From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 11:10:04 2000
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From: Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani <blitz666@uswest.net>
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On 03/01/2000 12:30 AM jon dica! prophesized the following:

> many people say "man, OPEC sucks."
> 
> without OPEC, where would you get your oil?  drill your own, i suppose?
> 
> or buy from private tycoons, who would be involved in price wars jacking
> prices up much higher than you ever imagined?
> 
> it's easy to jump on the bandwagon, and just as easy to fall off.


you know the US alone in all it entirity including all territories has
enough oil reserves to supply our demand for as long as we have been using
it already...the reason we squandor ours again falls back on capitalism, we
want to try to drain the middle east and other nations of their oil reseves
so that the world then has to come to us and we can name the price...in
reality if the corporations weren't so gaddmaned bent on making a buck in
the future and holding out on our own reserves we could go tell OPEC to fuck
theirselves



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your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
I am chaos.  I am alive and tell you that you are free.

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On Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:26:59 PST "jon dica!" <dica666@hotmail.com>
writes:
> 
> i agree!  i have a bus pass!  the BUS cums every 60 minutes around 
> here! 

Damn Jen, you been getting busy a lot lately huh?
Every hour?  Must be due to all that porn.

Peace and love,

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 14:36:43 2000
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Ok...one of my co-workers is DESPERATELY trying to remember the last name of 
the dude who USED to host Entertainment Tonight and is now a 
pianist/composer of really cheesy music.  :)  Anyone know John's last name?

Again, he USED to host Entertainment Tonight and his first name is John.  
(Tall, blonde dude.)  :)

Thanks for the help.

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bald dreadless hippy punk raver looking for a chef to treat me right....

please inquire within...::


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 14:59:47 2000
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John Tesh?
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without truce.  But on what? On wine, poetry, or virtue, as you wish. 
But you must become drunk."

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 15:00:27 2000
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Every conclusion you've come up with has had little to do with anything
discussed, they're all from you blowing everything *way* out of
context.  I have no superiority complex, nor am I a racist, nor am I
ignorant.  You have shown yourself completely dellusional by deciding
otherwise.  You've done nothing but make blanket statements without
citing any reasonable evidence.  I completely explained and supported
all the things I've said to the point of nauseum, but you still fail to
understand.  You're hopeless to communicate with because you do nothing
but attack and misconstrue.

And what about "do not reply" do you not understand?  You think having
the last word will make you right???  Everyone is completely sick of
this thread, especially me.  Nobody agrees with you, most agree with me,
and the rest don't care enough to have an opinion.  I'd love to see you
get somebody to agree with everything you've said.

There's your challenge, DO NOT dribble back to me untill you have
another known listee to speak on your behalf.

...gregori


Steviet069@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/29/0 10:12:31 PM, gsparker wrote:
>
> <<denied & overruled...>>
>
> lol, going along with his typical superiority complex,
> the great gregori deems himself judge & jury...how
> ridiculous!!
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 15:43:47 2000
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so, what are you trying to say, gregori?  steviet should leave because we
don't agree with him?  i'm dissapointed in some people's inability to be
civil.

just relax a bit...

i don't agree with everything everyone says all the time, either.

peace,
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i am not talking.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 15:52:22 2000
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"I want me my Jack.  Bum buh bum buh.  I want him come back.  Bum buh bum 
buh.  He's takin his time.  Bum buh bum buh.  I'm bustin my behind.  Bum buh 
bum buh."

All but Paul Doyle can take a shot at this question.  The first person to 
get it right gets a copy of my Blackout tape.  :)

I'm feeling frisky....ah yeah!

Love and Hugs,

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 15:57:26 2000
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if you leave stevie alone and he has no one to argue with, then there will
not be any posts that clutter up my mailbox AD NAUSEUM. if you left him
alone for maybe four or five weeks, he might go away out of boredom, but
you people just egg him on even more. he gets off on making you guys
pissed at him. its pretty easy to see that. he knows exactly what he is
doing.  i think that he says things that he knows will get a rise out of
all of you. issues like him saying that he is God piss off those of you
who have some religious stuff goin on, or maybe even think that you are
God yourself.  he knows how to make ravers mad.  hell i even know how to
do that. if i went on another screen name and started sayin that i created
the scene in some state and then i hang around with all these promoters or
djs and i would pick on just one member specifically of that list that is
fairly popular at first, then i would know i would piss everyone off. and
im not saying that i want you all to shut up. i am just saying that you
should know the implications that replying back to him has. 

its gotten to the point of being ridiculous. if you dont like stevie and
want him to go away, best thing is to just ignore him. if you like his
presence on the list, go ahead and talk to him or whatever.  i on the
other hand dont give a flying fuck either way. just as long as i dont have
tons of stupid mail to delete every damn day.

that is all.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 16:15:14 2000
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>excuse me?...you have no idea how i live...and i do not
>spend most of my existence arguing with people...your
>conception of me is so far off it's not even funny, for
>the most part i'm a very silent guy in real life...

so in other words, you're just another pussy that sits behind a computer 
screen, getting off on silly games, but are too afraid to back up your shit 
in real life.

yeah, i've seen your kind before.

>and until kids see what's really going on, i'll continue
>skoolin 'em...

..but not to their faces.


...........................................................
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arrived. The weapon at that point was emptied," he added.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 16:19:38 2000
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because i felt it was an important thread....

he who used to bear the ET torch -- JOHN TESH!  maker of fine new age muzak.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 16:20:15 2000
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: bald dreadless hippy punk raver 

what???

you did not!!!

can i touch???

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 16:29:48 2000
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Boppity wrote:

you mean John Tesh?

god, I'm embarassed I actually know that...


> Ok...one of my co-workers is DESPERATELY trying to remember the last name of 
> the dude who USED to host Entertainment Tonight and is now a 
> pianist/composer of really cheesy music.  :)  Anyone know John's last name?
> 
> Again, he USED to host Entertainment Tonight and his first name is John.  
> (Tall, blonde dude.)  :)
> 
> Thanks for the help.


-Becky =)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 16:57:30 2000
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Nope...not Michael Jackson.  :)


----Original Message Follows----
From: "Anthony D'Andrea" <afdandre@midway.uchicago.edu>
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:04:05 -0600 (CST)

On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Boppity wrote:
 > "I want me my Jack.  Bum buh bum buh.  I want him come back.  Bum buh bum
 > buh.  He's takin his time.  Bum buh bum buh.  I'm bustin my behind.  Bum 
buh
 > bum buh."


michael jackson?... :-)


techno tony


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 18:04:15 2000
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In a message dated 3/1/0 3:44:23 PM, chad wrote:

<<so, what are you trying to say, gregori?  steviet should leave because we
don't agree with him?  i'm dissapointed in some people's inability to be
civil.

just relax a bit...>>

you tell him chad!!...well geesh, gregori, the list admin
of the list finally stood in to check you...most probably
because he got sick of you trying to pose as him & playing 
judge & jury on several occasions...i'm surprised he hasn't
booted you for that reason alone...

keep in mind, this thread would never have gone this far
if gregori had never made the initial racist remarks as
well as try covering it up by trying to change the subject
through his onslaught of outlandish attacks...

he has even reached the point of immaturity level where
he is creating inane e-mail accounts to further put me
down...and now he is trying to egg me on by daring me to
stoop to his level...

remember, the pricks in high school that would do anything
to start a fight with you...well one of em got a computer &
calls himself "the great gregori"...even his moniker is lame
as hell!


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In a message dated 3/1/0 4:15:34 PM, dica wrote:

<<so in other words, you're just another pussy that sits 
behind a computer screen, getting off on silly games, but 
are too afraid to back up your shit in real life.

yeah, i've seen your kind before.>>

ahahaha!...i don't even have to comment on this one, people
already know you're a prick on here, dica!!


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 18:10:29 2000
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Dylan,

>>isn't this the song that whoopi goldberg sings while waiting for jumpin' 
>>jack flash to sign on in the movie jumpin' jack flash?

YOU'RE THE WINNER!!!!!  WOOHOO!!!  I can't believe someone got it so fast!

You are an advanced movie trivia playa.  ;)

Send me your mailing addy and I'll get you a tape out on Friday.

Woohoo!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 18:19:04 2000
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"the great" gregori is laughing at you cos you look like an asshole.  (thanks
for the made-up title stevo)

did you find any friends yet???  ...didn't think so...I wonder why.


Steviet069@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/1/0 3:44:23 PM, chad wrote:
>
> <<so, what are you trying to say, gregori?  steviet should leave because we
> don't agree with him?  i'm dissapointed in some people's inability to be
> civil.
>
> just relax a bit...>>
>
> you tell him chad!!...well geesh, gregori, the list admin
> of the list finally stood in to check you...most probably
> because he got sick of you trying to pose as him & playing
> judge & jury on several occasions...i'm surprised he hasn't
> booted you for that reason alone...
>
> keep in mind, this thread would never have gone this far
> if gregori had never made the initial racist remarks as
> well as try covering it up by trying to change the subject
> through his onslaught of outlandish attacks...
>
> he has even reached the point of immaturity level where
> he is creating inane e-mail accounts to further put me
> down...and now he is trying to egg me on by daring me to
> stoop to his level...
>
> remember, the pricks in high school that would do anything
> to start a fight with you...well one of em got a computer &
> calls himself "the great gregori"...even his moniker is lame
> as hell!
>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 18:24:16 2000
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i find it really ironic that the only thing that can piss americans off 
enough to "protest" is having to pay a coupla lousy cents more for their 
gasoline.  we americans have it easy in comparison to most of the world 
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when corporate influence means more in our government than the voices of 
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what a bunch of shallow fuckers..

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 18:24:30 2000
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i find it really ironic that the only thing that can piss americans off 
enough to "protest" is having to pay a coupla lousy cents more for their 
gasoline.  we americans have it easy in comparison to most of the world 
when it comes to fuel prices.  i can't complain when a gallon of fuel is 
comparable in price to a two-liter of soda.

when corporate influence means more in our government than the voices of 
the people, our country has become a police state, our food is being 
genetically modified and hate crime still runs rampant, i should think 
we could find more important things to "protest" than the cost of a tank 
of fuel.  

what a bunch of shallow fuckers..

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 18:30:14 2000
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Why is everyone so susceptible to antagonism? Listen to what Lauryn said a
few messages back...

When you open a line of dialog with StevieT on this list, it always has this
same result. If you don't like his opinions, haven't any of you realized
that it is more effective to just NOT RESPOND? Flaming Stevie does NOT
work... we've all tried it and it doesn't do any good.

I guess what I've realized here is that anyone can be aggressive online, but
the bigger person is the one that can resist lashing out.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 18:35:34 2000
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Anybody ever heard of this guy takehisa kosugi... experimental musician... 
supposedly does some turntable work as well...

thinking about checking him out march 12th...

any info would be much appreciated.

entro

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 Once again, after reading below, I have decided to
clear my mind, and let you kids have it..

  All I can say is, BLAH BLAH BLAH..
   The last little qoute is just perfect..Whichout the
likes of stevieT and the others who have come and
gone, this list would get rather boring.  So, when he
types anything, you little spider monkeys need to just
respond like you do either way, and keep the list
alive.. As for flaming stevieT.. Its almost sad that a
thread was ever formed in this regard.. Ever look
outside?? Ever notice that its nice out?? Ever wonder
why you waste so much time on your damn PC?? You are
all addicted, and StevieT is just your drug..
   So flame away little druggies, and keep my days
filled with something to do...
                   (0_o)

  Going to finally tell everyone the way
   it really is..
        PLUR is on fucking hold this month.
 
  
--- Brandon Ivers <sluggo@visi.com> wrote:
> Why is everyone so susceptible to antagonism? Listen
> to what Lauryn said a
> few messages back...
> 
> When you open a line of dialog with StevieT on this
> list, it always has this
> same result. If you don't like his opinions, haven't
> any of you realized
> that it is more effective to just NOT RESPOND?
> Flaming Stevie does NOT
> work... we've all tried it and it doesn't do any
> good.
> 
> I guess what I've realized here is that anyone can
> be aggressive online, but
> the bigger person is the one that can resist lashing
> out.
> 
> Brandon
> 
> 
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>  Once again, after reading below, I have decided to
> clear my mind, and let you kids have it..

that was a wonderfully antagonistic message that i'm sure everyone will jump
on... let's just see if anyone actually listened to what I said =]

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> i should think we could find more important things to "protest" than the
cost of a tank
> of fuel.

I agree, but it's a trend in behavior for our generation. The average ~20
year old's parents are usually products of the 60's, where (as we all know)
was/is synonimous with protest.

Personally, I believe the apathy that comes from our generation is a
rebellion against the values that our parents had. Our parents wonder "why
the hell aren't these kids out protesting the wrongs of the world like we
did???", when it really just boils down to a classic example of different
generations trying to gain their individuality from certain ideological
standards. It's the shifting of human communicational behavior, and we've
been doing it for hundreds of years. The next generation will probably
aschew the value system that ours has, and we'll all be wondering why they
didn't like things like electronic music and designer drugs.

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: that was a wonderfully antagonistic message that i'm sure everyone will
jump
: on... let's just see if anyone actually listened to what I said =]

i did

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 18:54:12 2000
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my headphones are fubar... any recomendations... i am looking for something 
less than $30.  they dont have to be dj quality or anything like that... 
just for my listening pleasure.  also - anyone have an opinion on the sony 
phones that wrap around the back of the listeners head?

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anyone gonna be around on march 16th?  wanna check out walker at motor?

just wonderin....

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 18:57:49 2000
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Hi again!  I've got a few more things for sale:

Yamaha TG-33 - "Vector Synthesis" is just a funny name
for FM + AWM...You get a joystick, though ;P  In all
seriousness, it's of the same ilk as the ProphetVS. 
It's got 32poly/16multi and makes some pretty nice
bass and bell sounds.  Will ship with power supply and
a photocopy of the manual.   $100 + $15 shipping

Optimus Rack - Yes, it's a radio shack rack but it's
the only rack I could find that could fit my mixer
(Alesis 1622) for $100.  It's got 9 vertical spaces
(give or take 1 space) and a slanted mixer space of 10
(again, give or take 1 space).  A steal at $50 + $20
shipping (needs a custom box).

That's all for this installment of The Frugal
Electronic Musician.

Thanks,
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i was really hoping this would spawn a new mailing list, possibly
"stevievstheworld".  let me know when someone has it all set up.

-t

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Every conclusion you've come up with has had little to do with anything
discussed, they're all from you blowing everything *way* out of
context.  I have no superiority complex, nor am I a racist, nor am I
ignorant.  You have shown yourself completely dellusional by deciding
otherwise.  You've done nothing but make blanket statements without
citing any reasonable evidence.  I completely explained and supported
all the things I've said to the point of nauseum, but you still fail to
understand.  You're hopeless to communicate with because you do nothing
but attack and misconstrue.

And what about "do not reply" do you not understand?  You think having
the last word will make you right???  Everyone is completely sick of
this thread, especially me.  Nobody agrees with you, most agree with me,
and the rest don't care enough to have an opinion.  I'd love to see you
get somebody to agree with everything you've said.

There's your challenge, DO NOT dribble back to me untill you have
another known listee to speak on your behalf.

...gregori


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> In a message dated 2/29/0 10:12:31 PM, gsparker wrote:
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> <<denied & overruled...>>
>
> lol, going along with his typical superiority complex,
> the great gregori deems himself judge & jury...how
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On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, chad cumby wrote:
> sorry..  texas is the reason don't get to be called
> emo.  

Whatever- if they can that easily morph into Jets to Brazil, they sure
were. :P

> next thing you know people are gonna say ltj bukem 
> is an emo band.

Emo Jungle?

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atomly wrote:

> > next thing you know people are gonna say ltj bukem
> > is an emo band.
>
> Emo Jungle?

doesn't he spin funky breaks?


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>fuck.

what fuck?
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Selekta.com Presents Phuturetech
http://phuturetech.bog.net/

paulreset@yahoo.com

DJ Paul Reset will hijack the decks in the "name of Phuturetech" and broadcast LIVE on The Selekta as we begin to span the globe in our delivery of live audio content. 
Paul Reset is the Phuturetech resident, and records as part of Semantix for Trouble On Vinyl. His first track to be released on the label is called "Genocide," which will be shipping in April of 2000. While the track is not publicly released, it has been getting good Dub-Plate play in Europe, and crowds seem to love his original style. Versatility is a key to his musical dogma, as he can move from Hardcore to Drum & Bass and off to Down-tempo Breaks. The Selekta is proud to branch out to Glasgow, Scotland and welcomes DJ Paul Reset to The Selekta Family. 
 
check out Phutertech
http://phuturetech.bog.net/  
 

LIVE STREAM  
Febuary.21.2000 ( 1:30 - 2:30 pm EST )
DJ Paul Reset 

DJ Paul Reset will bring you a live set of room shaking Drum and Bass from Glasgow. 

To Listen: <http://selekta.com/phuturetech.ram>
More Info: <http://selekta.com/multimedia/phuturetech.asp>


 



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 19:34:33 2000
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here's the article i was talking about

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/style/A3196-1999Oct31.html


Jon Gotti wrote:

> That doesn't make sence, it may be true, but that
> still dont make no sence.
> Oil is a substance that is usually created from dead
> organic materials over the course of thousands of
> years, or at least that is what I was taught.
> New oil being produced in just 50 years would
> completely fuck that thinking up.
> But, somehow, I just dont believe that is possible, I
> would really like to see that report, and also see who
> the report was done by, and possibly if this is some
> strange phenominon.
>
> --- Grant <grant@techgallery.com> wrote:
> > actually, there have been studies on depleted oil
> > wells recently and they've found
> > that the oil is already being replentished in them.
> > this is in wells that have
> > gone dry just in the last 50 years or so.. i'll have
> > to try and find where i heard
> > that lil tid-bit o information and post it up here,
> > but alas i'm at work right now
> > and have some more programming to do at the moment.
> >
> >
> > jes wrote:
> >
> > > as much as i am a broke ass that doesn't like
> > paying a lot for gas,
> > > there's part of me that doesn't mind the increase
> > in prices lately. call
> > > me crazy, but it might make a few people think
> > about the fact that oil is
> > > a nonrenewable resource, and we should be aware of
> > how easily we waste it.
> > > also, the usa has some of the cheapest gas prices
> > in the world as a result
> > > of rampant exploitation...i feel that we are in no
> > condition to complain,
> > > middle class white male. ;P
> > >
> > > dag!! i thought i stopped being political years
> > ago!
> > >
> > > /me goes back to being apathetic
> > >
> > > /j
> > >
> > > On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, j.c. teeter wrote:
> > >
> > > > there may not be any secret "oil cartel
> > "but,speaking as a relatively
> > > > working middle class male,i am personally sick
> > of paying the rediculous
> > > > price of gas nowadays and if there was any
> > reasonable way i or any one else
> > > > for that matter could do about it im sure it
> > would be done .untill more of a
> > > > majority openly express their annoyance with the
> > prices there is really
> > > > nothing i or anyone else can do about it.
> > >
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dylan dorrell <ddorrell@hotmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> >fuck.
> 
> what fuck?
> 
this fuck!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 19:45:18 2000
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Selekta.com Presents Phuturetech
http://phuturetech.bog.net/

paulreset@yahoo.com

DJ Paul Reset will hijack the decks in the "name of Phuturetech" and broadcast LIVE on The Selekta as we begin to span the globe in our delivery of live audio content. 
Paul Reset is the Phuturetech resident, and records as part of Semantix for Trouble On Vinyl. His first track to be released on the label is called "Genocide," which will be shipping in April of 2000. While the track is not publicly released, it has been getting good Dub-Plate play in Europe, and crowds seem to love his original style. Versatility is a key to his musical dogma, as he can move from Hardcore to Drum & Bass and off to Down-tempo Breaks. The Selekta is proud to branch out to Glasgow, Scotland and welcomes DJ Paul Reset to The Selekta Family. 
 
check out Phutertech
http://phuturetech.bog.net/  
 

LIVE STREAM  
Febuary.21.2000 ( 1:30 - 2:30 pm EST )
DJ Paul Reset 

DJ Paul Reset will bring you a live set of room shaking Drum and Bass from Glasgow. 

To Listen: <http://selekta.com/phuturetech.ram>
More Info: <http://selekta.com/multimedia/phuturetech.asp>


 




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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 19:55:21 2000
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I just thought I'd let you all know of a mixer I just got.

I replaced my Vestax PMC-03A with a Pioneer DJM-300-S

Wow, what a difference.  Very easy to work with.  Good low, mid, and high
pots... nice fader and very solid construction.

good headphone output and VERY good for recording.

It even has BPM readouts... but that doesn't really help much.  I suppose
if I was doing CD mixes it might... but otherwise it isn't much help.
What really helps is the different headphone monitor output schema...
makes working out the minute problems, a thing of the past... :)

VERY highly recommended.

Love,
  Nick

P.S. -If anyone wants to buy an older, but perfectly working MTX mixer.
Hit me up privately. :)  I'll give you more detail.  $50 is what i'm
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 20:29:14 2000
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What country have you been living in?  Maybe you haven't noticed what
happened in Seattle, the numerous marches that take place in D.C. in any
given year, or the protests nearly every week on college campuses around
the nation.

On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, djshiva wrote:

> i find it really ironic that the only thing that can piss americans off 
> enough to "protest" is having to pay a coupla lousy cents more for their 
> gasoline.  we americans have it easy in comparison to most of the world 
> when it comes to fuel prices.  i can't complain when a gallon of fuel is 
> comparable in price to a two-liter of soda.
> 
> when corporate influence means more in our government than the voices of 
> the people, our country has become a police state, our food is being 
> genetically modified and hate crime still runs rampant, i should think 
> we could find more important things to "protest" than the cost of a tank 
> of fuel.  
> 
> what a bunch of shallow fuckers..
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Who's falling off?  OPEC does suck.  Any time you have a monopoly it
sucks.  Price wars don't jack up prices, they lower them.  It's called
competition and it's the reason why capitalism with free trade is the
most efficient way to run an economy, especially for the consumer.

On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, jon dica! wrote:

> many people say "man, OPEC sucks."
> 
> without OPEC, where would you get your oil?  drill your own, i suppose?
> 
> or buy from private tycoons, who would be involved in price wars jacking 
> prices up much higher than you ever imagined?
> 
> it's easy to jump on the bandwagon, and just as easy to fall off.
> 
> ...........................................................
> .......  jon/dica - massive honky - angel of death  .......
> ...........................................................
> "The suspect still had the weapon in his hand when police
> arrived. The weapon at that point was emptied," he added.
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2000, Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani wrote:

> On 03/01/2000 12:30 AM jon dica! prophesized the following:
> 
> > many people say "man, OPEC sucks."
> > 
> > without OPEC, where would you get your oil?  drill your own, i suppose?
> > 
> > or buy from private tycoons, who would be involved in price wars jacking
> > prices up much higher than you ever imagined?
> > 
> > it's easy to jump on the bandwagon, and just as easy to fall off.
> 
> 
> you know the US alone in all it entirity including all territories has
> enough oil reserves to supply our demand for as long as we have been using
> it already...the reason we squandor ours again falls back on capitalism, we
> want to try to drain the middle east and other nations of their oil reseves
> so that the world then has to come to us and we can name the price...in
> reality if the corporations weren't so gaddmaned bent on making a buck in
> the future and holding out on our own reserves we could go tell OPEC to fuck
> theirselves
> 

 Did your little conspiracy theory come to you in a dream last night?  The
U.S. does not have near enough reserves to fuel America.  Do you really
think there's a bunch of executives sitting around somewhere going, "Well,
we could be making a fortune right now selling oil, but why don't we hold
onto ours and hope someday that the middle east runs out so our great
grandkids can be some rich mother fuckers.






> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Everybody is an enemy.  fuck it I hate everybody.
> I'm not a part of any scene, I do my own thing.
> my mind is the machine gun, my body is the bullets,
> and my audience is the target!!!
> 
> I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists
> and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
> your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
> I am chaos.  I am alive and tell you that you are free.
> 
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Subject: [junglist] Empress, Ransom w/ MC Escher on Velocity

This week on Velocity, NYC's Empress makes a long-awaited return to the
Pseudo studio, now with the experience gained from her two appearances at
Movement in London. She's made a tune with UFO! & Sage as Triadd on
Skunkrock, which will be getting the remix treatment from Digital & Spirit,
and her traveling schedule is growing as the buzz about her escalates. 
***
Her last appearance on Velocity was accidental, strangely enough--she was
playing to a party in the studio before Trace & Rymetyme were scheduled to
play w/ DJ Hive, who had to finish opening for Asian Dub Foudation before
rushing over. When the DSCI4 guys were late, we asked her to keep playing,
and it was the second hour of her set that made the archives. This week
she'll get the timely feature, as her Wednesday night weekly 'Ignite' at
Liquids in NYC kicks off tonight (with DJ Dara, Chris Thomas, and residents
Krunchy & 101) 
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Ransom & MC Escher of the Step Syndicate in Washington DC will follow for a
drum & bass session worth making the drive up to NYC for! Get some
background on their crew at the Step Syndicate online headquarters at
www.stepsyndicate.com in the meantine, and get ready for this stateside
special.   Tune in Thursday at 10 pm est or watch this one anytime after in
the archives.
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Next week on Velocity (March 10th): An absolutely sick session is scheduled
with Usual Suspects, Fierce, Dom & Roland, Loxy, and MC Rage! Though their
Physics date may be off and NYC's venue difficulties continue, the whole
crew will still come through to rinse it for Velocity viewers worldwide. 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 21:20:58 2000
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On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Jon Gotti wrote:
> dont make me find another sean puffy colms!!!!
> signed
> Jon "maybe im still you Biggy?" Gotti

C'mon!  The :P obviously meant I was joking!  Probably my favorite events
of last year were the WTWs and Destruction 2!   Now talk about beer and
raving!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 21:23:05 2000
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this friday march 3, 2000 in indianapolis, in

beat factory & housequake present:

GET IT FROM THE BACK

DJ Traxx (HPS/TEamsters)
DJ Shiva (The Goddess Complex/SUBterror)
Melloman (CBS)
Josh Shubert (Beat Factory)
Phase (Scarab Records)

$15 w/o canned food donation
$1 off for each canned food donation (up to 3)

10% of proceeds go the Damien Center (for AIDS education and related 
programs)

party starts at 11:30 pm

for info & directions, call:

Beat Factory 317.375.7894
Housequake 317.308.642

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 01 21:32:57 2000
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heres the LIFT schedule for this month...please call the clubhead info lines
listed for more information...LIFT is no longer @ dv8 so call ahead or read
below for the venue lift will be for that particular week...

dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
techno/electro dj bookings: djoracle@visto.com
fon: (513) 861-6760
new website: http://zap.to/djoracle

> MARCH 2, 2000
>     LITTLE LOUIS VEGA-NYC in an EXTREMELY rare appearance outside NYC @
> ELEKTRA
>    (513.648.9647-YUMYUM LINE    513.956.0750-STILLFRESH LINE)
>
> MARCH 9, 2000
>    ANDY HUGHES-ORLANDO this ex-rocket scientist/engineer (literally) makes
a
> return lift appearance to drop the mad florida progressive-
>   trance/breakbeat bombs
>   @ TOP CATS (513.648.9647-YUMYUM LINE    513.956.0750-STILLFRESH LINE)

> MARCH 16, 2000
>     APHRODITE-UK  @  ELEKTRA check out this big draw in a huge beautiful
club with plenty of bass
>    (513.648.9647-YUMYUM LINE    513.956.0750-STILLFRESH LINE)

MARCH 23 OR 30TH 2000
     GROOVERIDER-UK @  VENUE TBA




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Email me for the list...mostly progressive stuff. 

  thanks 

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werd up, but dood dont even play about alchohol and
raving not mixing.
it just aint cosher!!

--- atomly <atomly@atomly.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, Jon Gotti wrote:
> > dont make me find another sean puffy colms!!!!
> > signed
> > Jon "maybe im still you Biggy?" Gotti
> 
> C'mon!  The :P obviously meant I was joking! 
> Probably my favorite events
> of last year were the WTWs and Destruction 2!   Now
> talk about beer and
> raving!
> 
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http://beam.to/entro    

Removed all ads and have permanently moved to our new Host at Black Monolith 
Recordings in New Jersey.  More so a massive cleanup job, including some 
updates in tour dates, as well as some other interesting pieces.

things to be on the look out in the next month:

1.  Owl Service Volume One - Preview Audio - Realaudio of the new mixtape due 
out this month from Semiconscious featuring Dj Kid Entropy and Dj Natty.  
2.  Owl Service Outtakes MP3 - 30 minute MP3 mixtape from Dj Kid Entropy 
including many exclusive dubplates.  High Bandwidth but free.
3.  Semiconscious Video - Our fully automated sidesite featuring the best in 
Cult video.  Featuring quality bootlegs from all genres of cinema, including 
an extensive collection of Fulci, Argento, Shaw Brothers, and many oddities 
indeed.  Shop head, Ian, has run booths all over the united states for 
Fangoria and other conventions, supplied such stores as Blast Off Video in 
Chicago's Bucktown area, and generally appropriated many key player's 
collections from overseas.  Quality revolutionary audio needs quality 
revolutionary video.
4.  Sets from more of our extended family.
r 
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> also - anyone have an opinion on the sony
> phones that wrap around the back of the listeners head?

Yes, those are the ugliest fucking things I've ever seen.  I wouldn't be
caught dead wearing those.

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they also pinch the tops of my ears after wearing them for a while.  then
again i got big ears.


Tom

Nicholas Christ wrote:

> > also - anyone have an opinion on the sony
> > phones that wrap around the back of the listeners head?
>
> Yes, those are the ugliest fucking things I've ever seen.  I wouldn't be
> caught dead wearing those.
>
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but i know for a fact that kangaroos got crazy ups.

baller chad


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kode wrote:
<<You are
 all addicted, and StevieT is just your drug..
    So flame away little druggies, and keep my days
 filled with something to do...>>

admit it kiddies, i'm better than crack!!...instead
of od'ing, you get skooled on the plight of minorities,
mw-raves scene history, the spiritual influence of
the scene, and political issues!...plus i get to play
martyr boy & take everybody's flames for the sheer
entertainment of the list...my pain for your pleasures
..gotta give props for that!!

but i think when the title of the thread is "pissed
off asian dude" and you open your flame with racist
remarks and continue with inane personal attacks,
you're bound to get flamed back!

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damnnnnnnnnn..... steviet's stepping up, yo. you best be representing cos you 
bound to get flamed back.


asian pride, yo.
sarah...

hehe. that reminds me. i'm carrying around a fake baby for a class, and it's 
asian, and i'm not, and all the asians are like "you best be showing the 
asian pride"... mmmm....

<< but i think when the title of the thread is "pissed
 off asian dude" and you open your flame with racist
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 02 00:31:00 2000
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Hey MW-RAVERS, if you haven't seen Stewart Walker
yet, I highly suggest that you do so. His live pa
is one of the best I've ever seen, and I haven't
heard it in about 5 months now, so I'm sure it's
gotten better.

I love his minimal, dubby style, and most of Iowa
does, too. He's been here 2 or 3 times now, and
whooped ass every time.

He'll be here again for Rotation, Saturday March
11th in Iowa City (for those too far from Detroit).
Yes, it's worth the drive, no matter how far it is!

Info Line is 800.805.7597
or http://jump.to/iowacityunderground

That is all. Peace out!

Dave

------Original Message------
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Subject: [mw] stewart walker


anyone gonna be around on march 16th?  wanna check out walker at motor?

just wonderin....

bekka.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 02 00:33:25 2000
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Ticket for Liquid Grooves event, LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE taking place on April
1st in Atlanta GA with Sasha, Digweed, Rabbit in the Moon, Grooverider,
Fabio, Garth, and Jim Masters are now on sale at all stores in atlanta and
all other outlets as of friday.

Log on to www.liquified.com and follow the link to liquified universe to
find out where the ticket outlets are, how to get tickets online, and how to
mail order tickets.

Note: Online ticket sales start tommorow, follow the link to the online
site.

And in case you are wondering tickets are
$25 until march 15th and $30 after and on the door.

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pixie sed:
<<: that was a wonderfully antagonistic message that i'm sure everyone will
 jump
 : on... let's just see if anyone actually listened to what I said =]

 i did

 pixie>>

oh me too!!...me too!!...um, what are we talkin about?
..who cares i just wanted to jump on the bandwagon!...
and oh yeah, this gregori guys told me that stevie t
is gay!..i don't know who he is but i believe everything
i read on the internet cuz i'm a net addict!

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ooooh what was i thinking!!...that murph guy is so
smart!!...you're right let's jack the gas prices 
up!!...the higher the better!!...i get a good feeling 
when i know when i'm gettin ripped off!!...and why'd 
they just hike up the gas prices?!...why didn't they 
jack up the price of cigarettes and alcohol too!!
..according to murph's logic if i hafta pay extra
for all this stuff i'll have no money left to leave
the house!!...and that way there will be no way to
pollute the air with my awful flatulence!!...i will
help save the earth!!...woo hoo!!...thank you, murph,
you're a genius i hope you win one of those academy
award type thingys they give to like really super 
duper smart people!!

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In a message dated 3/1/2000 1:07:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< ahahaha!...i don't even have to comment on this one, people
 already know you're a prick on here, dica!!
  >>

dica is a prick everywhere he is, but atleast he is the same on the computer 
as he is in person tho stevie....

an asshole 24/7
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Thank you all who support Distorted Grooves Radio...

Distorted Grooves Radio presents...

"In Search of Something Deep"
an exploration into Ambience...

Live tonite from 8 PM - 4 AM

IP Address - 166.90.143.141:11218

You can listen to Distorted Grooves Radio using RealPlayer 7 or Winamp...

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Sista' Jade Entertainment and the 
House of Babylon Broductions of 
Indianapolis combine efforts once 
more to bring you closer to higher
states of EUPHORIA:


THE PLEASURE DOME 
Saturday, March 18, 2000


Indianapolis Indiana 


You will be pleasured by the following talent:

The Allies, (Montreal, Quebec, Canada) 
A-TRAK  1997 World DMC Champion, 1999 Vestex Champion 
At the ripe age of 15, A-Track stunned the world as he 
became the 1997 World Mixing Champion.  Tonight, 
making his first Indy appearance.  A-Track is gonna rip 
it up, showing you the meaning of the words "turntablist" 
and "tricknologist"!  An inspiration to many aspiring to 
obtain his skill and proficiency, you will never look at 
Battle DJing the same way again!


Buzz - Fever (Washington, DC) 
SCOTT HENRY True progressive heads know this man!  
They worship this man!  Tonight, you'll see why, as he
tears down the walls with his techno-laced progressive 
beats!  Imagine bliss peppered with a dash of funk!
Scott hasn't played here in a long time, but we welcome 
him back with loving arms.  A truly pleasurable aural experience!


(611 Records - Philly) 
NIGEL RICHARDS The man responsible for one of the 
better-ran and managed record stores in US history returns 
after a long sympatico from Indy to bang it techno style.  
Incorporating some of today and tomorrow's best techno 
tracks and mixing it effortless with funky house.  It is unlikely 
you will leave the dance floor dry! Euphoria's home is right here!


(House of Styles, Pittsburg, PA) 
PRODUCT 19 Playing hard techno like nobody's mama!  
A special treat for all the good little boys and girls from 
the House of Styles crew in Pittsburg.  Product 19 has 
eclipsed many before him in his daring techno selections
and ability to program the dancefloor into a frenzy!


(House of Babylon (Indy)/The Pros(Chicago)Log 2 Sound System) 
CHOCOLATE THE FREAKY AFRO-NAUT The virgin surgeon himself.  
With tech-house records boys cream to and girls shake their titties for.  
Chocolate will not disapoint!  Not akin to multiple orgasms, but one
continuous orgasm for 90 minutes!!! DAAAYUHM!!!


(House of Babylon/The Pros/Subwarped Records) 
K-STEP Ahhh...... K-Step is making leaps and bounds in terms 
of his mixing skill and stlye!  He is wanted nation-wide, from
Detroit, Toronto, StLouis, Omaha, et al.  His orinigal track
CONCRETE TECHNIQUE has recently peeked the interest
of CANVAS RECORDINGS.  Tonight K-Step will 
open for A-Track, and show you and the world how we do it 
Nap-town style!  Represent!

(Subwarped/House of Babylon) 
danDAVE Now for those who like it darck and menacing, 
danDAVE is your man!  Quickly rising to the top of the Indy 
Junglist creme!


(House of Babylon) 
BLAIR BROWN From Chicago meet the latest H of B offering--
the talented Mr. Blair Brown.  His disco infected house grooves 
made a stunning (and suprise) impact on the Jan. 14th Burn @ 
the Hot Spot.  Tonight is his official release!  UNLEASHED!


Doors open at 9:00 p.m.   
Music starts at 10:00 p.m.


$20 before midnight $25 after midnight
For those attending the pre-party (PANTY RAiD)
the party will not exceed $20.

There will be a free massage set up from 1AM-3AM
for all you boys & girls who jack too hard!  

sound by: Log 2 
lights by: project 7


Guest list & Vending requests must be received by March 1.
Such requests must be e-mailed to either of the following 
addresses:

housebabylon@aol.com 
sistajade@email.com

No exceptions!  No walk-ups!
No service fee for vendors (but gifts are
always appreciated.)

In light of recent events, we will be strictly enforcing the following rules:

NO outside liquids, pagers, cellphones, recording devices of ANY kind,
crabs, mean people, thugs, bad attitudes, markers, weapons, glass or
GHB!  GHB DEALERS WILL BE ARRESTED ON SITE!   PERIOD!!!!!


ROAR in full effect  (Right of Admission Reserved)

Security will be tight but friendly.

HOUSE OF BABYLON  317-592-9236 
SISTA' JADE ENTERTAINMENT  317-704-1642

Also Dont' Forget 
PANTY RAiD (Pleasure Dome Pre-Party) - March 17th
Featuring DJ Deeon, Mazi, Frankie Vega, Shiva & More
SistaJade Entertainment  317 704 1642
House of Babylon   317 592 9236

MiCROCOSM version 1.0 - March 24th
Featuring OH! Donovan (AKA Sean Patrick), DJ Moda, Xian & More
DiscoDisciples d'Amour 317 713 7123
DiscoHotLine@aol.com

MiCROCOSM version 2.0 - April 14th
Featuring Tony B!, Adam Abstrakt, & More
DiscoDisciples d'Amour 317 713 7123
DiscoHotLine@aol.com

WET DREAMz (Pajama Jama Jam pt 2) - June 3rd
Featuring Christopher Lawrence, JazzE, DJ Moda, Dave Aude, Baby Anne & More
House of Babylon  317 592 9236
HouseBabylon@aol.com

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this is in regards to the abstraktion 3 party in cincinnati this friday, not
to be confused with the other abstract event ive seen listed...for more
info, call the support lines below...

dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
techno/electro dj bookings: djoracle@visto.com
fon: (513) 861-6760
new website: http://zap.to/djoracle

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
ABSTRAKTION 3                        Friday March 3rd, 2000
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

in Cincinnati, OH

featuring:

PHANTOM 45 (SubBase. Chicago.)
Phantom is on the forefront of our rising jungle scene and
has been since the begining of the Chicago Jungle takeover.
Come witness his fine American Jungle.

DWYNN (KMS Records. Detroit.)
Dwynn is one of the originators of the Detroit techno scene next to
superstars
such as Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, and Carl Craig. Spending most of his
time playing out overseas at top-notch clubs and mega-raves, it is an honor
to
have Dwynn here in Cincinnati mixing his flawless style of techno and house.

BOB-A-DOB (Cluhead Records, Lift, Jackin' House.)
House + Beer = Bob-A-Dob, A Cincinnati Legend.

DJ SPIRIT (Abstrakt Entertainment.)
Cincinnati's best kept secret, performing on three turntables and a 303.

BRIAN DRABANT (X Minuse One.)
Techno at its finest.

Doors open @ 10PM -- 18 & UP W/ID

Large capacity venue with a bangin' sound
system and intelligent lighting.

Check main info line for admission/directions.
Main Info Line: 513.588.6220

Thanks for everyone's continued support!

www.abstraktentertainment.com

Support Lines:
Yum-Yum: 513.648.9647
C.B.S.: 513.665.6572
Stillfresh: 513.956.0570
Loco-line: 513.736.1881


dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
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fon: (513) 861-6760
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admit it kiddies, i'm better than crack!!...instead
of od'ing, you get skooled on the plight of minorities,
mw-raves scene history, the spiritual influence of
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martyr boy & take everybody's flames for the sheer
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..gotta give props for that!!


       
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John Tesh :) fantastic...

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In a message dated 3/2/0 1:08:31 AM, oleskl wrote:

<<dica is a prick everywhere he is, but atleast he is the 
same on the computer as he is in person tho stevie....

an asshole 24/7
shawne>>

u got me...i'm not really a prick or an asshole in real life,
i just play one on mw-raves tv!


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if you are stupid enough to do G, please OD and die at home.  if you come 
to the party, we have to do something with your body, and it's just another 
headache to deal with!

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At 01:16 AM 2/29/00 -0500, you wrote:
>any events going on this date??

yeah, i'm doing "shooting star" - expect it to be huge.



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>
>China White

err.  does it bother anyone else when they see dj names like:
         china white
         arjay ketamine
         e-sassin

etc?  i mean, why make a blatant drug reference in your name if you take 
yourself seriously as a dj?

coming soon:  battle of the nodding off dj's:  china white vs dj black tar 
in a 20-minute duel to the death!






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they sell knockoff DiscoGear (tm) at the COTA bus station in columbus, and 
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>dica is a prick everywhere he is, but atleast he is the same on the 
>computer
>as he is in person tho stevie....

hmmm....maybe I need to get to know this dica character better. I have a 
real appreciation for a bad attitude.

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the months of june and july are a hard time to plan anything if you're in the 
Ohio/Indiana/Kentucky cuz some friends of mine have Sasha and Digweed booked 
for a tour stop sometime in those 2 months, and they're not sure what date 
they're gettin yet. Its supposed to be in Dayton, but who knows if they'll 
move it between now and then.

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woo hoo!!...scott henry & nigel richards, two of my
fav dj's two days before my birthday!!!

i haven't been to indy since heartland!

anyone remember pleasure dome in dc in '94?...it
did not fair well...hopefully, this will be the true
pleasure dome!!...havin another attempt of paradise,
i guess...

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In a message dated 3/2/0 3:16:24 AM, housekitten wrote:

<<hmmm....maybe I need to get to know this dica character 
better. I have a real appreciation for a bad attitude.

kitten>>

lol, tis true, housekitten always gets stuck with the bad
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>NOW, PCCK, Anti-Racist Action, Young Democratic Socialists, Brat, RCRC,
>Planned Parenthood, Autonomous Women's League, and many other groups will 
>be
>sponsoring a press event this Thursday, March 2 from 5:00 to 5:30 PM in
>Jefferson Parkon 6th and Jefferson Sts. in Louisville. This Pro-Choice 
>event
>will be a show of solidarity by pro-choice individuals and groups in order
>to voice our concerns about the continuation of regressive attacks on
>women's reproductive health information and access. (ie,contraceptive
>coverage, abstinence only bill,fetal definition, the 24 hour wait federal
>court hearing as well as an anticipated visit this weekend by Operation
>Rescue). We need as many people as possible to come out! Thank you!
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 02 03:41:18 2000
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beyerdynamic

that's all I got to say.

they rock.

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In a message dated 3/2/0 12:18:01 AM, glowstickchica wrote:

<<hehe. that reminds me. i'm carrying around a fake baby for a 
class, and it's asian, and i'm not, and all the asians are like 
"you best be showing the asian pride"... mmmm....>>

um, does it have "hare-lips"?


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 02 04:07:35 2000
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>ahahaha!...i don't even have to comment on this one, people
>already know you're a prick on here, dica!!

i'm a prick in real life, too!


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>From: Steviet069@aol.com
>Reply-To: Steviet069@aol.com
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re:  [mw] T H E   P L E A S U R E   D O M E --March 18, 2000 -- 
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>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:28:25 EST
>
>woo hoo!!...scott henry & nigel richards, two of my
>fav dj's two days before my birthday!!!
>
>i haven't been to indy since heartland!
>
>anyone remember pleasure dome in dc in '94?...it
>did not fair well...hopefully, this will be the true
>pleasure dome!!...havin another attempt of paradise,
>i guess...
>
>-
thanks for letting us know where you're going to be ahead of time Mr. Tsang. 
Now we don't have to worry about getting our people in place ahead of time. 
Now we'll have time set up someone to follow you the entire day.

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Does anyone know how to contact Joey Beltram? (in order to book him for an
event - asking for someone who is not on this list)

Len Lindsay ( LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com )
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In a message dated 3/2/0 4:29:21 AM, man_in_black00@hotmail.com writes:

<< thanks for letting us know where you're going to be ahead of time Mr. 
Tsang. 
Now we don't have to worry about getting our people in place ahead of time. 
Now we'll have time set up someone to follow you the entire day. >>

u won't recognize me, i'll be dressed as a white dude, with a pimpin
white leisure suit like john travolta in saturday night live and i'll
be dancin way off beat, so you won't know it's me!!...oh shoot,
i just gave away my disguise!!...okee, wait forget dat...i'll be dressed
as this cute li'l rave chica w/ really big newbie boobies passin out
the "ghb kills" & "opec sux!" stickers, but like i'll bring my porn cru
with me, so u won't know which cute rave chica is really me!!


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***
You know that feeling that you get when you're on
the dance floor and it's that perfect moment of inter
connectivity?  The bass is pounding through your body,
and you can feel the energy inside you uniting with
the energies of every single person in the room. 
These are those special moments that we experience at
parties few and far between these days, but the search
for them keeps us coming back for more, dancing and
sweating and longing to become ONE with everyone and
everything  around us. Yearning to melt into infinity.
 It happens, you know it does, if only for a  fleeting
moment, a part of your mind clicks on and you plug
into the collective  consciousness, and flow along its
rhythm.  But only for a moment.  We need more of 
those moments, they are glimpses into the next level
of cosmic connectivity. The VIBE is already alive
here in St. Louis, but we need to CONNECT with each
other.   On May 13th, in the year 2000, come and 
CONNECT us within the safety of the  St. Louis VIBE as
Kindred Groove and The Boogie Knights present:
Vibalicious 2, Tropically Twisted.
 
 
Returning to St. Louis for the first time since New
Years Eve '98...
Four turntable twisted tag team tango!
 
THE STICKMEN - Stickman records - Aquarius Records -
Toronto, Canada


This man's journey has resulted in a unique musical
style you'll hear nowhere else.
We are proud to give you a very rare appearance of...

THOMAS - Wicked Crew - New York City


More Good Stuff will be coming out of his mouth!
This night, he won't only be DJing, He'll also be our
host for the evening...

DJ SKIP - Pushpac Production - Chicago


We're proud to present the 1st ever Midwest appearance
of this next DJ.
>From Russia with love comes...

THE EXORCIST - Tranceplant Records - Moscow


The Midwest's #1 Jungle DJ and Producer is going to
blow up it up.
Straight outta Chicago...

DJ 3D - Canvas Recordings - Uptempo Dance Music -
Chicago


He's going to push that Techno bass even further!
Introducing the Drop Bass legend...

JETHROX - Drop Bass Network - Milwaukee


Truly twisted!  Tainted and Turned on!  Tropically
Titillating!
A live performance with the...

ALL TIME HIGH - Superstars of Love - St. Louis


This twisted party will feature a second room with
some of Midwest's best talent.

Frankie Vega - Mushgroove - Techno - Chicago

n.9 - Midwest's Acid Techno Sensation - Acid - Kansas
City

Dorian - Goodfellaz - Jungle - Nashville

Tim Krochalk - FUNK Enterprises - Tribal House -
Indianapolis

neight - Silver Promotions - Progressive Trance -
Memphis

Jaime D - Bionic Crew - Jungle - St. Louis

Stan Doublin - Kindred Groove and Blown Away - House -
St. Louis

Bodaleg - Boogie Knights - House - St. Louis

Main Info Lines -
Boogie Knights - 314-567-2041
Kindred Groove - 314-995-9215
Support Lines -
Superstars of Love - 314-994-1114
Bionic - 314-995-6245
Krazobeats - 417-875-6527
Syceda Rythym - 816-871-5151
House of Bablyon - 317-592-9236
Muzique Boutique - 317-592-9536
FUNK Enterprises - 317-375-7744
Mushgroove - 773-509-6869
Pushpac Productions - 773-509-6844
Silver Promotions - 901-529-0498
Jungle Juice - 901-277-3431
CyberTribe - 501-340-3801
Drop Bass Network - 262-548-1888
Phul Phunk - 402-467-9142

Web Sites -
KindredGroove.com
BoogieKnights.net
Syquil.com
Stickmanrecords.com

*ARRIVE EARLY to receive your discounted tickets.
Tickets are $20 BEFORE 11 PM.  Tickets are $25 for
anyone entering AFTER 11 PM.

*ARRIVE EARLY to avoid the line! Our event begins
promptly at 9 PM and keeps on  rock & rollin' your
soul until 7 AM.

*Are you tropically twisted? Prove it! We will have
$100 CASH PRIZE TROPICAL COSTUME CONTEST.

*Tropically Twisted decorations and giveaways. We're
going all out!

*We have gone to great lengths to secure a 100%
legal & safe venue.  With a CAPACITY OF 4000, we will
have ROOM FOR EVERYONE to move and groove. The venue
features AIR CONDITIONING to keep the energy high all
night and plenty of free parking. Also, SMOKING IS
ALLOWED INSIDE the venue. No candy or gum  will be
allowed inside. Please respect the venue. They are
very happy to have us and want you all to have a safe
and enjoyable evening!

*We will feature an incredible light show unlike no
other ever seen in the Midwest. The main room will
feature programmed intelligent lighting combined with
two fully animated 2.3 watt lasers to create a
stunning visual effect. 

*2 MASSIVE SOUND SYSTEMS! We like our boom boom crisp,
clear and LOUD!

*Please bring something to share and help make this
the ultimate vibe event! We have put our heart and
soul into this event. We expect the same from you!
Bring all the love in your heart and every ounce of
energy you got because  your going to need it!

*LIVE performance artists on stage to add to this
twisted event!

*First Aid is available on site. They call him a
licensed EMT, but we call him Greg the  paramedic.
Greg will be on call with his ambulance to ensure any
medical problems  are handled promptly.

*Fun loving but firm, licensed and experienced
security will be on hand to ensure a smooth evening
for everyone. Expect to be searched. You know the
rules!

*NO alcohol, drugs, candy, gum, markers, weapons, mean
people or bad vibes allowed!

*All VENDING & GUEST LIST requests must be made by
calling one of the
main info lines before 5-1-00.
***

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> err.  does it bother anyone else when they see dj names like:
>          china white
>          arjay ketamine
>          e-sassin

no, it bothers me more when people pick apart shit like that and
actually make it an issue. I'm surprised you of all people would 
cop such a politically correct attitude about something like this!

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Thought some of you might enjoy this.

Peace and love,

Mike aka Dr. Bläsé
http://drop.to/waxmasters
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--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Voltron <defenderoftheunderground@yahoo.com>
To: sd-raves@puremusik.com

Cops Face Charges for 'Rave' Lifestyle

 HIALEAH, Fla. (APBnews.com) -- Four police officers
became mired in the drug-dealing party culture of
Miami's underground rave scene, authorities said. 

 Three of the men now face criminal charges. A rookie
has been dismissed from the Hialeah Police Department.

 "These are guys who have been living an illicit
nocturnal lifestyle that we call rave," said Hialeah
police spokesman Frank
 Gonzalez. "They got caught up in it, and it was
conduct unbecoming an officer." 

 The officers, who ranged in age from 24 to 36,
allegedly joined teens and young adults at raves --
illicit dance parties known
 for syncopated electronic music, outrageous fashions
and the easy availability of drugs, especially the
hallucinogen Ecstasy, authorities said. 

 Officer arrested at party 

 Officer Omar Diaz, 26, was arrested in November 1999
when police raided an illegal rave in a warehouse in
Hialeah. He was charged with two counts of drug
possession and two counts of selling small amounts
of Ecstasy, Gonzalez said. 

 Police later determined that Officer Ramiro Del
Nodal, 24, and Officer Robert Hafmi, 36, also
frequented the parties,
 Gonzalez said. Del Nodal was charged Monday with
perjury for allegedly lying to investigators about his
knowledge of Diaz's activity, Gonzalez said. 

 Hafmi also was charged Monday with one count of money
laundering and accessory to a crime after the fact for
his knowledge of the rave-related crimes, Gonzalez. 

 Both officers surrendered to authorities and were
being held pending a bail hearing. 

 'Too much temptation out there' 

 A fourth officer, Wilson Medina, 30, has been fired
from the force for his participation in the raves. No
criminal charges were filed against him. Because he is
still rookie, he could be dismissed without a hearing. 

 Gonzalez said Diaz also has been fired, and that the
dismissal process has not yet been completed for Del
Nodal and Hafmi. 

 "There was just too much temptation out there, and it
was too strong for them," said Gonzalez. 

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please sir, take your roommates with you. Let me ask you this tho Mr. Tsang, 
do you really trust where you live?

Thomas


>From: Steviet069@aol.com
>Reply-To: Steviet069@aol.com
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] T H E P L E A S U R E D O M E --March 18, 2000 -- 
>Indianapolis
>Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:03:19 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 3/2/0 4:29:21 AM, man_in_black00@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< thanks for letting us know where you're going to be ahead of time Mr.
>Tsang.
>Now we don't have to worry about getting our people in place ahead of time.
>Now we'll have time set up someone to follow you the entire day. >>
>
>u won't recognize me, i'll be dressed as a white dude, with a pimpin
>white leisure suit like john travolta in saturday night live and i'll
>be dancin way off beat, so you won't know it's me!!...oh shoot,
>i just gave away my disguise!!...okee, wait forget dat...i'll be dressed
>as this cute li'l rave chica w/ really big newbie boobies passin out
>the "ghb kills" & "opec sux!" stickers, but like i'll bring my porn cru
>with me, so u won't know which cute rave chica is really me!!
>
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2000 Steviet069@aol.com wrote:

> you're a genius i hope you win one of those academy
> award type thingys they give to like really super 
> duper smart people!!


they give academy awards to smart ppl now?!?

fuck the nobel prize, I WANT AN OSCAR!!!!!

i'd like to thank all my fans that made this possible,......


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i dont know if this point has been made already or not but i will say it 
anyways...i think one of the reasons that we dont see a rise in big companys 
making alternative engery is because alot of big companies own alot of other 
companies ...i cant quote any facts right now as i am drunk but think about 
if an automobile co. owns even stock in a oil company why would they make an 
electric car?...that is my 2 cents

whendee


>From: Jon Gotti <j_gotti_dnb@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Jon Gotti <j_gotti_dnb@yahoo.com>
>To: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] like i give a shit
>Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:47:07 -0800 (PST)
>
>In my opinion it is probably because the oil companies
>are some of the biggest companies out their and have a
>pretty big lobby.
>Our economy would have a big change if alternative
>fuels were put into major affect, therefore we keep
>raping the earth in the usuall attempt to make dollars
>and bills.
>Kind of sad, seeing as a change to alternative fuels
>has got to be inevitable since oil is not a renewable
>resource.  Hell we already have the capability to
>change to various other sources of fuel that are
>renewable, but that would threaten those oil companies
>and we cant have that can we.
>Anyway, I guess im kind of a hipocrite though, seeing
>as I own a car that runs on petrolium based gas, and I
>do like to drive that fucker all over the place.  So
>in the long run I guess I'm just as guilty as those
>oil companies.
>signed
>Jon "waiting for the car of my dreams that runs off of
>alchohol (beer or rum preferebly)" Gotti
>
>--- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > True...when you run out of shit, shit gets wack =)
> > I *heart* gasoline =)
> > BUT!
> > I think the only reason we're not seeing much of
> > alternative fuel out there is because we have
> > shitpot
> > of oil. Trust me, if large corporations saw a direct
> > threat to their business because they would run out
> > of
> > natural resources, they'd be pumping billions of
> > dollars into alternative fuel engines and such.
> > Then again, who gives a shit. And didn't you know
> > that
> > I spin disco house now?
> >
> > DJ
> > Russiancommiepussytrancedjbitchwhonowspinsdiscohouse
> >
> > P.S. Did I mention that I like horses?
> >
> > --- pixie <pixie@bluegrass.net> wrote:
> > > and not a bit of any of that matters when it runs
> > > out. not trying to argue,
> > > just saying.
> > >
> > > you dirty republican russian commie pussy ass
> > trance
> > > dj
> > >
> > > you really need to cut back some there...it's
> > > starting to get a little out
> > > of hand...can't you quit spinning trance or
> > > something? ;]
> > >
> > > pixie
> > >
> > >
> >
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Oh...one more thing...what about bio-diesel..there is a website about it but 
i dont know what it is ...but i do know that bio diesel is eay to make 
cleaner then deisel and yuou get a little bit better mileage....that i think 
is a step in the right direction

whendee

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Year of the Dragon
Saturday, March 4th, 2000
Indianapolis, Indiana



Scarab Records is proud to present one of the greatest shows Indianapolis 
will ever see - Year of the Dragon.  From the ones who brought you Invasion, 
Ghetto Fabulous, Raising Milk Goats The Modern Way, The Aqua Centre, The 
Body Snatchers, Back To The Ghetto, Jungle Bells and Deep Love, comes an 
event like none other.  Scarab Records has worked diligently all year long 
to inspire and entertain you with some of the greatest electronic performers 
in the world.  To make it clear, this show will simply astound you.  We will 
be bringing the best talent, the brightest lights, the biggest sound and the 
most bad ass lasers this city has ever seen.  Fortune Cookie says - Prepare 
for a whole new experience, a whole new vision and a whole new year in 
music.  Prepare for the Year of the Dragon.



HARDFLOOR - Harthouse/Jackpot/No Respect - Live from Germany

Hardfloor IS Techno.  Hardfloor IS Acid House.  Hardfloor IS one of the 
greatest electronic bands on the planet.  Come join us for their first ever 
appearance in Indianapolis and see why they are respected throughout the 
world.  DJ Oliver Bondzio and producer Ramon Zenker formed this legendary 
techno band in Germany in 1991.  Hardfloor, with their signature dance-floor 
anthems, helped to solidify the acid-house trend that was circulating 
through Germany via Sven Vath, Pete Namlook and David Moufang.  It wasn't 
until after the release of the 11-minute, beat-tantalizer "Hardtrance 
Acperience" that the duo became a hot commodity in Germany for production 
and mixing.  Numerous recordings on the Harthouse label (owned by Sven Vath) 
ensued, including Respect (1995) and Home Run (1996).  Their sound soon 
became more advanced and more recognizable when the team incorporated 
trip-hop, electro and breakbeats into their repertoire.  On Saturday, March 
4th, you are going to receive a deep education in electronic music.  
Confucius say, "He who hear Hardfloor listens to the world."


MISSTRESS BARBARA - Energia Productions/Relentless - Montreal

Mix some drummy, funky, pumpin' techno with a jazzy shuffle and some 
repetitive Latin grooves and what do ya got?  Misstress Barbara bangin’ the 
box and doin' it like you've never seen before!  This hot and spicy Szechuan 
Princess is gonna rock it out for you for her first time ever in 
Indianapolis!  In just three years she's headlined shows with some of the 
most talented performers in the world including Carl Cox, Masters at Work, 
Cari Lekebusch, Adam Beyer and Frankie Bones.  Keep your eyes open for her 
first release "Endless Passion EP" on Relentless Records and keep your ears 
protected from the damage she will cause.  Confucius say, "She who rock the 
tables owns the spirit." - I say, "Hell ya!"


REVOLUTION 9 - Scarab Records - Live from Indianapolis

Our revolution has just begun.  It is one of intensity, one of mystery, and 
inevitably one of new visions.  Music will change the world again, but this 
time with an entirely new sound . . . the sound of Revolution 9.  Kevin 
Ahern and Jason Beatty formed this group in 1999 with one objective in mind: 
  to change the music we hear now and what we will hear in the future.  
Putting a strong emphasis on melody fused with unique and irresistible 
four-on-the-floor beats, this dynamic duo has truly made a name for 
themselves.  Expect to hear nothing but greatness coming out of their new 
studio this summer with their first full length CD, “Cities are for People”. 
  Confucius say, “Number 9, number 9, number 9 . . .”


SLATER HOGAN - Muzique Boutique/Genius Insanity - Indianapolis

You will soon find this mans name in the history books of house music.  
Slater Hogan has not only reinvented the house DJ but he has redefined what 
it means to play house music.  Borrowing from all genres and all continents 
Slater can create a mix of beautiful music and flowing rhythms able to pack 
dance floors all over the country, and he does.  Confucius say, “A man with 
gentle hand can mold the land.”


IMPERIAL SOUND SYSTEM - Hook and Pull Team - Louisville

Order ISS to take out or eat in, either way, their Mandarin style jungle and 
Hunan flavored drum and bass will keep you coming back for more.  Ain’t no 
Kung Pao Chickens here, put on your bib and prepare for a double delight of  
Moo Goo Gai Jungle from two of the most seasoned producers in their field.  
Trust us, unlike most Chinese food, after feasting on their set you won’t go 
home hungry.  Confucius say, “Warrior of jungle has no enemy, only harmony.”


ALI OBVIOUS - Bounce Theory - Dayton

Bamboo shoots, waterchestnuts and snow peas in hot garlic sauce ain’t got 
nothin’ on this man.  He is a Poo Poo Platter of original house and Shrimp 
Fried Techno.  Confucius say, “Man who beat house, beat all time.”


VARSHA - SUBterror/PTLF - Indianapolis

Goa Trance is morning bliss.  This SUBterrorist will not only make you crap 
in your Crab Rangoon, but he will also take you for a ride on the scaly 
serpent of surrealism.  Confucius say, “Light of man is birth of day.”


DJ PHASE - Scarab Records - Indianapolis

This Five-Star Mongolian Stir-fried Junglist will beat the Chow Mein outta 
your pretty face and shake the Chop Suey outta your tofu ass.   Confucius 
say, “Man who drum, can see future, man who bass, can control it.”


Chinese Palace opens at 10pm

Tickets to Paradise sold at the door
$20 the night of show - no pre-sale

Sound of thunder, sound of boom by Log
Light like lightening, light like firework by Project 7
Laser in mind, laser in spirit by Log

For more information contact Scarab Records @

Scarab Records
317.767.5103
Scarabsong@aol.com
Scarabrecords@aol.com
www.scarabrecords.com

If you would like to be on our mailing list please e-mail us at the address 
above or call our information line.

Thank You

______________________________________________________
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unfortunately our host server in new jersey downed itself early evening for 
reasons unknown... (right on time for an update too) 

so if you were trying to check the update I mailed... sorry... all I can say 
is try later in the week... trying to solve the problem as we speak...

http://beam.to/entro

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In a message dated 03/02/1970, 3:05:48 AM, nakedgirl666@hotmail.com writes:
<<..what about bio-diesel..there is a website about it but 
i dont know what it is ...but i do know that bio diesel is eay to make 
cleaner then deisel and yuou get a little bit better mileage....that i think 
is a step in the right direction>>


It's not going to happen! Why would the big oil companies have a good 
alternative to the stuff they have now? There's money to be made! Do you 
think the government would approve of a cure for cancer?!? aids?!?! the 
common cold?!?! Hell no! There's money to be made by the human race!!!

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In a message dated 3/1/00 11:22:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< ==[ This applies only to the list... for now. ]==
 ==[ A macroscopic endeavor will follow.  ]==
 
 There is a powerful spirit of negativity amongst us RIGHT NOW.
 
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==[ This applies only to the list... for now. ]==
==[ A macroscopic endeavor will follow.  ]==

There is a powerful spirit of negativity amongst us RIGHT NOW.

I'm asking for your help RIGHT NOW.

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???


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> Officer Omar Diaz, 26, was arrested in November 1999
> when police raided an illegal rave in a warehouse in
> Hialeah. He was charged with two counts of drug
> possession and two counts of selling small amounts
> of Ecstasy, Gonzalez said.

I thought this was kinda funny.  Every weekend, cops kick in the doors
on plenty of raves, and most of the kids (no matter how fucked up) still
have the presence of mind to empty out their pockets before the police
search them.  Yet, when the same thing happens to a COP, someone who's
supposed to know the law and such, he's just clueless... sounds like
this guy almost wanted to get caught.


>  Gonzalez said. Del Nodal was charged Monday with
> perjury for allegedly lying to investigators about his
> knowledge of Diaz's activity, Gonzalez said.

Big Brother is going to put you away now for not policing your fellow
man, k?  Fuck personal freedom.  Where's my vidscreen?

one love,
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> >anyone remember pleasure dome in dc in '94?...it
> >did not fair well...hopefully, this will be the true
> >pleasure dome!!...havin another attempt of paradise,
> >i guess...

wow stevie... you're so old school... will you be my friend?


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eek!  i'm not trying to cop a PC attitude about it!  i just think it's 
"asking for trouble".  like when you name your production company 
"guaranteed overdose" and then wonder why 6 people die at your party.  :/


At 01:31 AM 3/2/00 -0600, Brandon Ivers wrote:
> > err.  does it bother anyone else when they see dj names like:
> >          china white
> >          arjay ketamine
> >          e-sassin
>
>no, it bothers me more when people pick apart shit like that and
>actually make it an issue. I'm surprised you of all people would
>cop such a politically correct attitude about something like this!
>
>Brandon


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<< AOL is geared to target people who do not have the
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I love you stevie t

--- Steviet069@aol.com wrote:
> kode wrote:
> <<You are
>  all addicted, and StevieT is just your drug..
>     So flame away little druggies, and keep my days
>  filled with something to do...>>
> 
> admit it kiddies, i'm better than crack!!...instead
> of od'ing, you get skooled on the plight of
> minorities,
> mw-raves scene history, the spiritual influence of
> the scene, and political issues!...plus i get to
> play
> martyr boy & take everybody's flames for the sheer
> entertainment of the list...my pain for your
> pleasures
> ..gotta give props for that!!
> 
> but i think when the title of the thread is "pissed
> off asian dude" and you open your flame with racist
> remarks and continue with inane personal attacks,
> you're bound to get flamed back!
> 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 02 16:41:57 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] "Absinthe" - March 4 - Normal, IL
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Oh jesus michael, dj's have been naming themselves
with drug references for fucking years now, no one is
getting in trouble for what they dj under.  Hell, if
you were taken seriously by what you play under, I
would have the fucking FBI, CIA, NSA, and Mafia all
out to get me.
On second thought.......
where did that tin foil hat go too??? 

--- michael knight <michael@happy.hardcorps.org>
wrote:
> eek!  i'm not trying to cop a PC attitude about it! 
> i just think it's 
> "asking for trouble".  like when you name your
> production company 
> "guaranteed overdose" and then wonder why 6 people
> die at your party.  :/
> 
> 
> At 01:31 AM 3/2/00 -0600, Brandon Ivers wrote:
> > > err.  does it bother anyone else when they see
> dj names like:
> > >          china white
> > >          arjay ketamine
> > >          e-sassin
> >
> >no, it bothers me more when people pick apart shit
> like that and
> >actually make it an issue. I'm surprised you of all
> people would
> >cop such a politically correct attitude about
> something like this!
> >
> >Brandon
> 
> 
>
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hey stevie did the girlies kick you out yet?

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trucks should be banned.  goods should be shipped via rail only.  the last 
stress-free highway drive i had was on xmas day when all the truckers had 
the day off.

if you are sick of paying high gas prices, invent a car that runs on your 
own excrement.  maybe even just start walking places, or taking the 
bus.  barring that, have a coke and a smile and SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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you're not punk, and i'm telling everyone.

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to save money on gas, i've decided to have stevie t pull me around in a 
rick-sha.

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john tesh!

(or was it jon dica?)

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whatever happened to the kellogg club?

i saw pavement play there.  they had FREE POPCORN!!

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ahahhaha those mexicans, you never know what to expect from them next!

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i don't think they are gonna get in trouble for it, i just think it's stupid.

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Syceda Rhythm presents...

ANDELAY
Saturday March 11, 2000
Kansas City, Missouri Area
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Johne tesh sucks ass!!!!
and so does Jon Dica!!!!
another mindless post brought to you by the Jon Gotti
corporation.
The Jon Gotti corporation, posting useless shit since
way back in tha day, when you think of useless shit to
read, think of Jon Gotti.
:-)

--- michael knight <michael@happy.hardcorps.org>
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> john tesh!
> 
> (or was it jon dica?)
> 
>
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anyone know of any scratch sample records that have this sample on them?

"i'm a hardcore dj!"

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That statement just proves my point even further.

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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, michael knight wrote:

> 
> if you are sick of paying high gas prices, invent a car that runs on your 
> own excrement.  maybe even just start walking places, or taking the 
> bus.  barring that, have a coke and a smile and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
> 
 
Ford has one coming out in 2003.  It gets 32 miles per log and has
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In a message dated 03/02/1970, 11:48:10 AM, michael@happy.hardcorps.org 
writes:
<<"i'm a hardcore dj!">>

There is a hard house rekkid by Nemesis vs the Punisha which has a sample.

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I have a bunch of tracks I want to batch-process in Sound Forge, mostly
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hiss, etc.?  Any other settings I should tweak?

Unless there's a superior method/tool that I'm missing completely...
Normalizing by peak level is too arbitrary for batch processing... I
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>>Johne tesh sucks ass!!!! and so does Jon Dica!!!!

Yes, but the important question is:  Does Jon Dica suck ass WELL???

:)

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Kevin Michael Robbins wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Mar 2000, michael knight wrote:
>
> >
> > if you are sick of paying high gas prices, invent a car that runs on your
> > own excrement.  maybe even just start walking places, or taking the
> > bus.  barring that, have a coke and a smile and SHUT THE FUCK UP.
> >
>
> Ford has one coming out in 2003.  It gets 32 miles per log and has
> virtually no negative impact on the environment.

So if you had to make a long drive would you have to eat a lot of
fiber-rich foods and take a bunch of laxatives?



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http://slashdot.org/articles/00/03/01/2230240.shtml

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now we can settle this debate and get on with our lives!  steviet,
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Saturday March 4th . central ohio . DEDICATION |

IN THE MAIN DOMAIN:
For the first time ever in Ohio......the NorthEast's most legendary live
PA.....

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IN THE SECOND ROOM:
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visuals:
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vending:
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Our space will comfortably hold 2000 guests and there's still room to run
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From: Tony Sebion <tony@sebion.com>
To: "'mw-raves@hyperreal.org'" <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Subject: NRR RE: Who's the biggest bastard? was Re: [mw] who is worse? Ste
	vieT or the people that respond?
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i got 60% but then again i'm sure i know a lot of people that would assume
it was even higher..

-t

-----Original Message-----
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or the people that respond?


now we can settle this debate and get on with our lives!  steviet,
gregori, et al head on over to http://test3.thespark.com/bastardtest/.
who can beat my 55% bastard rating?

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    any1 have the full line up for this party march 18th?





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has any1 seen this guy around latly? i want soem moer of his musik.. any1 got 
it???


Gabe





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In a message dated 3/2/0 8:32:20 AM, you wrote:

<<they give academy awards to smart ppl now?!?

fuck the nobel prize, I WANT AN OSCAR!!!!!

i'd like to thank all my fans that made this possible,......>>

yeah, i think ronald reagan won one, best actor
for his us presidency!

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In a message dated 3/2/0 3:51:49 PM, gdamiani wrote:

<<wow stevie... you're so old school... will you be my friend?>>

shhhh!...you're blowin my cover!...i'm a newbie boobie!
...now get back to makin fun of me!

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In a message dated 3/2/0 4:32:02 PM, j_gotti wrote:

<<I love you stevie t>>

omigawd!!!...jon gotti is gay!!!

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On 03/02/2000 2:49 PM Trancedanz@aol.com prophesized the following:

> has any1 seen this guy around latly? i want soem moer of his musik.. any1 got
> it???
> 


try mailing him at cykowar@hotmail.com




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In a message dated 3/2/0 5:02:25 PM,michael wrote:

<<to save money on gas, i've decided to have stevie t pull me 
around in a rick-sha.>>

s'all good, i serve him coke w/ my pee in it too!

yur right, michael excrement is better than gas!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 02 21:30:36 2000
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alright are we STILL talking about aol...hmm.  Well I see what Brennen is=

saying, but on the other hand, I'd much rather learn how to do configure
email, create a dialer, etc.  The more you know the more you grow...and I=

don't feel like I'm wasting time.  I'd rather learn the shit, than have t=
o
deal with aol advertisements all over the damn place.  I'm not knockin' a=
ol, I
used to be a member, but that was before I disovered dsl connection...heh=
eh
then I was like "phuck aol man".  Aol is not compatible for my web design=
ing
that I do...therefore I don't use it.  My reason for hating Aol is becaus=
e
they tried to get me for over 300 dollars worth of connection fee's becau=
se
some NumbNut didn't follow procedure and didn't explain to me certain thi=
ngs. =

Nor did he send me written documentation of what he was explaining.  So I=

basically told the guy, "this is why people leave aol, shady business".

While aol is a reasonable isp, i hardly think it's all that..shit...why g=
et
aol when you can get netzero, etc etc.  =


Anyway, I should hope that this is the end of the "aol" saga.  It's getti=
n a
wee bit sour....heheh but if you want to continue..that's cool by me...i'=
m
basically just kiddin' around anywayz....

Peace n Blessing's
Fuego!
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<< AOL is geared to target people who do not have the
  desire and/or mental capacity to learn how to
  configure an email, create a dialer, etc. Basically
  it's made for idiots, which is why it's so popular. >>
  =

Mental capacity? What's smarter: knowing how to do these things, or not =

wasting your time doing them when you don't have to?

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                                                              3/2000
To whom it may concern:
	I am an agent for PJ Midnight who is a progressive-house DJ off the East 
Coast.  He has been in the East Coast rave and club scene for over seven 
years.  He was most recently working with Star Children Productions.  Due to 
a job offer for a position in animation-audio-graphic design and a chance to 
expand his field, he has recently relocated to the San Diego area.  He is 
hoping to involve himself more and join the celebration of music and 
movement to expand his party family relations.
	I would love to send you his most recent demo CD of his mixing at a live 
performance, and including two originals.  He is also currently working in 
the studio on more originals (http://www.mp3.com/pjmidnight).  He would 
greatly appreciate any insight, advice, and feedback so that he can know 
what is pleasing to his fellow music members and can improve his 
performance.  We would also appreciate any info, flyers, etc of any events 
and contacts.  It is wonderful to be able to travel the world and find the 
family still flowing to the music and continuing the celebration of life.
	Please contact me if you have any questions, comments, info, and/or you 
would be interested in a demo.  Please just send me any information that 
would help me in mailing it to you.  Thank you for your time.

                        Ambrosia Gatherings, Atlanta

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>
>has any1 seen this guy around latly? i want soem moer of his musik.. any1 
>got it???

I got a mix tape...my mind fails me as to which one but I have one of 
them...also he's gonna be in KC next saturday...the 11th...werd

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only for you big stevie

--- Steviet069@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 3/2/0 4:32:02 PM, j_gotti wrote:
> 
> <<I love you stevie t>>
> 
> omigawd!!!...jon gotti is gay!!!
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i was at

www.theonion.com

and saw

>Mommy Not Moving
>ST. LOUIS--According to 4-year-old Ashley Theiss, Mommy is not moving.
Mommy, a 36->year-old St. Louis-area pretty lady, has reportedly been
sleeping on the dining-room floor >ever since eating all of her little pills
Monday. Though she had been rendered immobile on >numerous previous
occasions after being hit with Daddy-wielded chairs, Mommy has never >before
gone to sleep for such a long period of time.



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the thing is though change has to happen. its inevitable, not because of
the fact that the oil companies don't want to change, its because fossil
fuel _IS_ a limited resource. what could happen is that all the patents
that the oil companies allegidly buy, they will put to use. so oil
companies will still be a large conglomerate organization but under the
guise of a different name. you're right there is money to be made from the
human race, but the resources will inevitably be different.
just to tweak the idea a bit, i read an article about NASA and space
flight and how they are laggin in they're progression forward into making
space colonies. . at least in a one person's mind. well this guy,
after not wanting to deal with NASA bullshite any longer decided that he
would like to do what the government has been trying to do. . develop a
one man space ship that could leave and enter earths orbit with ease. he
hasn't succeeded of course, but he has placed NASA
on the same level as the common person, by setting up a competition. the
person who develops the first one-person space ship to orbit the earth
recieves, 10 million dollars. he acknowledges that the sum is pretty small
in comparison. i mean 20 million dollar lotteries happen just about
everyweek, but the point is that the money is simply an added incentive to
fulfill a  dream that a hypothetical designer already had. 

On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 PHILFART@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 03/02/1970, 3:05:48 AM, nakedgirl666@hotmail.com writes:
> <<..what about bio-diesel..there is a website about it but 
> i dont know what it is ...but i do know that bio diesel is eay to make 
> cleaner then deisel and yuou get a little bit better mileage....that i think 
> is a step in the right direction>>
> 
> 
> It's not going to happen! Why would the big oil companies have a good 
> alternative to the stuff they have now? There's money to be made! Do you 
> think the government would approve of a cure for cancer?!? aids?!?! the 
> common cold?!?! Hell no! There's money to be made by the human race!!!
> 


i think the problem is this. we are too impatient to see things change,
and yet we are "too lazy" to fix things as fast as possible. "cure for
aids" you say. well, its pending. as for cancer, trying to say that "this
gene causes cancer and if we eliminate this gene, cancer will be gone"
just doesn't work. AIDS and cancer is a much larger phenomenon than the
one word names they provoke. "rm cancer" or "delete AIDS" is just not
feasible, yet. :)

phil, flash files? still waiting
-Choppie:)


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yet another party with GOOD GOOD techno that pHryL is involved with!!
whoop whoop!!

for you kidz heading out to Destiny/WEMF '00 July 14th weekend in the
Toronto area, Phryl is supposed to be handling the bookings for the techno
tent!! YAYAY!!

there is hope to see the swedes at Destiny this year!  =)

i have to get out to Pittsburgh for this party!  i just have to...

peace
tiffanie


--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> YUMMY!!!!!!!!! I'll be there with bells on !
> <3lorie
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 
> From: AvaMystik@aol.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:50:35 EST
> Subject: {pb-cle} ~SATURDAY, MAY 6, 2000 COURT OF CHAOS~
> To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org
> 
> Saturday, May 6, 2000  ----    Court of Chaos    
> Infinite Velocity Productions with support from pHryL International
> present:
> 
> Adam Beyer
> [drumcode, code red - stockholm, sweden]  3 turn tables
> www.drumcode.se
> 
> The young prodigy that took on the rest of the techno world, and by 
> dethroning Detroit and the UK, established Sweden as the pre-eminent
> techno 
> country in the late 90's. Since then, Beyer has become one of the
> world's 
> most sought after and most appreciated techno producers and DJs. His 
> releases on Drumcode and Code Red are constantly pushing the barriers
> into 
> new unchartered territories of rich sound, deep bass and drum beat. The
> Adam 
> Beyer signature sound is already legendary, and there is no real techno
> DJ 
> that doesn't have at least several of his records in constant rotation. 
> Experience his flawless style and a flood of yet to be released white
> labels 
> as he makes his Pittsburgh debut, and a long awaited return to the
> entire
> area.
> 
> 
> Misstress Barbara
> [tronic, primate, relentless - montreal, canada]  3 turn tables
> www.tronicmusic.com
> 
> Step down Miss Djax, Monika Kruse or Electric Indigo. The Misstress is
> the 
> new queen of techno worldwide. Her releases on some of the most
> respected 
> techno labels during '99 have reinforced the notion of how deep her
> talent 
> is. Barbara's relentless and signiture sound and great impeccable DJ
> skills have landed her gigs all over Europe, the Far East and South
> America. Making her first appearance 
> in the Pittsburgh and the surrounding area, it should be a threat for 
> everyone to see and hear the Misstress at work. She will certainly
> change
> your perception of techno.
> 
> 
> DJ T-1000
> [pure sonik, tresor - detroit]  3 turn tables
> www.tresorberlin.de
> 
> Even the most casual partygoer has doubtlessly at sometime in their life
> heard the music suddenly go dead and be replaced by a booming voice
> announcing some of the greatest talent on tables. This is the voice of
> DJ
> T-1000: Alan D. Oldham.  With influences ranging from Massive Attack and
> Timbaland to Juan Atkins and Regis, Oldham's output has taken down the
> borders, combined the concepts and blended the elements into
> autobiographical narrative. The releases on Pure Sonik and Tresor are
> the
> testament of his meticulous work. His DJing all over the World is the
> testament that he's welcome and embraced passionately by the audiences
> everywhere. Wish him a happy b-day too ;-)
> 
> 
> Nigel Richards
> [611 records - philadephia]
> www.611records.com
> 
> The man behind one of the best known electronic music and clothing 
> stores in America. Since he started DJing almost 10 years ago, he has
> been 
> the crowd's favorite. As one of the bussiest DJ's on the circuit, he's
> all
> over the place several nights a week rocking the crowds. He has also
> started producing recently, so look out for some of his new work coming
> out
> soon. With his unique style, blending house and techno, he will always
> be
> the one to get you up on your feet dancing.
> 
> Kaos
> [Atlantiq/Good Looking Records/Elite Recordings, SF]
> www.eliterecordings.com
> 
> An original east coast DnB pioneer will be back to Pittsburgh to show us
> all 
> what it's really about.  Originally from Philly, now residing in San 
> Fransisco he is showing the west coast what real DnB is.
> 
> >>Eye-D
>    Eye-D is one of the stars behind the Roterdam scene.  This is
> definately a 
> set not to be missed.  This will be his first PA appearance.  Welcome
> this 
> international man of mystery while he shows us what Fusion of hardcore
> and 
> gabber really are.
> 
> Also you'll be hearing some or our talented locals throughout the
> evening.
> Red Commi Bastard
> Dj Darwin
> Reliant & Ratana   *special tag team set
> Dj Moose
> Michael Knight
> Army of Angst
> 
> For more information contact: 412-734-5425  I_v_crew@wizardworkshop.com
> 
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> err.  does it bother anyone else when they see dj names like:
>          china white
>          arjay ketamine
>          e-sassin

No, none of them bother me.  I don't really bother worrying about a DJ's
name, especially when they rock as hard as Arjay Ketamine.

> etc?  i mean, why make a blatant drug reference in your name if you take
> yourself seriously as a dj?

You can call yourself whatever you want to call yourself and it doesn't
affect how good you are at spinning or if you play good tracks or not.

Crack rock in my ass

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March 17th 2000
PANTY RAiD
Sista Jade Entertainment
House of Babylon BROductions

Featuring:
DJ Deeon - Booty House - DanceMania/Roule
Frankie Vega - Techno - Mushgroove
Mazi - House -  UC Afterhours/Moody/Subliminal
ThreeJay - House -UndaGround Elements/the Pros
Shiva - Techno - SUBterror
Jaede - Trance - Sista Jade Ent
Charles Paul - Trance - Sista Jade Ent
Dementia - Trance - Log 2 Sound System DJs

$10
This is the pre party to PLEASURE DOME
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

March 18th, 2000
THE PLEASURE DOME

Featuring
A-Trak - Turntablism - The Allies - Montreal
Scott Henry - Hard Techno/Trance - Washington DC
Nigel Richards - Techno/House - 611 Records - Philly
Product 19 - Techno - House of Styles - Pittsburg
***And the House of Babylon HOSTiLE TAKEOVER***
Chocolate (The Freaky AfroNaut)     K-Step
              Blair Brown           danDave
*******************************************
$20 Before Midnight
$25 After

Free masseuse tables from 1-3

House of Babylon 317 592 9236
HouseBabylon@aol.com

SistaJade Entertainment  317 704 1642
SistaJadeEnt@aol.com

AfterHours provided by Organized Chaos 
featuring the Log2 Sound System DJs!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

March 24th, 2000
MiCROCOSM version 1.0
DiscoDisciples d'Amour

Featuring

DJ Moda - Trance - Trancefussion - SanFran
Sean Patrick - Trance - IRA - Ireland
Xian The X-Man - House - CBS - Cincy
DJ Dementia - Trance - Log2 Sound System DJs
Adam Abstrakt - Hard House - Log2 Sound System DJs

2 x 4 Tag Team Marathon
Chocolate (The Freaky AfroNaut) & Blair Brown - Techno
K-Step & danDave - Jungle

$10

DiscoDisciples d'Amour  317 713 7123
DiscoHotLine@aol.com
MicroMonthlyInfo@aol.com (Vending and GuestList)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

March 31st
BURN! @ The HotSpot
MysteryMixx Entertainment

Three TurnTable Bliss From:

Mumtazz - Genius Insanity - Chicago
Chocolate (The Freaky AfroNaut) - HofB/The Pros - Earth

Tag Team Bliss From
Slater Hogan & CyberJive - Genius Insanity - Indy/New Orleans

Also featuring 
K-Step - HofB/SubWarped/The Pros - Indy
& More

$5 with valid IU/Bloomington ID
$10 without

MysteryMixx Entertainment
317 375 7882
mysterymixx@netscape.net
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

April 7th, 2000
BULLETPROOF
MysteryMixx Entertainment

James Christian
DriveTrain
Chocolate (The Freaky AfroNaut)
& More

$15

MysteryMixx Entertainment
317 375 7882
mysterymixx@netscape.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

April 28th, 2000
MiCROCOSM version 2.0
DiscoDisciples d'Amour

Featuring 

Tony B! - Hard House/House - Underground Construction/ Chicago
DJ Toki - Progressive House - SoundinMotion/StLouis
Adam Abstrakt - Hard House - Log 2 Sound System DJs/Amish Country
& More!

$10

DiscoDisciples d'Amour  317 713 7123
DiscoHotLine@aol.com
MicroMonthlyInfo@aol.com (Vending and GuestList)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

April 21st, 2000
BURN! @ the HotSpot
MysteryMixx Entertainment

Acts TBA

$5 with valid Indiana U./Bloomington ID
$10 without

MysteryMixx Entertainment
317 375 7882
mysterymixx@netscape.net
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

June 3rd, 2000
WET DREAMz - Pajama Jama Jam pt 2
House of Babylon BROductions

Featuring 

Christopher Lawrence
DJ Moda
JazzE
DaveAude
Baby Anne 
Chocolate (The Freaky AfroNaut)
& more

$20 
$15 if you wear sleeping attire/PJs/etc.

House of Babylon BROductions
317 592 9236
HouseBabylon@aol.com

June 10th, 2000
Absolut UndaGround
SistaJade Entertainment

Acts TBA

SistaJade Entertainment
317 704 1462
SistaJadeEnt@aol.com


July 22nd, 2000
COCOA AMORE - Chocolate's B-Day BJ Bash!
House of Babylon BROductions
& DiscoDisciples d'Amour

Featuring 

Barbara Tucker - Live!
sXperience - Live!
& More

$15

House of Babylon BROductions 
317 592 9236
HouseBabylon@aol.com

DiscoDisciples d'Amour
317 713 7123
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--------The Indianapolis Alliance---------
               317 413 6153 (office)
HofB           SistaJade    MysteryMixx
           DiscoDisciplesD'Amour
SubWarped Rec     Mighty Tikki God Rec
                *.* recordings
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Trancedanz@aol.com wrote:

>     any1 have the full line up for this party march 18th?

The flyer is up at www.nautigrooveproductions.nu



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i don't think they are gonna get in trouble for it, i just think it's stupid.

_____________________________________________________________________
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does anyone know where i can find the story that prompted louisville's 
sudden crack down on raves prior to 2.1200?

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i wonder if you guys have thought about the possibility that all of the oil
companies have already patented alternative fuel solutions, and are simply
holding onto them until, perhaps better technology? the last of the fuel now
runs out? i don't know....it's only a theory, but it'd be interesting to
think about and look into...

the conspiracy theory faery

:the thing is though change has to happen. its inevitable, not because of
:the fact that the oil companies don't want to change, its because fossil
:fuel _IS_ a limited resource. what could happen is that all the patents
:that the oil companies allegidly buy, they will put to use. so oil
:companies will still be a large conglomerate organization but under the
:guise of a different name. you're right there is money to be made from the
:human race, but the resources will inevitably be different.

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In a message dated 3/2/0 9:11:39 PM, skatter@zombieworld.com wrote:

<<Is that anything like Al Gore "creating" the internet?  
Kinda sounds like it... >>

al gore created the internet?...but pixie told me it was
bill gates!

hey skatterbrain is zombieworld like wayne's world
for dead fools like you?

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In a message dated 3/2/0 5:16:55 PM, michael wrote:

<<ahahhaha those mexicans, you never know what to expect 
from them next!>>

jesus, you really *are* racist michael!!


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In a message dated 3/2/0 2:54:54 PM, you wrote:

<<For some conflicts, silence is the best rebuttal.
 
 I thank you for your cooperation, and your temperance
 
 True to the game...
 --=-=#=-#==[ Grandpa ]==#-=#=-=-- >>>>

shaddup, you old fart!!...i saw grandma and she's
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 03:34:39 2000
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this is the most retarded thing i've ever read!

just because your a cop means you can't go to 
a rave?...and they got fired for it!!...that is so
lame!!

almost as lame as this cop that lost his job 
here cuz he posed with some strippers & it
was his job to work there too!!

it must suck to be a cop cuz you can't do anything
fun...it must suck even more when the realization
that your co-workers have lost their lives or 
limbs all for what?...protecting a system that
forces minorities into crime because it ensures
that the rich get richer & the poor get poorer!

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In a message dated 3/2/0 9:19:49 PM, blitz wrote:

<<ry mailing him at cykowar@hotmail.com>>

hotmail sux!!

pixie told me!!

i believe her cuz she's an academy award winner!!

that means she's like really academic & stuff, so
you she knows what she's talkin about!!

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In a message dated 3/2/0 8:32:20 AM, you wrote:

<<they give academy awards to smart ppl now?!?

fuck the nobel prize, I WANT AN OSCAR!!!!!

i'd like to thank all my fans that made this possible,......>>

yeah, i think ronald reagan won one, best actor
for his us presidency!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 04:28:58 2000
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so... greg is a sick geek, which means that he has too much time on his
hands, which means that we finally have an updated website!  whoo!

check us out:
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(thought this would be nicer than spamming you with the lineup once again
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 04:52:35 2000
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you can try louipimps.com or untranslatable.com





I'll see you all there.
The place where you lose yourself
The place where you find yourself 
All in the same instant
That's the music
That's where i'll be

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 05:14:30 2000
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so check it...
anyone got any info on butterflies...good/bad, smacky/speedy.  Ecstacy.or=
g is
down and I want to see if they are any good.  Reply privately please...


peace n blessin's

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Anybody have a copy of Addict 01 that they're willing to part with (or
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In a message dated 3/2/0 4:32:02 PM, j_gotti wrote:

<<I love you stevie t>>

omigawd!!!...jon gotti is gay!!!

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In a message dated 3/2/0 8:25:32 AM, man_in_black wrote:

<<please sir, take your roommates with you. Let me ask you this 
tho Mr. Tsang, do you really trust where you live?

Thomas>>

let me ask you this mr. english muffin, if you're a man in black,
does that make you a black man or a white man in a black suit
that is professionally employed to keep the black man down?


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i'm no dreddless hippie raver, but i'd like to get in on some of that
action too!  

hit me back!


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 06:43:03 2000
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ahhhh...life is spicey hot wings & beer...

now if there were only some more newbie
boobies walkin around...

choose life...

choose somethin different...

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 07:05:00 2000
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>>Johne tesh sucks ass!!!! and so does Jon Dica!!!!
>
>Yes, but the important question is:  Does Jon Dica suck ass WELL???

only on thursdays.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 07:26:40 2000
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Trancedanz@aol.com wrote:
> 
> has any1 seen this guy around latly? i want soem moer of his musik.. any1 got
> it???
> 
> Gabe
> 
> I'll see you all there.
> The place where you lose yourself
> The place where you find yourself
> All in the same instant
> That's the music
> That's where i'll be
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We're having him in Kansas City on Saturday March 11, 2000.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 07:29:19 2000
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	Hello, i just rejoined this list after a three year
hiatus. At the time the mail volume was unbarable but
i was told that had changed. 
	My name is Stephen. Iam a techno dj from the KC area.
I still love to party, so no geezr complaints from me.
	I also run a mailing list for Techno djs and techno
fanatics. "mwtechnodj@egroups.com". If interested,
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GOD!!!!!!


your so cool, stevie!!!!!!!!!


*Deffinatnatly* need to bring up someone who hasnt said a DAMN thing towards
you scince you decided to come back on the list and be a dipshit!!!!


prooving once again JUST how fucking MORONIC you REALLY are!!!!!!!


dipshit.



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>
>In a message dated 3/2/0 9:19:49 PM, blitz wrote:
>
><<ry mailing him at cykowar@hotmail.com>>
>
>hotmail sux!!
>
>pixie told me!!
>
>i believe her cuz she's an academy award winner!!
>
>that means she's like really academic & stuff, so
>you she knows what she's talkin about!!
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 09:59:15 2000
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Sequence ver 2.0 

Friday March 17th , Cincinnati, Ohio

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On 03/02/2000 2:49 PM Trancedanz@aol.com prophesized the following:

> has any1 seen this guy around latly? i want soem moer of his musik.. any1 got
> it???
> 


try mailing him at cykowar@hotmail.com




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Everybody is an enemy.  fuck it I hate everybody.
I'm not a part of any scene, I do my own thing.
my mind is the machine gun, my body is the bullets,
and my audience is the target!!!

I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists
and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
I am chaos.  I am alive and tell you that you are free.

Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 13:25:20 2000
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if memory serves me right...

there is a man who uses traditional japanese cooking style to tell the tale 
of his village's very lifeblood.

I summon...

JAPANESE IRON CHEF!

entro
step into my kitchen stadium.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 14:16:58 2000
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I'm probably bending over, asking for a kick in the ass... but I love that
fucknig show.

one love



Kidentropy@aol.com wrote:

> if memory serves me right...
>
> there is a man who uses traditional japanese cooking style to tell the tale
> of his village's very lifeblood.
>
> I summon...
>
> JAPANESE IRON CHEF!
>
> entro
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> ahhhh...life is spicey hot wings & beer...

werd up
(jesus did I just say that to a stevie pee post?)
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 15:05:56 2000
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>>I'm probably bending over, asking for a kick in the ass... but I love that 
>>fucknig show.

Fucknig?  Is that like Fizzgig?  :)

It's ok...I live for Emeril Live.

BAM!

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> I'm probably bending over, asking for a kick in the ass... but I love that
> fucknig show.

One night I got so caught up in watching The Iron Chef that I didn't
bother watching The Lover, commercial free, on the Canadian arts channel
Bravo.  Iron Chef is hypnotic...

Although, the chef from Ebola Syndrome is pretty bad ass....

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 15:11:33 2000
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>Hello, i just rejoined this list after a three year
>hiatus. 

 That's ok, they always come back. <3vil 3lf laughter>

>At the time the mail volume was unbarable but
>i was told that had changed. 

*LOL* Who told you that nonsense? I hope you're familiar with Yahoo's mail filters.. "Block
Address" is a particularly handy feature.

>My name is Stephen. Iam a techno dj from the KC area.

 Ooh techno. Not familiar with much of your playlist...Haven't heard the new Beyer.. I thought
Tito's "Pornographic" EP was kind of predictable, personally..Guess that fits the title.. I think
his recent collaboration with Morgan Geist was pretty cool though I ended up putting it back on
the shelf..

>I still love to party, so no geezr complaints from me.

 Me, too.. 'Cept all the old geezers making fun of my candy necklaces & ruining my roll.. They
need some Geritol PLUR or some vibey Metamucil! 

>I also run a mailing list for Techno djs and techno
>fanatics. "mwtechnodj@egroups.com". If interested,
>please feel free to join.

 Thanks, but I'm full up on mailing lists.. ;p


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 15:13:06 2000
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welcome to mw-foodtv-addicts@one-more-notch.com

2001 was on Bravo last night, widescreen, no commercials... or maybe it was
TCM... whatever.  It kicked ass and I watch too much tv.



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 15:17:57 2000
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sorry but the following post is incoherent and amazingly off topic m
y brains bin in overdrive

so hotmail screwed up my folders and got everything out of chronological 
order so I've had to look at all those posts I decided to check later
coming across the race ones I decided I'd pose a question to the list about 
the future

america does their set up by no means right
even by in the ethically depraved corporate mindset still a huge amount of 
resources time and space are mismanaged away into nothing
I've thought this for awhile now and found more and more examples of the 
world economy which america engenders upon ther cultures wasting and wasting

and recently I've decided to take up the mathematical challenge of writing 
up an equation and paper providing for the most efficient use of the world 
for humanity
my problem occurs in changing of peoples ways and cultures
everything looks like its balancing out but how many of the worlds 
population do you think would be willing to unite together to save life our 
species and our planet?
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 15:21:08 2000
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>>It kicked ass and I watch too much tv.

Nah...but don't forget everyone...be on TNT Sunday night at 8pm to watch our 
lovely Miss Jodie Foster search for ET in "Contact".  :)

I'll be there in my comfy couch with a 10-strip and bottle of pop watching 
Miss Foster work it.  :)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 15:33:28 2000
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fossil
:fuel _IS_ a limited resource. what could happen is that all the patents
:that the oil companies allegidly buy, they will put to use. so oil
:companies will still be a large conglomerate organization but under the
:guise of a different name. you're right there is money to be made from the
:human race,
in relation to my other post
even in this fucked up evil way of thinking,lets make a profit for us haves 
off of those have nots, it(our current setup as a globe) still doesnt work. 
still amazingly inefficient and cycling down to nothing in the end .almost 
like a landowner deciding to strip mine a forest for two trees firewood 
worth of coal... wtf

ever read william gibson?
lotechs man
all the way
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 15:48:44 2000
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i defy gravity ... flying through twisted highways
in a world that looks a bit like unicron but is less alive... or maybe 
just closer to death.

i don't remember doing anything there except flying around.

please tell me that's fiction.

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>i defy gravity ... flying through twisted highways
>in a world that looks a bit like unicron but is less alive... 

unicron.. heh. great.

>or maybe just closer to death.

>i don't remember doing anything there except flying around.

>please tell me that's fiction.

i think that's for us (humanity), collectively, to determine. Anyone read "The Diamond Age" by
Neal Stephenson (author of "Snow Crash")??



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> i think that's for us (humanity), collectively, to determine. Anyone read "The Diamond Age" by
> Neal Stephenson (author of "Snow Crash")??

heh....that's the second time in six months stephenson's books have been
mentioned on this list, which is awesome. personally i preferred snow
crash because of it's emphasis on linguistics and evolution, but diamond
age had some important social commentary. definately some of the best
cy-fi being written today, especially if you're down with stephenson's in
depth (somewhat lengthy but very informative) explanations. just stay away
from zodiac, his first novel, an "eco-thriller." ;P

/j

* * *

and now I exercise the basic law of Bastard Operating which roughly says,
Bastard Operators don't just win. anyone can win. Bastard Operators win
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 16:23:35 2000
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too cynical people are, yes...mmmm...idealism pure
cannot reality change, yes...

--Will

--- crack head <angylduzt@hotmail.com> wrote:
> sorry but the following post is incoherent and
> amazingly off topic m
> y brains bin in overdrive
> 
> so hotmail screwed up my folders and got everything
> out of chronological 
> order so I've had to look at all those posts I
> decided to check later
> coming across the race ones I decided I'd pose a
> question to the list about 
> the future
> 
> america does their set up by no means right
> even by in the ethically depraved corporate mindset
> still a huge amount of 
> resources time and space are mismanaged away into
> nothing
> I've thought this for awhile now and found more and
> more examples of the 
> world economy which america engenders upon ther
> cultures wasting and wasting
> 
> and recently I've decided to take up the
> mathematical challenge of writing 
> up an equation and paper providing for the most
> efficient use of the world 
> for humanity
> my problem occurs in changing of peoples ways and
> cultures
> everything looks like its balancing out but how many
> of the worlds 
> population do you think would be willing to unite
> together to save life our 
> species and our planet?
>
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>From: Steviet069@aol.com
>Reply-To: Steviet069@aol.com
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re:  Re: [mw] T H E P L E A S U R E D O M E --March 18, 2000 -- 
>Indianapolis
>Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 00:58:09 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 3/2/0 8:25:32 AM, man_in_black wrote:
>
>
>let me ask you this mr. english muffin, if you're a man in black,
>does that make you a black man or a white man in a black suit
>that is professionally employed to keep the black man down?
>
>
my race doesn't matter sir, if anything that'll help give me away when we 
are keeping tabs on you. All that does matter Mr Tsang is that thanks to 
you, we have been able to infultrate the "RAVE" culture more then we ever 
could have imagined. Enough that now the Russian Secret Police have joined 
us so that they may now get tips on how to destroy their own countrys' 
"Rave" scene.

thank you for your help sir
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>From now on when referring to a Rave, you must now also include the words 
"all night dance party". Thus, you no longer will say "I'm going to a rave." 
or "I'm throwing a rave." or even "I am the creator of the Ohio rave scene." 
It'll now be stated as such: "I am the creator of the Ohio rave all night 
dance party scene." or "I am a Superstar Rave all night dance party DJ."

this will keep us in compliance with the news media

thank you for your assimilation
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 <A HREF="http://www.vinylium.ch/stuka/dubcut.html">Click here: The Dubplate 
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yes yes, and we all must be underage and tripping till all we can do is have
wild sex on the floor of the illegal venue with anyone/anything within
reach.

