i would
> > commit crimes that would seem heinous to the mob
> if i wasn't able to get
> > diet coke.
> >
> > -t
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jsn111
> > Subject: Re: [mw] bring to furthur
> >
> > BTW...Dr. Pepper is a pepsi product as well.
> > wtf gives pepsi drivers the right to go on strike?
> i need my nectar, man.
> > you don't see the corner crack dealers going on
> strike do you? how shitty.
> >
> > --- - -
> > http://www.mw-raves.org
> >
> 
> 
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just in case...

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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 03:42:45PM -0500, jsn111 wrote:
> BTW...Dr. Pepper is a pepsi product as well.

No, Dr. Pepper is a product of the Dr. Pepper/7 Up Corporation of
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Subject: [mw] FURTHUR?

everyone keeps talking about this thing. what is it? can i go?

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>everyone keeps talking about this thing. what is it? can i go?


I think it's one of those things that looks like the club scene in Basic
Instinct.

And no, you can't go.


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That's right you heard it here first! It wasn't Buddha and it wasn't Allah or 
even President Clinton. It was Jesus! I mean freak out! I never thought my 
life would end up this way, man. This is going to take months of fucking 
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Subject: [mw] a few more things


spare car keys
soap
blankets
sleeping bag
cooler
can opener
ear plugs
disposable silverware/plates/cups

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i'm not mom *cough*jen*cough* but here goes

SUNBLOCK
plenty of water
food (duh)
stove if you have it
tent
sleeping bag
air mattress if ya got one
candles/tiki torches
flashlight
radio
waterguns
bug spray
camera 
film
extra clothes (it probably will rain)
warm clothes (it might get cold at night)
towel if you want to shower
tarp
lawn chairs
pillow

* * *

that's all i can think of off hte top of my head.
i do have a running list of stuff to bring but it's at home. 
every year after furthur i add to it what i wish i'd brought.

btw, i am bringing out the taplights this year, if you want one, bring 4
aa batteries and you too can be tapping your way into enlightenment ;P

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Things I always forget and wish I had with:
paper towels!!!
a bucket to wash cooking shit
dish soap


Tom

jes wrote:

> spare car keys
> soap
> blankets
> sleeping bag
> cooler
> can opener
> ear plugs
> disposable silverware/plates/cups
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 14:17:40 -0400 (EDT)
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> Subject: bring to furthur
>
> i'm not mom *cough*jen*cough* but here goes
>
> SUNBLOCK
> plenty of water
> food (duh)
> stove if you have it
> tent
> sleeping bag
> air mattress if ya got one
> candles/tiki torches
> flashlight
> radio
> waterguns
> bug spray
> camera
> film
> extra clothes (it probably will rain)
> warm clothes (it might get cold at night)
> towel if you want to shower
> tarp
> lawn chairs
> pillow
>
> * * *
>
> that's all i can think of off hte top of my head.
> i do have a running list of stuff to bring but it's at home.
> every year after furthur i add to it what i wish i'd brought.
>
> btw, i am bringing out the taplights this year, if you want one, bring 4
> aa batteries and you too can be tapping your way into enlightenment ;P
>
> /j
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ah, as far as that goes... in consideration for those around you...

toothpaste & the necessary equipment to use such paste

-t

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Subject: [mw] NRR: Dr Pepper has no prunes...


just in case anyone had any doubts...
   http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mdrpepper.html


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||that took you 10 minutes?

No, of course not; sorting through the list and finding something I wanted to reply to took ten
minutes.. I apologize for being flippant, it's all I could come up with at the time.



 

  







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Subject: [mw] Efnet servers



Someone want to give me a list of decent efnet servers?  irc.umn.edu and
the like are not letting me connect and I think I'm going through withdrawal.


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> Someone want to give me a list of decent efnet servers?  irc.umn.edu and
> the like are not letting me connect and I think I'm going through withdrawal.

here's a few, look at http://irc.efnet.org for more

irc.prison.net
irc.core.com
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irc.umn.edu
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, metaphoria wrote:

> Someone want to give me a list of decent efnet servers?  irc.umn.edu and
> the like are not letting me connect and I think I'm going through withdrawal.


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Subject: Re: [mw] doctor pepper

No matter, they're both nas-tay anyway...

_______________________________________________________________________________
Free Mumia Abu-Jamal and Wen Ho Lee Now!

Demand justice for Amadou Diallo!

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 y'all could work in the dark room and still not develop..." - Juice

On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, DJ ORACLE [DANIEL BRITT] wrote:

> dr. pepper has a distribution agreement with coke and pepsi it seems...in
> the states where coke sells mr. pibb, dr, pepper is bottled/distributed by
> pepsi and in the states where there is no mr. pibb, coke handles it...that
> was the last i knew and i have seen exceptions but as ive seen it this holds
> mostly true...btw, i like the pepsi dr. pepper better as its a little
> fizzier
> 
> dj oracle aka daniel britt
> 940-b morris ct.  cincinnati, oh 45206
> booking info: fon/fax: 513.766.2007 x1429
> djoracle@onebox.com
> www.djoracle.com
> www.icast.com/member/djoracle
> 
> 
> 
> > nope, they're not pepsi-owned either.  from their flash-laden web site...
> >
> >
> > dr pepper company merged with the seven-up company in 1986 to form dr
> > pepper/seven-up corporation. in early 1995, the company was acquired by
> > cadbury schweppes plc to become the largest operating division of the
> > non-cola global beverages firm.  dr pepper company is an operating
> division
> > of plano-based dr pepper/seven up, inc. cadbury schweppes plc is based in
> > london.
> >
> >
> > i'm opinionless on this, but i feel for ya on the pepsi thing.  i would
> > commit crimes that would seem heinous to the mob if i wasn't able to get
> > diet coke.
> >
> > -t
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jsn111
> > Subject: Re: [mw] bring to furthur
> >
> > BTW...Dr. Pepper is a pepsi product as well.
> > wtf gives pepsi drivers the right to go on strike? i need my nectar, man.
> > you don't see the corner crack dealers going on strike do you? how shitty.
> >
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Subject: Re: [mw] bring to furthur

adam, i'll be sure to hook a brother up with an ice cold.......

DR THUNDER!!!!!!

REMEMBER MY NAME WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE FURTHUR NIGHT SKY!!!!!!


peace,
DrThunder
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Don't forget!
> 
> laptop
> Dr. Pepper (no Mountain Dew since Pepsi drivers are on strike)
> pegs
> 



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arno and i will do our best to secure the finest mead our computer skills
can barter.  or we might just have to pay the mead guy.

on that note, anyone know a reliable way i could make the computer belonging
to our mead supplier break right before every party we want to bring mead
to?

    -bill

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>
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> >
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>
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, atomly wrote:

> Don't forget!
> 
> laptop

Ack...  my laptop is going to be the sound system for the ride there, but
the damn batteries only last 1&1/2 hours... know where I can get a cheap
cigarette lighter (dc) to ac converter?  Radio shack (ick) wants $80 for
their el cheapo model... blargh :/

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, jsn111 wrote:

> 
> noooooooo!!! not the pegs!!!!
> 
> BTW...Dr. Pepper is a pepsi product as well.
> wtf gives pepsi drivers the right to go on strike? i need my nectar, man.
> you don't see the corner crack dealers going on strike do you? how shitty.

How bout good ol' generic Dr. K! 

No, I'm not joking.

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hate it that this is my first post back on the list, but it is important 
enough...
I WANT MEAD!!!!!
see ya at furthur!
i AM the princess of apples and all of the sauce

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> i'm not mom *cough*jen*cough* but here goes

hmph..

MOST IMPORTANTLY: TOILET PAPER!

> SUNBLOCK
> plenty of water
> food (duh)
> stove if you have it
> tent
> sleeping bag
> air mattress if ya got one
> candles/tiki torches
> flashlight
> radio
> waterguns
> bug spray
> camera 
> film
> extra clothes (it probably will rain)
> warm clothes (it might get cold at night)
> towel if you want to shower
> tarp
> lawn chairs
> pillow
> 
> * * *
> 
> that's all i can think of off hte top of my head.
> i do have a running list of stuff to bring but it's at home. 
> every year after furthur i add to it what i wish i'd brought.
> 
> btw, i am bringing out the taplights this year, if you want one, bring 4
> aa batteries and you too can be tapping your way into enlightenment ;P
> 
> /j
> 
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Subject: [mw] doug would like to know...


who on any of these lists hasnt seen my tits?
im baaaaack....
-L0R4

i AM the princess of all of the apples and all of the sauce

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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 10:37:19PM -0700, William Bunyan wrote:
> on that note, anyone know a reliable way i could make the computer belonging
> to our mead supplier break right before every party we want to bring mead
> to?

Let my mom use it for five minutes.

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On Tue, Aug 29, 2000 at 11:49:06PM -0400, Applesawz909@aol.com wrote:
> hate it that this is my first post back on the list, but it is important 
> enough...
> I WANT MEAD!!!!!
> see ya at furthur!
> i AM the princess of apples and all of the sauce

Welcome back, dawg.  Why haven't Ege and I gotten booked yet?  :P

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From mw-raves-return-6452-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 30 04:21:21 2000
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You have tits?? I thought those were a couple of your "special" gerbils stuffed under your shirt for hiding

I'll crown ya princess
shawne


On Wednesday, August 30, 2000 at 01:13:41 AM EDT, Applesawz909@aol.com wrote:

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> who on any of these lists hasnt seen my tits?
> im baaaaack....
> -L0R4
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> i AM the princess of all of the apples and all of the sauce
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In a message dated 08/30/2000 12:19:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
atomly@atomly.com writes:

> Let my mom use it for five minutes.
>  
>  -- 
>  :: atomly :: 

thats funny, yer mom didnt break doug last friday.....oh, could you tell her 
the check is in the mail?
-laura

i AM the princess of all of the apples and all of the sauce

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In a message dated 08/30/2000 12:20:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
shawne@zoomtown.com writes:

> You have tits?? I thought those were a couple of your "special" gerbils 
> stuffed under your shirt for hiding
>  
>  I'll crown ya princess
>  shawne

i think you have me confused with your girlfriend shawne....
just like a booger....
laura

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Subject: [mw] blasphemy at its classiest


http://www.childrensbiblestories.com

make the baby jesus cry

and as a bonus, there's even a few jesus goes raving pics.





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Subject: [mw] Sep02 SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION Cincinnati  

Sat Sep 02 SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION Cincinnati  

September 2nd 2000     SPONTANEOUS COMBUSTION       Cincinatti, OH
LABOR DAY WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!!!! JoMamma Productions.

This is an event not to be missed!!!!!!!

Featuring:

PHANTOM 45: Chicago, IL. (Subase Productions) One of the finest dj's and
producer's in the drum n bass industry, will be droppin' his unique blend
of hard rollin' super fat jams, for y'all to get on your super- groove
on!!!!!!!!!!

VENOM: Providence, RI. (Volume Productions) This guy has been blazing
trails all over our great nation this Summer!  Venom throws down on the
funky hard house and booty tip, like you wouldn't believe!!! He is the
master of the dance floor when it comes to some serious ass shakin'
grooves! You gotta check this set out!!!!!!!!!!!

HUBE JUBE vs. OODIE 5000: Cleveland, OH (Future Consortium) Don't miss
this super fly tagteam battle set between the Techno masters from Northern
Ohio.  
These two will surely rock the party all night long!!!!