----- Original Message -----
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>From now on when referring to a Rave, you must now also include the words
"all night dance party". Thus, you no longer will say "I'm going to a rave."
or "I'm throwing a rave." or even "I am the creator of the Ohio rave scene."
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dance party scene." or "I am a Superstar Rave all night dance party DJ."

this will keep us in compliance with the news media

thank you for your assimilation
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 17:17:22 2000
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woo hoo!  i want to rave all night dance party where you rave all night
dance party!

-t

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yes yes, and we all must be underage and tripping till all we can do is have
wild sex on the floor of the illegal venue with anyone/anything within
reach.

----- Original Message -----
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>From now on when referring to a Rave, you must now also include the words
"all night dance party". Thus, you no longer will say "I'm going to a rave."
or "I'm throwing a rave." or even "I am the creator of the Ohio rave scene."
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dance party scene." or "I am a Superstar Rave all night dance party DJ."

this will keep us in compliance with the news media

thank you for your assimilation
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On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Planet Site wrote:

> yes yes, and we all must be underage and tripping till all we can do is have
> wild sex on the floor of the illegal venue with anyone/anything within
> reach.


WHOO, where's the rave?!?!?!


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 17:42:51 2000
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>>WHOO, where's the rave?!?!?!

Doris!  Come now...you're bright and sharp...you SHOULD have asked, "Where's 
the rave all night dance party?!?!?!"  :)

I'm in a very good mood...anyone wanna fuck?

:)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 17:57:43 2000
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fuck my fucking  face uncle fucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



boppity@hotmail.com writes:

<< Doris!  Come now...you're bright and sharp...you SHOULD have asked, 
"Where's 
 the rave all night dance party?!?!?!"  :)
 
 I'm in a very good mood...anyone wanna fuck?
 
 :)
 
 Jim >>






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The place where you find yourself 
All in the same instant
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In a message dated 3/2/00 8:55:57 PM, mw-raves-digest-owner@hyperreal.org 
writes:

<< now we can settle this debate and get on with our lives!  steviet,
gregori, et al head on over to http://test3.thespark.com/bastardtest/.
who can beat my 55% bastard rating?
 >>

You are certifiably:    60% bastard!
                                                  34% of which is Tard
The worldwide average is 42% bastard.


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I hate...

a) you people
b) this list 
c) everything
d) myself for loving you
e) my life
f) triangles
g) all of the above
h) none of the above
i) whatever is popular

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you forgot PLUR


: I hate...
: 
: a) you people
: b) this list 
: c) everything
: d) myself for loving you
: e) my life
: f) triangles
: g) all of the above
: h) none of the above
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I know you are all dying to know my results...so, just because I know you
want them:

72% bastard, 41% of which is tard
96% are less bastard than me

=P
pixie

: You are certifiably:    60% bastard!
:                                                   34% of which is Tard
: The worldwide average is 42% bastard.



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--- "Ignatius J. Reilly" <te_one@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>  Ooh techno. Not familiar with much of your
> playlist...Haven't heard the new Beyer.. I thought
> Tito's "Pornographic" EP was kind of predictable,
> personally..Guess that fits the title.. I think
> his recent collaboration with Morgan Geist was
> pretty cool though I ended up putting it back on
> the shelf..
The new Beyer is wicked, the label "Conform" is a
genral no brainer. Sometimes predictable records are
good, if they have alot of flavor.
> 
>  Thanks, but I'm full up on mailing lists.. ;p
Next time i will cramn it down your throught and force
you to join..mmkay.

peace,
Offtrack

> 
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Offtracks Top 5 Techno Jamz. 
1. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile  
2. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil]  
3. Titonton "The Pornographic ep" [residual] 
4. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
5. G. Wilson "Groove propulsion" [compound]
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 18:46:47 2000
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damn pixie.....you shot off but i feel you.. -:)

sorry short reply.....


>From: "pixie" <pixie@bluegrass.net>
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>
>you forgot PLUR
>
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>: I hate...
>:
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 18:48:32 2000
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who do you all think had taught the likes of the iron chef, emeril and all those others???





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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 18:49:49 2000
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What is a TV?  I just have a box that shows me pictures of Tony Hawk's Pro
Skater.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 18:50:54 2000
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hey if any1out there knows if this is going on tonite please let me know.. i 
got an email a whiel back sayinit would be but ya never know.


thanks gabe





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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 18:58:06 2000
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Hey hey peeps,
is anyone from the madtown going to Recess.  ITs even got a shuttle to the
space. So drink down some 40's and hop on the bus, yeee ha. I might see ya
there, unless i drink to much

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It looks like i'll be there.  Wana see Todd Richmond and Helix turn
Helix..  Not to mention the tagteam sets are goona be great. Does nayone
else know about the party in Madison tommorow night "Passionite Kiss"?
Does anyone know about DJ Carlos? He any good, I've heard from a friend he
is, but you never know about what yur friends say.  


> 
> Hey hey peeps,
> is anyone from the madtown going to Recess.  ITs even got a shuttle to the
> space. So drink down some 40's and hop on the bus, yeee ha. I might see ya
> there, unless i drink to much
> 
> Milhouse
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 19:23:13 2000
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> Does anyone know about DJ Carlos? He any good, I've heard from a friend he
> is, but you never know about what yur friends say.  

but you can always trust what mw-raves says, right?  ;)

i saw him at a party and he rocked it (great house, great tricks), but i
also have a tape of his and it sucks.  so i guess you can only hope to
catch him on an on-day.  or maybe he's one of those dj's that sound better
live than recorded, in which case you'll have a good time seeing him at a
party.

best advice though is not to listen to any of us and go judge for
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    Damn, so when did Ravers go PC?   

    TC~

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On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 TRnCeGrLe@aol.com wrote:
>     Damn, so when did Ravers go PC?

Yesterday.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 21:45:38 2000
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DJ Rap is integral to the re-design of NetRadio (http://www.netradio.com),
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Check out her pic on the main page and then click on the "Start Listening
Now" button and you'll see the cover of her "Learning Curve" CD too.

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Geez.....I've seen that picture used everywhere......ICK!!!

She looks plastic.  

Don't we all though?

OmegaVariant


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> DJ Rap is integral to the re-design of NetRadio 
> (http://www.netradio.com),
> how hilarious is that?
> 
> Check out her pic on the main page and then click on the "Start 
> Listening
> Now" button and you'll see the cover of her "Learning Curve" CD too.

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how many people on here use this program???

those who do  name me some good upbet or deep house  to search for

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she may look like plastic...but she looks like fine plastic...

dylan


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>
>Geez.....I've seen that picture used everywhere......ICK!!!
>
>She looks plastic.
>
>Don't we all though?
>
>OmegaVariant
>
>
>On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:40:15 -0600 (CST) atomly <atomly@atomly.com>
>writes:
> > DJ Rap is integral to the re-design of NetRadio
> > (http://www.netradio.com),
> > how hilarious is that?
> >
> > Check out her pic on the main page and then click on the "Start
> > Listening
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>
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dj rap is hot. aye chihuahua.

too bad she sucks as a dj. i wish people would just hire her to walk
around a party. that would be much better than suffering though listening
to her spin.  i am not too fond of her production work either. slow break
jungle is not for me, i guess. too bad i dont have an aversion for tight
clothes or lil girlie clothes, i could be a dj too. =D heheh that would be
interesting. wooohooo. 

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On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Omega Variant wrote:
> Geez.....I've seen that picture used everywhere......ICK!!!

Yea, at least they don't play her music everywhere too.  If I had to look
at her AND listen to her I don't know what I'd do- I remember they played
some DJ Rap before Kid 606 and Fantomas.  The music was horrible but it
was funny watching how people reacted.

> She looks plastic.  

She probably is.

> Don't we all though?

Nope.  :)

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I don't know about all that. I played with her on NYE in Atlanta.  She went 
on right after me so I was there in her face and can see the package.  Trust 
me....I can pick out a bunch of women per scene that look better and they 
don't need the scanky push up leather bra to enhance their package.  :)

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she may look like plastic...but she looks like fine plastic...

dylan


>From: Omega Variant <senorlululalo@juno.com>
>Reply-To: Omega Variant <senorlululalo@juno.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] DJ Rap
>Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:58:26 -0600
>
>Geez.....I've seen that picture used everywhere......ICK!!!
>
>She looks plastic.
>
>Don't we all though?
>
>OmegaVariant
>
>
>On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:40:15 -0600 (CST) atomly <atomly@atomly.com>
>writes:
> > DJ Rap is integral to the re-design of NetRadio
> > (http://www.netradio.com),
> > how hilarious is that?
> >
> > Check out her pic on the main page and then click on the "Start
> > Listening
> > Now" button and you'll see the cover of her "Learning Curve" CD too.
>
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> I can pick out a bunch of women per scene that look better and they
> don't need the scanky push up leather bra to enhance their package.  :)

she also drinks pee and eats babies... a trait more commonly associated with
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yeah...but trevor...you're a piiiiimp...but you are right...I know girls 
better lookin...but she is still hot...oh yeah...I was at your birthday 
pah-tay...

dylan


>From: "Trevor Lamont" <houseman606@hotmail.com>
>To: ddorrell@hotmail.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] DJ Rap
>Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 17:20:01 EST
>
>
>I don't know about all that. I played with her on NYE in Atlanta.  She went 
>on right after me so I was there in her face and can see the package.  
>Trust me....I can pick out a bunch of women per scene that look better and 
>they don't need the scanky push up leather bra to enhance their package.  
>:)
>
>----Original Message Follows----
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>
>she may look like plastic...but she looks like fine plastic...
>
>dylan
>
>
>>From: Omega Variant <senorlululalo@juno.com>
>>Reply-To: Omega Variant <senorlululalo@juno.com>
>>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>>Subject: [mw] DJ Rap
>>Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:58:26 -0600
>>
>>Geez.....I've seen that picture used everywhere......ICK!!!
>>
>>She looks plastic.
>>
>>Don't we all though?
>>
>>OmegaVariant
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:40:15 -0600 (CST) atomly <atomly@atomly.com>
>>writes:
>> > DJ Rap is integral to the re-design of NetRadio
>> > (http://www.netradio.com),
>> > how hilarious is that?
>> >
>> > Check out her pic on the main page and then click on the "Start
>> > Listening
>> > Now" button and you'll see the cover of her "Learning Curve" CD too.
>>
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yeh DJ Cleavage has the mad d0p3 skillz yo!

right.

well at least the junglists stop trainspotting for a minute... heheh.
no offense guys, but in my opinion she's unimpressive by any standards you care to consider..
the way i see it she just makes it harder for women dj's/producers who are trying to get by on
skill alone.. as it should be.. "fine" plastic? that's kind of an oxymoron if you ask me. which
you didn't.. wait.. this IS mw-raves after all..  but, i'll drop it, other than to admit for the
record that mistress barbara still makes me all twitterpated.. (i mean damn.. *DAMN*.. i do have a
pulse y'know! just different tastes i guess...)

 check out her mix at:

http://www.betalounge.com (bangin techno, right?)

and *then* check this one with video (smilin, dancin, AND bangin techno.. oh my goodness. ;p )

http://www.thewomb.com/g2/barbara.ram  



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I'll tell you one female junglist that really has it
going on, both physically, and dj wise, is DJ Dayzee,
she is fine as FUCK!!!, and a pretty good fucking DJ.
And her MC Chickaboo is hot as hell too.

--- "Ignatius J. Reilly" <te_one@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> yeh DJ Cleavage has the mad d0p3 skillz yo!
> 
> right.
> 
> well at least the junglists stop trainspotting for a
> minute... heheh.
> no offense guys, but in my opinion she's
> unimpressive by any standards you care to consider..
> the way i see it she just makes it harder for women
> dj's/producers who are trying to get by on
> skill alone.. as it should be.. "fine" plastic?
> that's kind of an oxymoron if you ask me. which
> you didn't.. wait.. this IS mw-raves after all.. 
> but, i'll drop it, other than to admit for the
> record that mistress barbara still makes me all
> twitterpated.. (i mean damn.. *DAMN*.. i do have a
> pulse y'know! just different tastes i guess...)
> 
>  check out her mix at:
> 
> http://www.betalounge.com (bangin techno, right?)
> 
> and *then* check this one with video (smilin,
> dancin, AND bangin techno.. oh my goodness. ;p )
> 
> http://www.thewomb.com/g2/barbara.ram  
> 
> 
> 
>                                      d.wynn tonight,
> then Indiana bound! ;p
> 
> 
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>
>
>yeh DJ Cleavage has the mad d0p3 skillz yo!
>


when did I say she was good??? I think lots of females are fine...that don't 
mean I think they got skillz on the decks...

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I know this isn't in the south but it provides more information on how the
media really has no clue and how no one is fooled by the masks and
pacifiers.  (Hmm, I wonder why a lot of promoters don't allow them?)

http://www.kxtv.com/news-special/close-up/designerdrugs/

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DJ Dazy or DJ Dayzee??

peace
tiffanie


--- Jon Gotti <j_gotti_dnb@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'll tell you one female junglist that really has it
> going on, both physically, and dj wise, is DJ Dayzee,
> she is fine as FUCK!!!, and a pretty good fucking DJ.
> And her MC Chickaboo is hot as hell too.
> 
> --- "Ignatius J. Reilly" <te_one@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > yeh DJ Cleavage has the mad d0p3 skillz yo!
> > 
> > right.
> > 
> > well at least the junglists stop trainspotting for a
> > minute... heheh.
> > no offense guys, but in my opinion she's
> > unimpressive by any standards you care to consider..
> > the way i see it she just makes it harder for women
> > dj's/producers who are trying to get by on
> > skill alone.. as it should be.. "fine" plastic?
> > that's kind of an oxymoron if you ask me. which
> > you didn't.. wait.. this IS mw-raves after all.. 
> > but, i'll drop it, other than to admit for the
> > record that mistress barbara still makes me all
> > twitterpated.. (i mean damn.. *DAMN*.. i do have a
> > pulse y'know! just different tastes i guess...)
> > 
> >  check out her mix at:
> > 
> > http://www.betalounge.com (bangin techno, right?)
> > 
> > and *then* check this one with video (smilin,
> > dancin, AND bangin techno.. oh my goodness. ;p )
> > 
> > http://www.thewomb.com/g2/barbara.ram  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >                                      d.wynn tonight,
> > then Indiana bound! ;p
> > 
> > 
> >                                                    
> > -ted
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 From now on let's all pack gallon jugs... See what they make of that!

 Or maybe we should all huff ether?


>Even on a cold winter's night, a long session of frenetic dancing is sure to heat you up.  So who
>could blame a young dancer for taking a few sips of water out of a bottle?

>Experts say you'll seldom see people drinking large gulps of water at the raves.   Instead they
>tend to take small sips... possibly because that water bottle is treated with GHB.  Users must be
>careful how much of the potentially deadly drug they ingest in a short period of time so you'll
>see them sipping from water bottles instead of taking long tall drinks. 
 

 
                                                      -ted



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Speaking of which, if anybody's got the old version, could you maybe put
it on a server somewhere?  or maybe just tell me where I can get it?
I'll be your best friend forever...  the new beta crashed my computer 4
times in a row.

one love,
greg

Trancedanz@aol.com wrote:

> how many people on here use this program???
>
> those who do  name me some good upbet or deep house  to search for
>
> shanx
>
> I'll see you all there.
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who's going to be there? I'm thinking about coming down from Fort Wayne for
this. Anyone want to meet up before/at the party? I'm new to the midwest,
and this will be my first party here, so look for the guy wearing pants.
That's me.
j
p.s. where is yotd and how do I get there?

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Jon Gotti wrote:


> she is fine as FUCK!!!, and a pretty good fucking DJ.

that sounds difficult.  She must be real flexible

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I actually use it myself...i found tracks from Paul Johnson, Dimitri from=

paries, even some happy hardkore..but definatley not all that much....but=
 if
you look i'm sure you'll find some stuff


Fuego
"it's hot up in this bitch"
http://wannabe.linuxzealot.com/facade/flash.html


Trancedanz@aol.com wrote:

> how many people on here use this program???
>
> those who do  name me some good upbet or deep house  to search for
>
> shanx
>
> I'll see you all there.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 23:34:44 2000
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me me me 

im going for misssssssstressss barbraaaaa

ill be the girl with the glowsticks and the candy bracelets
and the phat pants
thats me
look for me

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if your gonna huff, huff starter fluid.  out of a dirty sock.  to chase down
shots of tequila.

just don't smoke cigarettes while your doing it.

    -bill

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>
>  From now on let's all pack gallon jugs... See what they make of that!
>
>  Or maybe we should all huff ether?
>
>
> >Even on a cold winter's night, a long session of frenetic dancing is sure
to heat you up.  So who
> >could blame a young dancer for taking a few sips of water out of a
bottle?
>
> >Experts say you'll seldom see people drinking large gulps of water at the
raves.   Instead they
> >tend to take small sips... possibly because that water bottle is treated
with GHB.  Users must be
> >careful how much of the potentially deadly drug they ingest in a short
period of time so you'll
> >see them sipping from water bottles instead of taking long tall drinks.
>
>
>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 03 23:36:52 2000
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At 05:33 PM 3/3/00 CST, you wrote:
>I actually use it myself...i found tracks from Paul Johnson, Dimitri from
>paries, even some happy hardkore..but definatley not all that much....but if
>you look i'm sure you'll find some stuff

get some napigator action goin on...  it makes napster so much more useful.
 you can choose which server you want to be on and stuff.

www.napigator.com

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lmao! is this for real? if so i'm goin dressed as a "Durah Cell"!

<that's one of the models in the game for you non-nerds..>

http://www.counter-strike.net

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In a message dated 3/3/2000 12:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
dpayer@umich.edu writes:

<< WHOO, where's the rave?!?!?! >>

doris, you must phrase that as: "WHOO, where's the rave all night dance 
party?!?!?!

dont make me smack you with assimilation barney
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In a message dated 3/3/0 10:54:00 AM, plaslaik wrote:

<<your so cool, stevie!!!!!!!!!>>

that's "you're"


<<*Deffinatnatly* need to bring up someone who hasnt said 
a DAMN thing towards you scince you decided to come back on 
the list>>

um, that's "definitly" and "since" and if you're refering to
pixie, her shit talk has cost me over $2000!!...scarey part
is when newbie boobies actually believe her bullshit!!


<<prooving once again JUST how fucking MORONIC you REALLY are!!!!!!!>>

um, that's "proving" as in the great plaslaik "proving" once again
who the true moron is by having four typos in less than four
sentences!!

s'all good, man in black has informed me that the main reason
that the russian secret police is after him is because he's
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In a message dated 3/3/00 8:29:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< um, that's "definitly" and "since" and if you're refering to
 pixie, her shit talk has cost me over $2000!!...scarey part
 is when newbie boobies actually believe her bullshit!!
  >>


and how was that mr T?





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The place where you find yourself 
All in the same instant
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 04 02:55:28 2000
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Mr. Tsang, I don't know who you are referring to. My Soviet compatriates are 
here to observe us observe you. Of course they say they already had an 
inside man trailing you. But you'll never discover who it is, they assure 
me. We just hope that you continue to make our operation as big of a 
windfall as it has been so far. The amount of arrests and discoveries that 
we have had because of you have been tremendous.

Thank you again for your assistance
Thomas


>From: Steviet069@aol.com
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>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re:  Re: Re: [mw] where is dan efex?
>Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:27:05 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 3/3/0 10:54:00 AM, plaslaik wrote:
>
><<your so cool, stevie!!!!!!!!!>>
>
>that's "you're"
>
>
><<*Deffinatnatly* need to bring up someone who hasnt said
>a DAMN thing towards you scince you decided to come back on
>the list>>
>
>um, that's "definitly" and "since" and if you're refering to
>pixie, her shit talk has cost me over $2000!!...scarey part
>is when newbie boobies actually believe her bullshit!!
>
>
><<prooving once again JUST how fucking MORONIC you REALLY are!!!!!!!>>
>
>um, that's "proving" as in the great plaslaik "proving" once again
>who the true moron is by having four typos in less than four
>sentences!!
>
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 22:30:54 EST Steviet069@aol.com writes:
> this is the most retarded thing i've ever read!
> 
> just because your a cop means you can't go to 
> a rave?...and they got fired for it!!...that is so
> lame!!

No it just means they can't be selling drugs there
like they did.

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> > I can pick out a bunch of women per scene that look better and they
> > don't need the scanky push up leather bra to enhance their package.  :)
> 
> she also drinks pee and eats babies... a trait more commonly associated with
> the French

I'm not French... I just speak the language..

oh...

wait..

I don't eat babies... 

nevermind.

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> if your gonna huff, huff starter fluid.  out of a dirty sock.  to chase down
> shots of tequila.

don't doubt the heptane...

for covert operations use a beany baby instead of a sock.

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atomly <atomly@atomly.com> wrote:

>DJ Rap is integral to the re-design of NetRadio (http://www.netradio.com),
>how hilarious is that?

Speaking of NetRadio, I used to listen to them often, but their system
seemed *very* buggy and unreliable. So... I switched to Spinner
(http://www.spinner.com), which is pretty much the same thing. Check 'em
out. A few nights ago they were playing some really nice tracks on their
house channel.

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In a message dated 3/4/0 2:10:21 AM, trancedanz wrote:

<<<< um, that's "definitly" and "since" and if you're refering to
 pixie, her shit talk has cost me over $2000!!...scarey part
 is when newbie boobies actually believe her bullshit!!
  >>

and how was that mr T?>>

she told my ex roommate some inane bullshit, he believed
it & refused to pay rent, phone, electricity, & utilities for
5 months...wrecked my credit rating too...

this girl's bullshit was notorious on pb-cle-raves before
i called her out there too...

and let the record show it was pixie who gave out victor's
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bullshit fishead....you know you eat babies!!!!

btw, i heard both you and venitian snares may be gracing us milwaukeeans
with your presence the week b-4 wtw4 at thai joes.  is this true?

    -bill

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> > > I can pick out a bunch of women per scene that look better and they
> > > don't need the scanky push up leather bra to enhance their package.
:)
> >
> > she also drinks pee and eats babies... a trait more commonly associated
with
> > the French
>
> I'm not French... I just speak the language..
>
> oh...
>
> wait..
>
> I don't eat babies...
>
> nevermind.
>
> --
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>     hardcore editor : massive magazine : http://www.massivemag.com
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yeah!!! i got the beanie baby hook up from my man mike at "bartz's the party
store"

i'll be huffin it up at wtw4.

well...not really.  the bonfire there would scare the shit outta me.
i was concerned for erwood's health at the last barn party.

    -bill

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> > if your gonna huff, huff starter fluid.  out of a dirty sock.  to chase
down
> > shots of tequila.
>
> don't doubt the heptane...
>
> for covert operations use a beany baby instead of a sock.
>
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well, some mexicans can be unpredictable!! he he

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is this partE rEally going down on the southsidE?

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your just like all those trendie preppy dudes who are in love with BS 
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In a message dated 3/4/0 2:55:41 AM, man_in_black wrote:

<<Mr. Tsang, I don't know who you are referring to. My Soviet 
compatriates are here to observe us observe you. Of course they 
say they already had an inside man trailing you. But you'll never 
discover who it is, they assure me. We just hope that you continue 
to make our operation as big of a windfall as it has been so far. 
The amount of arrests and discoveries that we have had because 
of you have been tremendous.

Thank you again for your assistance
Thomas>>

you poser, mib's track alien activity as in extra-terrestrial
& since i was born of this planet, they would have nothing to
do with me...in addition, you mispelled "infiltrate" in your last
post and "compatriot" in this post, in other words you are too
stupid to be mib material...but the biggest giveaway is that
an mib would never make a post on a rave mailing list as 
"man_in_black" especially when they are usually refered to as
"men in black"...

now, perhaps you meant "dea", but the dea would have nothing to
do with me because i don't deal drugs.

or perhaps you meant "fbi", but the fbi would have nothing to do
with me because i am not a major corporation and don't make 
nearly enough money to embezzle funds where they shouldn't be
going into.

or perhaps "cia"...now here is a possibility, especially since i
have made a few posts in the pasts concerning classified cia
material, which were not public knowledge & were the last
things the cia wanted the public to know especially with 
their past covert operations and current top secret liasons
specifically with "the illuminati"...and from which it was so
important for them to destroy my credibility, because i am
one of the few that knowcan prophecies foretold of his coming...yes folks,
i speak of the second coming...


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yup... GHB can be very dangerous... one girl died in a bathroom from it.  

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In a message dated 3/4/0 3:45:58 AM, i wrote:

<<because i am one of the few that knowcan prophecies 
foretold of his coming...yes folks, i speak of the second 
coming...>>

just to let you know, that is *not* what i typed...

my post was intercepted & edited.

they don't like it when i reveal too much.

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 I;ll be there. I'm from indy.. um i'd say i'm all for a meet up
 before or during the party. I don't know where it's at yet and I
 don't think it's been announced. try calling the infoline tomorrow
 or email kevin about it..maybe he'll tell you.. Scarabsong@aol.com
 anyways, anyone else interested in meeting before hand? If we
 do, i'd like to suggest somewhere other than the abbey because all
 the partykids always congregate there..so somewhere diff. so we 
 will know who is there for a netmeet. :)
 
   Peace,

      *Shandi*

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On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, _ Symmetric wrote:

> who's going to be there? I'm thinking about coming down from Fort Wayne for
> this. Anyone want to meet up before/at the party? I'm new to the midwest,
> and this will be my first party here, so look for the guy wearing pants.
> That's me.
> j
> p.s. where is yotd and how do I get there?
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First of all Mr Tsang, the MIB are not the only government operatives that 
are required to wear black suits. As for my spelling errors, keeping in 
stride with the rest of the the subscribers to this list, all my posts must 
contain at least one spelling error or one grammar error. Now we come to 
your supposed release of secret government information. All of the 
information that you have released on this list is all basic "secret" 
information that we have leeked to the general public to keep the paranoid 
people of this country satisfied. But keeping track of all the attempts you 
have made in the past to find out hidden, paranoid information has made you 
and even more attractable target for us.

Thomas


>From: Steviet069@aol.com
>Reply-To: Steviet069@aol.com
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] where is stevie t? wuz: where is dan efex?
>Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 22:45:05 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 3/4/0 2:55:41 AM, man_in_black wrote:
>
><<Mr. Tsang, I don't know who you are referring to. My Soviet
>compatriates are here to observe us observe you. Of course they
>say they already had an inside man trailing you. But you'll never
>discover who it is, they assure me. We just hope that you continue
>to make our operation as big of a windfall as it has been so far.
>The amount of arrests and discoveries that we have had because
>of you have been tremendous.
>
>Thank you again for your assistance
>Thomas>>
>
>you poser, mib's track alien activity as in extra-terrestrial
>& since i was born of this planet, they would have nothing to
>do with me...in addition, you mispelled "infiltrate" in your last
>post and "compatriot" in this post, in other words you are too
>stupid to be mib material...but the biggest giveaway is that
>an mib would never make a post on a rave mailing list as
>"man_in_black" especially when they are usually refered to as
>"men in black"...
>
>now, perhaps you meant "dea", but the dea would have nothing to
>do with me because i don't deal drugs.
>
>or perhaps you meant "fbi", but the fbi would have nothing to do
>with me because i am not a major corporation and don't make
>nearly enough money to embezzle funds where they shouldn't be
>going into.
>
>or perhaps "cia"...now here is a possibility, especially since i
>have made a few posts in the pasts concerning classified cia
>material, which were not public knowledge & were the last
>things the cia wanted the public to know especially with
>their past covert operations and current top secret liasons
>specifically with "the illuminati"...and from which it was so
>important for them to destroy my credibility, because i am
>one of the few that knowcan prophecies foretold of his coming...yes folks,
>i speak of the second coming...
>
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> btw, i heard both you and venitian snares may be gracing us 
> milwaukeeans with your presence the week b-4 wtw4 at thai joes.  
> is this true?

consult the magic 8-ball of pending events at...

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Since when do peopel need permission to give out e mail adress's????  and 
actully pixie is a really sweet girl.. if you took the time to come down from 
your pedastool you'd realze it





Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< she told my ex roommate some inane bullshit, he believed
 it & refused to pay rent, phone, electricity, & utilities for
 5 months...wrecked my credit rating too...
 
 this girl's bullshit was notorious on pb-cle-raves before
 i called her out there too...
 
 and let the record show it was pixie who gave out victor's
 e-mail addy w/o his permission not me.
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i have wanted to die in the bathroom at a party before.  but just cuz it was
nasty, nothing to do with ghb.

are you sure the bathroom the girl died in was clean?

are you sure it was just the one girl who died?

    -chips and salsa bill


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> yup... GHB can be very dangerous... one girl died in a bathroom from it.
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In a message dated 3/4/0 4:43:42 AM, trancedanz wrote:

<<Since when do peopel need permission to give out e mail 
adress's????  and actully pixie is a really sweet girl.. if you 
took the time to come down from your pedastool you'd realze it>>

yeah, a real sweet girl that cost me $2000, and numerous
others more $$ down the line...

for you to be taken so easily in her ways suggests two
possibilities: a) you're a newbie b) you work for the other
side (which would explain you asking for victor's e-mail
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 04 05:34:29 2000
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IS THIS A RACIAL THING? SOMEONE DONT LIKE MEXICANS?
i think we need to represent.
chad, my mexican brother, can i get an amen?

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In a message dated 3/4/0 4:21:17 AM, mib wrote:

<<MIB are not the only government operatives that 
are required to wear black suits. >>

wrong, MIB's *are* the only government operation that
are required to wear black suits...dea - business suits 
in the building, DEA jackets on a bust...fbi - business suits
in the building, FBI jackets on a bust...cia - business suits
in the building, casual everywhere else...

<<As for my spelling errors, keeping in stride with the rest 
of the the subscribers to this list, all my posts must 
contain at least one spelling error or one grammar error.>>

what a pile of bullshit, you mispelled because you're a
stupid poser

<<All of the information that you have released on this list is 
all basic "secret" information that we have leeked to the general 
public to keep the paranoid people of this country satisfied.>>

ok, mr. thomas mib, surely you documented the alleged 
information i leaked...can you give a run down on all the
topics i touched upon?...i must warn you failure to do so
will make you look even more like a foolish poser

<<But keeping track of all the attempts you have made in 
the past to find out hidden, paranoid information has made you 
and even more attractable target for us.>>

all the information i posted were all publicly accessable
via the internet or the bookstore.

MIB's do not target citizens with a thirst for knowledge...
MIB's are government agents trained for protecting the
nation against alien threat.

you're the lamest MIB poser i've ever come across.


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>From: Steviet069@aol.com
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>Subject: Re:  Re: [mw] where is stevie t? wuz: where is dan efex?
>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 00:41:43 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 3/4/0 4:21:17 AM, mib wrote:
>
>
>wrong, MIB's *are* the only government operation that
>are required to wear black suits...dea - business suits
>in the building, DEA jackets on a bust...fbi - business suits
>in the building, FBI jackets on a bust...cia - business suits
>in the building, casual everywhere else...
>
this may be true of all the agencies known by the public, but do you really 
think that the government isn't involved in certain unknown activities.

as for the rest of your response, believe what you'd like sir. All I know is 
that after this weekend, you will be very aware of our presence. Like I 
warned you earlier, do you really trust where you live.

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In a message dated 3/4/0 5:35:20 AM, val wrote:

<<i think we need to represent.
chad, my mexican brother, can i get an amen?>>

hey mang, hispanic chicas are hot!!!...penelope cruz, salma hayek,
jennifer lopez, need i say more?

mexican food rules too!!...taco bell (cheap & good), chi chi's
(titties), estrada's, there's even this place here in town
that makes burrito's as big as your head!! 


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yes, the girl and her friend were at a party at a guys house and they drugged 
the girls mt. dew with GHB, and she got a headache and started to throw up. 
her friend just passed out,
so the 2 guys put her and her friend in the bathroom so they wouldnt have to 
deal with them.   then hours later he rfriend woke up and tryed to get help, 
but the girl had died.  sad huh?  : (   

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AMEN!  I love Zach De La Rocha(hes part mexican, and an anti racial activist 
person) ( rage agaisnt the machine lead rocker dude)  im listening to them 
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In a message dated 3/3/00 11:43:04 PM Central Standard Time, 
Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< you're the lamest MIB poser i've ever come across.
  >>
and this is the lamest thread ive ever read... everyone involved with this 
crap, just give it up! PLUR!

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those chicks arent mexican, the are hispanic steve!

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:
: From now on let's all pack gallon jugs... See what they make of that!


who's with me on bonging water the next rave all night dance party we go
to??

shawne? i know you're down ;D

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>  From: TripN1982@aol.com
>  Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 02:49:50 EST
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>  Subject: [az-raves] How to spot a Raver....
>  Message-ID:<c7.2b6f997.25f0c89e@aol.com>
>  
>  
>  HOW TO SPOT A RAVER
>  
>  * Ravers can perfectly understand and have amazing conversations with
anyone 
>  under the age of ten.
>  
>  *Ravers know where all the best toy stores are.
>  
>  *Ravers get the most mileage out of their shoes. The toes and heels
always 
>  curl up because they're so worn down.
>  
>  *Ravers all LOVE ATB
>  
>  *Ravers are the only people who dont have their age calculated in months,
yet 
>  they still rock and use pacifiers.
>  
>  *Ravers always consider every new place they go as a possible location
for a 
>  party.
>  
>  *Ravers hug EVERYONE
>  
>  *Ravers can DANCE
>  
>  *Ravers can be found dancing everywhere EXCEPT the main dance floor
>  
>  *Ravers understand the art of bathroom conversation.
>  
>  *Ravers choose their clothes by texture, color, and size.
>  
>  *Ravers love homemade clothes because they've seen the price tag on a
pair of 
>  KiK Wear pants.
>  
>  *Ravers always order water when they go out to clubs.
>  
>  *Ravers always know the most likely spot to find other ravers within a 
>  one-hundred foot radius.
>  
>  *Ravers dont bother planning to meet their friends ahead of time, their 
>  friends are always already there.
>  
>  *Ravers give the best hugs and massages.
>  
>  *Ravers have a one track mind and it goes - "thump thump tweet thump
tweet"
>  
>  *Ravers constantly point out the trippy visuals in everyday life.
>  
>  *Ravers helped Adidas thru the "lean" years.
>  
>  *Ravers never know the name of their favorite tracks.
>  
>  *Ravers know how to SMILE! =)
>  
>  *Ravers always choose "E" on multiple choice questions- hEEhEE
>  
>  *Ravers are really good at playing "Guess what he's on"
>  
>  *Ravers always say "Hi" to those peoples they dont know, yet always see
at 
>  raves.
>  
>  *Ravers Love the movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
>  
>  *Ravers define the style of music they listen to as "good"
>  
>  *Ravers know what to do with a dead glowstick!! 
>  
>  *****PASS ON TO FELLOW RAVERS*****
>  Ravers of the world UNITE!!!>>
>  
>  I got this frm a list I am on...... fUnShiNe
>  
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 04 07:22:39 2000
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> how many people on here use this program???

Me.

> those who do  name me some good upbet or deep house  to search for

Dude, he's some awesome house to listen to while you're rolling your
balls off:

merzbow
Monte Cazazza
Skinny Puppy
Throbbing Gristle
My life with the Thrill Kill Kult
Revolting Cocks
Ministry
Cabaret Voltaire

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 ok, so i went to this bar with the intention of hearing d. wynn.. guy plays some nice detroit
house stuff, right? well i get to this club... this total dive in Clifton, the area around the
university here blahblah... anyway, this place is a joke.. some kinda trashy rocker club without
even so much as a decent bar to make up for it. a real shithole, to put it bluntly.. so we get
there and this troll at the door is like "fifteen each"..

uhm, say what? now mind you i've got fifteen bucks, but to get into this place.. hmm... no? i'm
not sure who exactly was behind this, but let me just say that there is no way in hell i'd pay $15
to get into top cat's.. either move someplace with at least a hint of class, or leave me enough
loot to get trashed enough to where i don't mind so much. 

a little deconstructive criticism there for ya. take it or leave it.

i chose "leave it." nuff said.


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Sorry to bother you all, but i am a mid-west resident...and what better way 
to reach the widmest than here.  I have to junk my car next week, and am 
removing the system and selling it.  Anyone interested, read on...if not, 
sorry to bother you.

What I have:

12" rockford xlc sub in a ported box
punch 600 amp
4" rockford mids with components
3 1/2" pioneer 2 ways
sidewinder alarm with remote start

The list price is 1300, I am selling for 850.  The sub, mids/components, and 
amp have a 3 year warranty with Best Buy.  If they ever blow, they will be 
replaced no questions asked.  The entire system in just under a year old.  
If you have an interest, email me seperate from the list at 
kimball10@excite.com.  note: the system is taylored to trance, but sounds 
nice with all genres.  Thanks for your time

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When i was in 8th Grade, i thought this one asian kid was cool cuz he could 
breakdance... now i realize, i'm just another member of the stevieT 
Fanclub!!! Thanx Stevie!!!! ASIAN PRIDE!!!!

-ross


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>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:13:04 EST
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>damnnnnnnnnn..... steviet's stepping up, yo. you best be representing cos 
>you
>bound to get flamed back.
>
>
>asian pride, yo.
>sarah...
>
>hehe. that reminds me. i'm carrying around a fake baby for a class, and 
>it's
>asian, and i'm not, and all the asians are like "you best be showing the
>asian pride"... mmmm....
>
><< but i think when the title of the thread is "pissed
>  off asian dude" and you open your flame with racist
>  remarks and continue with inane personal attacks,
>  you're bound to get flamed back! >>
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Beat that bitch with a bat!!!!!!!!


>From: Funkybeastiegrrl@cs.com
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>your just like all those trendie preppy dudes who are in love with BS
>(britney spears)
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>if you took the time to come down from
>your pedastool you'd realze it

I don't know if this is a spelling error or intentional, but either way it's 
pretty amusing :) *haha*

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In a message dated 03/04/2000 2:23:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
panam@mail.execpc.com writes:

> mw-raves@hyperreal.org
I don't get it... where are you rolling your balls off to? and why?

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In a message dated 3/4/0 6:25:14 AM, funkybeastiegrrrl wrote:

<<those chicks arent mexican, the are hispanic steve!>>

that's why i said: <<hey mang, hispanic chicas are hot!!!>>

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In a message dated 3/4/0 8:53:35 AM, riotnerd28 wrote:

<<When i was in 8th Grade, i thought this one asian kid was 
cool cuz he could breakdance... now i realize, i'm just another 
member of the stevieT Fanclub!!! Thanx Stevie!!!! ASIAN PRIDE!!!!

-ross>>

wait, this isn't the ross who's best friends w/ alex who just threw
junglodium w/ brian is it?

told ya i was the real deal...it's the newbie posers that don't know
me yet, cuz i am so underground...but if you do your research & trace
waaay back, you'll find me...


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funny, me & some of my old candy ravah type friends 
way back when used to do "the water bottle" dance...

it started as a joke...one day one of my friends put her
water bottle on the dance floor...first we started bowing
down to it as if it was mecca (cuz every ravah knows how
important water is to a rollin ravah)...then each of us took
turns dancing around it like circle dancers...i did switch kicks 
around it...four corners around it...flares around it...and after
each of us had did their personal dance around the "holy 
water bottle"...we all started marching in this crazy tribal 
dance around it clockwise chanting & yelping "ooooh ooooh holy
watah watah....oooh oooh holy watah watah"...

freaky thing is, often after we did it, we'd come out of the
party and it would be raining outside!!...

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In a message dated 3/4/0 7:45:56 AM, ted wrote:

<<ok, so i went to this bar with the intention of hearing d. 
wynn.. guy plays some nice detroit house stuff, right? well i 
get to this club... this total dive in Clifton, the area around the
university here blahblah>>

axis is only $5 on weds, decent drink prices, a jug of water
in the back w/ styrofoam cups and tj & kevin often book
good detroit dj's...enigma is FREE on thurs, but you hafta be
over 21 & dress nice, $3 miami iced tea special, plus they
got good trance & have even booked some east coast dj's...
ed just did another snow*fall last week @ fire exit for like
$8, but it was invite only...feelgood just spun red zone last
night!...and it's usually $8...but i usually get in for free, see
u just gotta know the right people...but when you're being a
hater & buying into that newbie shit talk syndrom, it will
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Yet more insanely overpriced shit.

Rave on.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 04 17:17:29 2000
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Funniest comment i've heard about BS was,

"It takes a lot of money to look that cheap."

Forgot who said it.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 04 18:56:56 2000
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Hey Stevie,

 Apparently you posted more of your typical pathetic & reactionary self-aggrandizing nonsense in
relation to my post.. 

 Well, Stevie m'boy, your address has been blocked by my mail filter for months now. So, you jut
wasted that many of your few remaining braincells on something I didn't, and probably never will,
read.

Just thought you should know. (Sure as hell amuses me <giggle>)

They're coming to take you away, ha-ha, ho-ho, he-he...

/me busts out some phat mad liquid moves

 :]


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In a message dated 3/4/0 5:18:00 PM, kc88 wrote:

<<"It takes a lot of money to look that cheap."

Forgot who said it.>>

hey, i like cheap lookin girls!

i also like cheap gas, cheap toilet paper, cheap paper
towels, cheap medicine, cheap candy (i just killed 8
kit kats!...they're like $1.50 for a 10 pak @ meiers!)
...never could figure out why people would want to
pay more for that stuff!

stevie's favorite cheap places to shop:

1) best buy - still some of the best deals for electronic
                     equipment
2) meiers - lowest food prices in town
3) target - lowest prices for housewares, sunglasses
4) walmart - low prices on audio equipment, housewares
5) pawn shops - not only do they give you $ for your old 
                          shit, they also have the lowest prices in
                          town for slightly used stuff
6) odd lots - super low prices on food, housewares, etc.
7) outlet stores - warehouse prices for name-brand stuff.

smart shoppers get the most for their bucks!


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In a message dated 3/4/0 6:57:32 PM, ted wrote:

<< Well, Stevie m'boy, your address has been blocked by my 
mail filter for months now. So, you jut wasted that many of 
your few remaining braincells on something I didn't, and 
probably never will, read.>>

too bad your loss, i just gave some good advice where you
can go w/o getting ripped off!!

you have proven yourself as a newbie boobie who is beyond
help!!...have fun getting jacked for the rest of your life,
dumb shit!!

well atleast now you know the true reason some heads wanted
y'all to filter me!!...

not everyone is meant to recieve enlightenment...

most of the ignorant ones like ted here will be stuck in the
darkness for a very long time!!...and one day he'll open his eyes
& go: "shit, stevie knew what's up the whole time!!...unfortunately,
now i've been jacked of all my assets!!"...i am a dumb shit!!


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Dear List,
  My fellow girlfriends and I owe the list an apology.
 Because we have left Stevie T's house (after a month
of living in his "presence") he will be writing a LOT
more (useless) posts, mainly because there are not
three other girls there to hog the phone line.  So we
apology that our leving as put you all in a position
to deal with twice the plateload of bullshit.

On a happy note :)  My "pornstar" roomies(as we were
dubbed... mainly because the person who gave us that
name thinks getting laid once in a month is a
miracle)and I live in a spacious three bed room
apartment now, close to the downtown area.  

So once in again we apologize.  As compensation, if
you would like, feel free to email us and we can give
you allll kinds of juicy, witnessed put-down material
that we have acquired from living with this "kool
kat".  >:)

-Opiey, Nicci and Bri
 
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>who's with me on bonging water the next rave all night dance party we go
>to??

pfft. pixie, I should've expected such a self-incriminating post advocating
drug use from you!  After all, you're trying to tear down everything
minorities have created! your trash-talking has been noted by the movers
and shakers of the original midwest rave scene.

when are my porn*star roomies gonna show off their newbie boobies?



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In a message dated 3/4/00 2:04:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< 3) target - lowest prices for housewares, sunglasses >>


i DO have to agree with you there steve

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thank god... the tables have turned

please flood the list with rampant disregard of said founder of our scene




eiectraiux@yahoo.com writes:

<< So once in again we apologize.  As compensation, if
 you would like, feel free to email us and we can give
 you allll kinds of juicy, witnessed put-down material
 that we have acquired from living with this "kool
 kat".  >:)
 
 -Opiey, Nicci and Bri
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At 03:17 PM 3/4/00 EST, you wrote:
>who is it? please contact me

hay gabEe!  do you have questions about this mailing list?  questions such
as "who is the list adminE!"  please consult the link at the bottom of
every single message that comes through the listE!  

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 04 20:26:56 2000
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Hmmm here's an interesting tidbit. For how "popular"
and "kool" and "trendy" Stevie was... and how "into
the scene" he was... Never once did he go to a Rave
while we stayed there... he went to the Redzone once
where he used our rent money to buy his friends a
round of drinks ("But shots are so cheap!", he
argued).  Nor did we once seem him bring a friend or
acquaintence over, while we had a steady flow of
visitors for us.  Wait... I think he brought this
chick over once...  But we never saw her again.  And
his phone calls recieved?  Mostly his mom and
sister... >:)  

Oh... and this is what did it... One time my man and I
were "sharing a moment" in my bedroom....  During
which he Instant Messaged my best friend and said
"Opiey has a sexy moan!"  <shivers>  I'll be okay...

Hmm... I wonder how he would feel if he knew Micheal
Knight and I once "shared a moment" in his house,
while he slept in the next room >:)

Love
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In a message dated 3/4/00 2:27:11 PM Central Standard Time, 
eiectraiux@yahoo.com writes:

<< Hmm... I wonder how he would feel if he knew Micheal
 Knight and I once "shared a moment" in his house,
 while he slept in the next room >:)
  >>

i'm not sure that whole thing was really neccessary.. but i know this wasn't.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 04 20:31:39 2000
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> i'm not sure that whole thing was really
> neccessary.. but i know this wasn't.

No, I know it wasn't.. excpet that my roomates and I
know it's a subject that would irk him a lot :)
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><< Hmm... I wonder how he would feel if he knew Micheal
> Knight and I once "shared a moment" in his house,
> while he slept in the next room >:)
>  >>
>
>i'm not sure that whole thing was really neccessary.. but i know this wasn't.

BUT IT WAS DAMN FUNNY!

keep em coming opiey! (the stories, that is)

chris

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Sigh

Before the complaints come in.. We're also apologizing
to anyone who doesnt give a damn about this thread..
but some do, so if this isnt yer thing, just dont open
any mails from us

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> keep em coming opiey! (the stories, that is)

lol... Kiez, here's another cute one..  One time, we
thought it would be nice to try and involve Stevie in
something.. since he's always home by ourselves..
well, we had about 6 friends over, and we bought some
beer and Nicci and I's boyfriends went and invited
Stevie to hang in the room with us and drink... After
about three beers he was plastered.. passed out on
Nicci's bed... A moment later he RACED to the
bathroom... Upchucked beer and salsa ALL OVER the
toilet... bathtub... wall... floor...  And then went
to bed and refused to clean his puke for about a day..
Nicci and I had to use the restroom at Jolly Pirates
the whole day!!  


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tis true...operation "porn stop" & operatives opiez, nicci, 
& bri have failed in their attempt to stifle my fate of 
further updating mw-raves with my various posts of 
enlightenment...they were successful in tieing my phone 
line for numerous hours on end...but were unsuccessful in 
completing their mission since i was able to post from my 
various other rendezvous points...the only information they 
were able to obtain were the false clues i left them...the true 
underground shall be preserved...they discovered nothing...and 
may attempt to spread false information due to the bitterness 
of their failure of completing their mission...but the true 
underground will know what's up...

i knew they were traveling under false pretenses when they 
did not even know the significance of an "ele mental" party.

listmembers are advised not to communicate with these
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Are all people in Columbus this fucked up?  I sure hope not.  Don't you
people (and you know who I mean) think you should deal with this private
matter IN PRIVATE?  If you were dissappointed with the experience of
living with the Ohio scene god or whoever the fuck he thinks he is today,
forget it and move the fuck on.
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2000 Steviet069@aol.com wrote:

> tis true...operation "porn stop" & operatives opiez, nicci, 
> & bri have failed in their attempt to stifle my fate of 
> further updating mw-raves with my various posts of 
> enlightenment...they were successful in tieing my phone 
> line for numerous hours on end...but were unsuccessful in 
> completing their mission since i was able to post from my 
> various other rendezvous points...the only information they 
> were able to obtain were the false clues i left them...the true 
> underground shall be preserved...they discovered nothing...and 
> may attempt to spread false information due to the bitterness 
> of their failure of completing their mission...but the true 
> underground will know what's up...
> 
> i knew they were traveling under false pretenses when they 
> did not even know the significance of an "ele mental" party.
> 
> listmembers are advised not to communicate with these
> operatives.
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and let the record show that operatives: opiez,
nicci, & bri shorted me $74 for rent money and 
walked off with a table & even tried stealing some
of my housewarez before i was able to locate it 
and get it back!!

these girls are truly sheisty!!...but i should've figured
it out when they put drugs in my drink, which made me
puke!!

but as mentioned before i showed them nothing except
for the false clues i left them...the true underground
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--- Steviet069@aol.com wrote:
> and let the record show that operatives: opiez,
> nicci, & bri shorted me $74 for rent money and 
> walked off with a table & even tried stealing some
> of my housewarez before i was able to locate it 
> and get it back!!
> 
> these girls are truly sheisty!!...but i should've
> figured
> it out when they put drugs in my drink, which made
> me
> puke!!
> 
> but as mentioned before i showed them nothing except
> for the false clues i left them...the true
> underground
> shall be preserved!!

Stevie...Lying is Pathetic..No One Drugged your drinks
moron..In fact how can we drug a beer when YOU
YOURSELF OPENED IT?! 
And Bri is the only person who owed you money for
rent..If im corrected right..YOU couldnt come up with
YOUR share for last months which led to a late fee.
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Jerome C. Austriaco II wrote:

> Are all people in Columbus this fucked up?  I sure hope not.  Don't you
> people (and you know who I mean) think you should deal with this private
> matter IN PRIVATE?  If you were dissappointed with the experience of

though im not an expert, i think ALL people in Columbus are pretty
zany. so i'm pretty sure you hit the nail on the head. for example,
Mr. Knight and i were having a 'private moment' when out of no where
he puts on this crappy make-out music sped up on 45 with all this
singing and crappy piano playing. that's the last time i go to one of
his crapy parties. 
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In a message dated 3/4/0 9:02:16 PM, opiez wrote:

<<In fact how can we drug a beer when YOU
YOURSELF OPENED IT?! 
And Bri is the only person who owed you money for
rent..If im corrected right..YOU couldnt come up with
YOUR share for last months which led to a late fee.>>

twas not the beer that was poisoned, twas the tequila
...and i did not open that.

wrong, last months rent was paid in full...granted i had
to pawn some old stuff...but it was paid in full...i even
have the reciepts to prove it.

your bitterness in your failure of your mission to stop
the underground by starting false rumors will not fly
far here...after all this is a mailing list dedicated in
preserving the underground...

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In a message dated 3/4/0 9:13:30 PM, matt wrote:

<<Mr. Knight and i were having a 'private moment' when 
out of no where he puts on this crappy make-out music 
sped up on 45 with all this singing and crappy piano playing. 
that's the last time i go to one of his crapy parties. 
matt>>

eeeeew!!...you had a "private moment" with michael knight
too?...who just did one of my roommates?...who both have
boyfriends...and have had countless other sex partners?!
...i can't imagine what kind of sexual diseases must have
been transmitted from all of you!!...ugh, i almost feel like
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--- Steviet069@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 3/4/0 9:13:30 PM, matt wrote:
> 
> <<Mr. Knight and i were having a 'private moment'
> when 
> out of no where he puts on this crappy make-out
> music 
> sped up on 45 with all this singing and crappy piano
> playing. 
> that's the last time i go to one of his crapy
> parties. 
> matt>>
> 
> eeeeew!!...you had a "private moment" with michael
> knight
> too?...who just did one of my roommates?...who both
> have
> boyfriends...and have had countless other sex
> partners?!
> ...i can't imagine what kind of sexual diseases must
> have
> been transmitted from all of you!!...ugh, i almost
> feel like
> puking again!!
> 

Stevie..there you go lying AGAIN...First of all..I
didnt do crap with anyone,I have ONE boyfriend,I DONT
cheat on my boyfriend..and I dont have any
diseases...If we wanna get into that..How about us
telling the list about you little experience with one
of our friends who happens to be ONLY 17...

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Matt Positive wrote:
>for example, Mr. Knight and i were having a 'private moment' when out of no 
>where he puts on this crappy make-out music sped up on 45 with all this 
>singing and crappy piano playing.

ummm...see, last time I saw matt a few weeks ago when he had to play on my 
cheep ass janky mixer...I coulda sworn I heard some of dat shitty sped up 
piano music coming out of the speakers...then he played this really evil 
shit...I'm worried about matty...

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In a message dated 04/03/00 5:05:49 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< UMEK - United Kingdom
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In a message dated 3/4/0 9:31:32 PM, opiez wrote:

<<Stevie..there you go lying AGAIN...First of all..I
didnt do crap with anyone,I have ONE boyfriend,I DONT
cheat on my boyfriend..and I dont have any
diseases...If we wanna get into that..How about us
telling the list about you little experience with one
of our friends who happens to be ONLY 17...>>

excuse me?...this is from your post, just today...

<<Hmm... I wonder how he would feel if he knew Micheal
Knight and I once "shared a moment" in his house,
while he slept in the next room >:)>>

i never had intercourse with that girl...i woke up
with her in my bed & on me...i let her do her "thing"
because i was drunk & half awake, but there was no
penetration...she asked to go further, but i refused...
i'll give her props tho, that girl sure didn't look or act 
17, that's for sure...she knew what she was doing...she 
had *skillz*!!...true porn*star there!

this also cancels out your false accusation that i consider 
it a miracle to get play only once a month...cuz i didn't even 
try with this girl...i was asleep innocently in my bed & woke 
up w/ her all over me...i also got play w/ the second girl you 
spotted that same month, but i have enough morals to end the 
comments here...

sorry girl, you keep callin yourself out now...



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In a message dated 3/4/0 10:30:45 PM, me wrote:

<<i never had intercourse with that girl...i woke up
with her in my bed & on me...i let her do her "thing"
because i was drunk & half awake, but there was no
penetration...she asked to go further, but i refused...
i'll give her props tho, that girl sure didn't look or act 
17, that's for sure...she knew what she was doing...she 
had *skillz*!!...true porn*star there!>>

lol, that girl turns legal this month!!...and i told her i
might let her do what she wants to me on her birthday!!
...plus she told me the only reason she didn't come back
was because she didn't like you, because you were so
sheisty and talked so much smack!!

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In a message dated 3/4/0 9:31:32 PM, opiez wrote:

<<Stevie..there you go lying AGAIN...First of all..I
didnt do crap with anyone,I have ONE boyfriend,I DONT
cheat on my boyfriend..and I dont have any
diseases...If we wanna get into that..How about us
telling the list about you little experience with one
of our friends who happens to be ONLY 17...>>

excuse me?...this is from your post, just today...

<<Hmm... I wonder how he would feel if he knew Micheal
Knight and I once "shared a moment" in his house,
while he slept in the next room >:)>>

i never had intercourse with that girl...i woke up
with her in my bed & on me...i let her do her "thing"
because i was drunk & half awake, but there was no
penetration...she asked to go further, but i refused...
i'll give her props tho, that girl sure didn't look or act 
17, that's for sure...she knew what she was doing...she 
had *skillz*!!...true porn*star there!

this also cancels out your false accusation that i consider 
it a miracle to get play only once a month...cuz i didn't even 
try with this girl...i was asleep innocently in my bed & woke 
up w/ her all over me...i also got play w/ the second girl you 
spotted that same month, but i have enough morals to end the 
comments here...

sorry girl, you keep callin yourself out now...



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 04 23:00:28 2000
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>lol, that girl turns legal this month!!...and i told her i
>might let her do what she wants to me on her birthday!!
>..plus she told me the only reason she didn't come back
>was because she didn't like you, because you were so
>sheisty and talked so much smack!!
>





Just a little info for all you crusty, pedophile mofo's out there... 16 is
legal in the state of Ohio (and Indiana).  That means a 50 year old (man or
woman) can have sex with a ~consenting~ 16 year old.  Pretty sick huh?  Of
course if the parents wish to cause trouble, one might be charged with
"Contributing to the Deliquency of a Minor" or some such thing.  Although
intercourse is not of itself grounds for such a charge.  

Just b/c its legal doesnt make it right... so....  is it anymore right for
you to have sex with this girl a few days after she's 18???????


tad





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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 04 23:04:48 2000
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This grows dull. Creepy guys trying to mack on underage raver girls and binge drinking really
aren't that amusing.. I kind of pictured Stevie as being prone to running around the apartment
nude with tinfoil on his head screaming about "alien transmissions" and such. This is all just too
common.


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In a message dated 3/4/0 11:00:33 PM, you wrote:

<<Just a little info for all you crusty, pedophile mofo's out there... 16 is
legal in the state of Ohio (and Indiana).  That means a 50 year old (man or
woman) can have sex with a ~consenting~ 16 year old.  Pretty sick huh?  Of
course if the parents wish to cause trouble, one might be charged with
"Contributing to the Deliquency of a Minor" or some such thing.  Although
intercourse is not of itself grounds for such a charge.  

Just b/c its legal doesnt make it right... so....  is it anymore right for
you to have sex with this girl a few days after she's 18???????


tad>>

dayum!!...16 is the consenting age in Ohio!!...Stevie kickin
himself with his morals!!

actually, if you saw this girl you would understand!!...this
girl was hot!!...she looked 21!!...36D-25-36...she had a bod & was
damn cute too!!


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In a message dated 3/4/2000 4:24:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< .i can't imagine what kind of sexual diseases must have
 been transmitted from all of you!!...ugh, i almost feel like
 puking again!!
  >>

stevie.....grow out of your elementary school mentality, please

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In a message dated 3/4/2000 5:44:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< ol, that girl turns legal this month!!...and i told her i
 might let her do what she wants to me on her birthday!!
 ...plus she told me the only reason she didn't come back
 was because she didn't like you, because you were so
 sheisty and talked so much smack!!
  >>

how old are you stevie??? twice the girls age....wow you are the king of 
pimps...pathetic pimps

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Mr. Tsang, as I asked you the other day....Do you trust where you live?? I 
find it amusing that you used the phrase Porn*star operatives, when after 
all of your grossly exaggerated post of your relationship with these young 
ladies, we dubbed them the same.

Now as long as our last operative makes his move....

Thomas
>From: Opiey <eiectraiux@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Opiey <eiectraiux@yahoo.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] Apology
>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 11:46:24 -0800 (PST)
>
>Dear List,
>   My fellow girlfriends and I owe the list an apology.
>  Because we have left Stevie T's house (after a month
>of living in his "presence") he will be writing a LOT
>more (useless) posts, mainly because there are not
>three other girls there to hog the phone line.  So we
>apology that our leving as put you all in a position
>to deal with twice the plateload of bullshit.
>
>On a happy note :)  My "pornstar" roomies(as we were
>dubbed... mainly because the person who gave us that
>name thinks getting laid once in a month is a
>miracle)and I live in a spacious three bed room
>apartment now, close to the downtown area.
>
>So once in again we apologize.  As compensation, if
>you would like, feel free to email us and we can give
>you allll kinds of juicy, witnessed put-down material
>that we have acquired from living with this "kool
>kat".  >:)
>
>-Opiey, Nicci and Bri
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In a message dated 3/4/0 11:18:37 PM, mib wrote:

<<Mr. Tsang, as I asked you the other day....Do you trust 
where you live?? I find it amusing that you used the phrase 
Porn*star operatives, when after all of your grossly 
exaggerated post of your relationship with these young 
ladies, we dubbed them the same.

Now as long as our last operative makes his move....>>

you can not stop the underground...for the meek shall
inherit the earth...and we shall prevail over all your dark 
forces!!...you may have decieved & enslaved most of the 
mindless within your matrix to feed the beast, but the 
strong at heart, the chosen few, the family of light is
destined to overthrow your lord of darkness, then there
shall be true freedom & there will be heaven on earth for
1000 years...it is written and it shall!


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> >lol, that girl turns legal this month!!...and i
> told her i
> >might let her do what she wants to me on her
> birthday!!
> >..plus she told me the only reason she didn't come
> back
> >was because she didn't like you, because you were
> so
> >sheisty and talked so much smack!!> 

Now is where we should mention to the list that this
girl is 17... lost her virginity when she was 16... 
that's not so bad, except that she's done 84 people in
that amount of time...  I mean.. come on.. did you
think Stevie could get a girl that WASNT a whore..?

PS - We gave her free beer to suck you peepee :p
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 00:41:11 2000
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Okay.. another clear up for the list...  The whole
time we lived there... I did two people... One was an
ex I did once... the other is my boyfrend.

Nicci has only done one person.. her boyfriend

Bri... none..

Not that I want to explain all this to strangers but..
More lies by our Asian buddy :)
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--- "Ignatius J. Reilly" <te_one@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> This grows dull. Creepy guys trying to mack on
> underage raver girls and binge drinking really
> aren't that amusing.. I kind of pictured Stevie as
> being prone to running around the apartment
> nude with tinfoil on his head screaming about "alien
> transmissions" and such. This is all just too
> common.
> 



Exactly!  Thats all he is... Common.. boring.. self
righteous.
> 
> 
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 Ok I am tired of this damn thread. can you guy's take this 
 to private mail? All you're doing is publicly bashing eachother
 for some unknown reason (as if that's new for stevie, but 
 still ;P ).. and frankly most of this could give a damn about
 why you guys aren't living together or stevie's sex life.
 WE DON'T CARE! So if you wanna fight, do it in private this
 is just a big waste of time to everyone else that doesn't
 give a damn.

  Peace,

   *Shandi*

email: tankgirl@indy.net
AOL IM: Czarina790
ebay user ID: iluvsp

On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Opiey wrote:

> 
> > >lol, that girl turns legal this month!!...and i
> > told her i
> > >might let her do what she wants to me on her
> > birthday!!
> > >..plus she told me the only reason she didn't come
> > back
> > >was because she didn't like you, because you were
> > so
> > >sheisty and talked so much smack!!> 
> 
> Now is where we should mention to the list that this
> girl is 17... lost her virginity when she was 16... 
> that's not so bad, except that she's done 84 people in
> that amount of time...  I mean.. come on.. did you
> think Stevie could get a girl that WASNT a whore..?
> 
> PS - We gave her free beer to suck you peepee :p
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i care.

this is the only thing i've really read on this list in the past few months.
more more more i want more!

you guys have aolim?


----- Original Message -----
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>
>  Ok I am tired of this damn thread. can you guy's take this
>  to private mail? All you're doing is publicly bashing eachother
>  for some unknown reason (as if that's new for stevie, but
>  still ;P ).. and frankly most of this could give a damn about
>  why you guys aren't living together or stevie's sex life.
>  WE DON'T CARE! So if you wanna fight, do it in private this
>  is just a big waste of time to everyone else that doesn't
>  give a damn.
>
>   Peace,
>
>    *Shandi*
>
> email: tankgirl@indy.net
> AOL IM: Czarina790
> ebay user ID: iluvsp
>
> On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Opiey wrote:
>
> >
> > > >lol, that girl turns legal this month!!...and i
> > > told her i
> > > >might let her do what she wants to me on her
> > > birthday!!
> > > >..plus she told me the only reason she didn't come
> > > back
> > > >was because she didn't like you, because you were
> > > so
> > > >sheisty and talked so much smack!!>
> >
> > Now is where we should mention to the list that this
> > girl is 17... lost her virginity when she was 16...
> > that's not so bad, except that she's done 84 people in
> > that amount of time...  I mean.. come on.. did you
> > think Stevie could get a girl that WASNT a whore..?
> >
> > PS - We gave her free beer to suck you peepee :p
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I am sooooooo entertained myself (but then again, I watch jerry springer
for laughs  -it puts my life in perspective I dont feel to wierd, you know
hooking up with horny housewives online j/k)

Hey! maybe they should all go on Jerry?  I know stevie is so ghetto that a
free trip to chicago would worth publicly humiliating himself.



tad



At 06:59 PM 3/4/00 -0600, Curtis Tiffany wrote:
>i care.
>
>this is the only thing i've really read on this list in the past few months.
>more more more i want more!
>
>you guys have aolim?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Shandi" <tankgirl@indy.net>
>To: "Opiey" <eiectraiux@yahoo.com>
>Cc: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 6:46 PM
>Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [mw] Apology
>
>
>>
>>  Ok I am tired of this damn thread. can you guy's take this
>>  to private mail? All you're doing is publicly bashing eachother
>>  for some unknown reason (as if that's new for stevie, but
>>  still ;P ).. and frankly most of this could give a damn about
>>  why you guys aren't living together or stevie's sex life.
>>  WE DON'T CARE! So if you wanna fight, do it in private this
>>  is just a big waste of time to everyone else that doesn't
>>  give a damn.
>>
>>   Peace,
>>
>>    *Shandi*
>>
>> email: tankgirl@indy.net
>> AOL IM: Czarina790
>> ebay user ID: iluvsp
>>
>> On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, Opiey wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > > >lol, that girl turns legal this month!!...and i
>> > > told her i
>> > > >might let her do what she wants to me on her
>> > > birthday!!
>> > > >..plus she told me the only reason she didn't come
>> > > back
>> > > >was because she didn't like you, because you were
>> > > so
>> > > >sheisty and talked so much smack!!>
>> >
>> > Now is where we should mention to the list that this
>> > girl is 17... lost her virginity when she was 16...
>> > that's not so bad, except that she's done 84 people in
>> > that amount of time...  I mean.. come on.. did you
>> > think Stevie could get a girl that WASNT a whore..?
>> >
>> > PS - We gave her free beer to suck you peepee :p
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In a message dated 3/5/0 12:39:07 AM, opiez wrote:

<<Now is where we should mention to the list that this
girl is 17... lost her virginity when she was 16... 
that's not so bad, except that she's done 84 people in
that amount of time...  I mean.. come on.. did you
think Stevie could get a girl that WASNT a whore..?

PS - We gave her free beer to suck you peepee :p>>

k, now you're going over board!!...it's one thing to make
false accusations against me (alot of haters on here
do it anywaze)...but leave her out of it!!...quit exagerating
about how many people she slept with!!...it just makes 
you look even more evil than you already are...

none of my ex girlfriends were whores, you've never even
met any of them...so that's another lie...

and you did not give her free beer to perform oral sex on 
me because she brought over her own case...in addition, i 
specifically asked her if you had put her up to it...and 
she said definitly "no"...

but by now most of the list can see you are a clearly a
deciever, since you had previously posted that you had 
slept with michael knight and now you are denying it...



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lol.. believe me.. I get IMs from people who want more
wicked stories >:)  We've got a ton...

Well, first lemme clear something up... I can be evil,
but Nicci and I did not stiff Stevie on rent... We
lived there one month and payed two months worth of
rent:  Fair.  Nicci and I each payed our 175.  Bri did
not pay all her money... But that's her and Stevie's
deal, not ours.  And no, we did not ho out of the
house...  Like I said...  I did like, 2 ppl lol.. one
being my boyfriend.. Micheal and I never had sex.. we
just shared a momemt is all I said :p

Stevie...  I know you're reading this... Look at this
is our way of saying "Thank you" for all the shit you
put us through :)  I also noticed you havent been
offline today :p

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> k, now you're going over board!!...it's one thing to
> make
> false accusations against me (alot of haters on here
> do it anywaze)...but leave her out of it!!...quit
> exagerating
> about how many people she slept with!!...it just
> makes 
> you look even more evil than you already are...


If you ask her how many people she's slept with, thats
the number she will tell you.  Hell, I did her... how
ya like my sloppy seconds :)


> none of my ex girlfriends were whores, you've never
> even
> met any of them...so that's another lie...

I never said any of your ex's were whores.. I dont
know any.


> and you did not give her free beer to perform oral
> sex on 
> me because she brought over her own case...in
> addition, i 
> specifically asked her if you had put her up to
> it...and 
> she said definitly "no"...

lol... You believe her :)


 
> but by now most of the list can see you are a
> clearly a
> deciever, since you had previously posted that you
> had 
> slept with michael knight and now you are denying
> it...


I didnt say Micheal and I slept together... I said we
"shared a moment"  which involved a lot of things, but
no sex.


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In a message dated 3/5/0 1:10:22 AM, sluck wrote:

<<Hey! maybe they should all go on Jerry?  I know stevie 
is so ghetto that a free trip to chicago would worth publicly 
humiliating himself.>>

actually a co-worker of mine just appeared on springer...
almost everybody on there is paid of...it's acting for drama
...yur right, i could use the money...how'd u know i was 
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In a message dated 3/5/0 1:18:46 AM, opiez wrote:

<<If you ask her how many people she's slept with, thats
the number she will tell you.  Hell, I did her... how
ya like my sloppy seconds :)>>

i asked her and that *was not* the number she gave!
...but get real, how is a girl s'posed to do 84 guys from
16 to 17 when she was in the military also?...your
lies dont fly!!...altho admitting that she was one of
your sloppy seconds attest to your promiscuity!!

<<I never said any of your ex's were whores.. I dont
know any.>>

these were your exact words: <<come on.. did you
think Stevie could get a girl that WASNT a whore..?>>

once again, you called yourself out.

<<lol... You believe her :)>>

i definitly believe her over you!!...she said you were 
sheisty & talked alot of smack...i definitly can not 
deny that now...

other than that, and the fact that you guys were always
on the phone...it wasn't that bad livin with y'allz...
kinda fun actually

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I'm so sorry.

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drama....drama....drama.....somebody needs to get a life fo real!


>From: Steviet069@aol.com
>Reply-To: Steviet069@aol.com
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: mo stevie t drama wuz  Re:  [mw] Apology
>Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 20:58:07 EST
>
>
>In a message dated 3/5/0 1:18:46 AM, opiez wrote:
>
><<If you ask her how many people she's slept with, thats
>the number she will tell you.  Hell, I did her... how
>ya like my sloppy seconds :)>>
>
>i asked her and that *was not* the number she gave!
>...but get real, how is a girl s'posed to do 84 guys from
>16 to 17 when she was in the military also?...your
>lies dont fly!!...altho admitting that she was one of
>your sloppy seconds attest to your promiscuity!!
>
><<I never said any of your ex's were whores.. I dont
>know any.>>
>
>these were your exact words: <<come on.. did you
>think Stevie could get a girl that WASNT a whore..?>>
>
>once again, you called yourself out.
>
><<lol... You believe her :)>>
>
>i definitly believe her over you!!...she said you were
>sheisty & talked alot of smack...i definitly can not
>deny that now...
>
>other than that, and the fact that you guys were always
>on the phone...it wasn't that bad livin with y'allz...
>kinda fun actually
>
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www.selekta.com

Tri-Quad Entertainment and
The Selekta bring you an evening
of LIVE music from Columbus, Ohio....

D E D I C A T I O N
www.selekta.com/multimedia/dedication.asp

10-11 Specialist
11-12 Product 19
12-1 David Hollands
1-2 Performing Live!! S.P.A.W.N.
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That's Peace.  I will check some of it out.  Peace.

On Sat, 4 Mar 2000, The  wrote:

> www.selekta.com
> 
> Tri-Quad Entertainment and
> The Selekta bring you an evening
> of LIVE music from Columbus, Ohio....
> 
> D E D I C A T I O N
> www.selekta.com/multimedia/dedication.asp
> 
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> 3:30-4:30 Dread
> 4:30-5:30 Deadly Buda
> 5:30-end 7-up
> 
> ENJOY!!!!
> 
> The Selekta
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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curtis, your one sick sad little puppy!

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"You're all instruments...
everyone is supposed to be playing their part."
- Sun-ra

why do i feel like 95% of the world is tone deaf.

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In a message dated 3/5/0 3:22:30 AM, selekta wrote:

<<www.selekta.com

Tri-Quad Entertainment and
The Selekta bring you an evening
of LIVE music from Columbus, Ohio....>>

yes folks, love is free!!!

props to my mang three & thee selekta!!!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Sebion" <tonysebion@tensionboy.com>

> so, who wants to tell their story first?
>
> I wanna hear everyone's everything about the no backpacks, cameras, candy,
> vicks, masks, etc...no regular bathrooms, just port-a-cans, no running
> water...waiting for 5+ hours just to get in the door when you bought
> pre-sales tickets...and the riot that ensued because it was taking so
long.
>
> -t


thats why they tell you to come early, you can't get 3700 people in through
the door in 2 hours
do the math, it's impossible.  there is nothing we can do about it, at our
(full spectrum) & boogie
tribe events, we do full patdowns at the door, at least try our best to keep
the drugs out.
we don't want people dying at our events. there was only one girl that had
to be taken to the hospital
due to drugs.  that is amazing for 6500 people.
BT did one hell of a job, it's not their fault people started
a riot, maybe if people would cooperate lines would go a lot faster.

peace-
mike

upcoming full spectrum events
samsara may 13th
bonkers dos nov 11th  -  gonna be chicago's biggest party to date - no joke


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i knew you were after little girls..... tell viktor that next time u buy him 
a drink
<< How about us
 telling the list about you little experience with one
 of our friends who happens to be ONLY 17.. >>






I'll see you all there.
The place where you lose yourself
The place where you find yourself 
All in the same instant
That's the music
That's where i'll be

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you got some on your shirt



TekkgirIie@aol.com writes:

<< BELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLCH
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In a message dated 3/5/0 7:37:59 AM, trancedanz wrote:

<<i knew you were after little girls>>

i'm not after teenage girls...she was after me!...i woke up
with her on me.

i can't help it if teenage girls are attracted to me, especially
when i look 19!...but that's what happens when you reach 
enlightenment, you stop aging and that was the age i reached
enlightenment.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 13:31:36 2000
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I will be playing on WWW.paxahau.com sometime between 7 and 10.....

They do it every sunday and have a bunch of very cool archives from a bunch
of VERY cool DJ's....


You should check it out!!!!

http://www.paxahau.com/archives.htm


If you happen to tune in, ENJOY!!!

derek.







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Misstress Barbra ROCKED ! of course, but this was my 5th time seeing her and 
I can honestly say the other 4x she slammed it 100% harder and better.  Plus 
she only played for a lil over a hour .. whats up with that ? IMHO Every 
amazing techno set should last at least 2 hrs. AT LEAST! grr Barbra is the 
goddess of techno thou.. cant deny that !
anyway..  
Hardfloor blew nuts.
Revolution 9 blew bigger nuts, I swore they were gonna start mixing country 
music.
Slater saved us all from that pussy trance music : )
And it was wonderful to see all my lil mwraver hukkers ! You made it fun when 
the music suckedddddddass =P
<3
lorie

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In a message dated 3/5/0 7:50:21 AM, me wrote:

<<i'm not after teenage girls...she was after me!...i woke up
with her on me.>>

i would also like to add, she was the one who got me drunk too!
...she brought over a case of bud light...not a 6 pack, a case!!...
...that's why i thought she was older cuz she had brought her 
own beer...she kept makin passes @ me all night too...first she
showed me her boobies...and believe you me, they did not look
like underage boobies...36D's...this girl had a very nice bod, i'll
give her props (after all she was in boot camp before) she definitly
did not look underage and she was definitly experienced...she
seduced me!!...i was passed out innocently in my bed & woke up
with her on me...

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Subject: Re: [mw] hey lorie, look!
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yesh yesh sistah!!!

i wanna go SO SO bad...why can't i just transport er sumthin'??  but hell,
i'd drive to the ends to see umek....so, i may just be there...

UMEK....mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.  yummay is right!

makez me moist   =)


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 17:49:47 2000
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Girl ya got balls to be dissin all these people, its nice to see that your
not afraid to express your feelings.
No this isnt a dis.



At 09:38 AM 3/5/00 EST, TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
>Misstress Barbra ROCKED ! of course, but this was my 5th time seeing her and 
>I can honestly say the other 4x she slammed it 100% harder and better.  Plus 
>she only played for a lil over a hour .. whats up with that ? IMHO Every 
>amazing techno set should last at least 2 hrs. AT LEAST! grr Barbra is the 
>goddess of techno thou.. cant deny that !
>anyway..  
>Hardfloor blew nuts.
>Revolution 9 blew bigger nuts, I swore they were gonna start mixing country 
>music.
>Slater saved us all from that pussy trance music : )
>And it was wonderful to see all my lil mwraver hukkers ! You made it fun
when 
>the music suckedddddddass =P
><3
>lorie
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If what your living is considered enlightenment... 
Than I see why ignorance is bliss.  I didnt know
enlightenment entailed having no friends, or human
conact.  By the way... the letter written about you
doing 17 year olds was written by Nicci, not me, so
get it straight who you yell at.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 19:00:16 2000
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> ...she kept makin passes @ me all night
> too...first she
> showed me her boobies...

*sigh*
RULES OF WHORE-DOM 101
RULE 12:  When a girl who just met you an hour ago
shows you her boobs, she *probably* is a cronic boob show-er.
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In a message dated 3/5/00 1:00:49 PM Central Standard Time, 
eiectraiux@yahoo.com writes:

<< sigh*
 RULES OF WHORE-DOM 101
 RULE 12:  When a girl who just met you an hour ago
 shows you her boobs, she *probably* is a cronic boob show-er. >>
thats true!

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MW-Raves:
more dirty laundry than the local duds n suds.

--- Opiey <eiectraiux@yahoo.com> wrote:
> lol.. believe me.. I get IMs from people who want
> more
> wicked stories >:)  We've got a ton...
> 
> Well, first lemme clear something up... I can be
> evil,
> but Nicci and I did not stiff Stevie on rent... We
> lived there one month and payed two months worth of
> rent:  Fair.  Nicci and I each payed our 175.  Bri
> did
> not pay all her money... But that's her and Stevie's
> deal, not ours.  And no, we did not ho out of the
> house...  Like I said...  I did like, 2 ppl lol..
> one
> being my boyfriend.. Micheal and I never had sex..
> we
> just shared a momemt is all I said :p
> 
> Stevie...  I know you're reading this... Look at
> this
> is our way of saying "Thank you" for all the shit
> you
> put us through :)  I also noticed you havent been
> offline today :p
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I am *SO* glad I didn't bother to unsub for the week I was gone.  What
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> mexican food rules too!!...taco bell (cheap & good),
> chi chi's
> (titties), 

hate to tell you stevie, you ignorent fuck, taco bell
and chi chi's are not real mexican food.
Thats like saying fucking fried rice and crab rangoon
are real fucking chinese food.
dumb ass.
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<< real fucking chinese food. >>
wowo that must be a sight to see.

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advent?
steve stoll ?


YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYHARDBANGINGMINDFUCKINGTEC
HNO

You are making me come to shitcago for this one.

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You need to move to KC and marry Me! Ive been looking
for a girl like you forever. 
	Agreed, techno sets need to be longer. Its hard
cramming a bunch of banging track into a hour set,
trying to give someone more then just alot of kick
drum. 
I almost cried when i fuond out Misstress Barbra was
playing for the other team, sob.

peace,
Offtrack


--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> Misstress Barbra ROCKED ! of course, but this was my
> 5th time seeing her and 
> I can honestly say the other 4x she slammed it 100%
> harder and better.  Plus 
> she only played for a lil over a hour .. whats up
> with that ? IMHO Every 
> amazing techno set should last at least 2 hrs. AT
> LEAST! grr Barbra is the 
> goddess of techno thou.. cant deny that !
> anyway..  
> Hardfloor blew nuts.
> Revolution 9 blew bigger nuts, I swore they were
> gonna start mixing country 
> music.
> Slater saved us all from that pussy trance music : )
> And it was wonderful to see all my lil mwraver
> hukkers ! You made it fun when 
> the music suckedddddddass =P
> <3
> lorie
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1. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile  
2. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil]  
3. Titonton "The Pornographic ep" [residual] 
4. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
5. G. Wilson "Groove propulsion" [compound]
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In a message dated 3/5/0 6:58:21 PM, opiez wrote:

<<If what your living is considered enlightenment... 
Than I see why ignorance is bliss.  I didnt know
enlightenment entailed having no friends, or human
conact.>>

as mentioned before, i showed you guys nothing...
except for the false clues i left you...i knew you guys
weren't to be trusted when i found out y'all would
rather talk shit about me then to bother to see what
i had to truly offer (why do you think all those odd
screen names were im'ing you asking questions about
me?), you never passed the first test...as a result, y'all 
were showed nothing, nothing except for michael 
knight's lame ass that y'all loved shootin the shit with...
hope it was worth it...yur right, you reap what you sow...
you guys dished the shit...as a result, y'all recieved shit...

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In a message dated 3/5/0 7:33:14 PM, fergus wrote:

<<I am *SO* glad I didn't bother to unsub for the week I 
was gone.  What would I have done if I had missed out on 
all this??>>

like i said, i *should* get paid for all this quality entertainment
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>In a message dated 3/5/0 7:33:14 PM, fergus wrote:
>
><<I am *SO* glad I didn't bother to unsub for the week I 
>was gone.  What would I have done if I had missed out on 
>all this??>>
>
>like i said, i *should* get paid for all this quality entertainment
>i provide y'all....


Shame on my ass for forgetting the sarcasm indicators.

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In a message dated 3/5/0 8:04:21 PM, jon_gotti wrote:

<<hate to tell you stevie, you ignorent fuck, taco bell
and chi chi's are not real mexican food.
Thats like saying fucking fried rice and crab rangoon
are real fucking chinese food.>>

no shit, paddy wack, give yourself a bone!!

i never said it was authentic mexican food...i still like
taco bell & chi chi's...i've had authentic mexican food
before...i've been to tijuana, mexico city, and acapulco
before...had the authentic taco's spread out on a plate
...even had fish taco's in southern california...i climbed the 
pyramids in mexico...saw the original 12 foot aztec calendar
...even seen the burlap sack with image of the of the lady 
guadelupe...a genuine relic & holy miracle...can you say the 
same?

this is weird, first jon gotti displayed homosexual
tendencies when he said he loved me...and now someone
whose previous best quotes were "beer rules" and "show
me your tits!" all of a sudden bursts out with hidden
cultural exclamations!!...what is mw-raves coming too?!
...i will enlighten all of you yet!!...including the notorious
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 22:53:10 2000
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LOL Stevie...  I could sit here and write retorts for
every sentance you said except...
I'm pretty sure the list knows your all bullshit
>>I<< know your all bullshit
Everyone here doesnt wanna hear t
>>I<< dont wanna hear it

Blah blah blah.. Blind to the truth.. blah blah blah..

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 23:17:28 2000
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wow stevie, you've been to MEXICO?!?!?!
hot damn!!! you're a lot cooler than i thought.
lets all give him a BIG round of applause, folks. stevie t has proved to us 
just how culturally enlightened he is. now maybe he'll leave.
-val


>
>i never said it was authentic mexican food...i still like
>taco bell & chi chi's...i've had authentic mexican food
>before...i've been to tijuana, mexico city, and acapulco
>before...had the authentic taco's spread out on a plate
>...even had fish taco's in southern california...i climbed the
>pyramids in mexico...saw the original 12 foot aztec calendar
>...even seen the burlap sack with image of the of the lady
>guadelupe...a genuine relic & holy miracle...can you say the
>same?


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 23:21:40 2000
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I was in Hot Topic with my guy the other day looking at sunglasses...and my
eyes fell upon a very scary sight.  Hanging up on the "girlie" side of the
wall was a cute little T-Shirt that had "P.L.U.R." across the front of it.

Now when the fuck is everyone going to realize that there is no such thing
as PLUR???

Dammit!

It's all about sex, drugs, and gabbahouse!

fergus

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 23:24:03 2000
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maybe in your sick, twisted little mind.  It should not be about drugs and 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 23:25:10 2000
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>maybe in your sick, twisted little mind.  It should not be about drugs and 
>crap like that. 


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*smirk*

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 23:35:55 2000
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PLUR doesn't exist because people like you don't belive in it.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 23:39:10 2000
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she was fucking kidding.. jeezus fucking christ.  get a grip people..heheh...

i imagine that...the fact that people like you treat things so damn serious 
also has some bearing on the life of 'plur'

shit.. eat it...eat it ALL

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 23:42:38 2000
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>There is so much damn drama and *SaRcAsM* on this list, who knows when
anyone 
>is kidding!!  :)


Well you OBVIOUSLY missed the sarcastic emoticon at the end of my post.
Therefore, I still think you all suck.

Besides...I wasn't kidding.

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Fergus....         ~MUAH~   You needa l ighten up!!  :)     

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>Fergus....         ~MUAH~   You needa l ighten up!!  :)     

must have missed that emoticon again....




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In a message dated 3/5/00 5:51:22 PM Central Standard Time, 
fergcore@earthlink.net writes:

<< 
 must have missed that emoticon again....
  >>
bawhawhawhawhawhaw

dayum.  i wanna be like furg....

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 05 23:56:54 2000
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>must have missed that emoticon again....

Giggl*  sillie me...    :)

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In a message dated 05/03/00 6:39:23 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
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<< shit.. eat it...eat it ALL
 
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damn that turned me on.

AHhAHAhAHAHhahaHAHAhAHAHHAHHAhaH.
i love you sOOOooOOoOOozi.

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In a message dated 3/5/00 6:24:47 PM Central Standard Time, TekkgirIie writes:

<< 
 damn that turned me on.
 
 AHhAHAhAHAHhahaHAHAhAHAHHAHHAhaH.
 i love you sOOOooOOoOOozi. >>
ya know...i purposely do things to make your womanly part excrete (grin)

THIS is plur, mutha fukka.

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dayum, and i thought my thread was stupid!

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In a message dated 3/5/00 7:07:45 PM Central Standard Time, 
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<< dayum, and i thought my thread was stupid!
  >>
back off fucker.  your thread is stupid.


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>dayum, and i thought my thread was stupid!

No, it's not your thread StevieT...it's just you that's stupid.

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In a message dated 3/6/0 1:09:18 AM, soozi wrote:

<<back off fucker.  your thread is stupid.>>

ahahahahaha!!!...now dats funny!!!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 01:26:27 2000
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Apprently there is some other drum'n'bass DJ from London that uses
the DJ name "Scam" (which I have been using for quite a while). I got the
following letter from this guy today, and I'm not quite sure what to do.
Anyone have any experience in dealing with people like this??? Is it even
worth thinking about? I made a pretty exhaustive search to find any flyers
or things this guy has played at, and came up with nothing... The guy
sounds like he's about 16 too, which seriously makes me doubt his "10
years" of using the DJ name... ahhhh whatever... read on =]

Brandon

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:59:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Dj Scam <scamskypro@yahoo.com>
To: Brandon Ivers <sluggo@visi.com>
Subject: Common courtesy you say? 

Brandon,
        I have some news for you mate. I have been
using the Dj Scam name for over 10 years and am from
London, where Drum and Bass is from!

 I have been producing and listening to Drum and Bass
before any of you Yanks.

D.J.S.C.A.M. are also the initials of my real names so
I think I have more right to the name than you.

Also we are not the only people who use this name so I
wouldn't get too stressed over it, if I was you.

Lets see who gets more known and then we can let the
public decide who deserves the "Dj Scam" tag!

I warn you though, my tracks will fuck up any US D&B,
because I know this music inside out!

=====
DJ SCAM

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 01:32:00 2000
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I'd do the following:
1. Ignore the stupid cunt
2. Reply back and tell him to fuck off
3. Reply back and tell him to fuck off, then proceed
to ignore all his lame replies
4. #3 + copyright your name and sue the cunt


That is all
Misha

--- Brandon Ivers <sluggo@visi.com> wrote:
> Apprently there is some other drum'n'bass DJ from
> London that uses
> the DJ name "Scam" (which I have been using for
> quite a while). I got the
> following letter from this guy today, and I'm not
> quite sure what to do.
> Anyone have any experience in dealing with people
> like this??? Is it even
> worth thinking about? I made a pretty exhaustive
> search to find any flyers
> or things this guy has played at, and came up with
> nothing... The guy
> sounds like he's about 16 too, which seriously makes
> me doubt his "10
> years" of using the DJ name... ahhhh whatever...
> read on =]
> 
> Brandon
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:59:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dj Scam <scamskypro@yahoo.com>
> To: Brandon Ivers <sluggo@visi.com>
> Subject: Common courtesy you say? 
> 
> Brandon,
>         I have some news for you mate. I have been
> using the Dj Scam name for over 10 years and am from
> London, where Drum and Bass is from!
> 
>  I have been producing and listening to Drum and
> Bass
> before any of you Yanks.
> 
> D.J.S.C.A.M. are also the initials of my real names
> so
> I think I have more right to the name than you.
> 
> Also we are not the only people who use this name so
> I
> wouldn't get too stressed over it, if I was you.
> 
> Lets see who gets more known and then we can let the
> public decide who deserves the "Dj Scam" tag!
> 
> I warn you though, my tracks will fuck up any US
> D&B,
> because I know this music inside out!
> 
> =====
> DJ SCAM
> 
> SKYLON PRODUCTIONS: www.skylon-pro.com
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> http://im.yahoo.com
> 
> 
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> 
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In a message dated 3/6/0 1:13:18 AM, fergus wrote:

<<No, it's not your thread StevieT...it's just you that's stupid.>>

lol, takes one to know one & u know em all
lol, yur the bus driver!!

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><<No, it's not your thread StevieT...it's just you that's stupid.>>
>
>lol, takes one to know one & u know em all
>lol, yur the bus driver!!


omg someone please hurry and hand me a kleenex!  My imaginary tears are
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How did he find out about you anyways Brandon?

God, what a loser.

I think we all should send him mail telling him what a douche bag he is. I think you're right, he's 16.

Unless you give me the go ahead to send him shit mail, I'd just ignore the fucker.

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there's a cheesecore dj from boston who started using the name dj Entropy 
(the wonderful kid in the red hat) or so he stated...   also said he wanted 
to 'battle' me for the name...  (like what media?)  for that matter there's 
also another dj entropy from new orleans I gather... at any rate you can 
argue the fact that you've been using a name for twenty years... Names and 
brands get contested all the time...

on the basic level... you've got to tell yourself this... It doesn't 
matter... if that is your name and that is your reputation... continue to 
build it... when it comes time that you are going to clash... if and when 
that does happen... stand behind it... and more than likely the other mother 
fucker will back down.

This guy does sound like a wanker and those come a dime a dozen as well... I 
wouldn't sweat it... 

entro
there can be only one =)

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Sounds like a kid to me too.. I'd just ignore him and go
copyright your name.  That way you won't have deal with
losers like this dude.  There are so many djs that it's
almost impossible to find a completely original name.  I
can think of a few international djs that share names.
Take dj 3D for example.  He's a big jungle dj in chicago
and part of the london trip-hop group 'Massive Attack.'
They are two different people with the same name.  I
assume they probably know about each other.  Maybe they
have some kind of an agreement.  Anyway, the dude can't
even write a coherent letter so I wouldn't consider him
a threat.

peace,
dj chrisp

On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:26:23 -0600 (CST), Brandon Ivers wrote:

>  Apprently there is some other drum'n'bass DJ from London that uses
>  the DJ name "Scam" (which I have been using for quite a while). I got the
>  following letter from this guy today, and I'm not quite sure what to do.
>  Anyone have any experience in dealing with people like this??? Is it even
>  worth thinking about? I made a pretty exhaustive search to find any
flyers
>  or things this guy has played at, and came up with nothing... The guy
>  sounds like he's about 16 too, which seriously makes me doubt his "10
>  years" of using the DJ name... ahhhh whatever... read on =]
>  
>  Brandon
>  
>  ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>  Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:59:19 -0800 (PST)
>  From: Dj Scam <scamskypro@yahoo.com>
>  To: Brandon Ivers <sluggo@visi.com>
>  Subject: Common courtesy you say? 
>  
>  Brandon,
>          I have some news for you mate. I have been
>  using the Dj Scam name for over 10 years and am from
>  London, where Drum and Bass is from!
>  
>   I have been producing and listening to Drum and Bass
>  before any of you Yanks.
>  
>  D.J.S.C.A.M. are also the initials of my real names so
>  I think I have more right to the name than you.
>  
>  Also we are not the only people who use this name so I
>  wouldn't get too stressed over it, if I was you.
>  
>  Lets see who gets more known and then we can let the
>  public decide who deserves the "Dj Scam" tag!
>  
>  I warn you though, my tracks will fuck up any US D&B,
>  because I know this music inside out!
>  
>  =====
>  DJ SCAM
>  
>  SKYLON PRODUCTIONS: www.skylon-pro.com
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I was informed a while ago that there is a Techno DJ from NY that shares
the name "Elroy." We found out about each other on ravedata.com and just
agreed that we'd both use the name and be okay with it. We initially
just wanted to get things sorted out on ravedata as to who's played
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arguing. Sounds like you're dealing with a fool. As everyone else has
said, I'd just ignore him.

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Julian hit me back with your email address.

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I'd be careful, man.  He's from England, where Drum and Bass is from!
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In a message dated 3/6/00 2:50:20 AM !!!First Boot!!!, Kidentropy@aol.com 
writes:

> on the basic level... you've got to tell yourself this... It doesn't 
>  matter... 

Hell, Huggie and Huggy seem to have been doing fine...

Hippie and Hipp-E (until one reportedly passed away)

Evol (Chicago) and Evol (Indy)

Yeah, name really doesn't matter so long as they have a
descriptive bullet to differentiate the DJs.  Plus, it's YOUR
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In a message dated 3/6/0 3:24:09 AM, kenya wrote:

<<You be the critic...

Visit our website http://www.distortedgrooves.com and 
let us know what you think about the new track "Release">>

ironic, "release" is also the dj name of my old friend kurt in
cleveland...who was also associated with dj sleepy c's "deep
records store" and psychoactive productions...

kind of like how this past weekend tri-quad threw "dedication"
which was also the name of a UPS party way back when @ the
eagle's next...coincidence?...i think not...some of the more 
significant events stay in our subconscious for a long time...
as long as the event was remembered as something positive
it's all good...no need for malicious anymosities...altho, when
it was discovered that there were two "dj jinx", a dj battle
was used to determine who got to keep the name...as a result,
one of the "jinx's" became "dj jason jinx"...

"the first insight is the insight of awakening, and focuses on
the mysterious coincidences that occur in each of our lives...
of course for centuries, we have been discounting such 
occurences as pure chance and thus without meaning...but as
we ponder the spiritual dimension of our existence, opening 
our minds, we begin to experience phenomena that cannot be
dismissed and pushed away..."

btw, kenya when you gonna bring ron jeremy back out for
another "shake it" porn party?

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man, you post too much shit
take a break brotha



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Steviet069@aol.com>

> 
> In a message dated 3/6/0 3:24:09 AM, kenya wrote:
> 
> <<You be the critic...
> 
> Visit our website http://www.distortedgrooves.com and 
> let us know what you think about the new track "Release">>
> 
> ironic, "release" is also the dj name of my old friend kurt in
> cleveland...who was also associated with dj sleepy c's "deep
> records store" and psychoactive productions...
> 
> kind of like how this past weekend tri-quad threw "dedication"
> which was also the name of a UPS party way back when @ the
> eagle's next...coincidence?...i think not...some of the more 
> significant events stay in our subconscious for a long time...
> as long as the event was remembered as something positive
> it's all good...no need for malicious anymosities...altho, when
> it was discovered that there were two "dj jinx", a dj battle
> was used to determine who got to keep the name...as a result,
> one of the "jinx's" became "dj jason jinx"...
> 
> "the first insight is the insight of awakening, and focuses on
> the mysterious coincidences that occur in each of our lives...
> of course for centuries, we have been discounting such 
> occurences as pure chance and thus without meaning...but as
> we ponder the spiritual dimension of our existence, opening 
> our minds, we begin to experience phenomena that cannot be
> dismissed and pushed away..."
> 
> btw, kenya when you gonna bring ron jeremy back out for
> another "shake it" porn party?
> 
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>
>btw, kenya when you gonna bring ron jeremy back out for
>another "shake it" porn party?
>

I thought that was Kimyon's party (JustUs).  All in all that was a very
good party :)


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k, last post for tonight i promise...

for serious jungle and drum & bass producers, my friend 
DJ Seneca in cleveland is starting a new lable...Protocal 
Records...and is currently accepting submissions...if you
are interested in getting signed & paid...you can reach him
at: Protocal@AnotherMethod.com...serious inquiries only
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In a message dated 3/6/0 5:18:36 AM, sluck wrote:

<<I thought that was Kimyon's party (JustUs).  All in all 
that was a very good party :)>>

dag, dats right...it was a justus/muvment party!

i have been on the computer too long today!

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    Baha, that stupid little fuck, I got the same response when I asked him
about it, 10 years my ass... if he'd been using the name for 10 years we'd
have heard about it, especially if his tracks "will fuck up any US D&B" Yeah
I'd love to see it. Seriously dude I'd be willing to bet the shit you've
made in fruity loops in your basement that's never left your house is better
than whatever this wanker's spinning. Did you go to his website? He calls
him self DJ SC-AM on there, so it sounds like he pronounces it by the
initials instead of the full word, so I doubt there will be any problem
anyway.

     - Matt Murphy -
     murph@mr.net
     ICQ # 4383740

> Apprently there is some other drum'n'bass DJ from London that uses
> the DJ name "Scam" (which I have been using for quite a while). I got the
> following letter from this guy today, and I'm not quite sure what to do.
> Anyone have any experience in dealing with people like this??? Is it even
> worth thinking about? I made a pretty exhaustive search to find any flyers
> or things this guy has played at, and came up with nothing... The guy
> sounds like he's about 16 too, which seriously makes me doubt his "10
> years" of using the DJ name... ahhhh whatever... read on =]



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	2000
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*********************APRIL 28******
******BEAT^FREQs presents******
*****************FACE DOWN******
*********************ASS UP!!******
***INDIANAPOLIS, INDIANA*****
**************************************

Featuring

TONY B!  (Underground Construction - LA)
Tony B! has been helping thepivotal UC 
abel define and re-define the hard house
sound for several years!  With a myriad of
releases on UC, he's managed to bang 
shit up correct on the Tech 12s across the
globe!  An Indy debut!!!

FANON FLOWERS (Mechanism - Detroit)
Having begun his own label, which has 
gained the respect of such techno peers
as James Pennington and T-1000, Fanon
Flowers is Detroit's best-kept secret!  Come 
witness the strength of pure BUMPIN' 
TECHNO!

DJ  TOKI (SoundinMotion - StLouis)
Ahhh... the sweet sounds of progression! 
>From harder progressive house to 
smoother progressive techno, DJ Toki
has been playing up near-legendary
StLouis clubs like CHEETAH and more
parties than you can shake a stick at!
Dry or lubricated, you'll love it just the same!
 
CHOCOLATE (The Freaky AfroNaut)
Who's your daddy?!  WHO'S YOUR DADDY?!?
Say it, trick!  Who's your daddy?!?  yeah, 
that's right....  Chocolate!

danDave (House of Babylon/SubWarped Rec)
In the still of the night, there came a whisper.
And from that whisper came a sound.  And 
from the sound came a pound!  And from 
that pound came some of the darkest most
menacing "don't-wanna-meet-him-in-a-dark-
alley" jungle you've EVER HEARD!

ADAM ABSTRAKT (Log2 Sound System DJs)
Now, to show the world that we can come 
correct, Adam Abstrakt will bang the decks
like a 14 yr old - fast, furious and often!  Come
see that Indiana knows hard house, too!  All
the ladies with booty, bounce!

BLAIR BROWN (House of Babylon - Indy)
That's right, sissies!  The real shiznit!!  You
know 'im -- You want 'im -- You love 'im!
It's those EyEs, I tell ya!  THOSE EYES!!!
And his rekkid bag chock full of the most
disco-infected, techno-grooved house you've
yet to hear!  Pure bliss, I tell ya!

JAEDE (SistaJade Entertainment - indy)
Awww... yeah....  What's that sound?  
Everybody look what's goin' 'round!  Jaede
will be coming back atcha' hard like a 
horny pony!  Ramming your head against 
the headboard, Jaede will be pounding 
it in ya' in the opening spot, starting the 
night off correct!

10-11   Jaede
11-12   Blair Brown
12-1        danDave
1-2.5   Tony B!
2.5-4   Fannon Flowers
4-5     Chocolate
5-6     Adam Abstrakt

$10 all nite
Doors open @ 9PM
Music starts @ 10PM

For more info, please contact BEAT*FREQs at:

BeatFreqs@aol.com

FACE DOWN
ASS UP!!!!

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Subject: [mw] THE PLEASURE DOME -- Indianapolis -- Sat March 18, 2000
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Sista' Jade Entertainment and the 
House of Babylon Broductions of 
Indianapolis combine efforts once 
more to bring you closer to higher
states of EUPHORIA:


THE PLEASURE DOME 
Saturday, March 18, 2000


Indianapolis Indiana 


You will be pleasured by the following talent:

***********ALERT!! ALERT!! ALERT!!*************
The PLEASURE DOME has now added to its al-
ready impressive line-up a surprise HEADLINING
DJ TALENT!!!  That's right, aside from the DJs
listed below, we've added a special over-seas
headlining DJ!!!  Who could it be???  Cari
Lekebusch??  DJ Lars???  Huggy??? Stefan
Manceau???  Guess you'll have to find out for
yourself, Saturday March 18th -- Indianapolis!!!!
********************************************************
The Allies, (Montreal, Quebec, Canada) 
A-TRAK  1997 World DMC Champion, 1999 Vestex Champion 
At the ripe age of 15, A-Track stunned the world as he 
became the 1997 World Mixing Champion.  Tonight, 
making his first Indy appearance.  A-Track is gonna rip 
it up, showing you the meaning of the words "turntablist" 
and "tricknologist"!  An inspiration to many aspiring to 
obtain his skill and proficiency, you will never look at 
Battle DJing the same way again!


Buzz - Fever (Washington, DC) 
SCOTT HENRY True progressive heads know this man!  
They worship this man!  Tonight, you'll see why, as he
tears down the walls with his techno-laced progressive 
beats!  Imagine bliss peppered with a dash of funk!
Scott hasn't played here in a long time, but we welcome 
him back with loving arms.  A truly pleasurable aural experience!


(611 Records - Philly) 
NIGEL RICHARDS The man responsible for one of the 
better-ran and managed record stores in US history returns 
after a long sympatico from Indy to bang it techno style.  
Incorporating some of today and tomorrow's best techno 
tracks and mixing it effortless with funky house.  It is unlikely 
you will leave the dance floor dry! Euphoria's home is right here!


(House of Styles, Pittsburg, PA) 
PRODUCT 19 Playing hard techno like nobody's mama!  
A special treat for all the good little boys and girls from 
the House of Styles crew in Pittsburg.  Product 19 has 
eclipsed many before him in his daring techno selections
and ability to program the dancefloor into a frenzy!


(House of Babylon (Indy)/The Pros(Chicago)Log 2 Sound System) 
CHOCOLATE THE FREAKY AFRO-NAUT The virgin surgeon himself.  
With tech-house records boys cream to and girls shake their titties for.  
Chocolate will not disapoint!  Not akin to multiple orgasms, but one
continuous orgasm for 90 minutes!!! DAAAYUHM!!!


(House of Babylon/The Pros/Subwarped Records) 
K-STEP Ahhh...... K-Step is making leaps and bounds in terms 
of his mixing skill and stlye!  He is wanted nation-wide, from
Detroit, Toronto, StLouis, Omaha, et al.  His orinigal track
CONCRETE TECHNIQUE has recently peeked the interest
of CANVAS RECORDINGS.  Tonight K-Step will 
open for A-Track, and show you and the world how we do it 
Nap-town style!  Represent!

(Subwarped/House of Babylon) 
danDAVE Now for those who like it darck and menacing, 
danDAVE is your man!  Quickly rising to the top of the Indy 
Junglist creme!


(House of Babylon) 
BLAIR BROWN From Chicago meet the latest H of B offering--
the talented Mr. Blair Brown.  His disco infected house grooves 
made a stunning (and suprise) impact on the Jan. 14th Burn @ 
the Hot Spot.  Tonight is his official release!  UNLEASHED!


Doors open at 9:00 p.m.   
Music starts at 10:00 p.m.


$20 before midnight $25 after midnight
For those attending the pre-party (PANTY RAiD)
the party will not exceed $20.

There will be a free massage set up from 1AM-3AM
for all you boys & girls who jack too hard!  

sound by: Log 2 
lights by: project 7


Guest list & Vending requests must be received by March 1.
Such requests must be e-mailed to either of the following 
addresses:

housebabylon@aol.com 
sistajade@email.com

No exceptions!  No walk-ups!
No service fee for vendors (but gifts are
always appreciated.)

In light of recent events, we will be strictly enforcing the following rules:

NO outside liquids, pagers, cellphones, recording devices of ANY kind,
crabs, mean people, thugs, bad attitudes, markers, weapons, glass or
GHB!  GHB DEALERS WILL BE ARRESTED ON SITE!   PERIOD!!!!!


ROAR in full effect  (Right of Admission Reserved)

Security will be tight but friendly.

HOUSE OF BABYLON  317-592-9236 
SISTA' JADE ENTERTAINMENT  317-704-1642

Also Dont' Forget 
PANTY RAiD (Pleasure Dome Pre-Party) - March 17th
Featuring DJ Deeon, Mazi, Frankie Vega, Shiva & More
SistaJade Entertainment  317 704 1642
House of Babylon   317 592 9236

MiCROCOSM version 1.0 - March 24th
Featuring OH! Donovan (AKA Sean Patrick), DJ Moda, Xian & More
DiscoDisciples d'Amour 317 713 7123
DiscoHotLine@aol.com

MiCROCOSM version 2.0 - April 14th
Featuring Tony B!, Adam Abstrakt, & More
DiscoDisciples d'Amour 317 713 7123
DiscoHotLine@aol.com

WET DREAMz (Pajama Jama Jam pt 2) - June 3rd
Featuring Christopher Lawrence, JazzE, DJ Moda, Dave Aude, Baby Anne & More
House of Babylon  317 592 9236
HouseBabylon@aol.com

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I am sure you all already know so don't bother
reading...but those of you who don't...planet x's site
is back up and it kicks my fucking ass =) Go and check
it out


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misha, you're so big and brave and strong!!!  *eye
flutter* siiiigh, that trance dj tsar is soooo dreamy.
=D
 

--- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'd do the following:
> 1. Ignore the stupid cunt
> 2. Reply back and tell him to fuck off
> 3. Reply back and tell him to fuck off, then proceed
> to ignore all his lame replies
> 4. #3 + copyright your name and sue the cunt
> 
> 
> That is all
> Misha
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I had a similar situation with my original record label name (Swerve)...
There was a local label who never released anything claiming that it was
theirs (after I already released an album). I researched it and discovered a
few record stores in the US, a DJ from Indianapolis, and a record label from
Australia were all using the same name. Because it was caught before the
label made much of a name for itself I decided to just change it to
something more original.

Something of interest is that most DJ's don't copyright/trademark their
names (because it's not cheap). In cases which are taken to court regarding
the usage of names, the deciding factor is popularity. If he uses the name
and becomes more popular than you, he would win the case (even if you were
using it longer). However, he would be forbidden to use that name in your
home town or any areas where you had a significant amount of publicity.

Basically it's not worth the hassle. I would let it slide if you are sure it
won't bite you in the ass later on. On the other hand, it might just be
easier to change your name to something completely original. Just don't let
this chum bully you around with all talk and now show. Do a little research.

Best of luck.

- Radianation
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What follows is a quote from the British DJ Scam's website. Apparently he
lied about having his name established for well over 10 years. Earlier it
states he has followed D&B for about 10 years (back when it was known as
hardcore, blah blah blah... Duh).. Anyhow, I find that a little research
almost always uncovers the BS and solves a problem before it can become one.

- Radianation


"Currently I have been producing mainly Drum&Bass tracks. I have just
started and am not going stop...ever!

The tunes on the tracks page are my first. Most of them contain the
"Amen-Break". This is because I love it so much, and in my opinion, it is
the ruffest, tuffest break known to man! There is no other electronic drum
beat that comes close to its complexity and diversity. The tracks that I
have produced so far containing this sacred break, are a tribute to its
greatness." - DJ Scam (British version)




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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 13:18:11 2000
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hate to tell him there is already a protocol recordings.  pretty serious 
label too.

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Yup..it was. Lotsa of driving and senslessness

Me and my buddy, Kelly drove all over Illinois. Had big fun at NIU and 
Kelly's old stompin' ground , ISU and even went to my old stompin' grounds 
over at Millikin U in the wonderful town of Decatur IL. Hell...we even went 
to U of I in Chambanana for the last leg of our "college tour". We met some 
realyl swell people and what not. The Gallery at ISU was dope...especially 
when we witnessed the celling buckling because of all the kids on the second 
floor. Yes boys and girls...it was a good weekend for me. 

Thanks to all those who made it a fun weekend...you know who you are!!!

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Hello all,
   Well we at Lil' Diva Productions are excited to be starting up what
will be a great series of small, but fun club nights! To kick off these
parties we are bringing you a 100% all jungle/D-n-B party! So all you
"Bass Heads" come to a night phat ass music! Note:There is also a rumor
that some of the DJ's and thier friends are going to get into the whole
Jungle theme and sport the Camoflage threads, so if you want to join the
fun come dressed ready for action(there is no diference in price of
entrance!)
			PROJECT: JUNGLE WARFARE
March 31st @ The Electronic Groove Box- $11- doors oepn at 10pm
18 & up- 21 to drink(ID required) Info:Lil' Diva(615)400-3815 Groove Box
(615)201-2423!
ROOM 1				ROOM 2
10pm-12am   B-PLUS & MENACE  	10pm-12am  Havok
12am-1:30am BLONDIE ETCETERA	12am-2am   LARY BREAKS
1:30am-3am  BOBBLE		2am-3am    MISS K
3am-4:30am  GRAHAM		3am-4:30am FLIP C
4:30am-6am  DORIAN		4:30am-6am MK2
DIRECTIONS: From all points North, East, & West come into Nashville and
get on I65 South. Take exit 89(Wedgewood Ave.) Turn right. Turn left at
first traffic light! The club is approx. 1 mile on the right next to
Captain D's. From the South take I65 North. Get off at exit 89(Wedgewood
Ave.) Turn left. At traffic light turn left. The club is approx. 1 mile
on the right next to Captain D's!

Also soon to be coming "Divas of the Dance Floor 2" & "Supafly 2000"
Thanx,
Jayson
Lil' Diva Productions

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My cat's breath smells like cat food.

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>My cat's breath smells like cat food.

*gasp*  both of my cats have stinky cat food breath too...

*looks at her cats warily*

I think they know....


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 16:32:58 2000
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Yea, this guy seriously brought a little too much attitude to be taken
seriously, I'd say. 

But on a related note, chrise and I found a label out of like Iowa called
"Skam."  Yes, they even spelled it the same way that Skam spells it.  And
they release the same style of music that Skam does.  People are funny.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 18:06:56 2000
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Yeah, I actually had this problem about 2 years ago, but luckily it was f=
rom
within the united states.  I mean there is no  handbook or registry telli=
ng
you if your name is already in use, so how could you know dj scam was alr=
eady
in use.  I think the bloke was really rude in his explaination to you as =
to
why you should drop your scam tag.  Drum n Bass were LOndon was born, you=

Yanks...uh if you want someone to see your point i would think that =

Politeness would be called upon.  I say you ignore him and copyright your=

name.  Me myself, I just changed my name, because the guy was really cool=

about it and everyone knew him as being a kick ass dj...i wanted to chang=
e my
name anyways and so I did....Facade...i don't think anyone has that or do=
 they
*shrug*

Fuego!!!

flame on!



Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'd do the following:
1. Ignore the stupid cunt
2. Reply back and tell him to fuck off
3. Reply back and tell him to fuck off, then proceed
to ignore all his lame replies
4. #3 + copyright your name and sue the cunt


That is all
Misha

--- Brandon Ivers <sluggo@visi.com> wrote:
> Apprently there is some other drum'n'bass DJ from
> London that uses
> the DJ name "Scam" (which I have been using for
> quite a while). I got the
> following letter from this guy today, and I'm not
> quite sure what to do.
> Anyone have any experience in dealing with people
> like this??? Is it even
> worth thinking about? I made a pretty exhaustive
> search to find any flyers
> or things this guy has played at, and came up with
> nothing... The guy
> sounds like he's about 16 too, which seriously makes
> me doubt his "10
> years" of using the DJ name... ahhhh whatever...
> read on =3D]
> =

> Brandon
> =

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:59:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: Dj Scam <scamskypro@yahoo.com>
> To: Brandon Ivers <sluggo@visi.com>
> Subject: Common courtesy you say? =

> =

> Brandon,
>         I have some news for you mate. I have been
> using the Dj Scam name for over 10 years and am from
> London, where Drum and Bass is from!
> =

>  I have been producing and listening to Drum and
> Bass
> before any of you Yanks.
> =

> D.J.S.C.A.M. are also the initials of my real names
> so
> I think I have more right to the name than you.
> =

> Also we are not the only people who use this name so
> I
> wouldn't get too stressed over it, if I was you.
> =

> Lets see who gets more known and then we can let the
> public decide who deserves the "Dj Scam" tag!
> =

> I warn you though, my tracks will fuck up any US
> D&B,
> because I know this music inside out!
> =

> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> DJ SCAM
> =

> SKYLON PRODUCTIONS: www.skylon-pro.com
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Tuesday night, March 7, and every Tuesday night is Eternal Beats
Internet Radio live from Long Island, New York USA.  Go to
www.eternalbeats.cjb.net Click on live broadcast and join the DJs and
the listeners in the chat room.

My AOL Instant Messenger name is DJ Lord V
You can Instant Message me any time during the broadcast.

March 7, 2000

10PM till 11:00PM
Lord V (Eternal Beats NY)
breaks, electro, house, big beat

11:00PM till 1AM
Johnny Hardcore (Hardcore Power Force/NYWO/Brooklyn NY)
Gabber/Hardcore

Coming up March 14
DJ B (www.outallnite.com NJ)
Drum & Bass/Jungle

Guests DJs coming soon:
Odi,Vicious Vic, Delirium & many more. 

Thanks goes out to all the listeners & the DJs who spin on the show. 
The new Lord V demo is out.  Any promoters that would like to hear it,
just leave me your address and i'll send it out to you.  If you are a DJ
interested in spinning on the show, e-mail me your contact information. 
If you want promotional support for your partys,bookings for any of the
DJs heard on the show, e-mail me your contact info.

Lord V
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Please mark your calendars.

DESTRUCTION THREE
814 W. Clark St.
Urbana, IL 61801
$2
May 6th

Live Acts:

Htek          Madison      hard acid
Dasein        Urbana       gabber/idm/noisybreaks
Matt Demmon   Urbana       minimal noise
Atomly        Minneapolis  ??

DJs:

Anonymous     Madison      hardcore/jungle
Brad Kraft    Minneapolis  ??
Asscore 2000  Kansas City  booty haus
&
DJ CorpseGrinder feat. MC BloodSpillah on the clubmixed speedcore

more info
The Sunshine Ministry
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 20:06:13 2000
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Please remember that every time you put something as an attachment to the 
list.. it is hard for those people receiving mailings in 'journal' format.

Just a note.  Thanks

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 21:22:16 2000
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I have audio that i want to burn to cd that is all mixed but the 
tracks are seperate.  Does anyone know how to make it so all 
the tracks blend together.  Or any software that will do it.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 21:35:09 2000
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If you're using Easy CD Creator, there's an option
called Disk-at-once which burns all the tracks onto
the cd and eliminates the 2 second gap between tracks.
 I'm also in the middle of mastering a CD and and I
split the tracks up the same way u did it, and for
some reason when i make the cd, i'm loosing like 6
seconds and what's happenin is when i play the cd back
and when the tracks change, the beats kickin in too
soon.  If anyone knows how to fix this problem, please
e-mail me with the solution.  To answer your question,
The Disk-at-Once option is how to eliminate the gaps
between tracks.  I hope this helps you out.  If anyone
can help me with my cd recording issue, please do. 
Don't forget to check out Eternal Beats Internet Radio
Every Tuesday night from 10PM-1AM Eastern Time at
www.eternalbeats.cjb.net  I'm resident DJ, i spin
breakbeats and have guests of all styles of electronic
music.  Be safe.

Lord V
www.eternalbeats.net
E-Mail djlordv@aol.com

--- "mike @ full spectrum" <djgruve@home.net> wrote:
> I have audio that i want to burn to cd that is all
> mixed but the 
> tracks are seperate.  Does anyone know how to make
> it so all 
> the tracks blend together.  Or any software that
> will do it.
> 
> Thanks-
> Mike
> 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 21:44:28 2000
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You can set the pause between tracks to 0 seconds.  If you happen to be
using Toast 3.x or greater double click on the properties and it should
bring up a list of all the tracks, the pause between tracks is listed
next to each track.  You can manually set the pause on each track or set
them all at once, the only requirement is that  you have a 2 second
pause before the first track.

- Goose

"mike @ full spectrum" wrote:

> I have audio that i want to burn to cd that is all mixed but the
> tracks are seperate.  Does anyone know how to make it so all
> the tracks blend together.  Or any software that will do it.
>
> Thanks-
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 21:51:50 2000
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> Atomly        Minneapolis  ??
featuring MC drunk ass Gotti!
damn it!!!
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 22:46:05 2000
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Hey everybody...does anyone have information on NEXO
loudspeakers? I would like to find out more about
them. I have been looking all over for the info, but
so far have only found their website. If you guys have
any more information, please forward it on to me.

Thanks!
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 23:05:03 2000
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i haven't even heard of them, so they suck


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mikhail Khaimov" <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 4:45 PM
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> Hey everybody...does anyone have information on NEXO
> loudspeakers? I would like to find out more about
> them. I have been looking all over for the info, but
> so far have only found their website. If you guys have
> any more information, please forward it on to me.
> 
> Thanks!
> Misha
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 23:06:59 2000
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thanks to everyone for giving me such good advice! I followed exactly what
you all said and I think I formed a pretty persuasive argument! Read what I
sent him below, and I think you'll agree.

again thanks to everyone on this list... it's just as much all of YOU that
wrote this letter as it was I.

Brandon

-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Ivers a.k.a. DJ SCAM IN THE UNITED STATEZ BITCH
[sluggo@visi.com]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:57 AM
To: The FAKE DJ SCAM [mailto:d.camassa@freenet.co.uk]
Subject: [dnb] Re: The UK Rave Flyer artist : PEZ

Dear Piece of Shit,

I'm a fucking killer. I'm gonna fucking kill you. Watch your back, son,
cause I come from the United States, where theres as many GUNZ as there are
bad teeth back where you come from. The British may have come up with
drum'n'bass, but back in the U.S. we came up with Smith and Wesson.

p.s. don't sleep to hard holmes, never know when one of my thuggz might be
around

Glockery in the '00,
Brandon Ivers
the REAL DJ Scam (not the fake ass British one)
USA


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 06 23:10:36 2000
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I feel funny repsonding to StevieT post, but... 

This saturday I was in Columbus, OH.  My first party in Ohio.
(Dedication)

It rocked.  I think a trend needs to be started with what we did there.

Yes, you can worship your water bottle, but what if you look away and
somebody kicks it or takes it... Well, I have the solution.

Get a glow stick.  (preferably smaller) and plop it into your bottle.
Your bottle will glow the color of your glowstick and you will always
know where your water is!  (and if you were lucky like me you will get
compliments on how funky fresh your bottle of water is.)

:) That's all I have for right now.  Detroit is a callin'.  If anyone
knows of anything goin on in Michigan over the next couple days, hit me
back.  I'd love to go out one of these nights. (I'll be between Detroit,
Lansing, and Grand Rapids)

Love,
  Nick

On Sat, 4 Mar 2000 Steviet069@aol.com wrote:

> funny, me & some of my old candy ravah type friends 
> way back when used to do "the water bottle" dance...
> 
> it started as a joke...one day one of my friends put her
> water bottle on the dance floor...first we started bowing
> down to it as if it was mecca (cuz every ravah knows how
> important water is to a rollin ravah)...then each of us took
> turns dancing around it like circle dancers...i did switch kicks 
> around it...four corners around it...flares around it...and after
> each of us had did their personal dance around the "holy 
> water bottle"...we all started marching in this crazy tribal 
> dance around it clockwise chanting & yelping "ooooh ooooh holy
> watah watah....oooh oooh holy watah watah"...
> 
> freaky thing is, often after we did it, we'd come out of the
> party and it would be raining outside!!...
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"You cannot hold a torch to light another's path without brightening your
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uh...Brandon.  That wasn't what i had in mind.  But I guess that would wo=
rk
*shrug*  But I wouldn't even stooped to his level.  He's just crazy as he=
ll. =

But I guess you took car of that (a little violent)?  =




Peace n Blessin's

Fuegooooo!




"Brandon Ivers" <sluggo@visi.com> wrote:
thanks to everyone for giving me such good advice! I followed exactly wha=
t
you all said and I think I formed a pretty persuasive argument! Read what=
 I
sent him below, and I think you'll agree.

again thanks to everyone on this list... it's just as much all of YOU tha=
t
wrote this letter as it was I.

Brandon

-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Ivers a.k.a. DJ SCAM IN THE UNITED STATEZ BITCH
[sluggo@visi.com]
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:57 AM
To: The FAKE DJ SCAM [mailto:d.camassa@freenet.co.uk]
Subject: [dnb] Re: The UK Rave Flyer artist : PEZ

Dear Piece of Shit,

I'm a fucking killer. I'm gonna fucking kill you. Watch your back, son,
cause I come from the United States, where theres as many GUNZ as there a=
re
bad teeth back where you come from. The British may have come up with
drum'n'bass, but back in the U.S. we came up with Smith and Wesson.

p.s. don't sleep to hard holmes, never know when one of my thuggz might b=
e
around

Glockery in the '00,
Brandon Ivers
the REAL DJ Scam (not the fake ass British one)
USA


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I feel that.... :)




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and i'll bet you looked just as idiotic as it sounds here.


> > it started as a joke...one day one of my friends put her
> > water bottle on the dance floor...first we started bowing
> > down to it as if it was mecca (cuz every ravah knows how
> > important water is to a rollin ravah)...then each of us took
> > turns dancing around it like circle dancers...i did switch kicks 
> > around it...four corners around it...flares around it...and after
> > each of us had did their personal dance around the "holy 
> > water bottle"...we all started marching in this crazy tribal 
> > dance around it clockwise chanting & yelping "ooooh ooooh holy
> > watah watah....oooh oooh holy watah watah"...






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> > it started as a joke...one day one of my friends put her
> > water bottle on the dance floor...first we started bowing
> > down to it as if it was mecca (cuz every ravah knows how
> > important water is to a rollin ravah)...then each of us took
> > turns dancing around it like circle dancers...i did switch kicks 
> > around it...four corners around it...flares around it...and after
> > each of us had did their personal dance around the "holy 
> > water bottle"...we all started marching in this crazy tribal 
> > dance around it clockwise chanting & yelping "ooooh ooooh holy
> > watah watah....oooh oooh holy watah watah"...

I can honestly say I feel less intelligent after reading that.  I didn't know 
you people exsisted.

Casey

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> uh...Brandon.  That wasn't what i had in mind.  But I guess that would work
> *shrug*  But I wouldn't even stooped to his level.  He's just crazy as hell. 
> But I guess you took car of that (a little violent)?  

It was a joke =D. I did NOT send that to him, I was just making light of
the situation a bit =]. I guess my sarcasm has been lost via email once
again =P 

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um, i'm a teenage girl, and i'll bet if i ever met you, i wouldn't be 
attracted to you. yep.


sarah.

<< i can't help it if teenage girls are attracted to me, especially
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Which is your favorite Teletubbie:

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People come to you when troubled because you always make them feel
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AkaPlastikman sed:
<<> > water bottle"...we all started marching in this crazy tribal 
> > dance around it clockwise chanting & yelping "ooooh ooooh holy
> > watah watah....oooh oooh holy watah watah"...

I can honestly say I feel less intelligent after reading that.  I didn't know
you people exsisted.

Casey>>

yes, we do...except we are very underground...we are the
same dancers who you always see just out of the corner 
of your eyes...flowing rhythmically to the beat...but
as soon as you look, we stop...it's a spiritual thing
..passed on only to the chosen few...


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heh, well you know how email is.  I mis interpret all the time.  Oh Well,=
 i
had a feeling you didn't really send that but if you had...cool.


peace n blessin's

Fuego..


Brandon Ivers <sluggo@visi.com> wrote:
> uh...Brandon.  That wasn't what i had in mind.  But I guess that would =
work
> *shrug*  But I wouldn't even stooped to his level.  He's just crazy as =
hell.

> But I guess you took car of that (a little violent)?  =


It was a joke =3DD. I did NOT send that to him, I was just making light o=
f
the situation a bit =3D]. I guess my sarcasm has been lost via email once=

again =3DP =


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kidentrophy wrote:
<<hate to tell him there is already a protocol recordings.  pretty serious 
label too.

entro>>

lol, is this some kind of dj scam?

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glowstickchika wrote:
<<um, i'm a teenage girl, and i'll bet if i ever met you, i wouldn't be 
attracted to you. yep.


sarah.>>

i dunno...send a pic...mebbe yur not my type either...
altho i used to be pretty smooth with the glowsticks
back in da day...don't use em anymore...


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this is my non-technological side shining through.

i want to transfer my mp3's to a casette tape..... how can i do that... is 
there something i can do to hook up my stereo or really anything to my 
computer... 

anyone?

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In a message dated 06/03/00 8:05:54 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
grant@techgallery.com writes:

<< Which is your favorite Teletubbie:
  >>


Im sorry, but I can not read any further then this.

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> as soon as you look, we stop...it's a spiritual thing
> ..passed on only to the chosen few...

are you sure it's not a "oh someone's looking i'd better stop cause i look
like an ass doing that" thing?


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> i want to transfer my mp3's to a casette tape..... how can i do that... is
> there something i can do to hook up my stereo or really anything to my
> computer...

Take your tape deck and plug it in near your computer.  Now check all
over the thing for something called "auxillary in" or something like
that that does the same thing.  Usually your computer will have a 1/8"
stereo plug for the output, and usually the auxillary in on your tape
deck will have two RCA cord inputs ( i think that's what they're called,
if not i'm sure someone on the list will correct me ) one should be red
one should be white.  Take a y-cord (one that will connect these types
of plugs, come with portable cd players many times, or you can buy one
for cheap at radio shack) and connect your computer with the tape deck. 
play your mp3s, and make sure that the volume coming through the tape
deck is about right for how it normally sounds when you play tapes and
hit the record button.  If you don't have an auxillary in then you're
not completely fucked cuz you can still record your mp3s onto a tape if
you have a dual cassette deck that will dub from one tape to another. 
in this case you should go to radio shack and get a cord w/ two 1/8"
stereo plugs (one on each end!) and get a little plug that will connect
two 1/8" stereo plugs.  (hint, if the 1/8" stereo plugs were a penis,
this thing would be a double sided vagina)  then go to best buy or maybe
even radio shack has em and get a cord that goes from a 1/8" stereo plug
to a tape (as in one that you'd use to connect a portable cd player to a
car tape deck) and stick this in the cassette thing on your duck that
will be playing, and on the other cassette thingy put in a blank
cassette.  then hit dub and play your mp3s.  keeep in mind that you
should make sure that the volume on your computer is set about right to
make this all work, or else it will sound fucked up when you try and
play the tape w/ the mp3s on it back (ie too loud which will make
everything sound like it's breaking up or too quiet where you barely
hear the shit louder than the tape hiss)

Hope this helps, and if it doesn't fuck if i know

-- 
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Nick Hadaway wrote:

> :) That's all I have for right now.  Detroit is a callin'.  If anyone
> knows of anything goin on in Michigan over the next couple days, hit me
> back.  I'd love to go out one of these nights. (I'll be between Detroit,
> Lansing, and Grand Rapids)

Ann Arbor is about a half hour - fourty five minutes west of Detroit... rave
on

on friday, march 10, state:awake in association with michigan league
programming proudly brings you:

*KID ENTROPY (vs. KEVIN CUNNINGHAM?)   [jungle - chicago, il]
*ZUPERMAN vs. RONIN   [jungle - detroit/ann arbor, mi]
*DJ SLY   [jungle (you seeing a trend here?) - ann arbor, mi]
*VIPAT   [jungle - ann arbor, mi]

price: one smile and two shaking buttcheeks.  and we've got free water,
       punch, and snacks to boot.

location: the michigan league underground, 911 north university, ann arbor

duration: 9pm-1am  (so get there early!)

maps, directions, and general info can be found at
http://state.awake.freeservers.com

questions/comments/greeting cards always welcome at state.awake@umich.edu.


please keep in mind that this event is held on university property, so
don't plan to act like a dumbass, and leave any substances that a
university wouldn't approve of at home.  do come and shake dat ass and
support the sorely underrepresented detroit junglist massif.


and, if you don't feel like going home or to detroit afterwards, there
will be a free afterparty (house party style) featuring more of ann
arbor's finest.


sleep is for the weak.
state:awake.





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i think it's the latter!!  ;)


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In a message dated 3/7/0 2:29:16 AM, dpayer wrote:

<<are you sure it's not a "oh someone's looking i'd better 
stop cause i look like an ass doing that" thing?>>

ugh...well now y'know why all the dancers have left...



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speed garage track:

dj booths album: this is garage

"no i dont wanna be alone no more"  repeats several times

peace-
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sorry... =)
same album-

spoken male vocals-
"this is my church.  this is where i heal my hurts."

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Storm Fuego <fuddyduddyjudge@usa.net> wrote:

>I say you ignore him and copyright your name

I'm under the impression that names can be trademarked, but not
copyrighted. I'd do a little research and find out more, but I'm too sleepy
right now. :-)

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> spoken male vocals-
> "this is my church.  this is where i heal my hurts."

"God is a DJ" by Faithless. Available on Cheeky (UK) and Arista (US).

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I know this has been ask probably 1000 times already, but who does that
"Sandwhiches" song?


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The detroit grand pubahs.


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> I know this has been ask probably 1000 times already, but who does that
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>From: "Christina O'Brien" <sweetbizkit@hotmail.com>
>To: sequin_prism@hotmail.com
>Subject: Fwd: this is cool
>Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 01:06:14 CST
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>>To: sweetbizkit@hotmail.com, mcprecision@yahoo.com
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>>Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:55:56 CST
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>>>From: Joshua Kantola <kantolaj@swbell.net>
>>>To: jf102@daimlerchrysler.com, caleb@springnet1.com, dgroyal@excite.com, 
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>>>Subject: this is cool
>>>Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 18:01:34 -0600
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>>>http://spacekids.hq.nasa.gov/2001/nameform.cfm
>>>submit your name and it will be put on a cd-rom sent to mars in 2001 on a 
>>>nasa land rover thingy!  woohoo!
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<<<submit your name and it will be put on a cd-rom sent to mars in 2001 on a 
nasa land rover thingy!  woohoo!>>>

I wonder what a martian would do if he found a cd rom full of 
names....perhaps visit each and every one of them and kill them!!!!!  No way 
I'm putting my name on that list.  The last thing I want is some crazy 
martian hunting me down.  Well I guess that would be a little paranoid of me 
wouldn't it =).  

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anyone who likes to play sims, I urge you to find a copy of The Sims (don't 
pay, godforbid... :)  its a regular sim, but the point is to make your guy 
live a successful life... you have to get him a job, make him eat, shit, 
sleep, have fun, have friends, etc... the whole 9 yards... its addictive as 
fuck... :)yeah, its not rave related, but i've been compulsively playing it 
for damn near 2 weeks now. :)

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...and we can make 3-flavor tofu with a side of spring rolls and papaya salad.


Haha. Next.



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I've been watching my roomies play it for weeks.. "look man, I just fed my fish!" Uhh yeh that's
great.. "Check out my house!" Yeh that's swell, you're surrounded by pizza boxes and empty
Coca-Cola 2-liters.. "Ooh my Sim got a date" Right and you haven't been anywhere farther than the
corner store for cigs in days.. 

Wow, it's almost like having a real life!  Heheh.. I admit it's a pretty funny game, just kind of
disturbing in a way. 

It's spring. Go fly a kite or something. ;]




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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 14:36:16 2000
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heh... I bought that game...

I have subsequently downloaded a bunch of odd 'Skins' for the people in my game... whereas you can change the facial features and clothes of the people in your neighborhood.

I created a family of Mexican wrestlers complete with masks who occupy a two flat with an aging mr. sulu.

nonetheless... ruff businezz.

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On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg reported that
if the
Supreme Court supports Congress to cut the budget of
the National
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This
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If NEA is lost or weakened, our lives will be
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In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce
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Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal
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Please add your name to this list and forward it to
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44. Mary Frances Rimpini, Kent, WA
45. Mary Frances Stevens, Kirkland, WA
46. Linda Grebmeier, Benicia, CA
47. Lee Altman, Benicia, CA
48. Jeffrey Gray, South Orange, NJ
49. Ed Jones, Orange, NJ
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51. Jenifer Goetz, State College, PA
52. Arnold R. Post, Carrboro, NC
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54. Robert A. Post, Cape May, NJ
55. Evelyn M. Post, Cape May, NJ
56. Jay A. Sklaroff, Philadelphia, PA
57. Harry M. Sklaroff, Washington, DC
58. Susan E. Salmons, Washington, DC
59. Dori Langevin, Silver Spring, MD
60. Ted Langevin, Silver Spring, MD
61. David Mercier, Easton, MD
62. Phoebe Harding, Baltimore, MD
63. Molly Rath, Baltimore, MD
64. Terry O'Hara, Baltimore, MD
65. Nina Wendt, Baltimore, MD
66. Marilyn Clark, Baltimore, MD
67. Cathy McKinney, Boone, NC
68. Harold McKinney, Boone, NC
69. Milena Garcia, Columbia, MD
70. Timothy Morrison, Devore, CA
71. Virginia S. Kallay Cleveland, OH
72. Nancy Cleaveland, Atlanta, GA
73. Cindy Lutenbacher, Decatur, GA
74. Kaye Norton, Columbus, OH
75. Elaine Haidt, Chapel Hill, NC
76. Harold Haidt, Chapel Hill, NC
76. Frank Church, Chapel Hill, NC
77. Astrid R. Jarzembowski, Garrison, NY
78. David Church, Garrison, NY
79. Cathy Dillon, Old Greenwich, CT
80. Michelle Woodward, Town of Mt. Pleasant, NY
81. Catherine L. Josset, Brewster, NY
82. Bill Philbrick, Crompond, NY
83. Emile Menasch=3DBB, Mahopac, NY
84. Amy Menasch=3DBB, Mahopac, NY
85. Bette-Jane Crigger, Peekskill, NY
86. Miriam Piven Cotler
87. Cyndi Menegaz, Los Angeles, CA
88. Linda Zale, Los Angeles, CA
89. Phillip Kudelka, Woodland Hills California
90. Karl Schoenbaum, Woodland Hills California
91. Jennifer Bramscher, Malibu, CA
92. Mindy Markman, Los Angeles, CA
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94. Robert A. Misiorowski, Los Angeles, CA
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96. Andrea McShane, Los Angeles, CA
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100. Brad Harris, Kansas City, MO
101. Ken Krusi, Silverdale, WA.
102. Rus Shuler, Fort Mill, SC
103. Stacy Hammond, Fort Mill, SC
104. Sandy Whitaker, Charlotte, NCr10. Phillip D.
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237. Pam Whitworth, Fairfield, Iowa
238. G. Douglas Gaddy, Lafayette, CO
239. Annie Evans Gaddy, Lafayette, CO
240. Kathi Butler
241. Robert Auge', Knoxville, TN
242. Joel Keebler, Hickory, NC
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244. Meredith Bradford-Clebsch, Greenback, TN
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260. Mark Heng, Boston, MA
261. Giovani Hoyos-Corrales, Cambridge, MA
262. Iris Halpern, Cambridge, MA
263. Madelyn Medeiros, Medford, MA
264. Lou Cabral, San Diego, CA
265. Dawn Johnson, Worcester, MA
266. Christopher Johnson, Fremont, CA
267.  Mary Mantilla, NY
268.  Oswald Mantilla,NY
269.  Karen Butterfield, Mahopac, NY
270.  Richard Rhoda, US Citizen, Ajijic, Jalisco,
MEXICO
271.  Valerie H. Rhoda, US Citizen, Ajijic, Jalisco,
MEXICO
272.  Judith V. Lamb, Tamarac, FL
273.  Michael E. Gerner, Flagstaff, AZ
274.  Christina H. Harter, Dade City, FL
275.  Marty Menane, Dade City, FL
276.  Maryanna Bell, Mill Valley, CA
277.  Mary Stallings, San Francisco, CA
278.  Melissa Nasseri, San Francisco, CA
279.  Brian Nasseri, San Francisco, CA
280.  Andrew Nelson, San Francisco, CA

281.  Brian P. Lee, San Francisco, CA

282.  Ratna Tandavan, San Francisco, CA
283.  Gail K. Schadt, Asheville, NC
284.  Chad Mossholder, Kent, OH


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 14:49:50 2000
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I'm starting to want to be a republican.  :)

http://www.theonion.com/onion3607/banned_books.html

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 15:17:57 2000
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 Saturday, March 11th--Chicago 

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Selling an Alesis ADAT XT (like new, under 10 hours use. never left studio)
Updated Silver Model, not the old black one.
Includes original box, manuals, and cables (+ the remote control) $1000 or
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Digital Audio Labs CardD (excellent condition).
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 16:03:06 2000
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Does anyone else see the Irony in banninf 451?


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>Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 09:49:16 EST
>
>I'm starting to want to be a republican.  :)
>
>http://www.theonion.com/onion3607/banned_books.html
>
>Jim
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 16:17:29 2000
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Good, cut that shit.  The government shouldn't be
funding "the arts" anyway.

And PBS...come on...$1.12 per person in the US.  Let's
see, if we assume there are only 300 million people in
the US (this is low, I know) then that's 336 million
dollars ($336,000,000!!!)...and for what?  Red Green? 
Seseme Street?  Antiques Roadshow?  Reruns of Mr.
Rodgers and Red Dwarf?  Gimme a break.

Cut the fat out of government.

--Will

--- Twine sound <twine_sound@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg reported
> that
> if the
> Supreme Court supports Congress to cut the budget of
> the National
> Endowment of the Arts, it is in effect the end of
> NEA.
> This
> situation creates great concerns about Congressional
> funding for
> creative arts in America, since NEA provides major
> support for
> NPR (National Public Radio), PBS  (Public
> Broadcasting
> System),
> and numerous other creative and performing arts.
> 
> If NEA is lost or weakened, our lives will be
> similarly
> diminished.
> 
> In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce
> spending costs
> and streamline their services, some government
> officials believe
> that the funding currently going to these programs
> is
> too large a
> portion of funding for something which is seen as
> not
> worthwhile.
> 
> Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS
> equal
> $1.12 per
> person per year, and the National Endowment for the
> Arts equals
> $.64 a year. A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup
> poll
> indicated
> that 76% of Americans wish to keep funding for PBS,
> third only to
> national defense and law enforcement as the most
> valuable
> programs for federal funding.
> 
> Please add your name to this list and forward it to
> friends who
> you believe are in favor of what this stands for.
> The
> full list
> will be forwarded to the President of the United
> States, the Vice
> President, and the Speaker of the House, whose
> office
> has in the
> past been the instigator of the action to cut
> funding
> to these
> worthwhile programs.
> 
> This petition is being passed around the Internet.
> Please add
> your  name to it so that funding can be maintained
> for
> the NEA,
> NPR, and PBS.
> 
> THIS IS OUR CHANCE TO MAKE INTERNET TECHNOLOGY WORK
> AS
> A VOICE IN
> OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. IT'S EASIER THAN EVER TO MAKE
> OUR VOICES
> HEARD.
> 
> Please keep the petition rolling. Do not reply to
> me.
> Sign your
> name and locale to the list and forward it to others
> to sign. If
> you prefer not to, please send the list to the email
> address given
> below. This is being forwarded to numerous people at
> once to add
> their names to the petition.
> 
> It won't matter if many people receive the same
> list,
> as the
> names are being managed. This is for anyone who
> thinks
> NPR and PBS
> deserve $1.12/year of their taxes. If you sign,
> please
> forward the
> list to others. If not, please don't kill it.

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 Yeah, screw trying to educate kids! We need more bombs! 


 Man.. What are you talking about? 


      
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 17:02:42 2000
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This should make things clearer:

http://www.arusa.com/tmpls/sect1.htm

I'm not sure exactly what the NEA would fall under, but I'm guessing "Other". 





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You're putting words in my mouth.  I never said more
we need more money on military spending.

What I DID say is that the government shouldn't be
funding "the arts."

The NEA and the Department of Education get separate
budgets so the kids won't get any less education if
the NEA gets cut.

Does anyone else find it odd that each year for the
last 10-15, more money is spent on education, more
tests are dumbed down, and yet more kids are failing? 
It speaks volumes about the need for education reform
in this country.

Anyway, back on subject.  Why should every taxpayer in
this country have to pay for what a few people deem
art?  I certainly don't feel obligated to pay for a
showing of cross-sectioned livestock and religious
pictures smeared with manure.

Let the private sector pay for art.

--Will

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> bombs! 
> 
> 
>  Man.. What are you talking about? 
> 
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>From: "Craig Spree" <xotis@hotmail.com>
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i remember also seeing something one channel about how the NEA was trying
to also cut funding for music education in schools. baaaaaaaaaaaaad idea.
that's taking an integral part of a child's life out of the picture. screw
cutting "the fat out of government".  PBS is a hell of a lot better than
all the other shite on tv. (save the discovery channel, history channel
and cartoon network <heehee>) public funding for the arts always comes
into question when there is a controversial exhibit somewhere that people
always wonder "are we paying for this?" i think that probably a lot of
what spawned this is the whole argument that we as taxpayers were paying
for some exhibit in new york city that mayor guiliani disliked cuz it was
piles of elephant shit or something like that. i mean whatever. it's all a
question of what people consider "art". i mean i don't agree that some
people should get funding for painting stick people on coffee cups or
whatever cuz they are too crazy to do anything else. make em go to
hardees and get a job. cuz i too could be an artist in that case and god
knows i can't even draw stick people. hell i don't like to "work". 

but some people legitimately deserve to be funded. there are some people
out there who create some amazing pieces. stuff that stands out. and those
people shouldn't have to be "starving artists".  but the thing is, that
most of them will be until they are dead. sad but true. art trends pass by
as fast as musical trends a lot of the time and some talented individuals
get lost in the mix. that's why i would never go to just straight up art
school. but that's not my passion so i shouldn't really say much about it. 

but the thing that really gets me is the whole music education thing. if
they cut that, then i'm sure that art classes will be next. how will
children ever discover that they have a love for something if they never
get a chance to explore in that area?  public schools just keep getting
shittier and shittier every year because some stupid people in washington
think they can cut corners on everything but their own salary. and that's
really fucking sad.

lates.
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> Does anyone else find it odd that each year for the
> last 10-15, more money is spent on education, more
> tests are dumbed down, and yet more kids are failing? 
> It speaks volumes about the need for education reform
> in this country.
> 

maybe it's not the fact that they put money into schools in the wrong
ways. they have to put more money in each year because its becoming more
and more expensive to get an education. books are way way way way
expensive. anyone who doesn't believe me take a couple of lit classes in
college and come talk to me after that. now they are putting in metal
detectors in schools as well. freedom of expression in a lot of ways is
being repressed due to the many incidences of shootings in schools. i mean
its gotten to the point of where you can't wear labels at some schools,
and you can't wear certain colors.  some schools require you to have a
clear backpack if you want to carry a bag to school. ridiculous much?
they worry about the wrong things a lot of the time. they worry too much
about saving their own asses from being sued than giving the kids the
education they need. they worry about being politically correct when they
should be fostering an education in a child who needs it. they are also
afraid to discipline because parents get angry when the school disciplines
a child. (and the parents won't do it themselves. so the kid just
continues with this pattern of behavior since they know they can get away
with it.) 

it's not necessarily more money that needs to be put into schools. but it
sure as hell doesnt need to be taken away. and it SURE AS FUCK does not
need to be cut back on in the area of "the arts" in schools. maybe there
needs to be a revamp of the school systems and the way that education is
presented. instead of being reactive towards school shootings, maybe they
can be proactive and prevent future ones from happening by TEACHING the
kids that being different is not a bad thing, instead of inspiring more
hate towards those that are different. they should teach children a
respect and fear of guns. rather than just saying "well don't bring them
to school". seeing metal detectors in schools doesn't make me feel safer.
just makes me wonder if someone can get around them in some way and get a
gun in another way cuz sometimes restrictions just inspire worse behavior
among those who would potentially do that shit anyway. school shouldnt be
a place where you have to fear for your life. the only fear you should
have is the fear inspired in you by your teacher of screwin up yer life if
you dont do your damn homework for a week. heheheh. =P 

anyhoooo..its time for me to go back to my classes.
ciao.
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 To clear up some apparent misconceptions, the NEA funds a great deal more than indiviudal
artists, and a good number of these even are not visual artists, but writers, choreographers, and
so on. From their already meager budget they also support museums, youth art education programs,
etc. - a wealth of cultural resources in an society which seems to me to be severely lacking in
such things. I continue to maintain that they serve a useful purpose. If we were to rely solely on
private corporations for arts funding I think we would soon find ourselves surrounded with the
sort of trite and mundane art that is typically found in the lobbies and atriums of major
corporations.. 

 What bothered me about your reply was not that you suggested cutting government spending, but
that you chose PBS as an example of where to "trim the fat" as you put it. My response was meant
to suggest that the military-industrial complex that in many ways owns this country is a far
greater evil than, say, Sesame Street. From the standpoint of the budget alone, if you look at
that diagram I posted and consider that both the national debt and research programs are for the
most part tied in one way or another to the military, they are receiving roughly 50% of your tax
money. To complain about the NEA under such conditions seems misguided to me. Sorry about the one
liner response, but I didn't have the time to go into it fully at the moment. Hopefully this
clarifies my original statements.


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Everyone always uses the Mapplethorpe exhibit as their example of what they 
don't deem art.  That's a gross overgeneralization.  You're not looking at 
the big picture.  The NEA also funds ballet companies, choreographers, 
symphonies, composers, theaters, etc.  Say the NEA gets cut, many ballet 
companies will fold, meaning less audience draw for theaters, which means 
that many theaters will also close down, which puts many people like 
stagehands and theater workers out of a job who are all UNION working-class 
people.  So you see, nothing is all black and white.  The arts are not simply 
some frivilous upper class accessory, they are the livelihood of many people 
in this country.  By cutting them out, you are cutting out a whole career and 
life option for people.  But I'm sure these words are falling on deaf ears, 
since it looks like we will have a Republican in office come January.  I'm 
saying that as far as the NEA goes, if you cut it, you're not just cutting 
what you think is bad taste, you're cutting alot of physical JOBS.
Kelly  

In a message dated 03/07/2000 12:22:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
insanityfr@yahoo.com writes:

> Anyway, back on subject.  Why should every taxpayer in
>  this country have to pay for what a few people deem
>  art?  I certainly don't feel obligated to pay for a
>  showing of cross-sectioned livestock and religious
>  pictures smeared with manure.
>  
>  Let the private sector pay for art.
>  
>  --Will

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From: "Ira M. Bargon III" <i3bargon@briefcase.com>
Subject: [mw] Detroit Science
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Has anyone from Michigan gone to Science yet. If not dont go it's the shi=
ttiest techno club in Michigan.  Dont waste your money.  There's a $15 co=
ver which sucks but i do pay at other clubs but the other ones are worth =
it.  Water cost fucking $3.  The crowd is only locals. There are numerous=
 under cover cops dressed like one of us, always trying to catch you sell=
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ng sure you are not drinking if under age or taking something, which does=
 happen at other clubs but this one is a over kill.  The only good thing =
about it is Bones plays there the first friday of every month. His set wa=
s hella tight.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 18:52:43 2000
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: now they are putting in metal
: detectors in schools as well.

stop right there. this, in my opinion, is the root of the problem....not
that specific occurence, necessarily....but schools (and society in general)
seem to concentrate on prevention after the fact, not before. why not,
rather than put in metal detectors after a child has already gotten a gun or
a knife, don't they try to fund the means for prevention BEFORE the
fact....smaller, more focused classrooms, stricter qualifications on
teachers, better tests and methods, more youth groups, more extracurricular
activities that promote teamwork and spirit rather than taking all the
options away and leaving kids with nothing to do except get into trouble.
think about it...in our world today, kids are pretty much given 3 viable
options to amuse themselves with...computers, video games, and violence...i
don't know how most of you grew up, but when i was a kid, video games and
computers were too expensive (not to mention my mother said they would rot
any creative ideas i had in my head...perhaps a bit extreme, but hey, it's
mom)...instead i ran track, played violin, climbed enough trees to have
perma-calluses on my hands and knees, hiked, fished, rode my bike enough to
probably circle the earth a couple times, read waaay too much for my own
good, built stuff, took stuff apart...i used to be pretty damn good at just
coming up with some obscure things to do to amuse myself...i've tried to
look at the world today through the eyes of a child, and it scares the hell
out of me.....then i asked my niece to tell me about how she sees the world,
and that scares me too (she's 8) ...i remember once she asked me to tell her
about stuff i did in school when i was her age (shaddup) and when i was
finished (i was telling her about learning games we used to play outside for
science lessons)....she said to me "i wish that the teacher would make stuff
fun for us to learn sometimes...we don't play any kind of games or anything,
not even to learn stuff....she just talks and then gives us our worksheets
and then we hand them in and go home"  what are these people teaching our
children? (and they will be our children someday) do they even care whether
they learn it or not? scarily enough, i can say with quite a bit of
conviction that i don't think they do.

i think i had a point to this somewhere....i suppose it's already been said
before....education reform....it just seems to me like schools these days
are cranking them out as fast as they can, with the only care being that
they're glad that particular kid didn't shoot anyone...next....i don't
know....if this is the kind of system that we have to look forward to from
now on, they system that our kids and their kids will go through....well,
aside from whatever I can do myself to help my own children grow and
believe....i think the golden years of this so-called advanced civilization
are pretty close to being over....if this is what the future is being put
through right now, how can we possibly expect anything more from them?

i wish the word revolution wasn't so damn cliche anymore...sounds like we
need it right about now
bah, don't listen to me...
pixie


ps-i do know that there are *many* good teachers who already teach or who
are working hard to become a part of the educational system. much respect
goes out to these people...thank you.





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I agree that PBS is alot better than alot of the stuff
on Public Television.  I'm not calling for it's being
shut down, just better managed.  Take every show
you've EVER seen on PBS and then think how it might
take over 300 million dollars per year to make them,
distribute and broadcast them.

Case in point:  was it really necessary for them to go
digital LONG before ANY of the other networks?  It's a
blatant waste of taxpayer money.  If they would've
waited for, say, 5 more years the technology would've
been cheaper and maybe more than .0001% of people
would have a digital television.

As far as art and music is schools goes, I totally
agree with you.

You make a good, if slanted, point when you say "it's
all a question of what people consider 'art.'"  Why
let the goverment decide what art is when they hand
out money to some and not others?  Since there are
many private organizations that will fund artists (of
all kinds) isn't it better for you to make the
decision yourself of where your money goes (for the
arts).  You could choose to fund the organization that
more closely meets your definition of the arts.

--Will

--- "lauryn g." <lgoller@indiana.edu> wrote:
> i remember also seeing something one channel about
> how the NEA was trying
> to also cut funding for music education in schools.
> baaaaaaaaaaaaad idea.
> that's taking an integral part of a child's life out
> of the picture. screw
> cutting "the fat out of government".  PBS is a hell
> of a lot better than
> all the other shite on tv. (save the discovery
> channel, history channel
> and cartoon network <heehee>) public funding for the
> arts always comes
> into question when there is a controversial exhibit
> somewhere that people
> always wonder "are we paying for this?" i think that
> probably a lot of
> what spawned this is the whole argument that we as
> taxpayers were paying
> for some exhibit in new york city that mayor
> guiliani disliked cuz it was
> piles of elephant shit or something like that. i
> mean whatever. it's all a
> question of what people consider "art". i mean i
> don't agree that some
> people should get funding for painting stick people
> on coffee cups or
> whatever cuz they are too crazy to do anything else.
> make em go to
> hardees and get a job. cuz i too could be an artist
> in that case and god
> knows i can't even draw stick people. hell i don't
> like to "work". 
> 
> but some people legitimately deserve to be funded.
> there are some people
> out there who create some amazing pieces. stuff that
> stands out. and those
> people shouldn't have to be "starving artists".  but
> the thing is, that
> most of them will be until they are dead. sad but
> true. art trends pass by
> as fast as musical trends a lot of the time and some
> talented individuals
> get lost in the mix. that's why i would never go to
> just straight up art
> school. but that's not my passion so i shouldn't
> really say much about it. 
> 
> but the thing that really gets me is the whole music
> education thing. if
> they cut that, then i'm sure that art classes will
> be next. how will
> children ever discover that they have a love for
> something if they never
> get a chance to explore in that area?  public
> schools just keep getting
> shittier and shittier every year because some stupid
> people in washington
> think they can cut corners on everything but their
> own salary. and that's
> really fucking sad.
> 
> lates.
> lauryn.              
> 
> 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 18:55:50 2000
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Did anyone actually hear this story?

I went to http://arts.endow.gov/  and poked around the site, and couldn't
find any info about this at all.  Nor on NPR's site.  Anybody got a link to
an article about this?

    -bill

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>
> On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg reported that
> if the
> Supreme Court supports Congress to cut the budget of
> the National
> Endowment of the Arts, it is in effect the end of NEA.
> This
> situation creates great concerns about Congressional
> funding for
> creative arts in America, since NEA provides major
> support for
> NPR (National Public Radio), PBS  (Public Broadcasting
> System),
> and numerous other creative and performing arts.
>
> If NEA is lost or weakened, our lives will be
> similarly
> diminished.
>
> In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce
> spending costs
> and streamline their services, some government
> officials believe
> that the funding currently going to these programs is
> too large a
> portion of funding for something which is seen as not
> worthwhile.
>
> Currently, taxes from the general public for PBS equal
> $1.12 per
> person per year, and the National Endowment for the
> Arts equals
> $.64 a year. A January 1995 CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll
> indicated
> that 76% of Americans wish to keep funding for PBS,
> third only to
> national defense and law enforcement as the most
> valuable
> programs for federal funding.
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The digital thing was done to try to increase revenue to the stations, as
they can sell use of their digital broadcast equipment to commercial
stations.

    -bill

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> I agree that PBS is alot better than alot of the stuff
> on Public Television.  I'm not calling for it's being
> shut down, just better managed.  Take every show
> you've EVER seen on PBS and then think how it might
> take over 300 million dollars per year to make them,
> distribute and broadcast them.
>
> Case in point:  was it really necessary for them to go
> digital LONG before ANY of the other networks?  It's a
> blatant waste of taxpayer money.  If they would've
> waited for, say, 5 more years the technology would've
> been cheaper and maybe more than .0001% of people
> would have a digital television.
>
> As far as art and music is schools goes, I totally
> agree with you.
>



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That "petition" has been circulating the internet for years.  It doesn't do 
anything.  Nor do any other email petitions.  The only good thing I can say 
for them is that they inform people who spend too much time on their 
computers of some issues in the world.  Yes, women in Afghanistan are treated 
horribly, yes, the NEA is in trouble, but adding your email address isn't 
going to help anything.  If you really want to help, you bug your Congressmen 
and your local and national governments.
Kelly

In a message dated 03/07/2000 1:56:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com writes:

> Did anyone actually hear this story?
>  
>  I went to http://arts.endow.gov/  and poked around the site, and couldn't
>  find any info about this at all.  Nor on NPR's site.  Anybody got a link to
>  an article about this?
>  
>      -bill
>  

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Subject: Re: [mw] NRR: **NEA**
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If people want these ballet companies, choreographers,
symphonies, composers, theaters, etc. than they will
support them through PRIVATE means.

Don't you think it's kind of telling if the only way a
business can stay affloat is if it's sucking at the
government's breast.

If you're not good enough to support yourself doing
the thing you love, it doesn't mean that the
government has the responsibility to support you...it
means you'll have to get a <gasp> real job!

I love making electronic music, but I'm not nearly
good enough to make a living out of it.  Should the
government give me money because my lack of
talent/experience keeps me from being signed by a
label?

<sigh> This country is turning into a welfare state.

--Will

--- CCeallaigh@aol.com wrote:
> Everyone always uses the Mapplethorpe exhibit as
> their example of what they 
> don't deem art.  That's a gross overgeneralization. 
> You're not looking at 
> the big picture.  The NEA also funds ballet
> companies, choreographers, 
> symphonies, composers, theaters, etc.  Say the NEA
> gets cut, many ballet 
> companies will fold, meaning less audience draw for
> theaters, which means 
> that many theaters will also close down, which puts
> many people like 
> stagehands and theater workers out of a job who are
> all UNION working-class 
> people.  So you see, nothing is all black and white.
>  The arts are not simply 
> some frivilous upper class accessory, they are the
> livelihood of many people 
> in this country.  By cutting them out, you are
> cutting out a whole career and 
> life option for people.  But I'm sure these words
> are falling on deaf ears, 
> since it looks like we will have a Republican in
> office come January.  I'm 
> saying that as far as the NEA goes, if you cut it,
> you're not just cutting 
> what you think is bad taste, you're cutting alot of
> physical JOBS.
> Kelly  
> 
> In a message dated 03/07/2000 12:22:25 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> insanityfr@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> > Anyway, back on subject.  Why should every
> taxpayer in
> >  this country have to pay for what a few people
> deem
> >  art?  I certainly don't feel obligated to pay for
> a
> >  showing of cross-sectioned livestock and
> religious
> >  pictures smeared with manure.
> >  
> >  Let the private sector pay for art.
> >  
> >  --Will
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I have yet to meet anyone who says that they think ballet companies, 
choreographers, symphonies, composers, theaters, and the rest of the things 
that the NEA and the NEH support, artistic, scientific, and historical 
museums, for example, no longer have a place in this country.  If you don't 
have culture, you don't have a nation.  It's in the very definition of a 
nation.  If anything, the arts and humanities should be considered a national 
resource.  And people in this country are lazy with their money.  They won't 
even donate to charities let alone something they really want.  And the arts 
are a real job.  Don't make me beat you with pointe shoes and scratch your 
face with tulle. ;-p As for this: 
>I love making electronic music, but I'm not nearly
>  good enough to make a living out of it.  Should the
>  government give me money because my lack of
>  talent/experience keeps me from being signed by a
>  label?
The people I'm talking about are good enough to make a living at it.  The 
money just isn't there to keep the employers.  I know it's hard for you to 
understand.  But when you live something and love it and the possibility of 
it getting taken away from you just because the government wants to spend 
more money on things like the military, maybe you'll see where I'm coming 
from.
Kelly

In a message dated 03/07/2000 2:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
insanityfr@yahoo.com writes:

> If people want these ballet companies, choreographers,
>  symphonies, composers, theaters, etc. than they will
>  support them through PRIVATE means.
>  
>  Don't you think it's kind of telling if the only way a
>  business can stay affloat is if it's sucking at the
>  government's breast.
>  
>  If you're not good enough to support yourself doing
>  the thing you love, it doesn't mean that the
>  government has the responsibility to support you...it
>  means you'll have to get a <gasp> real job!
>  
>  I love making electronic music, but I'm not nearly
>  good enough to make a living out of it.  Should the
>  government give me money because my lack of
>  talent/experience keeps me from being signed by a
>  label?
>  
>  <sigh> This country is turning into a welfare state.
>  
>  --Will
>  

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: Don't you think it's kind of telling if the only way a
: business can stay affloat is if it's sucking at the
: government's breast.
:
: If you're not good enough to support yourself doing
: the thing you love, it doesn't mean that the
: government has the responsibility to support you...it
: means you'll have to get a <gasp> real job!

basically though your logic you're saying that if these ballet companies,
choreographers, symphonies, and the like (the subject of kelly's e-mail that
you responded to) can't support themselves through the private sector then
they must not be talented enough to continue, and should get real jobs.
hmm....logical, that. i'm not saying that i don't understand where you are
coming from or what you are trying to get across...but you have to realise
that without public support, many many many many many many many many many
talented artisans would disappear into "real jobs," as you
suggested....there just isn't as much public interest in cultural arts as
there used to be....it's very sad really....you know, they used to have
these big epic tales performed city to city back in old times.....bards and
artists travelled the land....culture grew and spread and developed....and
now because it's just not practical anymore, and because of what society and
civilization has evolved into, and because so many people don't support any
kind of artistic expression through public funds...a lot of it will most
likely disappear....add that to how much you know they are pushing cultural
learning in schools these days...wow, i'll tell you what, the future just
looks more and more interesting each day.

heaven forbid that our government should take a supporting stance on
preserving culture. that's really what this is all about...art is art is art
is art is not, but like it or not, it is *all* a part of our human history,
a part of our culture, a part of our story. take a good hard look around you
at the world today. no, really...i'll wait....do you really think that once
government support was pulled, that these cultures would survive much
longer? not many...i haven't seen too many underground ballet recitals
lately.

pfft. lol. anyhoo
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i've been to science, and while i agree that it's kind of a cheesy attempt
of a sports bar trying to be motor, i think they're doing a great job
bringing in talent that's worth seeing and spending money on (bones not
being one of them).  yes, the prices are rather on the ridiculous side,
but it also stays open much longer than your average club, so it's almost
like a party.  but even though it might resemble a party, they still have
a bunch of legal issues to deal with, so i don't understand your problem
w/ the law enforcement.  it's not trying to be "underground" so they have
to be careful about what goes on in there.

but what do i care, more often than not i can't afford it and spend my
evening elsewhere.  no need to bash the place though, i think it's worth
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On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Ira M. Bargon III wrote:

> Has anyone from Michigan gone to Science yet. If not dont go it's the
> shittiest techno club in Michigan.  Dont waste your money.  There's a
> $15 cover which sucks but i do pay at other clubs but the other ones
> are worth it.  Water cost fucking $3.  The crowd is only locals. There
> are numerous under cover cops dressed like one of us, always trying to
> catch you selling pills.  You constantly have bouncers flashing
> flashlights at you making sure you are not drinking if under age or
> taking something, which does happen at other clubs but this one is a
> over kill.  The only good thing about it is Bones plays there the
> first friday of every month. His set was hella tight.
> 
> Just expressing my opionion, and giving out a warning.
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i went to the first destruction..good party! cept for
the part where i smoked myself sick and puked all over
the driveway.  But all was not lost, for I got my
picture taken with jesus and the dood in the black
leotard was cool as phuck...and for some reason after
i passed out in my friends car and woke up i thought i
heard the sound of jingle dogs/cats coming from
inside..Now come on, who WOULDN'T wanna go to a party
like that?!

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> Please mark your calendars.
> 
> DESTRUCTION THREE
> 814 W. Clark St.
> Urbana, IL 61801
> $2
> May 6th
> 
> Live Acts:
> 
> Htek          Madison      hard acid
> Dasein        Urbana       gabber/idm/noisybreaks
> Matt Demmon   Urbana       minimal noise
> Atomly        Minneapolis  ??
> 
> DJs:
> 
> Anonymous     Madison      hardcore/jungle
> Brad Kraft    Minneapolis  ??
> Asscore 2000  Kansas City  booty haus
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> DJ CorpseGrinder feat. MC BloodSpillah on the
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I don't believe that people have given up on art.  If
the money is desperately needed, then the people who
love that art form will come through.  But the NEA is
a socialist program.  It chooses who to give money to
and who to deny.  It's basically a form of government
censorship under the guise of philantropy.

The arts can, and would, survive without government
sponsership.  If you truly love art, you'd do it for
free.  Some of history's greatest artist we poor when
they lived and were hailed as geniuses only after they
died.  Maybe there's truth to the theory that you have
to suffer before you achieve greatness.

--Will

--- CCeallaigh@aol.com wrote:
> I have yet to meet anyone who says that they think
> ballet companies, 
> choreographers, symphonies, composers, theaters, and
> the rest of the things 
> that the NEA and the NEH support, artistic,
> scientific, and historical 
> museums, for example, no longer have a place in this
> country.  If you don't 
> have culture, you don't have a nation.  It's in the
> very definition of a 
> nation.  If anything, the arts and humanities should
> be considered a national 
> resource.  And people in this country are lazy with
> their money.  They won't 
> even donate to charities let alone something they
> really want.  And the arts 
> are a real job.  Don't make me beat you with pointe
> shoes and scratch your 
> face with tulle. ;-p As for this: 
> >I love making electronic music, but I'm not nearly
> >  good enough to make a living out of it.  Should
> the
> >  government give me money because my lack of
> >  talent/experience keeps me from being signed by a
> >  label?
> The people I'm talking about are good enough to make
> a living at it.  The 
> money just isn't there to keep the employers.  I
> know it's hard for you to 
> understand.  But when you live something and love it
> and the possibility of 
> it getting taken away from you just because the
> government wants to spend 
> more money on things like the military, maybe you'll
> see where I'm coming 
> from.
> Kelly
> 
> In a message dated 03/07/2000 2:35:23 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> insanityfr@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> > If people want these ballet companies,
> choreographers,
> >  symphonies, composers, theaters, etc. than they
> will
> >  support them through PRIVATE means.
> >  
> >  Don't you think it's kind of telling if the only
> way a
> >  business can stay affloat is if it's sucking at
> the
> >  government's breast.
> >  
> >  If you're not good enough to support yourself
> doing
> >  the thing you love, it doesn't mean that the
> >  government has the responsibility to support
> you...it
> >  means you'll have to get a <gasp> real job!
> >  
> >  I love making electronic music, but I'm not
> nearly
> >  good enough to make a living out of it.  Should
> the
> >  government give me money because my lack of
> >  talent/experience keeps me from being signed by a
> >  label?
> >  
> >  <sigh> This country is turning into a welfare
> state.
> >  
> >  --Will
> >  
> 

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Yeah you are right saying that it's cool as hell that they stay open late=
=2E  We went to see bones last friday and he was tight.  We were told tha=
t they always stay open till 4am or 5 i forget, anyways that is cool as h=
ell. But do you know they dont do that anymore. They stay open till 3 am =
know, and they said they will do that until the summer.  And the shittest=
 part is that they stopped all music at 2:30 am.  What the fuck is up wit=
h that.  They should at least keep the music going until 3 if they are go=
ing to stay open until 3.  Also it's a sausage fest.  The girl to guy rat=
io everytime i go there is like 3 to 1.=20




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i've been to science, and while i agree that it's kind of a cheesy attemp=
t
of a sports bar trying to be motor, i think they're doing a great job
bringing in talent that's worth seeing and spending money on (bones not
being one of them).  yes, the prices are rather on the ridiculous side,
but it also stays open much longer than your average club, so it's almost
like a party.  but even though it might resemble a party, they still have
a bunch of legal issues to deal with, so i don't understand your problem
w/ the law enforcement.  it's not trying to be "underground" so they have
to be careful about what goes on in there.

but what do i care, more often than not i can't afford it and spend my
evening elsewhere.  no need to bash the place though, i think it's worth
checking out sometime.
 =20

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On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Ira M. Bargon III wrote:

> Has anyone from Michigan gone to Science yet. If not dont go it's the
> shittiest techno club in Michigan.  Dont waste your money.  There's a
> $15 cover which sucks but i do pay at other clubs but the other ones
> are worth it.  Water cost fucking $3.  The crowd is only locals. There
> are numerous under cover cops dressed like one of us, always trying to
> catch you selling pills.  You constantly have bouncers flashing
> flashlights at you making sure you are not drinking if under age or
> taking something, which does happen at other clubs but this one is a
> over kill.  The only good thing about it is Bones plays there the
> first friday of every month. His set was hella tight.
>=20
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Try Afterburner, it's cool as hell.  They open around 2am i think well th=
at the time i got there and there was a line. The cover is 20 which sucks=
 seing that if your going there that late you probably already been somew=
here else.  Pure is cool as hell. My favorite is Ignition.  Which is only=
 saturdays.  They crowd there is by far the best i have seen, everyone is=
 friendly, i have never seeen a fight there and i go about every saturday=
 since last summer.  The women rank up ther with Motor i would say better=
=2E  They only stay open till 2.  The D.J. is tight, he's nothing special=
 but good enough.  A good mix mostly house, some trance, but they mix in =
a small amount of rap and popular metal (Korn for example).  I have never=
 left there and said that i didnt have a great time.




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PURE is the best club in Detroit currently, but is at least $20 and more =
to enter after 11:30.
Where else can a group of 15 people party besides the generic clubs like =
MOTOR or SCIENCE.
Some of us are still under 21 while most of our group are late 20 somethi=
ngs.
PLMK if there are other options for our group on Fridays.
This friday 3-10-00 in particular we have over twenty planning a club hop=
 in a limo.
Any ideas would be appreciated!

"Ira M. Bargon III" wrote:

> Has anyone from Michigan gone to Science yet. If not dont go it's the s=
hittiest techno club in Michigan.  Dont waste your money.  There's a $15 =
cover which sucks but i do pay at other clubs but the other ones are wort=
h it.  Water cost fucking $3.  The crowd is only locals. There are numero=
us under cover cops dressed like one of us, always trying to catch you se=
lling pills.  You constantly have bouncers flashing flashlights at you ma=
king sure you are not drinking if under age or taking something, which do=
es happen at other clubs but this one is a over kill.  The only good thin=
g about it is Bones plays there the first friday of every month. His set =
was hella tight.
>
> Just expressing my opionion, and giving out a warning.
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I have to do a survey and paper for school soooo I was wonderin' if ne one 
could answer the below questions for me...it would be mucho appreciated.  
Please email me back private instead of the list.
(Your experiences with StevieT do not count!!!)

Thanx

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Please respond to the 4 following questions with an agree or disagree:

1.  Welfare recipients are lazy?   agree   disagree

2.  Mentally ill people are dangerous?  agree   disagree

3.  Homosexuals pose a threat to society?  agree  disagree

4.  Orientals are smarter than non-orientals?  agree  disagree


5.  Age?

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fucked up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=001851641145319&rtmo=r3mXh3bX&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/00/3/7/wrape07.html

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1.  Welfare recipients are lazy?   agree... For the 
most part yes they are, i would know!

2.  Mentally ill people are dangerous?  agree... the 
kids at my old school used to play kickball during my 
health class, and several got injured.   

3.  Homosexuals pose a threat to society?  disagree... 
gay men are the best because they leave more openings 
for women

4.  Orientals are smarter than non-orientals?  
agree... It depends if they are living in their home 
country or not, japanese children are considered some 
of the most intelligent kids on earth, but then they 
get accepted to a good college and get drunk for four 
years.


5.  Age?  not important, but availible upon request

6.  Gender? male

7.  Last school grade completed? not important, but 
availible upon request



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--- pixie <pixie@bluegrass.net> wrote:
> : Don't you think it's kind of telling if the only
> way a
> : business can stay affloat is if it's sucking at
> the
> : government's breast.
> :
> : If you're not good enough to support yourself
> doing
> : the thing you love, it doesn't mean that the
> : government has the responsibility to support
> you...it
> : means you'll have to get a <gasp> real job!
> 
> basically though your logic you're saying that if
> these ballet companies,
> choreographers, symphonies, and the like (the
> subject of kelly's e-mail that
> you responded to) can't support themselves through
> the private sector then
> they must not be talented enough to continue, and
> should get real jobs.

Yes and no.  The way you say it infers that they
should give up their dreams and aspirations.  I'm just
saying that instead of living off of the rest of us
they could maybe work for a living to support their
art themselves.

> hmm....logical, that. i'm not saying that i don't
> understand where you are
> coming from or what you are trying to get
> across...

I think you're the only one who understands what I'm
trying to get across.  Even if you disagree, at least
your listening.  You're also one of the few that
hasn't resorted to emailing me with personal attacks
rather than thought out counterpoints.

We're you a debater in high school or college, by
chance?

> but you have to realise
> that without public support, many many many many
> many many many many many
> talented artisans would disappear into "real jobs,"
> as you
> suggested....there just isn't as much public
> interest in cultural arts as
> there used to be....it's very sad really....you
> know, they used to have
> these big epic tales performed city to city back in
> old times.....bards and
> artists travelled the land....culture grew and
> spread and developed....and
> now because it's just not practical anymore, and
> because of what society and
> civilization has evolved into, and because so many
> people don't support any
> kind of artistic expression through public funds...a
> lot of it will most
> likely disappear....

Most of histories great artists were never publicly
funded.  They did what they did out of a love for art
and not for money.  Why is so horrible to earn your
own income and support your art yourself?

> add that to how much you know
> they are pushing cultural
> learning in schools these days...wow, i'll tell you
> what, the future just
> looks more and more interesting each day.
> 
> heaven forbid that our government should take a
> supporting stance on
> preserving culture. that's really what this is all
> about...art is art is art
> is art is not, but like it or not, it is *all* a
> part of our human history,
> a part of our culture, a part of our story. take a

and we're writing a new chapter in the world today: 
"The Golden Age of Cynicism and Consumerism."

History always repeats itself.  There'll be another
renaissance someday...and it won't be because the
government decides to increase the NEA's spending cap.

> good hard look around you
> at the world today. no, really...i'll wait....do you
> really think that once
> government support was pulled, that these cultures
> would survive much
> longer? not many...i haven't seen too many
> underground ballet recitals
> lately.

What if the rave culture started going extinct. 
Surely, it's a culture well worth remembering.  Do you
think that the government would fork over money to
keep all the DJ's and promoters from starving?  No.

So why does the NEA support arts like ballet, but
would not support electronic music?  Because they
don't have to.  If, like you say, without government
funding an art will die then the government is
effectively censoring those arts...assuming you're
correct (I'm not cynical enough to believe you are).

> pfft. lol. anyhoo
> pixie

I know I'm a moron for asking, but what is "pfft"?  Is
it onomatopoeia or an acronym?

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On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, lauryn g. wrote:

Okay, as many of you people know, Education isone of the few things I'm
more passionate about than anything, including music. Education is my
passion so much so, that I'm currently in my last semester of classes
before doing my "student teaching" experience and entering the workforce
as a teacher... So, needless to say, I've got quite a lot of knowledge and
inside experience into America's educational system today... Let me also
say, that instead of preparing for midterms, I've decided to discuss this
from the educators perspective. =)


> > Does anyone else find it odd that each year for the
> > last 10-15, more money is spent on education, more
> > tests are dumbed down, and yet more kids are failing? 
> > It speaks volumes about the need for education reform
> > in this country.
> > 

First of all, I'd love to see your statistics on your statements. There
isn't necessarily "more" money being spent on education over the past
10-15 years, you have to take into consideration the inflation of the
dollar and the fact that America's schools have a higher student
population than they did 10 or 15 years ago. In fact, from the reading and
research I've done, it'd be fair to say that less money is being spent per
student on education today than in the past. Also, the way monies are
distributed per school is quite unfair. Remember that a majorit of school
funding comes from the states, and in Ohio, a lot of it is based on
proficieny scores, as well as the economic situation of the community in
which the school district lies. Therefore, schools in richer areas get
more money and spend more per student than urban schools. I just read
today a statistic from Jonathan Kozol (a very well known educator) that in
some schools in New York, for example, in the South Bronx they spend an
average of $5000 per student on their education (grades k-12), whereas
other schools in wealthier neighborhoods spend approximately $18k/student.
Talk about unfair. I agree there should be reforms in education, but i
think the first thing that our state governments need to change is the way
money is spent, and somehow divide equally among schools.


Second, I'd like to see where you get your ideas about test being "dumbed
down". As an educator, I propose that tests, especially proficiency tests
are becoming more difficult. In the state of Ohio, they give tests to 4th,
9th and 12th graders. The information on the math and science portions of
the 9th grade proficiency test include things like pre-calculus and
chemistry, much of which the students won't begin studying for another
year or two. The problem with standardized tests is that they're
standardized. They don't really "test" a student's knowledge. But I have a
problem with objective tests in general. Do you know that the ACTFL and AP
foreign language tests (with the exception of the AATG American Assc. of
Teachers of German) don't even have a speaking section? How are you
supposed to make an accurate assement of a student's knowledge if you're
not testing the most basic lanuage proficiency skills?


Thirdly, where are you statistics on school failure rates? From the
reading I've one, and statistics I've seen, more students than ever before
are staying with school and not dropping out at age 16. Thanks to new and
innovative programs, like in school child-care and vocational and magnet
schools, more students are staying in school and graduating than ever
before. With the addition of inclusion programs and special IEP
(individualized education programs) student today have much more success
in school than in the past. They have more success than they did when I
was in high school 6 years ago.

> 
> maybe it's not the fact that they put money into schools in the wrong
> ways. they have to put more money in each year because its becoming more
> and more expensive to get an education. books are way way way way
> expensive. anyone who doesn't believe me take a couple of lit classes in
> college and come talk to me after that. 


umm books for high schools and below are all funded from the state. but if
the schools don't get my state funding, when the need it, then they can't
afford to buy new books. it all goes back to monies funded by the state
and what schools can and cannot do with that money. schools in desperate
need ot building repairs usually tend to put their state allocated money
into that, instead of buying new books. A lot of teachers I know ending
putting out their own money to buy books and materials for their
classrooms.


now they are putting in metal
> detectors in schools as well. freedom of expression in a lot of ways is
> being repressed due to the many incidences of shootings in schools. i mean
> its gotten to the point of where you can't wear labels at some schools,
> and you can't wear certain colors.  some schools require you to have a
> clear backpack if you want to carry a bag to school. ridiculous much?

I don't think the rules are ridiculous. I think the fact that there have
to be rules regarding school violence and such is ridiculous. but that's a
whole 'nother subject I could go on for days about.


> they worry about the wrong things a lot of the time. they worry too much
> about saving their own asses from being sued than giving the kids the
> education they need. they worry about being politically correct when they
> should be fostering an education in a child who needs it. they are also
> afraid to discipline because parents get angry when the school disciplines
> a child. (and the parents won't do it themselves. so the kid just
> continues with this pattern of behavior since they know they can get away
> with it.) 
> 

sorry lauryn, you're wrong wrong wrong wrong.... =) I love you honey, but
you're wrong... noone I know in the teaching field (regardless of whether
they're a 30 year veteram or a 1st year teacher) spends more time worrying
about getting sued than giving our kids and education... we're there for
the kids, we're there to teach them. if we were worried about other
things, like saving our own asses, sticking our necks out and being
politically correct, we wouldn't be in the field we're in... not to
mention, most parents i've come into contact with are supportive if you
discipline their child at school. in fact, i heard a story from a teacher
the other day, where during parent-teacher conferences a parent was having
problems with his daughter. she was "talking back" to him, and he told the
teacher to do something about it to make her stop. the problem isn't that
we're afraid to discipline, the problem is that the parents rely on us to
do all their disciplining and training of their children for them. now I'm
not saying that all parents are like this, but there are a lot of them
around. with the huge influx of kids who are now in kindergarten, and have
parents who are just now turning 20, it's easy to see why kids today have
such problems with bahving in the classroom. it's because when they were
born, their parents were still children. how can a child be expected to
know how to discpline another child? I don't expect it at all and it's
unrealistic to think that can happen.



> it's not necessarily more money that needs to be put into schools. but it
> sure as hell doesnt need to be taken away. and it SURE AS FUCK does not
> need to be cut back on in the area of "the arts" in schools. maybe there
> needs to be a revamp of the school systems and the way that education is
> presented. instead of being reactive towards school shootings, maybe they
> can be proactive and prevent future ones from happening by TEACHING the
> kids that being different is not a bad thing, instead of inspiring more
> hate towards those that are different. they should teach children a
> respect and fear of guns. rather than just saying "well don't bring them
> to school". 


what children need to be taught above all, and from an early age is to
respect each other and to embrace each other's differences. I know I
bitched a lot about my kindergarteners a couple of weeks ago, but the one
totally awesome thing about the school i was in was that they had a
schoolwide policy of respect for other and respect for themselves. if you
respect yourself and others, then the rest seems to fall into place.


> school shouldnt be
> a place where you have to fear for your life. the only fear you should
> have is the fear inspired in you by your teacher of screwin up yer life if
> you dont do your damn homework for a week. heheheh. =P 
> 

i completly agree with you on this one. ;) school should be a place where
students can escape from their problems associated with everyday life. for
the girl who gets beat and abused by her father (trust me, there's a lot
of them in our schools), school should be a safe zone. for the kid who
can't do anything else right, he should feel some success at school. and
for the kids who don't do their homework for a week. if you're in my
class, you'd better be prepared to spend major time during lunch and after
school in my classroom working on that homework for no credit! ;)


and now time to study for my midterms...

-Becky =)

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"pixie" <pixie@bluegrass.net> wrote:

>in our world today, kids are pretty much given 3 viable
>options to amuse themselves with...computers, video games, and violence

With all due respect, I don't buy this argument. I used to hear it often in
the college town where I grew up, despite the fact that there was actually
plenty to do (especially compared to the entertainment options available in
rural areas). I'm sure even kids in New York City complain that "there's
nothing to do."

The thing is, some kids will reject any adult-sanctioned activity. It's
rebellion, and (to some extent) it's a normal part of growing up. For
example, in the abovementioned town a skateboard park and an all-ages music
club were created in response to the "nothing to do" complaints. Well, the
skatepark closed within a few years due to lack of usage, and the club
relies on grants to stay alive.

>i
>don't know how most of you grew up, but when i was a kid, video games and
>computers were too expensive (not to mention my mother said they would rot
>any creative ideas i had in my head...perhaps a bit extreme, but hey, it's
>mom)...instead i ran track, played violin, climbed enough trees to have
>perma-calluses on my hands and knees, hiked, fished, rode my bike enough to
>probably circle the earth a couple times, read waaay too much for my own
>good, built stuff, took stuff apart...i used to be pretty damn good at just
>coming up with some obscure things to do to amuse myself...

Unless things have really changed in the five years since I graduated from
high school, all of these options are still available.

>i've tried to
>look at the world today through the eyes of a child, and it scares the hell
>out of me.....

I really don't think things have changed much since my childhood. In fact,
I think the world is (to some extent) a safer place. Despite a few
high-profile incidents like the Columbine shootings, violent crime is down.
And today's kids don't have to worry about getting nuked by the Soviets
either.

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This argument is not new at all.  Learned this in a few of my psych/soc. 
classes back at IUP.

You can always find support for a thesis if you look hard enough.

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It's not so much that adult-sanctioned things are rebelled against simply
due to the fact that they're OK with adults, it's more that adults often
just don't get it.  Every skate park I've ever seen adults build has lame
ramps, makes you wear helmets, won't play good music (they've made us turn
off offensive music before), etc.  Same things with clubs that are city
sponsored or the like- they have bad bands and just aren't very fun to
hang out at.  Generally there's no smoking allowed, etc. (I don't smoke
but I know this plays a major factor in a good portion of 16 year-olds'
decision processes).

And there really is nothing to do a lot of the time.  When I was in high
school the only things we had to do were things we did for ourselves.
Luckily the majority of my friends were creative and ambitious, so we put
on shows and made up things to do (I'll tell you all about Ick Wars and
Slip some time).  But a good portion of the time when we were bored, we
just resorted to fucking with people.  (Thank god for water balloon
launchers!)

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In a message dated 3/7/00 9:52:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!, 
mconrad@alumni.indiana.edu writes:

>  Well, the
>  skatepark closed within a few years due to lack of usage, and the club
>  relies on grants to stay alive.

Well, the park I have seen before.  It's happened in Muncie and in Indy, too, 
I believe.

The club scenerio I've seen before, too.  But it's usually the club owners' 
fault.  For instance,
I signed on to help CLUB X in Lebanon two years ago.  The owner was all about 
giving to 
the community.  For my help, he gave me the space for BITCHES GET THE SMACK 
DOWN
and ENCORE!  

However, his assumption was pretty much every adult's assumption of what kids 
want:
BUILD IT AND THEY WOULD COME.  He didn't listen to what they wanted.  He 
didn't
even promote or advertise.  He felt, honestly, that simply because it was 
their and for
the kids that they should come EACH AND EVERY WEEKEND despite NOT giving
them what they wanted.  

Needless to say, it failed.  

So, building a club is the easy part. 

Making people (and kids) want to be there EVERY WEEKEND is something entirely
different.

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On 03/07/2000 3:28 PM that Paul guy prophesized the following:

> I have to do a survey and paper for school soooo I was wonderin' if ne one
> could answer the below questions for me...it would be mucho appreciated.
> Please email me back private instead of the list.
> (Your experiences with StevieT do not count!!!)
> 
> Thanx
> 
> PJ
> 
> 
> Please respond to the 4 following questions with an agree or disagree:
> 
> 1.  Welfare recipients are lazy?   agree   disagree

disgree 


> 2.  Mentally ill people are dangerous?  agree   disagree

disagree


> 3.  Homosexuals pose a threat to society?  agree  disagree

disagree

 
> 4.  Orientals are smarter than non-orientals?  agree  disagree

disagree

> 
> 5.  Age?

30

> 6.  Gender?


m

> 7.  Last school grade completed?

15
 
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In a message dated 03/07/2000 4:49:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
insanityfr@yahoo.com writes:

> Yes and no.  The way you say it infers that they
>  should give up their dreams and aspirations.  I'm just
>  saying that instead of living off of the rest of us
>  they could maybe work for a living to support their
>  art themselves.

I understand your frustration here.  I really do.  The thing is, speaking 
from a dancer's perspective, the amount of time you have to put in each day 
in order to truly be serious about your art, leaves virtually no time for a 
regular job.  I am not trying to speak for painters, sculpters, etc. as I do 
not know what they put in each day.  When I was dancing, I was in the studio 
and theater anywhere from 40-50 hours a week.  It was a fulltime job.  And 
the pay wasn't that great either.  I had to work on the side when I had time 
to, and that was with funding towards the company I was dancing with from the 
NEA.

>  I think you're the only one who understands what I'm
>  trying to get across.  Even if you disagree, at least
>  your listening.  You're also one of the few that
>  hasn't resorted to emailing me with personal attacks
>  rather than thought out counterpoints.
>  
>  We're you a debater in high school or college, by
>  chance?

Did I personally attack you in a serious manner?  I apologize if I did.  This 
is an issue of deep personal meaning to me and I tend to get angry.

>  >  Most of histories great artists were never publicly
>  funded.  They did what they did out of a love for art
>  and not for money.  Why is so horrible to earn your
>  own income and support your art yourself?

When you're in need of money, you'll take it practically anywhere you can get 
it.  Don't assume that all artists funded by the NEA are just sitting on 
their asses fingerpainting every couple of years when the government sends 
them a check.  Many artists have other "real" jobs.  The funding from the NEA 
is merely a helping hand.  There is really very little money going to the 
arts from them at the moment.  The biggest contributor to the dance world 
right now is Phillip Morris, the tobacco company.  Don't think they haven't 
gotten some serious flack for that.  And isn't the desire of just about 
everyone to find something they love and do it for a living?  We're also 
neglecting the NEH which will get cut right along with the NEA, which means 
many museums and libraries will be gone.

>  
>  and we're writing a new chapter in the world today: 
>  "The Golden Age of Cynicism and Consumerism."
>  
>  History always repeats itself.  There'll be another
>  renaissance someday...and it won't be because the
>  government decides to increase the NEA's spending cap.

I hope you're right.  I really do.

>  
>  What if the rave culture started going extinct. 
>  Surely, it's a culture well worth remembering.  Do you
>  think that the government would fork over money to
>  keep all the DJ's and promoters from starving?  No.
>  
>  So why does the NEA support arts like ballet, but
>  would not support electronic music?  Because they
>  don't have to.  If, like you say, without government
>  funding an art will die then the government is
>  effectively censoring those arts...assuming you're
>  correct (I'm not cynical enough to believe you are).

How do you know they won't?  Have you tried?  I can't remember exactly but I 
know that under tax laws or something to that effect, DJs are considered 
musicians.  Producers and the like could, in effect, get funding from the 
NEA.  I'm not trying to say that the NEA and the NEH are perfect or even that 
I like the fact that it has to be a government organization to do the giving, 
it's just something that I think we as human citizens deserve.
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What part of "Please email me back private instead of the list" did you folks not understand?

Thank you.

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On 03/07/2000 4:29 PM Ignatius J. Reilly prophesized the following:

> What part of "Please email me back private instead of the list" did you folks
> not understand?
> 


ummmmmm that part i guess...sorry


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Everybody is an enemy.  fuck it I hate everybody.
I'm not a part of any scene, I do my own thing.
my mind is the machine gun, my body is the bullets,
and my audience is the target!!!

I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists
and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
I am chaos.  I am alive and tell you that you are free.

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>What part of "Please email me back private instead of the list" did you
folks not understand?

what list?

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Please respond to the 4 following questions with an agree or disagree:

1.  Welfare recipients are lazy? Disagree,I feel that most of the people =
on
Welfare don't want to be.  They usually seek to furthur their education i=
n
order to prepare themselves to enter the workforce.  There are some peopl=
e who
do abuse the system and that sucks.  But there will always be users and
abusers in this society.

2.  Mentally ill people are dangerous?  I'm gonna sit on the fence with t=
his
one.  It depends on the illness.  I remember on 60 minutes a while back t=
here
was a man in New York who pushed this woman in front of a subway train. =

Doctors claimed he was schezophrenic and he attempted to get help at seve=
ral
clinics but some refused his cry out for help.  If my memory serves me ri=
ght,
he claimed to hear voices which told him to do t hings.  I think that som=
e
mentally ill people are dangerous and some are not.  You have to look at =
their
history to see if they have any violent tendencies.  There are some menta=
lly
ill people who are as gentle as children and then there are some like the=
 man
i mentioned above.  So I don't know.

3.  Homosexuals pose a threat to society?  This is absurd all the way aro=
und. =

If that's the case, minorites are a threat to society as well.  Anything =
that
is not the "norm" is a threat to society.  And lets not get into the AIDS=

conversation about how Homosexuals are spreading this disease the most an=
d
wiping us out because statistics show that more hetero's are spreading an=
d the
HIV virus than homo's.  This question is just whacked out yo!

4.  Orientals are smarter than non-orientals?  This is yet another whacke=
d out
question.  It is prejudice and ignorant and full of stereotypes.  I have =
met
intelligent people of all shades and the like.  And also just a side note=
,
don't call them "orientals" they are not rugs.  I despise that word, they=
 are
of Asian decent and should be respected as such. :)
5.  Age? 21

6.  Gender? Mail

7.  Last school grade completed?  Currently a senior attending DePaul
University.  Broadcast Journalism Major/Human Computer Interaction Minor


Peace n Blessin's =


Fuego...man..it's really hot today in the Old Chi-town...whooooo!


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 23:06:31 2000
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To: Shannon bLiTz Magnani <blitz666@uswest.net>,
  "Ignatius J. Reilly" <te_one@yahoo.com>,
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I know...sorry man.  I completely missed that part.  I'm at work, not too=

happy today, my brain erases certain words.  All in All, it is interestin=
g to
see how people on the list would respond to such questions so i don't thi=
nk
it's a complete fuck up..you know :)

Peace n Blessing's
Fuego..



> What part of "Please email me back private instead of the list" did you=

folks
> not understand?
> =



ummmmmm that part i guess...sorry


-----------------------------------------------------------
Everybody is an enemy.  fuck it I hate everybody.
I'm not a part of any scene, I do my own thing.
my mind is the machine gun, my body is the bullets,
and my audience is the target!!!

I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists
and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
I am chaos.  I am alive and tell you that you are free.

Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani
The Mighty FreeBass Collective & Conspiracy unINC.
http://bounce.to/blitz666
AOL IM: blitzgrafx
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 07 23:32:57 2000
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There's these two solo musicians that I've been working with for a while, 
local to the Duluth,MN area. check out their music.

http://www.mp3.com/thirteenpercent
http://www.mp3.com/waspprojekt

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neither of the urls work..... :/

DJDolorem@aol.com wrote:
There's these two solo musicians that I've been working with for a while,=
 =

local to the Duluth,MN area. check out their music.

http://www.mp3.com/thirteenpercent
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In a message dated 3/7/00 5:57:30 PM Central Standard Time, DJDolorem writes:

<< Yes they do, you must be having problems.
 
 In a message dated 3/7/00 5:53:44 PM Central Standard Time, 
fuddyduddyjudge@usa.net writes:
 
 << neither of the urls work..... :/
  
  DJDolorem@aol.com wrote:
  There's these two solo musicians that I've been working with for a while, 
  local to the Duluth,MN area. check out their music.
  
  http://www.mp3.com/thirteenpercent
  http://www.mp3.com/waspprojekt
   >>
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O.k..so as soon as i said they don't work..they started to work..i wasn't=

having problems per se, more like my connection was having problems...

peace n blessin's
Fuego


DJDolorem@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 3/7/00 5:57:30 PM Central Standard Time, DJDolorem wri=
tes:

<< Yes they do, you must be having problems.
 =

 In a message dated 3/7/00 5:53:44 PM Central Standard Time, =

fuddyduddyjudge@usa.net writes:
 =

 << neither of the urls work..... :/
  =

  DJDolorem@aol.com wrote:
  There's these two solo musicians that I've been working with for a whil=
e, =

  local to the Duluth,MN area. check out their music.
  =

  http://www.mp3.com/thirteenpercent
  http://www.mp3.com/waspprojekt
   >>
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>went to the first destruction..good party! cept for
>the part where i smoked myself sick and puked all over
>the driveway.  But all was not lost, for I got my
>picture taken with jesus and the dood in the black
>leotard was cool as phuck...and for some reason after
>i passed out in my friends car and woke up i thought i
>heard the sound of jingle dogs/cats coming from
>inside..Now come on, who WOULDN'T wanna go to a party
>like that?!

JINGLE CATS, MOTHERFUCKER.

meow meow meow meow (to the tune of "We Wish You A Meowy Xmas")

see you there, ravers.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 00:56:23 2000
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bwahahaha, your friend must not know much about dnb
stevie, protocol is an already established lable, and
has been for quite a while now.
(I know entro already said this, I just wanna piss off
my favorite mw-rave listee)
--- Steviet069@aol.com wrote:
> k, last post for tonight i promise...
> 
> for serious jungle and drum & bass producers, my
> friend 
> DJ Seneca in cleveland is starting a new
> lable...Protocal 
> Records...and is currently accepting
> submissions...if you
> are interested in getting signed & paid...you can
> reach him
> at: Protocal@AnotherMethod.com...serious inquiries
> only
> please.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 01:22:20 2000
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has anyone heard them play? apparently they are to be in memphis this
coming weekend and i was kinda curious as to how good they are. also was
wondering about the spacemen as well.  they are going to be there as well.
(feelgood too...reason enough to kinda make me wanna go *home* for a lil
bit)

sorry for the large cross-post, but i wanna find out cuz i knew that they
were at zenfest a few years ago, but i don't like florida all that well,
so i avoided it like the plague.

okay. im getting back to studying.

a domani,
lauryn.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 01:30:55 2000
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cosmic baby is one guy...one of the pioneers of
trance. Actually him and paul van dyk had a project a
long ass time ago called Visions of Shiva. I haven't
heard shit about Cosmic Baby for a while tho. He had
an absolutely badass trancey/electro track called
Cosmic City that would make anybody who likes electro
cum faster than i could say "come to daddy"


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 01:41:23 2000
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atomly <atomly@atomly.com> wrote:

>Same things with clubs that are city
>sponsored or the like- they have bad bands and just aren't very fun to
>hang out at.  Generally there's no smoking allowed, etc. (I don't smoke
>but I know this plays a major factor in a good portion of 16 year-olds'
>decision processes).

A club that caters to an under-18 crowd probably has little choice but to
ban smoking. I don't know about other states, but a few years ago Indiana
made it a misdemeanor for a minor to even possess tobacco products. The
high school I attended now refers kids who get caught smoking to the county
prosecutor. (Incidentally, the police officers who do security at local
raves seem to ignore violations.)

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-->in our world today, kids are pretty much given 3 viable
-->options to amuse themselves with...computers, video games, and violence...

you forgot sex and drugs... sounds like somebody had a pretty boring
childhood ;)

rave on
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 01:46:59 2000
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> prosecutor. (Incidentally, the police officers who do security at local
> raves seem to ignore violations.)
> 

probably because that is the *least* of their worries. 

the cigarette violations  thing is kinda stupid cuz i about got in trouble
when i was eighteen for buyin a pack of cigs for my friend although there
really was no proof that i bought them. my friends and i got pulled over
cuz my friend had an expired license plate (it was her parents car and it
was expired by one day.) but the cop decided not to give her a ticket for
that but instead decided to harrass us about smoking. said that he could
write me up for contributing to the delinquency of a minor or some shit
like that. it was pretty lame. but nonetheless kinda scary. to think i
could have gotten a ticket or went to jail for something that trivial. i
understand maybe alcohol but cigarettes? come on! 

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 01:54:19 2000
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At 08:46 PM 3/7/2000 -0500, "lauryn g." <lgoller@indiana.edu> wrote:

>> (Incidentally, the police officers who do security at local
>> raves seem to ignore [minor in possession of tobacco] violations.)
>> 
>
>probably because that is the *least* of their worries. 

As it probably should be. I'm not big on smoking myself (indeed, I'd love a
smoke-free rave), but I'd rather that the police focus on making sure that
the party stays safe. Besides, they probably don't want to deal with the
paperwork that would result.

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yes sir!
this friday night in bloomington,indiana,muzique boutique brings you FOOLS GOLD.
admission is $5 with an iu id and $10 without.
talent features:
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the doors open at 10pm and goes until 6am.
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In a message dated 3/5/00 5:36:14 PM Central Standard Time, TRnCeGrLe@aol.com 
writes:

<< PLUR doesn't exist because people like you don't belive in it.
 
 TC~ >>
Xactly...