Also appearing:

Junior D.: Cleveland, OH (AAM, Hubbard Music)
Dj Moose: Cleveland, OH (Infinite Velocity, AAM)
Valerie Spark: San Jose, CA (Liquid Vinyl)
Justin Frehs: Pittsburgh, PA (Dark Alley, AAM)
Cheshire: Cleveland, OH (AAM, Hubbard Music)
Tronic: Cincinnati, OH (Liquid Vinyl)
Ghost330: Youngstown, OH (Hubbard Music, AAM)
Goodvibe: Cincinatti, OH (Scrubbing Bubbles)
Mixtress: Cincinatti, OH (Sygnalflow Prod.)
Nastolgic: Dayton, OH (Floorgasm Prod.)
Ali Obvious: Dayton, OH (Bounce Theory)
Skip: Pittsburgh, PA (Mindworx)
Chris P.: Cincinatti, OH (5 Speed)
Matt Freeman: Dayton, OH (Flashpoint)
Manifest: Cincinatti, OH (Whyrl)
Eleven 11: Cincinatti, OH (Whyrl)
Benjamin West: Cincinatti, OH (5 Speed)

Contact Numbers:
Main Line: (513) 588-9479
Hubbard Music: (3300 534-3900
Tri Quad- (614) 470-2105
Flashpoint (937) 229-9203

Web Info:
hyperreal.com RAVE-O-MATIC
selekta.com
ravedata.com

Lighting and Sound: LIG Studios
Galactic Illumination Laser
40,000 watts of sound, provided for two stages of pure bliss!!!!!!!!!

prices:
$20 w/ can good.
$22 without.

 

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if there is none that wont let   u on there one i use that always works the 
only thing is there is a idle time limit so dont idle.  

irc.prison.net

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irc.plur.net

i swear to god it's real and it works.
-laura

$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$
$    Princess of All Apples & Their Sauces    $
$      Upper Half of the DOUG*O'*TRON:        $
$       "And I'll Form The Head!!!"          $
$  Untranslatable Regulation Krew Head Bitch  $
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ya'll want something to bring to furthur?

how about a titanium spork?

i would choose this sporkachu against pixie's any day....

http://www.tripleaughtdesign.com/tispork.htm


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From mw-raves-return-6460-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 30 05:52:49 2000
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so i am not going. i'm really fuckin broke and my car sucks and i owe a
lot of money and my books are $500 this semester. so unless a suitcase
full of money lands into my hands before friday, i wouldn't expect to see
meup there. =(

i'm sad.

lauryn.

lauryn goller	
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lore productions
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"why do we wait on people to pity us, while finding beauty in the hideous?"
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Subject: [mw] OCT. 28th THE HallOweenEvent

Superstars of Love's Halloween Thrill Orgy Trilogy:

SPOOKS SIN SPACE V 2.0  - Saturday October 28th 2000


Featuring for the first time ever:  
Astralwerks recording artist  L R D
      Jaques Lu Cont -
       Les Rythmes Digitales

 And the return of Chicago legend  - TERRY
                                    MULLAN - Catalyst
 
 YOU WANT HARDCORE WE GOT IT! - LENNY DEE
                                  DAMNIT!!!

 Plus Tomamerica performing with THE ALL TIME HIGH
 EXPERIENCE - LIVE SHOW
 
 We are going all out this year to bring you an
 amazing production once 
 again
 uniting the Midwest & Missouri by bringing Kansas
 City, Columbia,
 St. Louis, Springfield, and surrounding scenes like
 Indy, Iowa, Chicago,
 and Transexual Transylvania Together 4 our annual
 Halloween THRILL ORGY!
> >
> >PARTY FREAKS IN THE SCENE KNOW WHERE TO GO FOR
> HALLOWEEN! & THIS IS IT!
> >
> >SPOOKS SIN SPACE V 2.O  SUPERSTARS OF LOVE Stl +
> STRUNG OUT PROD. KC
> >
> >YOU'VE BEEN WARNED - WE ARE COMING FOR YOU - STAY
> TUNED...
> >


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--- Superstars Of Love <doctorlovestar@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >The Beast Within Remix-
> >
> >>Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the
> prophecy
> >>And blessed are those who hear
> >>And who keep what is written therein
> >>For the time is near
> >>
> >>He is coming with the clouds
> >>And every eye will see him
> >>Everyone who pierced him
> >>And all the tribes of the earth will wail on
> account of him
> >>
> >>Those of you who have not learned what some call
> the deep things of Satan
> >>I know your works, I know your toil, and your
> patient endurance
> >>And how you cannot hear evil men
> >>But have tested those who call themselves
> apostles, but are not
> >>And found them to be false
> >>I know that you are enduring patiently and bearing
> out for my namesake
> >>And you have not grown weary
> >>But I have this against you
> >>That you have abandoned the love you had
> >>
> >>I know your tribulation and your poverty
> >>And the slander of those who say that they are,
> but they are not
> >>They are a synagogue of Satan
> >>Do not fear what you are about to suffer
> >>Behold the devil is about to throw you into prison
> >>
> >>Wanting, needing, waiting for you to justify my
> love
> >>Hoping, praying for you to justify my love
> >>
> >>And I saw a beast rising out of the sea with ten
> horns and seven heads
> >>And a blasphemous name upon its head
> >>And the beast that I saw was like a leopard
> >>Its feet were like a bear's
> >>And its mouth was like a lion's mouth
> >>And to it the dragon gave his power, and his
> throne, and great authority
> >>One of his heads had a mortal wound
> >>But it seemed to have a mortal wound that was
> healed
> >>And the whole earth followed the beast with wonder
> >>
> >>Men worshipped the dragon for he had given his
> authority to the beast
> >>And they worshipped the beast saying
> >>"Who is like the beast and who can fight against
> the beast?"
> >>And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty
> and blasphemous words
> >>And it was allowed to exercise authority for
> forty-two months
> >>It opened its mouth to utter blasphemous words
> against God
> >>
> >>It was allowed to make war on the saints and to
> conquer
> >>And authority was given it over every tribe
> >>And a people and tongue and nation
> >>And all who dwell on earth could worship it in
> vain
> >>If anyone has an ear let him hear
> >>If anyone is to be taken captive, into captivity
> he will go
> >>If anyone who slays with the sword, with the sword
> >>
> >>Wanting, needing, waiting for you to justify my
> love
> >>Hoping
> >>)
> >>Then, I saw a new heaven and a new earth
> >>And I heard a great voice from the throne saying:
> >>"Behold the dwelling of God is with men
> >>He will dwell with them, and they shall be his
> people
> >>And God himself will be with them
> >>He will wipe away every tear from their eyes
> >>And death shall be no more
> >>Neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor
> pain anymore
> >>For these things will have passed away
> >>
> >>To the thirsty I will give water without price
> >>From the fountain of the water of life
> >>He who conquers shall have this heritage
> >>And I will be his God and he shall be my son
> >>
> >>But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the
> polluted
> >>As for the murderers, fornicators, sorcerers,
> idolators, and all liars
> >>Their lot shall be in the lake that burns with
> fire and brimstone."
> >>
> >>And he said to me, he said to me:
> >>"Do not seal up the words of the prophecy, for the
> time is near
> >>Let the evildoers still do evil, and the filthy
> still be filthy
> >>And the righteous still do right, and the holy
> still be holy
> >>Behold, I am coming soon
> >>I am the alpha and the omega
> >>The first and the last
> >>The beginning and the end."
> >>
> >>Amen
> >>
> >>What are you gonna do?
> >>

> >>>From: patti eldridge pattiplanetmail@y...
> >>>To: Superstars Of Love doctorlovestar@h...
> >>>Subject: gracias senor
> >>>Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:02:50 -0700 (PDT)
> >>>
> >>>Davidian,
> >>>You just made me lafff out loud for the first
> time in
> >>>a long time and made me blush, too. Thank you
> >>>sweetie. The check's in the mail.
> >>>very naughty hugs and kisses,
> >>>patti
> >>>
> >
> 
> 

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And I thought I could go all day w/o Stevie T....
 
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And, in case anyone misses my sarcasm, that was a joke....

 - Soniq

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Subject: [mw] Fw: [SER] plur movie


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 2:47 AM
Subject: [SER] plur movie


> Maybe I shouldn't be posting this I don't know but am really curious.
> Does anybody know anything about the plur film they were doing?  A few
> weekends ago I went to a free, 100% underground party at the westend
> wharehouse.  The party was for an underground movie called PLUR.  They
said
> there were going to be more parties to finish the underground film but I
> haven't heard anything. Please help.  That was one of the best parties
I've
> been to all year.  It was one of those things where you could really feel
> the energy and everybody looked like they was really trying to put on a
rave
> instead of all trying to look like a pimp or something.  I really enjoyed
> how the peeps were really expressing theirselves.
>
> In hopes......Spider



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Subject: [mw] Yo Here's Yo Peppah Flavah wuz Re: [mw] doctor pepper

djoracle@fuse.net writes:

<< dr. pepper has a distribution agreement with coke and pepsi it seems...in
 the states where coke sells mr. pibb, dr, pepper is bottled/distributed by
 pepsi and in the states where there is no mr. pibb, coke handles it...that
 was the last i knew and i have seen exceptions but as ive seen it this hold=
s
 mostly true...btw, i like the pepsi dr. pepper better as its a little
 fizzier >>

oh my lord, i take a one day sabatical, and you guys post worthless=20
dribble like dis?!...buncha chris ege crack head test tube babies!!

lemme kick u some o thee ravah essence flava for u soul-less=20
wonders...

      Written by krisb@mgisoft.com

      -BEGIN- file://26.04.00/TORONTO/SE7EN/RAVER'S_MANIFESTO

      Our emotional state of choice is Ecstasy. Our nourishment of choice is
      Love. Our addiction of choice is technology. Our religion of choice is
      music. Our currency of choice is knowledge. Our politics of choice is
      none. Our society of choice is utopian though we know it will never be=
.


      You may hate us. You may dismiss us. You may misunderstand us.=20
      You may be unaware of our existence. We can only hope you do not=20
      care to judge us, because we would never judge you. We are not=20
      criminals. We are not disillusioned. We are not drug addicts. We are=20
      not naive children. We are one massive, global, tribal village that=20
      transcends man-made law, physical geography, and time itself. We=20
      are The Massive. One Massive.




      We were first drawn by the sound. From far away, the thunderous,=20
      muffled, echoing beat was comparable to a mother's heart soothing
      a child in her womb of concrete, steel, and electrical wiring. We were=
=20
      drawn back into this womb, and there, in the heat, dampness, and=20
      darkness of it, we came to accept that we are all the same. We came=20
      to accept that we are all equal. Not only to the darkness, and to=20
      ourselves, but to the very music slamming into us and passing through=20
      our souls; We are all equal - and somewhere around 35Hz we could feel=20
      the hand of God at our backs, pushing us forward, pushing us to push=20
      ourselves to strengthen our minds, our bodies, and our spirits. Pushin=
g=20
      us to turn to the person beside us to join hands and uplift them by=20
      sharing the uncontrollable joy we felt from creating this magical=20
bubble=20
      that can, for one evening, protect us from the horrors, atrocities, an=
d=20
      pollution of the outside world. It is in that very instant, with these=
=20
very         =20
      realizations that each of was truly born.




      We continue to pack our bodies into clubs, or warehouses, or buildings
      you've abandoned and left for naught, and we bring life to them for on=
e
      night. Strong, throbbing, vibrant life in it's purest, most intense,=20
most
      hedonistic form. In these makeshift spaces, we seek to shed ourselves=20
      of the burden of uncertainty for a future you have been unable to=20
      stabilize and secure for us. We seek to relinquish our inhibitions, an=
d=20
      free ourselves from the shackles and restraints you've put on us for=20
your=20
      own peace of mind. We seek to re-write the programming that you have=20
      tried to indoctrinate us with since the moment we were born.=20
Programming=20
      that tells us to hate, that tells us to judge, that tells us to stuff=20
ourselves=20
      into the nearest and most convenient pigeon hole possible. Programming=
=20
      that even tells us to climb ladders for you, jump through hoops, and=20
run=20
      through mazes and on hamster wheels. Programming that tells us to eat=20
      from the shiny silver spoon you are trying to feed us with, instead of
      nourish ourselves with our own capable hands. Programming that tells u=
s=20
      to close our minds, instead of open them.




      Until the sun rises to burn our eyes by revealing the distopian realit=
y=20
of
      the world you've created for us, we dance fiercely with our brothers a=
nd
      sisters in celebration of our life, of our culture, and of the values=20=
we
      believe in: Peace, Love, Unity, Respect, Responsibility, Freedom,
      Tolerance, Harmony and Expression.




      Our enemy of choice is ignorance. Our weapon of choice is information.=
=20
      Our crime of choice is breaking and challenging whatever laws you feel=
=20
      you need to put in place to stop us from celebrating our existence. Bu=
t=20
      know that while you may shut down any given party, on any given night,=
=20
      in any given city, in any given country or continent on this beautiful=
=20
      planet, you can never shut down the entire party. You don't have acces=
s=20
      to that switch, no matter what you may think. The music will never=20
stop.=20
      The heartbeat will never fade. The party will never end.




      I am a raver, and this is my manifesto.

      -SE7EN- We've been losing unity in the scene, and it seems so many=20
      people don't even know what they're there for. I wrote this knowing=20
that=20
      if we can get this out to enough people and on enough sites, we can=20
      educate some people, and help bring back the unity we need to keep=20
      this scene at the amazing level it's at today.




      Go Back to Vibe

      This page was Launched May 5th, 2000




Spread this around. This is my life, our lives, our Sub-Culture=E2=80=A6.



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um, can i bring a widescreen?

can i bring a lazy boy?

can i bring my porn collection?

can i bring a swimming pool?

can i bring tony?...he says he can make ghb!

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Subject: Re: [mw] Jesus Stole My Car!!!

um do you drive a souped up low-rider yugo?

dat played "my cucaracha" when u honked the horn?

oh, that was satan's pee-on go-for demon, ted weinburg,
he got sick of his company K-Car & had always wanted
to soup up a yugo, but satan wasn't payin him enough as
a pee-on go-for!

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teknoho@konfused.net writes:

<< so i am not going. i'm really fuckin broke and my car sucks and i owe a
 lot of money and my books are $500 this semester. so unless a suitcase
 full of money lands into my hands before friday, i wouldn't expect to see
 meup there. =( >>

hmmm, i know somebody that might be swingin by yur
way that's got some sweet new wheels...as long as you
don't mind ridin in a souped up low rider listening to 
brittney spears and nsync the whole way!

what do you say, ted, for a mere $500 u get to kick it
w/ teknoho and ascertain all due priveledges for havin
a rave princess as your escort!



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drdoit2ya@yahoo.com writes:

<< > >>Behold, I am coming soon
 > >>I am the alpha and the omega
 > >>The first and the last
 > >>The beginning and the end."
 > >>
 > >>Amen >>

friggin biters!

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OneBadDJ@aol.com writes:

<< And, in case anyone misses my sarcasm, that was a joke.... >>

ooooooooohhhhh, you are ONE BAD DJ!!!...did your little
brother that pooped in your shoes give you your dj name?

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FLYERS OUT NOW!

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Subject: Re: [mw] FURTHUR?


hi jason !!

i dunno if they will let people like you into furthur but you can try i 
guess

im really startin to wish i was goin though

-THE bitch iySyS-

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>everyone keeps talking about this thing. what is it? can i go?
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> It ain't quite red felt, but for $20 at Target you can score 
> yourself an "Elite Captain's Chair."  This beautiful folding
> camping chair features a Lazy-boy style padded reclining 
> backrest and footrest, and not one, but two beerholders in the
> armrests.  True couch potato comfort anywhere you want.

DO NOT BUY THIS CHAIR...unless you first get to sit in it.
I almost bought one, but after taking it for a test-sit i realized how
bitchy the
arms are, my elbows kept falling off.
now I almost got the lounger...one piece, sits like an adirondack chair, mad
pimp potential
with that one.

2 cents and a haircut.
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> i think i'm just gonna bring some hardcore/jungle chicas with 
> me...well and 
> of course a tent...to share with one of the hardcore chica's 
> of course...
well if you got any extra hardcore/jungle chicas...
i'll be there with a big tent...
if youknowhatimsayin.
*nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink*
micah

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$10 to the 1st person who can sell urine as GHB to stevie that he actually
injests.

hell, i think you could probably raise quite a bit of money that way.

-t

ps - theelight316, stevie t, are you the guy at NFL football games with the
multi-colored clown wig and the john 3:16 sign?  thouhght so.  rave on!

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can i bring tony?...he says he can make ghb!


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    Please do!

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> um, can i bring a widescreen?
> 
> can i bring a lazy boy?
> 
> can i bring my porn collection?
> 
> can i bring a swimming pool?
> 
> can i bring tony?...he says he can make ghb!



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You're not going.

I didn't think porn was allowed in religion.  Oh.. wait.. Christianity is a 
misogynist institution made up of and by people not unlike yourself (and you 
wonder why I don't believe in the bible?)... Porn fits right in...

> > um, can i bring a widescreen?
> >
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http://www.theonion.com/onion3630/dolphins_evolve_thumbs.html

Ha ha, funny.
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look for me at furthur.  I'll be driving one of these:
http://www.birdconnection.com/302p.html

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okay, due to the overwhelming response I've recieved thus far, I'm going to 
just say this once for all of you.

I'm not really coming in that camper.

I can only dream of that camper.

And believe me, i do.  Every night for the last seven years.

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> okay, due to the overwhelming response I've recieved thus far, I'm going to 
> just say this once for all of you.
> I'm not really coming in that camper.

oh sure, get my hopes up, only to dash them. bastard.

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> okay, due to the overwhelming response I've recieved thus far, I'm going
to
> just say this once for all of you.
>
> I'm not really coming in that camper.

    I smell the strange, odd stench of ravers thinking... don't work too
hard guys... chris-e-is-for-ecstacy will, however, be driving this beauty to
furthur... http://www.vw.com/golf/?

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chris-e-is-for-ecstacy will, however, be driving this beauty to
>furthur... http://www.vw.com/golf/?
>

No way... He's stealing his dad's van.

(DO IT!)


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http://www.raverx.com/template/featurestory.shtml

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>     I smell the strange, odd stench of ravers thinking... don't work too
>hard guys... chris-e-is-for-ecstacy will, however, be driving this beauty 
>to
>furthur... http://www.vw.com/golf/?

actually, i think i'll be driving this:

http://www.SilhouetteVan.com/
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> http://www.raverx.com/template/featurestory.shtml

this article does raise an interesting point, and profiling by police is
an admitted problem in this country. i spent a good 4 or 5 years looking
"raved-out" and noticed how people treated me; now i look somewhat normal
(no oversized pants, tattoos or piercings, or shaved head) and enjoy being
treated with more respect. not heaps of, just more. it is true that when
people see someone looking like the stereotypical raver they make a lot of
assumptions about lifestyle choices, especially drugs, and it's a relief
to not have to fight that stereotype every day anymore. of course this
raises another issue about the assumption existing in the first place, but
i've pretty much given up and accepted the fact that no matter what we do
raves and drugs will always be linked in the eyes of the public. 

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> look for me at furthur.  I'll be driving one of these:
> http://www.birdconnection.com/302p.html

    ok, so maybe chris isn't really driving this, but we should still try to
get together... Everyone is welcome to come say hi between sunset & midnight
each night at the allied tent, I'll be projecting some fun visual lovin'...
not sure how else we would all get together, is anyone doing a large camp
area where we might be able to meet at a certain time?

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> > http://www.raverx.com/template/featurestory.shtml
>
> this article does raise an interesting point, and profiling by police is
> an admitted problem in this country. i spent a good 4 or 5 years looking
> "raved-out" and noticed how people treated me; now i look somewhat normal
> (no oversized pants, tattoos or piercings, or shaved head) and enjoy being
> treated with more respect. not heaps of, just more. it is true that when
> people see someone looking like the stereotypical raver they make a lot of
> assumptions about lifestyle choices, especially drugs, and it's a relief
> to not have to fight that stereotype every day anymore. of course this
> raises another issue about the assumption existing in the first place, but
> i've pretty much given up and accepted the fact that no matter what we do
> raves and drugs will always be linked in the eyes of the public.

    I'd say I'm kinda semi-raved out these days, but pre-rave I was big into
industrial. Angry at the world and dressing appropriately, with hair that
went to my shoulderblades, I got alot of disrespect from alot of people.
Fargo was a living hell, I'd be followed around in stores (even though I
probably had more money than the guy running the place) and given dirty
looks by alot of stupid north dakotans. I cut my hair, ditched the
steel-toed boots, started wearing sweaters and t-shirts that weren't black,
and generally started to resemble, more and more all the time, some sort of
respectable member of society.

    I have a painful confession to make, last night I bought two shirts at
the gap. I like them, and am wearing one now. Something has gone terribly
wrong. I think part of it is my natural change in fashion preferences, but
alot of it I'm sure is general pressure to conform, to look like the people
I work with, the people who pay me and whose respect I try to earn. The
hassle/novelty of being widely ridiculed and snickered at and disrespected
has grown old, and with it has gone my desire to dress strangely.

    It's a huge shame that people have to make assumptions about people
based on their fashion, their external appearances, but when that is your
sole basis for judgement, (when you have not met the person) and your brain
so desperate to judge and interperate everything around you, what are you to
do? I find myself judging people on appearances all the time and it drives
me nuts, I hate it, I think of when people did that to me, the nice guy, the
computer nerd who just happened to dress like he was more likely to try
sucking on your neck than shake your hand.

    I wish it were not this way, but this world really is about conforming,
about trying to identify with the people around you and to be identified as
one of them by the people you consider your social peers. This
identification unfortunately does not always work in reverse, properties
attributed to the group do not necassarily translate to a given individual
in this group, and that's what makes police profiling so terrible, is the
assumption of guilt of a crime known to be common in a social group based
upon identification as a member of that social group.

    ok, enough ranting from me. Summary: That sucks, yo.

Matt Murphy
sound.light.motion
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Subject: Re: [mw] very interesting article

On a similar note: when I walk into a gas station or party store during 
working hours, meaning I'm usually wearing a button-down shirt and tie, etc. 
I almost never get carded for cigarettes, and only occasionally beer. Fast 
forward to the weekend when I'm sporting some UFOs and a t-shirt, and I get 
carded EVERY TIME, I mean every time. And after looking at my ID, the clerk 
usually says something like "hey, you look a lot younger than that." Just 
goes to show you APPEARANCE IS EVERYTHING. I've learned to use it to my 
advantage.

>
>
> > http://www.raverx.com/template/featurestory.shtml
>
>this article does raise an interesting point, and profiling by police is
>an admitted problem in this country. i spent a good 4 or 5 years looking
>"raved-out" and noticed how people treated me; now i look somewhat normal
>(no oversized pants, tattoos or piercings, or shaved head) and enjoy being
>treated with more respect. not heaps of, just more. it is true that when
>people see someone looking like the stereotypical raver they make a lot of
>assumptions about lifestyle choices, especially drugs, and it's a relief
>to not have to fight that stereotype every day anymore. of course this
>raises another issue about the assumption existing in the first place, but
>i've pretty much given up and accepted the fact that no matter what we do
>raves and drugs will always be linked in the eyes of the public.
>
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Subject: Re: [mw] very interesting article

<< i spent a good 4 or 5 years looking
 > "raved-out" and noticed how people treated me; now i look somewhat normal
 > (no oversized pants, tattoos or piercings, or shaved head) and enjoy being
 > treated with more respect. not heaps of, just more. it is true that when
 > people see someone looking like the stereotypical raver they make a lot of
 > assumptions about lifestyle choices, especially drugs, and it's a relief
 > to not have to fight that stereotype every day anymore. of course this
 > raises another issue about the assumption existing in the first place, but
 > i've pretty much given up and accepted the fact that no matter what we do
 > raves and drugs will always be linked in the eyes of the public. >>

according to handsome matt...