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A good friend of mine wrote this and sent it to me, and it is EXACTLY how I
feel about "PLUR".  I couldn't have said it better myself if I had spent 20
years trying.

bite me.

fergus :D



>>I was on ICQ talking with someone, and they said it best so I'll try to
>re-enact what he told me, although I might change it a bit to sound more
>like myself, but it was oh so true and made me think.
>
>>PLUR is just a bullshit thing created by newskool party kids who have no
>concept of what a party really is.  Because back in the day we didn't need
>PLUR.... you just knew.  You just felt.  It just was.
>
>>Think on that.  And stop saying the word.
>
>-->Hahaha... okay, well, that was ME he (mis)quoted... and before he gets
>his ass flamed for making an anti-plur comment (how plur-ry) let me rise to
>his/my defense:
>
>(A) PLUR is a concept introduced by the new school. Raves, techno, it wasn't
>about preaching respect - why? Cause there WAS respect. You don't need to
>preach something when everyone believes it and lives it. It was communal
>because we were doing something, sharing something, that a very few others
>on the planet were. It was like skateboarding back in the oldschool (don't
>even tell me you remember unless you ever owned a skateboard without a
>front-kick several generations before symmetrical boards...)... you'd get
>ridiculed so much for being a skater, being so different from everyone
>else - that other skaters respected you for being out there and pounding
>ground with them. You could always ALWAYS get help from another skater, just
>because you skated, they skated. You'd both been pushed around by the cops
>and your parents. Now it's all image, a bunch of cocky punks with mommy's
>money hoping to get laid 'cause they can pull the latest squirrel flip or
>whatever. It wasn't about that. Techno was the same way - we had so much
>respect for people who felt what we felt with the music that you just had a
>mutual respect. We didn't need to say it, didn't need to announce it.
>
>   Why isn't it the same anymore? Because raves are no longer underground.
>You're not sharing anything at a rave and if you THINK you are, wait until
>you've been in the scene for 5 or more years. I've been in it 10. If you
>THINK the rave scene is still underground, ask yourself why they announce it
>on radios... why promoters put out tens of thousands of flyers PER RAVE. The
>people couldn't care less about the music now, it's the money, it's the
>drugs. Prove me wrong when 90% of the alt.rave posts are drug related. Drugs
>were prominent before but it wasn't 16 year old k-holers doing it, and now
>it's become one GIANT fuck-fest of promoters and dealers trying to make
>money any way shape or form they can.
>
>    We never had gangs walking around robbing people right on the
>dancefloor.
>
>   So WHY do I ridicule PLUR? Because IT'S NOT REAL. I walk around at raves,
>I get pushed, threatened, and glared at because I don't wear your candy-ass
>shit. Why? Cause when raves started we wore what we wanted. IF we got
>dressed up it was black vinyl, leather, and spikes... sometimes silly stuff
>but NEVER to attract a 16-year old cutie. PLUR isn't DEAD - It never
>EXISTED. It was made up as a candy-coated pill for you ALL to swallow and
>believe that you have friends at raves. YOU DON'T. If you DID then WHY can't
>I leave my jacket in the corner without it getting STOLEN or picked
>through??? PLUR was a conveniently abused phrase to get other people to
>trust them so YOU ALL WOULD PUT UP WITH THE SHIT THAT RAVES GIVE YOU KIDS
>NOWADAYS!!
>   PLUR? BULLSHIT. How can you list PLUR on a flyer for a party that costs
>$35??? HOW can you list PLUR on a flyer that you intend to charge $5 for
>water??
>
>    PLUR? Plur is that excuse that means your dirty mouth can sip my water.
>    PLUR? Plur is that excuse that means your friends can cut me in line.
>    PLUR? Plur is that excuse that means you won't fight for yourself when
>someone is stealing your belongings, robbing your friends, dealing you bunk
>shit, pushing you out of their way, or even just walking into your
>dance-space.
>    WHAT has PLUR ever done for you??
>    HAVE you ever been to a party sober?? Did you feel loved? Try it
>sometime. Try dressing normal and see how different people react to you.
>Wow! But if PLUR existed, nothing would be different, right? No way. PLUR
>depends on what drugs you are on, what colors you wear, and how well you
>share. Sounds like a GANG to me.
>
>   PLUR was a hippy ideal, not techno. It came from good intentions but got
>soiled when it all of a sudden became a way for all you 14 year olds to try
>and convince mummy and daddy that it's safe for you to stay out all night
>long.
>   PLUR is this great convenient FRONT for people YOU CALL YOUR FRIENDS to
>smile to your face as they hand you a fake pill - which when you realize
>it's fake you and your hippy wanna-be friends are too docile to realize that
>you SHOULD be beating the shit out of the guy.
>   PLUR is NAIVE. People have to EARN your respect. You can't just hand that
>out and wait until it's TAKEN away - that's not street-smart. There is ALOT
>to be said for prejudice on a self-preservation level - IE, stay away from
>sketchy people - WHICH, if you do, and don't fucking flame me back saying
>you aren't prejudice because we ALL ARE, you are NOT abiding by PLUR.
>
>(B) PLUR - great on paper. Doesn't mean shit in a roomful of strangers. It
>really doesn't. People approach me thinking that because my shirt is cool I
>must think like them. Well, I don't. Music is great but it DOES NOT DICTATE
>SOMEONE'S PERSONALITY... nor does it dictate whether someone deserves your
>Unity, your Love, or your Respect. Peace? That term, too, came from the
>hippy movement - a bunch of idiots who'd like to see us disarm and be happy.
>Great, you be a hippy in your own damn country, we'll sit here with the
>nukes. When someone ELSE wants to take your soil, don't complain to us - you
>wanted our weapons OUT.
>
>(B1) - PEACE - There IS NO PEACE among humans. Why? Because assholes think
>that they've got to drop steroids and push people around. Because dealers
>think it's okay to hand you sugar-pills. Because 18 year old boys haven't
>assured themselves that their dick-size is normal. And many more. There's so
>many factors which dictate how there is truly no peace among a large enough
>body of humans. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US SPECIAL, UNIQUE.
>
>(B2) - LOVE - There IS NO LOVE among ravers. Why? Because your
>methamphetamines only make a FALSE sense that people like me like people
>you. I don't. I don't know you well enough to know that I love you. I love
>my FRIENDS. Until you have some justified reason to call yourself my friend,
>kindly quit cutting me in line, asshole, and quit quoting PLUR.
>
>(B3) - UNITY - There is no unity in a bunch of pacifists... that's like
>organized anarchists. Unity DOES NOT CONFORM WITH PEACE. Unity IMPLIES THAT
>THERE IS SOMETHING OUT THERE TO UNITE AGAINST, YOU NITWITS!!! UNITING
>AGAINST SOMETHING MEANS UNREST, NOT PEACE!!
>
>(B4) - RESPECT - Respect is like love. You don't and shouldn't give it out
>to anyone who approaches you. Part of what makes RESPECT so special is that
>it must be EARNED. Giving it out to everyone NULLIFIES RESPECT, and you are
>at square one.
>
>and finally
>
>(C) Plur is a nice ideal, sure. It sounds great. Unfortunately, it's
>carefully crafted to the newer introductees to techno. It's not what techno
>is about. It's not what music is about. And most importantly, it's really
>NOT what raves are about. It's FAKE. People that quote PLUR are among the
>first people who would happily take a $20 bill you drop while dancing. Sure,
>there are plenty of great people out there that won't. I AM ONE OF THEM TOO.
>However, you won't find me quoting PLUR as I return your lost money. I did
>it because I'm a good person. I don't need to provide some PC term to prove
>I'm legit, I just AM.
>    If PLUR were REAL, you wouldn't have to question it. You wouldn't have
>to PREACH it. It would be at raves and you would just KNOW it. It's NOT.
>There are people at raves that WANT to hurt you, that WANT to take your
>money. These are people that PREY off your false belief in PLUR, that use
>your naive RESPECT to rob you RIGHT AT YOUR FACE.
>
>Go ahead, flame me. Prove me RIGHT. The P for PEACE means you should be
>accepting, and loving to what I have to say, not ANGERED, as I'm sure some
>of you are. The R for RESPECT means that being a PLUR-ite you shouldn't
>detract from my tirade by negative comments.
>
>So now SUCK IT. If you have to HIDE behind PLUR to shield your insecurities
>that you are HUMAN and have certain character flaws that MAKE you human,
>then you are ALREADY not one of us - Forget UNITY, we DON'T WANT YOU if you
>can't handle your own humanity.
>
>
>It was NEVER this way when raves began. You went, you danced, you met some
>people, you popped some pills, dropped some hits, and had a good time. We
>didn't need to equate it to PLUR, WHY? Because you were a good person. I
>can't wear a "Plays Well With Others" shirt to get respect, I have to EARN
>respect. With respect comes unity. With unity comes love, and with love,
>PEACE. I can achieve ALL OF THIS without hiding behind a cliche or preaching
>about how WRONG others are for not believing my naive ideals...
>
>It starts with picking up that $20, tapping that person on the shoulder, and
>handing it to them with a smile.
>
>Unfortunately, it's the PLUR kids that are the first ones I've seen that
>will grab it and run - and it's my friends that HATE what PLUR stands for
>(not the acronym, but the cliche) that will be the FIRST to gain your
>respect by honesty.
>
>
>
>With that, a hearty FUCK PLUR. I respect people on my own terms. I RESERVE
>the RIGHT to RESPECT or DISRESPECT as I see fit - that is what makes ME,
>HUMAN.
>
>
>cosinezero
>
>
>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 03:47:42 2000
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now, if the NEA could only fund raves...

i mean don't raves count as a gathering of artists?...
electronic music artists, dancers, fashion designers, 
writers, photographers...

at interstellar outback 2, it was also a gathering for 
spiritual, artistic, environmental and political education...
they even had a speaker from SETI come out for IO3...i don't 
think mainstream people realize just how powerful these 
social gatherings can be if they are put on with the best 
intentions like they were in the very beginning when peace, 
love, unity, and respect were the pillars for these underground 
ventures...almost an underground school for those who couldn't
afford to go to school...a sanctuary for the meek and the young 
at heart...pity, something that was started with the best vision 
of heaven on earth has been transformed into another object of 
capitalism with the greed, hate, & jealousy that quickly 
followed it....

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>sorry lauryn, you're wrong wrong wrong wrong.... =) I love you honey, but
>you're wrong... noone I know in the teaching field (regardless of whether
>they're a 30 year veteram or a 1st year teacher) spends more time worrying
>about getting sued than giving our kids and education...
   I don't think Lauryn is wrong in bringing up this point. As you are, I am 
also preparing to teach, so I may have further insight on this subject. In 
fact, just tonight I was in an ed. class discussing the legal rights and 
responsibilities of public educators. In this and other teaching courses I 
have taken, I have heard MANY horror stories of teachers faced with law 
suits and the threat of losing their jobs. Even my own professors have been 
in this position. These are real teachers accused from anything from  
touching a child on the wrist (as abuse)to being persecuted for their 
relgious orientation (practicing Wicca- and not in the classroom). So 
sticking out your neck, may cause a teacher to not be rehired! And you can't 
teach a kid anything when you're not in the classroom. Yes, I am in it for 
the kids too, and I pretty positive that the school administation where I 
plan to teach is not going to agree with all my ideals. Anyhow, these are 
issues for any dedicated person who really wants to teach, change lives, and 
change the world... You'd better know what you are getting into.
       but, i'm glad i am not the only post-raver pre-teacher ;)
(if you're going to revolutionize the kiddies, you've gotta be covert about 
it)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 04:24:38 2000
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That critique of PLUR was beautiful, I must say.

Alternatively: "me too"

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 04:26:38 2000
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yeah, that's right.
trance eats my ass.  especially wussy trance.  you hear me?
know what's fun?  stabbing a fork in your eye.


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lol, i always found it ironic that blitz666 has a USwest e-mail
addy since USwest is notorious for ripping people off with their
phone service especially on the west coast...plus everybody
knows about the break up of the original monopoly ma bell...
well, USwest put a new meaning to that word after their 
obvious monopoly in multiple cities for local phone company...
charging people $200 just to have service in some areas...

1.  Welfare recipients are lazy? with my new job in collections,
     i speak to people on welfare on a daily basis...the truth is it's
     a trap...once you're in it...it's very difficult to get out, since
     most jobs check your last place of employment...and if you've
     been unemployed for over 2-3 months, they won't even 
     consider you...of course, when you're poor, you don't have a 
     voice, so there's nothing you can do about it...and when you're 
     homeless, you don't even count as a statistic, when the census 
     comes around, they won't be asking all the homeless people 
     how they're living...
 
2.  Mentally ill people are dangerous?  most "bonafied" mentally 
     ill people are put in happy houses for the rest of their lives, 
     which is the equivalent of jail so that they can not be a threat 
     to society or themselves.

3.  Homosexuals pose a threat to society?  Now here's a backwoods
     mentality if i ever heard one...why am i not surprised it's comin
     from blitz666...i think homosexuals pose about as much threat
     as heterosexuals...hell, statistic wise, more crimes are 
     commited by heterosexuals than homosexuals...if anything 
     heterosexuals pose more of a threat to homosexuals especially 
    with all the hate crimes

4.  Orientals are smarter than non-orientals?  Actually, 
     statistically it's already been proven orientals have a 
     higher IQ than non-orientals...and the Japanese have the 
     highest IQ for orientals...you can check the Guiness Book of 
     World Records...it's a fact...despite white people trying to 
     oppress non-whites through biased SAT tests and white
     owned corporations that would only promote whites...hell, 
     MIT was nicknamed "Made in Taiwan", because of all the 
     orientals there...the winner of the Nobel Prize last year & 
     Times man of the year was an oriental for his AIDS vaccine...
     the main reason orientals are looked down upon is due to
     their humbleness and belief in peace despite threats from
     non-orientals.

5.  Age: 29

6.  Gender: Male

7.  Last school grade completed?  Graduated with a double major
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In a message dated 3/8/0 3:45:31 AM, you wrote:

<<>With that, a hearty FUCK PLUR. I respect people on my own terms. I RESERVE
>the RIGHT to RESPECT or DISRESPECT as I see fit - that is what makes ME,
>HUMAN.
>
>
>cosinezero>>

ugh...that was one of the most massive pile of bullshit and
negativity i've ever read...with people like him, who needs 
skin heads?


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 05:00:26 2000
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:>in our world today, kids are pretty much given 3 viable
:>options to amuse themselves with...computers, video games, and violence
:
:With all due respect, I don't buy this argument. I used to hear it often in
:the college town where I grew up, despite the fact that there was actually
:plenty to do (especially compared to the entertainment options available in
:rural areas). I'm sure even kids in New York City complain that "there's
:nothing to do."
:
:>i
:>don't know how most of you grew up, but when i was a kid, video games and
:>computers were too expensive (not to mention my mother said they would rot
:>any creative ideas i had in my head...perhaps a bit extreme, but hey, it's
:>mom)...instead i ran track, played violin, climbed enough trees to have
:>perma-calluses on my hands and knees, hiked, fished, rode my bike enough
to
:>probably circle the earth a couple times, read waaay too much for my own
:>good, built stuff, took stuff apart...i used to be pretty damn good at
just
:>coming up with some obscure things to do to amuse myself...
:
:Unless things have really changed in the five years since I graduated from
:high school, all of these options are still available.


i'm not saying they aren't available anymore...i'm saying that *it seems to
me* as though most kids are so saturated by computers, video games and
violence that there aren't as many other creative options being explored
anymore...and don't assume that i think that no kids are creative anymore,
or that computers and video games are necessarily bad...just that in my own
way, i can see a corelation between kids being able to have the mental
capability to pick up a gun and shoot and kill their classmates, and what i
see as a decline in games and hobbies that develop more than just cold
technical skill....

i'm still not sure if you'll understand what i'm getting at with that
explanation, but it's the best way i can put it.

and yes, saying that other things to do aren't available anymore is utterly
ridiculous...i was in no way trying to infer that at all.

pixie



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I've done a lot of thinking tonight and here's what I came up with. I love 
those who I trust. I treat a stranger how I want to be treated.I believe that 
a stranger has a right to live. I won't cut down the stranger unless they 
want to cut me down or harm me somehow. I smile at strangers and share shit 
with my fellow man, but when the fellow man gets greedy I gotta let him know 
that he's no longer welcome. I remain peaceful unless a conflict comes at me, 
then I'm no longer able to be peaceful. I'm peaceful, not passive. I don't 
trust strangers and I don't love strangers. 

I believe that most people are corrupt. Want an example? My Uncle Marion 
Menning was in the Minnesota State Senate when he was only 24. Later he went 
on to run for Minnesota governor. While running he met the Vice-Pres of the 
US, Walter Mondale. You want to know what our dear Mr. Mondale told my uncle. 
"The people want to go one way, you go the other. You do what you want, why? 
Because you can." People in power are that corrupt and I've met plenty of 
other jerks on the street with the same mentality. CONCLUSION: I can't trust 
a stranger.

I don't have all the same beliefs as everyone else so I can't say that I 
believe in Untiy. Unity is a good idea but it can't be put into practice in 
my life at the current time. Right now I've lost faith in the natural 
goodness of mankind and today I stood at the crossroads of whether or not I 
was angry enough at someone that I wanted to risk assault charges or if I 
should just walk away. I walked but my anger was boiling over, I've witnessed 
the natural corruption in man and I know that PLUR does not exist. You want 
to know what does exist? Right and Wrong. That's all. If I smile at a 
stranger and they smile back, that to me is peace, a small amount of respect, 
and a small amount of unity. It shows that we're on the same wave-length of 
peacefulness and maybe you'll make a new friend that night but that's all it 
shows. It's not plur because I don't really love that person. So all you 
people hiding behind plur need to evaluate who you are and what you believe 
before you can trust everyone.

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don't you reserve the right to repect or disrespect people as you see fit?
it seems to me you feel you do.  And mentioning skinheads?  haven't you
thrown around some broad sweeping statements about race?  haven't you used
the term "sheisty" to describe other listmembers?  are you saying now that
these post were full of negativity and bullshit?

just wondering....

    -bill

p.s.  still waiting to hear from you what software you need to kickstart
your career.  i'll hook you up!


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>
> In a message dated 3/8/0 3:45:31 AM, you wrote:
>
> <<>With that, a hearty FUCK PLUR. I respect people on my own terms. I
RESERVE
> >the RIGHT to RESPECT or DISRESPECT as I see fit - that is what makes ME,
> >HUMAN.
> >
> >
> >cosinezero>>
>
> ugh...that was one of the most massive pile of bullshit and
> negativity i've ever read...with people like him, who needs
> skin heads?
>
>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 06:57:07 2000
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In a message dated 3/8/0 6:24:15 AM, wbunyan wrote:

<<don't you reserve the right to repect or disrespect people 
as you see fit? it seems to me you feel you do.  And 
mentioning skinheads?  haven't you thrown around some broad 
sweeping statements about race?  haven't you used the term 
"sheisty" to describe other listmembers?  are you saying now that

these post were full of negativity and bullshit?>>

huh?...i don't see how one could've drawn a more illogical 
string of questions from my original quirky two line post...
it's almost like me posting "wow, what a nice day" and you
asking: "are you saying all the other days sucked?"...
it seems your line of questions have more of a malicious
intent then to achieve any true incite into anything 
substantial.

i think i'll pass on getting pulled into another personal 
attack flame war, thank you very much.



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 07:23:39 2000
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It really wasn't an attempt to start a flame war....i don't understand you.
you contradict yourself at every turn.  I was really trying to get a grip on
why in reponse to a post that people have to earn the poster's respect, you
compare this to being a skinhead.  that really doesn't make sense to me.
especially given that you have passed judgement on many list members since
you recently resubscribed.  it seemed to me that you of all people would
agree with the sentiment in the post that was forwarded.  i didn't make up
the part about personal attacks you have made to other list members, this
was a word you have used recently to describe other list members.

i would say a better metaphor would be like you posting "wow, what a nice
day!" after having posted earlier "every day that has ever been and shall
ever be sucks!"

i would say making you actually stand by what you post is substantial, and
is not in anyway a personal attack. call it "personal accountability" if you
feel a need to label it. i don't always agree with what you post, but
respect your right to post it.  please don't accuse me of malicious intent
when i disagree with you.

    -bill

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>
> In a message dated 3/8/0 6:24:15 AM, wbunyan wrote:
>
> <<don't you reserve the right to repect or disrespect people
> as you see fit? it seems to me you feel you do.  And
> mentioning skinheads?  haven't you thrown around some broad
> sweeping statements about race?  haven't you used the term
> "sheisty" to describe other listmembers?  are you saying now that
>
> these post were full of negativity and bullshit?>>
>
> huh?...i don't see how one could've drawn a more illogical
> string of questions from my original quirky two line post...
> it's almost like me posting "wow, what a nice day" and you
> asking: "are you saying all the other days sucked?"...
> it seems your line of questions have more of a malicious
> intent then to achieve any true incite into anything
> substantial.
>
> i think i'll pass on getting pulled into another personal
> attack flame war, thank you very much.
>
>
>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 07:30:39 2000
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not as a direct response to stevie, but rather to the original post, if you
turn an ideal into an acronym, how can it not lose some of it's meaning?
ideals do not require shorthand.

    -bill


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>
> In a message dated 3/8/0 6:24:15 AM, wbunyan wrote:
>
> <<don't you reserve the right to repect or disrespect people
> as you see fit? it seems to me you feel you do.  And
> mentioning skinheads?  haven't you thrown around some broad
> sweeping statements about race?  haven't you used the term
> "sheisty" to describe other listmembers?  are you saying now that
>
> these post were full of negativity and bullshit?>>
>
> huh?...i don't see how one could've drawn a more illogical
> string of questions from my original quirky two line post...
> it's almost like me posting "wow, what a nice day" and you
> asking: "are you saying all the other days sucked?"...
> it seems your line of questions have more of a malicious
> intent then to achieve any true incite into anything
> substantial.
>
> i think i'll pass on getting pulled into another personal
> attack flame war, thank you very much.
>
>
>
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>     homeless, you don't even count as a statistic, when the census
>     comes around, they won't be asking all the homeless people
>     how they're living...

actually, the census DOES try to include as many homeless as they can find, 
to get a more accurate count.  they do indeed count as a statistic, just 
like anyone else.

where else would you get your figures of the "number of homeless people in 
america", eh?

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**Thank god for water balloon
launchers!**

I always had a penchant for those potato canons. Those were sweet.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 09:00:54 2000
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welcome to the club scene, baby.  fun thing to do next
time ya go....spot the undercover (gotta be empty
handed), let 'em hit ya up for a pill a couple of
times, then laugh in his face and tell him no one is
gonna sell to him cuz everyone knows...he disappears
fast.  =)


>Has anyone from Michigan gone to Science yet. If not
dont go it's the
>shittiest techno club in Michigan.  Dont waste your
money.  There's a $15
>cover which sucks but i do pay at other clubs but the
other ones are
>worth it.  Water cost fucking $3.  The crowd is only
locals. There are numerous under cover cops dressed
>like one of us, always trying to catch you selling
pills.  You constantly have bouncers flashing
>flashlights at you making sure you are not drinking
if under age or taking something, which does
> happen at other clubs but this one is a over kill. 
The only good
>thing about it is Bones plays there the first friday
of every month. His set
>was hella tight.

>Just expressing my opionion, and giving out a
warning.

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Sixtybus@aol.com wrote:

> yeah, that's right.
> trance eats my ass.  especially wussy trance.  you hear me?
> know what's fun?  stabbing a fork in your eye.

So what's the next big musical obsession going to be in the
midwest?

We've been through House.
Happy Hardcore
Trance
Ritchie Hawtin

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>>So what's the next big musical obsession going to be in the
midwest?

Acid Polka.

Jim

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Well, this is my final post on this thread as I think
the arguments have run their course.  I have learned
some interesting new stuff.

And no, I was not talking about you when I mentioned
the personal attacks.  I only got a few of those and
they were by private email only.

Even though we don't see completely eye to eye, I
respect you point of view.  Without diversity of
thought, the world (or the mw-raves list, in
particular) would be a pretty boring place.

--Will

--- CCeallaigh@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 03/07/2000 4:49:33 PM Eastern
> Standard Time, 
> insanityfr@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> > Yes and no.  The way you say it infers that they
> >  should give up their dreams and aspirations.  I'm
> just
> >  saying that instead of living off of the rest of
> us
> >  they could maybe work for a living to support
> their
> >  art themselves.
> 
> I understand your frustration here.  I really do. 
> The thing is, speaking 
> from a dancer's perspective, the amount of time you
> have to put in each day 
> in order to truly be serious about your art, leaves
> virtually no time for a 
> regular job.  I am not trying to speak for painters,
> sculpters, etc. as I do 
> not know what they put in each day.  When I was
> dancing, I was in the studio 
> and theater anywhere from 40-50 hours a week.  It
> was a fulltime job.  And 
> the pay wasn't that great either.  I had to work on
> the side when I had time 
> to, and that was with funding towards the company I
> was dancing with from the 
> NEA.
> 
> >  I think you're the only one who understands what
> I'm
> >  trying to get across.  Even if you disagree, at
> least
> >  your listening.  You're also one of the few that
> >  hasn't resorted to emailing me with personal
> attacks
> >  rather than thought out counterpoints.
> >  
> >  We're you a debater in high school or college, by
> >  chance?
> 
> Did I personally attack you in a serious manner?  I
> apologize if I did.  This 
> is an issue of deep personal meaning to me and I
> tend to get angry.
> 
> >  >  Most of histories great artists were never
> publicly
> >  funded.  They did what they did out of a love for
> art
> >  and not for money.  Why is so horrible to earn
> your
> >  own income and support your art yourself?
> 
> When you're in need of money, you'll take it
> practically anywhere you can get 
> it.  Don't assume that all artists funded by the NEA
> are just sitting on 
> their asses fingerpainting every couple of years
> when the government sends 
> them a check.  Many artists have other "real" jobs. 
> The funding from the NEA 
> is merely a helping hand.  There is really very
> little money going to the 
> arts from them at the moment.  The biggest
> contributor to the dance world 
> right now is Phillip Morris, the tobacco company. 
> Don't think they haven't 
> gotten some serious flack for that.  And isn't the
> desire of just about 
> everyone to find something they love and do it for a
> living?  We're also 
> neglecting the NEH which will get cut right along
> with the NEA, which means 
> many museums and libraries will be gone.
> 
> >  
> >  and we're writing a new chapter in the world
> today: 
> >  "The Golden Age of Cynicism and Consumerism."
> >  
> >  History always repeats itself.  There'll be
> another
> >  renaissance someday...and it won't be because the
> >  government decides to increase the NEA's spending
> cap.
> 
> I hope you're right.  I really do.
> 
> >  
> >  What if the rave culture started going extinct. 
> >  Surely, it's a culture well worth remembering. 
> Do you
> >  think that the government would fork over money
> to
> >  keep all the DJ's and promoters from starving? 
> No.
> >  
> >  So why does the NEA support arts like ballet, but
> >  would not support electronic music?  Because they
> >  don't have to.  If, like you say, without
> government
> >  funding an art will die then the government is
> >  effectively censoring those arts...assuming
> you're
> >  correct (I'm not cynical enough to believe you
> are).
> 
> How do you know they won't?  Have you tried?  I
> can't remember exactly but I 
> know that under tax laws or something to that
> effect, DJs are considered 
> musicians.  Producers and the like could, in effect,
> get funding from the 
> NEA.  I'm not trying to say that the NEA and the NEH
> are perfect or even that 
> I like the fact that it has to be a government
> organization to do the giving, 
> it's just something that I think we as human
> citizens deserve.
> Kelly

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--- Steviet069@aol.com wrote:
> 4.  Orientals are smarter than non-orientals? 
> Actually, 
>      statistically it's already been proven
> orientals have a 
>      higher IQ than non-orientals...and the Japanese
> have the 
>      highest IQ for orientals...you can check the
> Guiness Book of 
>      World Records...it's a fact...despite white
> people trying to 
>      oppress non-whites through biased SAT tests and
> white
>      owned corporations that would only promote
> whites...hell, 

Damn!  Foiled again!  And we would've gotten away with
it too if it weren't for those darned slanty eyed
"hare-lipped" kids!

Just my un-PC Scooby Doo Joke of the Day...

Setting my stop watch to see how fast Stevie can call
me a racist...
--Will


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March 25th Dayton ohio   
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i got my presale last night :)~~~~


and another question... why wouldnt you get presale tix when available???  
i mean come on.. ive passed up many hours of lines just by having presale and 
they are alot cheaper to and your gaurenteed entrance.... well most of the 
time anyway


Positve2 is gonna fuckin rock... be afraid be very afraid  


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In a message dated 3/8/0 8:35:32 AM, blitz666 wrote:

<<your wrong here the last and final phase of the census 
taking involves going out in to the streets and missions and 
attempting a count of the homeless and they will be given 
the same form to fill out as Joe Schmoe at 1999 Spring Street
...they can even ask for special instruction on how to fill it
out.>>

wow, this was the only part you had a disagreement upon
from my entire response shannon?...especially in light of
all the other issues i touched upon including: the threat 
of homosexual and the mentally ill, and the intelligence
of orientals vs. non-orientals.

i think the key word here is "attempt"...kind of like most
presidents "attempt" to go into their terms with the 
intent of keeping their promises...but after being over
whelmed with the immense complexity of the job combined
with the perpetual scrutiny of the public eye as well as
their adversaries, they are forced into making some 
comprimises...

the census makes an attempt to reach the underclass and
the homeless in that it may pass out the forms at missions
and homeless shelters...however, where most of the homeless
actually live...under highways, on park benches, in hidden
alleys, literally "underground" in hidden subway areas,  alot
of runaway teens live in crackhouses or as unregistered
tenants, and another sad issue is that many underclass can
not even afford an education to learn to read or write because
english was not their first language (yet they work in the fields,
in the factories or sweatshops, clean people's houses, do yard 
work, sell trinkets on street corners, sell themselves on street 
corners)

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your stupid ass aol email isnt werking, keeps giving me fatal errors, gimme another email to reach you!!
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it appears that legend420@collegeclub.com has a full inbox

twits

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In a message dated 3/8/0 7:31:21 AM, wbunyan wrote:

<<if you turn an ideal into an acronym, how can it not lose 
some of it's meaning? ideals do not require shorthand.>>

i don't think the original purveyors of peace, love, unity, 
and respect at raves ever intended to have their ideals
squashed into an acronym...it was the simple minded people
that truncated it...and as a result completely diminishing
their original beliefs and bastardizing it into a stereotype 
as a code for candyravers when it couldn't be further from
the truth...kind of like the global crisis that occured when it 
was  learned that truncating the year into two digits would 
have such an ill effect on computers once it hit y2k!


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In a message dated 3/8/0 3:51:29 PM, you wrote:

<<Your message

To:      mw-raves@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re:  Re: Re: [mw] PLUR rebuttal

did not reach the following recipient(s):

legend420@collegeclub.com on 3/8/00 7:51:18 AM>>

this i getting annoying...hey chad, can u boot this fool

anybody wanna wager bout wha happened to this guy?

a) he wuz too high to write down his password when
    he created the account
b) he od'ed
c) his friends left him at a party
d) the "goodtimes" virus finally worked!
e) he's in jail
f) the aliens got him
g) his computer was not march2k compliant


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>>>So what's the next big musical obsession going to be in the
>midwest?
>


Hmm..well i don't know..but i was at a party in Columbus this past
weekend....and you crazy cats were going crazy to that Deliverance Banjo
song being played on the dex. I was like WTF is going on out here. Everyone
loved it!! everyone was screaming and dancing!!
You strange people. but I like you.

Oh and yes pussy trance sucks.*barf*



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In a message dated 03/08/2000 10:04:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
Trancedanz@aol.com writes:

<< I'll see you all there.
 The place where you lose yourself >>

  Yeah, we'll all get lost in the Dayton Gym Club.   =)

    ~Tara

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 16:26:21 2000
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At 23:20 7-3-00 -0500, you wrote:

>These are real teachers accused from anything from touching a child on the 
>wrist (as abuse)to being persecuted for their relgious orientation 
>(practicing Wicca- and not in the classroom).

I get my hug on with my students all the time. I think I'd be sued to death 
if I taught in the US.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 16:35:12 2000
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I think you botched the address, actually.. I believe it's XxCaNdIEeeMDMAeetardEkIDxX@aol.com

How's anyone supposed to remember which random letters get capitalized? Other than E's of course..
Those are a given.



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 16:36:57 2000
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email addresses are not case sensitive, even on AOL (imagine that)

-t

-----Original Message-----
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I think you botched the address, actually.. I believe it's
XxCaNdIEeeMDMAeetardEkIDxX@aol.com

How's anyone supposed to remember which random letters get capitalized?
Other than E's of course..
Those are a given.



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 08 16:51:09 2000
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>the census makes an attempt to reach the underclass and
>the homeless in that it may pass out the forms at missions
>and homeless shelters...however, where most of the homeless
>actually live...under highways, on park benches, in hidden
>alleys, literally "underground" in hidden subway areas,

this is true, but to criticize this point is futile. Statistical measures 
can only estimate at almost anything that pertains to most deviances. Take, 
for example, the underreported rate of abuse, vice crimes, family crime, 
etc. However, estimates by statisticians can be very helpful in determining 
the approximate scope of the problem.

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   I just made the switch from a vestax 03A to a pioneer djm-600----big 
difference----even the sound.  My music comes outta my speakers cleaner---I 
think I'm gonna stick with pioneer from now on.. recomended to everyone.
Eric
>Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:55:18 -0800 (PST)
>
>I just thought I'd let you all know of a mixer I just got.
>
>I replaced my Vestax PMC-03A with a Pioneer DJM-300-S
>
>Wow, what a difference.  Very easy to work with.  Good low, mid, and high
>pots... nice fader and very solid construction.
>
>good headphone output and VERY good for recording.
>
>It even has BPM readouts... but that doesn't really help much.  I suppose
>if I was doing CD mixes it might... but otherwise it isn't much help.
>What really helps is the different headphone monitor output schema...
>makes working out the minute problems, a thing of the past... :)
>
>VERY highly recommended.
>
>Love,
>   Nick
>
>P.S. -If anyone wants to buy an older, but perfectly working MTX mixer.
>Hit me up privately. :)  I'll give you more detail.  $50 is what i'm
>askin'.
>
>
>
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WWJD?

flame on,
greg

Tad Ghostal wrote:

> not as a direct response to stevie, but rather to the original post, if you
> turn an ideal into an acronym, how can it not lose some of it's meaning?
> ideals do not require shorthand.
>
>     -bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Steviet069@aol.com>
> To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [mw] PLUR rebuttal
>
> >
> > In a message dated 3/8/0 6:24:15 AM, wbunyan wrote:
> >
> > <<don't you reserve the right to repect or disrespect people
> > as you see fit? it seems to me you feel you do.  And
> > mentioning skinheads?  haven't you thrown around some broad
> > sweeping statements about race?  haven't you used the term
> > "sheisty" to describe other listmembers?  are you saying now that
> >
> > these post were full of negativity and bullshit?>>
> >
> > huh?...i don't see how one could've drawn a more illogical
> > string of questions from my original quirky two line post...
> > it's almost like me posting "wow, what a nice day" and you
> > asking: "are you saying all the other days sucked?"...
> > it seems your line of questions have more of a malicious
> > intent then to achieve any true incite into anything
> > substantial.
> >
> > i think i'll pass on getting pulled into another personal
> > attack flame war, thank you very much.
> >
> >
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>>WWJD?

WRONG!  It's:

WWBBD?

:)

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My favorite statistics always sound something like:
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For God's sake someone tell them before it's too
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> 
> this is true, but to criticize this point is futile.
> Statistical measures 
> can only estimate at almost anything that pertains
> to most deviances. Take, 
> for example, the underreported rate of abuse, vice
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Boppity wrote:

> >>So what's the next big musical obsession going to be in the
> midwest?
>
> Acid Polka.

Actually, some friends and I have come up with some
great ideas for new genres:

Booty Twang: booty with that country-western flair!
Polkacore: Polka on 45 (or 72)
Twangcore: Self-explanatory

The thing is, there are people sick enough to actually
spin these things if they were created.  :)



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>>The thing is, there are people sick enough to actually spin these things 
>>if they were created.  :)

Nah...that's not the sick part.  Spinning is just a job, a service.  If it 
exists, someone will spin it.  What is scary is that there are people sick 
enough to want to HEAR those types of music!  hehehehe

Of course...I'd kill to see an entire square dance club of senior citizen 
rolling their asses off.  :)

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Where is Pure and Afterburner?  Little me, not being 21, would like to try 
out other places than Motor, Ignition, or Science (though I haven't been to 
Science yet).  Info is appreciated!

ad

>From: "Ira M. Bargon III" <i3bargon@briefcase.com>

>Try Afterburner, it's cool as hell.  They open around 2am i think well that 
>the time i got there and there was a line. The cover is 20 which sucks 
>seing that if your going there that late you probably already been 
>somewhere else.  Pure is cool as hell. My favorite is Ignition.  Which is 
>only saturdays.  They crowd there is by far the best i have seen, everyone 
>is friendly, i have never seeen a fight there and i go about every saturday 
>since last summer.  The women rank up ther with Motor i would say better.  
>They only stay open till 2.  The D.J. is tight, he's nothing special but 
>good enough.  A good mix mostly house, some trance, but they mix in a small 
>amount of rap and popular metal (Korn for example).  I have never left 
>there and said that i didnt have a great time.


>From:    Brian B@poka.net

>PURE is the best club in Detroit currently, but is at least $20 and more to 
>enter after 11:30.
>Where else can a group of 15 people party besides the generic clubs like 
>MOTOR or SCIENCE.
>Some of us are still under 21 while most of our group are late 20 
>somethings.
>PLMK if there are other options for our group on Fridays.
>This friday 3-10-00 in particular we have over twenty planning a club hop 
>in a limo.
>Any ideas would be appreciated!

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In a message dated 3/8/00 11:43:42 AM Central Standard Time, 
boppity@hotmail.com writes:

<< Of course...I'd kill to see an entire square dance club of senior citizen 
 rolling their asses off.  :) >>

Not me.
I remember on thanksgiving when we were passing around the bread, my grandpa 
said "These are very good rolls!" and I did all I could to keep from 
laughing, but then I got a vivid mental image of my grandpa rolling, and 
quickly put an end to that one!  


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Adam Ierymenko wrote:

> Booty Twang: booty with that country-western flair!
> Polkacore: Polka on 45 (or 72)
> Twangcore: Self-explanatory

I'm pushing for Japanese Dancehall (ru boyu! rikashat! hai!)


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I have a friend that is looking for a track.

I have personally heard it alot so I know it's not new.  It is housey with a 
breaky break in the middle.

The lyics go something like " I, I, I gotta know "

She heard it on a Feelgood Tape.

Any help would be greatly appeciated
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>We've been through House.
Seen that...

>Happy Hardcore
>Trance

Did I miss something???
I dont ever recall the MW being obsessed with either of these styles.

>Ritchie Hawtin

we've been here for over 4 years (that and any techno djs).


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I heard that Pure is only for high rollers.  What i heard was you actuall=
y have to buy a membership to get in their for some ridicolus price.  Hav=
e you been there is this true.
I would also like to check it out.

Is Aftermath really owned by Detroit Cops.




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Pure is Off woodward just south of the Fox on the other side of the stree=
t.
PURE is strictly over 21. and unless your in line by 11, you probably wil=
l have
to buy attention from the doorman.

Are you looking for Afterburner or AFTERMATH. A friend of mine owns AM. i=
t's in
Detroit off of Hoover.

LMK and I verify exacts.

Adrienne Rahhal wrote:

> Where is Pure and Afterburner?  Little me, not being 21, would like to =
try
> out other places than Motor, Ignition, or Science (though I haven't bee=
n to
> Science yet).  Info is appreciated!
>
> ad
>
> >From: "Ira M. Bargon III" <i3bargon@briefcase.com>
>
> >Try Afterburner, it's cool as hell.  They open around 2am i think well=
 that
> >the time i got there and there was a line. The cover is 20 which sucks
> >seing that if your going there that late you probably already been
> >somewhere else.  Pure is cool as hell. My favorite is Ignition.  Which=
 is
> >only saturdays.  They crowd there is by far the best i have seen, ever=
yone
> >is friendly, i have never seeen a fight there and i go about every sat=
urday
> >since last summer.  The women rank up ther with Motor i would say bett=
er.
> >They only stay open till 2.  The D.J. is tight, he's nothing special b=
ut
> >good enough.  A good mix mostly house, some trance, but they mix in a =
small
> >amount of rap and popular metal (Korn for example).  I have never left
> >there and said that i didnt have a great time.
>
> >From:    Brian B@poka.net
>
> >PURE is the best club in Detroit currently, but is at least $20 and mo=
re to
> >enter after 11:30.
> >Where else can a group of 15 people party besides the generic clubs li=
ke
> >MOTOR or SCIENCE.
> >Some of us are still under 21 while most of our group are late 20
> >somethings.
> >PLMK if there are other options for our group on Fridays.
> >This friday 3-10-00 in particular we have over twenty planning a club =
hop
> >in a limo.
> >Any ideas would be appreciated!
>
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On Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:01:24 CST, Eric Yeager wrote:

>   I just made the switch from a vestax 03A to a pioneer djm-600----big 
>difference----even the sound.  My music comes outta my speakers cleaner---I 
>think I'm gonna stick with pioneer from now on.. recomended to everyone.
>Eric


I have to agree.

I used my small sound system for the 2nd room at
a couple of parties recently.  At the first one, we
used a Numark DM1820X, which I generally
thought was decent mixer.  The system sounded
OK, but not amazing.  It would distort considerably
when the levels were too high.

At the 2nd party, we used a Pioneer DJM-300.
The sound was incredibly clear and crisp even
when running at high levels.

However, I don't know if  can attribute all of the
increased sound quality yo the mixer.  I was also
using a different amplifier.  

The first time, it was a Carver PM 1.5
At the 2nd show, we used a Mackie FR-2600.

The power on the Mackie was quite a bit more than
the Carver, but even with the extra power, the system
still sounded sweet.  So, maybe it was the mixer after all.

Anyway...it still comes down to the fact that the
Pioneer mixers are awesome.  And, needless to
say, I recommend the Mackie amps too.

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>From the original poster specially for you Stevie. His e-mail addy is at
the bottom, so please don't flood my mailbox with your pointless,
unintelligent drivel.

fergus :)

>Please forward this to whatever list it came from(since I can't post to it
>anyways):
>
>
>:ugh...that was one of the most massive pile of bullshit and
>:negativity i've ever read...with people like him, who needs
>:skin heads?
>
>-->This is gonna have to be my new .sig file.
>
>
>:ideals do not require shorthand.
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>-->Ha! This too. I love this one. It's so... anti-corporate.
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>
>
>:i don't think the original purveyors of peace, love, unity,
>:and respect at raves ever intended to have their ideals
>:squashed into an acronym...it was the simple minded people
>:that truncated it...and as a result completely diminishing
>:their original beliefs and bastardizing it into a stereotype
>:as a code for candyravers when it couldn't be further from
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>
>-->So what he's saying is he agrees with what I said, but he's too trendy to
>admit to it... since - "it was the simple minded people that truncated
>it..." - pretty much sums my tirade up.
>
>
>kind of like the global crisis that occured when it
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>:have such an ill effect on computers once it hit y2k!
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like peeing in strong breeze;

it may feel refreshing but it's hard to avoid getting sprayed yourself.


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does anyone know when marco carola was at karma in chicago?

also when was dave angel at karma?


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my whole extremely "smart" view on everything that is related to the scene... 
plur... the "undergroundness" of raves... candyravers.... old skool, new 
skool, preskool :) is summed up into this:


The scene is what you make it to be.



thank you.
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um, do u mean...

confucious say:

"when pee in wind, one likely to get pee on face!"

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last one, promise!  =)

join us on friday, march 10, 2000 at the university of michigan league
underground for the 7th installment of STATE:AWAKE, featuring

KID ENTROPY (vs. KEVIN CUNNINGHAM?) - semiconscious/cosmic breaks/black
monolith/fear recordings/alpha wave/i-have-too-many-affiliations, inc. -
chicago IL  [style:jungle]

ZUPERMAN vs. RONIN - kinetics/champion sound - detroit MI  [style:jungle]

DJ SLY - lethal crew - ann arbor MI  [style:jungle]

VIPAT - something or other - ann arbor MI  [style:jungle]


admission is FREE, everybody's welcome (as long as you don't plan to be a
dumbass on university property), party goes from 9pm-1am so get there
early.

more info/directions: http://state.awake.freeservers.com
questions/comments: state.awake@umich.edu

!!ALSO!! don't forget to enter the "i want to be kid entropy's and kevin
cunningham's groupie" contest!!  to do so, you must follow them to detroit
after their ann arbor gig, more details will await you there.  
state:awake patrons will find maps to RESPIRATION in detroit, which will
feature KID ENTROPY/KEVIN CUNNINGHAM, DEREK PLASLAIKO, HUGH C., ADAM
CARUSO, BASSICK, MELODY, and DJ TEDDY.  info:  734.480.3949. show the map
at the door and get a special "i want to be kid entropy's and kevin
cunningham's groupie" DISCOUNT!

that's right.  so make a night of it, you wouldn't want to miss your
chance to win the contest and carry around entro's and k.c.'s rekkids all
night, now would you.


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dj trevor lamont sed:

<<The lyics go something like " I, I, I gotta know ">>

not sure of the track, but it kinda sounds like the 
sample is from an old information society song, it 
goes..."i gotta know, what you're thinking...if there's
something on your mind..."

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hit me back please.... i gosta a question for ya regarding 3/18

jim

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oh brother

doris stupity is a thin line and i just think you crossed it

who would want to carry around kevin cum-in-my-hand records besides you
the hardcore raver

=)

-g ruve

----- Original Message -----
From: "doris" <dpayer@umich.edu>

> last one, promise!  =)
>
> join us on friday, march 10, 2000 at the university of michigan league
> underground for the 7th installment of STATE:AWAKE, featuring
>
> KID ENTROPY (vs. KEVIN CUNNINGHAM?) - semiconscious/cosmic breaks/black
> monolith/fear recordings/alpha wave/i-have-too-many-affiliations, inc. -
> chicago IL  [style:jungle]
>
> ZUPERMAN vs. RONIN - kinetics/champion sound - detroit MI  [style:jungle]
>
> DJ SLY - lethal crew - ann arbor MI  [style:jungle]
>
> VIPAT - something or other - ann arbor MI  [style:jungle]
>
>
> admission is FREE, everybody's welcome (as long as you don't plan to be a
> dumbass on university property), party goes from 9pm-1am so get there
> early.
>
> more info/directions: http://state.awake.freeservers.com
> questions/comments: state.awake@umich.edu
>
> !!ALSO!! don't forget to enter the "i want to be kid entropy's and kevin
> cunningham's groupie" contest!!  to do so, you must follow them to detroit
> after their ann arbor gig, more details will await you there.
> state:awake patrons will find maps to RESPIRATION in detroit, which will
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> >>>So what's the next big musical obsession going to be in the
> >midwest?
> >

    Seriously I'd say oldschool could make a comeback. ('91-42 UK 'ardcore
stuff) Hoverproject played at frostbite here in Minneapolis and I've heard
alot of people talk about it since then, it really went off well! We'll be
testing the waters some more here with oldschool jungle and UK 'ardcore at
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no doubt, here in columbus, ohio, the music selection
at clubs and parties have been oversaturated with
house, jungle, and minimal techno...but trance dj's
are hardly booked around here...it's a gem to see
a good trance dj spin out here...in addition, i think
trance is often confused with minimal techno

another point is old school trance *is* boring,
however the newer stuff coming out of the UK and
Germany is phenomenal...so it also depends on the
flavor of trance as well as the dj skillz...

saying, "trance sucks" is just ignorant without
doing all the proper research.

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><<The lyics go something like " I, I, I gotta know ">>
>
>not sure of the track, but it kinda sounds like the
>sample is from an old information society song, it
>goes..."i gotta know, what you're thinking...if there's
>something on your mind..."

if that is the track in question.. the information society song is 'pure
energy'
whether that helps or not, i dunno.

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Eye-D <eye-d@gmx.net> wrote:

>I get my hug on with my students all the time. I think I'd be sued to death=
=20
>if I taught in the US.

My fianc=E9e used to teach at a nursery school... according to her, the
policy was that teachers could only hug students with one arm. Two-arm hugs
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If you have not heard already . . . there is a new record shop in the
Midwest that carries all the latest in House, Trance, Techno, Drum and
Bass, Downtempo, Underground Hip-Hop and all other genres of music.  We
also do equipment rental and sales that crush any competitors price . .
. in fact everything that we carry crushes the competitors price.  We
carry all types of dj accessories and goodies . . . anything and
everything a dj could ever want.  We also do special orders and have
extremely good hook-ups with distributors . . . in fact we can locate
almost anything . . . test us!  We are located in the Cincinnati area
just 5 minutes from downtown.  Here is all the contact info. you need .
. . so come check us out or drop us an email.

Hot Wax "the dj wreck shop"
5 East 8th St.
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ph: 606.261.8880
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Directions from 75 South: Take 75 to the 5th St. Covington exit.  Take a
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If you need better directions just give us a call.  Dj Boom Bip is your
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We also take mix-tapes and promote all parties . . . no prejudice
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Help support your local record shop and rave scene.  Peace.

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I think it's funny that trance is so disliked around
the midwest.  Considering it's basically house with
a complex melody, I don't think you can say trance
sucks without saying house sucks.  And if you say
house sucks.. well you might as well say it all sucks
and start listening to country or something.

Most of the trance I've heard being spun 
around the midwest is pretty bland.  That doesn't
mean all trance is that way.  Check out DJ Doran
or Kimball Collins and you'll get a taste for real
trance.  I've really never heard anybody say they
didn't like Doran's 'Monuments'.  It has to be
one of the best mixes ever made.  

There's plenty of bland trance out there, but saying
the entire genre sucks is a bit ridiculous.  I don't
really like jungle too much, but I definitely respect
it as an artform.  

peace
dj chrisp



On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:11:52 EST, Steviet069@aol.com wrote:

>  no doubt, here in columbus, ohio, the music selection
>  at clubs and parties have been oversaturated with
>  house, jungle, and minimal techno...but trance dj's
>  are hardly booked around here...it's a gem to see
>  a good trance dj spin out here...in addition, i think
>  trance is often confused with minimal techno
>  
>  another point is old school trance *is* boring,
>  however the newer stuff coming out of the UK and
>  Germany is phenomenal...so it also depends on the
>  flavor of trance as well as the dj skillz...
>  
>  saying, "trance sucks" is just ignorant without
>  doing all the proper research.
>  
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I'm interested in asking people who work  for (or own) production companies 
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At 19:45 8-3-00 -0500, you wrote:

>My fianc=E9e used to teach at a nursery school... according to her, the=20
>policy was that teachers could only hug students with one arm. Two-arm=20
>hugs were strictly prohibited.

No ass-grabbing, huh?

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    Well,  I'm an old-skool raver and I belive in PLUR.  I don't preach it, I 
just belive in it inside of myself.  It goes along with the whole concept of 
'treating others as you would like to be treated yourself."  
    I'm not saying I'm going to go run around loving and respecting everyone, 
let's be serious here.  
    You're right,  'back in the day'  it was felt and not said, but what does 
it matter if a few 'new-skool' kidz decided to put a name to it.  Half the 
'new-skool' kidz now don't even know what the f*ck PLUR is.  It's just 
something that you hold inside yourself and believe in.   Remember,  actions 
speak louder than words.  Preaching won't do you jack if actions don't back 
it up.
    
    -Why is it every 'raving mailing list' has a war about PLUR...  I can 
drag up old posts on DC raves from years ago about the same sh!t...  Get over 
it...  either you belive in it, or you don't.  Each to his own.

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Well,  I'm an old-skool raver and I belive in PLUR.  I don't preach it, I 
just belive in it inside of myself.  It goes along with the whole concept of 
'treating others as you would like to be treated yourself."  
    I'm not saying I'm going to go run around loving and respecting everyone, 
let's be serious here.  
    You're right,  'back in the day'  it was felt and not said, but what does 
it matter if a few 'new-skool' kidz decided to put a name to it.  Half the 
'new-skool' kidz now don't even know what the f*ck PLUR is.  It's just 
something that you hold inside yourself and believe in.   Remember,  actions 
speak louder than words.  Preaching won't do you jack if actions don't back 
it up.
    
    -Why is it every 'raving mailing list' has a war about PLUR...  I can 
drag up old posts on DC raves from years ago about the same sh!t...  Get over 
it...  either you belive in it, or you don't.  Each to his own.

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if you say so... but what the hell does that mean?

PLUR,
greg

Boppity wrote:

> >>WWJD?
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> WRONG!  It's:
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> WWBBD?
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friday march 10th
bloomington,indiana
muzique boutique presents:
FOOLS GOLD
featuring the talent of...
COLETTE/GENIUS INSANITY/CHICAGO....for those of you that have not seen colette,she sings while she mixes a style of tech house.
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----- Original Message -----
From: William Adams <insanityfr@yahoo.com>

: I agree that PBS is alot better than alot of the stuff
: on Public Television.  I'm not calling for it's being
: shut down, just better managed.  Take every show
: you've EVER seen on PBS and then think how it might
: take over 300 million dollars per year to make them,
: distribute and broadcast them.
:
: Case in point:  was it really necessary for them to go
: digital LONG before ANY of the other networks?  It's a
: blatant waste of taxpayer money.  If they would've
: waited for, say, 5 more years the technology would've
: been cheaper and maybe more than .0001% of people
: would have a digital television

The reason PBS went digital first is because it was the Government's test to
see how the hardware, software, etc, worked before the FCC passed a law
forcing ALL stations to be broadcasting digital signals by 2003. They are
government funded, so they get to be the government's broadcast guinea pig.
It makes sense to me.
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"mike @ full spectrum" wrote:

> oh brother
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> doris stupity is a thin line and i just think you crossed it

            ^^^^^


how ironnic

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House of Babylon BROductions of Indpls &
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PANTY RAiD
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This is the OFFICIAL pre-party to THE PLEASURE
DOME and will feature quality talent at affordable
prices!

The DJs Freakin' tha System for the night are:

DJ DEEON  (Dancemania/Roule) Chicago
Fuck DJ FUNK!  This is the real ghetto GodFather!  Aside from
being one of the better of all the booty house DJs, Deeon's
production qualities are also high in quality!   "Work It!"
"All The Freaks" and "Disko" are all top-notch productions
and his new release on Thomas Bangalter's ROULE is
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FRANKiE VEGA (Mushgroove(chicago)/Remains (nyc) - Chicago
This man has finally arrived!  Having thrown events in and around
the Chicago land area for some years, now, Frankie has also
graced the world with his driving and funky techno.  With his
SENSITIVE USE EP soon to be released on New York's
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MAZi (UC Afterhours/Subliminal) - Chicago
Man o' Man!  If you are a house jock then I imagine you have
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His sound is pure jack!  His beats exemplify "peak hour!"  Tonight,
Indy will be blessed with a stellar house performance out-of-this
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THREEJAY (UndaGround Elements/The Pros) - Chicago
His parties are constantly evolving.  And so is his DJing.
Come witness the penacle of Chicago House with this
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SHIVA (Goddess Complex/SUBterror) - Indy
The goddess herself -- To be feared and WORSHIPPED!
Fuck what Bo knows, Shiva knows techno.  She was born
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from the ashes of techno to be reborn!  The Goddess has
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JAEDE (SistaJade Entertainment) - Indy
We are always looking for new talent.  And here ya go -- Jaede. His
trance is some of the most beautiful out there.  (and ladies, look at
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CHARLES PAUL (SistaJade Entertainment) - Indy
Trance Trance Trance.  He'll show you how it's done!


10-11 Charles Paul
11-12 Jaede
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Doors open @ 10PM
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>>if you say so... but what the hell does that mean?

WWBBD? = What would Brian Boitano do? !!!!!!  :)  LOL.  :)

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Sista' Jade Entertainment and the
House of Babylon Broductions of
Indianapolis combine efforts once
more to bring you closer to higher
states of EUPHORIA:


THE PLEASURE DOME
Saturday, March 18, 2000


Indianapolis Indiana


You will be pleasured by the following talent:

***********ALERT!! ALERT!! ALERT!!*************
The PLEASURE DOME has now added to its al-
ready impressive line-up a surprise HEADLINING
DJ TALENT!!!  That's right, aside from the DJs
listed below, we've added a special over-seas
headlining DJ!!!  Who could it be???  Cari
Lekebusch??  DJ Lars???  Huggy??? Stefan
Manceau???  Guess you'll have to find out for
yourself, Saturday March 18th -- Indianapolis!!!!
********************************************************
The Allies, (Montreal, Quebec, Canada)
A-TRAK  1997 World DMC Champion, 1999 Vestex Champion
At the ripe age of 15, A-Track stunned the world as he
became the 1997 World Mixing Champion.  Tonight,
making his first Indy appearance.  A-Track is gonna rip
it up, showing you the meaning of the words "turntablist"
and "tricknologist"!  An inspiration to many aspiring to
obtain his skill and proficiency, you will never look at
Battle DJing the same way again!


Buzz - Fever (Washington, DC)
SCOTT HENRY True progressive heads know this man!
They worship this man!  Tonight, you'll see why, as he
tears down the walls with his techno-laced progressive
beats!  Imagine bliss peppered with a dash of funk!
Scott hasn't played here in a long time, but we welcome
him back with loving arms.  A truly pleasurable aural experience!


(611 Records - Philly)
NIGEL RICHARDS The man responsible for one of the
better-ran and managed record stores in US history returns
after a long sympatico from Indy to bang it techno style.
Incorporating some of today and tomorrow's best techno
tracks and mixing it effortless with funky house.  It is unlikely
you will leave the dance floor dry! Euphoria's home is right here!


(House of Styles, Pittsburg, PA)
PRODUCT 19 Playing hard techno like nobody's mama!
A special treat for all the good little boys and girls from
the House of Styles crew in Pittsburg.  Product 19 has
eclipsed many before him in his daring techno selections
and ability to program the dancefloor into a frenzy!


(House of Babylon (Indy)/The Pros(Chicago)Log 2 Sound System)
CHOCOLATE THE FREAKY AFRO-NAUT The virgin surgeon himself.
With tech-house records boys cream to and girls shake their titties for.
Chocolate will not disapoint!  Not akin to multiple orgasms, but one
continuous orgasm for 90 minutes!!! DAAAYUHM!!!


(House of Babylon/The Pros/Subwarped Records)
K-STEP Ahhh...... K-Step is making leaps and bounds in terms
of his mixing skill and stlye!  He is wanted nation-wide, from
Detroit, Toronto, StLouis, Omaha, et al.  His orinigal track
CONCRETE TECHNIQUE has recently peeked the interest
of CANVAS RECORDINGS.  Tonight K-Step will
open for A-Track, and show you and the world how we do it
Nap-town style!  Represent!

(Subwarped/House of Babylon)
danDAVE Now for those who like it darck and menacing,
danDAVE is your man!  Quickly rising to the top of the Indy
Junglist creme!


(House of Babylon)
BLAIR BROWN From Chicago meet the latest H of B offering--
the talented Mr. Blair Brown.  His disco infected house grooves
made a stunning (and suprise) impact on the Jan. 14th Burn @
the Hot Spot.  Tonight is his official release!  UNLEASHED!


Doors open at 9:00 p.m.
Music starts at 10:00 p.m.


$20 before midnight $25 after midnight
For those attending the pre-party (PANTY RAiD)
the party will not exceed $20.

There will be a free massage set up from 1AM-3AM
for all you boys & girls who jack too hard!

sound by: Log 2
lights by: project 7


Guest list & Vending requests must be received by March 1.
Such requests must be e-mailed to either of the following
addresses:

housebabylon@aol.com
sistajade@email.com

No exceptions!  No walk-ups!
No service fee for vendors (but gifts are
always appreciated.)

In light of recent events, we will be strictly enforcing the following rules:

NO outside liquids, pagers, cellphones, recording devices of ANY kind,
crabs, mean people, thugs, bad attitudes, markers, weapons, glass or
GHB!  GHB DEALERS WILL BE ARRESTED ON SITE!   PERIOD!!!!!


ROAR in full effect  (Right of Admission Reserved)

Security will be tight but friendly.

HOUSE OF BABYLON  317-592-9236
SISTA' JADE ENTERTAINMENT  317-704-1642

Also Dont' Forget
PANTY RAiD (Pleasure Dome Pre-Party) - March 17th
Featuring DJ Deeon, Mazi, Frankie Vega, Shiva & More
SistaJade Entertainment  317 704 1642
House of Babylon   317 592 9236

MiCROCOSM version 1.0 - March 24th
Featuring OH! Donovan (AKA Sean Patrick), DJ Moda, Xian & More
DiscoDisciples d'Amour 317 713 7123
DiscoHotLine@aol.com

MiCROCOSM version 2.0 - April 14th
Featuring Tony B!, Adam Abstrakt, & More
DiscoDisciples d'Amour 317 713 7123
DiscoHotLine@aol.com

WET DREAMz (Pajama Jama Jam pt 2) - June 3rd
Featuring Christopher Lawrence, JazzE, DJ Moda, Dave Aude, Baby Anne & More
House of Babylon  317 592 9236
HouseBabylon@aol.com

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> WWBBD? = What would Brian Boitano do? !!!!!!  :)  LOL.  :)
> 

i'm sure he'd kick an ass or two...that's what brian boitano'd do.


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i wanna know 
what you're thinking
there are some things you can't hide
i wanna know
what you're feeling
tell me what's on your mind

(pure energy)

speaking of which...have they done anything after "think" ?

pixie



:dj trevor lamont sed:
:
:<<The lyics go something like " I, I, I gotta know ">>
:
:not sure of the track, but it kinda sounds like the 
:sample is from an old information society song, it 
:goes..."i gotta know, what you're thinking...if there's
:something on your mind..."



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Is Barbara Tucker going to be there or not?  She's on the flier in the
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> doris stupity is a thin line and i just think you crossed it


yeah...  good thing i don't have to deal with stupidity, eh?  stupity
ain't so bad...


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actually, they (information society) did have more output...they put out a
couple of relatively underground dance tracks that i dont believe were
picked up by a major label, and i think soon after they made another major
label record--then they went kaput, but that was like
1992-1994ish...referring to trevor's track id attempt, ive heard it a lot
too, it studders quite a bit on the sample, then the big break comes and
they use the whole vocal snip in a big breakdown if i remember correctly...i
cant put an artist to it, and im not sure if anyone would admit to such a
blatant sample...

dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
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----- Original Message -----
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> i wanna know
> what you're thinking
> there are some things you can't hide
> i wanna know
> what you're feeling
> tell me what's on your mind
>
> (pure energy)
>
> speaking of which...have they done anything after "think" ?
>
> pixie
>
>
>
> :dj trevor lamont sed:
> :
> :<<The lyics go something like " I, I, I gotta know ">>
> :
> :not sure of the track, but it kinda sounds like the
> :sample is from an old information society song, it
> :goes..."i gotta know, what you're thinking...if there's
> :something on your mind..."
>
>
>
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In a message dated 3/8/00 3:33:19 PM Central Standard Time, te_one@yahoo.com 
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<< like peeing in strong breeze;
 
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"I see," said the blind man as he peed into the wind, "it's all coming back 
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Semiconscious presents the mixtape series for those that ride the back of the 
bus...

Owl Service Volume One

featuring two exclusive sides from the outskirts of  the land of drum and 
bass.

Kid Entropy - The post-apocalyptic neo mash-up jazz and bass dj selection 
from Chicago based DJ/MC/Producer.  Features dubplates:  Eye D vs. Kid 
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DJ Natty - A full 30 minute dose of the ruffest soundbusiness from Chicago 
based Ragga Selector, Natty brings a traditional dub perspective to the 
rhythm of jungle music.

available soon at local mixshops and tape booths or available NOW through 
Semiconscious Mail Order.  Please email all inquiries to Kidentropy@aol.com 
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Stay tuned for  Owl Service Volume Two - Kid Entropy and Eye-D, Hijacked 
Fabric - Kid Entropy DJ/MC mixtape through http://www.untranslatable.com, 
Where I've been - Kid Entropy DJ/MC mixtape, Sabor Naturale De Coco EP  -  
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check out audio and mp3's at http://beam.to/entro
                
Owl Service is dedicated to exposing the underground population to new and 
old school talent as well as representing sides of drum and bass that are 
truly 'revolutionary' towards the established order of the music.  If you 
feel your talent needs exposure... feel free to contact us via email and send 
us a mixtape showcasing your selection... although we can't release 
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damn typos

----- Original Message ----- 
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> > doris stupity is a thin line and i just think you crossed it
> 
> 
> yeah...  good thing i don't have to deal with stupidity, eh?  stupity
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What would you classify "Little Fluffy Clouds" by Orb?
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It's called music.

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> What would you classify "Little Fluffy Clouds" by Orb?
> And what about "Multi-family Garage Sale" by Land of the Loops?
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i asked for this id a few weeks ago.  anybody else heard this one yet?
please...its also on ben kenobis "seduced by the darkside"

"cant you see, girl that i, im in love with you/dont run away from my
love that you need/dont run away from my love you will see/that you are
the reason that i want to live/and i want you to remain with me....no i
dont want, want to be alone, no more...."

jim

"speed garage track: 
dj booths album: this is garage 
"no i dont wanna be alone no more" repeats several times 
peace-
chad"

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>    I'm not saying I'm going to go run around loving and respecting
everyone, 
>let's be serious here.  

Exactly just because you believe in PLUR doesnt necessarily mean you have
to become a docile cow.. letting anyone and everyone use/abuse you.
Reallly I think a lot of people take the concept of 'plur' way to far or
read far too much into it... be they the ignorant kids who use plur as an
excuse to do whatever they want (hug/molest strangers whatever) or those
jaded/cynical old schoolers whom seem to think all plur is fake evil vile,
non-existant and therefore a worthless concept.  My alternat easy to
understand definiton of plur is: the black shit that comes out of your nose
after a party.

tad  

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In a message dated 3/9/0 1:07:24 AM, glowstickchika wrote:

<<I'm interested in asking people who work  for (or own) production companies 
and/or are promoters some questions... let's just say i'm an ambitious brat :)


sarah.


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"Little Fluffy Clouds" by Orb  - Trance

It's very similar to ambient, but with a more 
dominate beat characteristic of trance.  You
could pretty much take out the beat and it
would be ambient.  



Couldn't tell you about the other one..



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Little Fluffy Clouds? Trip-Hop for sure. 
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>What would you classify "Little Fluffy Clouds" by Orb?
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In a message dated 3/9/00 3:02:46 AM !!!First Boot!!!, fergcore@earthlink.net 
writes:

> Is Barbara Tucker going to be there or not?  She's on the flier in the
>  calendar but not in any of the e-mail fliers.
>  

No.  Unfortunately, due to Barbara's upcoming new LP
STOP MESSING WITH MY MIND and Pleasure Dome's
close date proximity to the Miami Winter Conferrence,
Ms. Tucker's appearance in Indy is post-poned.  

Sorry.  But we HAVE added a special headlining 
guest DJ to enhance the night beautifully!

Hope to see you there!

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mis-spelling aside, i love that definition.  i guess thats what i was
getting at with my post to stevie, that he mistook as a personal attack. i
think "plur" (read respect) is not unconditional.  saying you don't respect
someone is  alright, provided you have made this decision based on imperical
(sp?) knowledge of that person.  not on something someone said, or posted
about them to a mailing list, but on what they have shown you.  in fact,
related to the list, if somebody feels the need to post vague-ass shit about
somebody else to a mailing list, i immediately recoil in suspicion.  one of
the primary things that makes me not trust a person is when they feel a need
to attack another in a public forum.  but until i meet them, i will withhold
my final judgement.

this is why posts by stevie, and by the some of the house of babylon fringe
members have caused me concern in the past.  if somebody feels the need to
try and crucify someone else in public, i immediately question their
motives.

if they truly believed in this "plur" ideal, or in a kind of (supposed)
christ-like mentality, they would turn the other cheek.  you wouldn't see
flame wars, personal attacks, slander.

there is lot to be said by simply understanding that on some level we can
all relate to anyone  who has experienced sunday morning rave boogers.

there are so many people in this world, and we all are different.  dividing
them into race or class doesn't help anybody.  least of all yourself.  i
mean this for all people.  even "frat boy" or "suburban" generalizations
destroy a scene that is supposed to be based on diversity.  one of my rave
heroes is a milwaukee man named chuck, who near his fifties goes to parties.
i would really hate to think of newbie kids dissing him because he doesn't
fit the fashion mold.  myself, i'm 27.  i don't wear raver clothes....most
of my friends (whom i've had for years) don't look down on me for going to
parties.  yet i still get looks from supposedly open minded candy-kids when
i show up to parties.  how fucked up is that?  people near thirty don't have
a problem with me being in the "rave scene," but 17 year olds do?

bah. where's the plur there?

    -bill


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> My alternat easy to
> understand definiton of plur is: the black shit that comes out of your
nose
> after a party.



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Darn ... you hit that on the head ... I've only heard one Banjo Techno track
(Swamp Thing by the Grid) but it ranks up there as one of my all time
favorite tracks!  Need more like it!

Just have to give it a name ... BanjoTech doesn't quite cut it!

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> >>>So what's the next big musical obsession going to be in the
> >midwest?
>
> Hmm..well i don't know..but i was at a party in Columbus this past
> weekend....and you crazy cats were going crazy to that Deliverance Banjo
> song being played on the dex. I was like WTF is going on out here.
Everyone
> loved it!! everyone was screaming and dancing!!
> You strange people. but I like you.



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> Darn ... you hit that on the head ... I've only heard one Banjo Techno track
> (Swamp Thing by the Grid) but it ranks up there as one of my all time
> favorite tracks!  Need more like it!
> 
> Just have to give it a name ... BanjoTech doesn't quite cut it!


how bout... crap.  =P


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Good Medicine!!! FRIDAY March 10, 2000  Omaha, NE

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More info; 402-467-9142, needle junkeez line in Omaha.

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>From Lincoln:
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>From Omaha:
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>From Des Moines:
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<<What would you classify "Little Fluffy Clouds" by Orb?>>

I would say trance, almost ambient, but its pretty loop based.  Kind of 
reminds me of Halcyon and on and on.


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I find the trance that Doran and Kimbal Collins play
to be bland. Its very fromulatic and predictable.
Thats probly the reason why alot of people think
trance sucks. 
	Dan Efex, Dj Storm, and Cid 6.7 are some great trance
slectors. They never fail to interest me and surprise
me. Then again i think goa is cool..

peace,
Offtrack
   

--- Chris Phillips <djchrisp1@excite.com> wrote:
> 
> I think it's funny that trance is so disliked around
> the midwest.  Considering it's basically house with
> a complex melody, I don't think you can say trance
> sucks without saying house sucks.  And if you say
> house sucks.. well you might as well say it all
> sucks
> and start listening to country or something.
> 
> Most of the trance I've heard being spun 
> around the midwest is pretty bland.  That doesn't
> mean all trance is that way.  Check out DJ Doran
> or Kimball Collins and you'll get a taste for real
> trance.  I've really never heard anybody say they
> didn't like Doran's 'Monuments'.  It has to be
> one of the best mixes ever made.  
> 
> There's plenty of bland trance out there, but saying
> the entire genre sucks is a bit ridiculous.  I don't
> really like jungle too much, but I definitely
> respect
> it as an artform.  
> 
> peace
> dj chrisp
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:11:52 EST, Steviet069@aol.com
> wrote:
> 
> >  no doubt, here in columbus, ohio, the music
> selection
> >  at clubs and parties have been oversaturated with
> >  house, jungle, and minimal techno...but trance
> dj's
> >  are hardly booked around here...it's a gem to see
> >  a good trance dj spin out here...in addition, i
> think
> >  trance is often confused with minimal techno
> >  
> >  another point is old school trance *is* boring,
> >  however the newer stuff coming out of the UK and
> >  Germany is phenomenal...so it also depends on the
> >  flavor of trance as well as the dj skillz...
> >  
> >  saying, "trance sucks" is just ignorant without
> >  doing all the proper research.
> >  
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2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
5. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
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Thats seems to be the only downfall of trance.  After listening to record 
after record at the shop, you can pretty much tell when everything is going 
to happen.  It follows the pattern pretty carefully.  But there are still 
trance tracks that are different from the norm and surprise you.  So I still 
like it =)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 09 06:28:47 2000
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>in addition, i think
>trance is often confused with minimal techno

How could anybody confuse the two of these? minimal techno has like *no*
music and just rythm/beats... and trance is full of melodies and *music*...

I'd have to say that a lot of trance is cheezy and hard to deal with, even
though I've produced a lot of it over the past 9 years. ::sigh::

I decided to move on to intelligent breaks myself, it seems much more
interesting.

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*music*? Is minimal techno devoid of music? Listne to
Gez Varley<g-man>, i think he has some of the richest
tones, unlike alot of music i hear. 

peace,
Offtrack

--- Radianation <radianation@louipimps.com> wrote:
> >in addition, i think
> >trance is often confused with minimal techno
> 
> How could anybody confuse the two of these? minimal
> techno has like *no*
> music and just rythm/beats... and trance is full of
> melodies and *music*...
> 
> I'd have to say that a lot of trance is cheezy and
> hard to deal with, even
> though I've produced a lot of it over the past 9
> years. ::sigh::
> 
> I decided to move on to intelligent breaks myself,
> it seems much more
> interesting.
> 
> - Radianation
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2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
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Many people ask me where do I get my vinyl...Ambient and Downtempo...two
genres that are somewhat difficult to find...before Hotwax opened I was
paying craziee prices for records from shops in Europe. Locally (Cincinnati)
the record store would have vinyl that retired in the bins and multiple
copies of popular House vinyl which I purchased sometimes because I dig me
some House. After a while not being able to really buy the vinyl I spun and
being taxed on other music purchases, I began to use mail-order. Then Hotwax
open....it was cool to know someone felt the needs of DJs. It's a cozy spot
and they are good people...they have HUGE bins of old vinyl from many genres
that are price 4 for $1...I've come up on some classic tracks...I think they
do mail-order also on select days...anyway...if you are ever in the
Cincinnati or Northern Kentucky area check it out...it's inviting and
chill...

peace

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A lot of the minimal-techno stuff I have heard is very non-musical and more
beat/rhythm oriented. Can't say that *everything* is one way or another, but
I just don't see how anybody could ever confuse minimal techno with trance.
That's like getting Chicago house confused with dark-step or something. It's
just so different in a variety of ways.

- Radianation
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>
> *music*? Is minimal techno devoid of music? Listne to
> Gez Varley<g-man>, i think he has some of the richest
> tones, unlike alot of music i hear.
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Marco Carola ?
yumMmmmMmmMmAy 
Cajmere ? 
YuMMmMMmMmMAyyyyyy n sExXXXxy!
really the only 2 I would be going for, but I thought you all might wanna see 
this lineup
: ) seriously thou..  I have been waiting for carola to come this way for 
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Welcome to the Wonderful World of Whistle 3!!!
Local13.com
Presents 
Whistle 3
Pennsauken New Jersey
215-552-8135, 215-602-0224