"being a thug never goes out of style."

entro
fucking crooked, yo.

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<< i spent a good 4 or 5 years looking
 > "raved-out" and noticed how people treated me; now i look somewhat normal
 > (no oversized pants, tattoos or piercings, or shaved head) and enjoy being
 > treated with more respect. not heaps of, just more. it is true that when
 > people see someone looking like the stereotypical raver they make a lot of
 > assumptions about lifestyle choices, especially drugs, and it's a relief
 > to not have to fight that stereotype every day anymore. of course this
 > raises another issue about the assumption existing in the first place, but
 > i've pretty much given up and accepted the fact that no matter what we do
 > raves and drugs will always be linked in the eyes of the public. >>

according to handsome matt...

"being a thug never goes out of style."

entro
fucking crooked, yo.

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Subject: Re: [mw] Jesus Stole My Car!!!

Hey could you be sure to send this to the list 5 or 6 times and to me 
personally maybe 20 or 30 times? Thanks.

>
>That's right you heard it here first! It wasn't Buddha and it wasn't Allah 
>or
>even President Clinton. It was Jesus! I mean freak out! I never thought my
>life would end up this way, man. This is going to take months of fucking
>therapy!
>
>JESUS STOLE MY HOTROD
>
>Saturday, September 2nd 2000
>Indianapolis Indiana
>
>MIKE DEARBORN (Majesty/Chicago) Ever had your spinal cord ripped out while
>you were still alive? This is what Mike specializes in ... spinal cord
>trashing and techno hoe bashing. Check out his new mixed CD "Don't fuck 
>with
>the DJ" out late September.
>
>SLATER HOGAN (Muzique Boutique/Genius Insanity/Indy) To be completely
>prepared for this special set, Slater has spent the past 5 days locked in a
>sound proof room with nothing but a small stack of Austrian porno's and 2
>dozen bottles of Jack Daniels. Prepare to be moved in a very special way!
>
>NOTTY (BRB Productions/Indy)
>
>LEPPERBOY (Bullwinkles/B-Town)
>
>BAK*EDIT
>
>K RHYTHM
>
>We ask all of you to come and De-Virginize this new venue with us. Be very
>gentle please! Don't fuck shit up!
>
>10pm- 6am
>
>$10 before midnight
>$15 after midnight
>
>***FREE ELECTRIC INDIGO TAPES TO ANYONE WHO CAN HELP FIND MY HOTROD
>
>INFO:
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Subject: RE: [mw] bring to furthur


>well if you got any extra hardcore/jungle chicas...
>i'll be there with a big tent...
>if youknowhatimsayin.
>*nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink*


well, there are the other 2 girls i'm riding with...considering i will only 
be sharing my tent with one of them...come find us...we'll be near the 
massive system i'm sure...find a small blue dome tent with a big brown tarp 
over it...oh and lots of signs that say "i love ravers" with a cow skull...

dylan
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Subject: RE: [mw] very interesting article

on the opposite tip, audio depot didn't get their furthur tickets when the
web site said they should (not complaining, but they're on my way home from
work, so its an easy thing to just stop in and ask).  i did get a lot of
strange looks though, coming in several days in a row wearing white-collar
office work clothes instead of something ill-fitting or fuzzy.  i think they
were worried about exactly how much they should say to me about it. humph :p

it took showing up at a LOT of parties for people to not think i was a narc.
(heh, and now they just ask me for my homebrew GHB, right stevie? :p)

i went through the "look freaky" phase pretty early in life, and now i have
a lot more fun being strange than looking odd.

-t

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Subject: Re: [mw] very interesting article

On a similar note: when I walk into a gas station or party store during 
working hours, meaning I'm usually wearing a button-down shirt and tie, etc.

I almost never get carded for cigarettes, and only occasionally beer. Fast 
forward to the weekend when I'm sporting some UFOs and a t-shirt, and I get 
carded EVERY TIME, I mean every time. And after looking at my ID, the clerk 
usually says something like "hey, you look a lot younger than that." Just 
goes to show you APPEARANCE IS EVERYTHING. I've learned to use it to my 
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Subject: Re: [mw] very interesting article

When I dressed in full raver gear, I have been asked before I leave stores, 
to empty my pockets and to be patted down in the Empire mall of South 
Dakota.  Some people are really suspicious of people that dress diferently 
and associate them with anything but nice and caring people..

damn the man. :P

astrl


> > > http://www.raverx.com/template/featurestory.shtml
> >
> > this article does raise an interesting point, and profiling by police is
> > an admitted problem in this country. i spent a good 4 or 5 years looking
> > "raved-out" and noticed how people treated me; now i look somewhat 
>normal
> > (no oversized pants, tattoos or piercings, or shaved head) and enjoy 
>being
> > treated with more respect. not heaps of, just more. it is true that when
> > people see someone looking like the stereotypical raver they make a lot 
>of
> > assumptions about lifestyle choices, especially drugs, and it's a relief
> > to not have to fight that stereotype every day anymore. of course this
> > raises another issue about the assumption existing in the first place, 
>but
> > i've pretty much given up and accepted the fact that no matter what we 
>do
> > raves and drugs will always be linked in the eyes of the public.
>
>     I'd say I'm kinda semi-raved out these days, but pre-rave I was big 
>into
>industrial. Angry at the world and dressing appropriately, with hair that
>went to my shoulderblades, I got alot of disrespect from alot of people.
>Fargo was a living hell, I'd be followed around in stores (even though I
>probably had more money than the guy running the place) and given dirty
>looks by alot of stupid north dakotans. I cut my hair, ditched the
>steel-toed boots, started wearing sweaters and t-shirts that weren't black,
>and generally started to resemble, more and more all the time, some sort of
>respectable member of society.
>
>     I have a painful confession to make, last night I bought two shirts at
>the gap. I like them, and am wearing one now. Something has gone terribly
>wrong. I think part of it is my natural change in fashion preferences, but
>alot of it I'm sure is general pressure to conform, to look like the people
>I work with, the people who pay me and whose respect I try to earn. The
>hassle/novelty of being widely ridiculed and snickered at and disrespected
>has grown old, and with it has gone my desire to dress strangely.
>
>     It's a huge shame that people have to make assumptions about people
>based on their fashion, their external appearances, but when that is your
>sole basis for judgement, (when you have not met the person) and your brain
>so desperate to judge and interperate everything around you, what are you 
>to
>do? I find myself judging people on appearances all the time and it drives
>me nuts, I hate it, I think of when people did that to me, the nice guy, 
>the
>computer nerd who just happened to dress like he was more likely to try
>sucking on your neck than shake your hand.
>
>     I wish it were not this way, but this world really is about 
>conforming,
>about trying to identify with the people around you and to be identified as
>one of them by the people you consider your social peers. This
>identification unfortunately does not always work in reverse, properties
>attributed to the group do not necassarily translate to a given individual
>in this group, and that's what makes police profiling so terrible, is the
>assumption of guilt of a crime known to be common in a social group based
>upon identification as a member of that social group.
>
>     ok, enough ranting from me. Summary: That sucks, yo.
>
>Matt Murphy
>sound.light.motion
>murph@mr.net
>
>
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Subject: [mw] UC-Raves (and friends) Camp @ Furthur


As many of you may or may not know, Matt Demmon and I have had grand
schemes for the UC-Raves camp at Furthur this year. Unfortunately, our
plans got us
MOTHERFUCKING ARRESTED, and we will be facing some legal trouble for the
next couple months. However, we're not letting a small thing like theft
and criminal tresspassing keep us down. So, according to DropBass, UC is
setting up camp next
door to the massive crew, and we'll be sharing our huge pile of stolen
lumber with them in hopes of making a post-apocalyptic monument
reminiscent of some stucture right out of "Wheels of Fire". We'll be
flying our "Urbana Rave Army" flag proudly, so stop in and say "Hello",
sit back, enjoy an Old Style, and buy a copy of my (and matt's too) record
for only $4. Oh, and we'll have a megaphone too, we are planning on being
very loud.

-andrew

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Subject: Re: [mw] very interesting article


I'm somewhat of an anomaly in both the "raver" world and the business world 
- I have a very visible Monroe piercing, but I dress conservatively, even at 
parties.  I get more respect from the businesspeople than I do from the 
ravers, though, but that's something I definitely prefer.  I don't want to 
be an obvious raver... I'm at the point in my life where it's a bit 
embarassing.. I mean, I love it, but it's not the central focus of my life 
and I think people who are obviously "ravers" look pretty silly.  It's a 
weekend life, not a full-time profession.


-Ana

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This article makes me think of one word right now: 
SCAPEGOAT.  American society (at very least the high
standing conservative portion of it) is now pointing a
finger at ravers and our culture and using it to more
or less point out that our nations youth is once again
being corrupted.  Raves are an easy target for the
government to say: "These events and their horrific
drug use are part of whats corrupting our nations
youth."  Well frankly thats total bullshit as I am
sure most of you are aware.  Personally this article
annoys me and really wasnt worth the effort it made my
poor little modem go through.  As long as we keep the
love in our hearts and and the truth in our minds, the
party will never end.  end of story.

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> being corrupted.  Raves are an easy target for the
> government to say: "These events and their horrific
> drug use are part of whats corrupting our nations
> youth."  Well frankly thats total bullshit as I am
> sure most of you are aware.  Personally this article

yeah i am fully aware that the corruption of our nations youth
is what lead to the current state of modern raver gatherings.


> poor little modem go through.  As long as we keep the
> love in our hearts and and the truth in our minds, the
> party will never end.  end of story.

sorry...
i dont believe in truth
i dont believe in parties
and even if i did....i sure as hell would want them to end SOMETIME.
don't you sleep man?!

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Subject: Re: [mw] very interesting article

back when i used to dress liek a "raver" i was escorted out of FAO Swartz, 
for suspition of shoplifting, because i wouldnt allow them to search me when 
they demanded to

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: "astrl vapor" <astrlvapor@hotmail.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] very interesting article
>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:23:39 GMT
>
>When I dressed in full raver gear, I have been asked before I leave stores,
>to empty my pockets and to be patted down in the Empire mall of South
>Dakota.  Some people are really suspicious of people that dress diferently
>and associate them with anything but nice and caring people..
>
>damn the man. :P
>
>astrl
>
>
>> > > http://www.raverx.com/template/featurestory.shtml
>> >
>> > this article does raise an interesting point, and profiling by police 
>>is
>> > an admitted problem in this country. i spent a good 4 or 5 years 
>>looking
>> > "raved-out" and noticed how people treated me; now i look somewhat
>>normal
>> > (no oversized pants, tattoos or piercings, or shaved head) and enjoy
>>being
>> > treated with more respect. not heaps of, just more. it is true that 
>>when
>> > people see someone looking like the stereotypical raver they make a lot
>>of
>> > assumptions about lifestyle choices, especially drugs, and it's a 
>>relief
>> > to not have to fight that stereotype every day anymore. of course this
>> > raises another issue about the assumption existing in the first place,
>>but
>> > i've pretty much given up and accepted the fact that no matter what we
>>do
>> > raves and drugs will always be linked in the eyes of the public.
>>
>>     I'd say I'm kinda semi-raved out these days, but pre-rave I was big
>>into
>>industrial. Angry at the world and dressing appropriately, with hair that
>>went to my shoulderblades, I got alot of disrespect from alot of people.
>>Fargo was a living hell, I'd be followed around in stores (even though I
>>probably had more money than the guy running the place) and given dirty
>>looks by alot of stupid north dakotans. I cut my hair, ditched the
>>steel-toed boots, started wearing sweaters and t-shirts that weren't 
>>black,
>>and generally started to resemble, more and more all the time, some sort 
>>of
>>respectable member of society.
>>
>>     I have a painful confession to make, last night I bought two shirts 
>>at
>>the gap. I like them, and am wearing one now. Something has gone terribly
>>wrong. I think part of it is my natural change in fashion preferences, but
>>alot of it I'm sure is general pressure to conform, to look like the 
>>people
>>I work with, the people who pay me and whose respect I try to earn. The
>>hassle/novelty of being widely ridiculed and snickered at and disrespected
>>has grown old, and with it has gone my desire to dress strangely.
>>
>>     It's a huge shame that people have to make assumptions about people
>>based on their fashion, their external appearances, but when that is your
>>sole basis for judgement, (when you have not met the person) and your 
>>brain
>>so desperate to judge and interperate everything around you, what are you
>>to
>>do? I find myself judging people on appearances all the time and it drives
>>me nuts, I hate it, I think of when people did that to me, the nice guy,
>>the
>>computer nerd who just happened to dress like he was more likely to try
>>sucking on your neck than shake your hand.
>>
>>     I wish it were not this way, but this world really is about
>>conforming,
>>about trying to identify with the people around you and to be identified 
>>as
>>one of them by the people you consider your social peers. This
>>identification unfortunately does not always work in reverse, properties
>>attributed to the group do not necassarily translate to a given individual
>>in this group, and that's what makes police profiling so terrible, is the
>>assumption of guilt of a crime known to be common in a social group based
>>upon identification as a member of that social group.
>>
>>     ok, enough ranting from me. Summary: That sucks, yo.
>>
>>Matt Murphy
>>sound.light.motion
>>murph@mr.net
>>
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cool....what all did you manage to get?

joking, joking...

    -bill

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> back when i used to dress liek a "raver" i was escorted out of FAO Swartz,
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Subject: [mw] this thing in Wisconsin

So here I go.

I leave tonight to meet up with my girl in Chicago and then we're going to 
Further on Friday.

Insanity is going to take place somewhere deep in the woods and I can't 
wait.

I will be back in Chicago on Monday with no ride to Cincinnati.

Cool.

Go greayhound, we love to fly, something... i don't know.

Is anyone from the Cincinnati area even going?

Suckers. They're all going to the three different raves taking place in 
Cincy on the same weekend. These parties will have thin crowds and stale 
vibes, guaranteed. There two on Saturday and one on Sunday in the same City. 
This isn't Chicago.

Take a look at what has been going on lately.

Put all these parties together, times them by one hundered, and they still 
won't come remotely close to the experience to be had at Further.

Okay, i'm done now.

-r

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anyone got the inside scoop here?
is there gonna be a lake/river/ocean/sea/stream/creek/waterfall/sewage
processing plant at further?
any body of water larger than my bathtub?


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    Plenty of water, don't worry, you'll like it...

Matt Murphy
sound.light.motion
murph@mr.net

> anyone got the inside scoop here?
> is there gonna be a lake/river/ocean/sea/stream/creek/waterfall/sewage
> processing plant at further?
> any body of water larger than my bathtub?



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>Plenty of water, don't worry, you'll like it...

is the water fishful, and suitable for fishing?

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If memory serves me correctly, that water is pretty nasty.  Don't worry,
tho, I've got a massive super soaker (CPS3200-the one with the backpack)
that I'd be happy to drench you with.


Tom

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>
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>anyone got the inside scoop here?
>is there gonna be a lake/river/ocean/sea/stream/creek/waterfall/sewage
>processing plant at further?
>any body of water larger than my bathtub?

there'll be a bucket full of pee, I know that much!
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> >Plenty of water, don't worry, you'll like it...
> 
> is the water fishful, and suitable for fishing?

    Hehe, no idea...

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Subject: Re: [mw] furder

that should please stuntrock, i'm sure.


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> 
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> there'll be a bucket full of pee, I know that much!
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    Based on the fact that it's wisconsin, he's probably right... bring your
suits but don't get too upset if it's not exactly bathing water...

Matt Murphy
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> If memory serves me correctly, that water is pretty nasty.  Don't worry,
> tho, I've got a massive super soaker (CPS3200-the one with the backpack)
> that I'd be happy to drench you with.
>
> >     Plenty of water, don't worry, you'll like it...



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murph@mr.net writes:

<< > anyone got the inside scoop here?
 > is there gonna be a lake/river/ocean/sea/stream/creek/waterfall/sewage
 > processing plant at further?
 > any body of water larger than my bathtub? >>

um, tony will be pissin in capsules & sellin it as ghb!

that should give u some liquid pleasures!

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Subject: Re: [mw] furder

and speaking of pleasing...

yor sister knows how to please me...it's time you learn too


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>that should please stuntrock, i'm sure.
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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< i went through the "look freaky" phase pretty early in life, and now i have
 a lot more fun being strange than looking odd. >>

bahahahaha!

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I love that song!  woo!

Thank god for stunt rock.

> yor sister knows how to please me...it's time you learn too


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oooh, i got it - 

coming soon: 
an automated reply webform to stevie t emails.

for those occasions where you want to send a response but don't feel like
stooping to his level.   partially randomly generated (like stevie
himself!), but strangely always appropriate.  

-t

ps - did anyone ever find pictures of him?  i still want copies.  

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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< i went through the "look freaky" phase pretty early in life, and now i
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anybody know where i could find a pill press??? i need one to shit in so i
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I am not going to Furthur!

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This is something created by my friend Norm.
I think you guys will like it. :)

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Subject: Re: [mw] very interesting article

one of those big giant pianos like in "big"
i had on HUGE pants

-THE bitch iySyS-


>From: "William Bunyan" <wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com>
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>cool....what all did you manage to get?
>
>joking, joking...
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>
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> > back when i used to dress liek a "raver" i was escorted out of FAO 
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>
>Put all these parties together, times them by one hundered, and they still
>won't come remotely close to the experience to be had at Further.

yes we know this randy but thanks for rubbing it in our fuckin faces that we 
are broke and cant afford to go

jackass !!

;-)

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I just want to see this Stevie T guy. Maybe some of you out there will beat him up..or better yet be his buddy.

I dunno if I'm going' ta Furd Her

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I just want to see this Stevie T guy. Maybe some of you out there will beat him up..or better yet be his buddy.

I dunno if I'm going' ta Furd Her

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In a message dated 08/30/2000 8:48:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
micah.topping-eds@eds.com writes:

> well if you got any extra hardcore/jungle chicas...
>  i'll be there with a big tent...
>  if youknowhatimsayin.
>  *nudge* *nudge* *wink* *wink*
>  micah

MICAH HAS COOTIES, screw him, come look at my tits, they're the best act at 
furthur!
love, laura

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In a message dated 08/30/2000 4:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
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<< oooh, i got it - 
 
 coming soon: 
 an automated reply webform to stevie t emails.
 
 for those occasions where you want to send a response but don't feel like
 stooping to his level.   partially randomly generated (like stevie
 himself!), but strangely always appropriate.   >>

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!   

*sigh*   I needed that

 - Soniq

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Subject: [mw] nice weather this weekend?

http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/54615.html

we'll see...
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OneBadDJ@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 08/30/2000 4:34:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> tony@sebion.com writes:
>
> << oooh, i got it -
>
>  coming soon:
>  an automated reply webform to stevie t emails.
>
>  for those occasions where you want to send a response but don't feel like
>  stooping to his level.   partially randomly generated (like stevie
>  himself!), but strangely always appropriate.   >>
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Just make a perl script that grabs random lexical quotations from
www.williamcooper.com or www.a-albionic.com and then weaves
them in as responses to various paragraphs in the Stevie T post.

Either that or hack that old unix nasty.c program that was floating
around a few years ago that generates random raunchy paragraphs
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>
>MICAH HAS COOTIES, screw him, come look at my tits, they're the best act at
>furthur!
>

it is done...i will be checking out your tits at furthur...

dylan
aka
tranerek

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From mw-raves-return-6530-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Aug 30 22:02:48 2000
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In a message dated 08/30/2000 5:57:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ddorrell@hotmail.com writes:

> it is done...i will be checking out your tits at furthur...
>  
>  dylan
>  aka
>  tranerek

the official showing of my tits will be immediately following douglas wayne 
(aka varsha)'s  demonstration of what exactly those strappy thingys on ufo's 
are for.
for time/location email me privately. for a private showing, see me at 
furthur with the appropriate ammount of mead* and a good chunk of pocket 
change (i need to make rent) and we will make arrangements accordingly.
thank you, 
the management of laura's tits

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This years further is going to fucking rawk!!
Not because of the lineup (its OK, but actually I was
a bit disapointed when I saw it)

The reason this is going to kick ass, is 2 things.
First of all this summer, party wise, has sucked a
monkey's ass.  The one party that would have been
great (DEMF, if its a party, which I'm pretty sure it
wasn't from what I heard about it), I didn't get to go
to.
The second thing is...a bunch of the crazyest fuckers
that I know and don't get to see that often, are all
going to massivly converge in one place that weekend. 
Now how much better can life be?


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Subject: Re: [mw] pika-mullet

Oh my god, that's the funniest shit i've seen all week!


>From: Nick Hadaway <nick@hyperreal.org>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 13:57:01 -0700 (PDT)
>
>This is something created by my friend Norm.
>I think you guys will like it. :)
>
>Love,
>   Nick
><< pokemullet.jpg >>
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Ted Weinberg <te_one@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>||when i see a girl in huge pants and a hoody (or maybe a tank top)
dancing liquid to any
||number of styles, i'm instantly in love.  =


||it's so beautiful because it's not what you see, but what you know is t=
here

 What I know is there? Maybe it means you have something in common as far=
 as
taste in
music/fashion or other such superficial things, but I don't think it indi=
cates
much beyond that.<<<<<<<

uhh, you kind of missed my point completely.  perhaps i'm a little too
superficial for your tastes, but when i say "what you know is there" i'm
referring to her body.  i think baggy clothes show off a girl's body bett=
er
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Subject: [mw] NRR:: consensual hallucination

so last night some friends and I got to talking about love & relationship crap, and i was reminded
of the thread on mw-raves from a few weeks ago. someone pointed out that no matter what you may be
into, there's probably some other compatible soul out there somewhere who shares whatever little
quirks or fetishes or whatever.. yeh, great, how heartwarming - and good for us freaks. well that
turned into us wondering whether this is a natural process, which in turn lead to an even more
pointless discussion about various pets we've owned that appeared to be gay.. goofy shit to
discuss while smoking blunts, or something. this reached the apex of absurdity with someone
stating that somewhere, there's a transgendered turtle trying to hatch a nest full of rocks, and
that our own pathetic sex lives were the stuff of penthouse letters by comparison.

then i was reminded of a poem which i think sums this topic up quite nicely. here it is:

 "The Bagpipe Who Didn't say No"

it was nine o'clock at midnight at a quarter after three
when a turtle met a bagpipe on the shoreside by the sea,
and the turtle said "my dearie,
may i sit with you? i'm weary."
and the bagpipe didn't say no.

said the turtle to the bagpipe "i have walked this lonely shore,
i have talked to waves and pebbles-but i've never loved before.
will you marry me today, dear?
is it 'no' you're going to say, dear?"
but the bagpipe didn't say no.

said the turtle to his darling "please excuse me if i stare,
but you have the plaidest skin, dear,
and you have the strangest hair.
if i begged you pretty-please, love,
could i give you just one squeeze, love?"
and the bagpipe didn't say no.

said the turtle to the bagpipe, "ah, you love me. then confess!
let me whisper in your dainty ear and hold you to my chest."
and he cuddled her and teased her
and so lovingly he squeezed her.
and the bagpipe said "aaooga."

said the turtle to the bagpipe, "did you honk or bray or neigh?
for 'aooga' when you're kissed is such a heartless thing to say.
is it that i have offended?
is it that our love is ended?"
and the bagpipe didn't say no.

said the turtle to the bagpipe "shall i leave you, darling wife?
shall i waddle off to woedom? shall i crawl out of your life?
shall i move, depart and go, dear-
oh, i beg you tell me 'no' dear!"
but the bagpipe didn't say no.

so the turtle crept off crying and he ne'er came back no more,
and he left the bagpipe lying on that smooth and sandy shore.
and some night when tide is low there,
just walk up and say "hello, there"
and politely ask the bagpipe if this story's really so.
i assure you, darling children, that the bagpipe won't say "no".