~~3 Day Festival~~
May26th(Pre Festival). Brought to you by club Space(www.spaceistheplace.com)
May27th(Main Festival)(8pm-7am)
May28th(After Festival). At Club Shampoo 7th and Willow St Philly


~~~~3 Rooms of Sound(Turbo Sound System) with an Outside Area~~~~

~Performing In the Groove Nation
skylab2000
(phatt funk records, los angeles)
DJ Dan
(funky techno tribe, s.f.)
Bad Boy Bill
(mix connection, chicago)
Dave Ralph
(kinetic,uk)
Marco Corola
(first east coast apperance)(zenit recordings, italy)
Micro
(moonshine records, caffeine.long island)
T-1000
(tressor, detroit)
Nigel Richards
(611 records, philadelphia)
Anabolic Frolic
(special happy hard core set)
Pat Egan
(the local 13 philosophy)
Jeff Heart
(wiggle, pace, philadelphia)


~Performing In the Funk Nation
Derrick Carter
(classic reords uk, blue cucaracha,chicago)
Cajmere
(cajual, chicago)
Doc Martin
(wax, los angeles)
John Acquaviva
(plus 8, definitive, canada)
DJ Funk
(dancemania, chicago)
Scott Henry
(fever, buzz, baltimore)
Pete Moss
(reclin records, ovum recordings. philadelphia)
X Dream
(caffeine, long island)                               
Mike Myers
(local 13 philosophy, philadelphia)
Carl Michaels
(611 records, philadelphia)

~Performing In the Bass Nation
Q-Bert
(The Invisible Scratch Picklez, San Francisco)
Bad Company
(Bad Company Recordings, UK)
Usual Suspects
(Renegade Hardware, Trouble On Vinyl, UK)
Shy FX
(Ebony, Formation, Ivory, UK)
Technical Itch
(Tech Itch, UK)
Diesel-Boy w/ MC Dub 2
(Platinum, 611, Tech Itch, Philly)
J-Smooth
(GFS, F111, Philly)
Lonnie Fisher
(ultraworld, baltimore)
Jungle Rollas
(Fatcap, Philly)
Myster Mason
(C.I.M.M., BSP, Philly)   


~Location
South NJ Expo Center, Pennsauken NJ

~Tickets
-Last Years Event Sold Out!.....By Tickets Early to Ensure Entry
$35 till APRIL 22nd, $40 After APRIL 22

<Ticket Web>
On The Web: WWW.TICKETWEB.COM 
Via Phone: 1-510-594-1400

<Record Stores>
Philly
611 Records 215-413-9100
About the Beat 215-351-2328

Bryn Mawr (PA)
Repo Records 610-525-5460

Stroudsberg (PA)
Main Street 717-424-2246

Pittsburgh
Hypervinal 412-681-4164

Allentown
Underground Set 610-432-8822

New York
Satellite 212-780-9305
Sonic Groove 212-675-5284
Breakbeat Science 212-995-2592

Long Island 
Caffeine 516-797-7192
Cosmic Era 516-997-1095

New Jersey
Pulse Records 732-758-9225
Outer Limits 973-340-0013
Cafe Sounds 973-509-2233    

Connecticut
Mutiny Records 860-646-7199
Spiritual Emporium 860-524-9719

Boston
Satellite 617-536-5482
Grow Room 413-549-9296

Providence, Rhode Island
Luna Sea 401-272-9171

Baltimore/DC
Modern Music 410-675-2172
Yoshi Toshi 202-338-5638

~Inquries
Vending email: Vending@Local13.com
Bus Trips email: Bustrips@Local13.com
Mailing List email: Mailings@local13.com

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Saturday, April 22nd, 2000
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Wondertwins Productions
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Presenting
LiFE AS WE KNOW iT  PART ONE: MiNDBENDiNG BEATS
Featuring such talent as:

The Progression Tour's
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- KC3P0 - Kansas City-www.syquil.com
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 09 13:33:39 2000
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>>yet i still get looks from supposedly open minded candy-kids when i show 
>>up to parties.  how fucked up is that?

Well...all "rave consciousness set aside" they're still kids.  :)  Can you 
hold it against them for just doing what it's in the nature of younger folks 
to do?  Don't take it personally.  You're not raving to impress people, 
you're raving to enjoy yourself in the ways you like.

>>people near thirty don't have a problem with me being in the "rave scene," 
>>but 17 year olds do?

Again, just think of the same people out of a rave context.  Most of the 
kids you're talking about are still in high school...of course they can't 
relate to people in our age bracket/generation.  So be it.  I didn't even 
start going candy til last year and I've been partying since 93, I'm 26.  
Candy has it's place, just like anything else.  I don't go candy every 
single time, it all depends on my mood.  So don't worry what you wear or 
do...just be yourself.

>>bah. where's the plur there?

Just left of unexperienced.  :)

I think the one concept most PLUR-NAZIs forget is that raves are JUST 
PARTIES.  :)  They're not the save-all of our modern cultural problems, 
they're just parties.  And before anyone tries flaming me about how positive 
"the scene" has been for them, I ask you, why do you have to limit yourself 
to just "the scene" in order to be a better person?  I'm not saying that 
rave culture isn't cool, it is.  I love the people I meet all over the 
country, but there is more to their lives, and mine, asides from music and 
dancing.  We come together on a commonality, but we are still unique people 
who still live in the real world that makes everything worth while.  I enjoy 
sharing ALL aspects of my life with my partykid family, not just rave.

I realize when you're younger you are more confined by parental control, 
social sanctions and immobility.  But this shouldn't be any reason to try 
and define or transform something that's inherently definitionless or 
formless.

God...I need some breakfast...:)

In closing, to anyone who takes offense to the rationalization of PLUR, 
please learn to get over the "wow, raving is so cool I'm gonna share my new 
fun/excitement/love with everyone" syndrome.  We ALL know it's cool, but 
those of us "old schoolers" who've been partying for years know already.  
You shouldn't have to smother people with PLUR in order to be someone's 
friend.  If I could take PLUR and change it for people who NEED an acronym 
in order to define themselves, I'd suggest "R".  RESPECT.  That's all that 
matters.  Respect is something lacking in our culture...from the ground up.  
Children now a days have not been taught what respect is or about.  
Unfortunately, as a direct result, kids growing up without it are learning 
the hard way how "the real world works" and it's pretty disheartening to 
watch because IMO, it could have been avoided.

Just go to parties and have fun.  Respect people's privacy.  Just because we 
come together to share an evening of fun, doesn't mean we're everyone's best 
friend.  It DOES mean, however, that we all share a commonality that defines 
part of our lives...and out of RESPECT for this commonality, you should 
never be intrusive in anyone else's experience.  Always ask yourself, how 
will doing this make someone I don't know feel?  Should I be this familiar 
with a total stranger?  How would I feel if someone I don't know did this to 
me?

Oh well...that's my tea at 8:32am.  :)  Now...a muffin and some juice.

Love and Hugs,

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"What were the skies like when you were young?"

"Little Fluffy Clouds" is a song by an English duo called "The Orb", comprised of Alex Patterson
and "Thrash", a former member of Killing Joke. It was arguably the most (if not only)
dancefloor-friendly cut off their now-classic debut album "The Orb's Adventures Beyond the
Ultraworld". It combines elements of dub reggae with the acid house sound prevalent at the time of
its release. And, finally.. In my opinion it ranks far behind some of their other efforts, "Blue
Room" and "Towers of Dub" being two of my personal favorites.

 You know, this is really entertaining. At the time it was released everyone was calling The Orb
"ambient dub", now I've heard everything from house to trance to trip-hop?! You've got your house
beats and a dub bassline.. If this were released today I think people may be calling it "speed
garage".. As time goes on marketing will come up with new labels for styles that have been around
for ages, thereby making them appear to be the "next big thing". Usually by the time someone
thinks of a name for a genre there's something new coming along..

 
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I found out what it was  "I Know" by Rollin' Gear.  A friend in DC plays 
breaks so she was looking for it.  Since I don't play breaks I had no idea 
what it was. :)  Thanks

----Original Message Follows----
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To: "Pixie" <pixie@bluegrass.net>, <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: [mw] track ID
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:26:08 -0500

actually, they (information society) did have more output...they put out a
couple of relatively underground dance tracks that i dont believe were
picked up by a major label, and i think soon after they made another major
label record--then they went kaput, but that was like
1992-1994ish...referring to trevor's track id attempt, ive heard it a lot
too, it studders quite a bit on the sample, then the big break comes and
they use the whole vocal snip in a big breakdown if i remember correctly...i
cant put an artist to it, and im not sure if anyone would admit to such a
blatant sample...

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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [mw] track ID


 > i wanna know
 > what you're thinking
 > there are some things you can't hide
 > i wanna know
 > what you're feeling
 > tell me what's on your mind
 >
 > (pure energy)
 >
 > speaking of which...have they done anything after "think" ?
 >
 > pixie
 >
 >
 >
 > :dj trevor lamont sed:
 > :
 > :<<The lyics go something like " I, I, I gotta know ">>
 > :
 > :not sure of the track, but it kinda sounds like the
 > :sample is from an old information society song, it
 > :goes..."i gotta know, what you're thinking...if there's
 > :something on your mind..."
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 I came up on some gems in that used bin.. Unfortunately their techno selection otherwise seemed
pretty narrow - the usual Bush/Downwards/Blueprint/Tronic type stuff that's been caned to death
recently. 

 If I have to order something I might as well do it online.. It's no more expensive and far less
hassle..


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i forget did you people think it is a good thing or too much hassle
i may be in germany this summer and i am wondering if i should plan for 
loveparade
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Yes it is worth it. I went in 1997 and let me tell you
- Loveparade makes Mardi Gras look like a function
sponsored by Rotary International. You should go just
to experience how people in other countries party and
have a good time. You'll find people of all ages
there, and it's definitely an experience more than
just another party to go to.


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: actually, they (information society) did have more output...they put out a
: couple of relatively underground dance tracks that i dont believe were
: picked up by a major label, and i think soon after they made another major
: label record--then they went kaput, but that was like
: 1992-1994ish...

well, i did a bit of searching on my own, and turns out Information Society
is still around...it's only Kurt Harland now, but he's still at it, and he's
still got the car....go to his website and take a look around

www.insoc.org

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In a message dated 3/9/0 5:01:40 AM, wbunyan wrote:

<<if somebody feels the need to try and crucify someone else
in public, i immediately question their motives.>>

tis true...no one gets crucified more than me on this list...and 
most of my posts are posts of defense from inane false 
accusations from people who really don't know me at all (usually 
members from the 666 faction, coincidentally)...one only needs to 
question these people's motives...why when stevie t posts an 
enlightening post about what he read in 'the bible code" do all these 
people with never heard of before e-mail names start popping up and 
rather than discussing anything he posted would rather make 
personal attacks on his character?...or when he posts about mw-raves
scene history rather than acknowledging his involvement with 
many of the production companies in the past would rather call him
a name dropper when if you think about it everybody drops names?...
or would rather call him gay when everybody knows he's not gay...

as mentioned before the old school concept of  peace, love, unity, 
and respect lost its meaning when simpleton's made it into an 
acronym and tried to stereotype it as something associated with
only candy ravers...their motives were to diminsh the true 
meaning of the words and as a way to put other ravers down
for them to gain power...these are the same simpleton's that
would choose to attack someone's personal character than to hold
an intellectual discussion because they lack the knowledge to
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Hey I agree with you 100%, but Lars is all up on my partners nuts so I think 
he felt obligated to mention him!!!

>From: "Trevor Lamont" <houseman606@hotmail.com>
>To: sistajade@hotmail.com, sistajade@email.com
>Subject: Re: [mw] Fwd: [iu-ravers] THE PLEASURE DOME -- Indianapolis -- Sat 
>March 18, 2000
>Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 09:53:42 EST
>
>
>
>***********ALERT!! ALERT!! ALERT!!*************
>The PLEASURE DOME has now added to its al-
>ready impressive line-up a surprise HEADLINING
>DJ TALENT!!!  That's right, aside from the DJs
>listed below, we've added a special over-seas
>headlining DJ!!!  Who could it be???  Cari
>Lekebusch??  DJ Lars???  Huggy??? Stefan
>Manceau???  Guess you'll have to find out for
>yourself, Saturday March 18th -- Indianapolis!!!!
>********************************************************
>How could you guys with a straight face mention Lars in the same breath as 
>Cari Lekebusch or Huggy and as a headliner.  This isn't just coming out my 
>ass either.  I've played enough parties with the guy to know what he sounds 
>like.  That's like mentioning Soul Slinger in the same breath as Ed Rush or 
>Andy C.  Nothing against you guys I was just wondering.  BTW - Excellent 
>line-up otherwise for your party. :)
>
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, crack head wrote:

hells yeah, go!!! I went in 1996, and have had friends go since 1994 every
year. It's unlike anything you'll ever experience in the US, except if you
want to go to any of the afterparties, expect to pay out the nose and
expect to wait to get in for a while. We actually got into the Tresor on
Sunday morning for free... =) but it's an insane event, and if you're in
Germany for the summer, and you miss it, I will make it my personal
mission to hunt you down, kick your ass severely, then show you my 4 rolls
of film from the '96 Loveparade. =)


> 
> i forget did you people think it is a good thing or too much hassle
> i may be in germany this summer and i am wondering if i should plan for 
> loveparade
> testimonials?
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>Darn ... you hit that on the head ... I've only heard one Banjo >Techno 
>track
>(Swamp Thing by the Grid) but it ranks up there as one of my all time
>favorite tracks!  Need more like it!
>
>Just have to give it a name ... BanjoTech doesn't quite cut it!

i gotta throw in my vote for Phood, Blood, and Phug's "Dueling Techno" from 
the zoo rave comp.  although not strictly banjo-tec, it is indeed influenced 
by the best pickers in the world.

also, you haven't lived until you've made ravers square dance to the 
Deliverance theme.

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>I decided to move on to intelligent breaks myself, it seems much more
>interesting.
>
>- - Radianation

radianation---

could you please produce some dumb, stupid breaks for me?  my mental 
capacity isn't quite large enough for breaks of intelligence.  because 
they're much smarter than i am.

thanks.  your cooperation is noted.

jon/dica.

np:  raekwon  "only built 4 cuban linkz"

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i *heart* trance.

that is all
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It makes sense to test DTV, but around here the
switched to digital a year or two after the law was
passed.  I suppose the other post (I can't remember
who said it) about PBS renting out their digital
equipment to commercial stations made sense out of
that too.

--Will

--- _ Symmetric <jasonlebel@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Adams <insanityfr@yahoo.com>
> 
> : I agree that PBS is alot better than alot of the
> stuff
> : on Public Television.  I'm not calling for it's
> being
> : shut down, just better managed.  Take every show
> : you've EVER seen on PBS and then think how it
> might
> : take over 300 million dollars per year to make
> them,
> : distribute and broadcast them.
> :
> : Case in point:  was it really necessary for them
> to go
> : digital LONG before ANY of the other networks? 
> It's a
> : blatant waste of taxpayer money.  If they would've
> : waited for, say, 5 more years the technology
> would've
> : been cheaper and maybe more than .0001% of people
> : would have a digital television
> 
> The reason PBS went digital first is because it was
> the Government's test to
> see how the hardware, software, etc, worked before
> the FCC passed a law
> forcing ALL stations to be broadcasting digital
> signals by 2003. They are
> government funded, so they get to be the
> government's broadcast guinea pig.
> It makes sense to me.
> j
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I *spooge on* trance .

just jokin' Misha :)



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i *heart* trance.

that is all
misha
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*takes away all of Trevor's chicken wings and gives
him raw fish to munch on*. You are punished.  =)

Misha

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Subject: [mw] March 11 - St. Louis - LOTZ 0' LOVE + Pre-Party @ The Park
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Saturday - March 11
St. Louis, MO

LOTZ O' LUV

Brought to you by KANDELAND

With Peformances by...

-Main Room-
DJ Funk - Chicago, IL
Spree - Minneapolis, MN
E.N. Green - Omaha, NE
Dex O' Trim - Omaha, NE
Natron 88 - Lincoln, NE
Nanos - St. Louis
Enoch - St. Louis
Angel - St. Louis

-Drum & Bass Room-
Faded: Tre' / Jim K. / Kookie - St. Louis
Dankskii - St. Louis
Shen - St. Louis
Foster - St. Louis
Bodaleg - St. Louis
Kapcell - Mid West

Pre-Party @ Towergrove Park 
2 p.m. - 7 p.m.

With performances by...

Deep Blue *Live P.A.* - Chicago, IL
Frankie J - Chicago, IL
York - Bloomington, IL
Pocket Change - Bloomington, IL

-Main Info Line- 314.995.2623

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$20 @ The Door
$18 w/ canned good

17+ (ID Required)
Expect to be searched @ the door.

Statement:

Kandeland is here, because we have found a place that
feels like home- a people to call our own- and a
reason to do things the right way. Thanx to all who
helped make this possible: Kindred Groove, Boogie
Knights, Faded, Superstars of Love, Needle Junkeez,
and all of the St. Louis scene- where the vibe is so
thick you can see it with you eyes closed.

Hope to see all of you there!

-York

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 09 18:32:14 2000
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I dont' know, I think trance is a little more related
to techno than it is house.

--- Chris Phillips <djchrisp1@excite.com> wrote:
> 
> I think it's funny that trance is so disliked around
> the midwest.  Considering it's basically house with
> a complex melody, I don't think you can say trance
> sucks without saying house sucks.  And if you say
> house sucks.. well you might as well say it all
> sucks
> and start listening to country or something.
> 
> Most of the trance I've heard being spun 
> around the midwest is pretty bland.  That doesn't
> mean all trance is that way.  Check out DJ Doran
> or Kimball Collins and you'll get a taste for real
> trance.  I've really never heard anybody say they
> didn't like Doran's 'Monuments'.  It has to be
> one of the best mixes ever made.  
> 
> There's plenty of bland trance out there, but saying
> the entire genre sucks is a bit ridiculous.  I don't
> really like jungle too much, but I definitely
> respect
> it as an artform.  
> 
> peace
> dj chrisp
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 19:11:52 EST, Steviet069@aol.com
> wrote:
> 
> >  no doubt, here in columbus, ohio, the music
> selection
> >  at clubs and parties have been oversaturated with
> >  house, jungle, and minimal techno...but trance
> dj's
> >  are hardly booked around here...it's a gem to see
> >  a good trance dj spin out here...in addition, i
> think
> >  trance is often confused with minimal techno
> >  
> >  another point is old school trance *is* boring,
> >  however the newer stuff coming out of the UK and
> >  Germany is phenomenal...so it also depends on the
> >  flavor of trance as well as the dj skillz...
> >  
> >  saying, "trance sucks" is just ignorant without
> >  doing all the proper research.
> >  
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 09 18:46:43 2000
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i just amde a list of all my mixtapes and cd'z. any1 interested in trading 
anyhitng let me know ills end ya a copy of what i have. theres a few things 
im looking for in particular.

dan efex   acidic opera..... has robet armani on the other side
terry mullan.....  insomnia and energy fm.. i have these but the sound like 
shit.. and any other terry


other than that.... any bangin upbeat or deep house

let me know


gabriel



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 09 18:50:29 2000
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I went in 1995... absolutely incredible. Worth the journey. About 2 million 
people converge on the city for the festival. 

However, I hear the latest and greatest is the Hate Parade. Don't know when 
it is, but I'm planning on finding out and going. 

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 09 19:08:40 2000
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I think all styles are related to each other in some
way if you look at the big picture; but if you were to
get more anal about all this - there's progressive
housey trance that Sasha spins that sounds a lot more
like than anything else, there's hard stompy trance
that sounds more like techno, etc.


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In a message dated 3/9/00 1:02:27 PM Central Standard Time, 
j_gotti_dnb@yahoo.com writes:

<< I dont' know, I think trance is a little more related
 to techno than it is house. >>


YES!!!  TOTALLY!!!  I get asked all the time "you like trance, but you don't 
like house?!?  how does that work?!"  of course, this is back in the day when 
I thought trance was cool...  to me.. trance and house are completely 
different.  one time (at band camp) in chris eges car, we were listening to a 
techno tape, and I was like "you like this, but you don't like trance?  how 
does that work?!"
bah!  I'm just agreeing with Gotti on this one.

Oh yeah, ya know what?  I lied.  I still really like trance a lot.  Actually, 
it's probably my favorite thing.  Especially wussy trance.  I just said that 
cause someone said to me "Jen, are you even on mw-raves anymore, you're 
awfully quiet" and I was also using it as a deterrent.  

j. bus

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[>i *heart* trance.

so do some four random frat boys i just saw who were *blasting*
"words"... i mean at a rediculous volume, windows down, in line at the
parking garage across the street from where i work to get their
parking voucher, with an all around "hey, look at us--we listen to
*COOL* rave music" attitude...

(hey, i thought it was funny)


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Trance evangelism! Nooooo!
I don't like it! You can't make me. :P ptththhbbt..

and before you start with that techno snob nonsense, here's a quick half-assed top ten for the
week so far:

1. Madness "One Step Beyond" LP (particularly "Night Boat to Cairo")
2. Tom Waits "Red Shoes" or "16 Shells from a .30-06"
3. Butthole Surfers "Hairway to Steven" LP
4. Amon Tobin "Bridge"
5. De la Soul (Everything)
6. Human League "Things that Dreams are Made of" 
7. Statra "Paradigm Shift" Compilation
8. Mad Professor vs. Massive Attack "No Protection" LP
9. Jane's Addiction "Three Days" 
10. A whole slew of techno, but particularly that new Heiko Laux on Kanzleramt. Hahahahahaa...


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How about 'Duelling Techno?'  While not really banjo-techno, it is a
quasi-cover of 'Duelling Banjos.'

"Drop them britches, c'mon now.  C'mon squeal!"

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Subject: 3.13-19 chicago drum&bass week

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but if you traced the roots of trance back to its
emergence, I believe you will find that it dates to
when Europe started to get in on techno and started
adding its own flavor with the synth washes and what
not.

--- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think all styles are related to each other in some
> way if you look at the big picture; but if you were
> to
> get more anal about all this - there's progressive
> housey trance that Sasha spins that sounds a lot
> more
> like than anything else, there's hard stompy trance
> that sounds more like techno, etc.
> 
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Check out MATMOS latest album.  ;)

Greg Malcolm/Chad Mossholder
Twine/Twinesound Audio Productions
http://home.earthlink.net/~twinesound
http://www.adastra-records.com
http://www.mp3.com/twine
http://www.zero1media.com
http://pulserecords.com/twine

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>How about 'Duelling Techno?'  While not really banjo-techno, it is a
>quasi-cover of 'Duelling Banjos.'
>
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hey to everybody I know that is still on this list. Who's making the trip
down to Miami at the end of this month?  I've got an IBM conference with
my name on it that just happens to be in Miami at the same time as that
other conference.

Also, would you guys say there's more, less, or the same amount of trance
in the mw than there was 2 years ago?  As I remember it, people in the mw
didn't really know anything about trance, much less enough to carry on a
conversation about it.

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On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Twine sound wrote:
> Check out MATMOS latest album.  ;)

Yea, I didn't even think about that, and it's still in my CD player from
my drive to work today, oddly enough.

Last year when they played Minneapolis the banjo got busted out, too.  

As Kid606 says, "Matmos Are the A-Team of Electronica."

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I'm from Detoit and enjoy most of the nightlife here.
Any suggestions for a good Experience besides the normal clubs and
uncertain A.H. i.e. Tunnel(shutdown), Better Days(closed), Zoo(sucks),
Numbers(too flaming), etc.

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i just picked up the mp vs ma cd and its the shit...ive been bumping that
and the breakbeat era for a solid week now...

> 8. Mad Professor vs. Massive Attack "No Protection" LP

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>I'm from Detoit and enjoy most of the nightlife here.
>Any suggestions for a good Experience besides the normal clubs and
>uncertain A.H. i.e. Tunnel(shutdown), Better Days(closed), >Zoo(sucks),
>Numbers(too flaming), etc.

>We have a group heading ou tomorrow night, 3-10, and are looking for
>other options.

Try Aftermath in Detroit > 2:30 am
Or Lava Lounge.

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There is now a dope spot to go to on Tuesdays in Cincinnati.  Boom Bip
is hosting a downtempo, acid jazz night at "The Spy Club".  The bar has
a beautiful plush atmosphere that is very warm and inviting.  It is
located at 5th and Plum (downtown) and is open Tuesday through
Saturday.  Tuesdays start at 10:00 and end at 2:30.  There is no cover!
Yes that is right . . . no cover!  Just come in and enjoy the fresh new
sounds of boom bip and his guests.  The bar is 21 and over with a mature
club atmosphere.  Peace and hope to see you there.

Also, look for boom bip's new releases on MUSH records:

1. boom bip presents "doo-doo breaks v.1"
2. boom bip and dose one "circle" lp
3. "Rope Ladder 12" compilation feat.  aesop rock, jel, mr. dibbs, dj
signify, boom    bip, slug, apani, nickademus, lulu mushi, sole, dj
mayonaise, dose one, robert curcio, etc. . . .


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In a message dated 3/9/0 7:39:12 PM, 60bus wrote:

<<Oh yeah, ya know what?  I lied.  I still really like trance a lot.  
Actually, it's probably my favorite thing.  Especially wussy 
trance.  I just said that cause someone said to me "Jen, are you 
even on mw-raves anymore, you're awfully quiet" and I was also 
using it as a deterrent. >>

god damn, drama provokin shit talkers! ;P~


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In a message dated 3/9/0 9:21:03 PM, you wrote:

<<Also, would you guys say there's more, less, or the 
same amount of trance in the mw than there was 2 years 
ago?  As I remember it, people in the mw didn't really know 
anything about trance, much less enough to carry on a
conversation about it.

            toastman>>

the midwest is pretty clueless about trance, they would 
sooner call it "gay", then hold a semi-intelligent conversation
about it...hell, they still call ravers "gay" for wearin phat
pants in some parts...midwest = backwoods...wha'd u expect?


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--Steviet069@aol.com wrote--
[>god damn, drama provokin shit talkers! ;P~

how ironic.


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Here's my little top ten deal.  If anyone wants to comment, insult, etc. 
drop me a line.

1. Sativa "Northside Chronicles Vol. 1 & 2"
this guy works at Gramaphone and has a residency somewhere in the city.  The 
first mix is kinda deep and the second is more techy.

2. Ministry of Sound mixes "German House" and "Clubland vol 2"
Ministry mag is the shit, everyone who hasn't checked it out should take a 
look.  The German mix is off the hook with acts like Plastic Park, Sharam 
Jay (16c+), and Club Fiesta.

3. The Deep House Archives @ http://egnatia.ee.auth.gr/~tedzanos/
This site is amazing, done by 2 Greek House fanatics.  Do what I did, 
download all the tracks for this month (French, inc. Elegia, Ame Strong, St. 
Etienne), convert to wav files, and burn to CD.  Probably Illegal but 
fuggit.

4. Trans Am "Future World"
Not their newest, but an interesting take on experimental rock with 
electronic influence.

5.Deep Dish "Yoshiesque"
A double CD mix available anywhere, its got pretty much every house style 
represented.

6. Devastating Dennis "Night and Day"
Permanently borrowed from someone, this mix is really tight and features a 
lot of deep smooth house.  NP!!

7. Life of Agony "Soul Searching Son"
If you have any interest in the Rock format, check this group out.  They are 
from NY where I'm originally from and I've been listening to them for 5 
years.  They play very emotional, heavy metal crossover stuff.  OK, not 
everyone's gonna like it but I'm a huge fan.

8. Juvenile "Back that ass up"
I love this tune cause they're so serious about it and its just hilarious, 
better than Baby Got Back.

9. Phats n Small remix of Earth Wind and Fire's "September"
This song kix ass and has some excellent effects.

10. Cliff Tangredi "Vinyl Frontier #1" and the CD he sent me
Cliff is a cool cat.  He hooked it up with a free CD and tape.  The CD isn't 
out yet, but it will be coming out on Caffeine and its trance, think Oliver 
Lieb.
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Can someone please take me off this list....i did keep that letter they told 
me to keep i just cant find it. so can someone please help. thanx in advance.

...manda...

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett J" <shizzit45@hotmail.com>

> Here's my little top ten deal.  If anyone wants to comment, insult, etc.
> drop me a line.
>
> 6. Devastating Dennis "Night and Day"
> Permanently borrowed from someone, this mix is really tight and features a
> lot of deep smooth house.  NP!!

dennis.. haha. the only dj i've ever seen that had to run to the bathroom
during his set
he's good tho, scary when he's drunk

> 9. Phats n Small remix of Earth Wind and Fire's "September"
> This song kix ass and has some excellent effects.

i know i sampled the shit out of it



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 00:12:00 2000
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Here are some tips for people unfamiliar with the MW:

you must:
- be white & put down all the other races
- drive a truck
- drink alotta beer
- watch alotta football
- listen to country or heavy metal
- curse constantly
- call women "broads" or "chicks"

if you fail to meet all these pre-requisites, then 
you will be deemed "gay".

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 00:14:29 2000
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the proof is in the pudding...

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Can someone please take me off this list....i did keep 
that letter they told 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 00:17:48 2000
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Subject: [mw] Re: [Midwest-Trance] March 11 - St. Louis - LOTZ 0' LOVE +
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To bite the style of my homey from columbus:

Where's the trance???

I feel this is an appropiate question as this is being posted to a trance
mailing list. Hmm...
maybe some of those djs do play trance?? I dunno... so let me know.

tad


At 10:19 AM 3/9/00 -0800, Y-O-R-K wrote:
>Saturday - March 11
>St. Louis, MO
>
>LOTZ O' LUV
>
>Brought to you by KANDELAND
>
>With Peformances by...
>
>-Main Room-
>DJ Funk - Chicago, IL
>Spree - Minneapolis, MN
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>Foster - St. Louis
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>Kapcell - Mid West
>
>Pre-Party @ Towergrove Park 
>2 p.m. - 7 p.m.
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>thick you can see it with you eyes closed.
>
>Hope to see all of you there!
>
>-York
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Y'all not be talking to the right people then ya' hear.  I have lovely
conversations about trance all the time... mostly to myself but sometimes
even to other people online.  People that dont scream trance sucks, people
who even *like* trance.  I've been buying trance for almost 5 years now
(well goa/psychedelic trance).  One day I walked int World records in
columbus and picked up this 12" LSD by Hallucinogen and I was hooked.

tad


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>In a message dated 3/9/0 9:21:03 PM, you wrote:
>
><<Also, would you guys say there's more, less, or the 
>same amount of trance in the mw than there was 2 years 
>ago?  As I remember it, people in the mw didn't really know 
>anything about trance, much less enough to carry on a
>conversation about it.
>
>            toastman>>
>
>the midwest is pretty clueless about trance, they would 
>sooner call it "gay", then hold a semi-intelligent conversation
>about it...hell, they still call ravers "gay" for wearin phat
>pants in some parts...midwest = backwoods...wha'd u expect?
>
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:57:36 -0800 (PST) "Ignatius J. Reilly"
<te_one@yahoo.com> writes:

> 6. Human League "Things that Dreams are Made of" 

Damn, that's some old school shite there!  Definately
one of their best, if not THE best.

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Currently, i *heart*

1.  your mom

2.  state:awake

3.  Ephony - Dancing in the Rain

3.  cheesy jump-up

4.  Original Nuttah (rude bwoi!)

5.  Daydream - Make Your Own Kind of Music

6.  rewinds

7.  techno purists

8.  ghetto acid punk

9.  Martin Scorsese

10.  The electro-ish breakdown in Bang!'s "Magic Carpet Ride"

11.  madness, in any direction, at any hour


currently i *!heart*

polymorphism, inheritance, and arrays of pointers to objects


one love,
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right now...

i *heart*

sleeping in.
not being sick.
the fact that i have no more classes left.
spring break.
techno.
leaving cold weather a few hundred miles behind me.
cosmopolitans.
gangstarr.
tea tree oil stuff.
marco carola.
smoke city "mr gorgeous".
techno.
duke ellington.
umek.
natsume soseki.
orange and cream ice cream.
techno.
smell of food cooking on the grill.
ella fitzgerald.
georgia okeefe.
the promise of furthur being only a few months away.
konfused people.
cadbury eggs.
starting to finally feel at home while at school.
dumb type. 
tea.
egon schiele.
bows.
sashimi.
singing warrant songs in the hallway really loud to freak out the RA.
free books.
did i mention techno?


okay. that is what i *heart* right now. 
tata.
lauryn.

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lauryn
that was WAY more then 10!
go back to kindergarden and learn how to count =P
btw, I LOVE YOU HUKKKKKER !
here is mine too.. yippPpedOo 
 1.  Life
 2.  My family
 3.  My friends
 4.  Mind Fucking Techno
 5.  SESSO
 6.  Corona
 7.  Diggity Diggity DANKKKKKKKKKKK
 8.  Gin and Tonics
 9.  Fruit
10.  IRC
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In a message dated 3/10/0 2:02:38 AM, lgoller wrote:

<<egon schiele.
bows.
sashimi.>>

egon, the understudy of gustave klimt & the influence of
bill sienkiewicz, who later influenced simon bisley, my
favorite artist!...his masterpiece lobo, was the original dc
bad ass!

bows? or do u mean bowls?...i don't really moke, but they've
got some killer glass piece artists round these parts, has
anybody seen the new neon designs?

sashimi rocks!!...you can get it unsliced here at seafood japan
restaurant for like $5!!...you can also get an 8 pak of california
rolls @ the super big bear on the east side!!...still doesn't beat
some of the happy hour specials they have on the west coast tho!

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I think this is really due to the fact that many of The Orb's tracks
are hard to define.  You have the same problem with Orbital.
There are so many influences in each track that you can basically
pick a style and you wouldn't be outright wrong.  I think it's
funny that something would be called ambient dub, though.  I
think ambient + dub = trance.  Maybe slow trance, but basically
the same thing.  I can see why someone would call it trip-hop
though, because if you took the ambient part out, the 'dub' would
sound very much like a trip-hop bassline at parts.  I don't think 
it has anything to do with marketing.  Just the fact that these 
groups are just hard to define.

peace
dj chrisp


On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 06:38:38 -0800 (PST), Ignatius J. Reilly wrote:

>  
>  "What were the skies like when you were young?"
>  
>  "Little Fluffy Clouds" is a song by an English duo called "The Orb",
comprised of Alex Patterson
>  and "Thrash", a former member of Killing Joke. It was arguably the most
(if not only)
>  dancefloor-friendly cut off their now-classic debut album "The Orb's
Adventures Beyond the
>  Ultraworld". It combines elements of dub reggae with the acid house sound
prevalent at the time of
>  its release. And, finally.. In my opinion it ranks far behind some of
their other efforts, "Blue
>  Room" and "Towers of Dub" being two of my personal favorites.
>  
>   You know, this is really entertaining. At the time it was released
everyone was calling The Orb
>  "ambient dub", now I've heard everything from house to trance to
trip-hop?! You've got your house
>  beats and a dub bassline.. If this were released today I think people may
be calling it "speed
>  garage".. As time goes on marketing will come up with new labels for
styles that have been around
>  for ages, thereby making them appear to be the "next big thing". Usually
by the time someone
>  thinks of a name for a genre there's something new coming along..
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Techno and House are so closely related that sometimes it
can be pretty hard to distinguish between the two.  Saying
that Trance came from House doesn't mean it's not related
to Techno.  In fact, I agree that it's pretty much a direct
descendant of Techno.  Techno itself is just an offshoot
of house.  The only reason it was called Techno to begin
with is because way back in the day Detroit didn't want 
their music confused with early Chicago House.  If that
style of music had started in Chicago I doubt it would have
been distinguished from house.

Anyway, I agree with you.  I'm just saying that something
can't be a descendant of Techno, without also being a 
descendant of House.  That's why I don't understand
why everyone around here loves House and Techno, but hates
Trance.  It doesn't make sense.  

If you say you hate trance but love techno check out L.S.G.
He's a German Dark Trance producer and his work's as good
as any techno I've ever heard. 

peace
dj chrisp



On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:46:57 -0800 (PST), Jon Gotti wrote:

>  but if you traced the roots of trance back to its
>  emergence, I believe you will find that it dates to
>  when Europe started to get in on techno and started
>  adding its own flavor with the synth washes and what
>  not.
>  
>  --- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  > I think all styles are related to each other in some
>  > way if you look at the big picture; but if you were
>  > to
>  > get more anal about all this - there's progressive
>  > housey trance that Sasha spins that sounds a lot
>  > more
>  > like than anything else, there's hard stompy trance
>  > that sounds more like techno, etc.
>  > 
>  > 
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A Guy Called Chris wrote:
>>If you say you hate trance but love techno check out L.S.G.
Hey, LSG's pretty dope...they know how to rock those slow jams...not like
today's weak r&b...who's your favorite member?  Mine's Gerald Levert,
with Johnny Gill coming in a close second...sorry...I'm bored at school...
Jerry
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On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Chris Phillips wrote:

> 
> Techno and House are so closely related that sometimes it
> can be pretty hard to distinguish between the two.  Saying
> that Trance came from House doesn't mean it's not related
> to Techno.  In fact, I agree that it's pretty much a direct
> descendant of Techno.  Techno itself is just an offshoot
> of house.  The only reason it was called Techno to begin
> with is because way back in the day Detroit didn't want 
> their music confused with early Chicago House.  If that
> style of music had started in Chicago I doubt it would have
> been distinguished from house.
> 
> Anyway, I agree with you.  I'm just saying that something
> can't be a descendant of Techno, without also being a 
> descendant of House.  That's why I don't understand
> why everyone around here loves House and Techno, but hates
> Trance.  It doesn't make sense.  
> 
> If you say you hate trance but love techno check out L.S.G.
> He's a German Dark Trance producer and his work's as good
> as any techno I've ever heard. 
> 
> peace
> dj chrisp
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:46:57 -0800 (PST), Jon Gotti wrote:
> 
> >  but if you traced the roots of trance back to its
> >  emergence, I believe you will find that it dates to
> >  when Europe started to get in on techno and started
> >  adding its own flavor with the synth washes and what
> >  not.
> >  
> >  --- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >  > I think all styles are related to each other in some
> >  > way if you look at the big picture; but if you were
> >  > to
> >  > get more anal about all this - there's progressive
> >  > housey trance that Sasha spins that sounds a lot
> >  > more
> >  > like than anything else, there's hard stompy trance
> >  > that sounds more like techno, etc.
> >  > 
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:--Steviet069@aol.com wrote--
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A friend wants to come to Madison March 15 to see Juan Atkins (in Milwaukee
really - at DISH) followed by Delta the following Fri and Silverman Sat.  As
you might guess, her finances are very limited.  Can anyone help point out
places that sell cheap tickets at the last minute ... don't they do that to
try to fill unsold seats on the plane?  Something like priceline.com or
better?  Private replies are fine if it is not appropriate for the maillist.

Thanks in advance - she was going to drive down but this morning her car
broke (and it is really broke now).  So we are looking at alternatives -
even a bus would be fine - any ways to get discounts on Greyhound out there?

She's coming from Alstead, NH (near Keene NH) - OK it is a tiny town, not
even on many maps!  :)  I can drive to pick her up anywhere in Madison or
Milwaukee or even Chicago O'Hare airport (I have driven to O'Hare many
times).


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Please NOOOOO!  I cannot withstand
the Alanis attack.  Now go and get
a shrubbery or we shall keep saying
NI!



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it's a free ride when you've already paid. it's the good advice that you
just didn't take. and who would have thought...it figures...

<grin>
lauryn

ps. alanis is god. didn't you know. how dare you taketh her name in vain.
hahah. (watch "dogma".)

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>ps. alanis is god. didn't you know. how dare you taketh her name in vain.
>hahah. (watch "dogma".)
i thought having alanis singing during the credits was a little cruel,
since theyd just explained..and shown.. that mortals couldnt withstand the
power of her voice. during the first few notes, my life flashed before my
eyes... ;)

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Hey everyone, 

DJ Top Speed, Indy scratch DJ extraordinair will be spinning
at Mixerz in West Lafayette tomorrow night.  He's one of the
best scratch DJs in the midwest.  He spins mostly hip-hop and
breaks.  Definitely  worth the 4 bucks get in.  That's Mixerz 
at: 210 N. 6th St. Lafayette, IN.  Assuming your coming from 
I-65: take the US 26 exit and take that to downtown Lafayette.
Once you reach 6th street hang a right and it's two blocks down
and on the left.  He'll be doing and extended set.  Something
like 5 or 6 hours..  Did I mention it's only 4 BUCKS???

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god or not she still couldn't stand on her head.

good flick, that.

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could you get a hold of charlie via phone and make sure he knows you won't be 
able to pick us up from the airport at 2:45 pm when we arrive?  he changed 
his email on us and I get get a hold of him.

otherwise we're going to sit in detroit metro for three hours and we've no 
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Yeah that was a great movie until she walked out.. 
At least they were smart enought not to let her 
talk! :)  Silent Bob is a personal hero of mine.
Just so you know..


On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:13:32 -0500 (EST), lauryn g. wrote:

>  it's a free ride when you've already paid. it's the good advice that you
>  just didn't take. and who would have thought...it figures...
>  
>  <grin>
>  lauryn
>  
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>  hahah. (watch "dogma".)
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Ok I know this is the MIDWEST raves list and this isnt
a midwest thing but fuck it i'll review it anyway.
Plus I havent wrote to list forever so deal with it. 

Ok got there and one of the 4front Residents Benny B
was spinning. Spun some really good hardstep with some
rollers thrown in. Really good mixing to nice to see
jungle djs mess with the fader. Also MC's trick and
Sonik were going off. Even tho Trick gets annoying at
times he can get a crowed hyped. Sonik could flow to.
Overreal pretty good for the local djs.

After Benny came the start of the Renegade hardware
tour with DJ Loxy steppin to the decks with MC Rage.
Ok Loxy bored the shit out of me for about the first
20 mintues with his boring 2 steppin sound all the
same UK Jungle but then shit got wikked when he
dropped this sick rmx of Gas Mask with a lot of amens.
Then came the rmx of Turbulence with the use of the
amens again. MC Rage was tryin to mc but basically
sucked. I can only take so much of the club name being
mentioned and go crazy boston before it gets stupid.
Loxy's set ended really well. Then the usual suspects
came on and rocked the place. From their first track
to their last it was nothing but hard rolling jungle
to get your body moving. Played one track that got the
double rewind which was totally sick. Overreal their
set really impressed me. Even tho I could have done
without Rage mc'in. Overreal on a scale of one to ten
i rate this as an 8. Id enjoy'd seeing UFO! the last
time way more then this but it's nice to have such a
strong jungle scene up here. Hopefully the 22nd will
be good with Hype and GQ in NYC. Well that's it. Maybe
I'll review that. Nice to post to the list again. Jon
Gotti get back to me if you are still on the list. And
Kidentropy too please.

Peace

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>Hey, what's the best song by Kraftwerk in everyone's opinion?

Radioactivity.

The record I got for $1 and saw being auctioned on ebay for $754275406.

*cackle*

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Autobahn ... I still have my copy of the album - I bought it when it was
released back in the mid 70's.

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How can I find that album? CD preferred!

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> On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Twine sound wrote:
> > Check out MATMOS latest album.  ;)
> 
> Yea, I didn't even think about that, and it's still in my CD player from
> my drive to work today, oddly enough.
> 
> Last year when they played Minneapolis the banjo got busted out, too.  
> 
> As Kid606 says, "Matmos Are the A-Team of Electronica."
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damn you're old.

Techno Heaven Len wrote:

> Autobahn ... I still have my copy of the album - I bought it when it was
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Couldn't help but thinking of another great electro group when you mentioned 
MATMOS, called MAT-101.  Really really cool italian electro.

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Yeah!  Radioactivity is a great album too!  Did you get the glow in the dark
album?  I got the album when it was released and it was really cool because
it was pressed on vinyl that glowed in the dark!!!!

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>
> >Hey, what's the best song by Kraftwerk in everyone's opinion?
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> Radioactivity.
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> The record I got for $1 and saw being auctioned on ebay for $754275406.
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In a message dated 3/10/0 3:10:50 AM, djchrisp1 wrote:

<<Techno and House are so closely related that sometimes it
can be pretty hard to distinguish between the two. >>

i find it very easy to distinguish between techno and house.

<<Saying that Trance came from House doesn't mean it's not 
related to Techno. >>

actually saying trance came from house is just plain ig'nant
...trance came from techno...period.

<<In fact, I agree that it's pretty much a direct descendant of 
Techno.>> 

correctomondo.

<<Techno itself is just an offshoot of house.>>

i would say techno is closer to acid house and old school
electro funk than house.

<<The only reason it was called Techno to begin with is 
because way back in the day Detroit didn't want their music 
confused with early Chicago House.  If that style of music had 
started in Chicago I doubt it would have been distinguished 
from house.>>

i'm not too sure about this part because i don't think juan
atkins, kevin saunderson, or derrick may ever defined their
music as anything...it was the music critics that dubbed it
"techno", short for technological music or music made by
computers even tho computer generated music had been goin
on since kraftwerk

another good point is that trance is not ambient, another 
completely different genre of music that is slow, flowing,
emotion driven, and typically played in chill rooms and often
confused as trance...

as mentioned before, if you're going to completely dis an
entire genre of music please do the proper research...because
saying a particular kind of music just "sucks" or is "gay" or
is "for wussies"...just sounds ig'nant...

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Comin' at ya harder than El Nino, here's my top ten:

1)	The eBay auction I won today with 20 kick ass industrial records like
"(Let's Get) Physical", "Attack Ships On Fire", "Big Sexyland", "You
Often Forget", "Beers Steers & Queers" by RevCo and a few Ministry
records too including the Stigmata single with the b-side "Tonight We
Murder" where Groovie Mann of the Thrill Kill Kult does the vocals.  (A
cover by TKK is on Confessions of A Knife called "Burning Dirt")

2)	My brand new RevCo Beers Steers and Queers picture disc that I got in
the mail yesterday with a few old newspaper clippings about the Cocks.

3)	Stuck in Stallis by Mark N., one of the most fucking amazing mixtapes
I've heard in a while.

4)	Finding "Doggy Style" by Snoop Doggy Dogg on vinyl at Exclusive
Company, in the most meager selection of vinyl I've ever seen (Not
counting stores w/o vinyl).

5)	Feeling very good lately

6)	Napster (Where else can you find MP3s such as Charles Manson giving a
speech to parole officers?)

7)	Getting my first mullet sunday night

8)	Locating all my old mixtapes and actually organizing them.

9)	Spinning records

10)	Not being dead.  (Maybe "being not dead" would be gooder)

-- 
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In a message dated 3/10/0 3:22:50 AM, jerry wrote:

<<Hey, LSG's pretty dope...they know how to rock those slow 
jams...not like today's weak r&b...who's your favorite member?  
Mine's Gerald Levert>>

i actually went to college with one of the Levert family...
real rich kid...kinda reminded me of the Cosby's...nice kid
but cheesy sense of humor...

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In a message dated 3/10/0 3:23:47 AM, pixie wrote:

<<it's like rain on your wedding day, ya know>>

din't guns & roses make a music video bout that?...
october rain or something cheesy like that...had that 
model from victoria's secret in it...stephanie seymour?
...the one that axel married, and caused savanna the 
bombshell blond porn star to off herself kurt cobaine 
style because she couldn't have him...i only remember 
this cuz i have this polaroid with me holding savanna's
boobs when she performed at tiffany's cabaret in cleveland
like two weeks before she killed herself...and i only met
her cuz i used to pick up my friend who used to work 
there...

ya, i'm bored too...proscratinatin from e-mailing more
resumes...hell, i could be at enigma or liberty's right now
...and enigma is free on thursdays w/ $3 miami iced teas!
and i think the dj's spin trance there too!!...what the hell
am i thinking?!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 05:34:59 2000
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too bad you don't have AOL, they actually have a site
that is nothing but plane discounts...you just punch in
the place of departure & destination & the time and it
gives you the best deals.

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>Yeah!  Radioactivity is a great album too!  Did you get the glow in the dark
>album?  I got the album when it was released and it was really cool because
>it was pressed on vinyl that glowed in the dark!!!!

Ya know...I have no idea.  And I can't even check cuz my record is at my
boyfriends place.  I'll find out one of these days tho :P

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 05:59:15 2000
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one big long url.

http://www.zatso.com/index_vnb.jhtml?storyList=32610+32233+33078+32114+33299+33197+32934+32333+32800+33166+31902+32392&storyIndex=2&callLetters=WIAT


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 05:59:41 2000
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as someone who worked in airline reservations for too long....here's some 
tips for you:

if your dates are firm, as in you're not going to change the tickets at all, 
try priceline.com
expedia.com is good also, but always check individual airlines websites also, 
sometime they will run specials over the internet that they don't offer over 
their reservations phone systems. some travel agents are good too cuz they 
can combine the prices of different airlines to get a low fare. But always to 
double check and compare prices, do not settle on the first good fare you 
find. Also 21 day advance notices are a very good plus. most major airlines 
fly to chicago and milwaukee, quite a few fly to Madison, but the two cities 
in N.H. are completely unknown to me, so they might have to travel to fly out.


shawne

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stevie... please... quit posting... for the love of god...

--Steviet069@aol.com wrote--

[>
[>In a message dated 3/10/0 3:23:47 AM, pixie wrote:
[>
[><<it's like rain on your wedding day, ya know>>
[>
[>din't guns & roses make a music video bout that?...
[>october rain or something cheesy like that...had that 
[>model from victoria's secret in it...stephanie seymour?
[>...the one that axel married, and caused savanna the 
[>bombshell blond porn star to off herself kurt cobaine 
[>style because she couldn't have him...i only remember 
[>this cuz i have this polaroid with me holding savanna's
[>boobs when she performed at tiffany's cabaret in cleveland
[>like two weeks before she killed herself...and i only met
[>her cuz i used to pick up my friend who used to work 
[>there...
[>
[>ya, i'm bored too...proscratinatin from e-mailing more
[>resumes...hell, i could be at enigma or liberty's right now
[>...and enigma is free on thursdays w/ $3 miami iced teas!
[>and i think the dj's spin trance there too!!...what the hell
[>am i thinking?!


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Got nothing to do tonight?  Looking forward to a long evening leeching
pay-porn sites of their free samples?  Do you spend most of your free
time sitting in front of a computer screen, cold and alone in a world
that doesn't love or understand you?

Well you're a dork and a freak.  Stay away from me, loser.

For the rest of you who want to get your rave on but are short on the
dough or long on wanting to get get down, the Ann Arbor Whistle Posse
says, 'Rave on!'

Turn that frown upside down, 'cause State:Awake is bringing you another
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 06:25:10 2000
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>Hey, what's the best song by Kraftwerk in everyone's opinion?


my vote goes for "The Model".


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In a message dated 3/10/0 6:05:03 AM, voigtjr wrote:

<<stevie... please... quit posting... for the love of god...>>

me the rox, give up the box, so u can brag about it for the
next six bux?...shiiiiiii!!

eeew, did i just drop sum cheesy rhymes?

k, i just e-mailed this resume for this dating service...s'posed
to pay like $40K-$90K/yr....hope i get it....i could use the dough, i'm
gettin sick o this ghetto life!!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 07:18:21 2000
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hey im driving all the way from north carolina to hear
some good house music somewhere in the M W. please
reply immidiatly for i am badly in need of some house!!
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 07:39:20 2000
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Subject: [mw] Name of a Song
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Hey can anyone give me the title and artist of a song.

This song is in the background of DJ Icey's remix on the Digital Empire C=
D Disk #2 song 10

The words of the main chourus is

People get ready
people get ready. =20

Ready to flow.

It's a females voice that sings it.  And she talks about the "sea".  Some=
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I could be wrong. =20

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AUTOBAHN.

-riotnerd


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>Hey, what's the best song by Kraftwerk in everyone's opinion?
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 07:46:14 2000
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if yer in need of house, heres whatcha wanna do:

take a shovel, bash yerself in the back of the head, and knock your body 
into a corpse that you dug for yourself 20 minutes prior to actually hitting 
yourself in the back of the head with a shovel... ALL UNITE UNDER THE VIBE 
OF HOUSE MUSIC!!!!!

>From: MARK RETTMAN <marker_79@yahoo.com>
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>Subject: [mw] any good chicago house music parties this saturday?
>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:18:16 -0800 (PST)
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>hey im driving all the way from north carolina to hear
>some good house music somewhere in the M W. please
>reply immidiatly for i am badly in need of some house!!
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Pocket Caulculator


>From: "Ross Wolinsky" <riotnerd28@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "Ross Wolinsky" <riotnerd28@hotmail.com>
>To: DJDolorem@aol.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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>Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 23:41:39 PST
>
>AUTOBAHN.
>
>-riotnerd
>
>
>>From: DJDolorem@aol.com
>>Reply-To: DJDolorem@aol.com
>>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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>>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 23:38:41 EST
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>>Hey, what's the best song by Kraftwerk in everyone's opinion?
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 08:57:08 2000
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i like autobahn...but sorry i still like numbers best...just simply
because it has the most memories attached to it. uno dos tres quattro...

i once told people that the reason i was majoring in japanese was to find
out what "ichi ni san shi" meant...heheh as if it wasn't obvious. heheh.

kraftwerk. ahhhhh. =)

peace
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 09:15:35 2000
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On 03/09/2000 10:38 PM DJDolorem@aol.com prophesized the following:

> Hey, what's the best song by Kraftwerk in everyone's opinion?


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 10:08:58 2000
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At home full on and all the after hours are closed.

PLEASE tell me where I can go on Thursday nights, (and Friday Sat.)
after 2:00 a.m. in Detroit where I'm guaranteed the place is open, there
are ballonns/drinks, and the music is tight.

Rolling too hard... typing is tough.

This took 4 minutes to write and proof read.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 10:57:03 2000
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Could someone either 

a*  give me directions to the Cincy party tonight
(Friday 3/10) or

b* give me the # to call for said directions!!

I heard Kikoman is playing and I haven't heard him in
quite some time!!!

O)-<
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 11:04:06 2000
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> Could someone either 
> 
> a*  give me directions to the Cincy party tonight
> (Friday 3/10) or
> 
> b* give me the # to call for said directions!!
> 
> I heard Kikoman is playing and I haven't heard him in
> quite some time!!!
> 
> O)-<
> DANCE
> 
> -Danny A.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 12:13:56 2000
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In a message dated 10/03/00 5:09:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
b-rave@okronley.com writes:

<< At home full on and all the after hours are closed.
 
 PLEASE tell me where I can go on Thursday nights, (and Friday Sat.)
 after 2:00 a.m. in Detroit where I'm guaranteed the place is open, there
 are ballonns/drinks, and the music is tight.
 
 Rolling too hard... typing is tough.
 
 This took 4 minutes to write and proof read.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 14:11:52 2000
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I think you have the greater portion of the midwest confused with Lexington.

kitten

>From: Steviet069@aol.com
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>Subject: [mw] tips for people unfamilar with the MW
>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:11:17 EST
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>Here are some tips for people unfamiliar with the MW:
>
>you must:
>- be white & put down all the other races
>- drive a truck
>- drink alotta beer
>- watch alotta football
>- listen to country or heavy metal
>- curse constantly
>- call women "broads" or "chicks"
>
>if you fail to meet all these pre-requisites, then
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If anyone is going to the winter music conference and would be willing to do 
me a favor, please respond privately. It would be even more helpful if the 
person knew tommie sunshine. Thanks much-

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In a message dated 3/10/0 2:12:07 PM, housekitten wrote:

<<I think you have the greater portion of the midwest confused 
with Lexington.

kitten>>

nah...lexington ain't that bad actually...i hear it gets worse the
further west & south u get tho.

btw, housekitty when does spring break start for ya, we gotta 
skool the back-woods kids again, they're gettin ig'nant again...

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 15:00:28 2000
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this was posted to stl-raves last night...
gracie is my friend from st.charles, mo
i was also quoted in the riverfront times article
but i haven't had any complications like this...

i'm forwarding it because it's damn relevant
and the other 200 msgs i read weren't

has anyone else had experiences like this?
my highschools sure didn't try nonsense like that...

adam_louis

----- Original Message -----
From: <XxEntRezXx@aol.com>
To: <ZenMerlin@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: please post to the list...IMPORTANT


> im sure that many of you remember the ROLLING ON THE RIVER
> article featured in the rft about 3 months ago.  I was quoted in the
article.
> Today my school pulled me out of class and i was heavily questioned
> by a police office about the article, and about what i know about this
> article.  i am VERY VERY VERY upset by this.  And my school is now
> wanting to put me into a special drug class, instead of the classes that i
> am taking...
>
> since i was in the article they think i am a heavy drug user.  they
searched
> me and my bag.  I AM EVEN MORE UPSET BY THIS.  My participating
> in an article and going to raves has no effect on my schooling.  I did
> not cut class, and i am a straight a student.  Also today they were
handing
> out surveys in seminar asking for names of other students that go to
> raves.  I know this went on a little.  I was just wonmdering why.  If
anyone
> knows ANYTHING about a new increase of police or whatever down
> looking on our scene please let me
> know...Is this just in st charles?
>
> i am outraged that because i like to go to parties and dance and have
> a great time...that i can no longer take the classes i like.  They arent
> sure if i should be allowed to go to germany even.  But im still going to
> germany.
>
> i leave early saturday morning.
>
> hope everything is great while im gone.  sorry for bitching.  try not to
miss
> me too much while im scampering about in europe.
>
> Love
> Grace



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In a message dated 3/10/0 10:09:22 AM, b-rave wrote:

<<Rolling too hard... typing is tough.

This took 4 minutes to write and proof read.

All help is extremely appreciated. Please REPLY private if concerned
about locs.>>

are you sure you're on the right list?

this is mw-back-woods!!

um, do u mean u drank one too many rollin rocks?

what color is your truck?...cuz if it ain't black or white,
you're gay!!...and we don't like your kind round our parts!!

and you best not be anotha one of em hare lipped asians
or we'll find ways of gettin rid of y'allz...just member
hiroshima & 'nam...yah, well we got bigger bombs now,
baby!!!...you think WWII wuz bad ass...wait'll you see what
we got planned for WWIII!!!...soon evrybody be havin to
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 15:21:16 2000
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Actually I have lived in Lexington for a while and it is no different than 
the rednecks and hoosiers in the rest of the midwest.  Shit if you wanna to 
talk about beer drinking and football watching try going to Wisconsin :)  
This mother fucker's are no joke.... They love their beer and Badger 
football. :)

Cursing constantly..Chicago!!!!!  Hello!!!!!!!!

Now driving trucks is a southern thing though.  But shit..I'd kill for a 
fuckin' black Suburban

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I think you have the greater portion of the midwest confused with Lexington.

kitten

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>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] tips for people unfamilar with the MW
>Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 19:11:17 EST
>
>Here are some tips for people unfamiliar with the MW:
>
>you must:
>- be white & put down all the other races
>- drive a truck
>- drink alotta beer
>- watch alotta football
>- listen to country or heavy metal
>- curse constantly
>- call women "broads" or "chicks"
>
>if you fail to meet all these pre-requisites, then
>you will be deemed "gay".
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In a message dated 3/10/0 3:01:05 PM, XxEntRezXx wrote:

<<> i am outraged that because i like to go to parties and 
dance and have a great time...that i can no longer take the 
classes i like.>>

well there's your problem right there, boy...only gay people 
dance!!!...some of em gay ass people tried dancin round our
parts to their gay music...we had our sherifs put em in jail!!

plus you were at one of them "rave" type parties!!...and i saw
on fox that everybody does drugs there...no wonder they're so
gay!!!...i mean they don't even drink beer there!!...and what's
this peace & love shit?!...don't these faggots know this country
was founded on killin indians, black slaves, & railroad buildin
orientals?!...now quit yur bitchin and buy some beer and a 
shotgun like everybody else round here!!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 15:28:23 2000
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>From: "Trevor Lamont" <houseman606@hotmail.com> wrote on: Fri, 10 Mar >2000 
>10:20:48 EST
>
>Actually I have lived in Lexington for a while and it is no different than 
>the rednecks and hoosiers in the rest of the midwest.  Shit if you wanna to 
>talk about beer drinking and football watching try going to Wisconsin :)  
>This mother fucker's are no joke.... They love their beer and Badger 
>football. :)

This, of course, is quite true. Consequentially, that is why I am moving 
back to Wisconsin in August. (joking) My little snide comment about 
Lexington was just tounge-in-cheek as I am just a disgruntled student at the 
moment and counting the days until graduation (May 7, feel free to send 
cards and gifts) There are rednecks everywhere, irrespective of the 
geographical region. Lexington, however, is just too small of a city for me.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 15:34:52 2000
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I am not sure if this has been forwarded yet to the
lists but I feel this needs to be passed on.  Its
happening all over the midwest and now St. Louis maybe
next.

-------------------------------
From: xxentrezx-@aol.com
Full-name: XxEntRezXx
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:06:17 EST
Subject: please post to the list...IMPORTANT


im sure that many of you remember the ROLLING ON THE
RIVER article featured in the rft about 3 months ago.
I was quoted in the article. Today my school 
pulled me out of class and i was heavily questioned by
a police office about the article, and about what i
know about this article. i am VERY VERY VERY 
upset by this. And my school is now wanting to put me
into a special drug  class, instead of the classes
that i am taking...

since i was in the article they think i am a heavy
drug user. they searched  me and my bag. I AM EVEN
MORE UPSET BY THIS. My participating in an article 
and going to raves has no effect on my schooling. I
did not cut class, and i am a straight a student. Also
today they were handing out surveys in seminar 
asking for names of other students that go to raves. I
know this went on a little. I was just wonmdering why.
If anyone knows ANYTHING about a new 
increase of police or whatever down looking on our
scene please let me know...Is this just in st. louis? 

i am outraged that because i like to go to parties and
dance and have a great time...that i can no longer
take the classes i like. They arent sure if i  should
be allowed to go to g ermany even. But im still going
to germany. 


Love
Grace
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 15:39:09 2000
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The follow was taken from http://www.strangeloop.nu/
after the party got shoot down in Louisville.
It is part of an apology from Jason Clark about the
Valentine's party. 

Please read it.  

Jason Clarke wrote:

in my opinion, this event was doomed from the
start to be shut down. not by any wrongdoing on our
part, but more because of the negative
publicity the scene has been a part of lately. 
the raids in nashville, the arrests in southern
indiana and the media coverage of that bust. when we
collectively let ourselves get into 
these situations, we open ourselves to the long arm of
the law. we live within a certain realm of "freedom",
but we cannot escape from that which our society has
deemed wrong or hurtful to each
other _or_ ourselves. if we disagree with these
decisions made, we have the freedom to try to change
them, but we still have to pay the
price of breaking those laws. if that means that
the police buckle down on our events, it really
saddens me. but i also see alot of ugly
stuff go down in our scene that really needs to 
be stopped. if we can't stop it ourselves, then i'm
sure the authorities would be glad to stop it
for us.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 15:48:48 2000
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 15:54:24 2000
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Subject: [mw] March 18th Anabolic road trip anyone ? ---> GR
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.. hey, what's up all ;) .. a friend of mine is a huge
fan of Hullabaloo and Anabolic Frolic .. his wedding
day is Saturday March 18th, so we put together a party
in his, and his soon to be wife's honor .. we've
called the party, 'Reception' (how fitting ;) .. the
Location is Grand Rapids, Michigan (about 2hrs west of
Detroit, 2.5hrs north of Chicago) .. Anabolic Frolic &
MC E By Gum are booked for that date, and we have
secured a clean 3,800 capacity space with plenty of
sound and lights .. a variety of many other local and
out of state djs are also on the bill .. we're
charging $5 with an out-of-state id, $10 if you RSVP
(rsvp to p616meg@aol.com), and $15 with neither, but
if you're on mw-raves, save your money for gas and
just email me for guest list ;) .. 

other DJs include:  

Mezmer 
(House - Urbana/Champain/Peoria kids might know him ;)

Tom Smith 
(Jack House - Surreal City - BC)

DJ JD vs. Scotty V. 
(2x4 tables - Tech-house - CC Tech -
wavetransmissions.com / CC Tech - Lansing)

Demetri Nocturnal 
(Trance - A.M. Records - Kenosha)

Heart & Soulsystem 
(Funky House - A.M. Records / Raverworld.com - Kenosha
/ Chicago)

G-Money 
(Drum & Bass - A.M. Records - Kenosha)

Ric H. 
(Jack House - groove junkies - GR)

Shannon Williams
(Techno - Revolution - GR)

.. for more info on lots of stuff we're up to,
including upcoming events, many photos, sounds, etc.,
you can check: http://p616.com .. 

Info# 616/752-8202

hope to see ya! ;)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 16:09:26 2000
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The song is "Beachball" by Nalin & Kane.
It's a trance song but there are two breaks
remixes of it by Icey.

Have a listen . . .
http://209.237.157.45/ram/39506.RAM

Cheers,
Daddy Bob



----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [mw] Name of a Song


Hey can anyone give me the title and artist of a song.

This song is in the background of DJ Icey's remix on the Digital Empire CD
Disk #2 song 10

The words of the main chourus is

People get ready
people get ready.

Ready to flow.

It's a females voice that sings it.  And she talks about the "sea".
Something like free as the sea.  I think the name of the song is "the sea".
I could be wrong.

Any help would be great.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 16:25:42 2000
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Well, the first place you can check is a place called "Freaks of D'town" and 
it's on the corner of Hershey Highway and Douthinkimstupid Ave.  They always 
have plenty of underage children and free drugs for all.  There is no cover, 
and if you are under 18 and clearly display your genitalia the owner might 
pay you to come inside.  Most of the people who go there appreciate it when 
you come in costume, something along the lines of a character from Magic: 
The Gathering, or vinyl pants with a tank top.  Otherwise make sure your 
hair is a vibrant color like blue and you are wearing an assortment of candy 
with a Caffeine t-shirt.

Rave on...


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>At home full on and all the after hours are closed.
>
>PLEASE tell me where I can go on Thursday nights, (and Friday Sat.)
>after 2:00 a.m. in Detroit where I'm guaranteed the place is open, there
>are ballonns/drinks, and the music is tight.
>
>Rolling too hard... typing is tough.
>
>This took 4 minutes to write and proof read.
>
>All help is extremely appreciated. Please REPLY private if concerned
>about locs.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 16:54:51 2000
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I like butter on my rolls.



     

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 17:20:35 2000
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> How about 'Duelling Techno?'  While not really banjo-techno, it is a
> quasi-cover of 'Duelling Banjos.'
> 
> "Drop them britches, c'mon now.  C'mon squeal!"

I'm gonna cast my vote for Beers, Steers & Queers.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 17:25:33 2000
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hell yeah...haven't listened to them in a LONG time...ahh those were the
days =)

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> > How about 'Duelling Techno?'  While not really banjo-techno, it is a
> > quasi-cover of 'Duelling Banjos.'
> >
> > "Drop them britches, c'mon now.  C'mon squeal!"
>
> I'm gonna cast my vote for Beers, Steers & Queers.
>
>
> "Texas has religion... Revolting Cocks are gods!"
>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 17:27:40 2000
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Umm.. How about Man Machine, Computer World, Electric Cafe, Radioactivity, Tour de France..
Yeh that narrows it down..

Has anyone else heard Wolfgang Fleur's <sp> solo project "Yamo"? It's pretty cool, too.

Now is the time on Sproketz when we dance.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 17:35:33 2000
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Big Black's cover version of the Model is the best Kraftwerk song.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 17:38:49 2000
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You are for sure a cop.

>>At home full on and all the after hours are closed.
>>
>>PLEASE tell me where I can go on Thursday nights, (and Friday Sat.)
>>after 2:00 a.m. in Detroit where I'm guaranteed the place is open, there
>>are ballonns/drinks, and the music is tight.
>>
>>Rolling too hard... typing is tough.
>>
>>This took 4 minutes to write and proof read.
>>
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>>about locs.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 18:06:49 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] RevCo was: banjo Techno
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Never mind Kraftwerk.. Fave RevCo song:

either their cover of Rod Stewart "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy" <hilarious>

OR "Attack Ships on Fire"


sucker for a Blade Runner reference,


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 18:35:22 2000
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Anyone know the capacity for this party?  Or when it starts?  
I'm flying from Iowa City to Cincinnati in a few hours, and 
don't want to get fucked over and left out in the cold, after traveling so 
far.
  It's happened to me before (superstarsoflove SUCKS!), so any 
info about how early I should show up would be much appreciated.

~Sarah~

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March 25, 2000
SOUTHERN IL 
at:THE HANGAR
RT.13-illinois ave.---the main strip in Carbondale
6hrs Chicago, 1.5 hrs  St Louis, 4 Hrs Tn

SUBMERGE101 Chicago IL, UC, Industrial Strength Artist, The Agency
Making a special appearance here in the southern part of IL, we are proud to 
have one of chicago's Favorite Techno Dj's. Submerge101 has made a major 
impact on the Techno Industry, From The US to the UK he always manages to get 
a crowd roaring and will definetly show southern IL what the meaning of true 
techno is all about, get ready for some pounding driving beats.

LA MAKITA SOMA Live Electronic Band
>From St Louis to Detroit to Chicago, This Band is will surely impress you, 
They are making a major impact on the midwest, and will be playing tunes 
beyond your wildest dreams, check out this band as they are ready to to once 
again bring an uproar to Carbondale.

MICHAEL MINTON, Trust Productions.
One of our fav dj's here in Carbondale will be also playing this very night 
and will give any dj a run for his money. From his soulful house music to his 
uplifting beats, michael minton is a crowd fav here at SIU, come check him 
out and find out why.

There will also be a bar for those 21 and up.
Info Line 
847-289-4139
Cost will be 3 to 5 dollars

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I *HEART* BIG BLACK.

EAT IT, LAFFEY, STEVE ALBINI RULES!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 20:13:41 2000
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At 02:59 PM 3/10/00 -0600, you wrote:
>I *HEART* BIG BLACK.
>
>EAT IT, LAFFEY, STEVE ALBINI RULES!

YOU MEAN SUPER-HACKER STEVE ALBINI?!

*FUCK* MITNICK, ALBINI IS THE OG SUPER HACKER!

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 Wow, the 2nd time in as many months they've come up. So.. "Atomizer", or "Songs About Fucking"?
Let's see.. RevCo, Big Black.. Einsterzende Neubaten?


 techno snobbery,

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who's all goin to this? you freqs wanna meet up or somethin?


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 21:17:40 2000
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gotta be "Musique Non Stop"

And I still chant, "I program my home kompooter....me myself into the
future..." everytime I install software.

peace...gregori


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> Hey, what's the best song by Kraftwerk in everyone's opinion?
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 22:28:16 2000
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, Ignatius J. Reilly wrote:

If I didn't feel like shit, and start coughing my ass off everytime I move
a centimeter, I'd go... But, I start my "field experience" at the high
school on Monday and need to get better before that. =) That and I
wouldn't want any of my students to see me in that atmosphere first and
THEN see me in class on Monday. ;) But ya'll have a good time! =)

> 
> who's all goin to this? you freqs wanna meet up or somethin?
> 

-Becky =)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 10 23:14:20 2000
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i'll be there tonight....... cuz i get to play the good `ol 10:00 to
11:00 spot!!! ooohh yeah!!!

anyways.. if it hasnt been posted already today, here's the lineup for
tonight

Floorpaln 04 (Fri.3.10.2000)

Halo.  Moody, Champion Sound. Chicago.
Derrick Thompson. Soiree. XPLOR, Dirty Loop. Cincinnati.
Robert Curcio. Dirty Loop, 3 to 5, Night Life Collective, Soiree. NYC.
Troll & Firecat. Sweat, CBS, DV8. Cincy.
Shiva. The Goddess Complex. Indy.
Spirit. The Technologist. Cincy.
Brian Drabant. Subsonik. Cincy.
Spahn. Ruffdrapht, Subsonik. Cincy.

main info and directions:

513.682.3282
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You can get into Stairway to Headphones 3: Laughing Forever for FREE if you 
can identify 10 tracks, each with appx. 10sec sound bites. Just go here 
http://www.mnrave.com/contest/index.html

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 00:06:09 2000
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hey everyone, we are going to be bringing you a live netcast from
tfc's ITERATION tonight.  the show will start at 9:00pm EST and the
lineup is gonna look somethin like this:

9-10     - p-nut
10-11:30 - sky
11:30-1  - g-13
1-2:30   - bagel
2:30-4   - woojay
4-5:30   - 1-auxy
5:30-7   - malachi

this netcast will be in mp3 format with the help of the icecast streaming
server of course!

tune in at:

http://chemlab.org

this is NOT an excuse not to be here!  for information and directions,
check out TFC's website at http://futureconsortium.com

later,
-steve ;>

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> I'm gonna cast my vote for Beers, Steers & Queers.
> 
> "Texas has religion... Revolting Cocks are gods!"

Well I dunno what this 'Cocks' thing is, I think it's a male strip show,
a dance show.  I'll have to call them and ask them what is that, what do
they call it?

Favorite cocks song: Attack Ships on Fire

I have a few old RevCo articles clipped from a newspaper around 1990
(Beers Steers & Queers era) that I'll scan and shit sometime.  Including
one about some guy who wanted to ban RevCo from England because of one
of their shows where big Al set a fire onstage and the local police +
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At 12:39 PM -0800 03/10/2000, Ignatius J. Reilly wrote:
>  Wow, the 2nd time in as many months they've come up. So.. 
>"Atomizer", or "Songs About Fucking"?
>Let's see.. RevCo, Big Black.. Einsterzende Neubaten?
>
>
>  techno snobbery,
>
>        -Ted
>

Jordache... Jordache Jeans.
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Derek "plaslaiko" 
(or anyone that knows him can pass along my email)

I need to confer with you on a professional
opportunity/production...please email me as soon as possble for
information...I recommended you to someone with an interest in dj
contribution...

email me at this email or oldsoul@home.com
thanks
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 02:15:51 2000
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> Wow, the 2nd time in as many months they've come up. So.. "Atomizer"
> or "Songs About Fucking"?

Personally... I'm all about the Racer X ep and the Pigpile video...
where Albini bleeds all over the place and his white Die Kreuzen shirt
is pink by the end of the concert.

> Let's see.. RevCo, Big Black.. Einsterzende Neubaten?

me and Deadly Buda went to see Einstuerzende Neubauten in Denver in
'98... it wasn't as crazy as their old stuff (read: "2x4" is madness)...
but they did do Headcleaner and that's all that really matters..
 
btw:  has anyone heard the Hawtin and Aquaviva remixes of Laibach?  I've
got one of the singles for Wirschaft Ist Tot, but apparently it's not
the one they had a hand in... it's still a cool track though... it
samples the score from Carrie.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 04:08:59 2000
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I *heart* my friends, because they're great and make me feel good.

Just wanted to share. That's all.

-ben . elroy


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saturday night (03.11.2000) on the olaris network 
the 2nd birthday party
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 04:11:22 2000
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I *heart* napster. A lot!

~Menning

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 04:32:58 2000
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whats in my tape deck / cd player in my car....

aka whats hot

tapes

luis aguilera - something for the mind / tour through techno - DOPE!
matt bandy - something for the soul   - if you see this pick it up!
thee-o live @ no place like home
dj sy, brisk & mc storm live @ no place like home
angel alanis & colette live pa @ soundstorm
tommy dreamer - what dreams are made of
paul anthony - silicone disco
dj rush - special maxell mix


in the trunk

cd's

richie hawtin live in iowa city
dj rush live @ fuse
dave angel live @ karma
dave angel live @ motor lounge
paul oakenfold live @ newyears 2000
dj sneak & daft punk live



-gruveeeeee




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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 05:58:44 2000
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Here's a small list of some of my favorite songs of the 80s up to today. I 
could go for all time but that list would be too long.

"Little Fluffly Clouds" The Orb
"Love of My Life" Northern Lights
"Madagascar" Art of Trance
"Eurolove" Brisk and Trixxy
"Working for Vacation" Cibo Matto
"Multi-family Garagesale" Land of the Loops
"Renegade Master (most of the mixes)" Originally by DJ Wildchild
The list goes on, I just felt like sharing cuz I just found all of these on 
napster, I LOVE NAPSTER!!!

~Menning

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 06:09:35 2000
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There's a new board for "western" midwest.  If you visited a few weeks ago 
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Here's the URL: http://pub8.ezboard.com/briverravers

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Safari Media would like to announce our plans for WMC2000.  We have many
things going on this year, and you're invited!

First...

Safari Media in conjunction with Playboy Magazine present
Caelum @ WMC2000 
March 26th

Headlining DJs:
Armand Van Helden (Stanton, X-Mix Recordings),
C.J. Mackintosh (Cosmack Management, UK),
Danny Rampling (Cosmack Management, UK),
Stretch and Vern (FFRR Records, UK)
Markus Schulz (Plastik Records, Phoenix, AZ)
Andy Hughes (MAFDDAP Recordings, Orlando, FL)

Playboy Playmates:
Vanessa Gleason - Miss September 98
Jennifer Rovero - Miss July 99
Nicole Lenz - Miss March 2000
Kalin Olsen - Miss August 97

Special demonstration by Marz Lighting
Carnival acts by Girls on Stilts.

Location: Salvation Nightclub (1771 West Ave Miami Beach, FL)
Time: 11pm -5am



The next afternoon, March 27, Safari Media with Club Freedom and Playboy
are hosting a private pool party.  
This day of lounging and BBQ'ing poolside will feature legendary house
producer Joey Negro, Dave Ralph, Nigel Richards, a tag team set by Ali
Traxx & Playboy Playmate Jennifer Rovero, Guy & Lysa Oldhams and Mara. 
Be on the lookout for your invitation.  



For the next two nights, if you're not too worn out, join Dream Music and
Safari Media at the Tides for "Suite Dreams" after-hours from 2am - 8am
(these are Tuesday and Wednesday mornings).  
Jam in the living room, chat at the bar, or relax in the balcony's Jacuzzi
while enjoying the talents of Robert Oleysyck, Markus Schulz, J Scott G,
Inertia, Lenny B, CL McSpadden, Andy Hughes and Pete "SuperMix" Salaz.
This event is for WMC badge holders and their guests only.  Look for us in
the "Firefly" Penthouse.
The Tides is located at 1200 Ocean Dr, Miami Beach.
Check www.azraves.org/dream for updates on Suite Dreams.



Finally, be on the lookout for something special from Safari to end the
conference on Wednesday, March 29.  We will be in the Opium Lounge at the
Marlin bringing you some great house talent TBA.  


For more information and updates on Safari Media affiliated WMC events,
please call (877) 472-8352 or check the www.safarimediamusic.com website.

We hope to see you there!


Thanks for your time.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 11:27:35 2000
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while we're talkin favorite songs - has anyone mentioned DJ Shadow/UNKLE
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> Hey, what's the best song by Kraftwerk in everyone's opinion?

    Yes! kraftwerk! "I program my home computer. Beam myself into the
future."

    - Matt Murphy -
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 22:00:04 2000
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If you're not out partying tonight, stay by your computer.

    Saturday night, March 11, 2000
     the
     O L A R I S  N E T W O R K
         2ND BIRTHDAY PARTY

7pm - Olaris Live preshow with guest mix from
      DJ Crackerz of Cincinnati / Slide

8pm - Olaris Network 2nd Birthday Party
      Webcast live from Cincinnati featuring a
      three hour mix from resident dj Elroy

        Tonight starting @ 7/6c on
       http://www.olarisnetwork.com

                                     Enjoy!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 11 23:24:07 2000
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woo hoo!!...stacey pullen rocked the house last night at
red zone!!...the founder of transmat also signed to virgin
and astralwerks opened his set gradually after lemon
lyman kicked things off for the evening...i could only stand
there in awe as mr. pullen kept buildin the energy level
up and up in the house...next time i hope i can dance a bit
more and drink a bit less even if i am fast approachin
middle age (can't believe i'll be 30 on march 20th!!)...but
i guess that's what happes when you get free beers (props
to mr. essence for those & for hookin me up v.i.p. eventho i
think it was only $8 for the door last night)...got to speak
with stacey a li'l bit before his set...very nice man...very
restrained...he let his music do the talkin...it was good to
see alot of the old heads out - you know who you are...after-
wards at the afterhours got to catch keith drop dome wicked 
dark deep jungle rekkids...it must've been a good party since i 
just got up an hour ago & it's like 6pm now....

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talk about kicking a man when their down..

:-) Amy

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 00:16:31 2000
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From: "Techno Heaven Len" <LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com>
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Subject: [mw] NRR: Check how secure your computer is...
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 18:25:25 -0600
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This is not a virus alert ... this is a note about a website that tests how
secure your computer really is ...  and a free program you can install that
will protect your computer from internet hackers! If you have any questions
on this just drop me a private EMail reply (so as not to clutter up the
maillist).

How would you like to log onto a website for the very first time and have it
greet you BY NAME!  And then have the website tell you what the name of your
computer is (if you have setup a name for your computer).  I know I was
surprised when the home page of the test site linked below said "Greetings
Len" and then told me the name I had given to my PC!

Yes ... when you are signed onto the internet, your computer is exposed to
the world unless you take steps to protect yourself and your computer. Last
night I found a free program that you can install to protect your computer
if you are using a PC.

I recommend you visit this webpage to test your computer
security:

http://grc.com/default.htm
(then click on the SHIELDS UP graphics image ... on the next page quickly
read what it says ... if it greets you by NAME then you have a problem!
....Then near the bottom of the screen click on TEST MY SHIELDS button - it
will take a couple minutes for it to try to invade your computer in several
popular ways that hackers typically use to gain access to unprotected
computers.  At the end of that web page click on the PROBE MY PORTS button
to check your ports)

This site is a free service from Steve Gibson ... a name that you may not
know ... but he is one of the few BRILLIANT computer geniuses that has
INTEGRITY!!!  A name you can trust.  He has developed this  website to test
your computer security.  Normally I would not go to any such website because
they might be compiling data on all the computers that enter the site for
advertisers or worse ... but his site I trust.

If you find that your computer is exposed in ways that you are not
comfortable with ... Steve Gibson has highly recommended this free firewall
software program to protect your computer:  ZoneAlarm!

If you have a PC (not MAC) then go to this site and download ZoneAlarm (it
is free):

http://www.zonelabs.com/

After you download ZoneAlarm install it (shut down all other applications
before you install it).  Then run it ... and go to that test website again
and see how secure your computer has become!

NOTE: The program is a firewall that is closing off your computer to the
internet EXCEPT in ways you tell it are OK.  For example, the first time you
try to read your EMail it might popup a warning ... you can choose the
option to allow the access.  Likewise the first time you run AOL AIM it will
popup a warning that you can respond to giving AIM access to the internet.
Etc Etc Etc

Hope this proves helpful to you! Send a private reply EMail if you have any
questions on this topic.

Len Lindsay ( LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com )
[Network Control Specialist - my real job! :)  ]
Madison-Milwaukee Events, Clubs, Stores, Resources:
http://www.technoheaven.com/madison-milwaukee.htm




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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 01:37:34 2000
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in response to the message about the girl who got
questioned in st charles about the rollin on the river
RFT article:
st louis kids, watch your shit.  just within the last
2 weeks, i have known of MANY people getting busted,
12 us marshals were at the oz about a month ago,
people getting raided.  x has become the #1 drug bust
priority, and while ghb is not illegal in MO yet, it
will be very shortly.  PLEASE watch yourself, there is
a very well known girl in the scene who recently got
busted, got off WAY too easily, and now several people
around her have gotten popped.  no names given, but
especially if you go to s grand coffee house on
thursday nights, she also frequents starko parties and
all the st louis parties, keep shit quiet.  please.  i
don't know many people on this list, and i have
retired from the scene for a short while while i get
my life back together, but i like my people, and don't
want to see good people go down.  love you guys.

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Charles John Wa wrote:

> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: marzolf@lclark.edu [mailto:marzolf@lclark.edu]
> > >Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 10:02 PM
> > >To: smithc@Stanford.EDU
> > >Subject: Re: [NWR] Paul Oakenfold [ARTICLE] [LONG] (fwd)
> > >
> > >
> > >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > >Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 21:05:21 -0800 (PST)
> > >From: K. F. Ryan <kfryan@UVic.CA>
> > >To: Demonseed & Nick-E Productions <dneproductions2@hotmail.com>
> > >Cc: nw-raves@hyperreal.org
> > >Subject: Re: [NWR] Paul Oakenfold [ARTICLE] [LONG]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >WORD...
> > >
> > >On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, Demonseed & Nick-E Productions wrote:
> > >
> > >> >From XLR8R Issue No. 38
> > >>
> > >> [ILLUSTRATION]
> > >> *The Gospel According to Saint Paul*
> > >> Oi, where do I know you from, then?
> > >> Right, your that God bloke.
> > >> Wicked man.
> > >> You see me at Creem last night?
> > >> It was blindin! Full on
> > >> kickin, right then, God + 1 at the door,
> > >> next week, mate, massive!
> > >> [/ILLUSTRATION]
> > >>
> > >> A new Boston tea party
> > >>
> > >> Americans have seen their domestic rave culture develop over the last
> ten
> > >> years to a point now where national electronic music tours have been
> > >> successfully organized and regional underground events draw up to 15 to
> > >> 20,000 people. But while the US club scene has matured, developing a
> > >wealth
> > >> of DJ and live talent, it has increasingly fallen prey to established
> > >> British big-club marketing tactics and their attendant mainstream
> "star"
> > >> DJs. Sara Joy Finlayson offers a straight-up appraisal of the effect of
> > >> British commercial-dance hype on the US club scene.
> > >>
> > >> Q. What's the difference between God and a DJ?
> > >> A. Well, God doesn't think he's a DJ.
> > >>
> > >> For a long time, America has cultivated a dance culture that has drawn
> on
> > >> Europe and Great Britain for musical content while simultaneously
> > >> maintaining a healthy independence with regard to its own DJs, artists,
> > >and
> > >> culture. However, in recent years, the balance has shifted as many of
> > >> Britain's more powerful DJs and artists have made a concerted effort to
> > >> break the increasingly fertile American dance market. While artists
> such
> > >as
> > >> Orbital, Sasha & Digweed, Underworld and Paul Van Dyk have
> significantly
> > >> enriched American dance culture, the success of these talented
> performers
> > >> has, in effect, opened the floodgates for a British assault on the
> United
> > >> States. The result of this has been an unquestioning support of many
> big
> > >> British names by American magazines, promoters, and audiences--often at
> > >the
> > >> expense of America's own DJs and artists.
> > >>
> > >> Undoubtedly, the chief offender in America's growing identity crisis is
> > >the
> > >> dance music press. Their tendency to plaster the same big progressive
> > >house
> > >> and trance names on every cover has proven that any British DJ or
> artist
> > >can
> > >> buy the American dance press by employing the right publicist. As
> talented
> > >> as these artists may be, tasteless headlines like "Sasha & Digweed: How
> > >the
> > >> hell did they conquer America?" (Mixer Jan-Feb 1999) not only
> perpetuate
> > >the
> > >> myth that British DJs have seized control of US dance culture, but
> > >alienate
> > >> and anger American DJs who've worked long and hard to successfully
> > >establish
> > >> a similar sound here. This same principal also causes talented artists
> and
> > >> live acts such as The Crystal Method and Uberzone to be overlooked in
> > >favour
> > >> of The Prodigy and the Chemical Brothers. Delegating these DJs and
> bands
> > >to
> > >> a secondary position in lieu of their British counterparts not only
> sells
> > >> them out, but allows the British to capitalize on the hard work of the
> > >> American artists who've labored to build this culture.
> > >>
> > >> Another consequence of the excessive press being given to the British
> is
> > >> that promoters and audiences are wrongly duped into believing these DJs
> > >are
> > >> something special. Clubbers speak in awed, hushed tones about superstar
> > >DJs
> > >> who may or may not be any good--the fact they are famous is enough. The
> > >hype
> > >> that accompanies these big names means American audiences often expect
> a
> > >> transcendent experience, one that the artist generally fails to
> deliver.
> > >> Although this may be due to unreasonable fan expectations, their
> > >> disappointment may also stem from the discovery that some British DJs
> are
> > >> more than happy to rest on their laurels by "playing the hits"--a
> strategy
> > >> that, while proven successful in the predominantly mainstream UK scene,
> > >does
> > >> not cut it in America, where audiences are still largely concentrated
> at
> > >> underground events.
> > >>
> > >> Perhaps the worst example of this type of DJ is Paul Oakenfold. In
> stark
> > >> contrast to numerous underground European DJs such as Sven Vath and
> Chris
> > >> Liberator, and high-profile DJs such as Sasha & Digweed who have built
> > >> strong followings in the United States by playing events here for
> years,
> > >> Oakenfold only appeared to discover America about a year ago.
> Apparently
> > >> unaware that America had a dance scene of any description before he
> > >arrived,
> > >> Paul came crashing in with a glossy publicity and advertising campaign
> > >that
> > >> talked about "introducing this founding father of the UK scene to the
> > >> uneducated Yanks". Obviously a firm believer in his own publicity, Paul
> > >> stumbled in with such blindingly stupid remarks as "I'm probably
> reaching
> > >> out to America more than any other British DJ" and "I want to break
> > >America.
> > >> They've had the Britpop invasion, rock'n'roll, so why shouldn't they
> have
> > >> dance?"
> > >>
> > >> Now, one might think that after coming out here and taking a look
> around,
> > >> Paul might be a little embarrassed by his early comments, but his
> limited
> > >> success only appears to have fuelled the fire. In a recent interview
> with
> > >> Industry Insider, Paul talked about his burning desire to save America
> > >from
> > >> its dreary little scene. "I'll do that to the whole country. I'll take
> it
> > >to
> > >> the next level," he warned.  With his help, Paul believes that "in two
> or
> > >> three years, the USA will be on a similar level to Australia maybe, or
> > >South
> > >> America," at which time he will "be playing to 2000 or 3000 people who
> > >know
> > >> what it's all about." Obviously quite the crusader, Paul concluded by
> > >> saying, "We've taken it as far out as San Diego, Dallas, up to Seattle,
> > >into
> > >> Canada and I've noticed the difference already. We'll come back next
> year
> > >> and the year after. After that, I would expect (America) to be on a
> > >similar
> > >> level to the rest of the world." And in a more recent interview with
> > >> Britain's Seven magazine, Paul talks about how nicely America is coming
> > >> along: "Believe me, they are getting it, and really fast."
> > >>
> > >> I think I speak for the majority of the staff at XLR8R when I say that
> > >after
> > >> six years of publishing this magazine, we are so pleased to finally
> have
> > >> someone like Paul Oakenfold to bring dance music over from Britain and
> > >> finally give us something to write about. Needless to say, Paul has
> > >> contributed a great deal to dance culture over the years--but now he
> needs
> > >> to start working on his public speaking skills. His inane comments beg
> the
> > >> question of whether British DJs believe Americans are sitting around at
> > >> raves and clubs listening to the sound of two tin cans being banged
> > >> together. One need only read American magazines, visit record stores or
> > >pick
> > >> up flyers to see that every weekend, hundreds of thousands of educated
> and
> > >> informed dance music fans are heading out to diverse clubs and parties
> > >where
> > >> they hear some of the world's best DJs play some of the world's best
> > >music.
> > >> Perhaps the confusion for Paul arises from the fact that they are not
> > >going
> > >> to hear *him* play. For instance, while he recently played to a crowd
> of
> > >one
> > >> hundred people at a Santa Monica pub, only one night earlier an outdoor
>
> > >rave
> > >> called Dune attracted a crowd of eight thousand with a line-up of
> > >> California's best progressive house and trance DJs.
> > >>
> > >> Of course, Oakenfold's comments might be vaguely forgivable if he were
> in
> > >> the habit of delivering truly inspirational sets. Hoping this might be
> the
> > >> case, and in preparation  for an interview in XLR8R last year, I went
> to
> > >> hear him play at a small club as part of a tour promoting his best
> selling
> > >> CD Tranceport. Now, I have heard some pretty bad Djs in my time, but
> Paul
> > >> Oakenfold took the cake. In fact, he took the cake shop. The only thing
> > >> worse than the tired medley of yesteryear's dancefloor anthems he
> flogged
> > >> was his intermittent trainwrecks and appalling, miserable mixes. Add to
> > >this
> > >> Paul['s refusal to be photographed while DJing without his headphones
> > >> positioned across his face in his trademark fashion, and you have a
> recipe
> > >> for truly gut-wrenching experience. An hour into his set, I left (along
> > >with
> > >> half the club).
> > >>
> > >> The following day I called his publicist and said "Paul Oakenfold was
> > >> absolutely awful. I can't do the interview." The publicist apologized
> and
> > >> asked me to give him another chance, which I did out of respect for his
> > >role
> > >> in the development of dance music, particularly acid house culture. but
> I
> > >> shouldn't have bothered, because although Pauls mixing got better the
> > >second
> > >> time around, his records got worse. If Oakenfold is genuinely
> considered
> > >the
> > >> world's "Number One DJ" (as proclaimed by British magazines such as
> > >Muzik),
> > >> then I feel very sad for the state of affairs in dance music. Surely
> such
> > >a
> > >> position carries with it a responsibility for expanding listeners'
> minds
> > >and
> > >> exposing them to new forms of music? And if Oakenfold won't accept that
> > >> role, then he should at least attempt to play better quality music than
> > >the
> > >> commercial anthems and hands -in-the-air" hits he dares to call
> "trance".
> > >>
> > >> In light of the obscene amount of press and public attention currently
> > >being
> > >> given to a DJ like Oakenfold, we in America need to ask ourselves what
> > >> direction we want *our* dance culture to take. Do we want to travel
> down
> > >the
> > >> same road as Britain, where many DJs survive on hype alone? How long
> will
> > >it
> > >> be before horrible British DJs such as Boy George, Pete Tong or Jeremy
> > >Healy
> > >> [personally, don't see what's wrong with Healy...too commercial, but a
> > >> decent DJ] are polluting our dance culture? Thus far, America has
> proven
> > >to
> > >> be more democratic than it's British counterpart because our DJs tend
> to
> > >> rise due to skill and innovation. However, if we are not careful, what
> > >will
> > >> ultimately occur here is a sad reflection of Britain's corrupt dance
> > >> institutions, where an elite group of "premier league" DJs dominate the
> > >> clubs and media. This level of power has already led to big names
> charging
> > >> exorbitant fees to play and unsavory practices such as other DJs being
> > >> forced to "play down" in order to make big names look good. Long
> accepted
> > >in
> > >> the UK, these tactics are now making their way to the US, with some
> > >British
> > >> (and European DJs pressuring American DJs to play "low energy" or
> > >lackluster
> > >> sets. This practice is not only offensive to DJs, but insulting to
> > >promoters
> > >> and audiences who pay good money to hear pumping sets all night.
> > >>
> > >> At a deeper level, the issue of American artists being forced to accept
> a
> > >> secondary role to the British calls into question the notion of the US
> > >> maintaining it's own cultural integrity. In 1773, America rejected the
> > >> imperialism that accompanied British culture in favor of developing its
> > >own
> > >> identity. This was the beginning of the American Revolution, and this
> > >> identity is the same powerful force that started hiphop in New York and
> > >the
> > >> techno revolution in Detroit--yet, suddenly, American dance culture has
> > >> developed an inferiority complex. It is time that we gave thought to
> the
> > >> ramifications of this trend. In a perfect world, the American press
> would
> > >> wake the fuck up and start putting American artists on their covers
> > >> again--but unfortunately, this does not seem to be the case. Hence, the
> > >> responsibility now falls upon American audiences to develop independent
> > >> tastes that they are prepared to support in their choice of magazines,
> > >> events and record labels. More than ever before, audiences also need to
> > >make
> > >> it clear that they will not accept second-rate DJs, irrespective of who
> > >they
> > >> are. If not, then this is what they will ultimately be forced to endure
> as
> > >> magazines continue to support these artists and promoters spend
> increasing
> > >> amounts on securing these names at the expense of booking more
> talented,
> > >> committed, and serious DJs.
> > >>
> > >> At the end of the day, this is not about bashing the British. As
> always,
> > >it
> > >> remains important that America draw influences from countries other
> than
> > >> itself. However, we must also be discerning about whom we choose to
> take
> > >> influence from. Dig deep and look beyond the obvious. Don't believe the
> > >hype
> > >> and don't let the cult of personality cloud your judgement. Rise above
> the
> > >> hysteria created by slick publicity campaigns and advertising dollars.
> > >> Approach every DJ and artist with the same open mind, because you might
> be
> > >> surprised by what you hear.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> MORE FROM MR. OAKENFOLD
> > >>
> > >> "Whether it's raising your hands during the breakdown or pointing out a
> > >> person in a crowd and smiling at them, it means the world. I am an
> > >> entertainer. I am a professional."
> > >> -Paul Oakenfold on Paul Oakenfold.
> > >>
> > >> "I'm not doing it for the money."
> > >> -Paul Oakenfold (whose annual earnings, for club work alone, are an
> > >> estimated &pound; 278,000 or $1,250,000 US dollars).
> > >>
> > >> "I'm not that desperate to be a star."
> > >> -Paul oakenfold on Paul Oakenfold...again.
> > >>
> > >> "You know, there's so much racial tension, it's such a downer."
> > >> -Paul Oakenfold on America.
> > >>
> > >> "Of course, I am a big name DJ but I don't play commercial music."
> > >> -Paul Oakenfold on the music he dares to call "trance".
> > >>
> > >> "Yes, I do think I deserve it. If I didn't deserve it, then Guinness
> > >> wouldn't have put me in."
> > >> -Paul Oakenfold on his inclusion in the Guinness Book of World Records.
> > >>
> > >> Da 1 Like Damaja
> > >> Demonseed & Nick-E/Dawn of a New Era (DNE) Productions
> > >> http://dneproductions.hypermart.net
> > >> http://www.mp3.com/dneproductions
> > >> http://www.mp3.com/demonseed    http://www.mp3.com/EbiTamago
> > >> http://www.alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=KMS-681
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 04:15:06 2000
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In a message dated 3/11/0 11:24:41 PM, me wrote:

<<woo hoo!!...stacey pullen rocked the house last night at
red zone!!...the founder of transmat>>

c'mon people, i can't believe only one person caught this
(krobbins)...stacey pullens is not the founder of transmat,
derrick may is!

but unfortunately although mr. may is one of the greatest
producers, he's not the biggest fan of ravers...

===============( from STATIC #3 )====================

MAY: i hate the rave scene...i hate them motherf*ckers!...
i can't stand them...they're fuckin' disgustin, vile, dirty,
fuckin' sweaty little kids on drugs, tryin' to stay out of
the sun...you know what i mean?

STATIC: it's weird now because many of the people behind
the scene are older now...they've cleaned up...and not involved
with drugs (some of them anyway)

MAY: but, unfortunately, as they throw these parties, the
following is these kids...now, i love the fact that people
want to hear good music, and have a good time, but i can't
stand it when mutants come out...ya know...and just turn
into the Evil Mutant Ninja Ravers...i can't stand when it
turns into a Night of the Living Dead...i mean, give me a 
mix or variety of people...that's better to me...i don't
want a bunch of people standing around not knowing what
the fuck is going on...those are the the people i'm talking
about - that's my description of a raver...a lost soul in the
middle of a vast, sort of, mass of glowsticks...you know,
just there...it's heartbreaking, actually...you go to play,
i don't want to see that stuff...granted there are drugs all
over the world, but in the States, people take it to another
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 04:21:53 2000
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reminds me of a good steven wright joke...

"if God took acid, do you think he would see people?"

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 05:53:32 2000
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Subject: [mw] No Foolin'- April 1st, Cincinnati Ohio
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Cincinnati Bomb Squad Presents:

No Foolin'- April 1st, 2000

Featuring:

Dj Icey-Zone, FFRR, Orlando Florida: Producing the funky breaks by day and 
maintaining one of the busiest dj'ing schedules by night, the originator of 
funky beats will be making his first Cincinnati appearance in a long time.

Dj Odi, G-Force, Koncrete Jungle, NYC: Odi the scratch master is back to rock 
the decks jump-up style for all the hip-hop lovers. Second-runner up in the 
DMC champs, he is no fool when it comes to cuttin' it up.

Twilight Sleep, Live Drum and Bass Orchestra: A drum & bass live pa so 
brilliant that it has been compared to Roni Size. Truly an amazing secret 
hidden in our own city, they will put on a live show which will have you in 
awe.

Xian, CBS: Producer, dj, promoter and artist in full effect

Troll and Mogli:CBS, Sweat Junglist: The unbeatable duo bringin the most 
rollin d&b to the midwest

Bob-a-Dob, Clubhead Records,Stillfresh,Jackin House: The veteran of the 
Cincinnati scene that just keeps em' comin year after year

Tim Krochalk, FUNKenterprises, Indy: He'll be beatin the funky and 
progressive breaks like there is no other

R.P.D., Yellow Hypnotic: The reverend is back with that kickin' Chicago house 
early morning style

Nostalgic, Floorgasm, Boogie Squad, Dayton: You saw him rock the crowd before 
Bad Boy Bill, catch him in action again

J-Speed, Abstrakt Entertainment: Jamie plays with hip-hop greats as Mr. 
Dibbs, don't miss this talent on the decks

Admission: $15 with canned good donation. Limited Capacity (1000)!! so get 
there early or you can reserve tickets at www.cincybombsquad.com

Tight security, Roar, and NO GUESTLIST, Industry people can email 
squad513@aol.com

Main Info: 513-665-6572 or 513-956-7101

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 14:18:28 2000
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Well, 
As a lot of you know, I crashed my car on the way down on 31.
I was going about 25mph and did a 360 out of nowhere and went in a ditch and 
hit some signs.
I almost just went home, but i was 1/2 there and needed some HARD techno 
lastnight like you could not imagine.. I totally needed to have my mind sent 
to the unknown.. and I did !
Adam jay rocked!  He should have been in the main room, but thats ok. 
Shiva slammed I LOVE YOU LISA AND ADAM ! 
T1000 is a brat and a snob and a hukker... and a 
friend....(YESIMKIDDING)kinda  hahahah
He totally earns the right to be like he is.
I was totally 100% mindfucked by his set. (specially when he said "fuck 
candyravers and trance and the bullshit")
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE YOU ALAN Thankyou soo much! you rocked my fucking world !
=P
I left after alan, cuz im just not down with hc quite never.
plus i had to get home and get some shit done about my car..  : (
o and.. yea.. 
chocolate.. if you are reading this .. I am sticking out my tounge and making 
googgliee eyes at you.
One day, you will love me !
<3333333333333333333LORIE

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 16:19:00 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] NRR: Check how secure your computer is...
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This is funny, read below there trace on me...

 Its pretty easy to hide everything...

         (0_o)


Internet Connection Security for Windows Users 
by Steve Gibson, Gibson Research Corporation 


Shields UP! is checking YOUR computer's Internet
connection security . . . currently located at IP:

 ***.***.***.***

Please Stand By. . .
 

 Attempting connection to your computer. . . 
Shields UP! is now attempting to contact the Hidden
Internet Server within your PC. It is likely that no
one has told you that your own personal computer may
now be functioning as an Internet Server with neither
your knowledge nor your permission. And that it may be
serving up all or many of your personal files for
reading, writing, modification and even deletion by
anyone, anywhere, on the Internet!
 Please Note: On highly secure systems this may take
up to one minute. . . 
 Your Internet port 139 does not appear to exist! 
One or more ports on this system are operating in FULL
STEALTH MODE! Standard Internet behavior requires port
connection attempts to be answered with a success or
refusal response. Therefore, only an attempt to
connect to a nonexistent computer results in no
response of either kind. But YOUR computer has
DELIBERATELY CHOSEN NOT TO RESPOND (that's very cool!)
which represents advanced computer and port stealthing
capabilities. A machine configured in this fashion is
well hardened to Internet NetBIOS attack and
intrusion. 
 Unable to connect with NetBIOS to your computer.
All attempts to get any information from your computer
have FAILED. (This is very uncommon for a Windows
networking-based PC.) Relative to vulnerabilities from
Windows networking, this computer appears to be VERY
SECURE since it is NOT exposing ANY of its internal
NetBIOS networking protocol over the Internet. 


 Before You Break Out
the Champagne...   
It is true that this server was unable to connect to
your machine just now — and that's definitely great
news! But with the benefit of the incredible
experience I'm gaining from the impact of this site's
1,853,560 (and counting) recent visitors, I'm rapidly
evolving more robust and reliable means of determining
a remote machine's Internet vulnerability.


What I could NOT do today,
I MIGHT be able to do tomorrow.

Useful as this facility is today, I have the feeling
it's going to get better — and I'm working on a few
new ideas right now. So please consider this site to
be in "BETA" condition and please return here — at
least briefly — a week or two from now to verify that
your system is still hardened against all the
experience I've gained during the first few weeks of
this site's life.

When this message has disappeared, you'll know that
I've explored every possible Windows NetBIOS file
sharing avenue and penetration strategy that I, or
anyone else, have imagined. I will be notifying the
members of my User Managed eMail System when this site
has stabilized, and also at any future time when
significant new vulnerability detection has been
added. You are invited to join our 186,414 members to
receive these notifications. 
 A FALSE sense of security
is worse than being unsure.  
 
 
 



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 17:42:41 2000
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k so i came across this in the weirdest way...but it's pretty cool...esp for
all u x-file types...heh.

enjoy =)

http://www.spectacle.com/dstate/conschp0.html


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 17:56:37 2000
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Does anybody have any Live on the Decks 3 flyers they could send me?  I just 
need one, but two if it's at all possible......just hit me back.........thank 
you!

D.A.R.Y.L.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 21:49:05 2000
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Anybody out there familiar with the copyright process?  The following
may not be reprinted, in whole or in part, without the express written
consent of the author...  I'm talking literary work, if it matters.

Just curious, thanks for the help.

one love,
greg


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 22:30:17 2000
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Subject: [mw] Totally NRR: STOCK PICKS
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HI KIDS!!!


Ok, so I know this is totally non rave related, but within the past months, 