                            -Shel Silverstein




   

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see above.

other than that; cute is cheap. it tends to decrease at an exponential rate when engaging in
conversation. 

i kinda like clothes that fit, myself. it doesn't have to look trashy..

i agree on the make-up thing for the most part.. again, it's a style thing.










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Subject: Re: [mw] bring to furthur

well...

one thing i wouldn't worry about bringing is a way home.

you can only truly appreciate Furthur when you have no clue how you are 
getting home.

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danny, you always have a way home...
oh, btw, i still have the key to your backdoor from even futrthur last year...
I LOVE YOU!
laura

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>danny, you always have a way home...
>oh, btw, i still have the key to your backdoor from even futrthur last year...

then why is it on my keychain?

oh yeah

rodent*star titties


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In a message dated 08/30/2000 8:42:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
amy@pimpdaddywelfare.com writes:

> hen why is it on my keychain?

its not, i gave you the wrong key oOps*

>  oh yeah
>  
>  rodent*star titties
and it was either  his girlfriend or his mom,  and you know how i feel about 
mom jokes...
get over it.

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On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 09:36:35PM +0000, Jason Clark wrote:
> http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/54615.html

OK, if that ZIP code is correct, then I propose a netmeet at the giant
mouse and moose.  :)

http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/partypix/vhnsign.jpg 

That's a good example of kickin it at the mouse.

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> On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 09:36:35PM +0000, Jason Clark wrote:
> > http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/54615.html
> 
> OK, if that ZIP code is correct, then I propose a netmeet at the giant
> mouse and moose.  :)
> 
> http://www.pubnix.org/~jes/partypix/vhnsign.jpg 
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> That's a good example of kickin it at the mouse.

    And where exactly is the mouse & moose???

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> 
> na na na na na na na na fishing
> 

na na na na na na na na na BATMAN!!!
i mean.... LEADER!!
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darwin writes:

<< yeah, well a dirty sanchez in my book is when you shove your thumb and your
 finger in someone's butt then draw a mexican mustache on her lip with the
 "residue"!!
 
 Ask Cunningham, he's the pro at this stuff... >>

hey tony, weren't u sportin one of these at last years further?

no wonder that poor dog kept yelpin dat night!

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  How about tomorrow between 1pm and 130pm EST everyone clears the room so that we can get the Ops status going again.

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<<  How about tomorrow between 1pm and 130pm EST everyone clears the room so 
that we can get the Ops status going again.
 
 Just an idea
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shawne..  
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nope. I just miss those whacky quotes from the bot. Which by the way I think should be changed to "op me cuz i'm an e-tard."

shawne



On Thursday, August 31, 2000 at 12:14:42 AM EDT, TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 8/30/00 10:13:11 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
> shawne@zoomtown.com writes:
> 
> <<  How about tomorrow between 1pm and 130pm EST everyone clears the room so 
> that we can get the Ops status going again.
>  
>  Just an idea
>  shawne >>
> 
> 
> 
> shawne..  
> you op whore
> 
> line 3
> line 4 
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What happened to the bot that was protecting ops?  Anyone considered
registering the chan?... or can you do that on efnet?

I can run a bot (or backup bot, for that matter) if necessary...

-MikeY!

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, shawne wrote:

>   
>   How about tomorrow between 1pm and 130pm EST everyone clears the room so that we can get the Ops status going again.
> 
> Just an idea
> shawne
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From mw-raves-return-6548-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Aug 31 03:41:14 2000
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as far as I can tell efnet went thro a massive netsplit that lasted for days. Don't quote me tho.


shawne



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> 
> What happened to the bot that was protecting ops?  Anyone considered
> registering the chan?... or can you do that on efnet?
> 
> I can run a bot (or backup bot, for that matter) if necessary...
> 
> -MikeY!
> 
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, shawne wrote:
> 
> >   
> >   How about tomorrow between 1pm and 130pm EST everyone clears the room so that we can get the Ops status going again.
> > 
> > Just an idea
> > shawne
> > 
> > 
> > --- - -
> > http://www.mw-raves.org  
> > 
> 
> 
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Hmm... how hard would it be to get everyone to switch to undernet? 

*laugh*

-MikeY!

On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Luke Rider wrote:

> Not on EFnet.  Eris Free network.  All hail Discordia.
> 
> Bot did what it could.  EFnet's been a mess for the last week or so, ever
> channel I'm in has lost ops a few times.  Servers split, die, all ops on
> that side are gone.  Repeat.  Half life of channel ops is approximately 3
> hours.
> 
> Huzzah for IRC.
> 
> I want to go to further.  Now.
> --
> Luke Rider
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> 
> 
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Mike Hunter wrote:
> 
> > 
> > What happened to the bot that was protecting ops?  Anyone considered
> > registering the chan?... or can you do that on efnet?
> > 
> > I can run a bot (or backup bot, for that matter) if necessary...
> > 
> > -MikeY!
> > 
> > On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, shawne wrote:
> > 
> > >   
> > >   How about tomorrow between 1pm and 130pm EST everyone clears the room so that we can get the Ops status going again.
> > > 
> > > Just an idea
> > > shawne
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- - -
> > > http://www.mw-raves.org  
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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From mw-raves-return-6550-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Aug 31 04:33:42 2000
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may i suggest a small padlock of some kind for your tent? i recall
numerous thefts in previous years. not to sound like a paranoid
freak. just better safe than sorry.

love,
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From mw-raves-return-6551-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Aug 31 04:34:21 2000
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Subject: [mw] further shite

food
tent
grill
sunscreen
plenty of water
sleeping bag
air mattress if ya got one
candles/tiki torches
flashlight
radio
waterguns
bug spray
camera
film
extra clothes (it probably will rain)
warm clothes (it might get cold at night)
towel if you want to shower
tarp
lawn chairs
pillow
sandals for showers
first aid shite (there will be a tent, but....)
bathroom shite
toilet paper


.....anything else?


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haha undernet sucks.  well i am on the efnet all day it would be kind of gay 
being on both undernet and efnet.  but yea lately there has been massive net 
splits on the efnet and lots of other  channels has lost ops.  may be if 
people did not just idie for weeks we could keep ops.  i think there should 
be more then one bot in there.  And i think vhn is lost in some trance world 
or something cuz the bot is lost.  

antsrkool on the efnet
in #mw.raves #gabber #jungle #rave

alan 

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From mw-raves-return-6553-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Aug 31 06:09:31 2000
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does anyone know of software to do acoustic modeling, it doesnt have to
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<< na na na na na na na na na BATMAN!!!
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>haha undernet sucks.  well i am on the efnet all day it would be kind of gay 
>being on both undernet and efnet.  but yea lately there has been massive net 
>splits on the efnet and lots of other  channels has lost ops.  may be if 
>people did not just idie for weeks we could keep ops.  i think there should 
>be more then one bot in there.  And i think vhn is lost in some trance world 
>or something cuz the bot is lost.  

adam took vhn out of there so we don't have to listen to "op me cos i'm
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From mw-raves-return-6556-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Aug 31 12:24:15 2000
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shawne wrote:

>
>   How about tomorrow between 1pm and 130pm EST everyone clears the room so that we can get the Ops status going again.
>
> Just an idea
> shawne
>
> --- - -
> http://www.mw-raves.org

Ahh.. just crash the Internet on the entire Eastern seaboard with a
massive denial of service attack.. then you can get ops back!

IRC is the chat network where people will crash entire backbones,
university networks, ISPs, large corporate lans, etc. just to get
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  No way can that be the right Zip Code.  Can it?  I
though it Furthur was going to be 1 hour from Chicago.
 Black River Falls is 4 hours on average.  I've never
made it there in less that 3h20m   but if I'm wrong
and Furthur isn't an hour from Chicago and that Zip is
correct belive me you will know the giant moose when
you see it.  It is huge and orange.  Trust me you'll
find it.  The moose would be perfect to meet at.  I
will see you kidds this weekend.  Please look for the
girl with the 2 pink streaks in her hair and be kind
and say hello :)  Thanks and have a spiffy day.

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>   No way can that be the right Zip Code.  Can it?

That's the right zip code....



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> see me at 
> furthur with the appropriate ammount of mead* and a good 
> chunk of pocket 
> change (i need to make rent) and we will make arrangements 
> accordingly.
> thank you, 
> the management of laura's tits


no really everyone, she isn't kidding.  BRING MEAD if you are gonna be
exposed to Laura's tits.
no one needs to go through that sober.
no one.

cooties this mutherfucker
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The people of Black River Falls aren't that happy about Further 
happening in their town.  There was at least one article in the local 
paper, trying to rally people against it from what I understand. 
Furthermore, the local rednecks are expected to be out in force, 
hopefully security will take care of them as they plan in sneaking in 
and causing trouble.  Be careful and have a good time..

How do I know this?  I know several people from Black River Falls and 
Further is the talk of the town..
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At 8:08 AM -0500 8/21/2000, Brzykcy Robert wrote:

>DR-110 analog drum machine: Heavily modded, retrofitted with din sync, knobs
>galore, only one of its kind, knob features similiar to 808, truly *nasty*
>hats! $100

What's this thing about?  Do you still have it?  Just curious..
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anyone have access to this (or other) articles and wanna scan it or type 'em
in so we all can read them?

-t

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There was at least one article in the local 
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>The people of Black River Falls aren't that happy about Further
>happening in their town.  There was at least one article in the local
>paper, trying to rally people against it from what I understand.
>Furthermore, the local rednecks are expected to be out in force,
>hopefully security will take care of them as they plan in sneaking in
>and causing trouble.  Be careful and have a good time..

AWESOME.

just when i thought it was gonna be a boring weekend!

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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 05:46:25 -0700 (PDT), Julie Kubik wrote:

>  No way can that be the right Zip Code.  Can it?  I
>though it Furthur was going to be 1 hour from Chicago.
> Black River Falls is 4 hours on average.  



The flyer specifically says:

"...location is equidistant from Milwaukee-Madison-Minneapolis-Chicago-Fox Valley +/-1 hour..."

Meaning that it is ALMOST the same distance from each city,
give or take an hour.  I don't care if Furthur were on the other
side of the fucking planet, it'd still be worth the trip.  

Quit whining and go have fun.  ;)

	- Joe


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> adam took vhn out of there so we don't have to listen to "op me cos i'm
> lame" over and over again.  

no, atom was too lazy to get up and do it so *i* booted vhn so the
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More Furthur weather:

Friday:
Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of 
showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the middle 80s.  
 
Friday Night and Saturday:
A chance of showers and thunderstorms.
Lows 65 to 70. Highs 85 to 90.  

Sunday:
Partly cloudy. Lows 65 to 70. Highs 85 to 90.  

Labor Day:
A chance of showers and thunderstorms. 
Lows 65 to 70. Highs 85 to 90.  

http://www.wunderground.com/US/WI/Black_River_Falls.html


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http://www.blackriverfalls.com/cgi-bin/calendar/calendar.pl?Month=9&Year=200
0&config=calendar.cfg

by the looks of this, we have the choices of joining the Ho-Chunk Nation in
a Pow Wow (i laughed @ the way they have it written, "Pow Wow Ho - Chunk
Nation") and going to the Giant Flea Market in Hatfield.

Best of all, we could form the mw-raves softball team and compete in the
Jerry Lewis Telethon Softball Tournament in Millston.

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Subject: [mw] Re: dammit...furthur problems...

i am fucked.

my van broke down AGAIN, and now i'm stranded in indy with no way to get to
furthur.

so you all will have to forgo seeing laura's boobs till ya come to indy, i
guess.

grr.
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  Now I feel really stupid.  I used to know how to
read honest.  What can I say hook on foniks does
nothing for comprehension  :)   
  I am not whinning.  I was actually excited about the
location.  I couldn't belive that I could be so lucky
to have it someplace so familiar.  Now I know I won't
get lost on my way there at least.  now finding the
actual site may be tricky but I hope to have a
competent navigator.  And I can visit my family while
there because they live in Black River Falls.  To bad
I can't leave and then come back after I've entered. 
I would make a drive to anywhere on the continent to
go to Furthur.  I was just very happy that the event
may be held in what is for me familiar ground.  Now
you can see some of the beautiful ladnscape that I was
talking about Black River Falls having if anyone
ventures down the river.  See you all there.  
  btw. do we really want to try to meet by the moose. 
well anyone who will be there early or we could all
have a last meal together at Perkins before leaving
for home on Monday.

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events@dynamicgroove.com writes:

<< Friday Night and Saturday:
 A chance of showers and thunderstorms. >>

eew, showers and thunderstorms again (typical further tradition)?!

hehe, who pissed the Rave God off?!

actually i might be missin out, cuz my cru (the porn cru) and jack's
house productions might be doin a li'l hot tub party either this
weekend or next...not sure yet...depends on when they can finish
installin the hot tub...

so while mother nature shows you who's boss, i'll be kickin it in da
hot tub w/ some rave chicas the way the good Lord intended them
to be viewed back in da day...in their birthday suits!!  = D 

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> hehe, who pissed the Rave God off?!

    All those other crappy campout parties this year.

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it makes my day to know that the messiah likes to hang with raver chicks all
nekid in hot tubs :p

if i was involved with a church, this would definitely be the topic of the
next scheduled bible study meeting.

-t

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i'll be kickin it in da
hot tub w/ some rave chicas the way the good Lord intended them
to be viewed back in da day...in their birthday suits!!  = D 

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Alright now that i have your attention...

LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE TICKETS ARE NOW ON SALE AT ALL TICKET OUTLETS!!!!!!

Sorry that its a couple of days late, but they are now on sale in all
stores.

Online ticket sales will start begining of next week at
www.groovetickets.com

TICKET PRICES:

$25 until september 23rd
$27 from sept 23rd - sept 29th
$30 day of the event and on the door.

TICKET OUTLETS:
BEWARE OF FORGERIES
Buy tickets only from these stores
($1 surcharge at some locations)
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>if i was involved with a church, this would definitely be the topic of the
>next scheduled bible study meeting.
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Haha, I'm a minister (http://www.ulc.org or something like that, a few years 
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I've been trying to find out if "Wisconsin Death Trip" 
is available on DVD.  We will have a mini-theatre with
a video projector and a huge Dolby Digital sound system. 
I was hoping to be able to show it since we'll be in the 
area where it takes place and was filmed.  Unfortunately,
it doesn't appear to have been released on video yet.  =(

If anyone has this on Video, legit, or bootleg - especially
on DVD, please bring it and we will show it !!!  (Let me know
what format too, because as of now I am -not- bringing a VCR)

Or, better yet, if you can direct me where to buy it on DVD,
it would be great !

If you know nothing about it, and are wondering what the
hell I am talking about, go to:

http://www.wisconsindeathtrip.com/

	- Joe


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bah, i'm one too, i signed up while i was in high school (it must've been
around 87 or 88). I had the ID card, but didn't pay for the laminated one.
Cheap teenage high school student-minister.

now if only there was an organization where you could register as a messiah,
one of the many "one true savior"s.

hehehe, ooh, that sorta sounds like another great idea.
http://www.onetruesavior.com

that's it, i don't even need stevie t to tell me that i'm going to hell.

i am going to need to quit my job to actually work on any of these i
think... if only my life wasn't so entrenched w/ the daily duties of someone
supporting the illuminati's conspiracies... then i could be unemployed and
hang out on AOL all day.

-t

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Haha, I'm a minister (http://www.ulc.org or something like that, a few years

ago it was really really funny), it could be arranged...


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your rig is a projector, right?

so the packer game on sunday afternoon is prolly not possible?

    -bill
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> 
> I've been trying to find out if "Wisconsin Death Trip" 
> is available on DVD.  We will have a mini-theatre with
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> I was hoping to be able to show it since we'll be in the 
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> it doesn't appear to have been released on video yet.  =(
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> it would be great !
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> If you know nothing about it, and are wondering what the
> hell I am talking about, go to:
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> http://www.wisconsindeathtrip.com/
> 
> - Joe
> 
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> _________________________
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> Dynamic Groove Entertainment
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 11:01:14 -0500, William Bunyan wrote:

>your rig is a projector, right?
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>so the packer game on sunday afternoon is prolly not possible?
>


Definitely NOT.

1) No TV tuner.
2) Projectors don't work in the daylight.
3) Watching Pro Football is a stupid waste of time.


Unfortunately, I have been informed by
the producer of "Wisconsin Death Trip"
that it has NOT yet been released on video.  =(

	- Joe


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> so the packer game on sunday afternoon is prolly not possible?  

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>
>hehehe, ooh, that sorta sounds like another great idea.
>http://www.onetruesavior.com
>

LOL.

>that's it, i don't even need stevie t to tell me that i'm going to hell.
>i am going to need to quit my job to actually work on any of these i
>think... if only my life wasn't so entrenched w/ the daily duties of 
>someone
>supporting the illuminati's conspiracies... then i could be unemployed and
>hang out on AOL all day.


Or you could get a job like me as a crack addiction research subject...

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Subject: [mw] catch ya on the flipside. yoh.

all:
  well, I am cuttin outta work early, and leaving at exactly "too fuckin
early in the morning" o clock tomorrow
for the 11 hour drive to further.
so i wont be back to the list till tuesday.

I will see you all there, if we make it....


/me is hella excited about goin further...


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Subject: [mw] The "scene"


What do you feel about the rave "scene"?


The list has been kind of boring lately and outside of pissing off Stevie T 
we need some sort of decent discussion.


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Subject: [mw] furthur...good lord almighty!!!

12 hours...12 FUCKING hours...

this will be the longest i have driven for a party in quite some time... it 
takes less time to drive to denver colorado from here...geez...and in a 
small car...I couldn't ask for more...

anybody drivin longer than 12 hrs to get there?!?!?!

/me is gonna br ready to rave when he gets to wisconsin...

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Subject: Re: [mw] furthur...good lord almighty!!!


>anybody drivin longer than 12 hrs to get there?!?!?!

i'm driving a little more than 2 hours.

ha!

btw... even though we already all know where it is, have directions been 
officially posted anywhere?

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Subject: Re: [mw] furthur...good lord almighty!!!


On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, dylan dorrell wrote:

> 12 hours...12 FUCKING hours...
> 
> this will be the longest i have driven for a party in quite some time... it 
> takes less time to drive to denver colorado from here...geez...and in a 
> small car...I couldn't ask for more...
> 
> anybody drivin longer than 12 hrs to get there?!?!?!


Not quite... 8 or 9 hours here... where are you coming from?



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> 
> Not quite... 8 or 9 hours here... where are you coming from?
> 
 
<responding to own post again...>

ahh shite... i just looked up directions on yahoo and it's looking like
11-12 hours for me... o jeez...

http://maps.yahoo.com/py/ddResults.py?Pyt=Tmap&tarname=&tardesc=&newname=&newdesc=&newHash=&newTHash=&tlt=&tln=&slt=&sln=&newFL=Use+Address+Below&newaddr=&newcsz=43215&newcountry=us&newTFL=Use+Address+Below&newtaddr=&newtcsz=54615&newtcountry=us&Get%A0Directions=Get+Directions

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Subject: Re: [mw] furthur...good lord almighty!!!

i haven't checked the info lines...its not on the page...i got my direx 
e-mailed to me by the guy running the renegade system i'm playing on...

dylan


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>
>>anybody drivin longer than 12 hrs to get there?!?!?!
>
>i'm driving a little more than 2 hours.
>
>ha!
>
>btw... even though we already all know where it is, have directions been 
>officially posted anywhere?
>
>chris
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From mw-raves-return-6589-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Aug 31 18:12:16 2000
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You are such a fucking rock.

>
>
> > adam took vhn out of there so we don't have to listen to "op me cos i'm
> > lame" over and over again.
>
>no, atom was too lazy to get up and do it so *i* booted vhn so the
>bitchass would stop whining.
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> You are such a fucking rock.

oh goody, i'm so glad we all understand that.


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On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 09:40:06AM -0400, jes wrote:
> no, atom was too lazy to get up and do it so *i* booted vhn so the
> bitchass would stop whining.

Sure you did.  /me pats jes on the head. Sure you did.

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On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 10:52:16AM -0500, Dynamic Groove wrote:
> I've been trying to find out if "Wisconsin Death Trip" 
> is available on DVD.  We will have a mini-theatre with
> a video projector and a huge Dolby Digital sound system. 
> I was hoping to be able to show it since we'll be in the 
> area where it takes place and was filmed.  Unfortunately,
> it doesn't appear to have been released on video yet.  =(

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On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 09:09:32AM -0500, Tony Sebion wrote:
> by the looks of this, we have the choices of joining the Ho-Chunk Nation in
> a Pow Wow (i laughed @ the way they have it written, "Pow Wow Ho - Chunk
> Nation") and going to the Giant Flea Market in Hatfield.

We need to see if we can weasel them into giving all of us their
"campers get a $10 certificate to the Majestic Pines Casion" deal.  I
say we hit the Blackjack tables.  :)

That and make them let us use their paddle boats.

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> Sure you did.  /me pats jes on the head. Sure you did.

hmph. at least i wasn't too lazy to walk a block and a half to shut the
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I bet you wouldn't have walked a block and a half to do it.

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> I bet you wouldn't have walked a block and a half to do it.

i wouldn't walk a block and a half to do your mom.

ok this thread should probably die right here.

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    ??? As in Lenin, the communist leader???

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> ??? As in Lenin, the communist leader???

why yes.  If there was another Vladimir Ilyich Lenin who played any role in music or politics, I certainly would like to know.

Given the notorious passion of Russians towards secrecy and obscuring the truth, I don't really see why you're surprised.

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Coming soon to a rave near you, "Hitler-the Man with the Paintbrush."


Tom

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>Coming soon to a rave near you, "Hitler-the Man with the Paintbrush."

hitler actually was a painter... he did crappy watercolor postcards and 
mathematical perspective drawings of farmhouses.

i was unaware of lenin's history as a guitarist though.  i am eager to be 
educated this weekend though!

someone bring me some videos of yakov smirnov standup routines too, please.  
we can watch them on joe's projector.  what a country!