I have been incredibly lucky working with the stock market.. SO I am curious 
as to whether any of my other fellow ravers played the game, and if so if 
you would like to trade off portfolios tips..

     Just curious,
                            Dan Sharp (0_o)

  oh yeah... and a bunch of friggin love to all of you..
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Subject: [mw] Friday March 17th in Minneapolis, Murphy's Law
Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 16:51:58 -0600
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Friday, March 17th 2000

Next Step Productions brings you

M U R P H Y ' S  L A W

TALENT

DJ .com - Omaha - Midside Records, International House of Babylon, NSMM
Ghetto Tech

Cloudskipper - San Francisco - Liquid Vinyl, Kickin' Beats, Illuminate
Happy Hardcore!

Hoverproject - Minneapolis - Allied Substructure, Urban Guerilla
oldschool UK 'ardcore

Tilzs - Minneapolis - Zoop productions
Trancecore

Fleak - Minneapolis - Allied Substructure, MTC
Tech House

Freakboy - Minneapolis - Allied Substructure, Forgotten Records
Acid Techno

DJ Scam - Minneapolis - Allied Substructure
Jungle

MC ADB - United Kingdom

Emcee Kidd - Minneapolis - Allied Substructure

EXTRAS

There will be inexpensive drinks, free goodies and candy throughout the
night, giveaways, and free fruit later in the evening for those that need a
little extra surge. =] Also watch for some wicked visuals that respond to
the music!

INFO

Tickets are just $10, presale only! There will be a very limited number of
tickets, so get yours early!

Directions will be posted at 9:00pm the day of the event, doors open at
11:30.
Madness Industries/Next Step Productions 651-649-4623
Allied Substructure 612-909-6827
Intellephunk 612-937-6129
www.nextstepproductions.net
www.madnessindustries.com
www.alliedsubstructure.com
www.raveteam.com
www.mnrave.com

Questions should be directed to murph@mr.net


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 22:47:47 2000
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 Steviet069:     that should tell u *everything* 
 I Have lssuez:  ur a nutcase 
 Steviet069:     no, i am the chosen one 
 Steviet069:     and the fact that u have my holy
grail will only curse 
u 
more, any true hindu will tell u that 
 I Have lssuez:  that has nothing to do with hinduism
at all 
 I Have lssuez:  the holy grail is first of all a
christian thing 
 I Have lssuez:  DEAD RAVER CHILDERN HAVE NOTHING TO
DO WITH IT 
 Steviet069:     in fact in some hindu countries they
chop yur hand off 
for 
stealing 
 Steviet069:     but dead raver children are my
guardian angels y'see 
 I Have lssuez:  thats not hindu 
 I Have lssuez:  thats what the arabians do, the ones
that call god 
allah and 
that SINT hindusm 
 I Have lssuez:  and there arent ANGELS in hindu 
 Steviet069:     so, i'm not hindu 
 I Have lssuez:  Then quite acting like you know what
your talking 
about 
 Steviet069:     it's "quit" 
 Steviet069:     and "you're" 
 I Have lssuez:  Excuse me Mr Spellcheck King  
 I Have lssuez:  its called computer lungo 
 I Have lssuez:  lingo* 
 Steviet069:     lungo...lol 
 Steviet069:     computer bingo 
 I Have lssuez:  Okay  
 Steviet069:     u cant even *act* like u know what
yur talkin about, 
cuz u 
cant spell 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 23:01:38 2000
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Ahile back, T-1000 said something to the affect of "I
will play harder if the girls with them big titties
come up to the fonrt and shake.". Wasnt expecting that
one. Too bad it was the end of his set when he said it
too.

peace,
Offtrack


--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I was totally 100% mindfucked by his set. (specially
> when he said "fuck 
> candyravers and trance and the bullshit")
> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 
>

=====
Offtracks Top 5 Techno Jamz. 
1. Marco Bailey "Invasion Series" [invasion] <--DAMN, ILL
2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
5. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
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here's a lovely story for all u mw-crack-headz

from my boy jesse darwin in cleveland...

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So Ian Mariano and I were booked to play This outdoor dessert party in Tucon 
AZ., Distorted Signal Tour2000 on 4tables, Turbo Sound playing from 2 am 
till 4 am...

Perfect right???

WRONG!!!

picture a 17 year old strungout kid throwing a screwed up event in which the 
people are cookin K on the headlights of their trucks, and blowing LINES of 
it, giving 13 year old chicks more speed then you could POSSIBLY know what 
to do with, and picture how rude these dudes were being while feeding them 
drugs ("I wanna rip you in half little girl"), the other DJ's from L.A. 
(pretty big ones too) walkin' around with like 10 different drugs on them (i 
guess had them on them in the airport), doing combo's called "trail-mix" 
[K-E-glass all in one pile) and something with GHB-coke and E...  I can 
firmly say that 100% of the kids there were poly-substance abusers.  The 
party was called "tripp-e"!!!!. When the music stopped NO ONE CARED...

We ended up not playing because the party got shut down because dude couldnt 
pay the sound.  and when it got shut down, promoter was like "its all good, 
I need some K...".  After that another DJ was like "well fuck, now we can go 
to the hotel and do DRUGS!!!"

When they found out my, ummm, sober stance, they couldnt understand it....

Except Xpando, he was very cool...

Oh, I ended up having to drive all the DJ's back to the hotel for the 
promoter with his truck (nevr meet him before mind you) because he had to 
drive his own K-holed ass in a Uhaul...

then my plane almost crashed...

so needless to say, I truely love it here, I really do...

darwin


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 23:23:01 2000
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tis true, my shiesty ex-roommates have succeeded in 
thievin' my "holy grail" from me!!...a gift from an old
hindu friend of mine...

alas, my "holy grail" will only work with those with
true hearts...and since they stole it from me, instead 
of a fountain of youth effect, they will find that they
will be cursed with accelerated aging!!...not a good
thing especially since my former roommates are both
models...

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 23:41:15 2000
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In a message dated 3/12/0 11:01:58 PM, you wrote:

<<Ahile back, T-1000 said something to the affect of "I
will play harder if the girls with them big titties
come up to the fonrt and shake.". Wasnt expecting that
one. Too bad it was the end of his set when he said it
too.>>

obviously, alan is no amateur when it comes to the mw
newbie boobie tradition!!


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 12 23:41:55 2000
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need to talk to you about april 7th... email me privately

entro

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 00:07:51 2000
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vicks baby... it's all about vicks.  Who makes that shit?  Parke Davis?  They
really should get on their marketting game and start making inhalers glow in the
dark.

daniel sharp wrote:

> HI KIDS!!!
>
> Ok, so I know this is totally non rave related, but within the past months,
> I have been incredibly lucky working with the stock market.. SO I am curious
> as to whether any of my other fellow ravers played the game, and if so if
> you would like to trade off portfolios tips..
>
>      Just curious,
>                             Dan Sharp (0_o)
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In a message dated 3/13/0 12:08:19 AM, you wrote:

<<vicks baby... it's all about vicks.  Who makes that shit?  
Parke Davis?  They really should get on their marketting 
game and start making inhalers glow in the dark.>>

Trojans!!...baby!!!...tell me baby, do i make you horney?!
...spring is in the air!!!...and you know what that means!!
...time to buy some extra beanies for them wienies!!!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 01:32:51 2000
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Steviet069@aol.com wrote:

> here's a lovely story for all u mw-crack-headz
>
> from my boy jesse darwin in cleveland...
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: {pb-cle} I LOOOOOOVE CLEVELAND/PITTS!!!!!!
> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 13:35:19 PST
> From: "jesse henning" <djdarwin@hotmail.com>
> To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org
>
> So Ian Mariano and I were booked to play This outdoor dessert party in Tucon
> AZ.,

were they serving coffee and cake?  ice cream sundaes?  perhaps some pastry?
Sounds like fun....

fuck blowpops, we need some hardcore sugar to get the candykids *REAL* hyper.

smart ass,
greg


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NOTE: On thursday of this week the ticket price will be $30 until the night
of the event.
]
Sooooo DON'T PROCRASTINATE, go out and by your $25 tickets today!!!!


Liquid Groove presents...

LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE:
The Festival of Sound

Saturday April 1st 2000
Atlanta GA North Atlanta Trade Center

For many years now Liquid Groove have consistently organized top quality
events on a  regular basis, bringing together some of the finest musical
minds from all over the world. LIQUIFIED UNIVERSE will be the pinnacle of
our existence so far. We have spared no expense in putting together a
production and a line-up to take it to the next level. Welcome to the
future.



MAIN ARENA:

- SASHA & JOHN DIGWEED
(twilo, northern exposure, UK)
Together in Atlanta for the first time since 96', get ready for an
infamous 6 hour session


Burrowing deep into your imagination, combining there trade mark of abstract
visual imagery with sonic stimulation. The long awaited live performance
by...
- RABBIT IN THE MOON
(hallucination, fl)


- MONK
(hallucination, Tampa)
one of the founders of hallucination records, causing dancefloor distortion
with his hard beats and ghetto funk.


-ULISES
(Columbia cartel, Atlanta)


ARENA  2:

- GROOVERIDER & FABIO
(metalheadz, UK)
Two of the UK's original drum and bass heavyweights,
together for the first time in Atlanta. These two have
been pioneering the jungle sound since the very beginning.


- JIM MASTERS
(ultimate base, UK)
Carl Cox's longstanding Ultimate Base partner is back again
for a rare stateside appearance with his unique  hard funky tech
house sound.


- GARTH
(greyhound, wicked crew, san fran)
Co-founder of the infamous Wicked Crew.
Garth brings his dark trippy house sound
back to Atlanta to move the masses.


- J-LUV
  (rewind, outerlimits, Atlanta)


- BOBBLE
  (20 hz cartel, rewind, Atlanta)


- CHRISTIAN MICHAEL
  (protoculture, ATA, Atlanta)


- ULISES
  (columbia cartel, atlanta)




SOUND:
The main arena will be filled with the largest Turbosound system ever
assembled in the southeast. 168 Cabinets of pure unadulterated Turbosound.
In addition to this the second room will also feature full Turbosound.


LASERS:
PAWN LASERS:
PAWN will be stopping in Atlanta on there way home from
the winter music conference with 3 vans full of an arsenal of laser systems.
Your experience will include multiple laser projections, some never seen
before in the US. The latest in laser  technology, color, and computer
controlled artificial intelligent laser systems that our government will
allow. Based out of Philadelphia ... they travel far and wide supplying 3d
animated interactive laser shows. This weekend using 4 separate laser
systems, PAWN will elevate your subconscious state and open the gate of your
reality to creatively stimulate  your senses. Check them out at
WWW.PAWNLASERS.COM


VISUALS:
O.V.T. of Chicago will be enlightening our minds with a massive display
of twisted, morphing video projections. As well as a full intelligent
lighting
system designed and installed by ACTIVE LIGHTING, Atlanta.


DECORATIONS:
Arranged by Liquid Groove


____________________________________________________

:

NORTH ATLANTA TRADE CENTER
North Atlanta's premier exhibit facility and one of the largest exposition
facilities in the southeast, offering 120,000 sq feet of exhibit space, all
indoors, in climate control comfort and split up into 2 Massive rooms. Well
lighted,
FREE parking is steps from the main entrance. The facility offers handicap
accessibility, Tons and Tons of clean restrooms,  an public telephones. More
then 5000 hotel rooms are within a 7 mile radius of the North Atlanta Trade
center. A wide range of accommodations available from budget motels to
luxury hotels

DIRECTIONS:

FROM THE SOUTH: Take I-75/85 north into downtown Atlanta. I-75/85 merge in
downtown Atlanta. Stay towards the left lane. when I-75 and I-85 split take
I-85 north towards Greenville. Go up I-85 and get off at the Indian Trail
exit (the exit numbers are changing so the exit number will be either 38 or
101). At your first light (Indian trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and
make a right. Go 1/2 mile to Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right
in front of you.


FROM THE NORTH EAST: Take I-85 south toward Atlanta. Get off at Indian Trail
exit (exit numbers are changing so the exit number will be either 38 or 101)
At the first light you come to go left onto Indian trail. Cross over hwy and
go to Oakbrook pkwy and turn right. Go 1/2 mile to jeurgens court and turn
right. Venue is straight in front of you.


FROM THE EAST: Take I-20 west towards Atlanta. Before you get to Atlanta you
will get onto I-285 north. Take I-285 north till you get to the exit for
I-85 north. Go I-85 north to Indian Trail exit. (exit numbers are changing
so the exit number will be either 38 or 101) At your first light (Indian
trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and make a right. Go 1/2 mile to
Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right in front of you.


FROM THE WEST: Take I-20 east into downtown Atlanta. Get onto I-75/85 north
and then follow the directions from the south.


FROM THE MIDWEST AREA: Get to I-75 south. Go I-75 south towards Atlanta.
Before you get to Atlanta Take I-285 east. Take I-285 east to I-85 North. Go
up I-85 and get off at the Indian Trail exit (the exit numbers are changing
so the exit number will be either 38 or 101). At your first light (indian
trail) go right. Go to Oakbrook pkwy and make a right. Go 1/2 mile to
Jeurgens court and make a right. Venue is right in front of you.

__________________________________________________________________

-BUS TRIPS SECTION
Anyone interested in organizing a bus trip please e-mail us at
liquidgroove@mindspring.com and we can add your information here.
CONFIRMED BUS TRIPS SO FAR:
Cyberquest
Washington DC
703.931.9558



______________________________________________________

-TICKET LOCATIONS, ONLINE TICKET SALES AND MAIL ORDER TICKETS:

TICKETS:
$25 until March 15th
$30 after
$15 if you turn in your ticket stub from 5.1 at your nearest ticket outlet.
To purchase tickets online with a credit card log onto www.ravepass.com

To Mail Order tickets you must send a money order only (NO CHECKS) for $25
per ticket  If you have a ticket stub from 5.1 Then the ticket price is $15
and you must send in your ticket stub with your money order to receive the
$15 ticket. The cut off date for mail orders is March 15th

In order to receive your tickets you must also include a self addressed
stamped envelope or if you would like you can include a pre-paid overnight
envelope with your return address.

Send Money orders to
Liquid Groove
PO Box 14933
Atlanta GA 30324


TICKET OUTLETS:

BEWARE OF FORGERIES
Buy tickets ONLY from these stores -
$1 surcharge at some ticket locations

Wish L5P  404-880-0402
Wish  770-814-0940
Rewind  404-827-9463
Satellite 404-880-9746
Spins: (Greensboro, NC) - 336-274-8530
Faith Records: (Nashville, TN) - 615-726-3700
Bad Seed: (Birmingham, AL) - 205-933-7333
Big Apple Music: (Columbia, SC) - 803-798-7790
World Conspiracy: (Huntsville, AL) - 256-534-3198
R.P.M.: (Savannah, GA) - 912-234-0093
Knee Deep: (Charlotte, NC) - 704-335-0442
Manifest: (Greenville, SC) - 864-232-1623
Smoke: (Gainesville, FL) - 352-379-7670
Vinyl Frontier: (Orlando, FL) - 407-872-1844

______________________________________________________________

-VENDING
Anyone who is interested in vending please contact us at
liquidgroove@mindspring.com or liquified@mindspring.com  VENDORS MUST BE
LICENSED


__________________________________________________________

INFORMATION AND TIME SCHEDULE

18 and over welcome with proper ID

Doors open at 9:00 pm - ARRIVE EARLY

We will have multiple entry lines with Over 30 security guards ensure quick
and safe entry into the event.

No bags or Markers: PLEASE RESPECT THIS VENUE

MAIN ROOM:
9:00 - 10:00 -  Ulises
10:00 - 12:00 - Monk
12:00 - 2:00 -  Rabbit in the Moon
2:00 - 8:00 -  Sasha and John Digweed

ROOM 2:

9:00 - 10:00 - Bobble
10:00 - 11:00 - Christian Michael
11:00 - 12:00 - J-Luv
12:00 - 2:00 - Garth
2:00 - 6:00 - Grooverider and Fabio
6:00 - 8:00 - Jim Masters





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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 03:09:55 2000
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Whatcha got?

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Check out Plug and Digex/Intermedia.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 04:53:17 2000
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ha...what t1000 got in indy, was a crowd of techno FIENDS yelling the voice sample of mike dearborn's "voice of god", while he would cut the fader to leave us acapella.  ya don't see techno sing-a-longs every day, now do ya?  ;p

never let it be said that indy don't know techno...

shiva

>Ahile back, T-1000 said something to the affect of "I
>will play harder if the girls with them big titties
>come up to the fonrt and shake.". Wasnt expecting that
>one. Too bad it was the end of his set when he said it
>too.
>
>peace,
>Offtrack
>
>
>--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> I was totally 100% mindfucked by his set. (specially
>> when he said "fuck 
>> candyravers and trance and the bullshit")
>> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 
>>
>
>=====
>Offtracks Top 5 Techno Jamz. 
>1. Marco Bailey "Invasion Series" [invasion] <--DAMN, ILL
>2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
>3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
>4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
>5. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
>** Techno.Justice.League.Midwest /*\ Allergic Entertaiment **
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 04:53:23 2000
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ha...what t1000 got in indy, was a crowd of techno FIENDS yelling the voice sample of mike dearborn's "voice of god", while he would cut the fader to leave us acapella.  ya don't see techno sing-a-longs every day, now do ya?  ;p

never let it be said that indy don't know techno...

shiva

>Ahile back, T-1000 said something to the affect of "I
>will play harder if the girls with them big titties
>come up to the fonrt and shake.". Wasnt expecting that
>one. Too bad it was the end of his set when he said it
>too.
>
>peace,
>Offtrack
>
>
>--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> I was totally 100% mindfucked by his set. (specially
>> when he said "fuck 
>> candyravers and trance and the bullshit")
>> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 
>>
>
>=====
>Offtracks Top 5 Techno Jamz. 
>1. Marco Bailey "Invasion Series" [invasion] <--DAMN, ILL
>2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
>3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
>4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
>5. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
>** Techno.Justice.League.Midwest /*\ Allergic Entertaiment **
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>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 06:44:03 2000
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i was digging through my mailbox and came upon this....   it got me all
nostalgic.

chris

>Vrave is going to be down for a while.
>
>Bella and I came to this tough decision after dealing with several people
>who were abusing the chat system.
>
>We aren't sure what we will do next.  But vrave will be down for a few days.
>We are sorry for the inconvienence, but as you know, a few bad apples
>spoil the bunch.
>
>The once friendly and comfortable chat service we've provided has grown
>beyond our wildest dreams.  But with that growth has come growing pains.
>Bella and I, as well as some others, have poured a lot of their time and
>energy into vrave, and for that, we are appreciative.  But we cannot in
>good conscience allow the harrassment to continue.  
>
>Should the situation change in the future, we'd like very much to bring
>Vrave back to its old glory of being one of the coolest chats on the 'net.
>Until then, may we suggest that you perform an internet search using
>phrases such as "chat," "ICQ" or "IRC" and give our 'competitors' a try.
>
>We apologize for this inconvienence.
>
>
>Thanks.
>+ This message came from 7283, the VRave mailing list.
>+ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: mail 'unsubscribe' to 7283-request@hyperreal.org
>+ TO REACH A HUMAN: mail to 7283-owner@hyperreal.org
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 06:48:38 2000
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From: Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani <blitz666@uswest.net>
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On 03/13/2000 12:40 AM chris ege prophesized the following:

>> Vrave is going to be down for a while.
>> 
>> Bella and I came to this tough decision after dealing with several people
>> who were abusing the chat system.
>> 
>> We aren't sure what we will do next.  But vrave will be down for a few days.
>> We are sorry for the inconvienence, but as you know, a few bad apples
>> spoil the bunch.
>> 
>> The once friendly and comfortable chat service we've provided has grown
>> beyond our wildest dreams.  But with that growth has come growing pains.
>> Bella and I, as well as some others, have poured a lot of their time and
>> energy into vrave, and for that, we are appreciative.  But we cannot in
>> good conscience allow the harrassment to continue.
>> 
>> Should the situation change in the future, we'd like very much to bring
>> Vrave back to its old glory of being one of the coolest chats on the 'net.
>> Until then, may we suggest that you perform an internet search using
>> phrases such as "chat," "ICQ" or "IRC" and give our 'competitors' a try.



ahhhhhhhhhhhhh those were the dayz!!!!



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Everybody is an enemy.  fuck it I hate everybody.
I'm not a part of any scene, I do my own thing.
my mind is the machine gun, my body is the bullets,
and my audience is the target!!!

I am chaos.  I am the substance from which your artists
and scientists build rhythms.  I am the spirit from which
your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy.
I am chaos.  I am alive and tell you that you are free.

Shannon 'bLiTz' Magnani
The Mighty FreeBass Collective & Conspiracy unINC.
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ICQ# 23795954
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 06:50:07 2000
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screw v-rave.

It's all about adze.com 7587

Warm fuzzies, better commands, same bullshit "oh my god someone on the net
doesn't like me" drama.

Not to mention quite a few of the old-skool v-rave crowd.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 10:24:46 2000
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kiwi strawberry fago only 5

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kiwi strawberry fago, only 59=E7 for a 2 liter @ meiers!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 12:54:54 2000
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April 1 2000 +/ Omaha  NE


D-Licious brings you


D-Licious

Carl Craig (Planet E Communications, Detroit)
Super Star Dj Keoki ( Moonshine Records, Los Angeles )
Danny The Wildchild (Canvas Records +/ Stregth Records, Chicago)
Starbaby (Freebass Society, New Orleans)
Dan Deliverance (Intergrated Recordings, Kansas)
Zak C. (Phul Phunk, Lincoln)
Glenn Okada (D-Licious +/ 3rythms, Orlando)
G Spot (Till Dawn, Lincoln)
Dj Kennedy (D-Licious, Houston)
Kaos (Not So Massive Massive, Omaha)
Lee (Not So Massive Massive, Omaha)
Dj Snafu (Dreamtech +/ D-Licious, Orlando)
Gabriel Star (360 Productions +/ Syquil, Lincoln)
Professor Goat (Priority +/Urban Wax, Orlando)
Scott Shapiro (Eros Euphony, Orlando)

$19 presale $23 day of show
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 15:56:24 2000
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 rise and shine chillun



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 15:59:52 2000
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10 more minutes?  Please?

    -bill

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 16:01:52 2000
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Anti-Milk Campaign Draws Fire
Got milk? Well, an animal rights group hopes you don’t. And a new ad 
campaign from them is being criticized by an anti-drunk driving group. 
What’s all the fuss about?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/beer

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/beer000313.html

I think I just became an activist

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 16:02:01 2000
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Anti-Milk Campaign Draws Fire
Got milk? Well, an animal rights group hopes you don’t. And a new ad 
campaign from them is being criticized by an anti-drunk driving group. 
What’s all the fuss about?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/beer

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/beer000313.html

I think I just became an activist

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 16:10:16 2000
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I remember getting directed to that URL.. But hey, we're not old enough to be nostalgic, damn it!
Cut that out!! <shaking my cane at you> I was on there as "abductee" and when I lived in Lexington
and later as "uplink" for a brief time before it got shut down. It definitely had its moments..
But you try and tell these kids today and they won't believe ya..

Er.. yeh.


let's see.. i remember dica, somber, ngoc, mint, madison, optik, czar (sorry misha she came
first).. and this really sad bitter little man named rob/tempest that i suspect was one of the
people with multiple logins responsible for it getting shut down.. regardless, he was a jerk. that
guy had some serious problems..

oh well, now we have #mw.raves <smirk>


-ted


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 16:13:54 2000
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I *HEART* VRAVE

That is all...

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 16:16:19 2000
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pfft.. i've been up since 6. 

Isn't it fun trying to reconcile Saturday night with Monday morning?

imagine:

"Good morning, how was your weekend?"

"Well, sir.. I travelled through half-a-dozen states and 3 time zones, engaging in acts of such
illicit debauchery that, were I to offer you even a vague description, I would be not only fired
but quite possibly arrested on the spot. And yours?"

-ted

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 16:41:30 2000
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for those who know...

this wednesday - 15 march 2000...
solidstate presents another installment of...

PHONO

featuring the godfather of techno in his first milwaukee appearance...
JUAN ATKINS (METROPLEX, MODEL 500, TRESOR DETROIT VIA LA)
SYNERGY (SOLIDSTATE, MILWAUKEE)

9:00pm - twenty-one and over
dish 235 south second street milwaukee
(414) 256-1396 for continually updated information

upcoming solidstate events
-Sunday March 19th - Synergy @ Hi Hat, Milwaukee
-Wednesday March 22nd – PHONO featuring DJ Funk (CHICAGO), Mr. C, (UK),
Frankie Vega, and Synergy @ Dish, Milwaukee
-Wednesday March 29th –  PHONO *Old School Milwaukee Night – DJ’s Jethro
X, Toby Tyler, Mr. Bill & Acid Boy Todd P @ Dish, Milwaukee
-Wednesday April 5th – PHONO featuring Pure Science Live (UK) & Synergy
@ Dish, Milwaukee
-Wednesday April 12th – PHONO featuring DJ Julius Papp (LA), Nick Nice
(Madison) & Synergy @ Dish, Milwaukee
-Thursday April 13th - OCTOPUSSY featuring Miles Maeda (SD), Nick Nice
(Madison), & Synergy @ Cardinal Bar, Madison
-Wednesday April 19th – PHONO featuring DJ Dan (SAN FRAN) Mark Ambrose
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Has anyone heard a good mixed set from Juan Atkins? His own music is phenomenal but having heard
him live and on a few different mixtapes/CD's I have yet to hear one that impressed me much..
Other than with selection, anyhow..


                              just wonderin'

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In a message dated 13/03/00 12:17:20 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< Has anyone heard a good mixed set from Juan Atkins? His own music is 
phenomenal but having heard
 him live and on a few different mixtapes/CD's I have yet to hear one that 
impressed me much..
 Other than with selection, anyhow..
 
 
                               just wonderin'
 
                                       -ted
  >>

I have seen juan 3 or 4 x..   
none of which mindfucked me.. or even really moved me..
track selections were great as you said also, but
his mixing was boring to me... he didnt seem into his sets..
and that is where its at for me : )
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Juan Atkins really doesn't to anything technically
sound. His track selection is good, but any big name
dj who has access to a shitload of promos and white
labels will have good track selection. That doesn't
make a good dj (ex : Paul Oakenfold). Not only is
Juan's mixing shitty, he has absolutely no stage
presence and charges out the ass for his sets. As a
matter fact, if he didn't have the name Juan Atkins,
and you saw him at a party, you'd probably shrug and
leave thinking "who the fuck was that."

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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Ignatius J. Reilly wrote:

> pfft.. i've been up since 6. 

i got you beat... i was up at 5:45am baby... gotta love having to be at
school at 6:45am. =)

> 
> Isn't it fun trying to reconcile Saturday night with Monday morning?
> 

depends on what your saturday night was. I'm already looking forward to
thursday and friday. =) 


> imagine:
> 
> "Good morning, how was your weekend?"
> 
> "Well, sir.. I travelled through half-a-dozen states and 3 time zones, engaging in acts of such
> illicit debauchery that, were I to offer you even a vague description, I would be not only fired
> but quite possibly arrested on the spot. And yours?"


sounds kinda like a more hardcore version of the "party" one of the
students threw this weekend.. 200 people, the fire dept. and the police.
=) it was the talk of the school today... ;) if they only knew what Mrs.
W. was really up to sometimes. ;)


btw ted, SOMEONE FORGOT MY LOGIN ON VRAVE while giving out the list... =P~
being on vrave prodcued a marriage for me baby. ;)


-Becky =)

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Timmy Static turned it out at FunkWagon in Lexington this weekend. Hard Hard
Hard House and Techno that kept me bangin' for the full set. If anybody gets
a chance you should definitely go see him play.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 13 21:34:02 2000
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In a message dated 3/13/0 8:33:41 PM, phyrl productions wrote:

<<Just one question for all that have anti L13 views.

Is it their past performance (re: April Foolz fiasco), or something else
that makes L13 so evil? Aren't they bringing the DJ's that almost EVERY
single kid wants to see at a party? Actually, compared to last year, W3 has
drastically progressed (Euro techno and DnB are actually included, even
though Marco Carola is still not on the top of the flyer). Or is it their
business orientation of making sure they get as many people as possible in
their large scale events?

And what exactly makes them a sell-out? What IF they had Laurent Garnier,
Jeff Mills , Luke Slater and Richie Hawtin and still had 10,000+ people?
Would they still be sell-outs.

Furthermore, are Hullabaloo or Lifeforce in Toronto sell outs - in their
respective music genres, they bring the most popular and best DJ's?

I am wondering is someone can define a sell-out to me, as you perceive it.

Thanks in advance.

Ciao,
Viktor

At 01:57 PM 3/13/2000 -0500, tfc jenn wrote:
>    just to antogonize:
>
>    pbs is listed on the whistle 3 flier as
>    promo support.
>
>    talk about selling out.
>>>

truth is viktor, there is nothing wrong with local 13, they are
obviously very good at what they do and this is the reason why
they are so successfull and *are* able to bring in such big 
names, because most of these big names don't play for just
anybody

this is just another example of jealous shit talkers...the same
shit talkers that most prolly call you a 'sell out' behind your
back when you were bringin in big names with your parties...
most successful people have to deal with this on a daily (God
knows i deal with it all the time on mw)...just ignore them
and don't let them bring you down...and keep bringin in the
big names!!!...cuz, i gotta give props, phryl production parties
have yet to dissapoint me!

and i know this is jealousy thing cuz jen from tfc wuz the
biggest whiner when i banned her from the ohio promotor's
meeting for talking so much shit before Family Affair 5.

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Don't you mean phat?

>everybody in fat pants.
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ALIENSQUAD presents

sat may 6 . lexington, ky . TRANSMISSION 01:01

first in a new series from the crew that brought you a new perspective on 
events with the abduction parties in 99.

your guides for the evening.....
Johnny Fiasco - Afterhours.Tonic.Chicago
            Johnny Fiasco, is definitely one of the original Chicago house 
people.  He's responsible for house anthems like "Conduction" and "Keep on 
Dancing" that still pack dance-floors to this day.  He's
remixed for almost everybody and is a bad ass DJ to boot.  As far we
know, this is his first trip to this area in as long as we can remember.

Feelgood - Baltimore.www.djfeelgood.com
            Hailing from Baltimore, Feelgood has been a partner and fixture 
at Baltimore's long running club night on alternating Thursdays - FEVER. 
Along with his prductions on Charm City Records he is a full-on house DJ who 
has kicked ass so many times in the midwest we don't know where to begin.  
It wasn't easy to get him back to Lexington this time and we aim to show him 
a good time like we did back in the old days.

Onionz - NYC.Electrik Soul.imperialdub.ChocolateFactory
            Onionz has been one of those DJs we just cannot get enough of.  
We've seen him take a party headed for sure disaster and turn it 180 degrees 
and then through the roof.  Onionz got his start on Long
Island as one of the founders of CAFFEINE, NYCs analog to FEVER.
With his recent successes on Moody and Siesta, as a producer propelling him 
further up in our esteem, We am proud to be able to add him to a line-up 
that just will not quit.

Joeski - NYC.ChocolateFactory.ChampionSound
            Joeski is also an old skool CAFFEINE DJ from NYC.  Late night 
grooves and other funky stuff are his bread and butter.  Again this may will 
be his first appearance in this area ever, it is certainly his first 
sighting in Lextown; we can't wait to show off our scene!

SammE - Nashville.Teamsters.SoulBrothaz.PhatBastards
            We can't say enough about SammE.  SammE helped us kick off the 
Abduction series last year with Halo.  Since then, he's been a great 
surprise at several other events and an absolute hoot to hang out with.  
He's probably one of the most animated DJs  we've ever seen and he knows how 
to get people grooving!  We're tickled to be able to
bring him back for the kick-off of this new series.

Make sure you come early because only these 5 D.J.'s are playing and you 
wouldn't wanna miss any one of them.

A full lighting rig with laser provided by Project 7.
A full Turbosound rig to pound you into submission

We will have free bottled water as usual, along with other giveaways.


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On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Hugh G. Blaze wrote:
> Don't you mean phat?

nope.

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This is for all you trance haters!

I put together a 62 minute Trance/Hard Trance mix last week.  It starts out 
really trancy and then goes into some banging hard trance.  Give it a 
listen, feedback is always appreciated. It's available on my webpage in MP3 
and Real Audio.

http://members.xoom.com/tilzs
(it is under the audio section, Internet mix #3)

Tracklisting below for all of you trainspotters.


01 Friends Lovers & Family - Tribute (Buckets & Spades) - Lush Recordings
02 Eve 28 - ??  - Eve
03 DJ Jamx Joins B.I.A  - Das Light  - Step by Step
04 Shanty & Distressed Frequencies - Moving At 160 Mix - Digital Beats
05 Acid Ted - Punani Acid - Test Pressings
06 The Sonic Psyentiztz - Children of God & Methodry - Bionic Orgazm
07 Acid Ted - Infected Reject - Acid Test Pressings
08 DJ Mishka - Acid 3000 (Laughing Acid Mix) - VCF
09 Commander Tom - Are am Eye? - Noom
10 Vibe Bar Rejects - 70mph - Smitten
11 Cosmic Commando - Acid Overdose - DJs Present
12 Ultra Shock - The sound of "e" (energy mix) - Tracid Traxxx

Enjoy!

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Sista' Jade Entertainment and the 
House of Babylon Broductions of 
Indianapolis combine efforts once 
more to bring you closer to higher
states of EUPHORIA:


THE PLEASURE DOME 
Saturday, March 18, 2000


Indianapolis Indiana 


You will be pleasured by the following talent:

**************ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!****************
With an already impressive line-up, we've added
a special guest headlining DJ for your listening
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March 18th in Indianapolis at The Pleasure Dome!
************************************************************

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A-TRAK  1997 World DMC Champion, 1999 Vestex Champion 
At the ripe age of 15, A-Track stunned the world as he 
became the 1997 World Mixing Champion.  Tonight, 
making his first Indy appearance.  A-Track is gonna rip 
it up, showing you the meaning of the words "turntablist" 
and "tricknologist"!  An inspiration to many aspiring to 
obtain his skill and proficiency, you will never look at 
Battle DJing the same way again!


Buzz - Fever (Washington, DC) 
SCOTT HENRY True progressive heads know this man!  
They worship this man!  Tonight, you'll see why, as he
tears down the walls with his techno-laced progressive 
beats!  Imagine bliss peppered with a dash of funk!
Scott hasn't played here in a long time, but we welcome 
him back with loving arms.  A truly pleasurable aural experience!


(611 Records - Philly) 
NIGEL RICHARDS The man responsible for one of the 
better-ran and managed record stores in US history returns 
after a long sympatico from Indy to bang it techno style.  
Incorporating some of today and tomorrow's best techno 
tracks and mixing it effortless with funky house.  It is unlikely 
you will leave the dance floor dry! Euphoria's home is right here!


(House of Styles, Pittsburg, PA) 
PRODUCT 19 Playing hard techno like nobody's mama!  
A special treat for all the good little boys and girls from 
the House of Styles crew in Pittsburg.  Product 19 has 
eclipsed many before him in his daring techno selections
and ability to program the dancefloor into a frenzy!


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With tech-house records boys cream to and girls shake their titties for.  
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(House of Babylon/The Pros/Subwarped Records) 
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CONCRETE TECHNIQUE has recently peeked the interest
of CANVAS RECORDINGS.  Tonight K-Step will 
open for A-Track, and show you and the world how we do it 
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danDAVE is your man!  Quickly rising to the top of the Indy 
Junglist creme!


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the talented Mr. Blair Brown.  His disco infected house grooves 
made a stunning (and suprise) impact on the Jan. 14th Burn @ 
the Hot Spot.  Tonight is his official release!  UNLEASHED!


Doors open at 9:00 p.m.   
Music starts at 10:00 p.m.


$20 before midnight $25 after midnight
For those attending the pre-party (PANTY RAiD)
the party will not exceed $20.

There will be a free massage set up from 1AM-3AM
for all you boys & girls who jack too hard!  

sound by: Log 2 
lights by: project 7


Guest list & Vending requests must be received by March 1.
Such requests must be e-mailed to either of the following 
addresses:

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sistajade@email.com

No exceptions!  No walk-ups!
No service fee for vendors (but gifts are
always appreciated.)

In light of recent events, we will be strictly enforcing the following rules:

NO outside liquids, pagers, cellphones, recording devices of ANY kind,
crabs, mean people, thugs, bad attitudes, markers, weapons, glass or
GHB!  GHB DEALERS WILL BE ARRESTED ON SITE!   PERIOD!!!!!


ROAR in full effect  (Right of Admission Reserved)

Security will be tight but friendly.

HOUSE OF BABYLON  317-592-9236 
SISTA' JADE ENTERTAINMENT  317-704-1642

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Okay Stevie, 
Why did you fwd, reply this to mw-raves ?
when it was on pb-cle  ?
Viktor is not on mw-raves, therefore it has nothing to do with mw-raves.
Are you on crackola again, er what ?


In a message dated 13/03/00 4:34:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< In a message dated 3/13/0 8:33:41 PM, phyrl productions wrote:
 
 <<Just one question for all that have anti L13 views.
 
 Is it their past performance (re: April Foolz fiasco), or something else
 that makes L13 so evil? Aren't they bringing the DJ's that almost EVERY
 single kid wants to see at a party? Actually, compared to last year, W3 has
 drastically progressed (Euro techno and DnB are actually included, even
 though Marco Carola is still not on the top of the flyer). Or is it their
 business orientation of making sure they get as many people as possible in
 their large scale events?
 
 And what exactly makes them a sell-out? What IF they had Laurent Garnier,
 Jeff Mills , Luke Slater and Richie Hawtin and still had 10,000+ people?
 Would they still be sell-outs.
 
 Furthermore, are Hullabaloo or Lifeforce in Toronto sell outs - in their
 respective music genres, they bring the most popular and best DJ's?
 
 I am wondering is someone can define a sell-out to me, as you perceive it.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Ciao,
 Viktor
 
 At 01:57 PM 3/13/2000 -0500, tfc jenn wrote:
 >    just to antogonize:
 >
 >    pbs is listed on the whistle 3 flier as
 >    promo support.
 >
 >    talk about selling out.
 >>>
 
 truth is viktor, there is nothing wrong with local 13, they are
 obviously very good at what they do and this is the reason why
 they are so successfull and *are* able to bring in such big 
 names, because most of these big names don't play for just
 anybody
 
 this is just another example of jealous shit talkers...the same
 shit talkers that most prolly call you a 'sell out' behind your
 back when you were bringin in big names with your parties...
 most successful people have to deal with this on a daily (God
 knows i deal with it all the time on mw)...just ignore them
 and don't let them bring you down...and keep bringin in the
 big names!!!...cuz, i gotta give props, phryl production parties
 have yet to dissapoint me!
 
 and i know this is jealousy thing cuz jen from tfc wuz the
 biggest whiner when i banned her from the ohio promotor's
 meeting for talking so much shit before Family Affair 5. >>

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Alright, here's my problem, I really hope someone can help me.

Today I went down to my pair of Gemini PT-1000s and I put on Some Have
to Dance... Some Have to Kill by the Thrill Kill Kult (Wax 039).  Here's
where some fucked up shit happened.  I put the needle at the start and
right before it started playing it slid like 1/3 across the record, then
started playing on the groove it landed on.  So I turned up the
anti-skate and tried again.

This time is slid maybe 1/2 cm into the record, and then began playing. 
So I turned the weight up on the tonearm to 3 g and tried playing it
once more, and it did the same thing.  It did this with both sides of
the record with the same results.  So I took the record and put it on
the other table.  It played fine.  So I took the needle from the record
player that it fucked up on and put it on the record player that worked
and tried playing the record.  At the beginning of the side I was
playing it starts with a sample that goes "And this is what the devil
does!" then the music starts.  Well it would play "And th-" and then it
would jump back and groove and play this again.  All the shit on both
the tables are set exactly the same, and I cannot figure out what the
fuck is wrong.

Oh yeah, and when I put on another record onto the record player with
the needle it fucks up with it played perfectly fine.  Has anyone heard
of anything like this happening?  Is my record fucked up?  Is my needle
fucked up?  Are *both* my needles fucked up?  Is my turntable fucked up?

I would be eternally grateful to anyone who can help.  Thanks.  Oh yeah
and sorry to those of you on both gabber and mw-raves, but I'm fucking
desperate.

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Indianapolis. may 6th.

VERY VERY special "suprise" proformance by a future house legend!!!!
Live PA with Vocals!!! This special show will be a first for this area. 
expect new songs due out on Underground Therapy and rising sun records!!!!!

dj's Terry Mullan. catalyst
terry's back at long last!!!!!extended set

Dj Skip (push Pac)
sing it back bring skip back  

dj Bizz (houston)
funk dub house tech whatever he rocks it!

Daniel Thompson (chicago) 
this Karma resident makes his first IN appearance. Look for his new record 
coming out on gene ferris's label. 

revolution 9 (scarab records)  
live techno!!!!!!!!special (nude?) proformanace for cyberjive's big day!!

dj Aaron Ochoa (push Pac)
Aaron says "Love will fix it". you'd better listen!

Cyberjive  & Slater Hogan 
4 tables two dj's nuff said (for now!)

Dj Indieo 
One of the top Prog house amd Trance dj's in the south!!
Look for his new release out on his own lable VISE. 

Evil ed (new Orleans)
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Jimbo (flyfm.net)
san fran house to bring up the sun!!!!


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"And this is what the devil
>does
  Is my record fucked up?  Is my needle fucked up?  Are *both* my needles 
fucked up?  Is my turntable fucked up?

you'll need an old priest and a young priest...

love,
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you should turn into one of those people who puts a quarter on their 
needles!

no,this could be a number of things...it happened to me using numarks one 
time..i just tried a bunch of different stuff,i don't recall what fixed 
it...try getting new stylus' and playing with your weight.

i hope this helps

>From: Nicholas Christ <panam@mail.execpc.com>
>Reply-To: Nicholas Christ <panam@mail.execpc.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org, gabber@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] Question directed to all the DJs
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:31:14 -0600
>
>Alright, here's my problem, I really hope someone can help me.
>
>Today I went down to my pair of Gemini PT-1000s and I put on Some Have
>to Dance... Some Have to Kill by the Thrill Kill Kult (Wax 039).  Here's
>where some fucked up shit happened.  I put the needle at the start and
>right before it started playing it slid like 1/3 across the record, then
>started playing on the groove it landed on.  So I turned up the
>anti-skate and tried again.
>
>This time is slid maybe 1/2 cm into the record, and then began playing.
>So I turned the weight up on the tonearm to 3 g and tried playing it
>once more, and it did the same thing.  It did this with both sides of
>the record with the same results.  So I took the record and put it on
>the other table.  It played fine.  So I took the needle from the record
>player that it fucked up on and put it on the record player that worked
>and tried playing the record.  At the beginning of the side I was
>playing it starts with a sample that goes "And this is what the devil
>does!" then the music starts.  Well it would play "And th-" and then it
>would jump back and groove and play this again.  All the shit on both
>the tables are set exactly the same, and I cannot figure out what the
>fuck is wrong.
>
>Oh yeah, and when I put on another record onto the record player with
>the needle it fucks up with it played perfectly fine.  Has anyone heard
>of anything like this happening?  Is my record fucked up?  Is my needle
>fucked up?  Are *both* my needles fucked up?  Is my turntable fucked up?
>
>I would be eternally grateful to anyone who can help.  Thanks.  Oh yeah
>and sorry to those of you on both gabber and mw-raves, but I'm fucking
>desperate.
>
>--
>-Nicholas Christ
>  panam@mail.execpc.com
>
>-
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>



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In a message dated 3/14/0 1:21:58 AM, tekkgirlie wrote:

<<Okay Stevie, 
Why did you fwd, reply this to mw-raves ?
when it was on pb-cle  ?
Viktor is not on mw-raves, therefore it has nothing to do 
with mw-raves.>>

ahhh...tekkgirlie, ever the thorn on everyone's side...

twas not a less than a week ago that whistle 2 was 
mentioned on here...catching the same flack from the
same shit talkers on mw...

i fwd'ed it here for a reason...to point out that the real
reason that local 13, phyrl, and other large promotional
crus are shunned is not because they "suck", but because 
they are so successfull at what they do and *can* bring in 
the big names where all others have failed at...and this is
the main reason why not as succesfull crus like jenn at
future consortium spread so much negativity about them

but thanks for your trite li'l spew of negativity, too bad it
had nothing to do with anything we were talking about...next
time atleast "act" like you can make some sort of coherent
response to the subject at hand rather than bitch for bitching's
sake...altho it is something you do seem to excel at judging from
latest reviews of how just about everybody "sucked" at the
last party you attended.



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In a message dated 13/03/00 10:07:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< altho it is something you do seem to excel at judging from
 latest reviews of how just about everybody "sucked" at the
 last party you attended. >>


Um, I never said EVERYONE sucked at any party I have attended..
Actually, the last post I made about a party was all good.
I state my opinions on here like everyone else does...
So fuck off dooooood
I bitch, and I will never stop.
If you dont like it , do not read my posts..  I NEVER read yours, but viktor 
pointed out that you fwded it to mwraves and he wondered why.. so I sorted 
through my deleted mail and read and asked..
the last one ill ever read from you..

lorie

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<<ahhh...tekkgirlie, ever the thorn on everyone's side...>>


One more thing..
I know more then 1/2 of the people on this list personally and I am friends 
with them.. 
so dont go there girlfriend.
Im just a thorn on your side cuz I busted on your ass for tryin to hit on me.
hah.
I wouldnt bother replying, cuz im jus gonna delete it, cuz I dont want chad 
and everyone else to get pissy cuz you are LAME and a waste of mail space..

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Steviet069@aol.com writes:

<< the main reason why not as succesfull crus like jenn at
 future consortium spread so much negativity about them >>


they throw great partyz. maybe not ones with 20 different headliners but damn 
good partyz

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Stevie T farted: (in regards to everyone's right to a personal opinion about
local 13)
:the main reason why not as succesfull crus like jenn at
:future consortium spread so much negativity about them


success is measured not by how successful others perceive you, but how
successful you perceive yourself

and i'm pretty sure jenn is damn happy with what she does

perhaps you would like to include her in this, so that she may defend
herself, as i'm quite sure you would acknowledge her right to do so...

oh, and mr. perfect spelling....its s-u-c-c-e-s-s-f-u-l

thanks,
always the shit-talker (with the rockstar boobs, of course)
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In a message dated 3/14/0 3:27:05 AM, tekkgirlie wrote:

<<tryin to hit on me.>>

lol, u call posting my IM of how to perform cunnilingus
hitting on you?...and might i add, one of the dullest 
conversations i've ever had...with me doing almost all the
talking and you doing, well....no wonder you write reviews
with quotes like "sucked"..."blew balls"...etc...not only
are you an epicenter of negativity, you have no creativity
whatsoever...talk about lame...if your biting remarks doesn't
scare away the guys, surely your blandness will...

plus what does this have to do with local 13 or any other
large promotional crus selling out?...didn't i ask for you to
try to atleast "act" like you know what's going on?...sheesh i 
finally make *one* rave related post & i'm getting flamed
for what now?

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In a message dated 3/14/0 3:27:05 AM, tekkgirlie wrote:
 
 <<tryin to hit on me.>> >>

hi. 
stevie t has hit on me as well.  he insulted my friends
he said we could be "eachothers little secrets"
lucky me!

jen sixtybus  :)

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indieo is the shiznit!

-gruve



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In a message dated 3/14/0 3:53:05 AM, pixie wrote:

<<oh, and mr. perfect spelling....its s-u-c-c-e-s-s-f-u-l


thanks,

always the shit-talker (with the rockstar boobs, of course)

pixie>>

ugh...this is a perfect example of what happens when idiots
take over a list

rather than discussing the subject at hand or anything even
remotely rave related, flame bitches like tekkgirlie & pixie 
would rather talk shit and their rockstar boobs!!!

this list has definitly hit an all time low!!



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In a message dated 3/14/0 4:11:42 AM, jen60bus wrote:

<<stevie t has hit on me as well.  he insulted my friends
he said we could be "eachothers little secrets">>

what in the world?!...i do not call makin fun of yur pic
hittin on you!!

pfft, more like i'll try to keep it a secret how goofy you
& your friends look!!

ahhhhhh!!!...the freaks have taken over!!!!


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 04:29:11 2000
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nice how you cut out the rave related part of my message....and then
proceeded to act as if it wasn't even there

stevie...i really suggest you get away from the monitor more....that may be
what's wrong with your eyesight

thanks


stevie ralphed:

:ugh...this is a perfect example of what happens when idiots
:take over a list

:
:this list has definitly hit an all time low!! i can't stop posting!



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Alright, many many thanks to all those who responded, I just have one
more question:

Anybody know how well Shure live up to their 1 year warranty?  I figured
out that the problem is that the actual little little needle thingy is
pushed too far into the goddamn little plastic thing it comes in, and
somehow that's what's fucking it up.  I've treated both my
tables/records/needles with the utmost fucking care, better than I would
treat my own babies if I had them I'm sure, and my ass does not have an
extra $40 to pick up a new needle.

-- 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 05:29:03 2000
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I know it'z a stretch, but would anyone have the flyer for Brisk back in 
December of 98? Thanks..

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> ugh...this is a perfect example of what happens when idiots
> take over a list
> 
> rather than discussing the subject at hand or anything even
> remotely rave related, flame bitches like tekkgirlie & pixie 
> would rather talk shit and their rockstar boobs!!!

yeah!!  we should be talking about newbie boobies instead!

duh pixie and lorie!!


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In a message dated 14/03/00 12:38:17 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
dpayer@umich.edu writes:

<< duh pixie and lorie!! >>


/me puts helmet on pixie and myself and we bang our heads on the coffee table.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 05:43:02 2000
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okay, I've been on the list about a month or two and I still don't know what 
NRR or {pb-cle} or whatever that was mean. help?
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 05:45:55 2000
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pb-cle is a common venereal disease in the party community.  make sure you
ask any guy or chick you're gonna hook up with if they've been tested for
pb-cle.

and i think NRR has something to do with NPR.  but i can't be sure

-t

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okay, I've been on the list about a month or two and I still don't know what

NRR or {pb-cle} or whatever that was mean. help?
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>okay, I've been on the list about a month or two and I still don't know what 
>NRR or {pb-cle} or whatever that was mean. help?


pb-cle means pubic-cleavage.

All those posts are sex-related.

NRR means Never Rave Rolling.  mw-raves is a completely straight-edge
mailing list.

Hope this helps!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 05:49:30 2000
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nrr = nine ravers raving
pb-cle =  pee brain candyravers loving ecstasy

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 05:55:03 2000
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Thank you, finally, a straight answer


In a message dated 3/13/00 11:49:30 PM Central Standard Time, 
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<< 
 > okay, I've been on the list about a month or two and I still don't know 
what
 > NRR or {pb-cle} or whatever that was mean. help?
 > ~Menning
 
 NRR - Not Rave Related
 SRR - Sort of Rave Related
 VRR - Very Rave Related
 {pb-cle} - Pittsburgh / Cleveland Raves Mailing List (Pb-Cle Raves for
 short)
 
 hope this helps,
 -ben . elroy
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any1 heard or cn confirm the party has been moved to dayton?


Gabriel

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DiscoDisciples & The BEAT*FREQs 
proudly join forces to present for your 
raving madness......


  M i C R O C O S M 
A little Sum'in Sum'in
        version 1.0

Featuring 

DJ MODA - Trancefussion - SanFran
Having grown up with Christopher Lawrence, Moda
and Chris became a part of the trance legion as 
early as 1991.  Since then, MODA has continued 
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mix CDs, productions, and events!  Tonight, he 
comes to his first appearance in Indianapolis to 
warp perceptions and bend wills!  

OH! DONOVAN (AKA Sean Patrick) - Ireland -
How sweet it is!  Sean Patrick has devest8ed 
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harder-than-mosttrance sets.  Another first
for Indy, Sean will top the night off correct!

XiAN (The X-Man) - CBS - Cincy
A mixture of house and techno, Xian has been 
DJing for years!  This jock knows jack... and so 
will you!

2 x 4 marathon

BLAIR BROWN / CHOCOLATE (The Freaky AfroNaut)
Playing CONTINUOUSLY on 4 turntables, Chocolate
and Blair "Eclair" Brown will be debutting this techno
assault of the senses!  You won't want to miss this!

K-STEP / danDAVE
Also continuously on 4 turntables, K-Step will be
accentuating danDave'sdark tech-step with his own
step/jump-up!  Plus, add both of these kids' amazing
technical proficiency in tricknology, and you'll have
a jungle eXperience to DIE for!

Also featuring the Log2 Sound System DJs:
ADAM ABSTRAKT  &  DEMENTIA
Adam's hard-house ala BAM BAM, DJ IRENE, and
TONY B!, is making waves throughout Indy, 
Chicago, and Detroit.  March 24th will be another
example of him tearing shit up!  Dementia
played originally for The Indpls Alliance at
NuSkoolScience and set the mood for a killer
night!  Trance of the highest order, Demenia's
set will mesmerize you!  

   M i C R O C O S M 
A Little Sum'in Sum'in
         version 1.0

You'll love this high-vibed party!  

$10


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ALSO, DON"T FORGET!!!!

The PLEASURE DOME is March 18th
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Disco Rules!

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from what I've been told, its going to be held at the Dayton Gym Club. I'm 
sure if you go to Aphrodite this thursday, Jason will be there to confrim it.

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Subject: Positive 2..Please forward to everyone you know...
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:55:41 GMT
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This Saturday March 18th, 2000
Scrubbing Bubble/Nautigroove productions presents:

"POSITIVE 2"

Heres the lineup:

Main Room....

9-10 JSpeed, Cincy, Hip-Hop/Jungle
10-11 Edison, Cincy, House
11-12 Sonik, Cincy, Live PA, Detroit House and Jungle
12-1 Merlyn, Miami, Electro/Breaks
1-230 Mystic Bill, Chicago, House
230-4 Nautigroove, Cincy, Ya never know??
4-530 Dr.Trance, Toronto, Tear Jerking Trance!!
530-6 Matt Bandy, Lexington, House/Techno
630-8 7up, Pittsburgh, House

Room 2...

9-10 M.P.H., Cincy, Jungle
10-11 React, Cincy, Techno
11-12 Spahn, Cincy, Jungle
12-1 Goodvibe, Cincy, Progressive House
1-2 Troll, Cincy, Jungle
2-3 Darryl Lovebomb, Nashville, Hard House
3-4 T.E.K. United, Cincy, Live PA, Drum & Bass
4-5 Bagel, Pittsburgh, Drum & Bass
5-6 Suspence, Cincy, House
6-7 Cliff Davis, Atlanta, House, Speed Garage, Progressive trance
7-8 Abintra, Cincy, Trance

The party is expected to sell out so get there early...There have been over 
200 presale tickets already sold!!!
We refuse to cram the place ridiculously!!!

*********************
******ATTENTION******
*********************
We tried our best to secure a safe legal venue in Cincinnati, but were 
unable to locate a venue large enough to hold Positive 2...
So we had to move the party to Dayton... I just wanted to personally 
apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you in your travels...I tried 
my best.. : (  Nautigroove

The directions are as follows:

>From Cincinnati:
take 75 North to 35 East toward Xenia...Take the Keowee and Wayne st. 
exit...

>From Columbus:
take 70 West to 75 South to 35 East toward Xenia...Take the Keowee and Wayne 
st. exit...

>From Pittsburgh:
Take 79 South to 70 West to 75 South to 35 East toward Xenia...take the 
Keowee and Wayne st. exit...

>From Toledo:
take 75 South to 35 East toward Xenia...take the Keowee and Wayne st. 
exit...

>From Indianapolis:
take 70 East to 75 South to 35 East toward Xenia...take the Keowee and Wayne 
st. exit...

>From Louisville:
take 71 North to 75 North to 35 East toward Xenia...take the keowee and 
Wayne st. exit...

>From Cleveland:
take 71 South to 70 West to 75 South to 35 East toward Xenia...take the 
Keowee and Wayne st. exit...


Turn Right off the exit onto Keowee...Then at the second stoplight turn 
Right on Wayne st...The space is on Wayne st. about 2 blocks up on the 
right...The space is called the "Dayton Gym Club" There will be a neon sign 
in front of it with the name on it. There is plenty of parking behind the 
space, please park responsibly!!!

There will be a map on the web page in a couple of days...

www.nautigrooveproductions.nu

info line...606.653.2601 (but you dont need to call if you received this)

Dont bring any guns, knives, markers, cans of any sort, or DRUGS!!!!!

Get plenty of rest the night before so you can dance your ass off!!! I dont 
wanna see anyone sitting down...

I will see everyone there...PLUR.....Nautigroove






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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 08:02:21 2000
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ok....

now, I hate to be the whining raver that bitches on
and on and on about the priceof a party but...

Having looked at the POSITIVE 2 flyer... how do they
justify charging 25$ for that event???  When I FIRST
looked at the flyer I thought "Well, maybe they have
this KICK ASS space that's REALLY expensive..."

But, then, we get the message that they couldn't
secure a solid venue in Cincy and had to move it to
Dayton.  Hmm///  Then obviously, space budget wasn't a
consideration when they slapped that $25 price tag on
the flyer.  So, with most of the DJs being local (yet
good) DJs, where's the cost???

So, I'm sorry if this brings up a whole
discussion/flame-war regarding cost vs price, but
DAMN!  It seems a trifle bit on the Greed-Shade side
to me.  

But what do I know...?

I'm just a raver.

-Mark 
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Raves are too expensive!  How am I supposed to steal that much money from
my parents in one weekend?  I mean, I need $20 for the door, at least $20
for drugs, $5 for a mask, $5 for water, $5 for glowsticks, and $5 for
breakfast!  My mom's purse is only so deep!  (Hold your tongue and say
that last sentence...  Man I miss third grade!)

Not to mention I have to buy my dope fly phat (there ya go, Ken) pants, a
tight visor and a bag of beads so I can make bracelets for my "friends."

Seriously, though, what the hell happened to the rave scene?

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what scene?

    -bill

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> Raves are too expensive!  How am I supposed to steal that much money from
> my parents in one weekend?  I mean, I need $20 for the door, at least $20
> for drugs, $5 for a mask, $5 for water, $5 for glowsticks, and $5 for
> breakfast!  My mom's purse is only so deep!  (Hold your tongue and say
> that last sentence...  Man I miss third grade!)
> 
> Not to mention I have to buy my dope fly phat (there ya go, Ken) pants, a
> tight visor and a bag of beads so I can make bracelets for my "friends."
> 
> Seriously, though, what the hell happened to the rave scene?
> 
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MusiqueBoyy wrote:

> So, with most of the DJs being local (yet
> good) DJs, where's the cost???

better yet, where's the hardcore?



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In a message dated 3/14/0 4:29:59 AM, pigsee done queefed:

<<nice how you cut out the rave related part of my message....
and then proceeded to act as if it wasn't even there>>

excuse me?...just because you quoted the part where i was
actually talking about something rave related does not
qualify your post as rave related, you twit!!...

<<stevie...i really suggest you get away from the monitor more>>

quit talkin shit, shit for brains...i partied all this weekend...
why do you think i wrote that stacey pullens review?...just got 
back from a party actually on a monday night of all things, an 
ele mental private party, "isolate" that featured west coast dj's...
at the new fire exit space with even more quirky artsy fartsy 
installations while your sorry ass was stuck to the computer 
screen waiting for me to reply to you...

are we seeing a pattern here folx?...true kids get invited to parties,
some even get vip treatment.

losers can only talk shit.

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I'm headin up to Chi-town this weekend and plan on hitting some stores.  I was woundering if anyone
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proof positive why I *heart* atomly

kitten

>From: atomly <atomly@atomly.com>

>Raves are too expensive!  How am I supposed to steal that much money from
>my parents in one weekend?  I mean, I need $20 for the door, at least $20
>for drugs, $5 for a mask, $5 for water, $5 for glowsticks, and $5 for
>breakfast!  My mom's purse is only so deep!  (Hold your tongue and say
>that last sentence...  Man I miss third grade!)
>
>Not to mention I have to buy my dope fly phat (there ya go, Ken) pants, a
>tight visor and a bag of beads so I can make bracelets for my "friends."
>
>Seriously, though, what the hell happened to the rave scene?
>
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if you agree then word em up n if you don't

T H E N ssshhhuuuttt tthhee fffuuuccckk uppp

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fuckers fud funk

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Steviet069@aol.com wrote:

> ugh...this is a perfect example of what happens when idiots take over
> a list...this list has definitly hit an all time low!!

so why don't you remedy the problem by shutting the fuck up?  If you're
going to flame back at every little disagreement to your 'gospel', then
you're the idiot bringing everything down.  Try being above it all, like
an 'enlightened' person would be.

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IS HE STILL ALIVE????????????????

can someone give me his number???

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 15:18:28 2000
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I have a question for you people. This is not to
offend the promoters of the party, but do you really
think it's a fair thing to do to throw a party put
yourself in the headlining slot? I see more and more
of that kind of stuff happening all over the place -
using your own events to promote yourself. Now, I
understand that it's unavoidable at a certain degree,
but what does it say about the real purpose of
throwing a party? I mean...maybe I am being idealistic
here, but isn't the goal to bring in good talent and
have a good time? Now I am sure Nautigroove is a very
good dj...i've heard it  from everybody....which makes
it even more strange to me. Why does a DJ with a good
reputation and talent have to shove his name down
people's throats?

Any ideas?
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 16:10:08 2000
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Tuesday nights live from Long Island, New York is Eternal Beats Internet
Radio 10PM-1:30AM Eastern Standard Time.  Go to www.eternalbeats.net and
click on live broadcast.  The long running Eternal Beats show is heard
through your computer's real player software.  Join the chat room and
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the New York Message board.  The new Lord V CD is out, it's breakbeat
and electro, e-mail me your address and recieve the limited edition FREE
CD.   Happy  Saint Patrick's day to all.

My aol screen name is DJ Lord V  you can instant message me anytime
during the broadcast

March 14, 2000

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 16:14:21 2000
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>I have a question for you people. This is not to
>offend the promoters of the party, but do you really
>think it's a fair thing to do to throw a party put
>yourself in the headlining slot?

if this dj is a good dj, then what's the problem? there are a lot of good 
djs out there who are not willing to suck someone's wang or hookup free 
drugs in order to get a chance to play out. i know that there are few to no 
djs on this list who do that. but, i also know a lot of kids from high 
school who knew the right people. with 3 months or 6 months of djing, these 
kids are playing big parties cuz of who they know not how they spin.
if a dj loves her/his music and loves to share it with others, why badmouth 
her/him? cuz he/she's spinning at her party? why should rave ettiquite 
prevent anyone from doing what they love?
another note, any complaints about richie headlining the parties he throws? 
what about putting his brother on the lineup?.. he knows what he wants to 
create and chooses to extend that beyond the music. i am sure that a lot of 
djs would do that if they could.
but, there are always those that would prefer to suck wang and become a 
superstar dj. whatever floats your boat.

love,
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 17:00:54 2000
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Ravers are funny.

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Subject: [PKU] the ten+ commandments of rave

From: STEINER138@webtv.net

Thou shalt not kill the atmosphere with overt sex on the dancefloor.

Thou shalt not holdest alcohol while dancing, for the other ravers shall
not hold him guiltless, who wields a Colt 45 on the dancefloor.

Thou shall not covet thy neighbors glowstick, nor his spot on the
dancefloor.

Thou shalt not holdest thy cigarette while catching a groove o the
dancefloor. For the other ravers might suffer burning flesh wounds or
ruined rave gear.

Thou shalt smile at the gentleman or lady moving to the beat nearest
you.

Thou shalt not upset the holy Technics by jumping near or on the DJ.

Thou shalt wear extra deodrant so as not to offend thy fellow raver.

Thou shalt open some door or window so as to allow the winds of
freshness to cool thy congregation.

Thou shalt announce all disc jockeys prior to their appearance.

Thou shalt provide WATER and free fruit so as to replenish the thirst
and appetites of thy bretheren ravers.

Thou shalt use smoke so as to better envelope thy fellow ravers.

Thou shalt not touch thine mouth to thine neighbors water bottle, as
plague and virus thus spread rapidly through the community.

Thou shalt not grimace nor act angry when bumped by a passer-by, but
smile and say:        "no problemo"

Thou shalt blow thy party whistle and wave thine hands in the air when
the music lifts thine spirit.

Thou shalt not pass out chemical concoctions of thine own invention to
fellow ravers.

Thou shalt not scam thy fellow raver.

Thou shalt all worship the same god-
THE MUSIC
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hope ya enjoyed =)
Chuck
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 17:10:42 2000
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Thought some of you D-Town freaks might be interested in this...

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Subject: (idm) dropbeat tour:columbus, oh

at the risk of following up a thread with yet another astoundingly positive 
account of this tour, here it goes;

amazing.  best $5 i've ever spent.  set's were a little on the short side, 
but hey, all parties involved used their time effecitvely.

kit clayton: dubby, experimental at times, more techno tinged at times but 
all around wonderful.  oh, and if that boy leans over his g3 like that for 
the rest of his life, we're talking scoliosis.

chessie: wasn't sure what to expect, but i was pleasantly surprised.  i was 
afraid it was going to meander into fuzz rock type territory, but pleasantly 
enough it reminded me of some of the older bowery electric (w/out vocals of 
course) and some earlier seefeel.  excellent.  could have done without the 
seemingly ten minutes between each track though.

stewart walker: crashing laptops?  no.  try instead dying power strip.  just 
as he had developed a smooth tech house type groove power went off.  walker 
brushed it off though as several guys from chessie and clayton himself all 
rushed the stage to get walker up and running again.  thankfully they got 
him on within ten minutes or so and from there on he switched to a higher 
tempo techno and got the 30 or 40 people in the crowd all bobbing their 
heads and/or dancing.  definitely knew how to work the crowd.  all in all 
one of the best live pa techno sets i've seen.

as for equip:  clayton used an older g3 laptop w/some sort of midi/effects 
controller and walker stayed pretty much to his large akai looking drum 
machine/sampler and his nord lead 2 modular.

if possible, it's highly recommended that anyone see this show.  i would 
have paid five times that much if i had to.






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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 14 17:11:28 2000
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Ever heard of Geoffro - out of Philly??
What about DJ Moose - out of Cleveland??

They are the Dj's participating in this weeks battle at faderwars.com

Geoffro has a sweet set - using drum and bass, jazz, and a little bit of 
house to take you on a journey thru his land. This mix is tight. If you have 
a chance - check this cat out.

Dj Moose also has a great mix - jump-up influenced bizness mixed well to 
give you a taste of his style. This kid is going places.

ALso in the Featured Selection area we have Myster Mason with a slammin' 
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I found this article interestingly funny...check out the intro paragraphe=
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I don't know about you, but "stickin a pacifier in my mouth" and watching=
 a dj
"lay down beats, sounds a little.....well..you decide.

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>Thou shalt not holdest alcohol while dancing, for the other ravers shall
>not hold him guiltless, who wields a Colt 45 on the dancefloor.

I like it when some kid dressed like a Care-Bear and geeked cross-eyed on who-knows-what looks at
me like *I'M* shady for sipping a beer. I also liked looking at the top of the speaker stack one
night and seeing me & my friend's Guinness bottles amongst all the water/GHB ones.

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Well we can look at this from a few different angles.  I understand 
completely what Misha is saying.  I personally played a party where it  was 
Terrance Parker, Scott Henry, Spacegirl and a few other big names.  The 
promoter put Scott and Terrance on early, and spun prime time.  Their crew 
is known for that.  Now, I'm not going to mention any names but the D.J.'s 
they flew in to play did not appreciate that.
Why pay ungodly amounts of money to bring in these prime D.J.'s so that you 
can have then play early/late and you play primetime.  It's makes no sense.  
I personally do not play my own parties..only if I'm forced to by situation 
ie. a late D.J.

Some promoters handle it a different way.  Most promoters that I have seen 
do this are not bad D.J.'s either.  So talent isn't a question.  It's more 
of a courtesy issue with the talent you are bringing in.  These guys just 
plain do not appreciate being used to draw in people to hear the promoter 
spin prime time.
just my $.02.

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>I have a question for you people. This is not to
>offend the promoters of the party, but do you really
>think it's a fair thing to do to throw a party put
>yourself in the headlining slot?

if this dj is a good dj, then what's the problem? there are a lot of good
djs out there who are not willing to suck someone's wang or hookup free
drugs in order to get a chance to play out. i know that there are few to no
djs on this list who do that. but, i also know a lot of kids from high
school who knew the right people. with 3 months or 6 months of djing, these
kids are playing big parties cuz of who they know not how they spin.
if a dj loves her/his music and loves to share it with others, why badmouth
her/him? cuz he/she's spinning at her party? why should rave ettiquite
prevent anyone from doing what they love?
another note, any complaints about richie headlining the parties he throws?
what about putting his brother on the lineup?.. he knows what he wants to
create and chooses to extend that beyond the music. i am sure that a lot of
djs would do that if they could.
but, there are always those that would prefer to suck wang and become a
superstar dj. whatever floats your boat.

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Well, I think a lot of promoters just book a bunch of their friends and
then a few big acts...  Once their friends start getting on the tables
early in the night, it's pretty hard for them to say no to them a lot of
the time...  So all of their friends end up playing and it's about 4 or 5
at least before the headliner goes on...  This happens all the time and it
sucks...  A headliner flies halfway across the country to play a show to 4
cracked out ravers and a security guard or something.

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In a message dated 3/14/0 5:11:07 PM, you wrote:

<<if possible, it's highly recommended that anyone see this show.  
i would have paid five times that much if i had to.>>

lol, we din't have to pay anything to get in...but it was mostly cuz
we got there so late...."sorry, i-so-late!"...there was a smile and
then a gesture for free admittance...

yup, this was the party we attended last night...i specifically did
not post about it to keep the idiots out...

i'm surprised he didn't elaborate on the space: that bizarre giant
furry hammock in the back, those surreal red "plants" growing in 
the sideroom and in the basement with all those flood lights (kinda 
reminiscent of....)...all those tiny little red birds...

i got to meet the inhabitants...nice guys, three art students have to 
pay like $1500 a month for that space...so expect more events in the 
future to help them make rent...but i kinda miss the ole fire exit space 
with more nooks & crannies and off the wall art pieces.

there's a slew of other lo-key events coming up in columbus also
including a huge day party two days before my birthday w/ dan curtin.
...columbus is finally pickin up after the winter chill, but still 
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in advance, sorry guys...i know you're tired of seeing e-mail regarding this
guy, and he's going in my ignore list right now.

: In a message dated 3/14/0 4:29:59 AM, pixie serenaded, on clouds of rose
petals misted with morning dew:
: <<nice how you cut out the rave related part of my message....
: and then proceeded to act as if it wasn't even there>>
:
: excuse me?...just because you quoted the part where i was
: actually talking about something rave related does not
: qualify your post as rave related, you twit!!...

stevie. seek help, medication, something....i wrote several lines about
people's right to have a personal opinion about promoters, how success is
measured....you really show your maturity with the name calling and such,
regardless, you still continue to overlook that all important fact that you
ignored the rave related part of my post simply to talk shit about me,
someone you have never met and don't know anything about.

 : <<stevie...i really suggest you get away from the monitor more>>
:
: quit talkin (talking) shit, shit for brains...i partied all this
weekend...
: why do you think i wrote that stacey pullens review?

for attention (oh, and it's stacey pullen (no s))

: back from a party actually on a monday night of all things, an
: ele mental private party, "isolate" that featured west coast dj's...
: at the new fire exit space with even more quirky artsy fartsy
: installations while your sorry ass was stuck to the computer
: screen waiting for me to reply to you...

hey stevie...guess what....yesterday (ie MONDAY ie AFTER THE WEEKEND) is the
first time i've replied to you in quite (mostly because you're just not
worth my time) unlike you, i don't feel the need to parade how cool i am on
a mailing list. i'm satisfied and secure in my social life, and i certainly
don't need to justify it to some random guy from columbus with a complex who
wouldn't have a clue who i was if he saw me on the street (can't say the
same for myself about you, i'm afraid...). i'm glad you had a nice weekend.
kudos to you.
:
: are we seeing a pattern here folx?...true kids get invited to parties,
: some even get vip treatment.

and then there's you. (folks)

: losers can only talk shit.

thank heavens i'm a WINNER!!!
=D

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These guys just plain do not appreciate being used to
>draw in people to hear the promoter spin prime time.
>just my $.02.

i see what you are saying. i only hope that the promoters involved had other 
motives. i.e. giving the other djs an opportunitiy to be heard. (some kids 
pay an ungodly amount of money to hear one superstar dj, then go home.) or 
maybe it has to do with the flow. one might prefer to have djs in a 
particular order based on the type of music that they spin rather than what 
their name is. or, maybe they would put a really good dj who happens to have 
a big name on last because that is the kind of note they want their party to 
end on.
hopefully.

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>Well, I think a lot of promoters just book a bunch of their friends and
>then a few big acts...  Once their friends start getting on the tables
>early in the night, it's pretty hard for them to say no to them a lot of
>the time...  So all of their friends end up playing and it's about 4 or 5
>at least before the headliner goes on...  This happens all the time and it
>sucks...  A headliner flies halfway across the country to play a show to 4
>cracked out ravers and a security guard or something.

i have very little promoting experience. i guess it depends on the 
situation. there are times when having the headliner last is the most 
sensible thing to do. for example, our headliner had a later flight and 
wanted to rest up before his set. so, he went on towards the end of the 
party. it couldnt have worked out better. the party went all night. hardly 
anyone left early. not only that, but a lot of kids got to hear some amazing 
music that they were not familiar with (i.e. sho, etc.). the party ended on 
a great note. and the kids went home happy.
that's just my experience, though. sometimes its okay to break the mold.

love,
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if its okay, pixie, you are my bitch.

> 
> : losers can only talk shit.
> 
> thank heavens i'm a WINNER!!!
> =D
> 
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> 


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supreme carrys all the new stuff
gramaphone for backstock
hiphouse has some good stuff
hotjams sucks for techno

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> I'm headin up to Chi-town this weekend and plan on hitting some stores.  I
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Does anyone have this track??

I'll mail you a beer or two for it!

Traffik "point break" it's on statik records

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In a message dated 3/14/0 5:53:57 PM, pigsee wrote:

<<thank heavens i'm a WINNER!!!>>

um no, that would make you the wanna-be shit talkin 
*LOSER* that party promotors actually go out of their
way to prevent from coming to their parties...but i guess
in the mean time you can try and find some new candy
kids that might believe your bullshit...the true kids will
always know what's up!!

this my dear fellow listees is what happens when a gossip
queen thinks she can get away with her perpetual smack
talk, just because she thinks she has "rockstar boobies"...

ironic, aside from her typical spew of senseless smack 
dribble and how "secure" she is in her sorry excuse for a life, 
she has still failed to even remotely "act" like she can mention 
anything pertaining to the subject at hand aside from spell 
checking my previous quotes in typical geek fashion that atleast 
included some music and party reviews.


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<Wrapped in tinfoil as defense against mind-control beams, in a miserable attempt to make himself
sound "down" steviet pulled himself away from whatever passes for his life to sputter>

: back from a party actually on a monday night of all things, an
: ele mental private party, "isolate" that featured west coast dj's...
: at the new fire exit space with even more quirky artsy fartsy installations 

<he then went on to congratulate himself on his elite VIP'ness>

Ok not to fuel the flames here.. But your reality check just bounced (we already knew the account
was heavily overdrawn).

This "private party" at the Firexit last night was the Clayton/Chessie/Walker show and was posted
to another list (that you aren't on, hallelujah and praise Dobbs) about a month ago, and was a
*publicly* advertised event which was part of an even more *public* tour. The "west coast" people
were PA's, and the DJ's were from Columbus... Oh, what's the use?

At least get your story straight, if not your head.. 



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In a message dated 3/14/0 6:16:44 PM, insubordinate wrote:

<<if its okay, pixie, you are my bitch.>>

hate to break it to you dude, but she's like everybody's
bitch on mw...didn't you notice written on her forehead
when she was performing what she does best on you?...
it says: "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF
HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

don't know what it means?...check the book of Revelations
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--Ignatius J. Reilly wrote--
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mmmmmmmmmmmm.... guinness.....

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Trancedanz@aol.com wrote:

> any1 heard or cn confirm the party has been moved to dayton?
>
> Gabriel

I think it has.  I think I know where it's gonna be and it's a pretty
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"MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF
> HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."
> 
> don't know what it means?...check the book of Revelations
> 17:5.
> 
> 
> -

how about you suck on my monster, y'know the one with seven heads and
ten horns.

choke on my tail as it sweeps a third of the stars from the sky.

the book of revelations was written by a schizo that was in jail for way
to long.

Jester

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Hello.  I'm the new kid on the block.

Peace out,
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Yeah, it's been moved to Dayton. The space is big.

I'm playing 9-11 if anyone cares...

2 hours of techno mayhem!!!!

-react

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> > any1 heard or cn confirm the party has been moved to dayton?
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>I think it has.  I think I know where it's gonna be and it's a pretty
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oh no, more stuff from pb-cle gettin imported into
the mw...stevie preparin for the next onslaught of
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The best place to get tickets is priceline.com. I have gotten all my tickets 
for 80-100 bucks. Make sure you name a decent price because if you dont they 
make you rearrange all flight information (days ect) and the only other 
downfalls are, you don't get to pick your times, but can pick a time range 
(6am-10pm or all hours including redeye, you cannot make any changes to these 
tickets, and you gottah make atleast one connection (layover).

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First off, thinking and knowing are two very different things.

There are a lot of reason why promoters book up and coming dj's.

One reason is to give deserved exposure to proper talent (regardless if it's 
a friend or not)
Another would be to fill an slot to help the flow, and to keep the floor 
moving. And so on.

I think the scenario described in the message below is uncommon at a large 
scale production and has never happened at party that I have been to or that 
I have thrown.

Headliners are Headliners.

And in most cases, the artist rider (contract) states a time window that the 
artist must perform.

ex. not before 12am and not after 4am.

Guys like Derrick May and Dave Angel don't play for 4 cracked ravers and a 
security guard.

And any promoter who doesn't have his head up his ass is not going to let 
local talent dictate when the headliners go on.

And Like Jaimme said, sometimes it's appropriate to have a headliner go on 
last.

A perfect example would dj's like Miles Maeda, Mark Farina,
Stewart Walker, or Richie Hawtin(because his sets are long and his music 
takes you to different levels).

Just to name a few.


randy (react) @ subsonik



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>To: atomly@atomly.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] positive 2
>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:14:09 GMT
>
>>Well, I think a lot of promoters just book a bunch of their friends and
>>then a few big acts...  Once their friends start getting on the tables
>>early in the night, it's pretty hard for them to say no to them a lot of
>>the time...  So all of their friends end up playing and it's about 4 or 5
>>at least before the headliner goes on...  This happens all the time and it
>>sucks...  A headliner flies halfway across the country to play a show to 4
>>cracked out ravers and a security guard or something.
>
>i have very little promoting experience. i guess it depends on the
>situation. there are times when having the headliner last is the most
>sensible thing to do. for example, our headliner had a later flight and
>wanted to rest up before his set. so, he went on towards the end of the
>party. it couldnt have worked out better. the party went all night. hardly
>anyone left early. not only that, but a lot of kids got to hear some 
>amazing
>music that they were not familiar with (i.e. sho, etc.). the party ended on
>a great note. and the kids went home happy.
>that's just my experience, though. sometimes its okay to break the mold.
>
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In a message dated 3/14/0 8:18:14 PM, jester blasphemized

<<the book of revelations was written by a schizo that was 
in jail for way to long.>>

now let's not desacrate the good book now...

and sorry, being of feeble mind & body, you do not even qualify
as a poser anti-christ...

but check this site: http: www.aristotle.net/~bhuie/beast.htm...
it's what i'm researching now...perhaps you can be one of his 
understudies & work for the government!



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In a message dated 3/14/0 6:36:16 PM, ted wrote:

<<were PA's, and the DJ's were from Columbus... Oh, what's 
the use?

At least get your story straight, if not your head>>

lol, what did pixie promise you a handjob for writing
all that hoopla?

desperate people with desperate measures.


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a li'l sumpin for the true kids, idiots can stay at home
and talk shit on their computers...

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ICONOCLAST Productions brings forth:  
LOST SIGHT      Friday April 7, 2000       Lexington, Kentucky

Many of us have lost sight of the reason we go to "raves!" How 
fitting to name a rave "LOST SIGHT." Today we go to 
huge "raves" that are so far removed from the original "raves" 
so many of us remember. The goal of ICONOCLAST is to bring 
these intimate gatherings of a few hundred people to the 
surface once again. A place where different individuals can 
safely enjoy the music we all love, and at the same time avoid 
illegal substances, while meeting new individuals like you. Let 
these DJs take you on a natural high and make it possible for 
you to regain and realize the reason we all started going to 
raves in the first place... THE MUSIC!

DJS:
4 way turntable warefare on 3+ decks of Jungle and crazy Drum-N-
Bass in yo face for 2+ hours
Simpleton           ICONOCLAST            (Dallas, TX)    
Jungle/DNB
Charles Cromer      ICONOCLAST             (Lexington)    
Jungle/DNB
HeadStrong       Ruff Drapht/SUBSONIK    (Cinncinnatti)   
Jungle/DNB
Mad Atr             ICONOCLAST             (Lexington)    
Jungle/DNB

A Midwest favorite now in just a short time of playing in 
Lexington for an extended set
DJ Tsar            Entice/K Krew           (LEX/Russia)       
Trance

You might not of heard of them just yet, but by the end of the 
night you will be screaming their names!!! 
Julian Ross      Strictly Live/ICONOCLAST  (CHICAGO/LEX)      
Ghetto
Jason Shelton        FUNKWAGON              (LEXINGTON)  
Hard/Ghetto
Brandon Robinette    ICONOCLAST             (LEXINGTON)        
House

***Plus a surprise DJ possibly to be announced the night of the 
event***

Tickets:   only $5 @ the door  
Info: Main:  (877)660-3960   -ICONOCLAST Productions          
      Other: (606)288-4599   -Entice Productions
21+  from 9pm - 1am       
18+  from 1am - ???         

There is only a 200-person limit due to the intimate nature of 
the event so arrive early or earlier then normal. There will be 
no tagging the venue, drugs, disrespect, or any type of illegal 
behavior tolerated.  Come and experience a rave the likes of 
that you haven't seen in a long time.

Much thanks and respect to everyone, especially our families 
and friends, for your continual support of the ICONOCLAST 
Productions crew and myself. Hope to see you there!    Look for 
the website coming soon...



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yeah, $25 is kinda of steep.

there are a lot of things to be considered though.

Jason has a lot of extra's in store for this party.

Awsome Sound from a great sound company,

the best light show from the best light company around. plus other things I 
can't tell you about.

the space,
it's a space. and spaces to throw raves in aren't growing on trees.

$25 is not that steep when you're investing $10,000-$20,000 on a party. but 
still.

it's not my party, but I know jason well enough to know that he isn't shady 
or thoughtless.

i think it will be a good party with a good vibe.

-react







>From: MusiqueBoyy <musique_69@yahoo.com>
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>Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:01:52 -0800 (PST)
>
>ok....
>
>now, I hate to be the whining raver that bitches on
>and on and on about the priceof a party but...
>
>Having looked at the POSITIVE 2 flyer... how do they
>justify charging 25$ for that event???  When I FIRST
>looked at the flyer I thought "Well, maybe they have
>this KICK ASS space that's REALLY expensive..."
>
>But, then, we get the message that they couldn't
>secure a solid venue in Cincy and had to move it to
>Dayton.  Hmm///  Then obviously, space budget wasn't a
>consideration when they slapped that $25 price tag on
>the flyer.  So, with most of the DJs being local (yet
>good) DJs, where's the cost???
>
>So, I'm sorry if this brings up a whole
>discussion/flame-war regarding cost vs price, but
>DAMN!  It seems a trifle bit on the Greed-Shade side
>to me.
>
>But what do I know...?
>
>I'm just a raver.
>
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FUCK YOUR FUCKING MOM UP HER ASSHOLE UNTIL YOU CRY.

Now go rave, you pieces of worthless shit that were once mw-raves.

Matt



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In a message dated 14/03/00 9:29:52 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
demmon@students.uiuc.edu writes:

<< FUCK YOUR FUCKING MOM UP HER ASSHOLE UNTIL YOU CRY.>>


Mom's are fucking?
damn, GO MOM !
 
 Now go rave, you pieces of worthless shit that were once mw-raves.
 
 Matt >>

Im raving to this 

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GODDAMN NETSPLITS !


raversuckmyleftpinkytoe.

I LOVE YOU ALL 
PLUR*
me
baby
all 
night 
long.

okay im bored.. imma =X now.
btw..  I just mailfiltered steviet..
NO MOREEEEEEE FOR MEEEE
what took me so long? 
thanks ted =P
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Well, well, well H.  Welcome.  Since you are new to this list, there are a 
few important things that you need to be aware of:

1.  You must submit a link to your personal website within 10 days which 
shall contain at least one nude photo (um, of yourself).

2.  You are required to send a dollar to everyone who responds to your 
introductory message.  $10 to the first five.

3.  It is recommended that you set your email to filter out messages from 
steviet069.  Apparently he is some wise yet insane asian man who preaches on 
many matters yet is master of none.  I have been told that he has some sort 
of mental problem that does not allow him to be more than three feet from 
his computer without extreme withdrawal symptoms, this disorder has been 
exacerbated by his social ineptness and has resulted in as many as 30 
postings in one day.  Filter him.

4.  Despite the name of this list, we do not discuss "raves" or "all night 
dance parties".  Most of what we message about has to do with aboriginal 
hunting techniques or pottery.  Sorry if that disappoints you.

5.  Pixie is God.

6.  jen60bus is God.

7.  candykidz rule.

8.  Pussy has nothing to do with Trance.

9.  I love you.

10. PLUR is not the newest Teletubbie.

11. John Gotti is gay.

12. Drugs are bad, they're bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

13. Doris is my sister so don't hit on her.

14. If Y-O-R-K promises to send you a mixtape, he is lying and simply 
peeling the stamp off of your self-addressed stamped envelope for his own 
morbid personal collection.

15. Wow, internet police.

one love,
sj

ps.  not only do ravers blow, SomeSwallow.



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>Hello.  I'm the new kid on the block.
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>Peace out,
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> 13. Doris is my sister so don't hit on her.

unless you're tall.  then it's ok.  


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lol, here's another pb-cle import, my boy alex is doin
another party comin up...this one is especially for the ones 
that was talkin all that shit against breakers...

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                                              Sphere & Baseheads present
                                              Rahzel and Mix Master Mike
                                                Sunday March 19th, 2000
                                                    At the Agora Theater
                                                           9pm - 2am

$17.50 in advance  -  $20.00 the day of show
Tickets available through all Ticketmaster locations and
 www.ticketmaster.com
And the Agora box office. M-F 10am-5pm (no surcharge)


|RAHZEL - 11:30-12:30
|
|  "The Godfather of Noyze" Rahzel, hailing from the live Hip Hop band the
|Roots, is bringing to you his original beatboxing and rhyming stylee. He
|is here to promote his solo release, "Make the Music 2000."  Rahzel is
|ripping up stages with his vocal |percussion show, performing the MTV hit,
|"All I Know," and blowing away audiences with his unique style of beat box
|and original rhymes.  Now, having Mix Master Mike lay down the cuts,
|Rahzel will be overlaying the beats, rhymes, and whoknowswhat, creating a
|show unlike any other!
|
|MIX MASTER MIKE - 10:14-11:15
|
|  Mix Master Mike is one of the founding members of the Invisibl Skratch
|Piklz along with Q-Bert, Shortcut, D-Styles, A-Trak and others, and is
|also the DJ for the infamous Beastie Boys.  Having won the 1992 DMC Team
|Battle with Q-Bert and DJ Apollo, Mix Master Mike has taken "turntablism"
|to the next level. Always pushing himself to the limit, coming up with new
|scratches and amazing crowds with his skills on the decks, there's no
|question that Mike is perhaps one of the greatest turntablist DJ's in the
|world! Hitting the road in support of his 3rd solo album, come witness the
|skills when he lays down the cuts as Rahzel lays down the rhymes!
|
|CHOCLAIR - 9:30-10:00
|
|DJ CURRY - The winner of the Cleveland Scratch Battle Contest - 9:00-9:15
|
|TIK TAK - Baseheads, Sphere - Cleveland - 1:15-2:00
|
|DEEPBLUE - Breakology, Fader Freekz, Sphere - Cleveland - 12:30-1:15
|                                                            (during the
breakdance competition)
|
|There will also be a team breakdancing competition during the concert,
|where contestants will compete for a cash pot and the crown of "best
|breakdancing team of the east!" There is a $30 entry fee which will be
|tossed into a pot to be given away to the winning b-boy team.
|One representative from each team must register in person at the Agora to
|compete in the competition. Entry is $30 per team, which also includes
|admission to the show.
|
|Agora 24-Hour Concertline: 216.881.6911
|
|Sphere - 216.556.2982
|              216.556.5081
|
|There is no guestlist for this event.
|
|Upcoming events:
|Baseheads - "Bass Invaders" - Friday April 7th, 2000
|                     Featuring: 3D, Sage, KC & headliner w/ MC TBA!!
|Sphere - "Tonka 2" - Sphere's dropping bombs with this one!
|                Friday July 21st (pre-party to knock your socks off)
|                Saturday July 22nd (festival: day)
|                Tonka2 Saturday July 22nd (main event: night)
|                Sunday July 23rd (free)
|
www.sphereproductions.com




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Damn...this show was around $45 or so here at the House of Blues...I'd be
hyping up Choclair, cuz Rahzel ain't shit when it comes to
lyricism...sure, his beatbox is a nice little gimmick, but he gets eaten
by real MC's...
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 Steviet069@aol.com wrote:

> lol, here's another pb-cle import, my boy alex is doin
> another party comin up...this one is especially for the ones 
> that was talkin all that shit against breakers...
> 


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In a message dated 3/15/0 3:02:06 AM, you wrote:

<<3.  It is recommended that you set your email to filter 
out messages from steviet069.  Apparently he is some wise 
yet insane asian man who preaches on many matters yet is 
master>>

lol, the only reason people on here think i'm insane is
because i actually make rave related posts and *know*
what i'm talking about...opposed to the typical mw 
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>> 13. Doris is my sister so don't hit on her.
>
>unless you're tall.  then it's ok.  


What about a tall girl?  *wiggles her eyebrows up and down*

fergus ;p


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-->desperate people with desperate measures.

pissed off people with no mail filters lashing out at a boy who just
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 03:52:04 2000
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In a message dated 3/15/0 2:35:29 AM, you wrote:

<<*** Yahweh has quit IRC (irc.best.net irc.lightning.net)
*** earcandy has quit IRC (irc.best.net irc.lightning.net)
*** marauderx has quit IRC (irc.best.net irc.lightning.net)
*** chrise has quit IRC (irc.best.net irc.lightning.net)
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get on aol im, then you can have kewl conversations like 
this...

Steviet069:  btw how wuz cleveland?
 TinaRave:   REALLY FUN!!!  We had a great time. ****'s family 
is TOTALLY italian, they are from sicily.  We ate SO MUCH 
FOOD!!!  YOu cannot imagine the size of the meals!  
 Steviet069:     lol, is he a gangsta?
 TinaRave:   Actually, his family in Sicily is very much into 
the Mafia.  Saturday night - I am not making this up, this is 
one meal - we had 3 kinds of pizza, lasagna, fish, veal cutlets, 
bread with caponata, and these rolled bread things with garlic 
and onions and cheese.  It was amazing!!!
 TinaRave:   I ate WAAAAAY too much!!!
 Steviet069:     hmmmm....marry him!!!
 TinaRave:   Well, he needs to shave and get rid of the AFRO 
first.  Yes, he has an afro.
 Steviet069:     lol, he has an afro?
 TinaRave:   Yes, isn't that strange?  He's not black . . . he 
just has this really coarse hair, so he has a HUGE afro.  Then 
for the next day for dinner we had this WONDERFUL homemade 
pasta with this WONDERFUL homemade sauce, more homemade 
bread, and this other kind of meat.
 Steviet069:     marry him!!...marry him!!!
 Steviet069:     lol, wuz it like the sopranos?
 TinaRave:   Oh yes, and for breakfast (this is ONE breakfast) 
we had chocolate chip pancakes, omlettes, bacon, and toast!  
Crazy!  They had SO MUCH FOOD!!! 
 TinaRave:   I have never seen the sopranos.  :o(  I think you 
would have enjoyed yourself, though.  I know you like to eat!
 Steviet069:     lol, u should've taken me!!!
 TinaRave:   Well, I am going to bed.  :o(  I am tired.  :o(  SO I 
will try to talk to dad tomorrow and see what he can do.  I will 
remind him that you fixed our computer.   My parents like you a 
lot, anyways.  You may just have to come for dinner!  Or would 
you prefer to go to my friend's house in Cleveland for that
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 04:00:54 2000
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Here's the deal...I need help finding a really nice restaurant in downtown
Chicago...I already have Ron of Japan, Signature Room, Spruce, Pump Room,
and the Ritz Carlton in mind...anyone have any other ideas?  Preferably an
eatery with a nice view, maybe live music, price around $20-50/plate...any
input would be much appreciated!
Thanks,
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 04:03:14 2000
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--- subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> yeah, $25 is kinda of steep.

"Kinda steep???"

Well, I'm perfectly willing to pay $25 for a party! 
In my eyes, it's like a concert, and I've paid up to
$40 for a concert before so I can't bitch about an
8-hour affair for $25...

But (and there is ALWAYS a "but")....

> 
> there are a lot of things to be considered though.
> 
> Jason has a lot of extra's in store for this party.
> 
> Awsome Sound from a great sound company,
> 
> the best light show from the best light company
> around. plus other things I 
> can't tell you about.

Hmmm.. to me, that's akin to a movie that has AWESOME
special effects, and little to no plot!  Now, I'm not
saying the DJs on the roster aren't talented...  What
I AM saying is that, unless he is spending more than
$15,000 on production alone (which I REALLY doubt),
then I don't see how ANYONE can justify the $25/$30
price tag of the party...  and nothing anyone can say
can change my mind.  

I've seen parties in smaller towns with smaller
expected turnouts come across killer sound and
lighting for $20... PLUS had more than 1 headliner and
2 or 3 "medium weights"....  Now, maybe he's being
over-charged by the DJs... that could be the case. 
And, I'll be at the Pleasure Dome this Saturday so I
won't know how it all turned out.  I hope the lighting
was spectacular.... I hope there were gymnasts and
circus clowns and fireworks and a space to end all
spaces.  I hope people don't leave feeling they were
over-charged ....  of course, the problem arises that,
so long as the drugs are good, I'm sure they won't
care in the end, if it cost $5 or $50 to get in.  And
that is far more sorrier than over-pricing a party.

Yeah, Pleasure Dome is $25 after midnight (but I've
heard rumours that they are simply charging $20 now)
but, I don't know...  I have a value system on
parties.  And when I see a $25-price tag on a party
with a BUNCH of locals that can be seen at a $15
party... well...  I have to question motives.

Add to that the whole prime-time-slot Nauti-Groove
gave himself and you have yourself a basket of doubts
and questions.

> 
> the space,
> it's a space. and spaces to throw raves in aren't
> growing on trees.
> 
But does it constitute throwing a $25 
party that I've seen bfore for far cheaper? 

Keep-in-mind, he didn't HAVE a space to 
begin with before they formulated the price tag
so he can't really use that as an excuse.  

> $25 is not that steep when you're investing
> $10,000-$20,000 on a party. but 
> still.

A party that cost $10, 000 SHOULD NEVER BE 
$25!!!  500 @ $20 would be all you need. And,
if you doubt 500 people would show up, then 
maybe youshould re-evaluate the value of the
party and not up the price.  Now, if the 
party cost $20,000 then I could see charging alot.
But, for $20,000 we should be getting WAY MORE 
than what we have for POSITIVE 2.  Now, again,
I won't be there... so someone will have to tell me 
whether or not it was worth $25 with these other
frivilous additions.  

Is the lighting SPECTACULAR??? Moreso than what you've
seen at a $15 or $20 party???  Is the sound
thunderous?!?!?!  Moreso than you've felt at the
$15-20 party????  Where the party favours THAT MUCH
MO' BETTA'?!?!?!? Or, even necessary????  Did you feel
HAPPY knowing that you paid for those party favours
and added non-necessities (or promoters' rent and car
payments for that matter)???  That's a question those
in attendance willhave to tell me.  And, for the
promoters' sake, I hope they do!

> 
> it's not my party, but I know jason well enough to
> know that he isn't shady 
> or thoughtless.
> 

I don't know jason, so I am reserved at calling him
shady... but, you have to admit ... ON PAPER it
doesn't LOOK like a $25 party....  again, whether or
not it FEELS like one remains to be seen.  I wish him 
luck!

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white castle
35th st burger & brat stand
leona's near cabrini green

----- Original Message -----
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> Here's the deal...I need help finding a really nice restaurant in downtown
> Chicago...I already have Ron of Japan, Signature Room, Spruce, Pump Room,
> and the Ritz Carlton in mind...anyone have any other ideas?  Preferably an
> eatery with a nice view, maybe live music, price around $20-50/plate...any
> input would be much appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Jerry
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At 10:01 PM 3/14/00 -0800, you wrote:
>white castle
>35th st burger & brat stand
>leona's near cabrini green
 
that mr. sub by hot jams is pretty damn tasty too.

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> At 10:01 PM 3/14/00 -0800, you wrote:
> >white castle
> >35th st burger & brat stand
> >leona's near cabrini green
>  
> that mr. sub by hot jams is pretty damn tasty too.
> 
> chris

it is pretty good, they got RC cola there too



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Thanks, but I could scour the net and find zillions of restaurants, but I
was looking for people who could personally attest to the quality of a
particular restaurant...
The only person in recent history to thank Stevie,
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How tall does one have to be to ride? ;P




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Ya wanna know one of the best places?  Go Tuscany's.....it's about in your 
price range, and just has amazing food.......it's like italian.....lots of 
seafood.....located (I think) around greek town, I know for sure it's close 
to the University of Illinois in Chicago campus......ask the waiter if they 
have any fish specials.......I had one when I was there (I'm sooooo sorry I 
can't remember what it is) but it literally melted in my 
mouth........although everything was good.  You can't go wrong, trust 
me.....one of the best restaurants I've ever attempted.

Of course, the restaurant on top of the John Hancock building is good 
also.....and the view!

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The sarcastic one..
The one who drives the most beautiful 1977 Chevy Caprice I've ever seen
The closet candy raver
The one who wrote a trance track that if played in public, would have me 
sobbing on the speakers once again.
The one who's walls are adorned with Garfield ("Learning by Osmosis"), 
Jetsons (The Movie!) and other various cute animals with catchy phrases. 

I could go on...

Ladies and Gentlemen..  chrisege is god

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anyone wanna give me sum advice on where the hell i should go to have sum fun 
around here....kenosha is draggin'...HELP!!! PUHLEEZ!!!

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hehe, more imports...this one's from my girl, april...a real
diva in the know...for all the true heads, the posers can
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some of you may already have this info, but i found the most comprehensive 
list of events that are taking place at the WMC. there is NO way i'm 
sleeping at all while i'm there. and since i don't do drugs i guess that 
means i am going to have to drink ludicrous amounts of coffee. =P

www.streetsound.pseudo.com/zine/glhouse_zine/wmc/index.html

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 09:00:11 2000
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speakin o true divas anyone catch the li'l tiddy in
GEAR magazine bout sandra collins?...the desert party
trance queen..."raised in las vegas by show-biz parents
(her mom dated elvis)...she was babysat by charo...milton
berle was her godfather...she turned up in Bill and Ted's
Excellent Adventure ('my boyfriend got jealous i was
talking to keanu reeves', she laughs)...but after watching
her parents live fast & die young (both were dead by the
time she was 19), she turned to music for catharsis and
grounding"...

i gotta give props, GEAR is my pick for kewlest new zine...
only $12 for a subscription...a cornucopia of the hottest
models, the latest gear, interviews with your favorite teen
idols, indepth coverage of real-world events like bosnia 
and columbia, music & film, and of course plenty of articles 
about my favorite subject "sex & love"...after all it's
published by the man behind PENTHOUSE - bob guccione, jr...
OG Porn*Star in the house!!...you know what's up!!

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Mashed Potato Club. It's pretty cool... Imagine eating at a DISCOTIQUE. Mashed potatoes and then some. It's by downtown (on Erie). Actually, it's kinds like eating at Big Gay Al's. Still...it's fun fun fun... Mashed potatoes for dinner? Hell yeah. Try the meatloaf.

Technicolor Kitchen. It's another nice cozy place. Funky atmosphere and equally funky food. They serve cocktails so you know it's good. I spent $125 for 2 people there- mind you it was Valentines day. On an average it's about $13-20 an entree. Wierd American food. Belmont & Ashland...a few blocks west of the hip Belmont & Clark area.

Try these two places....

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What do you get when you cross..

Wait, let me try that again.

I saw none other than Derrick May play to a ridiculously small crowd on two different occasions.
In my experience most ravers are sadly uneducated as to the music and performers; whoever's name
is biggest on the flyer must be good.. But I'm also of the opinion that most of them prefer the
most shallow and corny music available.. Which is why you get everyone clearing the room during
Derrick May's set at Bass Reaction to go hear none other than "NautiGroove" drop such compelling
tracks as "Horny98" in the 2nd room..

 Point being, I see this happen all the time and it bothers me.. For some IMNSHO mediocre DJ to
charge $25 for a party he's headlining is not only ridiculous but even a little insulting. But
I'll be somewhere else.

                                        -ted





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Right on, Ted.

>
>
>What do you get when you cross..
>
>Wait, let me try that again.
>
>I saw none other than Derrick May play to a ridiculously small crowd on two 
>different occasions.
>In my experience most ravers are sadly uneducated as to the music and 
>performers; whoever's name
>is biggest on the flyer must be good.. But I'm also of the opinion that 
>most of them prefer the
>most shallow and corny music available.. Which is why you get everyone 
>clearing the room during
>Derrick May's set at Bass Reaction to go hear none other than "NautiGroove" 
>drop such compelling
>tracks as "Horny98" in the 2nd room..
>
>  Point being, I see this happen all the time and it bothers me.. For some 
>IMNSHO mediocre DJ to
>charge $25 for a party he's headlining is not only ridiculous but even a 
>little insulting. But
>I'll be somewhere else.
>
>                                         -ted
>
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>> Hello all,
>>    Well we at Lil' Diva Productions are excited to be starting up
>> what
>> will be a great series of small, but fun club nights! To kick off
>> these
>> parties we are bringing you a 100% all jungle/D-n-B party! So all
>> you
>> "Bass Heads" come to a night phat ass music! Note:There is also a
>> rumor
>> that some of the DJ's and thier friends are going to get into the
>> whole
>> Jungle theme and sport the Camoflage threads, so if you want to join
>> the
>> fun come dressed ready for action(there is no diference in price of
>> entrance!)
>>                         PROJECT: JUNGLE WARFARE
>> March 31st @ The Electronic Groove Box, Nashville, TN- $11- doors
>> oepn at 10pm 18 & up- 21 to drink(ID required) Info:Lil'
>> Diva(615)400-3815 Groove Box (615)201-2423!
>> ROOM 1                          ROOM 2
>> 10pm-12am   B-PLUS & MENACE     10pm-12am  Havok
>> 12am-1:30am BLONDIE ETCETERA    12am-2am   LARY BREAKS
>> 1:30am-3am  BOBBLE              2am-3am    MISS K
>> 3am-4:30am  GRAHAM              3am-4:30am FLIP C
>> 4:30am-6am  DORIAN              4:30am-6am MK2
>> DIRECTIONS: From all points North, East, & West come into Nashville
>> and
>> get on I65 South. Take exit 89(Wedgewood Ave.) Turn right. Turn left
>> at
>> first traffic light! The club is approx. 1 mile on the right next to
>>
>> Captain D's. From the South take I65 North. Get off at exit
>> 89(Wedgewood
>> Ave.) Turn left. At traffic light turn left. The club is approx. 1
>> mile
>> on the right next to Captain D's!
>>
>> Also soon to be coming "Divas of the Dance Floor 2" & "Supafly 2000"
>>
>> Thanx,
>> Jayson
>> Lil' Diva Productions
>>
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> Hello everyone,
>        Well here is th 2nd of our Lil' Diva events we have planned for
> you! The 2nd installment of our all girl dj line-up, Divas of the
> Dance Floor 2! Last years Diva party was amazing! The best vibe I have
> ever seen at a party! The girls had a blast and the crowd was loving
> it(and our headliner cancelled & everyone still had a blast!) Well,
> this year our headliner and line-up are 100% confirmed! So I can't
> wait to see you at a LIL' DIVA PRODUCTIONS EVENT
>                      DIVAS OF THE DANCE FLOOR 2!
>                 CHARLOTTE THE BARONESS(SAN FRANCISCO)
> SOUNDCAT(CINCINNATTI)              LITTLE JEN(ATLANTA)
> NICOLE(ATLANTA)                           EVE(ATLANTA)
> GIANNA(NASHVILLE)                        AISLYNN(NASHVILLE)
> RENEEFRENCH(NASHVILLE)             JENNY(NASHVILLE)
> JESSICA(NASVILLE/CINCY)
> @ THE ELECTRONIC GROOVE BOX IN nASHVILLE, TN ON APRIL 28th, 2000!
> DOORS OPEN AT 10PM!
> 18&OVER/21 TO DRINK(ID'S REQUIRED!) INFO LINES (615)400-3815(LIL'
> DIVA)/(615)201-2423
> (GROOVE BOX!)    $13
> DIRECTIONS FROM ALL POINTS NORTH, EAST, & WEST COME INTO NASHVILLE AND
> GET ON I65 SOUTH.
> GET OFF AT  EXIT 89(WEDGEWOOD AVE.)TURN RIGHT! AT TRAFFIC LIGHT TURN
> LEFT! THE CLUB IS ON THE RIGHT APPROX. 1 MILE NEXT TO CAPTAIN D'S.
> FROM THE SOUTH TAKE I65 NORTH. GET OFF AT EXIT 89(WEDGEWOOD AVE) TURN
> LEFT. AT TRAFFIC LIGHT TURN LEFT. THE CLUB IS ON THE RIGHT APPROX. 1
> MILE NEXT TO CAPTAIN D'S!
>
> I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE EVRYONE THERE! IT IS GOING TO BE A BLAST! ALSO
> DON'T FORGET ABOUT JUNGLE WARFARE MARCH 31ST AND LOOK OUT FOR THE
> LINE-UP FOR SUPAFLY 2000(MAY!)
> JAYSON
> LIL' DIVA PRODUCTIONS


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 15:26:49 2000
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I was unaware that posting on a email chain of people all interested in the 
same thing was a spam.  I looked at it more in a sense that everyone 
interested in Pay Pal, could in a sense make some serious cash.  Sorry for 
my inconvenience.

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>> Hello all,
>>    Well we at Lil' Diva Productions are excited to be starting up
>> what
>> will be a great series of small, but fun club nights! To kick off
>> these
>> parties we are bringing you a 100% all jungle/D-n-B party! So all
>> you
>> "Bass Heads" come to a night phat ass music! Note:There is also a
>> rumor
>> that some of the DJ's and thier friends are going to get into the
>> whole
>> Jungle theme and sport the Camoflage threads, so if you want to join
>> the
>> fun come dressed ready for action(there is no diference in price of
>> entrance!)
>>                         PROJECT: JUNGLE WARFARE
>> March 31st @ The Electronic Groove Box, Nashville, TN- $11- doors
>> oepn at 10pm 18 & up- 21 to drink(ID required) Info:Lil'
>> Diva(615)400-3815 Groove Box (615)201-2423!
>> ROOM 1                          ROOM 2
>> 10pm-12am   B-PLUS & MENACE     10pm-12am  Havok
>> 12am-1:30am BLONDIE ETCETERA    12am-2am   LARY BREAKS
>> 1:30am-3am  BOBBLE              2am-3am    MISS K
>> 3am-4:30am  GRAHAM              3am-4:30am FLIP C
>> 4:30am-6am  DORIAN              4:30am-6am MK2
>> DIRECTIONS: From all points North, East, & West come into Nashville
>> and
>> get on I65 South. Take exit 89(Wedgewood Ave.) Turn right. Turn left
>> at
>> first traffic light! The club is approx. 1 mile on the right next to
>>
>> Captain D's. From the South take I65 North. Get off at exit
>> 89(Wedgewood
>> Ave.) Turn left. At traffic light turn left. The club is approx. 1
>> mile
>> on the right next to Captain D's!
>>
>> Also soon to be coming "Divas of the Dance Floor 2" & "Supafly 2000"
>>
>> Thanx,
>> Jayson
>> Lil' Diva Productions
>>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 15:49:51 2000
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>>FUCK YOUR FUCKING MOM UP HER ASSHOLE UNTIL YOU CRY.

Ooooh...talk dirty to me baby.  :)  *poke poke*

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 16:15:42 2000
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>From our Madison-Milwaukee Event list:

FRI MARCH 31

{Kenosha} March Madness (raverworld.com)

DJs: Paul Johnson (Dusttraxx), Mark Almaria (ABS, Hip House, Akshun
Productiosn), Traxx (Chicago, Soul Foundation, Disko B. Re.,
JeLo-Multimedia.com), Delta 9 (D Boy, Shadow Lands, Industrial Strength),
Paul Anthony (Greenhouse Records), DJ 3D {RealAudio sets in HipHopMusic}
(Jungle), Miss Hollie (Breaks / House / Trance / Techno - Madison -
Deceptikon Unit, Eucalyptus)

$15 presale at raverworld.com & Hip House Records or $20 at the door with
canned food donation / Info: 312.409.6198 raverworld or 312.552.6815
raverworld or 847.604.0579 Future Forces

>From Kenosha you can drive up to Milwaukee - all the milwaukee events on the
list are in BLUE (KENOSHA in WHITE).  Check for fliers for coming raves at
these two places in Milwaukee: at Revolutions (on N Water) and Massive
Record Source (on Oakland next to the Walgreens off Locust).

Len Lindsay ( LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com )
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> anyone wanna give me sum advice on where the hell i should go to have sum
fun
> around here....kenosha is draggin'...HELP!!! PUHLEEZ!!!
>
> ::KC::
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here's some more words from the wise, especially in lieu 
of what happened @ navigate

but for those who do smoke, check http://www.ronbosworld.com/
smoking/index.html...www.ozemail.com/au/~kyama/post/014725/
hun.html...hooterville.net/post/smoke1a.htm...sextowers.com/adult/
325/aschick.htm...sexhawk.com/tng/sam2/index.html

hehe, my li'l plan for the posers to filter me has worked brilliantly!
...i thought i would hafta play newbie boobie forever...for the true
kids that knew what up...big ups for bein truley hardcore...you know
the score...

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These are a few things that everyone should know.  Pass them on.

1)  If the venue owner has a no smoking rule, that means NO SMOKING.  This 
isn't to piss you off or to make your night less enjoyable.  Those are 
his/her rules and we must abide by them.
On a similar note, perhaps FLOWER needs to have a tobacco flyer for their 
tables.  The vast number of people that went charging through the door this 
past weekend at LMSIFYCD when we allowed them outside to smoke was 
astounding.  And then most of them stayed in that tiny lobby area.  It was 
not pleasurable for the people working the door to be engulfed in 200 
smokers-worth of secondhand menthol smoke. ugh.

2)  If you are working a party and are given a laminate as part of the crew, 
realize that by wearing that laminate you have certain responsibilities.  
This laminate identifies you as someone that the partygoers can come to if 
they have a problem or question as well as someone who is expected to uphold 
the values of the party.  I personally feel that people working the party 
should remain sober, but if you feel the need to do drugs you had better do 
them discreetly and completely out of view.  It doesn't make sense for one 
crew member to scold a partygoer for doing drugs openly and then turn around 
and see someone wearing a laminate toking up with the rest of them.  Simply 
wearing a laminate does not exempt you from the rules.

3)  It is very dumb to walk up to a person wearing a laminate and ask them 
where you can find 
rolls/pills/meth/weed/a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,w,x,y, or 
z.  Don't do it.
Also, do not get angry at the crew if they point out something that you are 
doing wrong.  Chances are, the stuff they're scolding you for is stupid in 
the first place, and secondly, having an attitude is likely to get you 
ejected from the party, or worse yet, sent to Jess or myself for disciplinary 
action (eek!).

4)  I don't ever want to see another young person lying on the ground 
half-dead.  While I was scared for that kid this past weekend, I was angry 
more than anything.  I wanted to slap him.  Then going back inside and seeing 
even more self-nullifying behavior made me extremely annoyed.  Be smart, for 
chrissakes.  I'm going to start bitchslapping people.

5)  Random tidbit that I thought I'd put in.  If you recorded only my voice 
this past weekend while going around telling people to put their drugs away, 
you probably wouldn't be able to tell if I was at a rave or teaching a 
preschool class:
"Put that down" "Put that out" "Don't put that in your nose" "Settle down" 
"Don't look at me like that" "Are you giving me lip?" "I'll tell your mother"

Have a nice day,
Kelly

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, doris wrote:
> > 13. Doris is my sister so don't hit on her.
> unless you're tall.  then it's ok.  

Woo hoo!  :P

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 17:12:53 2000
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On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:26:21 CST, SuG-R . wrote:

>I was unaware that posting on a email chain of people all interested in the 
>same thing was a spam.  I looked at it more in a sense that everyone 
>interested in Pay Pal, could in a sense make some serious cash.  Sorry for 
>my inconvenience.

Well...by providing a referral link to YOUR account, it was set up
for YOU to make some serious cash.  Also - later this month, the
referral commission drops to only $5.  So you stood to benefit from
this more than the people you were supposedly helping out.

I look at the situation like I do telemarketers.  We are all intelligent
people (well, maybe not stevie t...actually, I guess he is intelligent,
just lame...nevermind).  If we need a service or product, we can
determine our needs and go and search it out for ourselves.  We
don't need someone to e-mail us (or call us in the case of telemarketers)
to let us know about this "wonderful & exciting opportunity".

There is enough advertising on the internet anyway.  We don't need
it on private mailing lists too (it's a lot easier to ignore a banner ad than
a message in your inbox).

Anyway...know you know.  Apology accepted =)

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http://www.theonion.com/onion3609/infograph_3609.html

Hah!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 17:39:51 2000
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In a message dated 3/15/0 5:03:10 PM, pigsee wrote:

<<: hehe, my li'l plan for the posers to filter me has worked 
brilliantly!


whatever>>

hehe, i knew you couldn't resist me, pixie!

admit it, you hate me and love me at the same time!
...069...yin yang...love vs. hate...good vs. evil...light vs. darkness...
knowledge vs. ignorance...creator vs. destroyer!!

oh btw, the "t" is not capitalized in "Steviet069" in a 
reason also...it's a symbol not a letter...as in the silent
cross sang, but who truly understood its meaning!

u might hate me now...but who knows if we ever met...
ever read the story of how brian behlendorf (the creator
of hyperreal.org) met his wife?...he was from the west,
she was from the east...their flame wars were infamous
...they met & got married...there's even a big pic of all
the hyperreal heads @ the wedding (i think you can access
it off of brian's link off of hyperreal)...but i think the only
mw kid representing on the pic at the time was dj sho...

"the path of the righteous man is beset on all sides...
blessed is he who cherish the weak through the valley 
of darkness and i shall strike upon thee with great
fury and rebuke all those that oppose him and you shall
know my name...the name of the Lord!"

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 18:17:13 2000
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Aries sneaks out to peek where the grown-ups are hiding the
biggest, brightest eggs.

Taurus will only eat the finest of Swiss chocolate rabbits,
ears first.

Gemini goes out to hunting until basket is full, then gets
different basket and hunts again, then goes to all other
known hunts in area with quick stops for outfit changes in
between.

Cancer stays at home and hunts through goodies in the
pantry that didn't make it into the baskets, specifically
looking for red jelly beans.

Leos plan their hunting outfit - best pockets - for months,
then won't go out because someone else had the same idea.

Virgo wears a neatly-pressed knickerbocker suit and tells
everyone they're a bookkeeper-to-be, then organizes their
eggs by size, color and contents.

Libra is still standing in front of the closet shelf trying
to decide which basket to take.

Scorpio isn't in it for the candy. (Wink, wink :)

Sagittarius will manage to wander to the next town.

Capricorn makes a list of all the hunts that have good
candy and the optimal schedule to hit them all.

Aquarius stays up all night planning a way to organize all
the children into a great army of easter egg hunters to
cover maximum ground in minimum time and then divide up
all the eggs according to a fair political principle.

Pisces skips the whole thing to compose poetry to the Great
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> On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, doris wrote:
> > > 13. Doris is my sister so don't hit on her.
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> 
> Woo hoo!  :P


umm...

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Sista' Jade Entertainment and the
House of Babylon Broductions of
Indianapolis combine efforts once
more to bring you closer to higher
states of EUPHORIA:


THE PLEASURE DOME
Saturday, March 18, 2000


Indianapolis Indiana


You will be pleasured by the following talent:

**************ALERT! ALERT! ALERT!****************
With an already impressive line-up, we've added
a special guest headlining DJ for your listening
pleasure!!!!  Who will it be???  Come find out
March 18th in Indianapolis at The Pleasure Dome!
************************************************************

The Allies, (Montreal, Quebec, Canada)
A-TRAK  1997 World DMC Champion, 1999 Vestex Champion
At the ripe age of 15, A-Track stunned the world as he
became the 1997 World Mixing Champion.  Tonight,
making his first Indy appearance.  A-Track is gonna rip
it up, showing you the meaning of the words "turntablist"
and "tricknologist"!  An inspiration to many aspiring to
obtain his skill and proficiency, you will never look at
Battle DJing the same way again!


Buzz - Fever (Washington, DC)
SCOTT HENRY True progressive heads know this man!
They worship this man!  Tonight, you'll see why, as he
tears down the walls with his techno-laced progressive
beats!  Imagine bliss peppered with a dash of funk!
Scott hasn't played here in a long time, but we welcome
him back with loving arms.  A truly pleasurable aural experience!


(611 Records - Philly)
NIGEL RICHARDS The man responsible for one of the
better-ran and managed record stores in US history returns
after a long sympatico from Indy to bang it techno style.
Incorporating some of today and tomorrow's best techno
tracks and mixing it effortless with funky house.  It is unlikely
you will leave the dance floor dry! Euphoria's home is right here!


(House of Styles, Pittsburg, PA)
PRODUCT 19 Playing hard techno like nobody's mama!
A special treat for all the good little boys and girls from
the House of Styles crew in Pittsburg.  Product 19 has
eclipsed many before him in his daring techno selections
and ability to program the dancefloor into a frenzy!


(House of Babylon (Indy)/The Pros(Chicago)Log 2 Sound System)
CHOCOLATE THE FREAKY AFRO-NAUT The virgin surgeon himself.
With tech-house records boys cream to and girls shake their titties for.
Chocolate will not disapoint!  Not akin to multiple orgasms, but one
continuous orgasm for 90 minutes!!! DAAAYUHM!!!


(House of Babylon/The Pros/Subwarped Records)
K-STEP Ahhh...... K-Step is making leaps and bounds in terms
of his mixing skill and stlye!  He is wanted nation-wide, from
Detroit, Toronto, StLouis, Omaha, et al.  His orinigal track
CONCRETE TECHNIQUE has recently peeked the interest
of CANVAS RECORDINGS.  Tonight K-Step will
open for A-Track, and show you and the world how we do it
Nap-town style!  Represent!

(Subwarped/House of Babylon)
danDAVE Now for those who like it darck and menacing,
danDAVE is your man!  Quickly rising to the top of the Indy
Junglist creme!


(House of Babylon)
BLAIR BROWN From Chicago meet the latest H of B offering--
the talented Mr. Blair Brown.  His disco infected house grooves
made a stunning (and suprise) impact on the Jan. 14th Burn @
the Hot Spot.  Tonight is his official release!  UNLEASHED!


Doors open at 9:00 p.m.
Music starts at 10:00 p.m.


$20 before midnight $25 after midnight
For those attending the pre-party (PANTY RAiD)
the party will not exceed $20.

There will be a free massage set up from 1AM-3AM
for all you boys & girls who jack too hard!

sound by: Log 2
lights by: project 7


Guest list & Vending requests must be received by March 1.
Such requests must be e-mailed to either of the following
addresses:

housebabylon@aol.com
sistajade@email.com

No exceptions!  No walk-ups!
No service fee for vendors (but gifts are
always appreciated.)

In light of recent events, we will be strictly enforcing the following rules:

NO outside liquids, pagers, cellphones, recording devices of ANY kind,
crabs, mean people, thugs, bad attitudes, markers, weapons, glass or
GHB!  GHB DEALERS WILL BE ARRESTED ON SITE!   PERIOD!!!!!


ROAR in full effect  (Right of Admission Reserved)

Security will be tight but friendly.

HOUSE OF BABYLON  317-592-9236
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House of Babylon BROductions of Indpls &
SistaJade Entertainment are bringing you
the pre-party to end all pre-parties!!!!

PANTY RAiD
The First One to Fall Asleep
Gets their Drawers in the Freezer!

This is the OFFICIAL pre-party to THE PLEASURE
DOME and will feature quality talent at affordable
prices!

The DJs Freakin' tha System for the night are:

DJ DEEON  (Dancemania/Roule) Chicago
Fuck DJ FUNK!  This is the real ghetto GodFather!  Aside from
being one of the better of all the booty house DJs, Deeon's
production qualities are also high in quality!   "Work It!"
"All The Freaks" and "Disko" are all top-notch productions
and his new release on Thomas Bangalter's ROULE is
sure to be well-received!  Plus, he can mix!

FRANKiE VEGA (Mushgroove(chicago)/Remains (nyc) - Chicago
This man has finally arrived!  Having thrown events in and around
the Chicago land area for some years, now, Frankie has also
graced the world with his driving and funky techno.  With his
SENSITIVE USE EP soon to be released on New York's
REMAINS label, Frankie is a force to be reckoned with!

MAZi (UC Afterhours/Subliminal) - Chicago
Man o' Man!  If you are a house jock then I imagine you have
about 5 of this cat's rekkids in your "play bag" at any given time!
His sound is pure jack!  His beats exemplify "peak hour!"  Tonight,
Indy will be blessed with a stellar house performance out-of-this
world!

THREEJAY (UndaGround Elements/The Pros) - Chicago
His parties are constantly evolving.  And so is his DJing.
Come witness the penacle of Chicago House with this
disco-infected guru!

SHIVA (Goddess Complex/SUBterror) - Indy
The goddess herself -- To be feared and WORSHIPPED!
Fuck what Bo knows, Shiva knows techno.  She was born
of techno.  And, when she dies, she will rise like the Phoenix
from the ashes of techno to be reborn!  The Goddess has
arisen!

JAEDE (SistaJade Entertainment) - Indy
We are always looking for new talent.  And here ya go -- Jaede. His
trance is some of the most beautiful out there.  (and ladies, look at
those pecs!!!)

CHARLES PAUL (SistaJade Entertainment) - Indy
Trance Trance Trance.  He'll show you how it's done!


10-11 Charles Paul
11-12 Jaede
12-1   Shiva
1-2.5  Frankie Vega
2.5-4  Deeon
4-5     Mazi
5-6     ThreeJay

Doors open @ 10PM
Music starts @ 10PM

$10 All Night
For those of you with the wrist bands for this pre-party, the Pleasure
Dome ticket price will not exceed $20 no matter when you arrive!

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in the premises - Liquids, Pagers, Cell Phones, Illicit Drugs, Recording
Devices of ANY KIND!  Please use your head.  NO GHB!  GHB DEALERS
WILL BE ARRESTED ON SITE!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 18:43:39 2000
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everyone needs to start coming to st louis parties
more, check out a pic on www.ianhardrecords.com and
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Welcome to the MW-Raves archives at hyperreal.org.
Please report questions & problems to mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 21:23:06 2000
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In a message dated 3/14/100 3:08:52 AM EST, atomly@atomly.com writes:

<< Seriously, though, what the hell happened to the rave scene?
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people started calling it a "scene"...

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 21:29:54 2000
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In a message dated 15/03/00 9:28:27 AM US Eastern Standard Time, 
te_one@yahoo.com writes:

<< Derrick May's set at Bass Reaction >>


HAH!
I have that set on tape...

/me looks at the celing as if I dono what I just said.



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 21:33:04 2000
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if anyone on the list can get get down with LTJ Bukem and his 'lighter' style 
of d n b, then i suggest you get yourself to the rekkid store and check out 
the new lp's that have recently come out.

Its a series of six, 3 rekkid LP's called "Points in Time 1-6"  the first lp 
starts with tunes that came out as early as 92, and as you continue thru the 
series, the tunes get newer and newer.   but for you jungle headz, you'll 
like the early styles, so much better than the new stuff that comes out that 
might be just a bit to mellow.....

anyways sorry if i'm being redundant, but these albums fawking rawk!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 21:50:14 2000
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In case anyone hasn't checked out the e-flier for =

Liquified Universe PLEASE DO!!!!!!!!
Many of us are avoiding the Indy scene right
now because of what it has become......A HASSLE!
So instead of getting out our flashlights on April 1st,
we'll be getting in our caravans and driving to ATLANTA...
(Sorry Kevin and Jason, nothing personal, I DO want
to see Nostalgic, but look at the alternative!)
The main room is where we will be from 10-8a.m.!!!
Monk, Rabbit in the Moon, and SIX hours of Sash and Dig!!!

Check it out at www.liquified.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 21:54:23 2000
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> and SIX hours of Sash and Dig!!!

oh wow, you just named my own personal hell.

/j

* * *

and now I exercise the basic law of Bastard Operating which roughly says,
Bastard Operators don't just win. anyone can win. Bastard Operators win
and totally DEMORALISE. that's *real* winning.
        


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What do you get when you cross..

er.. never mind.

<shudder>

-ted

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> people started calling it a "scene"...

Oh my god... I love you.

There is the Linux community and the Rave scene... if it can become the
rave community again... then MAYBE... MAYBE... it will get better.

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>DUBPHONIK
>The Reggae and Hip-Hop meet the future sounds of
>Turntablism and Jungle
>Presented by Mr.Brown, Jamalski, Culture Shock, and
>Dubmission
>Performers: Machette, J-boogie, MC.Jamalski, MC Tc
>Izlam, Coop Davill, Jahyzer, Sep, Ces One, Consuelo,
>Tik Tak, The Choosen Few, plus special surprise guests
>Location:  Zanzibar, 615 Washington Ave.
>Time: 10:00 PM -5:00 AM
>Contact: kahuna@sirius.com, $5 for WMC badge
>holders/$10 @ the door before 12am

And everyone needs to go just to check one of Sphere's and Cleveland's own,
our boy TIK TAK! He's playing this one, big up to the 216 Jungle massiv!!!

peace and love,
Brian C

www.sphereproductions.com


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FRIDAY, MARCH 24

UNITED DJS OF AMERICA
Presented by Contagious Musiq and Mixer
Sponsored by Contagious Musiq, Travel 2000, Push
Media, Mixer Magazine, Knowledge Magazine
Performers: Main Room DJs: Kimball Collins, Hardware,
David Alvarado, Huda Hudia, Dave Trance & Cliff
Tangredi (2x4), DJ Who, Micro & John Debo (2x4)
Drum&Bass Room DJs: DJ Craze w/ Kingyata, Technical
Itch, DJ Dazee w/ MC Chickaboo, Infamous w/ Kingyata,
Ray Keith, Soul Slinger, Wish FM
Location: Liquid
Time:  10:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact: pushpress@earthlink.net (press only)

HOOJ CHOONS
Performers: Tilt (live), Medway (live), Parks &
Wilson, Quivver, Red Jerry
Location: Shadow Lounge
Time:
Contact:


THERAPY/BLISS
Performers:  Front Room - Dave Seaman, Slacker (live),
Timo Maas, Jonathan Cowan.  Back Room - Chris Fortier,
The Light, Cass, Kyle Hogan.
Location:  Groove Jet, 323 23rd Street
Time:  10:00 PM to close
Contact:




SATURDAY, MARCH 25

ULTRA 2000 GLOBAL BEACH MUSIC FESTIVAL
Presented by D1Vox Magazine in association with
Coolworld Productions
Sponsored by MTV Amp2.0, Play, Radioelectronica.com,
High End Systems, Nexo USA, Futuristic Entertainment
Technologies, Coolworld Productions, Netmix.com, The
Shop, 8 Track, and Push Media Group.
Performers: Live performances: Rabbit in the Moon, The
Light, Hybrid, Deep Sky, Eros, Evolution, Space Men,
Prophasy, and Slacker. DJs: Paul Van Dyk, Sasha, John
Digweed, Dave Seaman, Nick Warren, Westbam, DJ Rap,
Tall Paul, John Kelly, WishFM, Taucher, Talla, George
Acosta, Eddie X, AK 1200, Christopher Lawrence, Craig
Richards, David Padilla, Icey, Josh Wink, Lee
Burridge, Sander Kleinenberg, Simply Jeff, Steve
Lawler, Tall Paul, Luis Diaz, Marcello, D-Xtreme, John
Debo, Johnny Dangerously, Jonathon Cowan, Rickwest,
Rob E and more to be announced.
Location: South Beach, Miami / Between 20th and 22nd
Streets and the Atlantic Ocean
Time: Noon to Midnight
Contact: ultra2000inc@aol.com

WORLDWIDE DJ'S , LABELS DRINKS AND FUN
Performers: Vaughn Roberts (the 718 area), Jef K.
(silver network 75 france), Crabbe (big booya  75
france), Selector Senz (you know me),  Cliff (the
clevelanders sound),  (DJ Justin & DJ Kemit (silver
network)
Location:  Clevelander Hotel 1020 Ocean Drive
Time: 12:00 PM to 6:00 PM
Contact:

F-111 ROOFTOP PARTY
Performers:  Feelgood, Green Velvet
Location:  Sony Building Rooftop, Lincoln Avenue
Time:  6:00 PM - 11:00 PM
Contact:  by invitation only

RESPECT IS BURNING
Sponsored by Playboy, Flyer
Performers: Dmitri From Paris, DJ Deep, Romain
Location:  The Living Room
Time:  10:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact: neil@chezmusic.com

GMM SHOWCASE (Grey Multi Media)
Performers:  Towa Tei, Scott Hardkiss (God Within), DJ
Keoki, Jeru the Damaja (live), Speech (live), Q-Bert &
D-Styles, Space Girl (live), The X-Ecutioners, DJ
Wally, Danny tha Wildchild, Phantom 45, Faust &
Shortee, The Punisher (live), Phoenecia aka Soul
Oddity (live), Supa MC TC Izlam, Tube (live), The
Mudkids, Prof. Goat, Scott Lawrence, Kid 606, , Jesse
Saunders, Sound Lab, Anti-Pop Consortium, plus
exclusive preview of Q-Bert's new movie - Wave
Twisters
Location:  G-Spot (formerly Club Zen), 1203 Washington
Time: doors open at 8:30 PM and the showcase starts at
9 PM with Q-Bert's movie screening.  We will remain
open till 5:00 AM.
Contact:  GreyMultiMedia@aol.com also pre-sale tickets
available at The DJ Store (WPB & Ft. Lauderdale),
Urbandwax in Gainesville and Unity Clothes in Orlando

KING STREET SOUNDS & NITE GROOVES PARTY
Performers:  Loleatta Holloway & Arnold Jarvis (live)
plus in the Ananda Lounge: Ron Trent (Prescription),
Dj Romain (Romatt Music), Chris Brann & the Ananda
Project Sound System and in the Mix The Vibe Room: Dj
Turbo (Gts), Roman (King Street), Benji Candelario,
Lord G. (Def Mix)
Location: Groove Jet, 323 23rd Street
Time: 10:00 PM until close
Contact:

YOSHITOSHI PARTY
Performers: Main room - Deep Dish all night. Back
room: Brother Brown, David Alvarado, DJ Emily, Jason
Jinx, Prince Quick Mix
Location:  Liquid, 1439 Washington Ave.
Time: 11:00 PM to 5:00 AM
Contact:

FUTUREFUNK 2
Presented by Future Music Distribution,
themusicagency.com, Junglized USA, Juice Records, Yes
Mate Records & Flight Recordings
Performers: Jeffee (CD Release Party), Dave Trance (CD
Release party), Debbie D. (CD Release Party), Mike &
Charlie, Wes Smith, Mike B., Dave London, DJ 43,
Kingsize, Rob E, and a special appearance by a well
known Moonshine Recording Artist
Location: Bar Dello, 623 Washington Ave. 18 &up
girls/21 & up guys
Time: 10:00 PM - 6:00 AM
Contact: Future Music: 407.834.7743

INTERSCOPE RECORDS PARTY
Performers: Mousse T (Peppermint Jam), Boris D`Lugosh
(Peppermint Jam), Steve Silk Hurley, Marcus Wyatt.
Live on stage: Anne Nesby, Enrique Iglasias
Location: Bar Room
Time:
Contact: Simon Marlin on 07957 430244

TIGHT MANAGEMENT WARM-UP PARTY/ WAX RECORDS PARTY
Performers:  Doc Martin, King Britt, Marques Wyatt,
Little Chris
Location:  Goddess,  681 Washington Ave.
Time: 11:00 PM - close
Contact:

CATCH 22, G.B.H., GOSSIP, JUICY MUSIC PARTY
Performers; DJ Disciple, Robbie Rivera, Live Elements
& Anthony Macaroni
Location: Bash, 655 Washington Ave
Time: 10:00-5:00
Contact:

F U S I O N   T O U R
Presented by: StreetBeat Records, DMA, Numark, Freak
Girl, Culture
Performers: Baby Anne (Zone, Pandisc), Sandy (Maffdap,
StreeBeat Records), Merlyn (Insomniac/Dreamscape,
StreetBeat Records).  Funk Lab:  DJ's B.Nice & C4
(Funk Lab Records, StreetBeat Records), Chris Fortier
(Balance, Fade Records, StreetBeat Records), and
Mission's own DJ Ash-Rock
Location:  Mission, 637 Washington Ave
Time:
Contact: www.fusiontour.com - Free with WMC Badges,
$10.00 with Ultra Beach Party stamp, $20.00 without
stamp.

PEOPLE, LIKE US...THE PARTY
Presented by vybeMuZiK.com in association with
PlayJ.com
Performers: Terry Lee Brown Jr. (Plastic City),  Jask
(Nitegrooves/K2/Khaimar), The Undah-Dub
(vybeMuZiK.com/Decibel/KBM-NYC), CJ Burken
(vybeMuZiK.com/KBM-NYC), Marcia Carr (Release the
Groove, UK), Rick Salzer (Under Cover Music), Joe
Turri (Sugardish Records), John Alvarado (Decibel
Records) with special guests and performances
Location: Upstairs at Mission , 637 Washington
Time:  11:00 PM -  5:00 AM
Contact: http://www.vybemuzik.com/wmc2k, WMC 2000
badges honored

THE OFFICIAL GOURMET RECORDINGS, REALMUSIC PARTY
SUPPORTED BY AFTERHOURS RECORDS ARTISTS
Performers:  Mazi (Gourmet Recordings, Afterhours,
Subliminal, Guidance, Fiat Lux), Lego (Afterhours,
Puente Music, Fusion Groove, 83 West) performing live:
Ron Carroll (Afterhours, Fiat Lux/Virgin, Sound Men
On Wax), David Harness (Twisted Records/Club Universe
SF/ The End Up SF), Freddie (Real Music/Abstract
Beating System Chicago), Olivier Desmet (Real Music -
San Francisco), Lloyd Alvarez (Velvet Couch/Blue)
Location:  Blue, 222 EspaÒola Way
Time:  9:00 PM
Contact: 305-534-1009, lloyd@velvetcouch.com

"RESPECT - DRUM & BASS" MIAMI
Presented by Junglist Platoon, Cal-Tek Recordings, DJ
Sets.com
Sponsored by Nirve.com, Jnco Clothing, Compound
Records, Beat Non Stop
Performers: G Squad(UK), Machete, Scooba, No-Face,
Clutch, RAW, CRS?, APX-1, E-sassin, Roxanne, Ezra0.5,
Raymond Roker, Hive, Deacon, Star Eyes, Grrl13, Day,
MC?, MC TC Islam, Jamalski, MC Me.
Location: Zanzibar, 615 Washington Ave.
Time:  9:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact:

TECHNO CLUB
Performers: Talla 2XLC, Mario DeBellis, DJ Tandy,
Torsten Stenzel, George Acosta
Location:  Shadow Lounge
Time:
Contact:




SUNDAY, MARCH 26

SUNDAY SHINDING
Presented by Sputnik7.Com And Palm Pictures In
Conjunction With Direction, Bossa Nova  and Guidance
Recordings
Performers:  Jun (Bossa Nova resident DJ), Mocean
Worker (Palm Pictures), Jason Bentley (Bossa Nova
resident), Naomi (Guidance), Supreme Beings of Leisure
(Palm Pictures), David Alvarado (Guidance)
Location:  The Governor, 435 21st Street
Time:  1:00 PM - 7:00 PM
Contact: Kavi Ohri kavi.ohri@virgin-records.com or
Linda Yang linda.yang@sputnik7.com

PHATTRAXX RECORDS AND BPM CULTURE MAGAZINE PRESENT
WMCí2000
Performers: Drs. Of Rhythm & DJ Mykl (phattraxx
records), Olhmar/A. Graham (nice, ny), Terry Lee Brown
jr. (plastic city & driftwood), Hakan Lidbo (fiji
recordings). Rick Salzer (plastic city & fiji
recordings), Timewriter (plastic city, fiji & twisted
recordings), Disko Kidz (soul phusion-teknotik), DJ
Glare (echo, echo)
Location:  The Clevelander Hotel
Time:  1: 00pm - 7:00pm
Contact: melanie@phattraxx.com

SUNSET SOIREE
Presented By:  Kimco, Maxi Records, Giant Step in
association with Release and Yellow Productions
(sponsored by ASCAP, Spin, Quicksilver, and Camel)
Performers: Norman Jay, Gilles Peterson, Ron Trent,
Pete Heller, Julius Papp, Bob Sinclair, and DJ Yellow
Location:  Raleigh Hotel Pool
Time:  6:00 PM - 11:00 PM
Contact: backspinmedia@mindspring.com, $10 donation at
the door all proceeds go to WAR CHILD

ASTRALWERKS WINTER MUSIC CONFERENCE 2000 PARTY
Performers:  Fatboy Slim, Basement Jaxx,  Gearwhore,
Les Rythmes Digitales (live), Micronauts, Q-Burns
Abstract Message, Uberzone (digital mix)
Location:  Level
Time:
Contact: http://www.astralwerks.com

WINTER OASIS - THE 4TH DIMENSION
Presented by URB, Giant Step and E-Music
Performers:  Blackalicious, DJ Craze, A-Trak, Z-Trip,
Roni Size w/ DJ Die, Dynamite MC & Suv, Krust w/ Saul
Williams and Morgan, LTJ Bukem with MC Conrad, s, Kid
Loco, David Holmes, Alex Gopher, DJ Heather, Mark
Farina, Mark Grant, Plus the 2nd Annual URB DJ Mixtape
Winners...
Location:  Groove Jet, 323 23rd Street
Time: 9:00 PM -
Contact: www.winteroasis.com

OVUM RECORDINGS PARTY
Performers:  Front Room:  Josh Wink, Doc Martin, David
Alverado, Mark Bell/Alma Horton/Kathy Sledge (live
PA), Back Room:  Boo Williams, Dego, Pete Moss, King
Britt
Location:  The Living Room
Time:
Contact:

CAELUM
Presented by Safari Media and DJ Magazine, Sponsored
by Playboy
Performers:  Armand Van Helden, Danny Rampling, Markus
Schulz, Andy Hughes, CJ MacIntosh, Stretch and Vern
Location:  Salvation
Time:
Contact: Safari Media @ 877-472-8352

NERVOUS POOLSIDE COCKTAIL PARTY
Performers: DJ "LITTLE LOUIE" VEGA (playing an
Eclectic Lounge Set), Charlotte and Byron Stingily
(live)
Location: The Albion Hotel, 1650 James Ave @ Lincoln
Time: 10:00 PM - 1:00 AM - OPEN BAR  10 -midnight
Contact:

DRUM AND BASS SHOWCASE
Presented by:  Circle Management (USA), DSCI4
Recordings (UK) & Evilbase Recordings (USA)
Sponsored by: Ecko Clothing (USA), Atmosphere Magazine
(UK), Groovetech.com (USA), TheGlassGathering.com
(USA)
Performers: Trace (DSCI4, UK), Ed Rush (Virus, UK),
Optical (Virus, UK), Bad Company (BCR, UK), Fierce
(Prototype, UK), J Majik (Infrared, UK), Adam F (F
Jams, UK), Stakka (Underfire, UK), Skynet (Underfire,
UK), Frenzic (Atmosphere, UK), 48 Sonic (Subtronix,
New Zealand), Element (Evilbase, USA), Mr. Mendez
(Evilbase, USA) with MCís Rymetyme (Virus, DSCI4),
MCMC (Infrared), Gon2far (Evilbase, USA)
Location:  O'Bar , 645 Washington Ave.
Time: 9pm - 5am
Contact:  KGofCircle@aol.com

SYNERGY: THE PARTY
Hosted by Groove Magazine, Main Source, Flex Records,
And Bacardi
Produced by Motion Entertainment, Ruffneck Massive,
and Xylophone Jones.
Performers:  Downstairs: Rush - Terry Mullan - Roy
Davis Jr. - Dj Pierre - Mrs. Honey Dijon - Tommie
Sunshine - Felix Da Housecat - Mark Verbos - Mike
Dearborn - Selway - Echtomorph "Live" - Disco D - Bear
Who? - Charles Little - John Curley - Dayhota -
Superstars Of Love - Zack - Jack Autry "Live" - Josh
Werneer - Birdman - More Tba  Rooftop: Three - Monk -
T Confucious -Hallucination - Garth - Wicked Crew -
Robbie Hardkiss - Sunburn  Loft: Optical - L Double -
Ray Keith - Kenny Ken - Andy C - Bailey - Kontrol -
Simon "Bassline" Smith - Ak1200 - Northernlights - Mc
Verse - Tc Islam - L'eau Natural - Dread - D Rose -
Boon - Racer X - Element - Grumpy - Marco - Kenyata -
Mc Prince
Location: The Mission,  637 Washington Ave.
Time: Free Winter Conference Badge entry will be
honored from 9PM-12AM, Bacardi open bar from 9PM-11PM
Contact:

ETERNITY ALL-STARS NORTH AMERICAN TOUR
Presented by Y2K Entertainment
Performers:  Alchemy (live PA), Nova B, Ralphie C,
Tommie Gunn, Josh Miller, Johnathon Theory, Chris
Savior, Sonic Bee, Jeremiah, Venom
Location:  Club Bardello, 623 Washington
Time:  9:00 PM - 6:00 AM
Contact:

YELLORANGE & BASEMENT BOYS PARTY
Performers: Tony Humphries, teddy Douglas, Spen,
Charisma, DJ Dave.
Location: Bar Room, 320 Lincoln Rd.
Time:
Contact:

NEW YORK INVADES MIAMI
Presented by Soul Con Fusion and Reload Records
Performers: Dove, Allen Jeffrey Experience, Rich
Lamotte, Louie Torres Jr., Aaron Douglas (live)
Location:  Emerald City, Washington and 6th
Time: 9:00 PM - ?
Contact:  212-802-7648, episodea@yahoo.com

TWACKFEST
Presented by Spundae, Balance, Creations, and Global
Underground
Performers: : Sasha and John Digweed, Jimmy Van M,
Jerry Bonham, Quivver, Chris Fortier, Luis Diaz,
Carlos Menendez, Shannon, Danny Bled and more TBA.
Location:  TBA
Time:
Contact: www.Spundae.com or 415 974 9389

A MODERN FAMILY
Presented by i! Records and Distance Music
Performers: Kevin Yost, Sandy Rivera (KOT), Richard
Les Crees, Karl "Tuff Enuff" Brown (TUFFJAM/KISS 100
FM), And a one time exclusive appearance by Todd
Edwards
Location: Goddess, 681 Washington Avenue
Time: 10:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact: for guest list and more info. e-mail:
SpyderNYC@aol.com

THE INFAMOUS NERVOUS AFTERHOURS at DENNY'S
Performers: Presenting the Denny's custom DJ booth
featuring - DJ Disciple (NYC), Lewis Dene (Blues &
Soul), David Waxman (mixer), Michael Paoletta
(Billboard), DJ Paulette (Azuli), Nigel Richards (611)
Location:  Denny's - Collins and 30th - FREE GRAND
SLAM BREAKFASTS - 100 DJ BAG GIVEAWAYS
Time: 4:00 AM - 6:00 AM  (Sunday night/Monday morning)
Contact: Look out for your invites in the mail and at
the Conference




MONDAY, MARCH 27

THE SECOND ANNUAL DIRECTION PARTY
Presented by Direction and sputnik7.com in conjunction
with The Earth Program
Performers: Marlin: Darrell Woodson, DJ Michelle, DJ
V, Deep C,  J-Dub, DJ Heather, Miles Maeda, Mark
Farina, Derrick Carter.  Kent: Dayhota, Tim Baker,
Morcean Worker, Mateo & Matos, DJ Colette, DJ Spinna,
Alex Gopher, Wiseguys
plusÖ a release party and showing of prints from the
book: "Searching for the Perfect Beat: Flyer Designs
of the American Rave Scene"
Locations:  The Marlin and The Kent
Time:  1:00 PM - 8:00 PM
Contact:  toddmetro@aol.com

MASTERS AT WORK 10TH ANNIVERSARY PARTY
Presented by Revolution Magazine
Performers: Masters at Work (Ken Lou), Nuyorican Soul,
DJ Jazzy Jeff, Bebe Winans, Roy Ayers, Gilles
Peterson, others TBA
Location: Amnesia
Time: 1:00 - 9:00 pm
Contact: by invite only;  MAW

SAFARI MEDIA, CLUB FREEDOM, AND PLAYBOY PRESENT: POOL
PARTY
Performers: Joey Negro, Dave Ralph, Nigel Richards,
Tag Team Set by Ali Traxx and Playboy Playmate
Jennifer Rovero, Guy & Lysa Oldham, Mara, Raz, plus
special surprise guests
Location:  The Tides
Time: Noon to 10 p.m.
Contact: Look for your invitation

MIAMI MEETS DETROIT BOAT PARTY
Performers:  Terrence Parker (Intangible , Det.)
(confirmed), "Magic" Juan Atkins  (Metroplex , Det.
(not yet confirmed),  Stacey Pullen ( Black Flag ,
Det.    (not yet confirmed), Nova (Miami), Duncan
(Miami , Fashion TV)
Location:  On a Boat - cruising the outskirts of Miami
Beach  + Free Drinks , Limited Room.......more info
soon.
Time:  2:00 PM - 6:00 PM
Contact:  nova181@aol.com

PHATTRAXX RECORDS WMC ë2000
Performers: DJ BMF (eighth dimensions), Nature Kids
(non babylon records, phattraxx), Mike B. (phattraxx),
DJ Baby Anne (phattraxx, zone, streetbeat), Mike &
Charlie (just funkin records), DJ Dave London & DJ 43
(yesmate, phungus, phattraxx), Mephisto Odyssey
(warner brothers recordings) Live Show!, Kemper
(phattraxx/lunatic lounge), DJ Rob-E (phattraxx),
Prophecy (phattraxx) Live Show!, DJ Si-Dog
(phattraxx), Prizm & Eclipse (phattraxx) Live Show!,
DJ Scream (phattraxx/lunatic lounge), Brent Borel
(phattraxx)
Location: The Clevelander Hotel
Time:  3:00 PM - 2:000 AM
Contact:  melanie@phattraxx.com

URB BOAT PARTY
Performers:  Norman Cook, Paul Oakenfold, Pete Tong
Location:  on a boat
Time:  3:00 PM - 7:00 PM
Contact:  invite only

LEAN BUFFET & FAT TUNES!!!
Presented by: S.F.P. Records, Filtered Records, Deep
touch Records, Soulgroove Records, Asphalt Records,
Manga Beat Records
Performers: Antoine Clamaran, Kluster, Robbie Rivera,
Ariel Baund, Danny "Buddah" Morales, Mike "DaMooch"
Mucci, Eddie X, Luis Diaz, Jason Dunne, Carlos
"Soulman" Fusaro, Dean Coleman, DJ Osheen, Joe
Montana, Brent Laurence, Noel W. Sanger, Hosted by
Pierre Zonzon, Ivano Bellini & Marc Sacheli
Location:  Lemon Twist, 908 71st  Street (4 Blocks
>From The Radisson)
Time:  5:00 PM -
Contact:

KONTOR RECORDS & RADIKAL RECORDS POOLSIDEPARTY
Performers: ATB, Angelmoon Sensational Live Act, Blank
& Jones, Spiller, Gardeweg, Joe T. Vannelli, Woody Van
Eyden, The Shrink, Doctor Olive
Location: Albion Hotel
Time: 7:00 PM to 1:00 AM
Contact: markus.gardeweg@kontorrecords.de &
carsten.ridder@loophh.de

MINISTRY OF SOUND presentsÖ
Performers:  Moby (live), Sandra Collins, Jerry
Bonham, Bent (live)
Location:  Crobar
Time:  10:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact:  hburrows@ministryofsound.com

N'ICE WINTER MUSIC CONFERENCE 2000 EVENT.
Presented by Diesel and Paperecordings in association
with Jockey Slut magazine, Flyer Magazine and Indie
Planet.com
Performers: Main Room: Live P.A. Swayzak--(Swayzak
Recordings U.K.)  DJ's: Miles Hollway--(Paperecordings
U.K.), (Kenney Hawkes--Paperecordings U.K.), a GraM
and Holmar Filipsson--(Diesel/N'ICE NYC).  V.I.P.
Room: Rob Wood--(Jockey Slut U.K.), DJ M3--(Green
Guerilla Recordings San Francisco), Shauna
Slevin--(N'ICE NYC), Jeannie Hopper--(Liquid Sound
Lounge NYC), Brian Carter--(Beatroute--Connecticut)
Location: Goddess, 581 Washington
Time: 10:00 PM -5:00 AM, Open bar from 10-12
compliments of Pommery Champagne and Stoli Vodka
Contact:

STRICTLY RHYTHM PARTY
Presented by Strictly Rhythm and Tommy Hilfiger
Performers:  Live: Barbara Tucker, Darryl D'Bonneau,
Ultra Nate, Duane Harden, Michael Moog.  DJs: Lenny
Fontana, Roger Sanchez, Little Louie Vega
Location: Bar Room, 320 Lincoln Avenue
Time:
Contact:  Strictly97@aol.com

SUBLIMINAL SESSIONS - MIAMI 2000
Presented by Subliminal,  Defected Records, Most
Wanted Entertainment, (Canada), MTV, and DJ magazine.
Performers: Subliminal Room - Erick Morillo, Derrick
Carter, Cassius, Jose Nunez, Harry "Choo-Choo" Romero,
Richard F., Lottie, and performances by Jocelyn Brown,
and Delano.  Defected Room --  Danny Rampling, Eddie
Amador, Bob Sinclair, Knee Deep Brothers, Jazz N
Groove, Seamus Haji, and Paul Jackson.  Most Wanted
Entertainment -Cajmere, Darren Emerson, DJ Hell, Dave
Clarke, Woody McBride and Kenny Glasgow.
Location:  Level
Time:
Contact: amy@aimless1.demon.co.uk

RIOT AT RED SQUARE
Presented  by Planet E Communications & Capulus in
association with Flyer Magazine
Performers:  Carl Craig (Planet E, Detroit - Wmc
Exclusive), Rolando ("Knights Of The Jaguar"; Ur,
Detroit - Wmc Exclusive), Stacey Pullen (Black Flag,
Transmat, Detroit), Common Factor With John Redmond
(Live Performance, Planet E, Chicago - Wmc Exclusive),
Recloose (Live Performance, Planet E Detroit  - Wmc
Exclusive), Glenn Underground (Strictly Jaz Unit,
Chicago), Dego (4 Hero, 2000 Black, Reinforced
Records, London), Gilb'r (Versatile Recordings, Paris
- Wmc Exclusive), Mike 'Agent X' Clark (Planet E,
Detroit), Hannah (Planet E, Detroit - Wmc Exclusive),
Tony Ollivierra (Planet E, Detroit - Wmc Exclusive)
Location:  Red Square, 411 Washington Avenue
Time: 9:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact:  backspinmedia@mindspring.com (press only)

THE FIRST ANNUAL JUNGLE SKY CONFERENCE SHOWCASE
Performers: The Whole Jungle Sky Crew: DJ Soul Slinger
vs.  DJ WAlly w/Supa MC TC Izlam, DJ del Mar, DJ
Doomer, Yellow Note Live PA's From:  Lloop of
WEtm,Tube, Supersoul Plus Special Guests: Panacea
Germany  Position Chrome, DJ Singe & MC Verb  NYC
Soundlab, DJ Swingsett   NYC Ism Records/Testpress
Sundays/Prohibited Beats, DJ Rai  NYC  Vampyros Lesbos
(spinning an extra-special porno funk set)
Location: Emerald City - 609 Washington Ave - Miami
Beach, FL
Time:  10:00 PM until 5:00 AM
Contact: dug @ bestweb.net, or go to
liquidskymusic.com for more information.

MFPR, UK'S SLEAZE NATION MAGAZINE, SCHEMATIC, WARP,
COMPANY FLOW & CHOCOLATE INDUSTRY PRESENTS
Performers: Richard Devine, Phoenicia, Otto
VonSchirach, Push Button Objects, DJ Craze, Salim
Rifiq, While, Mr. Lif, Shon Dervis & Mike Ladd
Location:  The Marlin
Time: 11:00 PM - 4:00 AM
Contact:  MFPRnews@aol.com

"SHINE YOUR SOUL" PARTY WMC 2000 EDITION
Presented by Purple Music Inc & Soulshine Recordings
Performers: Jamie Lewis (Purple Music inc, Swiss),
Louis Benedetti (SoulShine Recordings, US), The
Slammin Boys (Galaxy 102 FM, UK) & Special Guest
Appearance by one of House Music Pioneers and Two Time
Grammy Nominee: Steve "Silk" Hurley, Purple Music's
Sabrynaah Pope (live), and SoulShine's Andricka Hall
(live)
Location: V Lounge, 737 Washington Ave.
Time: Doors Open at 10PM, Open Bar 10PM-12AM
Contact: Hot Line 305.573.0760, VIP Reservation
305.674.0048
For more info, guest list and updates just click
below:
http://www.evite.com/PurpleMusic@djservice.ch/WMC2000

WORLD OF DRUM'N'BASS PART II
Sponsored by Formation Records
Performers:  Grooverider, Fabio, SS, Shy FX, DJ Rap,
Brian G., JJ Frost, Kenny Ken, Aphrodite, Ray Keith,
Roni Size, Ed Rush, Optical, Matrix, Bassline Smith,
WishFM, Alamo, Freaky Flow, APB, Beat Camp Crew,
Siren, Sage
Location: Salvation
Time:  10:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact: pushpress@earthlink.net (press only)

STUDIO K7, COMPOST RECORDS, REVOLUTION MAGAZINE, AND
SOUNDBREAK.COM PRESENTS:
Performers: Kruder & Dorfmeister, A Guy Called Gerald
live w/Kier and
Louise Rhodes, The Smith and Mighty Soundsystem,
Stereo MC's, Terranova, Rainer Truby, Jazzanova,
Beanfield, Fauna Flash.
Location:  Groove Jet
Time:  9:30 PM - 6:00 AM
Contact: backspinmedia@mindspring.com,
mike@studio-k7.com

SPUNDAE VS. CREAM
Performers: Seb Fontaine, Guy Ornadell, BT (live),
Hybrid (live), DJ Dan, George Acosta, Taj, Michael
Anthony
Location: Shadow Lounge, 1532 Washington Avenue
Time:
Contact: 305 531 9411 / www.shadowlounge.com /
www.spundae.com

ALA CASA
Presented by Coast II Coast Entertainment, BTM
Productions, and Liquid Adrenaline
Performers:  Paul Johnson, Stacey Pullen, Roy Davis
JR., Joey Beltram, Scott Hardkiss, Robbie Hardkiss,
Gavin Hardkiss, Junior Sanchez, Felix da Housecat,
Johnny Fiasco, Jim Masters, Hatiras, Carlos, Phantasm
Location:  Bash, 655 Washington Avenue
Time: 10:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact:

DEEP, NAKED HULA PARTY
Performers: Marques Wyatt, Mark Farina, Joshua (Iz),
Rasoul, Miguel Migs, Andrew Macari, Attaboy (Paul
Ingall & Alec Greenhough), Swag (Chris Duckenfield)
And Pete Adarkwah.
Location:
Time:
Contact: HulaGrooveGirl@aol.com

AM SESSION
Presented by AM Only
Performers: Carl Cox, DJ Dan, Bad Boy Bill, John
Acquaviva, Terry Francis, Simply Jeff, Adam Freeland,
Scott Henry, Donald Glaude, Terry Mullan, DJ Feelgood,
Scott Hardkiss, DB, Dara, Dieselboy, Barry Weaver,
Nigel Richards, Eric Davenport, Justin Nichols, DJ
Lars, Knowel
Location: The Mission (637 Washington)
Time: 9pm till 5am
Contact: 305-270-3324

Event:
Performers:  Chris Udoh (Wamdue Kids, Red Melon,
Worship, Sounds and Color), Deep C (Wamdue Kids),
Vikter Duplaix  (Magnetek Music, MAW, Ovum, Groove
Attack)
Location:  Blue
Time:
Contact:

STAY TUNED PARTY
Performers:  Danny Teneglia plus surprise guests
Location:  Space
Time:  11:00 PM - 7:00 AM
Contact:  formulapr@earthlink.net (press only)

WALL OF SOUND - BERMUDA TRIANGLE TOUR (TBC)
Performers:  Junior Cartier (Jon Carter) of Monkey
Mafia, Pour Hommes (Jacques) of LRD
Location:
Time:
Contact:  formulapr@earthlink.net (press only)

SUITE DREAMS
Presented by Dream Music in conjunction with Safari
Media.
Performers: Monday Night/Tuesday Morning: Lenny B
(X-Mix, Atlanta) (2-3:30), CL McSpadden (Limbo/UG,
Phoenix) (3:30-5), Markus Schulz (Plastik/Safari,
Phoenix) (5-6:30), Robert Oleysyck (Utopia, Las Vegas)
(6:30-8)
Location: Tides Hotel Penthouse, 1200 Ocean Dr, Look
for the "Firefly" Penthouse.
Time:  2:00 AM - 8:00 AM - After-hours - Jam in the
living room, chat at the bar, or relax in the
balcony's jacuzzi
Contact: www.azraves.org/dream, WMC Badge Holders
Only.




TUESDAY, MARCH 28

BREAKDOWN
Presented by Sputnik7.Com In Conjunction With Palm
Pictures And Direction
Performers: Empress (sputnik7.com), Tinfed (Third Rail
Records), Raymond Roker (URB), Dieselboy (Palm
Pictures), Aphrodite (V2), DJ Suv of Reprazent
Location:  The Marlin
Time:  1:00 PM - 7:00 PM
Contact:

BEATS BY THE BEACH WMC 2000
Presented by Tour DE Force Miami -Rewind Records
Atlanta- Funky Soul Rebels Brooklyn
Performers: Chris Udoh, Deep C, DJ Garth
Location: South Point Park, South Beach
Time:
Contact:

V2 POOL PARTY
Sponsored by Flyer
Performers:  Alex Gopher, Aphrodite, Dominique &
Geoffe (V2 staff)
Location: Astor Hotel, 956 Washington @ 11th Street
Time: 6:00 PM - 9:00 PM
Contact:  roberta.moore@v2music.com   212-320-8503

TALKIN' LOUD RECORDS PARTY - TALKIN' MIAMI 2000
Presented by:  Kimco, The Living Room, Tanquerary 10,
and Talkin' Loud
Performers: Gilles Peterson, Paul Martin, MJ Cole, Raw
Deal, Peter Kruder, and surprise guests
Location:  The Living Room
Time:  9:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact:

MAGIC SESSIONS 10TH ANNIVERSARY
Performers:  Little Louie Vega, Tony Humphries, Tedd
Patterson, and the return of Todd Terry.
Location: Bar Room, 320 Lincoln Rd.
Time:
Contact:

IN-TEC RECORDS PARTY / TWILO PARTY
Sponsored by Paper Magazine
Performers: Carl Cox, Trevor Rockliffe, Christian
Smith, C1, Sasha & Digweed, Jim Masters, Jimmy Van M,
Louis Diaz
Location: Crobar
Time:
Contact:  pushpress@earthlink.net (press only)

XLR8R MAGAZINE PARTY
Performers:
Location: The Clevelander Hotel
Time:  3:00 PM - 3:00 AM
Contact:

OM RECORDS PARTY
Performers: Mark Farina, Marques Wyatt, John Howard,
Ming & FS, Afro-Mystik, PimpRekker, and JBoogie's
Dubtronic Science
Location: Lola's, 247 23rd St. (23rd @ Collins)
Time: 10:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact: www.om-records.com  - free to WMC badge
holders/$10 @ the door

THE LOOP
Presented by B3Cande procuctions(L.A.) and
WWW.RAVEWORLD.NET in association with Tight artist
mgt.(N.Y.) and Wax records(L.A.)
Performers: MAIN ROOM: Armand Van Helden, Dj Sneak,
Roger Sanchez, Junior Sanchez, Doc Martin.  SECOND
ROOM: Richie Hawtin (decks,effects,and 909) 2
hour-set, Jon Acquaviva, Dj Pierre, Dj Three, Dj
Emily, Steve Loria.   THIRD ROOM: Rhythm
Masters(U.K.), Roy Davis Jr., Wally Callerio, Doc
Martin and a very special guest from Detroit peforming
live!!!! announced night of.......
Location: Level
Time:  10:00 PM - 5:00 AM
Contact:  b3brett@socal.rr.com

PERFECTO PARTY
Performers: Dave Ralph and Paul Oakenfold
Location:  Shadow Lounge
Time:
Contact:  pushpress@earthlink.net (press only)

UNITED STATES OF DRUM'N'BASS
Hosted by Formation Records/Groundscore/Tha Pride Mag
Performers: Grooverider, SS & MC Warren G, Dieselboy,
Dara,
E-Sassin, UFO! & Abstract, Phantom 45, Kaos & Method
One, Sage, Slant & Stress, Siren, BMC & MC Gremlin,
Karl K, Roy Dank & Blueline, Sine, Empress, Element,
Marco & Tea Farmer, Hive & Daddy Kev , Scuba, Subflow
& MC ME, Felix the Dog, Craze ('98/'99 World DMC
Champ), Infamous ('99 World ITF Team Champ) plus MCs:
DUH, Dub2, MC ?
Location: The Mission, 637 Washington Ave
Time: 10:00 PM -5:00 AM
Contact: dmarie@groundscore.net

PANHANDLE RECORDS/SEASONS RECORDINGS PARTY
complimentary OPEN bar 9-10 pm for all WMC Badge
Holders
Performers: Luke Solomon . (Panhandle/Seasons/Music
For Freaks), Chris Duckenfield (.Seasons/SWAG), Joshua
aka IZ (Panhandle/Global Communications), JonÈnÈ
(Panhandle/ESDJCO/Stompy Hi-Fi), Jamie Thinnes
(Seasons), Tony Senghore (Panhandle/Gung Ele Gung).
Fred Everything (Seasons), Dino & Terry (Seasons), JT
Donaldson (Panhandle/Seasons/Cyclo), Lance
DeSardi(Panhandle/Seasons), Eliga Mayhew(Panhandle),
Ra Sou(Panhandle/Large), Wally Callerio
(Panhandle/Dufflebag), Russell Vargas(Release), Dean
Decosta(Mosiac/Seasons)
Location:  Goddess, 681 Washington Ave.
Time: 10 pm-5 am
Contact: 305 534 7614 / www.panhandlerecords.com /
pushpress@earthlink.net (press only)

DITHER
Presented By Etihad With Promotional Support By Hidden
Agenda And Esther Yoon
Performers: E.B.E(Soma/ Plastic City / Jump/ Champion
Sound), Disco D (Gti Recordings), Ush Button Objects
(Skam/ Warp), Terrence Parker (Intangible Records),
Jun (Unoja Hi-Fi/ Soma), Stewart Walker(Tresor), Singe
& Verb(Soundlab), Dietrich(Hidden Agenda/ Formerly
Prototype 909), Adam X(Sonic Groove Records), Red Sea
& Tamber(Etihad/ Struckstaff Studios),
Grumpy(Grumptronix/ Erotic City Communications),
Macroporno(Ha!)
Location: O'


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>Subject: 2000 IN DETROIT
>Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:46:52 -0500
>From: PLANET E HQ <planete@mich.com>
>Reply-To: planete@mich.com
>Organization: Planet E Comm. Inc.
>To: p e news <planete@mich.com>
>
>FIRST FREE US ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL
>SCHEDULED FOR SPRING 2000 IN DETROIT.
>
>Detroit electronic music producer and Planet E Communications labelowner=20
>Carl Craig, joins forces with Pop Culture Media (the company that has been=20
>instrumental in shaping the award winning Montreux-Detroit Jazz Festival)=20
>to present the world's largest FREE electronic music event in the city=20
>where the music was revolutionized.
>
>The festival will feature more than 50 electronic music acts and dj=92s fro=
m=20
>Detroit and around the world and will take place in Hart Plaza (Riverfront=20
>area, home of the Ford Detroit-Montreux Jazz Festival), running from 12=20
>p.m. to 12 a.m. on May 27, 28 and 29, 2000.  (This Memorial Day weekend).
>
>"I believe that there's more validity to do a festival like this with the=20
>rise of the Chemical Brothers and the popularity of electronic music in=20
>America... now is the best time." Craig told Real Detroit Weekly reporter=20
>Josh Glazer in an exclusive interview with the Planet E CEO and Carol=20
>Marvin, President of Pop Culture Media last weekend. (for the full breaking=
=20
>story check out www.getrealdetroit.com)
>
>"That's wonderful," enthuses Marvin  "The music itself has matured in the=20
>U.S. to the point where it will attract the audience that a festival=20
>demands."  "We have been working on this project for two years in absolute=20
>secrecy" says Craig. As a musician, producer and label owner, Craig has=20
>established himself above even Detroit's most revered techno musicians as=20
>an artist with a holistic vision for the music.  Marvin has proven herself=20
>as an unmatched marketer/producer who has helped lead her other major=20
>client, the Ford Detroit-Montreux Jazz Festival, to become the recipient of=
=20
>1998's U.S. Music Event of the Year award.
>
>"The major focus for me is to spotlight the Detroit talent that is known=20
>worldwide and to give an idea that Detroit has been a breeding ground for=20
>this music over the last 10 years. It's important not only to make the=20
>world see but to make the people of Detroit aware.... I feel that the=20
>diversity of the people this event could draw will help expand the cultural=
=20
>diversity within Detroit," enthuses Craig. "Different cultures coming to=20
>this city that don't usually get together. I want to give them a common=20
>ground in Detroit. It's very rare to see people coming from other places to=
=20
>Detroit to have a good time. That's not something you see in Detroit at a=20
>large scale. We don't have the melting pot like New York has or Chicago or=20
>San Francisco. I think that this can help to develop the image that people=20
>have of Detroit."
>
>As for the impact the festival has, Marvin relays the story of the one slip=
=20
>in the secrecy veil that has shrouded this project until now. "As we were=20
>finalizing this event, I told a kid in the coffeehouse that I frequent. He=20
>was speechless. He said, 'I can't believe that this is happening in my=20
>town.' That's what it's all about, that there is finally something in=20
>Detroit that we can point to and say, This is who we are that matters in=20
>the big picture. It's a contribution that we're making and now we're going=20
>to celebrate it."
>
>For more information regarding the Detroit Electronic Music Festival,=20
>including sponsorship and performing artist opportunities, please contact=20
>Pop Culture Media at (734) 459-4880. A website will be launched for the=20
>event in early January, 2000. Check it out after 1/1/2000 at=20
>www.electronicmusicfest.com All proceeds will benefit the Detroit=20
>department of recreation and its Be A Partner Children's program. Stay=20
>tuned=85
>



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March 17th:  BHP + Trancended; Once Again it's On
Legal Alien, Whistleboi, Melody, Trancender, Dianna, Interzone
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May 5th:  Tang; El Ritmo De Verdad=20
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I *heart* sasha and digweed!

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it's been awhile since i wrote anything to the list... much less anything
serious.

i hope i still know how... i haven't ridden a bike in awhile either.

this whole steviet thing has gotten to the point where it's going to take
real effort from everyone involved to keep it from destroying this list.
many aspects of the list that i love have simply gone away because of
him... but at the same time, he's pushing the limits of what mw-raves is,
and in an odd way, i respect that.

but the thing is, you can only push limits so far until you start walking
in circles... aimlessly... without a real point.  i think that's what's
starting to happen here.   it's a vicious circle, that i'd like to break
free from (yeah, we know, stevie... it's also the name of one of sho's
mixtapes... speaking of, anyone have a tracklist for it that they can send
me?)

with that in mind, i'm not sure what i could suggest.  through all this, i
still don't think removing stevie from the list is the best option.  the
best option in my opinion is for you all to rise above whatever's going
on.  you'd have to determine the best way for you to do that... some of
you have gotten quite creative in your attempts to find a solution.  i
just ask that when doing what's best for you, you also try to keep in mind
what's best for mw-raves and, odd as it may sound, what's best for stevie.
some of you don't care... and that's your problem.

as much as i try not to take things so seriously it hurts a little bit
when mw-raves becomes a constant punchline.  it hurts when people stop
getting anything out of the time they spend reading what comes across this
list...  and it really hurts when people i love and respect leave because
mw-raves is no longer worth their time.  

since i've stopped posting for awhile and actually got out to meet a lot
of the people on the list, i've noticed that mw-raves still does somewhat
carry the spirit of a family.  i think that feeling has grown stronger in
some ways... or maybe it was always there and i just didn't notice it too
much.  in any case, i think that's cool that that can still be there on a
mailing list with 620+ subscribers.  (yes, that many :/ ) 

this list is really something special, and i'd hate to see it simply go
away because we, collectively, let things get too out of hand.  time to
stop pointing fingers, kids, and take a bit of responsibility yourself.  
i really hope this hasn't fallen on deaf ears.  believe me, i'm always
looking for things that i can do to make this a better environment.  but
the things i can do are rather limited, and after exploring quite a few
different options, i still think the best bet is to leave it up to you.

in the near future, i'm going to be unsubbing everyone for a weekend,
organizing everything so that i'll be better able to keep up with my
responsibilities, then asking everyone to resubscribe themselves.  this
will probably happen the weekend of march 24th, but i'll post again closer
to the time that it will happen.

also, a netparty is in the works most likely during the month of may...
it's going to be at nick's house, but we're gonna need tapes and whatnot
to figure out who will provide music.  the project is a baby right now, as
i need to move to detroit shortly and that's got priority.  but we'll let
you know as things get more solid :)

i also plan to work some more on the mw website... the new page finally
has a link from hyperreal's main page, but ed luna's old design needs to
be archived. it's just a matter of me sitting down in this really comfy
chair in front of my computer and getting to it.  perhaps my computer
chair won't be so comfy after i move and i'll be more in the mindset to
get shit done. 

anyways, that's the long and short of what's on my mind.  
have a wonderful afternoon.

love,
chad



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In a message dated 3/15/0 5:40:10 PM, t wrote:

<<ever read the story of how brian behlendorf (the creator
of hyperreal.org) met his wife?...he was from the west,
she was from the east...their flame wars were infamous
...they met & got married>>

and his wife?...the OG NE-Raves head that wrote  "PLUR, the 
Pillars of Rave" on the hyperreal web page under Rave Spirit

next time, please *recognize* the *creators*...


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>>anything good?

Attack of the Fluro Sundress
3/18/00
9pm-9am

Featuring:

DJ Storm
Boppity
Kaiser Soze
Tad
Mystery DJ

Live Acts by:

Jen Sixtybus
PJ Huck and the Banshee
Thlayli

Deco by Gor

If his visa clears in time, I'll be bringing the Mongolian throat singer.

Think around Gary, IN and you'll be warm.  ;)

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>
>anything good?
>

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> anything good?

    Apparently not, I've had a few folks from chicago say there's comin'
down here for lil' ol' Murphy's Law! =]

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 22:59:13 2000
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I never heard of any of these DJs.  
Is this some free event or something?
-H

> >>anything good?
> 
> Attack of the Fluro Sundress
> 3/18/00
> 9pm-9am
> 
> Featuring:
> 
> DJ Storm
> Boppity
> Kaiser Soze
> Tad
> Mystery DJ
> 
> Live Acts by:
> 
> Jen Sixtybus
> PJ Huck and the Banshee
> Thlayli
> 
> Deco by Gor
> 
> If his visa clears in time, I'll be bringing the Mongolian throat singer.
> 
> Think around Gary, IN and you'll be warm.  ;)
> 
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my mom joined it.... hehe :)

<< Seriously, though, what the hell happened to the rave scene? >>

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 15 23:11:48 2000
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I'll be in madison this weekend.. but check out dj skip's party 'Hey Hey
Hey' on
april 29th in Chicago and our (Full Spectrum, Blink & Yellow No. 13) party
Samsara - The Intimate Session, May 13th in Chicago.  flyers are on the
street.

-gruve

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 01:14:30 2000
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So how many times do you think you could mispell "Sasha" in one paragraph?  
I just can't wait to see Sash and Dugwed!

>From: Papa Bear <papabear1112@netscape.net>
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>Date: 15 Mar 00 13:49:41 PST
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>In case anyone hasn't checked out the e-flier for
>Liquified Universe PLEASE DO!!!!!!!!
>Many of us are avoiding the Indy scene right
>now because of what it has become......A HASSLE!
>So instead of getting out our flashlights on April 1st,
>we'll be getting in our caravans and driving to ATLANTA...
>(Sorry Kevin and Jason, nothing personal, I DO want
>to see Nostalgic, but look at the alternative!)
>The main room is where we will be from 10-8a.m.!!!
>Monk, Rabbit in the Moon, and SIX hours of Sash and Dig!!!
>
>Check it out at www.liquified.com !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Subject: [mw] Fw: 513 (CINCINNATI) AREA EVENTS SPRING 2000
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heres the scoop on events in this area...if you are a promoter (here) and
need to add anything contact me and ill add you to the list...

> MARCH 16, 2000
> LIFT-CINCINNATI
> 513.648.9647
> 513.665.9999
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MARCH 17, 2000
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> MARCH 17, 2000
> SEQUENCE 2.0-CINCINNATI
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am i the only one that finds it... ironic (bad/stupid/ your choice of 
adjective) that the people doing this lil electronic festival are from the 
POP CULTURE MEDIA? hmmm...

sarah.

<< >"I believe that there's more validity to do a festival like this with the 
 >rise of the Chemical Brothers and the popularity of electronic music in 
 >America... now is the best time." Craig told Real Detroit Weekly reporter 
 >Josh Glazer in an exclusive interview with the Planet E CEO and Carol 
 >Marvin, President of Pop Culture Media >>

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Subsonik presents sequence ver. 2.0

Friday March 17th, Cincinnati

An all night electronic music event. Admission is only $5 beofre midnight.

featuring performances by:

Perry 'Paris' Ellis - 3 to 5, Dirty Loop, Skydata - Cincinnati
Melloman - cbs - Cincinnati
Mike Donovan - The Bounce Theory - Dayton
Seth Clark - Evolution - Lousville
Adam Jensen - Subsonik - Cincinnati
React - Subsonik - Cincinnati
Headstrong - Ruffdrapht, Subsonik - Cincinnati
Spahn - Subsonik, Ruffdrapht, Cincinnati

this event will go from 10pm - 6am. There will be bangin' sound and
minimal lighting in an underground environment.

admission is only $5 before midnight.
thanks to everyone for their support!

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Nick Hadaway wrote:

> > people started calling it a "scene"...
>
> Oh my god... I love you.
>
> There is the Linux community and the Rave scene... if it can become the
> rave community again... then MAYBE... MAYBE... it will get better.

I recall.. I forget who it was... one of the major intellectuals of the
60s counterculture commented that "as soon as you give something
a name, you kill it."  He was referring to the 'hippie' culture, but
I think it applies equally here.

Another important observation is that due to the following
things:

1) The war on drugs making the illegal drug trade very profitable
2) The fact that most of these intensity-experience artistic subcultures
are at least partially based on (usually psychedelic) drug use.

...as soon as any subculture like ours get large enough to
constitute a significant group of 'consumers', it becomes a
target for exploitation.  Naive suburban kids don't realize this,
but there are groups out there (organized crime, gangs,
corporate media companies, etc.) that actively look for new
youth subcultures to exploit for the sale of drugs (in the case
of the illegal ones) and the control of media (in the case of
legal corporations).  For instance, I know that on the East
Coast a group called BTS has evolved that specializes in the
exploitation of the rave scene.  Similar things exist in other
major metropolitan areas.

The rave culture is particularly easy to exploit due to it's
anarchistic nature.  Selling bunk drugs and throwing bunk
parties is very easy to get away with, and the quantity of
money that can be had through these scams is large enough
to attract the attention of organized groups of sociopaths.

"Gee, if I put out a piece of paper with these names on it
and a party name with clever drug references in it, all these
dumb fucked up kids will show up and give me $25 to get
into a warehouse.. and then after I get enough money I can
just call the cops on my own party and leave?  Wow!"

You can easily take in $25,000 dollars in one night by doing
that, not including drug sales.

Not to mention the fact that once a subculture like ours gets
large enough it also becomes a place where people can have
egos and 'status', but I've already spoken enough about that
on here.

Personally I think the chances of recovery at this point are
pretty slim.



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yes.

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> am i the only one that finds it... ironic (bad/stupid/ your choice of
> adjective) that the people doing this lil electronic festival are from the
> POP CULTURE MEDIA? hmmm...
>
> sarah.
>



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In a message dated 3/16/0 12:06:12 AM, phlipper wrote:

<<i remember a while back urb or someone had the history 
of candyravers... here goes the basic idea of it...

in the early days of the LA scene (and america), the main 
hook-ups for ecstacy was gay clubbers... as you prolly all 
know most of the early american ravers came straight from 
the gay club scene and the goth scenes... so the gay clubbers 
with their e, started dressing "candy" because it was 
supposed to show that not only they were children to the 
establishment, but were all about fun, and the drugs were 
like their parents... these were all the gay ravers, (it just so 
happened they were like the only ones who could get 'e' back 
in the day, so that prolly also showed they were dealers too)... 
so now you have gay kids doing drugs all night at illegal 
parties called raves and they dressed like little kids... this 
was much more news-worthy than the majority of the ravers, 
so the "candies" are the ones that were on geraldo and the 
news, so now kids had these perceptions of raves and ravers, 
and soon the majority of the new kids coming in had no 
connection to the candy roots, they just did what they thought 
was supposed to be... when candy kids got out of LA, most had 
no connections at all to the beginnings... this is why most so-
callers hate candy kids, because most of em have no 
connections to the roots, they are mainly just heads doing the 
negative things trying to fit in... also candy ravers is mainly 
a mid-west term, club - kids is the name for em in LA, and in 
san fran. their called party kids... also from my understanding on 
the LA list, candy is for the most part dead there, and their 
getting back to the roots, and the majority are once again gay 
ravers :) thats a good thing, get back to the roots drop the 
negativity...


so in other words, if you arent gay and your not from LA, 
then you shoudn't be candy :)  but i aint mad at ya :> .....


notice i said the candy kids sold 'e', and not 'k','g', 'h', 'c', 'm', 
or anything else... (i hate e too, btw - personal opinion - no flames)>>

close, but not quite...the drug roots and dj culture were
two completely separate entities ever since the very
beginning...

here's the true dilly from the words of the immortal
Frankie Bones from Static#3...

BONES: Well, basically i've been involved in the American
rave scene since it started and it definitly started in LA,
in late '89...they started breaking into warehouses in LA...
all their information came from europeans, mostly english
people, who would go there to visit and tell people about
these massive parties that were going on in england...i was
involved in the summer of love in the tail end of '88 and it
blew up in '89...i was there in august and the first party i
did was called "Energy" and it had 25,000 people at it...this
party was only supposed to have 5,000 people at it!...they
booked me for 5,000 and i remember thinking when i got on
the plane that all i ever wanted to be was the biggest DJ in
NY and 5,000 people would easily overshadow anything that
was going on in NY because the biggest parties in NY at the
time were like 3,000 and they weren't raves - they were 
clubs llke Palladium...i remember when we were driving we
saw parked cars for miles and couldn't even hear the music!
...we could see a light flashing in the distance and there were
cars parked everywhere!...just littered across the countryside!
...i wound up playing to 25,000 people that night and at that
point i didn't know what raving or ecstacy was...anyway, these
people would go to LA and talk about what was going on and i
was in the first wave if parties that happened in LA, i got 
booked from playing in London...when i landed in LA, i wasn't
from NY - i was from london as far as they were concerned...i
lived in London bi-weekly...all the people i was involved with 
in NY would fly over with me like Lenny D and Joey Beltram, 
who were under my wing at the time...they just wanted to go 
overseas to go see it...all i kept talking about was how i wanted 
to do it in america...people in NY would be like "Bones is crazy, 
he's out of his fucking mind...he doesn't realize it's a european 
thing and it'll never happen in america."...i remember going to 
LA and  "Stranger Than Fiction" was the first big party in the 
Shrine Auditorium...Ron D Core was on that bill too...that was 
when i first met Ron...Shrine Auditorium is real glitzy...that's 
where they do the Oscars or Grammys and it really wasn't a rave
...it was a party and the people that were there didn't really 
understand...then we started breaking into warehouses and that
was the vibe...we were in egg warehouse...it was where they
manufactured eggs, and it was abandoned...Ron D Core and it
must've been DJ Dan, but i don't know for sure, had two sets
of turntables like, right up against each other, and each DJ 
would look at each other while they were playing...they were
like, "we call this 2x4!"...i was amazed!...i'd never heard of that
before!...i'm looking around te warehouse and i ask the promotor
"how'd you get this space?" and they were like "we just got a 
lock clipper...we clipped the locks!" (laughs)

STATIC: did it get busted?

BONES: yeah it did actually...i was sitting with Ron showing 
him how to take duct-tape and put it on the center of the 
turntable, lay the record on it, flip the needle upside down, 
pull the weight back, and play the record backward...Ron was 
just amazed by that as i was by the whole 2x4 set-up!...right 
while we're sitting there all buggin' out the cops come in and 
shut it down...i remember leaving there abd tellin those guys 
"i'm going to do this in NY because in NY i got places i can break 
into that cops won't get into," and they were all like "yeah! do 
it! do it! let us know what happens!"...the NY party scene started 
exactly one year after LA...the only thing was LA never had the 
culture with the music...NY always had it...people will say house 
started in chicago, or techno started in detroit, but NY had it all 
along...house is just a variation of NY club music, or disco...the 
same with techno...a lot of techno came out of Planet Rock, which 
was NY bass or electro, so we always  had the music there...we 
started with small techno parties in apartments because i wasn't 
going to break into warehouses right off the bat!...i had to do my 
homework, you know?...a lot of my friends from the UK would 
come over and they would see the potential...i never wanted any
part of drug trafficking or drug trade, but the first E landed in
NY just before the scene got going...they brought it over, like
2000 pills, and they gave 1,000 to the club kids in Manhatten
and gave 1,000 to the Brooklyn kids just to break the scene 
because they wanted to see what would happen...in a matter of
6 months we went from 15 kids in an apartment with a set of
turntables and a strobe light, to 5000 people at Storm Rave, 
we did these parties every week and they kept getting bigger
and bigger....Storm Raves started in a warehouse, well, it wasn't
really a warehouse, it was a warehouse but in the back it was
kind of like a brickyard...i cut a hole in a fence that was by
some railroad tracks, and made people park their cars 6 blocks
away and walk down the tracks with flashlights...i'd have one
guy by the hole in the fence holding a flashlight...we got about
300 people in there...that was an amazing party because we 
didn't even rent a generator...we climbed up a lamp post and
tapped the light for electricity...so 6:30 comes around and the
sun comes up and the sensor shuts the light off and that was it.
we didn't think of that as we were tapping the light!...the next
week we rented a generator and that party went intil about
4:00 in the afternoon...i have tapes of Hardkiss, Doc Martin,
Richie Hawtin, and Josh Wink all playing those parties...people
look at NY and think it's all Bones and Adam X - all hardcore,
but we were down with everybody...it was all about DJ Culture
to me as the rave thing grew, we had some of the best parties,
and when Storm Rave blew up anybody who was there will tell
you there was nothing like it.  LA was getting 10,000 people,
but they were so commercial...our stuff was just raw warehouse
vibe...i had friends handle lights...i had people who invested,
and i had a gangster guy who took care of the mafia because
we'd run into heavy situations with gangsters who thought i
was trying to take over the club scene...

---

and that my kiddies is the whole truth, straight from the
horses mouth!

i thank the hardcore ones that listened and kept the faith
despite all the negative bullshit.

phlipper or trout, please fwd this to pb-cle, so they may
know what's up also...

t

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> can anyone tell me how to sub to the mw-raves calender. i have tried like 4 
> times and i was unsuccessfull every time.
> it sounds easy enough  "subsribe mw-raves calendar"
> but it doesnt work. can anyone tell me what i am doing wrong.

umm...  try spelling it s-u-b-s-c-r-i-b-e


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In a message dated 3/16/0 2:00:46 AM, glowstickchika wrote:

<<am i the only one that finds it... ironic (bad/stupid/ your choice of 
adjective) that the people doing this lil electronic festival are from the 
POP CULTURE MEDIA? hmmm...

sarah.>>

well it is *free* and it was carl craig's personal decision,
so you won't hear me bitchin

but then again this is mw-raves...land o beer & bitches ;)


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I'll be there :)


look for me glued to  a speaker (front left... maybe right if etards are
sitting in front of speakers on the left side.. I'll be dancing) during
RITM amd Sasha & Digweed set :)

http://www.frontiernet.net/~sluck/images/tad&speaker.jpg

Um age that picture like 3 years... and thats me ;P  Minus the Plastikman
hat...(techno is dead).


tad



At 01:49 PM 3/15/00 PST, Papa Bear wrote:
>In case anyone hasn't checked out the e-flier for 
>Liquified Universe PLEASE DO!!!!!!!!
>Many of us are avoiding the Indy scene right
>now because of what it has become......A HASSLE!
>So instead of getting out our flashlights on April 1st,
>we'll be getting in our caravans and driving to ATLANTA...
>(Sorry Kevin and Jason, nothing personal, I DO want
>to see Nostalgic, but look at the alternative!)
>The main room is where we will be from 10-8a.m.!!!
>Monk, Rabbit in the Moon, and SIX hours of Sash and Dig!!!
>
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Seriously...  These guys just never cease to amaze me...  

How can people be this lame?  

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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:42:00 EST
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Subject: [PKU] raver judgement day

From: RaggAdoLL@aol.com

this was written by a guy named mark...
and with hiz permission he iz allowing me to post this on here..
thought it waz kinda cool :)
hiz email address is:  BarnesMJ@mfr.usmc.mil
______________________________________________________

As the Christians of the earth believe in the final judgement of mankind, so do I believe in the Judgement Day of the underground.

I believe there will come a day when each and every raver of the earth shall face their judgement.

Before entering the Golden Gates of Euphoria, each and every raver shall fall to their knees in fear and awe of the uniting Force that is Music.

And the music will ask...

My child did you know me?

Or did you mockingly just recite my lyrics?

And the music will ask...

My child did you dance?

Or were you still as if heavy stones were in your shoes... thus not grooving?

And the music will ask...

My child were you faithful?

Or were you easily swayed into the mainstream river of sin?

And the music will ask...

My child did you support your Dj's whom I sent to show you the way?

Or did you bash their playing with an unclean tongue?

And the music will ask...

My child did your heart pound to my beat?

Or was it slowed by the hate that taints the scene?

And the music will ask...

My child did you use the drugs to uplift me?

Or did you abuse them to the point where you were motionless?

And lastly my child did you love your family as if by blood?

Or did you drown in the drama and cause hurt to your scene?

And the raver shall answer all of the above honestly for the music knows the truth.

And if the answers are the good of the two, the golden gates will open and the eyes will be delighted at the sight of an enormous city with not walls made of stone but towering speakers larger than mountains encrusted with gold and rubies and emeralds, and pounding with a number of watts unthinkable to man.  and the dance floors so inviting as they are made of pearl and call to your feet, and the sound crystal clear as it never stops.

This party never ends as it's attendants never grow tired, and their thirsts are quenched by a cold sparkling river whose water runs free and untainted, and the glowsticks never die as the night sky is always dark with thousands of silver stars and no sun will rise to cancel it in all it's glory.  And the Dj's all wear halos as they bring the music which brings the vibe that fills each raver with peace and love and respect for one another, for those are the elements that make this party eternal.

And all those who fall short of the glory of the music will be sentenced to a vile world, wehre music is no longer heard and people no longer dance.

The Music is my teacher,
The Dj is my preacher,
And Dancing is my prayer.

keep it real,
Mark...

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March 17th:  BHP + Trancended; Once Again it's On
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May 5th:  Tang; El Ritmo De Verdad 
Marty Mcfly (D.O.P.E/Hullabaloo, Toronto ON)
Whistleboi (Funhouse/Dreamteam, Detroit)
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May 26th:  Tang & Flint Town Rollaz;  Square Two
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Bassick, Nic Nac, 00 Riot
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I still find it funny that some organization refers to themselves as "Pop
Culture Media."  Sounds like a bad college band.

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03.18.00 : GET4GETHA [BOULDER, CO]

E23
ELEMENT
CAUSE
IAND
MATTER
SWEEP
WHITSITT
+ MORE TBA

A FREE CELEBRATION OF LIFE, LOVE AND MUSIC

This event is being held in the spirit of the "Get 2 Getha" series which
originated in Chicago, circa 1998.  Three such events were held, each
yielding turnouts of 100+ in attendance.  Most were DJs and internet
nerds with a passion for electronic music.  Masquerading in the form of
an all weekend house party, these events offered people an opportunity
to hear great music and share fun times.  With attendees trekking from
as far as Minneapolis and Louisville, these events were much more than
your average house party.  In salutation and celebration of the great
things in life... we gather in order to share ideas, dance, play, drink,
eat and have a good time,  We invite you to be a part of our
festivities, starting sometime Saturday.  Please check the voice mail
for more information and directions...

ATTENDANCE BY INVITATION ONLY.

Please e-mail me privately for the voice mail number.

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In a message dated 3/16/0 12:06:12 AM, phlipper wrote:

<<notice i said the candy kids sold 'e', and not 'k','g', 'h', 'c', 'm', 
or anything else... (i hate e too, btw - personal opinion - no flames)>>

close, but not quite...the drug roots and dj culture were
two completely separate entities ever since the very
beginning...

here's the true dilly from the words of the immortal
Frankie Bones from Static#3...

BONES: Well, basically i've been involved in the American
rave scene since it started and it definitly started in LA,
in late '89...they started breaking into warehouses in LA...
all their information came from europeans, mostly english
people, who would go there to visit and tell people about
these massive parties that were going on in england...i was
involved in the summer of love in the tail end of '88 and it
blew up in '89...i was there in august and the first party i
did was called "Energy" and it had 25,000 people at it...this
party was only supposed to have 5,000 people at it!...they
booked me for 5,000 and i remember thinking when i got on
the plane that all i ever wanted to be was the biggest DJ in
NY and 5,000 people would easily overshadow anything that
was going on in NY because the biggest parties in NY at the
time were like 3,000 and they weren't raves - they were 
clubs llke Palladium...i remember when we were driving we
saw parked cars for miles and couldn't even hear the music!
...we could see a light flashing in the distance and there were
cars parked everywhere!...just littered across the countryside!
...i wound up playing to 25,000 people that night and at that
point i didn't know what raving or ecstacy was...anyway, these
people would go to LA and talk about what was going on and i
was in the first wave if parties that happened in LA, i got 
booked from playing in London...when i landed in LA, i wasn't
from NY - i was from london as far as they were concerned...i
lived in London bi-weekly...all the people i was involved with 
in NY would fly over with me like Lenny D and Joey Beltram, 
who were under my wing at the time...they just wanted to go 
overseas to go see it...all i kept talking about was how i wanted 
to do it in america...people in NY would be like "Bones is crazy, 
he's out of his fucking mind...he doesn't realize it's a european 
thing and it'll never happen in america."...i remember going to 
LA and  "Stranger Than Fiction" was the first big party in the 
Shrine Auditorium...Ron D Core was on that bill too...that was 
when i first met Ron...Shrine Auditorium is real glitzy...that's 
where they do the Oscars or Grammys and it really wasn't a rave
...it was a party and the people that were there didn't really 
understand...then we started breaking into warehouses and that
was the vibe...we were in egg warehouse...it was where they
manufactured eggs, and it was abandoned...Ron D Core and it
must've been DJ Dan, but i don't know for sure, had two sets
of turntables like, right up against each other, and each DJ 
would look at each other while they were playing...they were
like, "we call this 2x4!"...i was amazed!...i'd never heard of that
before!...i'm looking around te warehouse and i ask the promotor
"how'd you get this space?" and they were like "we just got a 
lock clipper...we clipped the locks!" (laughs)

STATIC: did it get busted?

BONES: yeah it did actually...i was sitting with Ron showing 
him how to take duct-tape and put it on the center of the 
turntable, lay the record on it, flip the needle upside down, 
pull the weight back, and play the record backward...Ron was 
just amazed by that as i was by the whole 2x4 set-up!...right 
while we're sitting there all buggin' out the cops come in and 
shut it down...i remember leaving there abd tellin those guys 
"i'm going to do this in NY because in NY i got places i can break 
into that cops won't get into," and they were all like "yeah! do 
it! do it! let us know what happens!"...the NY party scene started 
exactly one year after LA...the only thing was LA never had the 
culture with the music...NY always had it...people will say house 
started in chicago, or techno started in detroit, but NY had it all 
along...house is just a variation of NY club music, or disco...the 
same with techno...a lot of techno came out of Planet Rock, which 
was NY bass or electro, so we always  had the music there...we 
started with small techno parties in apartments because i wasn't 
going to break into warehouses right off the bat!...i had to do my 
homework, you know?...a lot of my friends from the UK would 
come over and they would see the potential...i never wanted any
part of drug trafficking or drug trade, but the first E landed in
NY just before the scene got going...they brought it over, like
2000 pills, and they gave 1,000 to the club kids in Manhatten
and gave 1,000 to the Brooklyn kids just to break the scene 
because they wanted to see what would happen...in a matter of
6 months we went from 15 kids in an apartment with a set of
turntables and a strobe light, to 5000 people at Storm Rave, 
we did these parties every week and they kept getting bigger
and bigger....Storm Raves started in a warehouse, well, it wasn't
really a warehouse, it was a warehouse but in the back it was
kind of like a brickyard...i cut a hole in a fence that was by
some railroad tracks, and made people park their cars 6 blocks
away and walk down the tracks with flashlights...i'd have one
guy by the hole in the fence holding a flashlight...we got about
300 people in there...that was an amazing party because we 
didn't even rent a generator...we climbed up a lamp post and
tapped the light for electricity...so 6:30 comes around and the
sun comes up and the sensor shuts the light off and that was it.
we didn't think of that as we were tapping the light!...the next
week we rented a generator and that party went intil about
4:00 in the afternoon...i have tapes of Hardkiss, Doc Martin,
Richie Hawtin, and Josh Wink all playing those parties...people
look at NY and think it's all Bones and Adam X - all hardcore,
but we were down with everybody...it was all about DJ Culture
to me as the rave thing grew, we had some of the best parties,
and when Storm Rave blew up anybody who was there will tell
you there was nothing like it.  LA was getting 10,000 people,
but they were so commercial...our stuff was just raw warehouse
vibe...i had friends handle lights...i had people who invested,
and i had a gangster guy who took care of the mafia because
we'd run into heavy situations with gangsters who thought i
was trying to take over the club scene...

---

and that my kiddies is the whole truth, straight from the
horses mouth!

i thank the hardcore ones that listened and kept the faith
despite all the negative bullshit.

stevie t

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I came across this the other day....I think it's pretty tight....

enjoy

http://wannabe.linuxzealot.com/facade/Emusica-Bjork_vs__Depeche_Mode.mp3




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(1) Jason, how do you get the bassstation to constantly accept the external
audio input without using the MIDI signal passing through?
(2) What happens when you reroute the output into the external audio input?
(3)  I'm scared to try 2.
(4)  I just got in a fight with my YamahaDJX, and won with a 1round LCD
Knockout:)




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In a message dated 15/03/00 10:52:50 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
sluck@frontiernet.net writes:

<< and thats me ;P  Minus the Plastikman
 hat...(techno is dead).
 
 
 tad
  >>
techno is dead ?
/me dies and goes to heaven with techno.
AhAHahhaHAHahAHHAhahahahahHAHAHhaHAHAHHAHhahHAhahHAhAHAHaHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA
HAHHAAHhhAhahahAHAHAHahHHAhAhahahahahahahahhaahahahahhahhhaHHHAhAHAH
I think you picked the wrong list to post that to...


ritm needs a new goddamn show.
bunny is just not so cool.
I dono, maybe its cuz I lived in tampa for 2 yrs and they played there like 
every other weekend...
euu.
/me breaks out the "fucktrance" shirt and makes dave christopher wear it.

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What's wrong with posting 'techno is dead' to this
list as opposed to any other mailing list out there.
Hell i've seen a lot stupider posts =)

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> I think you picked the wrong list to post that to...
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"Attitudes are materialistic, positive or frankly realistic
Which is terribly old-fashioned, isn't it? Or isn't it?
     (DJ Culture) Dance with me     
     (DJ Culture) Let's pretend
      Living in a satellite fantasy    
      Waiting for the night to end"

                                      -Pet Shop Boys "DJ Culture" 1991


Oh yeh, Frankie Bones.. An unbiased source if ever there was.. <cough>

I think a case could be made that the more modern form of DJ culture was a by-product of the 70's
disco era, which was obviously pretty intimately entwined with drug culture.. Or you could take
the DJ'ing thing as far back as Jamaican "yard"/dub sound systems, or even farther back to radio
personalities like Wolfman Jack, possibly the first superstar DJ. ;p 

To claim it all started with raves is a little short-sighted. To claim that recreational drug use
is a "separate entity" is questionable as well, even if well-intentioned..

I'm not even going to start on the House/Techno/New York nonsense. :P 

-ted 

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(2) What happens when you reroute the output into the external audio input?

 
   "DANGER! WILL ROBINSON!" <flails arms>

   ::You create a pretty nasty little feedback loop, possibly summoning a shuggoth. 
 
   ::Offer it candyravers and it may do your bidding.

   ::You may wish to put some towels down first.

   ::Banishing it is YOUR problem.
      

                                    -Ted








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Thought some of you might want to see this. Thought others might need to:

;]

-ted

--- DJT1000@aol.com wrote:

> 
> One last thing about the Bloomington/Indianapolis gig, I was very very 
> gratified by the crowd's response. They *really* knew their music ! I'd say 
> 80% of my set is white labels, but the hardcore trainspotters IDed the tunes 
> no problem, while the rest of the room danced their asses off. I haven't had 
> that much crowd response since God knows when. Everything was perfect, 
> sound-wise, and they even had the new Pioneer DJM-600 mixer with filter 
> effects added to the arsenal. Sweet ! With all the hype on the US rave scene 
> going all commercial trance on us, my faith in the Midwest (where it all 
> began) is renewed ! I'm even using exclamation points ! Just last week Mills 
> was asking me the hot spots to play in the US; add Indy to the list. Thanks 
> to everyone involved with "Technophoria", and the kids who came out despite a 
> big snowstorm. 
> 
> a.
> 
> on now: Bowery Electric - Lushlife 
> 
> PS: John Digweed had a blurb in last week's Entertainment Weekly (due to the 
> rave movie, "Groove", that he has a cameo in), another reason to shoot myself.
> 

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oh geez....
not yer gettin me all excited...heh.

=)

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> Thought some of you might want to see this. Thought others might need to:
>
> ;]
>
> -ted
>
> --- DJT1000@aol.com wrote:
>
> >
> > One last thing about the Bloomington/Indianapolis gig, I was very very
> > gratified by the crowd's response. They *really* knew their music ! I'd
say
> > 80% of my set is white labels, but the hardcore trainspotters IDed the
tunes
> > no problem, while the rest of the room danced their asses off. I haven't
had
> > that much crowd response since God knows when. Everything was perfect,
> > sound-wise, and they even had the new Pioneer DJM-600 mixer with filter
> > effects added to the arsenal. Sweet ! With all the hype on the US rave
scene
> > going all commercial trance on us, my faith in the Midwest (where it all
> > began) is renewed ! I'm even using exclamation points ! Just last week
Mills
> > was asking me the hot spots to play in the US; add Indy to the list.
Thanks
> > to everyone involved with "Technophoria", and the kids who came out
despite a
> > big snowstorm.
> >
> > a.
> >
> > on now: Bowery Electric - Lushlife
> >
> > PS: John Digweed had a blurb in last week's Entertainment Weekly (due to
the
> > rave movie, "Groove", that he has a cameo in), another reason to shoot
myself.
> >
>
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jes <jes@pubnix.org> wrote:
> =

> =

> > Then don't go asshole and quit filling my inbox with shit!!!!!
> =

> um, if you dont want your inbox filled with shit then why are you on
> mw-raves?
> =

> /j

Because I'm a promoter and a raver and try to keep informed.
In case you've forgotten mw-raves is for rave related information
and debate, not a place for bored fucks to make silly one-liners
about the STUPIDEST shit!!!!!

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i agree somewhat . . .
when i'm at a party, i can usually have as much fun as i wanna have.  my
contribution to my own experience is by far the largest.  but, if ppl there
aren't into the dancing or the vibe or the community created by us all being
together, then the energy that feeds my happy party experience just isn't
there.  i could rely only on my own personal response for my enjoyment, buy
i choose to feed off group energy.  i mean, if it's not a group vibe i'm
lookin' for, i might as well stay at home at groove all by myself.  i'm a
"group energy" kinda guy, and that's definitely something i look forward to
when i rave.  hey, that's just me :)

peace2u
site

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my whole extremely "smart" view on everything that is related to the
scene...
plur... the "undergroundness" of raves... candyravers.... old skool, new
skool, preskool :) is summed up into this:


The scene is what you make it to be.



thank you.
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"rhiannon thomas" <sistajade@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So how many times do you think you could mispell "Sasha" in one paragra=
ph? =


> I just can't wait to see Sash and Dugwed!

Whenever someone in MY crew refers to SASHA or Digweed,
we affectionetly call them Sash and Dig.

Whenever someone in my crew refers to you,
we affectionetly call you bitch or Wilhelm K's
fat little finger in the Indy market.

Thanks for the spelling lesson queen of catastrophe!!!!!!!!

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techno is not dead.

that's a funny statement.




>From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
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>What's wrong with posting 'techno is dead' to this
>list as opposed to any other mailing list out there.
>Hell i've seen a lot stupider posts =)
>
>misha
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I don't know how much of a secret it is that Indiana has a much more 'rewarding' vibe than certain major 'techno' hotbeds.  I think 'less-hyped' and less corrupt areas usually have a better probability of yielding a rewarding experience, after all its the 'shit' that ends up tainting the whole experience and leaving a taste lurking that you can't wipe from your mouth

For the last six months, I've found myself enjoying the touring experience more (which includes feeling more of a connection with party-goers) just by picking and choosing what I want to play.  This includes researching and developing business relationships with the promoters that I play for.  I mean, someone can say "I'm all about the vibe." and give you an hourlong sales pitch... and you can smell the shit steaming off the shingle... or you can hear through the grapevine that it'd be fun to work with certain promotional engines, and eventually like minds float together.  A DJ seldom realizes that his 'credibility' revolves around not only his business under his own house but who he chooses to represent with... and that case scenario becomes an issue when you 'have' to play out for whatever reason:  pride, money, food, addiction, depression... etcera.

Grassroots opporturnities for the most part have yielded something more than just "Lets go to the hotel, watch shitty t.v. go play for an hour, and go home."  And believe me, when you get into that cycle, when you are playing for people you are literally 'scared' of... and you want to get in and get out moderately unscathed... and then doing that EVERY WEEKEND... it gets old... and it begins to destroy your faith in things.

I think that alot of top rung dj's would find themselves more entertained if they stepped down from the 2000+ venues to the 700-1000 level.  You don't fly first class, you might not even have the greatest hotel in the world, and <gasp> you might actually have to talk to real 'ravers.'  (like you were once.)  But I tell you this much... every gig that i've played in the last six months since adopting this philosophy... I leave feeling that I've at least had fun and accomplished something.

thats payment in and of itself.

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Exactly. Techno is not dead. Trance doesn't suck.
Hawtin is not god. And my mom is not a ho. But does
anyone on this list actually post something somewhat
accurate? Heh no fucking way.

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> techno is not dead.
> 
> that's a funny statement.
> 
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> >What's wrong with posting 'techno is dead' to this
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> >Hell i've seen a lot stupider posts =)
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> In case you've forgotten mw-raves is for rave related information
> and debate, not a place for bored fucks to make silly one-liners
> about the STUPIDEST shit!!!!!

and in case *you've* forgotten, it's rude to post private replies
publically. and you can spare me the name calling please, it's a bit
juvenile (oh wait! we are on mw-raves, never mind!)

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ok so jes posting a personal opinion that 6 hours of sasha and digweed was
her personal hell was unappropriate, but this was....


mmhmm...ok. no, really....did you actually think about that??


no, really

pixie





:"rhiannon thomas" <sistajade@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> So how many times do you think you could mispell "Sasha" in one
paragraph?
:
:> I just can't wait to see Sash and Dugwed!
:
:Whenever someone in MY crew refers to SASHA or Digweed,
:we affectionetly call them Sash and Dig.
:
:Whenever someone in my crew refers to you,
:we affectionetly call you bitch or Wilhelm K's
:fat little finger in the Indy market.
:
:Thanks for the spelling lesson queen of catastrophe!!!!!!!!
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Not sure if any of you have seen this, it's pretty damn old but it's stil=
l
funny as hell...

http://www.adcritic.com/content/cartoon-network-true-wazzup.html


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Entro brings up an interesting point as qouted below..........

I not only judge a dj by his records, mixes, style, and sound; but also
my perceived reason for why he/she does what he/she does.  Does anyone
else think this way?  How important is it to *you* that the
dj's/promoters  heart is in the right place?  Does it matter??   I hope
so.............

Case in point:  the bi-monthly/charity "Delta" event in Madison.  I
immediately respect ANY dj that plays at "Delta" whether I like the music
or not....  I KNOW there's not a lot of material/capital reward for
playing @ Delta....
I know any dj that plays is doing it because that what he/she loves to
do.   I feel as if every dj is there to "share".  A complete give and
take relationship between dancer and dj exists at these events.   I go
home feeling that something was really accomplished.....for a brief
moment all of the "scene" disappears and "it" is stripped down to the
most simplistic building blocks of what we know as "rave".  Dj giving
music to dancer.........dancer giving energy to dj (and a hearty Fuck
Yea! when appropriate) and all is as should be.  True balance is
achieved.

Support Your Grass Roots Rave Culture!!!

OmegaVariant

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 10:46:09 EST Kidentropy@aol.com writes:

> A DJ seldom realizes that 
> his 'credibility' revolves around not only his business under his 
> own house but who he chooses to represent with... and that case 
> scenario becomes an issue when you 'have' to play out for whatever 
> reason:  pride, money, food, addiction, depression... etcera.
> 
> Grassroots opporturnities for the most part have yielded something 
> more than just "Lets go to the hotel, watch shitty t.v. go play for 
> an hour, and go home."  
>
> But I tell you 
> this much... every gig that i've played in the last six months since 
> adopting this philosophy... I leave feeling that I've at least had 
> fun and accomplished something.
> 
> thats payment in and of itself.
> 
> entro

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I started my set with this last weekend. Kids loved
it. I have been sent different variations on it too.

peace,
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> damn old but it's still
> funny as hell...
> 
>
http://www.adcritic.com/content/cartoon-network-true-wazzup.html
> 
> 
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It makes no difference what's going through a performers mind when they play to me.  It's all about the music, and what they are doing.  I could care less what DJ is 'down with the scene' and who's 'in it for the money'.  I don't worry about it.  Do you worry about what movie stars and rock bands think?  Who cares what their personal objectives and motivations are.  If you like what you see and hear that's all that matters.  They just need to be professional.
-H


>Entro brings up an interesting point as qouted >below..........

>I not only judge a dj by his records, mixes, style, >and sound; but also
>my perceived reason for why he/she does what he/she >does.  Does anyone
>else think this way?  How important is it to *you* >that the
>dj's/promoters  heart is in the right place?  Does it >matter??   I hope
>so.............
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Do you seriously think that what's going through a performer's mind has nothing to do with their
performance? If that's the case, I probably wouldn't find either one of interest.

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response follows........

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:24:16 EST RaversBlow@aol.com writes:
> It makes no difference what's going through a performers mind when 
> they play to me.  It's all about the music, and what they are doing. 

But don't you think their attitude, outlook, personal objectives, and
motivation are conveyed through their music.
I guess it gets right down to what you feel a dj's role is.   Is it just 
some guy who gets up and plays rekkids?
Or, is there something beyond the literal/physical sounds that you are
hearing.  Is it possible to convey thoughts, objectives, and feelings
through your music......I think so........

>  I could care less what DJ is 'down with the scene' and who's 'in it 
>  for the money'.  I don't worry about it.  

I don't necessarily worry about it either......I just think it's made
evident by the set that played and the atmosphere that's created.  I
appreciate a more interactive experience between dj and listener.......I
prefer sets that provoke thoughts, feelings, and creativity by what the
dj does with his rekkids.

> Do you worry about what 
> movie stars and rock bands think?  

I don't like most rock bands and movies/movie stars.....probably because
there is an underlying lack of purpose or meaning in *MOST* of those type
of artistic formats (That's just my opinion folks).  Mega-Commercial
movies and rock music reminds me of lifeless plastik shit for the most
part...  (note:  I haven't been exposed to much indepent film.....I fully
realize that film is a very viable form of artisitic impression.  I'm
referring to the "Armegeddon" type "block-buster" movies that litter the
market now a days.  And, when I refer to "rock" music I'm not talking
about bands that use conventional instruments....I'm referring to
VanHalen and the like....ya know..........butt rock.  :)  I love that
term).


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One of my roomates bumps proggy trance in the morning.
Its sooo shitty to wake up to. I woke up to Paul
Okenfold live at creamfields today...ugggh

peace,
Offtrack
 
--- jes <jes@pubnix.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> > and SIX hours of Sash and Dig!!!
> 
> oh wow, you just named my own personal hell.
> 
> /j
> 
> * * *
> 
> and now I exercise the basic law of Bastard
> Operating which roughly says,
> Bastard Operators don't just win. anyone can win.
> Bastard Operators win
> and totally DEMORALISE. that's *real* winning.
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1. Marco Bailey "Invasion Series" [invasion] <--DAMN, ILL
2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
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And what significance did that e-mail have at all? Was
there a real need to post it? We already all know that
trance sucks and techno and hardcore rule. Can we stop
with the idiocy now?

Misha

--- "Stephen Freshnock, Offtrack"
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> 
> One of my roomates bumps proggy trance in the
> morning.
> Its sooo shitty to wake up to. I woke up to Paul
> Okenfold live at creamfields today...ugggh
> 
> peace,
> Offtrack
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go to www.louipimps.com and click on chat to join our little chat this
evening at 10:30pm EST (Thursday night). java required to chat. this good
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>I think you picked the wrong list to post that to...

Checks the header... No this is the right list.  Maybe *you* are subscribed
to the wrong one?

I think your funny.  techno is dead.  I'm sick of everyone and their mother
playing techno.  I'm bored to tears with lifeless souless sets.  As far as
I'm concerned techno is dead nothing new nothing interesting there... its
been beaten to the ground in the past 5 years.   Sure there are still a few
djs that can throw a good set down, but the last time I heard Richie he
bored the living shit out of me... (Engage).  The last good techno set I
heard was Cari lekebusch (sp?) at Shake it.  It was nice it was
different... then everyone and their mother who was already playing techno
started playing swedish techno (or whatever european country it Cari and
Adam are from).  And you know what? it gets fucking old... so old in fact
it is DEAD (IMO) as dead as say rock and roll or classical... to me there
is no innovation there is nothing new nothing exciting when I hear it.  I
used to love djs like: Carl craig, claude young, Heckyll and jeckyl,  Rob
hood; living near columbus and in dayton, I got to hear those guys every
other weekend just about.  Ele mental and the Illuminators were all about
detroit techno and techno in general.  It was fun... but its time to try
something new.   

Florida trance isnt really my thing... but I've yet to catch RITM and
everyone I know.. even those who profess hating trance suggest catching it
at least once.     

I used to feel the same way about house... I thought it was dead
overplayed... then came techno.. now I yearn for good house (luckily its
not that hard to come by).  Maybe someday when promoters lay off techno a
bit, I'll yearn for a good techno set.  What I'd like to hear now is some
good acid... but you cant find that at a club (like house).  OH and of
course I want to hear trance.. but lately that doesn't seem to be a problem
:) and things just seem to be getting better and better :) 

tad


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 19:13:23 2000
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I think most ravers probably feel like RaversBlow do. 
They don't give much thought to motivation behind the
music, but only the music itself.

If, for instance, I got onto the decks and started
spinning latin country 2-step gabber (or whatever)
because I was in a pissy mood, they'd just say that I
suck and move to another room.  Who cares how the DJ
feels as long as he's spinning groovy songs with
style?

On a completely unrelated note, I hate the unwritten
rule that says you have to spin ONE style for an hour
and a half.  I think it would be awesome to see a DJ
who started out with minimal techno, then went to acid
techno, then to trance, then to goa, etc.  Then again,
I'm retarded so it's probably a dumb idea.

--Will

--- Omega Variant <senorlululalo@juno.com> wrote:
> response follows........
> 
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:24:16 EST RaversBlow@aol.com
> writes:
> > It makes no difference what's going through a
> performers mind when 
> > they play to me.  It's all about the music, and
> what they are doing. 
> 
> But don't you think their attitude, outlook,
> personal objectives, and
> motivation are conveyed through their music.
> I guess it gets right down to what you feel a dj's
> role is.   Is it just 
> some guy who gets up and plays rekkids?
> Or, is there something beyond the literal/physical
> sounds that you are
> hearing.  Is it possible to convey thoughts,
> objectives, and feelings
> through your music......I think so........
> 
> >  I could care less what DJ is 'down with the
> scene' and who's 'in it 
> >  for the money'.  I don't worry about it.  
> 
> I don't necessarily worry about it either......I
> just think it's made
> evident by the set that played and the atmosphere
> that's created.  I
> appreciate a more interactive experience between dj
> and listener.......I
> prefer sets that provoke thoughts, feelings, and
> creativity by what the
> dj does with his rekkids.
> 
> > Do you worry about what 
> > movie stars and rock bands think?  
> 
> I don't like most rock bands and movies/movie
> stars.....probably because
> there is an underlying lack of purpose or meaning in
> *MOST* of those type
> of artistic formats (That's just my opinion folks). 
> Mega-Commercial
> movies and rock music reminds me of lifeless plastik
> shit for the most
> part...  (note:  I haven't been exposed to much
> indepent film.....I fully
> realize that film is a very viable form of artisitic
> impression.  I'm
> referring to the "Armegeddon" type "block-buster"
> movies that litter the
> market now a days.  And, when I refer to "rock"
> music I'm not talking
> about bands that use conventional instruments....I'm
> referring to
> VanHalen and the like....ya know..........butt rock.
>  :)  I love that
> term).
> 
> 
> OmegaVariant
>
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#include <techno_revolution.h>
int main()
{
  rock_is_dead();
  return 0;
}

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I was just relaying MY proggy trance hell. I have
sympathy for the kid. Thats all, hit delete next time,
patnah.

peace,
Offtrack

--- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> And what significance did that e-mail have at all?
> Was
> there a real need to post it? We already all know
> that
> trance sucks and techno and hardcore rule. Can we
> stop
> with the idiocy now?
> 
> Misha
> 
> --- "Stephen Freshnock, Offtrack"
> <sfreshnock@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > One of my roomates bumps proggy trance in the
> > morning.
> > Its sooo shitty to wake up to. I woke up to Paul
> > Okenfold live at creamfields today...ugggh
> > 
> > peace,
> > Offtrack
> >  
> 
> 
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1. Marco Bailey "Invasion Series" [invasion] <--DAMN, ILL
2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
5. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
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Techno rules! Trance sucks! I like lemonade!!!

/me runs in circles slapping himself over the head

you don't KNOW for idiocy!!

:P

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who died and made you list cop? 

:And what significance did that e-mail have at all? Was
:there a real need to post it? We already all know that
:trance sucks and techno and hardcore rule. Can we stop
:with the idiocy now?
:
:Misha
:
:--- "Stephen Freshnock, Offtrack"
:<sfreshnock@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> 
:> One of my roomates bumps proggy trance in the
:> morning.
:> Its sooo shitty to wake up to. I woke up to Paul
:> Okenfold live at creamfields today...ugggh
:> 
:> peace,
:> Offtrack
:>  



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 19:19:58 2000
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At 01:24 PM 3/16/00 EST, RaversBlow@aol.com wrote:
>It makes no difference what's going through a performers mind when they
play to me.  It's all about the music, and what they are doing.  I could
care less what DJ is 'down with the scene' and who's 'in it for the money'.
 I don't worry about it.  Do you worry about what movie stars and rock
bands think?  Who cares what their personal objectives and motivations are.
 If you like what you see and hear that's all that matters.  They just need
to be professional.
>-H
>

Lets.... see.  If you have someone there for love of the music, love of
what they are doing I'll bet you there is going to be a real difference.

Promoters that care about the scene and who are throwing parties for the
sake of throwing parties are:  
 1.  going to charge less
 2.  try their best to do things right, even if it puts them out money

and the same is true of performers.

What does that mean for you???

better parties at a better price. 


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 19:24:36 2000
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>But don't you think their attitude, outlook, personal >objectives, and motivation are conveyed through their >music.

Perhaps, but I assure you there are plenty of DJ's who have the greatest most sincere feelings for their music and audience, but still suck.  Personality is no substitute for talent.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 19:26:34 2000
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At 01:54 PM 3/16/00 -0500, Pixie wrote:
>who died and made you list cop? 

Havnt you been following this thread??/ c'mon Amy.  Laura died...
remember?? she wanted to be with techno... please... if your gonna post at
least follow the thread :P


tad




>
>:And what significance did that e-mail have at all? Was
>:there a real need to post it? We already all know that
>:trance sucks and techno and hardcore rule. Can we stop
>:with the idiocy now?
>:
>:Misha
>:
>:--- "Stephen Freshnock, Offtrack"
>:<sfreshnock@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:> 
>:> One of my roomates bumps proggy trance in the
>:> morning.
>:> Its sooo shitty to wake up to. I woke up to Paul
>:> Okenfold live at creamfields today...ugggh
>:> 
>:> peace,
>:> Offtrack
>:>  
>
>
>
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yeah fuck you.

(how's that for a one liner?)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 19:32:27 2000
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atomly wrote:

> Seriously...  These guys just never cease to amaze me...
>
> How can people be this lame?
>
> this was written by a guy named mark...
> and with hiz permission he iz allowing me to post this on here..
> thought it waz kinda cool :)
> hiz email address is:  BarnesMJ@mfr.usmc.mil
> ______________________________________________________
>
> As the Christians of the earth believe in the final judgement of mankind, so do I believe in the Judgement Day of the underground.

Certain frequencies have been taken over by secret societies,
under direction of Lucifer, to mislead innocent party goers...

Do not.. I repeat.. Do not leave the dance floor...



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In a message dated 3/16/0 2:05:25 PM, te_one wrote:

<<Oh yeh, Frankie Bones.. An unbiased source if ever there was.. <cough>

To claim it all started with raves is a little short-sighted. To claim that 
recreational drug use
is a "separate entity" is questionable as well, even if well-intentioned..

I'm not even going to start on the House/Techno/New York nonsense. :P 

-ted 

=====
oo00oOo0Oooo00oOo0ooOoOo0O0oO0o0oO000o0oOoOOoo0o00oOooOooOo>>

dissing bones, claiming drug culture and music culture are not
separate entities, sacreligious!...you must work for that hoar of
babylon!...and why does your sig file remind me of that QiB
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>recreational drug use
>is a "separate entity" is questionable as well, even if well-intentioned..


>dissing bones, claiming drug culture and music culture are not
>separate entities, sacreligious!...you must work for that hoar of


music and drug culture... are not separate entities... no matter how much
you wish it so.  The two are very very intertwined.  You dont need one for
the other but the two are very firmly enmeshed and separating the two will
most likely never happen,  be it, Jazz musicians and weed or acid and well
um ACID house/techno/trance, or whatever.   Anyone ever recall hearing an
album called sheet one?  you going to tell me that isnt a mix of drug and
music culture?  I dare say our culture (term used loosely here meaning the
rave scene) would not exist if it were not for drugs.. be it simply b/c it
never would have financially gotten off the ground (now that is no longer
an issue, but once upon a time, I think it was.), or producers/djs wouldnt
have been inspired to write the music they do now (be it by their direct
use or inspiration in the music of those who did).  Would the rave scene
exist today with out drugs??? Yes, would it be as big? no.  Would it be
better... fuck if I know.  Of course this should go with out saying but I'm
going to mention it, for the anal retentive people on this list.. the afore
mentioned is all merely opinion.


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In a message dated 3/16/0 7:14:19 PM, sluck wrote:

<< but I've yet to catch RITM and everyone I know.. even 
those who profess hating trance suggest catching it
at least once.     >>

agreed, a RITM performance is quintessential for every
true raver...definitly a spiritual experience...

i also implore all to check the original Rabbit and the Moon
Man Native American legend that can be found on the Rainbow
Family of Light web page...www.welcomehome.org (when the
site is up)...



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John 3:16 "For God so loved the world he gave his one and only
Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
eternal life...For God did not send his Son into the world to
condemn the world, but to save the world through him...Whoever
believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe
stands condemned already because he has not believed in the
name of God's one and only Son...This is the verdict: Light has
come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light
because their deeds were evil...Everyone who does evil hates
the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his 
deeds will be exposed...But whoever gives by the truth comes
into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has 
done has been through God."

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*THAT* was fucking creepy!!





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>John 3:16 "For God so loved the world he gave his one and only
>Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
>eternal life...For God did not send his Son into the world to
>condemn the world, but to save the world through him...Whoever
>believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe
>stands condemned already because he has not believed in the
>name of God's one and only Son...This is the verdict: Light has
>come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light
>because their deeds were evil...Everyone who does evil hates
>the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his 
>deeds will be exposed...But whoever gives by the truth comes
>into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has 
>done has been through God."
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["mike @ full spectrum" <djgruve@home.net>]
> supreme carrys all the new stuff
> gramaphone for backstock
> hiphouse has some good stuff
> hotjams sucks for techno


BUT HOT JAMS IS BAD ASS IN ABSOLUTELY EVERY OTHER WAY!!!!


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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> Exactly. Trance doesn't suck.

Hey, I take offense to that.


> And my mom is not a ho. 

That's not what Stevie said.


> But does
> anyone on this list actually post something somewhat
> accurate?

Here, let me try.  Trance sucks.
How's that.


> 
> Misha
> 
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> wrote:
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> > techno is not dead.
> > 
> > that's a funny statement.
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> > 
> > 
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> > >From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
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> > >What's wrong with posting 'techno is dead' to this
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> > >Hell i've seen a lot stupider posts =)
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ok, for forever and a day it has been my understanding
that "raves" started in the states, mainly chicago and
detroit. Recently on stl-raves several people have
been disputing this (one of which most likely knows
what he's talking about). So for the record, can
anyone clear this up for me, did "raves" start in the
states or england.

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England.



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>ok, for forever and a day it has been my understanding
>that "raves" started in the states, mainly chicago and
>detroit. Recently on stl-raves several people have
>been disputing this (one of which most likely knows
>what he's talking about). So for the record, can
>anyone clear this up for me, did "raves" start in the
>states or england.
>
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iraq

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> England.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> >ok, for forever and a day it has been my understanding
> >that "raves" started in the states, mainly chicago and
> >detroit. Recently on stl-raves several people have
> >been disputing this (one of which most likely knows
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Laine <junglejunkey@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ok, for forever and a day it has been my understanding
> that "raves" started in the states, mainly chicago and
> detroit. Recently on stl-raves several people have
> been disputing this (one of which most likely knows
> what he's talking about). So for the record, can
> anyone clear this up for me, did "raves" start in the
> states or england.
> =

> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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England , London to be specific....

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>   ::You create a pretty nasty little feedback loop, possibly summoning a
shuggoth. 

Yeah, but can't you control thefeedback amount with the OSC1 MIX control?

> 
>   ::Offer it candyravers and it may do your bidding.
>

Hmmm...

>   ::You may wish to put some towels down first.
>
>   ::Banishing it is YOUR problem.


I know I know.
Mom told me the same thing about that Satanism class I was teachin in the
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>>So for the record, can
>> anyone clear this up for me, did "raves" start in the
>> states or england.
>> 
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>England , London to be specific....
>
>Papabear




Manchester....to be specific.







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Raves started in England.

In a nutshell, due to pioneering efforts by Frankie Bones (in the east 
coast) and Juan Atkins in the midwest (among others), US DJ's saw the 
partying happening in england and started to mimick the scene over here.

It is NOT an american phenomena.

Read the book "Generation Ecstasy" by Simon Reynolds it gives a great and 