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Joe I do want to talk to you so hit me back at kasjogren@hotmail.com

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i'm coming from kc...which in itself is only like 10 hrs or something... but 
i am going via St Louis to pick up some friends...mappoint says from StL it 
is 8 hrs 53 minutes...which added to the 4 hrs it takes to get to StL from 
KC makes the trip a grand total of 12hrs and 53 minutes...UGH!!

dylan


>From: Mike Hunter <mhunter@knox.net>
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>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 13:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
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>ahh shite... i just looked up directions on yahoo and it's looking like
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    You pussy! Whatever happened to cellular remote admin??? You got your
fancy-pants laptop and everything... You should at least stick around for a
while on saturday...

                    Having fun without you,

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Tom Sprynczynatyk wrote:

> Coming soon to a rave near you, "Hitler-the Man with the Paintbrush."

Nah... unearth some old evidence of Hitler's brief career with the
accordion!  That would be a tribute.

"This year's Furthur theme: The Fuhrer's Lost Polka Years!"



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Subject: [mw] Ragga track ID

Can y'all help me ID a track?  It's from a Nikki Blackmarket mix (at
Timewarp) & I think it's from Congo Natty.  It starts out "The
revolution...has now begun...freedom"


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Subject: [mw] NRR: Fury.com: AOLiza

Someone hooked a simple pseudo-AI robot up to an AOL instant
messenger client and let it sit online.

People tried to netsex it, thought it was a family member,
etc...  Some people talked to a perl script for hours over
a span of several days about relationship problems.

Funny shit.

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even furthur directions are up!

http://dropbass.net

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I was just wondering if anyone knew of some good companies that do CD 
reproduction, without a minimum order (and if you knew prices).  I'm looking 
to mix up a double promo CD this week, and I need someone to duplicate them 
for me, and hopefully have them looking somewhat professional.

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Subject: [mw] your destination station

check it out folks:  http://www.jamboree-campground.com/

work-it- mother f&*#$er

On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 16:28:59 -0500 Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com> writes:
> even furthur directions are up!

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my boobs will be lonely without yall....
sorry, the venga bus is dead and we wont be going ANYWHERE this weekend, much 
less furthur....
save me some mead.....
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Well, since almost the only way to get ops back is to clear off the
channel,
everyone who's going to furthur be sure not to leave anything on the
channel
over the weekend and the non-furthur-going people will get ops back.



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i heard there's a 3-day rave somewhere in wisconsin this weekend? is anyone going? 
i think it's called "farther" and i hear there'll be lots of beer and tits. 

tits are like, really cool.

 



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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< i am going to need to quit my job to actually work on any of these i
 think... if only my life wasn't so entrenched w/ the daily duties of someone
 supporting the illuminati's conspiracies... then i could be unemployed and
 hang out on AOL all day. >>

actually i just got some part time work...i'm workin for a professional
painter/carpenter company...it's actually payin pretty well...i'm avergagin'
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a professional painter/carpenter?  hmm, that almost sounds like someone that
might be a freemason.  are you switching sides?

then again, the messiah is working for a carpenter.  that kinda makes sense.

-t


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te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< i heard there's a 3-day rave somewhere in wisconsin this weekend? is 
anyone going? 
 i think it's called "farther" and i hear there'll be lots of beer and tits. 
 
 tits are like, really cool. >>

i think you've been hangin with crack head chris ege too 
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Subject: [mw] ACTIV8 - last night, next two weeks

I just wanted to thank anyone on these lists who came out last night to 
support Activ8.  A great time seemed to be had by all, great vibe, a lot of 
smiles.  Much love to our guest DJ's for the night, DJ Sugar and JJ Boogie.  
For those who missed the announcement, we will now be open for afterhours 
until 4 am, starting next week.

If you haven't seen the flyers yet, next week will feature UC Music's DJ Rip 
from Chicago, coming in to promote his 'World Domination' tour.  He'll be 
giving out about 20 or 30 CD's (and these are double CD's), and be hanging 
out all night.  We also will be featuring the new video by Underworld, 
'Everything, Everything' on our video screens, courtesy of the 1200 club.

The following week, come check out Tilzs, "the sexiest man in trancecore" 
according to Tara.  He's coming in from Minneapolis, to make his southern 
Ohio debut.  This will also be Tara's last night for a while, since she feels 
that going away to school is more important than doing Jager shots with me 
*sniff*.

If you haven't checked out Activ8 yet, swing into Dayton next week for a 
great time.  Every Wednesday night at Mother Rucker's, 18+.  We feature all 
kinds of music, house, drum n' bass, trance, hardcore, funky breaks,...  

Peace,
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tony@sebion.com writes:

<< a professional painter/carpenter?  hmm, that almost sounds like someone 
that
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 then again, the messiah is working for a carpenter.  that kinda makes sense.
 
 -t >>

you ghb head, freemasons tend to be community leaders or 
business professionals...*not* carpenters!

joseph, of joseph and mary fame was a carpenter.

jesus was a shepherd...guess what flock a modern day messiah
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Subject: [mw] Direcs to Furthur



Here they are for those of you to lazy to
go to the website, or if you want them
easy to print:




Directions to Even Furthur presented by Drop Bass Network & Vibeonauts:

These directions are so simple that they are almost embarrassingly easy
in comparison to some of our past events.  Simple is a blessing for
change.  BUT, simple doesn t always mean fool proof!  Use a map to help
you keep from getting lost and to SEE where you are going.  On your way
drive safely, obey the laws, and have your vehicle in proper working
order.  You can always expect stricter than normal traffic enforcement
near any musical event site.

When you arrive at the site just ask for Kurt / April / Louis and we ll
show you were you need to go.

Phone numbers:
Kurt cel.	414-630-6669
Kurt home	414-224-5343
DBN v.mail	414-548-1888

If you have any questions or problems call us right away. We will be on
site as of Wednesday night.  Everyone SHOULD have their tickets by now. 
WBA, Vibeonauts, some of Massive, and some of MTP will have your tickets
at the door.

Here are the directions...Drive Safe:

>From Milwaukee, WI  (approx.  190 miles - 3 hrs): 
- take Interstate-94 West towards Madison
- at Madison get in the right lane continue on I-94 West towards
Wisconsin Dells
- at Tomah stay on I-94 where I-90 & 94 split, then continue for 25 more
miles to Black River Falls
- at Black River Falls exit Highway 12 North (exit #115), you will turn
right onto Hwy 12
- travel on Hwy 12 for 4 miles and on the right hand side of the road
will be the Jamboree
  Campground, this is it...
- enter in the marked main driveway and follow the signs to the Even
Furthur main gate


>From Madison, WI  (approx.  120 miles - 2 hrs):
- take I-94 West out of Madison towards Wisconsin Dells
- at Tomah stay on I-94 where I-90 & 94 split, then continue for 25 more
miles to Black River Falls
- at Black River Falls exit Highway 12 North (exit #115), you will turn
right onto Hwy 12
- travel on Hwy 12 for 4 miles and on the right hand side of the road
will be the Jamboree
  Campground, this is it...
- enter in the marked main driveway and follow the signs to the Even
Furthur main gate


>From the Fox Valley, WI  (approx.  130+ miles - 2.5 hrs):
- from Green Bay and Appleton take Highway 41 South to Oshkosh
- from Fon du Lac take Highway 41 North to Oshkosh
- at Oshkosh take Highway 21 West towards Omro
- stay on Highway 21 West past I-39 and eventually to I-94 near Tomah
- get on I-94 West so you are heading towards Eau Claire
- travel on I-94 West 25 miles to Black River Falls
- at Black River Falls exit Highway 12 North (exit #115), you will turn
right onto Hwy 12
- travel on Hwy 12 for 4 miles and on the right hand side of the road
will be the Jamboree
  Campground, this is it...
- enter in the marked main driveway and follow the signs to the Even
Furthur main gate


>From Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN  (approx.  125 miles - 2 hrs):
- from the Twin Cities take I-94 East into Wisconsin and travel towards Madison
- less than an hour past Eau Claire you will come to Black River Falls
- at Black River Falls exit Highway 12 North (exit #115), you will turn
left onto Hwy 12
- travel on Hwy 12 for 4 miles and on the right hand side of the road
will be the Jamboree
  Campground, this is it...
- enter in the marked main driveway and follow the signs to the Even
Furthur main gate


>From Chicago (& Rockford), IL  (approx.  265 miles - 4 to 4.5 hrs):
- take I-90 West towards Rockford (people from Rockford start your
directions here)
- at Rockford continue on I-90 West into Wisconsin
- stay on I-90 West to Madison
- at Madison get on I-94 West towards Wisconsin Dells
- at Tomah stay on I-94 where I-90 & 94 split, then continue for 25 more
miles to Black River Falls
- at Black River Falls exit Highway 12 North (exit #115), you will turn
right onto Hwy 12
- travel on Hwy 12 for 4 miles and on the right hand side of the road
will be the Jamboree
  Campground, this is it...
- enter in the marked main driveway and follow the signs to the Even
Furthur main gate


>From Cedar Rapids, IA  (approx.  290 miles - just under 5 hrs):
- take Hwy 151 North to Dubuque
- continue on Hwy 151 into Wisconsin and to Madison
- at Madison get on Highway 12& 18 East
- take 12 & 18 East to I-94 and get on I-94 West towards Wisconsin Dells
- at Tomah stay on I-94 where I-90 & 94 split, then continue for 25 more
miles to Black River Falls
- at Black River Falls exit Highway 12 North (exit #115), you will turn
right onto Hwy 12
- travel on Hwy 12 for 4 miles and on the right hand side of the road
will be the Jamboree
  Campground, this is it...
- enter in the marked main driveway and follow the signs to the Even
Furthur main gate


>From St. Louis, MO  (approx.  490 miles - 8 hrs):
- take I-55 North from St. Louis into Illinois
- stay on I-55 to Bloomington/Normal, IL then get on I-39 North
- take I-39 North to Rockford, IL
- at Rockford get on I-90 West and continue on I-90 West into Wisconsin
- use the Chicago/Rockford directions from here


>From Detroit, MI (approx. 540 miles - 9 hrs.)
- take I-94 West all the way across Michigan to Chicago
- use the Chicago directions from here


>From Louisville, KY  (approx.  560 miles - just over 9 hrs):
- take I-65 North from Louisville to Indianapolis
- use the Indianapolis directions from here


>From all parts Ohio  (approx.  (n/a) miles - (n/a) hrs):
- from Cincinnati take I-74 West to Indianapolis
- from Dayton and Columbus take I-70 West to Indianapolis
- from Cleveland and Toledo take I-80/90 West to Gary, IN then I-94 West
to Chicago
- use the Chicago or Indianapolis directions from here


>From Indianapolis, IN  (approx.  445 miles - 7 hrs, 30 min):
- take I-65 North towards Chicago
- south of Chicago get on I-90/94 West to Chicago
- stay on I-94 West into downtown Chicago and then take I-90 West
towards Rockford
- use the Chicago directions from here



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www.dynamicgroove.com
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"the joseph and mary fame"?  one of the girlfriends i had in high school
thought that band rocked.  i dont think any of them were in the carpenters
though.

oh wait, that's not what you were talking about.

/me re-tunes stevie t out again.

do de do, do de do.
-t

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joseph, of joseph and mary fame was a carpenter.

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If anyone en-route between columbus and wisconsin is in need of a ride,
email me privately.  it looks like i'm going to have a seat or two open.
I'll be leaving columbus around 7 or 8pm.

That's all

-MikeY!


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