accurate history of the the entire rave culture.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316741116/o/qid=953241223/sr=8-2/104-9900505-1316423

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At 04:22 PM 3/16/00 -0500, Derek Plaslaiko wrote:
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>>>So for the record, can
>>> anyone clear this up for me, did "raves" start in the
>>> states or england.
>>> 
>>> =====
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>>England , London to be specific....
>>
>>Papabear
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>Manchester....to be specific.
>


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> ok, for forever and a day it has been my understanding
> that "raves" started in the states, mainly chicago and
> detroit. Recently on stl-raves several people have
> been disputing this (one of which most likely knows
> what he's talking about). So for the record, can
> anyone clear this up for me, did "raves" start in the
> states or england.
> 
> =====
> www.boogieknights.net
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>> But does
>> anyone on this list actually post something somewhat
>> accurate?
>
>Here, let me try.  Trance sucks.
>How's that.
>


Um once again lets post something accurate...  that is not accurate.

This is:

Techno is dead.

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HA!

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Laine wrote:

> ok, for forever and a day it has been my understanding
> that "raves" started in the states, mainly chicago and
> detroit. Recently on stl-raves several people have
> been disputing this (one of which most likely knows
> what he's talking about). So for the record, can
> anyone clear this up for me, did "raves" start in the
> states or england.

it's a little known fact that the rave scene *actually* started only a
few months ago on #mw.raves. 

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AFRICA!!!!!!

I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
Only they did not use turn tables and records..
They made their own techno using their own man made drums and chimes and 
voices.
Night time rituals and circles.. created their own "rave" in a sense.

Just my opinion...

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Sorry no good...the question was ...where did RAVES
come from..not techno. And last I checked, techno was
dead and even when it wasn's dead it wasn't the only
thing making up a concept of "rave". Also. It could be
tribal house or tribal trance or tribal anything else
as much as tribal techno. Does anything that was ever
done in the past and was cool have to have 'techno'
attached to it? This is getting not just stupid but
absurd.

Misha

--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> AFRICA!!!!!!
> 
> I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
> Only they did not use turn tables and records..
> They made their own techno using their own man made
> drums and chimes and 
> voices.
> Night time rituals and circles.. created their own
> "rave" in a sense.
> 
> Just my opinion...
> 
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RaversBlow@aol.com wrote:
> It makes no difference what's going through a performers mind when they=
 play
to me.  It's all about the music, and what they are doing.  I could care =
less
what DJ is 'down with the scene' and who's 'in it for the money'.  I don'=
t
worry about it.  Do you worry about what movie stars and rock bands think=
? =

Who cares what their personal objectives and motivations are.  If you lik=
e
what you see and hear that's all that matters.  They just need to be
professional.
> -H
> =

> =

> >Entro brings up an interesting point as qouted >below..........
> =

> >I not only judge a dj by his records, mixes, style, >and sound; but al=
so
> >my perceived reason for why he/she does what he/she >does.  Does anyon=
e
> >else think this way?  How important is it to *you* >that the
> >dj's/promoters  heart is in the right place?  Does it >matter??   I ho=
pe
> >so.............

I'm with Entro as well!!!!!  Look at how many parties have happened
in INDY in the last several months......
Now look at how many promoters/D.J.'s are doing it for the RIGHT =

reasons... MOST of them ARE doing it for the $$$$$$$$..... =

Straight out!!!!! =


How many of those same promoters have done something CHARITABLE
in conjunction with their events?????  Knock $5 off if you bring =

a toy for a needy kid ring a bell?  That was me! That was my idea,
NOT ANYONE ELSE involved......7- 35 gallon trash bags that gave
literally HUNDREDS of kids at least ONE extra toy to make them happy.

And you know what, throw some damn good D.J.'s on top of it,
mix it with some of the best ravers out there and you had =

ONE HELL OF A VIBE!!!!!!!! ( It was called NU SKOOL SCIENCE,
in case you missed it)

Next time you go to a party, when you get to the door, tell
them your a little short or you have NO $$$$ at all....
You'll find out quickly enough what their motivations are!!!!!


But that's just my OPINION, you gotta remember that I'm mean, nasty,
drugged to the gills,always up to no good Papabear.........

AS ALWAYS =


PLUR
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Well, last I checked, we don't throw parties to venerate God or to celebrate 
initiations through life cycles.

I also don't think Africans get fucked up before praising God.

Finally, I know that nobody at raves passes spirits or Gods at raves.

Jim

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> I am not only stupid but
> absurd.
> 
> Misha
> 

After your comments about techno I would have to agree.




> --- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> > AFRICA!!!!!!
> > 
> > I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
> > Only they did not use turn tables and records..
> > They made their own techno using their own man made
> > drums and chimes and 
> > voices.
> > Night time rituals and circles.. created their own
> > "rave" in a sense.
> > 
> > Just my opinion...
> > 
> > <3lorie
> > 
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Zoo Rave 1 is the best electronic CD ever.

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Imagine that!  Using INSTRUMENTS and not turntables to
make music! 

<sarcasm>it's a fucking revelation...</sarcasm>

don't mean to sound like an ass, but think about what
you wrote!  are we putting the players ahead of the
composers?  uh oh...here comes another DJs vs
Musicians thread...

;)

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--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> AFRICA!!!!!!
> 
> I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
> Only they did not use turn tables and records..
> They made their own techno using their own man made
> drums and chimes and 
> voices.
> Night time rituals and circles.. created their own
> "rave" in a sense.
> 
> Just my opinion...
> 
> <3lorie

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int main()
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  return 0;
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Tad wrote:

> >> But does
> >> anyone on this list actually post something somewhat
> >> accurate?
> >
> >Here, let me try.  Trance sucks.
> >How's that.
> >
> 
> 
> Um once again lets post something accurate...  that is not accurate.
> 
> This is:
> 
> Techno is dead.
> 
> tad
> 

Ha, what a witty response.  You know you're right.  Thank god we have
trance to break new ground and further the culture we love.  That
formulaic commercial techno stuff had no place at raves.  


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At 04:46 PM 3/16/00 EST, Boppity wrote:
>Well, last I checked, we don't throw parties to venerate God or to celebrate 
>initiations through life cycles.
>
>I also don't think Africans get fucked up before praising God.
>
>Finally, I know that nobody at raves passes spirits or Gods at raves.
>


I'm not sure I agree with any of that.  I guess it depends on your
definition of God... and well yeah.. I guess no one raves to celebrate
puberty or what not.. but I have been to a 'rave' that was someones wedding
reception soo hm... is marriage a life cycle?  I dunno.  and the last
thing... well again I guess it depends how you define god or spirits.   And
not all ravers get fucked up raving.


trying to be difficult,


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In a message dated 3/16/00 3:29:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
TekkgirIie@aol.com writes:

<< I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
 Only they did not use turn tables and records..
 They made their own techno using their own man made drums and chimes and 
 voices.
 Night time rituals and circles.. created their own "rave" in a sense. >>

umm native americans did that too

pretty much all tribal peoples had rituals involving drums and trance 
inducing music of some sort

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>Zoo Rave 1 is the best electronic CD ever.


I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one, atomly, and go with
Rising High Techno Injection 2.

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Actually techno is probably the most formulaic thing
out there. That's where we get terms like 'detroit
techno', 'swedish techno', etc. There's certain
patterns, sounds, or in other words FORMULAS which
separate those different kinds from one another. Plus
everything fucking sounds the same these days anyway. 
And also funny that you mentioned it, but trance does
progress and change over time. Listen to a trance
track from 5 years ago and listen to some recent
track. Nothing in common. Listen to a 5 yr old techno
track and a recent one. I'll let you guess the answer
to that one.


Misha


> Ha, what a witty response.  You know you're right. 
> Thank god we have
> trance to break new ground and further the culture
> we love.  That
> formulaic commercial techno stuff had no place at
> raves.  
> 
>

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>
>Ha, what a witty response.  You know you're right.  Thank god we have
>trance to break new ground and further the culture we love.  That
>formulaic commercial techno stuff had no place at raves.  
>
>

Here's a clue:  Look at what you wrote about my post.  Apply it to your own
and maybe you will see how utterly fucking stupid you sound.

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

...umm, you're not serious...are you?

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> Zoo Rave 1 is the best electronic CD ever.
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  rock_is_dead();
  return 0;
}

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At 04:55 PM 3/16/00 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>Zoo Rave 1 is the best electronic CD ever.
>
>
>I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one, atomly, and go with
>Rising High Techno Injection 2.
>

or United Stance of Techno.

whiddy whop whop whop whiddy whop whop whop...

ecstacy....ecstacy....

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After calling Tad "unoriginal" for saying that techno
is dead, you sure as fuck have plenty of balls to post
some idiocy like this. =)
Now I understand that maybe in your own little world
where techno is NOT dead I said what's written below,
but it actually wasn't the case. As it's not the case
with techno being alive. =)

Misha

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> 
> 
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> 
> > I am not only stupid but
> > absurd.
> > 
> > Misha
> > 
> 
> After your comments about techno I would have to
> agree.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > --- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> > > AFRICA!!!!!!
> > > 
> > > I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
> > > Only they did not use turn tables and records..
> > > They made their own techno using their own man
> made
> > > drums and chimes and 
> > > voices.
> > > Night time rituals and circles.. created their
> own
> > > "rave" in a sense.
> > > 
> > > Just my opinion...
> > > 
> > > <3lorie
> > > 
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it depends upon what you mean as a rave?  the music i.e. techno, and house 
originated in detroit, and chicago...with juan atkins and frankie knuckles 
acting as the early catylist, but their model was a european one.  it was a 
confluence of many different experiences/cultures, and technology.  and it 
should be added that it came originally from a black perspective...so you 
have, in essence people with african roots, living in america with the 
technology at their disposal...mimicking what they thought was 
european...this is more true for techno than house.  house music's roots are 
really in the NYC garage style pioneered by people such as larry levan, 
transplanted via knuckles to the "warehouse" in chicago.

but, sadly most of this music stayed very underground, and musically and 
culturally stratified...until the late 80's when house music was 
re-discovered so to speak by people in manchester england.  the english ran 
off with the music, while america turned to grunge as the saviour of rock 
and roll.  ten years later "the music" i.e. electronic music as it was by 
then being called was finally being noticed by a somewhat mainstream 
american audience...this cultural mobius loop has much precedent...like the 
black american blues artists of the 1950's not being noticed almost at all 
in this country, while white america was the obsessed with the early rock 
and rollers...anyhow it took english bands to soak up the influence of the 
blues musicians, who ironically most came from chicago, and to present back 
to america almost ten years after the fact this new rock and roll, rooted 
heavily in american blues, in the form of the british invasion...bands like 
the animals, rolling stones etc...

i hope i answered your question with this somewhat long winded answer

greg
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>
>ok, for forever and a day it has been my understanding
>that "raves" started in the states, mainly chicago and
>detroit. Recently on stl-raves several people have
>been disputing this (one of which most likely knows
>what he's talking about). So for the record, can
>anyone clear this up for me, did "raves" start in the
>states or england.
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>>but I have been to a 'rave' that was someones wedding reception soo hm... 
>>is marriage a life cycle?

This is true.  I guess I was thinking only in religious context relating to 
my tradition (lukumi)  But secular traditions I could agree with.

>>well again I guess it depends how you define god or spirits.   And
not all ravers get fucked up raving.

I know not all ravers get fucked up.  :)  Again, this viewpoint was from a 
religious/ceremonial stand point.  I know other cultures use psychodelics in 
their rituals however...so I'm not discounting the existence of it.

>>trying to be difficult,

Nah..you're just being Tad.  :)  And I just HOPE to GOD you'll be as evil 
and "you" as you were at the last party!!  :)  You're still my hero!  
hehehehe

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In a message dated 16/03/00 4:53:40 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
insanityfr@yahoo.com writes:

<< Imagine that!  Using INSTRUMENTS and not turntables to
 make music! 
 
 <sarcasm>it's a fucking revelation...</sarcasm>
 
 don't mean to sound like an ass, but think about what
 you wrote!  are we putting the players ahead of the
 composers?  uh oh...here comes another DJs vs
 Musicians thread...
 
 ;) >>



Not just  INSTRUMENTS

man made... 
that im sure they still use over there...
and their voices..  
can not get any more real then african vocals.

oliver ho's producing has some amazing african women doing the vocals.

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Misha, I only wrote that for you
becuse I knew you would whiggggg out about it...

I LOVE getting a rise out of you people..
really..  shows intelligence.
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Here's a clue: Stick your head up your ass and roll yourself down the street like an old tire, and
you'll have an idea of how ridiculous this thread has become.

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--- Tad <sluck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> And
> not all ravers get fucked up raving.

I sure do, though.  Every party I attend I get so
fucked up I puke and pee all over myself.  Thank god
for Frankie Bones making a European import into a
"gross" domestic product of self-indulgence and
hedonism.

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In a message dated 3/16/00 4:01:50 PM Central Standard Time, 
dj_tsar@yahoo.com writes:

<< Listen to a 5 yr old techno
 track and a recent one. >>

they sound nnothing alike

peas
pussy trance is so uncultured

nnothing

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>>man made...that im sure they still use over there...

Over THERE?  How about EVERYWHERE?!?!  Do you even know that all Carribbean 
music is ground in African rhythms and polyrhtyms?  What about the man made 
instruments of India, Asia, Europe, South America, and um EVERYWHERE?

>>and their voices...can not get any more real then african vocals.

Well there's real American vocals, African American vocals, Tibetan vocals, 
blah blah blah...

>>oliver ho's producing has some amazing african women doing the vocals.

And that's more real than Joi Cardwell working a track?

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hi Jim : )

So in no way what so ever..  they do not have these ceremonies to have their 
mind taken to another level in anyway.religious..  non religious.. ??????
It does not matter.. to me personally...
If they are letting their minds wander through the sounds and let their minds 
be taken to a totally different level it has a similarity to me.
That is the ONLY reason I have such a deep love for techno.  It takes my mind 
places unknown..
house/trance/jungle/hc.... whatever..     dosent move my mind..  only techno 
does..
I have always thought that is what the africans/indians/native americans were 
having those ceremonies for..  of course to worship their god..   but also to 
be taken to different levels of imagination..


In a message dated 16/03/00 4:42:36 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
boppity@hotmail.com writes:

<< Lorie,
 
 Ritual grew from religious dogma and cosmology.  The purpose of dance in 
 African religion is not the same reason we dance at parties.
 
 I happen to be in an Afro-Cuban religion (Lukumi) which descends from the 
 Yoruba people of Nigeria.
 
 The entire cosmology of most traditional African religions views dancing 
 differently than we do.
 
 They only seem similar from the outside looking in.
 
 Love and Hugs,
 
 Jim >>

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please ignore that last post..
It was meant to go privately to Jim..
sorry

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anybody still here that likes techno AND trance?

	dickwads,
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, matt hellige wrote:

> IN MY PANTS. THIS IS NOT A JOKE.
> matt hellige - syntax         hellige@imsa.edu


in your skin tight butt huggers? not a chance....

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I KNOW I KNOW!!!!!!!!


And if anyone thinks otherwise, then you OBVIOUSLY have never gotten into
Matts pants!!!!!!!!


:)

derek.



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>IN MY PANTS. THIS IS NOT A JOKE.
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I thought acid is supposed to do that?





> having those ceremonies for..  of course to worship
> their god..   but also to 
> be taken to different levels of imagination..
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yeah me. 
and house. and hhc. and breaks. and jungle. and
ambient. and pet shop boys. and dr. dre.

so yeah =)
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> in your skin tight butt huggers? not a chance....

ASSPANTS!!!

* * *

and now I exercise the basic law of Bastard Operating which roughly says,
Bastard Operators don't just win. anyone can win. Bastard Operators win
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Wookiepants.



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>
>
>> in your skin tight butt huggers? not a chance....
>
>ASSPANTS!!!
>
>* * *
>
>and now I exercise the basic law of Bastard Operating which roughly says,
>Bastard Operators don't just win. anyone can win. Bastard Operators win
>and totally DEMORALISE. that's *real* winning.
>   
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YOU ARE LYING!
...there ain't no room in yer pants for such fun!

=)

bek.

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> IN MY PANTS. THIS IS NOT A JOKE.
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> anybody still here that likes techno AND trance?

absolutely, and proud of it. 

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Derek Plaslaiko wrote:

> Wookiepants.

w3rd.

* * *

and now I exercise the basic law of Bastard Operating which roughly says,
Bastard Operators don't just win. anyone can win. Bastard Operators win
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me too

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, jes wrote:

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-->> Wookiepants.
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-->w3rd.
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ibiza
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Fat Albert Pants

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You're all wrong! Raves started in MY pants! These things are huge and I'm 
just a skinny little dude so you could fit, like, a whole army in here. Wait 
a second? DO I have an army in there? Oh! No, I'm just getting excited. 
Disregard that, false alarm.


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<< YOU ARE LYING!
 ...there ain't no room in yer pants for such fun! >>

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in a *special* place, with a big sausage and some beer.



-Becky =)

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>in a *special* place, with a big sausage and some beer.


We're not talking about MARC'S pants, becky ;p

doh doh doh *ducks and runs away*

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 23:09:55 2000
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now ive got to jump in and start swinging ;P
i would bet that i could whip out more original sounding techno tracks than
someone could whip out original trance tracks...the term techno is so
overhyped and abused nowadays...everything is a techno hybrid with something
else--tech-house, tech-step, techno-trance, techno-electro, acid
techno...does that mean something to anyone??? i know it does to me...im not
bagging on trance or any other style, though some trance djs in particular
are favorite targets of mine *coughkimballcollinscough*...BUT the reason i
chose to play techno instead of trance was because i hated sitting around
during the breakdowns...i got bored...and this was before 1995 where every
record since has breakdowns long enough to take a big dump to in a rancid
port a pottie and still hit your next mix...is there beauty in a nice set w/
emotional moments...of course...i think most trance djs dont do enough in
the mix, but there are still nice moments...far as the formula complaint,
yes, its probably there...i get bored w/ techno records and styles too, and
i buy the shit...i also know as a dj its up to me to break the formula and
inject myself in there...that element of being able to change and truly
manipulate the mix is what makes techno (and drum and bass) so much
different than house or trance or breaks where you have more conventions and
musicality to mix against

dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
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new website: http://zap.to/djoracle

----- Original Message -----
From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:57 PM
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> Actually techno is probably the most formulaic thing
> out there. That's where we get terms like 'detroit
> techno', 'swedish techno', etc. There's certain
> patterns, sounds, or in other words FORMULAS which
> separate those different kinds from one another. Plus
> everything fucking sounds the same these days anyway.
> And also funny that you mentioned it, but trance does
> progress and change over time. Listen to a trance
> track from 5 years ago and listen to some recent
> track. Nothing in common. Listen to a 5 yr old techno
> track and a recent one. I'll let you guess the answer
> to that one.
>
>
> Misha
>
>
> > Ha, what a witty response.  You know you're right.
> > Thank god we have
> > trance to break new ground and further the culture
> > we love.  That
> > formulaic commercial techno stuff had no place at
> > raves.
> >
> >
>
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In a message dated 16/03/00 6:07:07 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu writes:

<< in a *special* place, with a big sausage and some beer.
 
 
 
 -Becky =) >>





replace the beer with vodka and whisky.. and that would be 2-12-00

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"TECHNO 4 LIFE"  <--- in Olde English script tattooed across my stomach.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 23:21:41 2000
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>>So for the record, can
>> anyone clear this up for me, did "raves" start in the
>> states or england.
>> 
>> =====
> >www.boogieknights.net

>England , London to be specific....
>
>Papabear




Manchester....to be specific.

Actually it's Bournemouth, you stupid fuck.

God, you're so stupid. Stop posting to the list!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 23:22:23 2000
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Anyone going to go see Misstress Barbra at some 18+ club in Hammond, IN  ?
If I can get out of my friends "Lets get trashed on green beer at BW3's St. 
Patty day" renioun, I'll be there with bells on. 
Somehow I have a feeling Im gonna have to do both.. someway somehow.... 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 16 23:25:40 2000
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I suggest you listen to some Sasha and find one long
break down or a 20 second mix. Just because a lot of
trance dj's out there prefer to play tracks with 5
minute long break downs, doesn't mean there's no good
trance out there. It just means that that's their
preference. Just like many techno dj's out there who
prefer to play "minimal" techno or "swedish" techno.
If you want to hear good trance without overwhelming
breaks and huge buildups with drum rolls, check out
stuff on Whoop!, Fluid, Automatic, Pacifica and many
other labels that put out high quality stuff. And yes
a lot of trance dj's don't do enough when it comes to
mixing (i.e. mixing for 20 seconds in the beginning
and end of each track). And a lot of techno dj's don't
do enough coughjuanatkinscough...and i am sure there's
huge names in other genres who don't do enough when
they mix. And I actually hate a trance dj who does
nothing but short ass mixes. That's uncreative and
dumb. So what are we gonna do..sit here and
overanalyze everything? If you don't like it..just
don't go see those dj's spin. Simple. 
And if anyone needs further explanation as to WHY
trance dj's don't seem to "be doing much" during their
sets, please e-mail me privately. This thread is
getting boring and i am sleepy.

Misha

--- dj oracle <djoracle@fuse.net> wrote:
> now ive got to jump in and start swinging ;P
> i would bet that i could whip out more original
> sounding techno tracks than
> someone could whip out original trance tracks...the
> term techno is so
> overhyped and abused nowadays...everything is a
> techno hybrid with something
> else--tech-house, tech-step, techno-trance,
> techno-electro, acid
> techno...does that mean something to anyone??? i
> know it does to me...im not
> bagging on trance or any other style, though some
> trance djs in particular
> are favorite targets of mine
> *coughkimballcollinscough*...BUT the reason i
> chose to play techno instead of trance was because i
> hated sitting around
> during the breakdowns...i got bored...and this was
> before 1995 where every
> record since has breakdowns long enough to take a
> big dump to in a rancid
> port a pottie and still hit your next mix...is there
> beauty in a nice set w/
> emotional moments...of course...i think most trance
> djs dont do enough in
> the mix, but there are still nice moments...far as
> the formula complaint,
> yes, its probably there...i get bored w/ techno
> records and styles too, and
> i buy the shit...i also know as a dj its up to me to
> break the formula and
> inject myself in there...that element of being able
> to change and truly
> manipulate the mix is what makes techno (and drum
> and bass) so much
> different than house or trance or breaks where you
> have more conventions and
> musicality to mix against
> 
> dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
> 940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
> techno/electro dj bookings: djoracle@visto.com
> fon: (513) 861-6760
> new website: http://zap.to/djoracle
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
> To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [mw] SASH,DIGWEED & RABBIT IN THE MOON
> 
> 
> > Actually techno is probably the most formulaic
> thing
> > out there. That's where we get terms like 'detroit
> > techno', 'swedish techno', etc. There's certain
> > patterns, sounds, or in other words FORMULAS which
> > separate those different kinds from one another.
> Plus
> > everything fucking sounds the same these days
> anyway.
> > And also funny that you mentioned it, but trance
> does
> > progress and change over time. Listen to a trance
> > track from 5 years ago and listen to some recent
> > track. Nothing in common. Listen to a 5 yr old
> techno
> > track and a recent one. I'll let you guess the
> answer
> > to that one.
> >
> >
> > Misha
> >
> >
> > > Ha, what a witty response.  You know you're
> right.
> > > Thank god we have
> > > trance to break new ground and further the
> culture
> > > we love.  That
> > > formulaic commercial techno stuff had no place
> at
> > > raves.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
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> >
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this is actually exciting...dont go to sleep yet!...my point wasnt to bag on
trance, though i did make light of elements of it i dont care for...my point
was to note the influence of techno on all the genres out today and why
techno (and techno djs) are still relevant and special in todays
scene...theres lots of innovators and motivators in all genres--trance
included...my specialty is techno and i have to represent--thats all...

dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
techno/electro dj bookings: djoracle@visto.com
fon: (513) 861-6760
new website: http://zap.to/djoracle

----- Original Message -----
From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 6:25 PM
Subject: [mw] Re: TECHNO: WAS SASH,DIGWEED & RABBIT IN THE MOON


> I suggest you listen to some Sasha and find one long
> break down or a 20 second mix. Just because a lot of
> trance dj's out there prefer to play tracks with 5
> minute long break downs, doesn't mean there's no good
> trance out there. It just means that that's their
> preference. Just like many techno dj's out there who
> prefer to play "minimal" techno or "swedish" techno.
> If you want to hear good trance without overwhelming
> breaks and huge buildups with drum rolls, check out
> stuff on Whoop!, Fluid, Automatic, Pacifica and many
> other labels that put out high quality stuff. And yes
> a lot of trance dj's don't do enough when it comes to
> mixing (i.e. mixing for 20 seconds in the beginning
> and end of each track). And a lot of techno dj's don't
> do enough coughjuanatkinscough...and i am sure there's
> huge names in other genres who don't do enough when
> they mix. And I actually hate a trance dj who does
> nothing but short ass mixes. That's uncreative and
> dumb. So what are we gonna do..sit here and
> overanalyze everything? If you don't like it..just
> don't go see those dj's spin. Simple.
> And if anyone needs further explanation as to WHY
> trance dj's don't seem to "be doing much" during their
> sets, please e-mail me privately. This thread is
> getting boring and i am sleepy.
>
> Misha
>
> --- dj oracle <djoracle@fuse.net> wrote:
> > now ive got to jump in and start swinging ;P
> > i would bet that i could whip out more original
> > sounding techno tracks than
> > someone could whip out original trance tracks...the
> > term techno is so
> > overhyped and abused nowadays...everything is a
> > techno hybrid with something
> > else--tech-house, tech-step, techno-trance,
> > techno-electro, acid
> > techno...does that mean something to anyone??? i
> > know it does to me...im not
> > bagging on trance or any other style, though some
> > trance djs in particular
> > are favorite targets of mine
> > *coughkimballcollinscough*...BUT the reason i
> > chose to play techno instead of trance was because i
> > hated sitting around
> > during the breakdowns...i got bored...and this was
> > before 1995 where every
> > record since has breakdowns long enough to take a
> > big dump to in a rancid
> > port a pottie and still hit your next mix...is there
> > beauty in a nice set w/
> > emotional moments...of course...i think most trance
> > djs dont do enough in
> > the mix, but there are still nice moments...far as
> > the formula complaint,
> > yes, its probably there...i get bored w/ techno
> > records and styles too, and
> > i buy the shit...i also know as a dj its up to me to
> > break the formula and
> > inject myself in there...that element of being able
> > to change and truly
> > manipulate the mix is what makes techno (and drum
> > and bass) so much
> > different than house or trance or breaks where you
> > have more conventions and
> > musicality to mix against
> >
> > dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
> > 940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
> > techno/electro dj bookings: djoracle@visto.com
> > fon: (513) 861-6760
> > new website: http://zap.to/djoracle
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
> > To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [mw] SASH,DIGWEED & RABBIT IN THE MOON
> >
> >
> > > Actually techno is probably the most formulaic
> > thing
> > > out there. That's where we get terms like 'detroit
> > > techno', 'swedish techno', etc. There's certain
> > > patterns, sounds, or in other words FORMULAS which
> > > separate those different kinds from one another.
> > Plus
> > > everything fucking sounds the same these days
> > anyway.
> > > And also funny that you mentioned it, but trance
> > does
> > > progress and change over time. Listen to a trance
> > > track from 5 years ago and listen to some recent
> > > track. Nothing in common. Listen to a 5 yr old
> > techno
> > > track and a recent one. I'll let you guess the
> > answer
> > > to that one.
> > >
> > >
> > > Misha
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ha, what a witty response.  You know you're
> > right.
> > > > Thank god we have
> > > > trance to break new ground and further the
> > culture
> > > > we love.  That
> > > > formulaic commercial techno stuff had no place
> > at
> > > > raves.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Well considering that techno and house were some of
the first genres of actual electronic dance music as
we have it today, of course they had some influence on
trance. After all trance was created from techno.
And of course techno is relevant and important as a
very unique and rich genre which has its place in the
world of today's music. But so does every other genre
whethere it was created 2 yrs ago or 200. Remember,
first is not always best.
What tickles my nuts though is the fact that many
people who like techno do not have appreciation for
other forms of music. That occurance most of the time
is caused by people's ignorance and poor knowledge of
the music they claim to dislike. I seriously doubt
that any of the people posting dumb hate this and that
one-liners actually know the music they "hate" well
enough to "hate" it.

That is all
Misha

--- dj oracle <djoracle@fuse.net> wrote:
> this is actually exciting...dont go to sleep
> yet!...my point wasnt to bag on
> trance, though i did make light of elements of it i
> dont care for...my point
> was to note the influence of techno on all the
> genres out today and why
> techno (and techno djs) are still relevant and
> special in todays
> scene...theres lots of innovators and motivators in
> all genres--trance
> included...my specialty is techno and i have to
> represent--thats all...


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The club's supposedly 18+ but my friends went instead of going to LOTD3, and 
they don't card.... hehe. so yes, prepare for young brats i warn you. i'm 
going :)

sarah.

<< Anyone going to go see Misstress Barbra at some 18+ club in Hammond, IN  ?
 If I can get out of my friends "Lets get trashed on green beer at BW3's St. 
 Patty day" renioun, I'll be there with bells on. 
 Somehow I have a feeling Im gonna have to do both.. someway somehow.... 
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>>And I actually hate a trance dj who does
nothing but short ass mixes. That's uncreative and
dumb. <<

Good trance is mixed on four tables. Anything else is amatuer.

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In a message dated 16/03/00 6:59:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
dj_tsar@yahoo.com writes:

<< What tickles my nuts though is the fact that many
 people who like techno do not have appreciation for
 other forms of music. >>

Not so true Misha.
I am in total love with Jazz and Classical.
I do like some dark DnB also..  
and love to drink martini's and listen to jazzy house (i.e.mark farina mixes) 
and I am giving some of franks' hc a chance may 6th in pitts..   but ill also 
have beyer and barbra for my techno love.
techno is what really moves my mind.

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, matt positive wrote:

-->it's a little known fact that the rave scene *actually* started only a
-->few months ago on #mw.raves. 
-->
-->matt

how can I tell that the past isn't a fiction designed to account for
the discrepancy between my immediate physical sensations and my state
of mind?

one love,
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i dont think mishas statement was targeted at me in particular, but i think
my individual playing style (or at least where my mindset is) has more in
common with house djs like derrick carter, markie, jeno or farina rather
than jeff mills...

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> In a message dated 16/03/00 6:59:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
> dj_tsar@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << What tickles my nuts though is the fact that many
>  people who like techno do not have appreciation for
>  other forms of music. >>
>
> Not so true Misha.
> I am in total love with Jazz and Classical.
> I do like some dark DnB also..
> and love to drink martini's and listen to jazzy house (i.e.mark farina
mixes)
> and I am giving some of franks' hc a chance may 6th in pitts..   but ill
also
> have beyer and barbra for my techno love.
> techno is what really moves my mind.
>
> <3lorie
>
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[>how can I tell that the past isn't a fiction designed to account for
[>the discrepancy between my immediate physical sensations and my state
[>of mind?

because last night your mom told me otherwise.

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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Griggles wrote:

> how can I tell that the past isn't a fiction designed to account for
> the discrepancy between my immediate physical sensations and my state
> of mind?

post-graduation unemployment


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techno, acid house, banjo fucking trance with a hint of bluegrass kiss my 
ass.

things are getting tense on this list.

let's all be nice.


>From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
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>Sorry no good...the question was ...where did RAVES
>come from..not techno. And last I checked, techno was
>dead and even when it wasn's dead it wasn't the only
>thing making up a concept of "rave". Also. It could be
>tribal house or tribal trance or tribal anything else
>as much as tribal techno. Does anything that was ever
>done in the past and was cool have to have 'techno'
>attached to it? This is getting not just stupid but
>absurd.
>
>Misha
>
>--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> > AFRICA!!!!!!
> >
> > I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
> > Only they did not use turn tables and records..
> > They made their own techno using their own man made
> > drums and chimes and
> > voices.
> > Night time rituals and circles.. created their own
> > "rave" in a sense.
> >
> > Just my opinion...
> >
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>>how can I tell that the past isn't a fiction designed to account for
the discrepancy between my immediate physical sensations and my state
of mind?

A 10-strip will answer that question for you.  Several times over.

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[>A 10-strip will answer that question for you.  Several times over.

acid is overrated.

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In a message dated 3/16/00 6:33:06 PM Central Standard Time, 
voigtjr@umich.edu writes:

<< acid is overrated.
 
 -jonathan >>


Try a thumbprint.
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:22:12 -0500 "Derek Plaslaiko"
<plaslaik@ix.netcom.com> writes:

> Manchester....to be specific.
> 

Actually there was a "rave" at Chalk Farm in London on
October 15, 1966.  At least, it was called a rave and
there wasn't any "techno" music performed.
However, this party was one of The Pink Floyd's early
performances when they were much more experimental.
The party was called "The All Night Rave at the Roundhouse."

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In a message dated 03/16/2000 7:28:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
subsonik_pro@hotmail.com writes:

> mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org
>--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> > AFRICA!!!!!!
> >
> > I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
> > Only they did not use turn tables and records..
> > They made their own techno using their own man made
> > drums and chimes and
> > voices.
> > Night time rituals and circles.. created their own
> > "rave" in a sense.
> >
> > Just my opinion...
> >
> > <3lorie
> >
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> >
WOW!  I'd have to agree with that 100% ! Raving is not attending a certian 
kind of party but what takes place after that event. ie. To  Rave- we all 
talk about the mutual experiences we've shared at party wheather we believed 
this experience to be benificial or not. The history of these types of 
gatherings date back to ancient civilizations and continue into our urban 
civilization. Communities gathering and sharing consciousness though the 
extascy of dance. Examine the  similarities, men and women, incolorful 
costumes,  carving geometric patterns in the night air as they, with torches 
in hand,  move to repeatitive drum beats while onlookers, forming a circle 
around, watch and cheer the dancers on. We are all of the same clan, spread 
across the world by time, coming together once again at weekend events called 
raves.

New Age Traveler-
Decendent of the Spiral Tribe-
Steve Jurnee

Lets not take it all too serious. Enjoy the party brothers and sisters!

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Go look at this painting

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Tribal Techno / Trance kicks ass, anyone know where I can pick up some
good shit?

> 
> AFRICA!!!!!!
> 
> I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
> Only they did not use turn tables and records..
> They made their own techno using their own man made drums and chimes and 
> voices.
> Night time rituals and circles.. created their own "rave" in a sense.
> 
> Just my opinion...
> 
> <3lorie
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Anyone, anyone, Buehler, Buehler?

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At 02:00 PM 03/16/2000 -0800, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
>After calling Tad "unoriginal" for saying that techno
>is dead, you sure as fuck have plenty of balls to post
>some idiocy like this. =)

Me gots five balls actually.  All different colors.


>Now I understand that maybe in your own little world
>where techno is NOT dead I said what's written below,
>but it actually wasn't the case.

Oh so now your gonna go back on what you've been saying.  So I win the
argument.  The techno gods have shined upon me.  I do like some trance
actually.  About 2% of it.  Commander Tom is the shit.  I just think it's
funny how easily you get pissed off.  Peace brother.




>
>Misha
>
>--- Kevin Michael Robbins <krobbins@umich.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
>> 
>> > I am not only stupid but
>> > absurd.
>> > 
>> > Misha
>> > 
>> 
>> After your comments about techno I would have to
>> agree.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > --- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
>> > > AFRICA!!!!!!
>> > > 
>> > > I honestly believe tribal techno began there.
>> > > Only they did not use turn tables and records..
>> > > They made their own techno using their own man
>> made
>> > > drums and chimes and 
>> > > voices.
>> > > Night time rituals and circles.. created their
>> own
>> > > "rave" in a sense.
>> > > 
>> > > Just my opinion...
>> > > 
>> > > <3lorie
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cellophane_808@hotmail.com writes:

<< space ghost coast to coast ROCKS!!! =) >>
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hey, here's an idea.  why don't you just let people like what they like
without crucifying them?  if you don't like trance, it doesn't mean it
sucks.  other people might not like hardcore, or techno, or jungle, etc.
just give it a rest!  like what you like but don't give other people shit
for having opinions. 




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>> anybody still here that likes techno AND trance?


definitely.  i like almost everything in terms of music at parties.  as
long as it makes me feel good, i love it. 


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What the hell...good thing I looked at this thing at school and not at
home!  Take a look at that guy's other auctions, some other weird
shit...
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> Go look at this painting
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251789217
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Listen I personaly think tranc is the shit I like all music except for rap , 
country and rock. I have been in the sene longer than most of you have been 
able to go out side buy your self. Kidds today arnt in it for the music its 
how manny ccs can you put in your arm or how many beans cans ya popp. every 
one needs to get the sene back to the under ground wher it belongs and maybe 
we can all just chill and make ohio a phat place to party it sucks I have to 
go to atlanta or to fl or even Nj to have a good time and chill.. dayton is 
about the drugs and the narcs kidds we all need to be a group not fighting 
not oding just DANCING ARE ASSSSS OFF 
How can you belive in Plure if ya downin the music listen ther is alot of 
music that doesnt get my attion but it dont mean it sucks just that it isnt 
for me. The sene is made up from music. people up north need to get with it. 
I am in Dayton now I came her from Orlando come on kidds instead of fighting 
and Jacking people or arguing over stuped shit lets all pull togeather and 
blow this mother fucking state off the map we got the kidds just not 
aditudes... If any one out ther whos got the way to throw parties I got the 
peeps and the ideas to turn this stae out...
Pease and love to alll
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What's a rave?

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TJL comin' in for the kill...

hecate n nnothing with the northern front n offtrack comin up from the
south...

techno reigns forever

peace


--- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> And what significance did that e-mail have at all? Was
> there a real need to post it? We already all know that
> trance sucks and techno and hardcore rule. Can we stop
> with the idiocy now?
> 
> Misha
> 
> --- "Stephen Freshnock, Offtrack"
> <sfreshnock@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > One of my roomates bumps proggy trance in the
> > morning.
> > Its sooo shitty to wake up to. I woke up to Paul
> > Okenfold live at creamfields today...ugggh
> > 
> > peace,
> > Offtrack
> >  
> 
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and this my friends comes from a guy who is all giddy about seeing DJ FUNK
tonight!

so take it for what itz worth...

but wait.....

i thought dj funk was dead??????????????????

hrmmmm     mass confusion sets in


--- Tad <sluck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> >I think you picked the wrong list to post that to...
> 
> Checks the header... No this is the right list.  Maybe *you* are
> subscribed
> to the wrong one?
> 
> I think your funny.  techno is dead.  I'm sick of everyone and their
> mother
> playing techno.  I'm bored to tears with lifeless souless sets.  As far
> as
> I'm concerned techno is dead nothing new nothing interesting there...
> its
> been beaten to the ground in the past 5 years.   Sure there are still a
> few
> djs that can throw a good set down, but the last time I heard Richie he
> bored the living shit out of me... (Engage).  The last good techno set I
> heard was Cari lekebusch (sp?) at Shake it.  It was nice it was
> different... then everyone and their mother who was already playing
> techno
> started playing swedish techno (or whatever european country it Cari and
> Adam are from).  And you know what? it gets fucking old... so old in
> fact
> it is DEAD (IMO) as dead as say rock and roll or classical... to me
> there
> is no innovation there is nothing new nothing exciting when I hear it. 
> I
> used to love djs like: Carl craig, claude young, Heckyll and jeckyl, 
> Rob
> hood; living near columbus and in dayton, I got to hear those guys every
> other weekend just about.  Ele mental and the Illuminators were all
> about
> detroit techno and techno in general.  It was fun... but its time to try
> something new.   
> 
> Florida trance isnt really my thing... but I've yet to catch RITM and
> everyone I know.. even those who profess hating trance suggest catching
> it
> at least once.     
> 
> I used to feel the same way about house... I thought it was dead
> overplayed... then came techno.. now I yearn for good house (luckily its
> not that hard to come by).  Maybe someday when promoters lay off techno
> a
> bit, I'll yearn for a good techno set.  What I'd like to hear now is
> some
> good acid... but you cant find that at a club (like house).  OH and of
> course I want to hear trance.. but lately that doesn't seem to be a
> problem
> :) and things just seem to be getting better and better :) 
> 
> tad
> 
> 
> fuck trance, I *heart* techno
> 
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commercial techno stuff??

eiffel 65, whitney houston's trainwrecking trance hit, you and me babee
aint nothin but mammals so lets do it like they do it on the discovery
channel, madonnas remake of some old song, and countless others are all
trance and are all on the radio...played at clubs...etc...EVEN OLD NAVY
plays that shite!

commercial what???


--- Kevin Michael Robbins <krobbins@umich.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Tad wrote:
> 
> > >> But does
> > >> anyone on this list actually post something somewhat
> > >> accurate?
> > >
> > >Here, let me try.  Trance sucks.
> > >How's that.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Um once again lets post something accurate...  that is not accurate.
> > 
> > This is:
> > 
> > Techno is dead.
> > 
> > tad
> > 
> 
> Ha, what a witty response.  You know you're right.  Thank god we have
> trance to break new ground and further the culture we love.  That
> formulaic commercial techno stuff had no place at raves.  
> 
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he called juan atkins a techno dj!!!!!!!!!

lmfao


--- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I suggest you listen to some Sasha and find one long
> break down or a 20 second mix. Just because a lot of
> trance dj's out there prefer to play tracks with 5
> minute long break downs, doesn't mean there's no good
> trance out there. It just means that that's their
> preference. Just like many techno dj's out there who
> prefer to play "minimal" techno or "swedish" techno.
> If you want to hear good trance without overwhelming
> breaks and huge buildups with drum rolls, check out
> stuff on Whoop!, Fluid, Automatic, Pacifica and many
> other labels that put out high quality stuff. And yes
> a lot of trance dj's don't do enough when it comes to
> mixing (i.e. mixing for 20 seconds in the beginning
> and end of each track). And a lot of techno dj's don't
> do enough coughjuanatkinscough...and i am sure there's
> huge names in other genres who don't do enough when
> they mix. And I actually hate a trance dj who does
> nothing but short ass mixes. That's uncreative and
> dumb. So what are we gonna do..sit here and
> overanalyze everything? If you don't like it..just
> don't go see those dj's spin. Simple. 
> And if anyone needs further explanation as to WHY
> trance dj's don't seem to "be doing much" during their
> sets, please e-mail me privately. This thread is
> getting boring and i am sleepy.
> 
> Misha
> 
> --- dj oracle <djoracle@fuse.net> wrote:
> > now ive got to jump in and start swinging ;P
> > i would bet that i could whip out more original
> > sounding techno tracks than
> > someone could whip out original trance tracks...the
> > term techno is so
> > overhyped and abused nowadays...everything is a
> > techno hybrid with something
> > else--tech-house, tech-step, techno-trance,
> > techno-electro, acid
> > techno...does that mean something to anyone??? i
> > know it does to me...im not
> > bagging on trance or any other style, though some
> > trance djs in particular
> > are favorite targets of mine
> > *coughkimballcollinscough*...BUT the reason i
> > chose to play techno instead of trance was because i
> > hated sitting around
> > during the breakdowns...i got bored...and this was
> > before 1995 where every
> > record since has breakdowns long enough to take a
> > big dump to in a rancid
> > port a pottie and still hit your next mix...is there
> > beauty in a nice set w/
> > emotional moments...of course...i think most trance
> > djs dont do enough in
> > the mix, but there are still nice moments...far as
> > the formula complaint,
> > yes, its probably there...i get bored w/ techno
> > records and styles too, and
> > i buy the shit...i also know as a dj its up to me to
> > break the formula and
> > inject myself in there...that element of being able
> > to change and truly
> > manipulate the mix is what makes techno (and drum
> > and bass) so much
> > different than house or trance or breaks where you
> > have more conventions and
> > musicality to mix against
> > 
> > dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
> > 940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
> > techno/electro dj bookings: djoracle@visto.com
> > fon: (513) 861-6760
> > new website: http://zap.to/djoracle
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
> > To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [mw] SASH,DIGWEED & RABBIT IN THE MOON
> > 
> > 
> > > Actually techno is probably the most formulaic
> > thing
> > > out there. That's where we get terms like 'detroit
> > > techno', 'swedish techno', etc. There's certain
> > > patterns, sounds, or in other words FORMULAS which
> > > separate those different kinds from one another.
> > Plus
> > > everything fucking sounds the same these days
> > anyway.
> > > And also funny that you mentioned it, but trance
> > does
> > > progress and change over time. Listen to a trance
> > > track from 5 years ago and listen to some recent
> > > track. Nothing in common. Listen to a 5 yr old
> > techno
> > > track and a recent one. I'll let you guess the
> > answer
> > > to that one.
> > >
> > >
> > > Misha
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ha, what a witty response.  You know you're
> > right.
> > > > Thank god we have
> > > > trance to break new ground and further the
> > culture
> > > > we love.  That
> > > > formulaic commercial techno stuff had no place
> > at
> > > > raves.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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you see...deep down...misha knows that he plays silly pussy trance...thus
his wishing to argue with you about trance...when in fact you said you
werent baggin on trance...misha just proves me over and over again

misha hunnay i heart you!  :oP



--- dj oracle <djoracle@fuse.net> wrote:
> this is actually exciting...dont go to sleep yet!...my point wasnt to
> bag on
> trance, though i did make light of elements of it i dont care for...my
> point
> was to note the influence of techno on all the genres out today and why
> techno (and techno djs) are still relevant and special in todays
> scene...theres lots of innovators and motivators in all genres--trance
> included...my specialty is techno and i have to represent--thats all...
> 
> dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
> 940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
> techno/electro dj bookings: djoracle@visto.com
> fon: (513) 861-6760
> new website: http://zap.to/djoracle
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
> To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 6:25 PM
> Subject: [mw] Re: TECHNO: WAS SASH,DIGWEED & RABBIT IN THE MOON
> 
> 
> > I suggest you listen to some Sasha and find one long
> > break down or a 20 second mix. Just because a lot of
> > trance dj's out there prefer to play tracks with 5
> > minute long break downs, doesn't mean there's no good
> > trance out there. It just means that that's their
> > preference. Just like many techno dj's out there who
> > prefer to play "minimal" techno or "swedish" techno.
> > If you want to hear good trance without overwhelming
> > breaks and huge buildups with drum rolls, check out
> > stuff on Whoop!, Fluid, Automatic, Pacifica and many
> > other labels that put out high quality stuff. And yes
> > a lot of trance dj's don't do enough when it comes to
> > mixing (i.e. mixing for 20 seconds in the beginning
> > and end of each track). And a lot of techno dj's don't
> > do enough coughjuanatkinscough...and i am sure there's
> > huge names in other genres who don't do enough when
> > they mix. And I actually hate a trance dj who does
> > nothing but short ass mixes. That's uncreative and
> > dumb. So what are we gonna do..sit here and
> > overanalyze everything? If you don't like it..just
> > don't go see those dj's spin. Simple.
> > And if anyone needs further explanation as to WHY
> > trance dj's don't seem to "be doing much" during their
> > sets, please e-mail me privately. This thread is
> > getting boring and i am sleepy.
> >
> > Misha
> >
> > --- dj oracle <djoracle@fuse.net> wrote:
> > > now ive got to jump in and start swinging ;P
> > > i would bet that i could whip out more original
> > > sounding techno tracks than
> > > someone could whip out original trance tracks...the
> > > term techno is so
> > > overhyped and abused nowadays...everything is a
> > > techno hybrid with something
> > > else--tech-house, tech-step, techno-trance,
> > > techno-electro, acid
> > > techno...does that mean something to anyone??? i
> > > know it does to me...im not
> > > bagging on trance or any other style, though some
> > > trance djs in particular
> > > are favorite targets of mine
> > > *coughkimballcollinscough*...BUT the reason i
> > > chose to play techno instead of trance was because i
> > > hated sitting around
> > > during the breakdowns...i got bored...and this was
> > > before 1995 where every
> > > record since has breakdowns long enough to take a
> > > big dump to in a rancid
> > > port a pottie and still hit your next mix...is there
> > > beauty in a nice set w/
> > > emotional moments...of course...i think most trance
> > > djs dont do enough in
> > > the mix, but there are still nice moments...far as
> > > the formula complaint,
> > > yes, its probably there...i get bored w/ techno
> > > records and styles too, and
> > > i buy the shit...i also know as a dj its up to me to
> > > break the formula and
> > > inject myself in there...that element of being able
> > > to change and truly
> > > manipulate the mix is what makes techno (and drum
> > > and bass) so much
> > > different than house or trance or breaks where you
> > > have more conventions and
> > > musicality to mix against
> > >
> > > dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
> > > 940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
> > > techno/electro dj bookings: djoracle@visto.com
> > > fon: (513) 861-6760
> > > new website: http://zap.to/djoracle
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 4:57 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [mw] SASH,DIGWEED & RABBIT IN THE MOON
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually techno is probably the most formulaic
> > > thing
> > > > out there. That's where we get terms like 'detroit
> > > > techno', 'swedish techno', etc. There's certain
> > > > patterns, sounds, or in other words FORMULAS which
> > > > separate those different kinds from one another.
> > > Plus
> > > > everything fucking sounds the same these days
> > > anyway.
> > > > And also funny that you mentioned it, but trance
> > > does
> > > > progress and change over time. Listen to a trance
> > > > track from 5 years ago and listen to some recent
> > > > track. Nothing in common. Listen to a 5 yr old
> > > techno
> > > > track and a recent one. I'll let you guess the
> > > answer
> > > > to that one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Misha
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ha, what a witty response.  You know you're
> > > right.
> > > > > Thank god we have
> > > > > trance to break new ground and further the
> > > culture
> > > > > we love.  That
> > > > > formulaic commercial techno stuff had no place
> > > at
> > > > > raves.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________________________
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> > >
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Tiffanie Hamilton wrote:

-->madonnas remake of some old song, and countless others are all
-->trance and are all on the radio...played at clubs...etc...EVEN OLD NAVY
-->plays that shite!
-->
-->commercial what???

don't forget what started Madonna's latest revival... Ray of Light...
straight up trance... soon to be followed by Cher's latest: 'No That's
Not a Vocoder... I Can Really Hit Those Notes'... and let's not forget
TINA TURNER throwing her $.02 in... 

trance... the next big pop craze.  gag me with a spoon.

Throw on top of that, how every new video on MTV with even a hint of a
dance beat has to be shot in this glamorous, flashy, rave-type
setting... and don't forget the dj!!!  Gotta have somebody on the 1's
and 2's for street cred...  Yeah, and Carson Daly mentioning trance on
TRL... the end is nigh

one love,
greg

p.s.  "Junior, this is Madonna... I'm in Miami... give me a call" 

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amen lorie


--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 16/03/00 6:59:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
> dj_tsar@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> << What tickles my nuts though is the fact that many
>  people who like techno do not have appreciation for
>  other forms of music. >>
> 
> Not so true Misha.
> I am in total love with Jazz and Classical.
> I do like some dark DnB also..  
> and love to drink martini's and listen to jazzy house (i.e.mark farina
> mixes) 
> and I am giving some of franks' hc a chance may 6th in pitts..   but ill
> also 
> have beyer and barbra for my techno love.
> techno is what really moves my mind.
> 
> <3lorie
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Last I heard Juan Atkins was one of the pioneers of
detroit techno. So maybe Juan Atkins spins jungle now.
I hear he is teaming up with MC GQ for a big tour. Any
news on that?
And it's funny to see you be such an advocate of
techno, tiffanie, considering you used to get wet
listening to trance. Then again, I understand you have
to be a "techno fan" to be able to fit into the crowd
on here and to be respected. It's ok =) Carry on.

Misha

--- Tiffanie Hamilton <keepdamwalive@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> he called juan atkins a techno dj!!!!!!!!!
> 
> lmfao
> 



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 17 04:25:50 2000
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Yes ... I enjoy both techno and trance ... and find that they work well
together at a rave, either within one DJs set ... or a trance DJ followed by
a techno DJ (or vice versa).

Actually ... don't promoters try to have DJs with different styles on the
playbill?  And is there a reason to have to have the Techno DJ followed by a
Trance DJ (or vice versa)?  I remember somewhere someone mentioning a good
way to let the music flow between genres during an entire night.

Len Lindsay ( LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com )
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> anybody still here that likes techno AND trance?
>
> dickwads,
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<sarcasm>Yeah!  Like, Crystal Method used to be really
cool...but now they're on movie soundtracks and
commercials...they're sellouts so they suck now!  Damn
them for making money!  And don't even get me started
on South Park!</sarcasm>

My personal dream is that electronic music will be
played on every radio station and in the background of
every commercial, movie, and tv show theme.

Trance rocks, techno rules, jungle kicks ass.  Be a
little bit more open minded and less elitist.  Believe
it or not, there are (and were) some really talented
country singers (such as the soon to be dead Johnny
Cash), some really talented classical composers (such
as the often unrecognized Michael Kamen), and some
really talented hip hop artists (busta rhymes).  They
are talented AND they make money.  Go figure!

to quote the Human Torch: "Flame on!"
--Will

--- Tiffanie Hamilton <keepdamwalive@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> commercial techno stuff??
> 
> eiffel 65, whitney houston's trainwrecking trance
> hit, you and me babee
> aint nothin but mammals so lets do it like they do
> it on the discovery
> channel, madonnas remake of some old song, and
> countless others are all
> trance and are all on the radio...played at
> clubs...etc...EVEN OLD NAVY
> plays that shite!
> 
> commercial what???

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You're right!  He definately doesn't deserve to have
an opinion anymore!

sib

--- Tiffanie Hamilton <keepdamwalive@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> he called juan atkins a techno dj!!!!!!!!!
> 
> lmfao


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 17 04:43:43 2000
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Subject: Re: [mw] techno & trance was: SASH,DIGWEED & RABBIT IN THE MOON
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um yeah look at our line up

ALL NIGHT Des Moines Iowa   April 7, 2000

Barbarella   west coast trance
Double X     techno
Jon Gotti    uk dnb
DJ Storm     goa trance
.Com         ghetto and emcee
Nnothing     techno
Jethro       house
Rorsache     tech house

pretty eclectic i think...

The Invasion
515-830-1893


--- Techno Heaven Len <LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com> wrote:
> Yes ... I enjoy both techno and trance ... and find that they work well
> together at a rave, either within one DJs set ... or a trance DJ
> followed by
> a techno DJ (or vice versa).
> 
> Actually ... don't promoters try to have DJs with different styles on
> the
> playbill?  And is there a reason to have to have the Techno DJ followed
> by a
> Trance DJ (or vice versa)?  I remember somewhere someone mentioning a
> good
> way to let the music flow between genres during an entire night.
> 
> Len Lindsay ( LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com )
> Madison-Milwaukee Events, Clubs, Stores, Resources:
> http://www.technoheaven.com/madison-milwaukee.htm
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: powdered toastman <psenet@cs.uchicago.edu>
> 
> > anybody still here that likes techno AND trance?
> >
> > dickwads,
> > toastman
> 
> 
> 
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Chad, 
 
When was it that you said you are shutting down mw-raves?

/me puts chad's finger on the switch and down it goes.


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Listen I personaly think tranc is the shit I like all music except for rap , 
country and rock. I have been in the sene longer than most of you have been 
able to go out side buy your self. Kidds today arnt in it for the music its 
how manny ccs can you put in your arm or how many beans cans ya popp. every 
one needs to get the sene back to the under ground wher it belongs and maybe 
we can all just chill and make ohio a phat place to party it sucks I have to 
go to atlanta or to fl or even Nj to have a good time and chill.. dayton is 
about the drugs and the narcs kidds we all need to be a group not fighting 
not oding just DANCING ARE ASSSSS OFF 
How can you belive in Plure if ya downin the music listen ther is alot of 
music that doesnt get my attion but it dont mean it sucks just that it isnt 
for me. The sene is made up from music. people up north need to get with it. 
I am in Dayton now I came her from Orlando come on kidds instead of fighting 
and Jacking people or arguing over stuped shit lets all pull togeather and 
blow this mother fucking state off the map we got the kidds just not 
aditudes... If any one out ther whos got the way to throw parties I got the 
peeps and the ideas to turn this stae out...
Pease and love to alll
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>a toy for a needy kid ring a bell?  That was me! That was my idea,
>NOT ANYONE ELSE involved......7- 35 gallon trash bags that gave
>literally HUNDREDS of kids at least ONE extra toy to make them happy.

sure says something about the rampant materialism in this fucking country, 
doesn't it?

...........................................................
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...........................................................
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Yeah...every someone simply posts "trance sucks" and 
25 oh so witty one liners follow.  Now they're getting
pissy because two people say the same about techno? 
Gimme a break.

--- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Then again, I understand you
> have
> to be a "techno fan" to be able to fit into the
> crowd
> on here and to be respected. It's ok =) Carry on.


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fucktrance
fucktotechno harder


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 17 04:59:12 2000
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They're kids.  Kids ARE materialistic in this country
and every other.  Kids like stuff.  They haven't had
enough life experience to be as enlightened as thou.  

You know, for an athiest generation that spends
billions of dollars a year on luxury items we sure do
bitch alot about materialism and capitalism.

--- jon dica! <dica666@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >a toy for a needy kid ring a bell?  That was me!
> That was my idea,
> >NOT ANYONE ELSE involved......7- 35 gallon trash
> bags that gave
> >literally HUNDREDS of kids at least ONE extra toy
> to make them happy.
> 
> sure says something about the rampant materialism in
> this fucking country, 
> doesn't it?
> 
>
...........................................................
> .......  jon/dica - massive honky - angel of death 
> .......
>
...........................................................
> "The suspect still had the weapon in his hand when
> police
> arrived. The weapon at that point was emptied," he
> added.
>
...........................................................
> 
>
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In a message dated 3/17/00 12:03:56 AM !!!First Boot!!!, 
GLoWsTiCkcHiKa@aol.com writes:

> The club's supposedly 18+ but my friends went instead of going to LOTD3, 
and 
>  they don't card.... hehe. so yes, prepare for young brats i warn you. i'm 
>  going :)
>  
>  sarah.
>  

I wouldn't be too sure...

I've gone twice and BOTH times I was carded
by an on-duty cop.  Their security was pretty 
tight, so I'd think twice or have some back-up
plan (like Indy's pre-party for the Pleasure
Dome) if you're under the age of 18.

Otherwise, if I wasn't throwing the pre-party
I'd have gone there!  

Damn!

I hate promoting sometimes...


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  I have not been on this list long, so i dont know
all your  personalitys too well. However i think you
are gettign a bit to wrapped up in this Techno Vs.
Trance thing.  			   
   Second, you insulted my girl Tiffany. Thats just
fucked up. You should apologize to Her. 

peace,
Offtrack


--- Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Last I heard Juan Atkins was one of the pioneers of
> detroit techno. So maybe Juan Atkins spins jungle
> now.
> I hear he is teaming up with MC GQ for a big tour.
> Any
> news on that?
> And it's funny to see you be such an advocate of
> techno, tiffanie, considering you used to get wet
> listening to trance. Then again, I understand you
> have
> to be a "techno fan" to be able to fit into the
> crowd
> on here and to be respected. It's ok =) Carry on.
> 
> Misha
> 
> --- Tiffanie Hamilton <keepdamwalive@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > he called juan atkins a techno dj!!!!!!!!!
> > 
> > lmfao
> > 
> 
> 
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1. Marco Bailey "Invasion Series" [invasion] <--DAMN, ILL
2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
5. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
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<< I hate the Internet.
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The verdict part would be a cool sample. Give ravers a
guilt complex..haha Evil doers.

peace,
Offtrack


--- Spirit316@aol.com wrote:
> John 3:16 "For God so loved the world he gave his
> one and only
> Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish
> but have
> eternal life...For God did not send his Son into the
> world to
> condemn the world, but to save the world through
> him...Whoever
> believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does
> not believe
> stands condemned already because he has not believed
> in the
> name of God's one and only Son...This is the
> verdict: Light has
> come into the world, but men loved darkness instead
> of light
> because their deeds were evil...Everyone who does
> evil hates
> the light, and will not come into the light for fear
> that his 
> deeds will be exposed...But whoever gives by the
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> into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that
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Offtracks Top 5 Techno Jamz. 
1. Marco Bailey "Invasion Series" [invasion] <--DAMN, ILL
2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
5. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
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Using 'Ray of Light' as an example of just commercialized trance
is completely rediculous.  The album draws from almost all
forms of electronic music: Trip-Hop, House, Ambient, and 
also Trance.  It commercializes electronic music in general.
Don't forget that the album was almost entirely produced by
William Orbit.. one of the most respected techno artists in
the world.  Modonna herself said that she wanted to show (with
'Ray of Light') that techno music can express feeling just as well
as any other type of music.  That's why she changed producers..
to William Orbit.  I don't see how anything is wrong with that.
She could have just as easily selected Frankie Bones or John
Aquaviva.  Either way I bet people would talk the same shit 
about it.

For the past 15 years I've heard people bitch about how techno 
(in general) deserves more respect.  Now it's getting that respect and
people are pissed off about it.  WHY ARE YOU PISSED??  If
Trance wasn't so popular this topic would never have been brought up.
It's not just trance now though.. Listen to some of the newer 
'Hip-Hop' tracks.  Many are straight up Trip-Hop.  So I guess
Trip-Hop sucks too.  Wait a second though..  I've heard some
BACKSTREET BOYS songs that are done over a drum & bass track.
I *HATE* the Backdoor Boys more than anything, but that doesn't
make me hate drum & bass.  What about New Order's Techno remix
of Confusion.  I hear that shit on the radio ALL THE TIME.  What
do I do??  TURN IT UP!  Who cares if it's being commercialized.
This is classic techno shit that we were raving to in warehouses
in the early days.

Trance was born more than a decade before it started to gain popularity in
the main stream.  The style wasn't meant to be popular, it just became that
way.  Listening to music just becuase it's NOT popular is just as shallow as
listening to music just because it IS popular.  Saying it sucks for either
reason is even more shallow.
I've loved trance from the beginning.  I always will.  No matter
how popular or unpopular it is.

Ultimately, music is music.  Styles and genres are just labels.
They don't indicate what's good or bad.  Some of you need to 
stop your judgement.  In the end, you sound just like the media
you hate so much.


chris





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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 17 08:30:28 2000
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Fuck you... you promised not to tell anyone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!11


I dont care.. he played NUMBERS by kraftwerk... I'm happy :)




oh yeah I'm very drunk tooo.. ohwell...


tad

At 07:51 PM 3/16/00 -0800, Tiffanie Hamilton wrote:
>
>and this my friends comes from a guy who is all giddy about seeing DJ FUNK
>tonight!
>
>so take it for what itz worth...
>
>but wait.....
>
>i thought dj funk was dead??????????????????
>
>hrmmmm     mass confusion sets in
>
>
>--- Tad <sluck@frontiernet.net> wrote:
>> >I think you picked the wrong list to post that to...
>> 
>> Checks the header... No this is the right list.  Maybe *you* are
>> subscribed
>> to the wrong one?
>> 
>> I think your funny.  techno is dead.  I'm sick of everyone and their
>> mother
>> playing techno.  I'm bored to tears with lifeless souless sets.  As far
>> as
>> I'm concerned techno is dead nothing new nothing interesting there...
>> its
>> been beaten to the ground in the past 5 years.   Sure there are still a
>> few
>> djs that can throw a good set down, but the last time I heard Richie he
>> bored the living shit out of me... (Engage).  The last good techno set I
>> heard was Cari lekebusch (sp?) at Shake it.  It was nice it was
>> different... then everyone and their mother who was already playing
>> techno
>> started playing swedish techno (or whatever european country it Cari and
>> Adam are from).  And you know what? it gets fucking old... so old in
>> fact
>> it is DEAD (IMO) as dead as say rock and roll or classical... to me
>> there
>> is no innovation there is nothing new nothing exciting when I hear it. 
>> I
>> used to love djs like: Carl craig, claude young, Heckyll and jeckyl, 
>> Rob
>> hood; living near columbus and in dayton, I got to hear those guys every
>> other weekend just about.  Ele mental and the Illuminators were all
>> about
>> detroit techno and techno in general.  It was fun... but its time to try
>> something new.   
>> 
>> Florida trance isnt really my thing... but I've yet to catch RITM and
>> everyone I know.. even those who profess hating trance suggest catching
>> it
>> at least once.     
>> 
>> I used to feel the same way about house... I thought it was dead
>> overplayed... then came techno.. now I yearn for good house (luckily its
>> not that hard to come by).  Maybe someday when promoters lay off techno
>> a
>> bit, I'll yearn for a good techno set.  What I'd like to hear now is
>> some
>> good acid... but you cant find that at a club (like house).  OH and of
>> course I want to hear trance.. but lately that doesn't seem to be a
>> problem
>> :) and things just seem to be getting better and better :) 
>> 
>> tad
>> 
>> 
>> fuck trance, I *heart* techno
>> 
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Oh OH me too.  I *heart* me too.

tad


At 08:10 PM 3/16/00 -0800, Tiffanie Hamilton wrote:
>
>amen lorie
>
>
>--- TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
>> In a message dated 16/03/00 6:59:43 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
>> dj_tsar@yahoo.com writes:
>> 
>> << What tickles my nuts though is the fact that many
>>  people who like techno do not have appreciation for
>>  other forms of music. >>
>> 
>> Not so true Misha.
>> I am in total love with Jazz and Classical.
>> I do like some dark DnB also..  
>> and love to drink martini's and listen to jazzy house (i.e.mark farina
>> mixes) 
>> and I am giving some of franks' hc a chance may 6th in pitts..   but ill
>> also 
>> have beyer and barbra for my techno love.
>> techno is what really moves my mind.
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Butt.... wheres the hardcore??????


sorry... gotta say it b4 someone else does.... and damn it gotta find sumfn
to bitch about :)



tad

At 08:43 PM 3/16/00 -0800, Tiffanie Hamilton wrote:
>
>um yeah look at our line up
>
>ALL NIGHT Des Moines Iowa   April 7, 2000
>
>Barbarella   west coast trance
>Double X     techno
>Jon Gotti    uk dnb
>DJ Storm     goa trance
>.Com         ghetto and emcee
>Nnothing     techno
>Jethro       house
>Rorsache     tech house
>
>pretty eclectic i think...
>
>The Invasion
>515-830-1893
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>
>--- Techno Heaven Len <LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com> wrote:
>> Yes ... I enjoy both techno and trance ... and find that they work well
>> together at a rave, either within one DJs set ... or a trance DJ
>> followed by
>> a techno DJ (or vice versa).
>> 
>> Actually ... don't promoters try to have DJs with different styles on
>> the
>> playbill?  And is there a reason to have to have the Techno DJ followed
>> by a
>> Trance DJ (or vice versa)?  I remember somewhere someone mentioning a
>> good
>> way to let the music flow between genres during an entire night.
>> 
>> Len Lindsay ( LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com )
>> Madison-Milwaukee Events, Clubs, Stores, Resources:
>> http://www.technoheaven.com/madison-milwaukee.htm
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: powdered toastman <psenet@cs.uchicago.edu>
>> 
>> > anybody still here that likes techno AND trance?
>> >
>> > dickwads,
>> > toastman
>> 
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At 11:55 PM 3/16/00 EST, TekkgirIie@aol.com wrote:
>fucktrance
>fucktotechno harder
Yes, but FUCK TRANCE DJS,,,, (PLEAASE....... Iknow a few that really need
to get laid)


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> *THAT* was fucking creepy!!

I don't get it...

who's John??

and what does all that bible talk have to do with Stone Cold Steve
Austin???


Somebody give me a HELL YEAH!!!!

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Peace.  I disagree that Trip-Hop is "not hip hop" as some advocate.  They
are not seperate.  Trip Hop IS hip hop.  Peace.


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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Chris Phillips wrote:

> 
> Using 'Ray of Light' as an example of just commercialized trance
> is completely rediculous.  The album draws from almost all
> forms of electronic music: Trip-Hop, House, Ambient, and 
> also Trance.  It commercializes electronic music in general.
> Don't forget that the album was almost entirely produced by
> William Orbit.. one of the most respected techno artists in
> the world.  Modonna herself said that she wanted to show (with
> 'Ray of Light') that techno music can express feeling just as well
> as any other type of music.  That's why she changed producers..
> to William Orbit.  I don't see how anything is wrong with that.
> She could have just as easily selected Frankie Bones or John
> Aquaviva.  Either way I bet people would talk the same shit 
> about it.
> 
> For the past 15 years I've heard people bitch about how techno 
> (in general) deserves more respect.  Now it's getting that respect and
> people are pissed off about it.  WHY ARE YOU PISSED??  If
> Trance wasn't so popular this topic would never have been brought up.
> It's not just trance now though.. Listen to some of the newer 
> 'Hip-Hop' tracks.  Many are straight up Trip-Hop.  So I guess
> Trip-Hop sucks too.  Wait a second though..  I've heard some
> BACKSTREET BOYS songs that are done over a drum & bass track.
> I *HATE* the Backdoor Boys more than anything, but that doesn't
> make me hate drum & bass.  What about New Order's Techno remix
> of Confusion.  I hear that shit on the radio ALL THE TIME.  What
> do I do??  TURN IT UP!  Who cares if it's being commercialized.
> This is classic techno shit that we were raving to in warehouses
> in the early days.
> 
> Trance was born more than a decade before it started to gain popularity in
> the main stream.  The style wasn't meant to be popular, it just became that
> way.  Listening to music just becuase it's NOT popular is just as shallow as
> listening to music just because it IS popular.  Saying it sucks for either
> reason is even more shallow.
> I've loved trance from the beginning.  I always will.  No matter
> how popular or unpopular it is.
> 
> Ultimately, music is music.  Styles and genres are just labels.
> They don't indicate what's good or bad.  Some of you need to 
> stop your judgement.  In the end, you sound just like the media
> you hate so much.
> 
> 
> chris
> 
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Don't wear green today!
That way you can get pinched allllllllll day long..

/me sneaks up on Misha and pinches his buttox.

Oooo laaaa laaaaa
hehehahahoho
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can anyone tell me if this is an all night club.. or a close at 3 
club???????????????


I need to know the general time barbra is going on, and this will help me 
figure that out.

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US-Jungle.com is hosting the Net's most up-to-date and
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Fergus wrote:
> I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one, atomly, and go with
> Rising High Techno Injection 2.

Feel free to disagree with me, I don't mind if you're wrong.  :P

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On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, dj fishead wrote:
> Somebody give me a HELL YEAH!!!!

HELL YEA!  AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE!

Cuz Stone Cold said so.

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In a message dated 3/17/0 6:28:52 PM, nicademus wrote:

<< I received some excellent news yesterday afternoon. 
Approximately 81/2 months from now I am going to be a father!!! 
Yes, Francesca is pregnant and the two of us couldn't be happier! 
A lot of people on this list have given us support and I just wanted 
to thank everyone for the love. Let me assure you that this child will 
taken care of the only way Francesca and I know how, with all our 
love and support. This marks a new and exciting chapter in our lives. 
We are both ready to make an unforgettable journey into the future.

 Peace and Love from Francesca and Nicademus>>

John 3:1 Now there was a man of the Pharises named
Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council.
He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know 
you are a teacher who has come from God.  For no one
could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if
God  were not with him."
    3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one
can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."
    4 "How can a man be born when he is old?"
Nicodemus asked.  "Surely he cannot enter a second time 
into his mother's womb to be born!"
    5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can 
enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water
and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit 
gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my
saying.   'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows 
wherever it pleases.  You hear sound, but you cannot tell
where it comes from or where it is going.  So it is
with everyone born of the Spirit."


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Saturday is SILVERMAN in Madison!  Presale tickets SOLD OUT early Thursday
at Audio Depot - don't know if any are left at Revolutions in Milwaukee. Not
sure about what happens if you arrive without a persale ticket.

Here is the info on Silverman from our Event List:

{Madison} Silverman (Plantation Production)

DJs: Joey Beltram (New York), Skylab 2000 (Live - Los Angeles), Cash Money
(Live - Philadelphia), The Bomb T.o.u.r.e. (5 turntables) Featuring Danny
Tha Wild Child (Chicago - Alongside), Faust and Shortee {RealAudio set}
(Atlanta), Miss Honey Dijon (3 turntables, New York), Silverman (with Dr.
Who), Commissioner Gordon (Milwaukee), Mr. S (Hip Hop / House / Scratch -
Madison - Deceptikon Unit), XsentrX (Madison - House / Trance - Deceptikon
Unit), D Lo & Elliot (Tag Team - Milwaukee), Todd Richmann (New York - House
/ Trance - Deceptikon Unit)

Caged Dancers, Free candy & tapes, Paint your face or color your hair silver
and get a free pair of glow sticks
$20 presales (Revolutions-Milwaukee & Audio Depot-Madison) / Info:
414.299.9140 or 312.332.9716 or Email: Keepraving@aol.com



Len Lindsay ( LenLindsay@TechnoHeaven.com )
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Subsonik Productions Presents SEQUENCE V2.0

An all night electronic music event.
Admission is $5 before midnight $10 after

featuring performances by:

Perry 'Paris' Ellis - 3 to 5, Dirty Loop, Skydata - Cincinnati
Melloman - cbs - Cincinnati
Mike Donovan - The Bounce Theory - Dayton
Seth Clark - Evolution - Lousville
Adam Jensen - Subsonik - Cincinnati
React - Subsonik - Cincinnati
Headstrong - Subsonik, Ruffdrapht - Cincinnati
Spahn - Subsonik, Ruffdrapht - Cincinnati

this event will go from 10pm - 6am. There will be bangin' sound and
minimal lighting in an underground environment.

admission is $5 befoer midnight $10 after.    thanks to everyone for
their support!

call 513.682.3282 or 513.956.9600
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Live  - Friday March 17, 2000 12pm - 6pm

deep-downtempo-atmospheric-ambient Internet radio and at it's best...

Distorted Grooves Radio presents...

"Experience" with your host Kenya DuBois....

You can listen to Distorted Grooves Radio using RealPlayer 7 or Winamp...

Press (Ctrl+L) and enter this IP Address - 166.90.143.143:8534 

If you need to download Real Player go here:
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If you need to download WinAmp go here:
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Thank you all who support Distorted Grooves Radio...
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 17 21:24:58 2000
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Couple of quick notes for those interested:

Owl Service Vol. One is now available (or soon will be) at the following fine 
establishments and areas as noted:

Detroit:  Changes
Chicago:  Gramaphone, Untitled, Supreme, Hip House.
Ohio:  releasing April 7th.
Boston:  April at Forefront Records.

or you can order from us directly but why would you do that.  Volume one 
features A half hour side of dubplates and bristol business from entro as 
well as a b-side ragga pack from the one known as dj Natty.  

Be on the lookout early April for Volume Two featuring Holland's own Dj Eye-d 
and entro on some other shit.

On-site fixed a really stupid problem with Netscape browsers... so both 
resolutions are now browsable with either netscape or i.e... forgive my 
platform exclusiveness.
you can access these changes at the good old faithful... now with no ads... 
MP3's will be back online sometime beginning of next week... addressing a 
location issue.

http://beam.to/entro

Also after experiencing the perks of taste testing some of the new videos 
available from the forthcoming Semiconscious Media... choice prints of Doc 
Butcher M.D. (Zombie Holocaust), a heaping helping of Rudy Ray Moore, as well 
as a new print of Cat in the Brain.  The quality of the stuff I've been 
viewing is none short of amazing... plus we've got a sick print of the 
infamous Story of Ricki Oh... So hold tight in the next couple of weeks as we 
collect all the jpegs of our boxes and assault you with some quality gore and 
baste business.  and be sure to look for our forthcoming booths at your local 
rave cave.

and yes... i will be putting up some new realaudio freestyles soon.

entro

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I always regarded Madonna's "Ray Of Light" to be a good song, what sucked is 
that it was Madonna.

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Subject: [mw] Directions to P A N T Y     R A i D  -- 3/17 -- Friday -- Indy
To: pb-cle-raves@hyperreal.org, puraves@ecn.purdue.edu,
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P A N T Y 
  R A I D

Panty Raid will be held at the Purple Underground (PU)

Begins at 11:30PM
$5 All night

11:30 - 1   Jaede
1 - 2    Charles Paul
2 - 3    Frankie Vega
3 - 4        Deeon
4 - 5        Adam Abstrakt
5 - 6        Dan Dementia

Awwww  yeah......

here are your directions!
Please print them out
and call the info line if you
get lost!

317 592 9236



Bloomington IN

SR 37 North
465 West/South
I-65 North
Raymond Exit
Turn Left off exit
Go to Shelby
Turn Right
Go to Prospect 
Turn Right
Go to State
Park

PU is on the SouthWest corner of State and Prospect


Dayton, Columbus, Springfield OH

I-70 West
go to downtown Indy
I-65 South
Raymond Exit
Turn Right off exit
Go to Shelby (Very next traffic light)
Turn Right
Go to Prospect 
Turn Right
Go to State
Park


Cincy, OH

I-74 West
I-465 West/South
I-65 North
Raymond Exit
Turn Left off exit
Go to Shelby St
Turn Right on Shelby
Go to Prospect
Turn Right 
Go to State
Park

PU is behind the building on the SouthWest corner of State and Prospect


Muncie

I-69 South
465 South
I-70 West
I-65 South
Raymond Exit
Turn Right off exit
Go to Shelby (Very next traffic light)
Turn Right
Go to Prospect 
Turn Right
Go to State
Park

PU is on the SouthWest corner of State and Prospect


StLouis

I-70 East
Into Downtown Indy
I-65 South
Raymond Exit
Turn Right off exit
Go to Shelby (Very next traffic light)
Turn Right
Go to Prospect 
Turn Right
Go to State
Park

PU is on the SouthWest corner of State and Prospect


Chicago

I-65 South 
Past Downtown Indpls
Raymond Exit
Turn Right off exit
Go to Shelby (Very next traffic light)
Turn Right
Go to Prospect 
Turn Right
Go to State
Park

PU is on the SouthWest corner of State and Prospect


Lousiville, KY

I-65 North
Raymond Exit
Turn Left off exit
Go to Shelby 
Turn Right
Go to Prospect 
Turn Right
Go to State
Park

PU is on the SouthWest corner of State and Prospect

Hope to see everyone out in full force!

-HofB

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Just an FYI

Directions to the Pleasure Dome will be posted around 6PM 
Eastern time tomorrow (Sat 3/18)

Safe journey everyone!

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On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:32:49 -0600 dj fishead <fishead@mb.sympatico.ca>
writes:
> > *THAT* was fucking creepy!!
> 
> I don't get it...
> 
> who's John??

It must be John Galt..... wait a minute, John Galt is
an atheist..... nevermind!

Peace and love,

Mike aka Dr. Bläsé
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techno is dead
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Anyone know anything about these tests? Can they be beaten? Is testing the 
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Even if the mouth is flushed, fresh saliva is always being produced and as 
long as the alcohol is in your system, it's being expelled through your 
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Hell YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:P   I love that sonova bitch!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Mar 18 06:43:23 2000
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yo b wuzzzzup
think about what you said again dooky
look at studionova aka mazi 
he writes tracks and does live pa with a live band
guitar, bass, keyboard, turntables, sampler, synths, drum machine  etc..

and it is the absolute shit

gruve - the funky 1


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <TekkgirIie@aol.com>

> In a message dated 16/03/00 4:53:40 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
> insanityfr@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> << Imagine that!  Using INSTRUMENTS and not turntables to
>  make music! 
>  
>  <sarcasm>it's a fucking revelation...</sarcasm>
>  
>  don't mean to sound like an ass, but think about what
>  you wrote!  are we putting the players ahead of the
>  composers?  uh oh...here comes another DJs vs
>  Musicians thread...
>  
>  ;) >>
> 
> 
> 
> Not just  INSTRUMENTS
> 
> man made... 
> that im sure they still use over there...
> and their voices..  
> can not get any more real then african vocals.
> 
> oliver ho's producing has some amazing african women doing the vocals.
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 Spirit316:  have u ever been to a rave?
 JB96:   no
 Spirit316:  have u ever been to a techno dance club?
 JB96:   no - I stay away from there
 JB96:   I'm not into drugs
 Spirit316:  lol, that is the sillyest thing i've ever heard!
 Spirit316: who started that rumor? 
 JB96:   well thank you
 JB96:   an undercover detective friend of mine who asked 
 me to stay away from there
 Spirit316:  even if there were dealers there, what are they 
 gonna shove it down yur throat?
 JB96:   no...he asked me not to go there...so I havent
 Spirit316:  my god, i didn't think people can be so ignorant
 Spirit316:  sorry
 Spirit316:  it's almost like in high school some one started a 
 rumor that a girl was a slut, & everybody avoided her becuz of it
 Spirit316:  when in reality it was started by a jealous girl that 
 made shit up
 

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We are looking for kids that can flier for our 
(Kindred Groove and Boogie Knights) upcoming party,
Vibalicious 2 in the following cities. If you are
interested please email me privately. 

Memphis
Louisville
Omaha
Little Rock
Cincinnati

Thanks =)

Laine Pitt
BK - KG
St. LouisBoogie Knights & Kindred Groove present

VIBALICIOUS 2
St. Louis, MO
May 13, 2000
www.boogieknights.net

$20 Before 11pm
$25 After 11pm
Doors open at 9pm
This event will go untill 7am

Main Area:
The Stickmen - Tag Team - Toronto
Thomas - Wicked Crew - NYC
DJ 3D - Chicago
Exorcist - Moscow
DJ Skip - Chicago
Jethrox - Milwaukee
All Time High - St. Louis

Second Area:
N.9 - Acid Techno - Kansas City
Frankie Vega - Techno -Chicago
Dorian - Jungle - Nashville
Tim Krochalk - Tribal House - Indianapolis
Neight - Trance - Memphis
Jamie D - Jungle - St. Louis
Stan Doublin - House - St. Louis
Bodaleg - House - St. Louis

$100 CASH prize tropical costume contest

This event will be held in a 100% legal venue with a
4000 person capacity. Sorry, no gum or candy will be
allowed in.

The main room will feature programmed intelligent
lighting combined with two fully animated 2.3 watt
lasers. 

First Aid is available on site. They call him a
licensed EMT, but we call him Greg the  paramedic.
Greg will be on call with his ambulance to ensure any
medical problems  are handled promptly.


Websites:
www.boogieknights.net
www.kindredgroove.com
www.syquil.com
www.stickmanrecords.com

Email:
boogieknights@boogieknights.net

Main Lines:
Boogie Knights - 314-995-9215             
Kindred Groove - 314-567-2041

Support Lines -
Superstars of Love - 314-994-1114
Bionic - 314-995-6245
Krazobeats - 417-875-6527
Syceda Rythym - 816-871-5151
House of Bablyon - 317-592-9236
Muzique Boutique - 317-592-9536
FUNK Enterprises - 317-375-7744
Mushgroove - 773-509-6869
Pushpac Productions - 773-509-6844
Silver Promotions - 901-529-0498
Jungle Juice - 901-277-3431
CyberTribe - 501-340-3801
Drop Bass Network - 262-548-1888
Phul Phunk - 402-467-9142

***
You know that feeling that you get when you're on
the dance floor and it's that perfect moment of inter
connectivity?  The bass is pounding through your body,
and you can feel the energy inside you uniting with
the energies of every single person in the room. 
These are those special moments that we experience at
parties few and far between these days, but the search
for them keeps us coming back for more, dancing and
sweating and longing to become ONE with everyone and
everything  around us. Yearning to melt into infinity.
 It happens, you know it does, if only for a  fleeting
moment, a part of your mind clicks on and you plug
into the collective  consciousness, and flow along its
rhythm.  But only for a moment.  We need more of 
those moments, they are glimpses into the next level
of cosmic connectivity. The VIBE is already alive
here in St. Louis, but we need to CONNECT with each
other.   On May 13th, in the year 2000, come and 
CONNECT us within the safety of the  St. Louis VIBE as
Kindred Groove and The Boogie Knights present:
Vibalicious 2, Tropically Twisted.
 



















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 SURROUND SOUND !!          **CD Release Event** 
Nashville , TN 
March 18th, 2000
@ Electronic Groovebox
 $10 w/ Can good
18+ w/ ID !!!!!!!!
 * * The FIRST 15  people @ the door will recive a  FREE CD !!
Djs:
3 hours set
Ashley Power - global recordings
On this night Ashley shall prove himself on the decks and on the machine as 
he will give you a 3 hour presentation giving you the best of both worlds. 
This will truly be a rare Trance performence that you do NOT want to miss 
!!!!!!

3 hour set
DORIAN - Bulletproof 515 w/ special guest MC Marv- C
In support of his new "Bulletproof" CD.  D will bust 3 hours of nuthin but 
the Drum and the Bass. His set will be a blind of Jump-Up Ragga to Tech and 
Dark. Then back to the rollers !!

Adron Lebeau - Lebeau Pro.
Mr. Porter will be delivering us his best performence with a set consisting 
of Progressive House and Hard House, Thats gona leave your ass movin up and 
down the dance floor.

Starting of the night will the Lovely Dj DESIRE , you do NOT want to miss 
this beauty in action !!!!

 Doors : 9pm-  ? ? ?
NO : Drugz , Weapons or BAD VIBES !!!! PLEASE !!!!
info line : 615-960-4432
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> Spirit316:  have u ever been to a rave?
> JB96:   no
<snip>

I didn't quite get this whole conversation.  I guess I'm just not into
IMing random people and asking them about raves.  Maybe I'm only here.

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Is this where I go to talk about ecstasy and underground rave parties?   I
heard about them on CNN and they sound cool.

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(i hope this didn't send twice)

Absinthe is a fortnight event on Saturdays in Bloomington/Normal, IL
showcasing up and coming Midwest talent.  Brought to you by the Central
Illinois Alliance (C.I.A.)


03.18.2000

DICA                        Massive Magazine        Madison, WI
EVERCLEER               Strobehouse         Chicago, IL
DJ IMPACT                   Organic Grooves     Urbana, IL
D.P.M.                      C.I.A.                  Bloomington, IL
DJ WEB                  C.I.A.                  Normal, IL
YORK                        C.I.A.                  Bloomington, IL
FRANKIE J.              C.I.A./Raverworld.com   Chicago, IL


Main Info line: Central Illinois Alliance 309-823-0303
Location: The Gallery 111 E. Beaufort, downtown Normal, IL 309-452-8040
Times: 10PM until atleast 5AM
Cost: $5
Ages: 18 to get down, 21 to get drunk.  IDs REQUIRED-NO EXCEPTIONS


...........................................................
.......  jon/dica - massive honky - angel of death  .......
...........................................................
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arrived. The weapon at that point was emptied," he added.
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Enttro sed: 

            >I not only judge a dj by his records, mixes, style, and sound; but also 
            >my perceived reason for why he/she does what he/she does.  Does anyone 
            >else think this way?  How important is it to *you* that the 
            >dj's/promoters  heart is in the right place?  Does it matter??   I hope 
            >so............. 

            hell yeah it matters!  with my roots in the punk scene, where people's hearts are at makes a HUGE difference
            with me.  sometimes it's difficult to know, when you're dealing with people halfway across the country, but it's
            still not that hard to smell bullshit. 

            if all a motherfucker wants to do is play some records, get his/her cash and jet...one has to wonder how much
            he/she really cares about what he/she is doing.  why bother?  why not just get a real job that you can not care
            about?  why waste my time?  i'm sure all of us have seen "big" name djs look like they'd rather be sitting at
            home watching tv than playing for you.  maybe they SHOULD stay at home if that's the attitude they're going
            to project. 

            the day this becomes a "job" is the day i quit.  fuck that.  this is what i love, and frankly i don't give two shits
            about some asshole who doesn't want to dig on the music and the vibe of what they create with two turntables
            (or little shiny boxes or whatever). 

            and lemme tell ya, i've met a few "big" name mofos whose work i respected who acted like complete shitnuts
            when i met them.  i've never spent a penny more on their records either.  i'll miss a good track if i know that the
            soul behind it is empty.  and i'll miss a few bucks if it means steering clear of shady mofos or if it means playing
            for next to nothing for good people. 

            i'm rambling now (i'm hungover and slightly dumb today), so i'll just shut up now. 

            shiva 

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>I think most ravers probably feel like RaversBlow do. 
>They don't give much thought to motivation behind the
>music, but only the music itself.

well, if everyone just paid attention to what "most people" think, there'd be nothing at all except overcommercialized, soulless pap to listen to.  fortunately, some people DO care about the FEELING that goes into music, and it shows.  

so, is music just supposed to be an endless, random pattern of notes made simply for consumption and background noise?  or is it an expression of the individual artist to convey a feeling, an emotion or a message?  i tend to think that without the feeling BEHIND music, it IS only a random series of notes.  it means nothing without the soul of the artist injected into its sounds.

anyhow, considering that "most ravers" are "sheeple", running after whatever the corporate media decides to shove down their throats this week, i don't really give a fuck what most ravers think.  i'll continue to put myself and my thoughts into my music; and i'll continue to enjoy the feeling that comes from being true to yourself.

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Matt-

pleasurable meeting you Friday with tommie. I can't remember your email so 
hit me back privately.

much love,
kitten

(ps- as soon as I get that picture of you and the dementia raver developed, 
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Actually, this the place where you can come talk about your alien anal
probing adventures using the ubiquitous glowstick.
-choppie

On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, atomly wrote:

> Is this where I go to talk about ecstasy and underground rave parties?   I
> heard about them on CNN and they sound cool.
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what?

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alright chad!

On Thu, 16 Mar 2000, Derek Plaslaiko wrote:

> Wookiepants.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jes <jes@pubnix.org>
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> >> in your skin tight butt huggers? not a chance....
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> >ASSPANTS!!!
> >
> >* * *
> >
> >and now I exercise the basic law of Bastard Operating which roughly says,
> >Bastard Operators don't just win. anyone can win. Bastard Operators win
> >and totally DEMORALISE. that's *real* winning.
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Okay, I was going to go to 'Stairway to Headphones 3: Laughing Forever' 
tonight, and I knew this for about a week, I had a ride down to Minneapolis 
(from duluth) and back all lined up. I had the money. Then my friends Becca 
and D'awn had to go and have their 18th birthday parties tonight at the 
Blackbear Casino/Hotel, I told them both sorry, I can't make it because of 
the rave, but they begged me and my friend Trisha told me that she would give 
me a ride and said I really should go. So I cancelled my plans to go to the 
rave. Well today I tried calling Trisha over and over for about an hour and 
half, by this time it was already too late to try to even drive down to 
Minneapolis to catch the rave. The line was busy for soooo long. Then, I 
called my friend Tim (Trisha's boyfriend) and they had plans at to stay in 
tonight because his parents are out of the house. So my ride to EVERY DAMNED 
PARTY THIS WEEKEND IS SHOT!!!!! I ended up drinking coffee at fucking Country 
Kitchen and my entire weekend so far is ABSOLUTELY UNPRODUCTIVE. I just 
needed to vent.

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...how good and how gross a swirly would've been tonight...

g'nite all

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Hey folks, I'm wanting to pick up some new headphones as the ones I have are great in the studio but suck for spinning out at party.  Can any other DJs out there point me to some good ones out there?  I guess it goes with out
saying I want good, loud lows-mids-highs, but I want something loud.  I primarily mix "in-the-headphones", so I want something that can drown out shitty monitors and noisy DJ booth onlookers =)
lookin to spend around $100 but not really averse to goin up to $175-$200 if I HAVE TO.

Thanks, and please reply via Email if ya can :)

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Dave Clark was amazing!  rawked the house!  used that pioneer (600?) like a
lil bitch!  at the end of his set he went off into ghetto house land...was
funny funny shite!  it was a mile high party so i had plenty of speaker room
too  =)   Aphrodite...well, eh...i dunno...wasn't diggin' but that is my own
opinion....other kidz were diggin'....lotz of other kidz were diggin'...and
then i went home...back to iowa...

oh and Woody played a good good set too...the last couple of tracks i wasn't
so sure about but oh wellz...the rest was tight...and Jack Trash vs. Carl
Who? was fun...JT dressed up like a girlie wiff big 'ol titties....even
added padding to give the curvy hips look...i was impressed!  ;)  i even
danced a lil...i was diggin' for a sec...house usually isnt where itz at for
me...it was a fun set...and a fun party...and now i am tired...so i shall
leave...

peace
hecate

The Invasion Series 01
ALL NIGHT
Des Moines, IA
April 7, 2000
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> Okay, I was going to go to 'Stairway to Headphones 3: Laughing Forever'
> tonight, and I knew this for about a week, I had a ride down to
Minneapolis
> (from duluth) and back all lined up. I had the money. Then my friends
Becca
> and D'awn had to go and have their 18th birthday parties tonight at the
> Blackbear Casino/Hotel, I told them both sorry, I can't make it because of
> the rave, but they begged me and my friend Trisha told me that she would
give
> me a ride and said I really should go. So I cancelled my plans to go to
the
> rave. Well today I tried calling Trisha over and over for about an hour
and
> half, by this time it was already too late to try to even drive down to
> Minneapolis to catch the rave. The line was busy for soooo long. Then, I
> called my friend Tim (Trisha's boyfriend) and they had plans at to stay in
> tonight because his parents are out of the house. So my ride to EVERY
DAMNED
> PARTY THIS WEEKEND IS SHOT!!!!! I ended up drinking coffee at fucking
Country
> Kitchen and my entire weekend so far is ABSOLUTELY UNPRODUCTIVE. I just
> needed to vent.
>
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this is so artsy!



At 10:05 AM -0800 3/16/00, slow poke wrote:
>Wow deepfog i never would of deepfog thought that deepfog all deepfog my
>listening deepfog pleasure is but a deepfog hyperlink away.  Man, deepfog
>technology these deepfog days...  And deepfog it's deepfog so great to
>deepfog 'get deepfog the word' deepfog out thus allowing deepfog the
>hundreds deepfog if not deepfog thousands to deepfog share deepfog in the
>deepfog deepfog joy of free deepfog music.  Thank you deepfog Kim.  I
>deepfog , for deepfog one, appreciate deepfog your efforts deepfog and
>deepfog thoughtfulness to deepfog bring deepfog that message deepfog
>across deepfog the deepfog US rave deepfog mailing lists deepfog.
>
>geez deepfog I deepfog hope that deepfog the deepfog Fates shine deepfog
>upon deepfog some indiviuals deepfog that deepfog randomly deepfog
>indiscremitaly delete deepfog messages deepfog and cause deepfog them
>deepfog not to deepfog click deepfog on your's deepfog Kim. deepfog It
>deepfog would be deepfog a deepfog grand shame deepfog to deepfog miss out
>deepfog on one deepfog of deepfog the only deepfog things deepfog that
>these lists deepfog as deepfog a whole deepfog can aggree deepfog  on...
>
>deepfog.
>
>music.
>
>
>(P.s. if you thought this was totally wacky.. try:
>
>http://www.neoism.org/squares/berndt_smile6_comb.html
>
>For a twist -and not twisty kitties)
>
>-A.
>netsurfingforthepursuitofandevoultionofthegrouppsycheforabetterplurrierworld.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Kim Pimmel" <spyhunter@raveworld.net>
>Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 02:50:30 -0800
>To: spyhunter@raveworld.net
>Subject:  hundreds of mp3s!!!
>
>
>> check out hundreds of links to working MP3 files!!
>>
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Alright everyone, it's only a week away, everyone
better have their boogie booties ready to bounce for
baby's boogies birthday bash COSMIC BOOGIE JAM!!

Boogie Knights Invite YOU to our First Birthday Party

COSMIC BOOGIE JAM
March 25 2000
St. Louis, MO

To be held at a 100% clean legal VIRGIN venue 
Doors open at 10:00 pm
Info: 314-567-2041 

URL: www.boogieknights.net
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Only $15!

MODA - First St. Louis appearance EVER!
       Trancefusion, San Fran. Trance. 
Mr. Mistykiss - Atlanta, House
Matt Positive - Chicago, Happy Hardcore
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Dankskii - St. Louis, Trance
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Gadjit - St. Louis, Booty House
Kwickid - Ohio, House

What to expect:
Out of this world lights and sound
Cosmic Costume Contest
Lots of surprises and groovey giveaways


The Boogie Knights team up with Kindred Groove for
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looking for your ever oppionated (and much loved) thoughts =p

what role do religion and science play in our lives? what should they play?


peace-
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 19 20:58:41 2000
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You are in luck today my friend. At the moment the best pair of head phones 
to do exactly what you've asked are called Sennheiser. Their made in Germany, 
I bought them in Australia in Dec. And hands down they are the best. I paid 
three hundred for them their but, I believe that they don't cost that much 
here. If anyone(D.J. or consumer) gets the chance to listen to them, take 
what ever you think are the best headphones out here with you to compare. 
I've been D.J.ing for 15 years and I wouldn't stear you wrong....Paul 
Johnson...

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 19 21:02:02 2000
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i think it's very hard to have both of these present without puttin sum leway 
on either one.  religion to me plays less of a role, prolly because of my own 
ignorance but i like to look at scientific reasons for things.  science and 
technology is such a big part of societies ways that they tent to overlook 
religion....i got sucked up in it too

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I have alwyas used science and God as my belief system. You can not have one
without the other in my opinion. Science is the universe around us as we can
see and explain it. God is the whole which we can not understand fully or
explain with proof....and both as one fullfill everything to me as a
spiritual human being.
There was a great article on this in Time Magazine last year. Did anyone
pick it up??

Rania



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>looking for your ever oppionated (and much loved) thoughts =p
>
>what role do religion and science play in our lives? what should they play?
>
>
>peace-
>chad
>
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>(Arthur O'Shaughnessy)
>
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> You are in luck today my friend. At the moment the best pair of head
phones
> to do exactly what you've asked are called Sennheiser. Their made in
Germany,
> I bought them in Australia in Dec. And hands down they are the best. I
paid
> three hundred for them their but, I believe that they don't cost that much
> here. If anyone(D.J. or consumer) gets the chance to listen to them, take
> what ever you think are the best headphones out here with you to compare.
> I've been D.J.ing for 15 years and I wouldn't stear you wrong....Paul
> Johnson...
>

indeed the sennheiser's are really clear.
i use sony v700a's,  i think the audio quality is better then any other
headphones in that price range of $150
the 7509's are nice too
if  you want something a lil cheaper i would go with the 900's
that run about $100

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sun Mar 19 22:31:07 2000
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I read the book 'THE GOD PART OF THE BRAIN' and recommend it to anyone with
an interest in science vs. religion... http://www.godpart.com/

if any of you are interested in more of this sort of stuff, Mathew Alper
(the author of that book) is a common guest on Art Bell (http://artbell.com)
and you can listen to archives of past shows that he has been a guest on
from his web site via real audio...

-t

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looking for your ever oppionated (and much loved) thoughts =p

what role do religion and science play in our lives? what should they play?


peace-
chad

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>  
>  PLUR is just a bullshit thing created by newskool party kids who have no
>  concept of what a party really is.  
>  Because back in the day we didn't need
>  PLUR.... you just knew.  You just felt.  It just was.
>  
>  Think on that.  And stop saying the word.
>  
>  Hahaha... okay, well, that was ME he
>  (mis)quoted... and before he gets
>  his ass flamed for making an anti-plur comment (how
>   plur-ry) let me rise to
>  his/my defense:
>  
>  (A) PLUR is a concept introduced by the new school.
>   Raves, techno, it wasn't
>  about preaching respect - why? Cause there WAS
>   respect. You don't need to
>  preach something when everyone believes it and
>   lives it. It was communal
>  because we were doing something, sharing something,
>   that a very few others
>  on the planet were. It was like skateboarding back
>   in the oldschool (don't
>  even tell me you remember unless you ever owned a
>   skateboard without a
>  front-kick several generations before symmetrical
>  boards...)... you'd get
>  ridiculed so much for being a skater, being so
>   different from everyone
>  else - that other skaters respected you for being
>   out there and pounding
>  ground with them. You could always ALWAYS get help
>   from another skater, just
>  because you skated, they skated. You'd both been
>   pushed around by the cops
>  and your parents. Now it's all image, a bunch of
>   cocky punks with mommy's
>  money hoping to get laid 'cause they can pull the
>   latest squirrel flip or
>  whatever. It wasn't about that. Techno was the same
>  way - we had so much
>  respect for people who felt what we felt with the
>  music that you just had a
>  mutual respect. We didn't need to say it, didn't
>   need to announce it.
>  
>    Why isn't it the same anymore? Because raves are
>   no longer underground.
>  You're not sharing anything at a rave and if you
>   THINK you are, wait until
>  you've been in the scene for 5 or more years. I've
>   been in it 10. If you
>  THINK the rave scene is still underground, ask
>   yourself why they announce it
>  on radios... why promoters put out tens of
>   thousands of flyers PER RAVE. The
>  people couldn't care less about the music now, it's
>   the money, it's the
>  drugs. Prove me wrong when 90% of the alt.rave
>   posts are drug related. Drugs
>  were prominent before but it wasn't 16 year old
>   k-holers doing it, and now
>  it's become one GIANT fuck-fest of promoters and
>   dealers trying to make
>  money any way shape or form they can.
>  
>      We never had gangs walking around robbing
>   people right on the
>  dancefloor.
>  
>     So WHY do I ridicule PLUR? Because IT'S NOT
>   REAL. I walk around at raves,
>  I get pushed, threatened, and glared at because I
>  don't wear your candy-ass
>  shit. Why? Cause when raves started we wore what we
>   wanted. IF we got
>  dressed up it was black vinyl, leather, and
>   spikes... sometimes silly stuff
>  but NEVER to attract a 16-year old cutie. PLUR
>   isn't DEAD - It never
>  EXISTED. It was made up as a candy-coated pill for
>   you ALL to swallow and
>  believe that you have friends at raves. YOU DON'T.
>  If you DID then WHY can't
>  I leave my jacket in the corner without it getting
>   STOLEN or picked
>  through??? PLUR was a conveniently abused phrase to
>   get other people to
>  trust them so YOU ALL WOULD PUT UP WITH THE SHIT
>   THAT RAVES GIVE YOU KIDS
>  NOWADAYS!!
>     PLUR? BULLSHIT. How can you list PLUR on a flyer
>   for a party that costs
>  $35??? HOW can you list PLUR on a flyer that you
>   intend to charge $5 for
>  water??
>  
>      PLUR? Plur is that excuse that means your dirty
>   mouth can sip my water.
>      PLUR? Plur is that excuse that means your
>   friends can cut me in line.
>      PLUR? Plur is that excuse that means you won't
>   fight for yourself when
>  someone is stealing your belongings, robbing your
>   friends, dealing you bunk
>  shit, pushing you out of their way, or even just
>   walking into your
>  dance-space.
>      WHAT has PLUR ever done for you??
>      HAVE you ever been to a party sober?? Did you
>   feel loved? Try it
>  sometime. Try dressing normal and see how different
>   people react to you.
>  Wow! But if PLUR existed, nothing would be
>   different, right? No way. PLUR
>  depends on what drugs you are on, what colors you
>   wear, and how well you
>  share. Sounds like a GANG to me.
>  
>     PLUR was a hippy ideal, not techno. It came from
>   good intentions but got
>  soiled when it all of a sudden became a way for all
>   you 14 year olds to try
>  and convince mummy and daddy that it's safe for you
>   to stay out all night
>  long.
>     PLUR is this great convenient FRONT for people
>   YOU CALL YOUR FRIENDS to
>  smile to your face as they hand you a fake pill -
>  which when you realize
>  it's fake you and your hippy wanna-be friends are
>   too docile to realize that
>  you SHOULD be beating the shit out of the guy.  PLUR is NAIVE. People
have to 
>  EARN your respect.
>   You can't just hand that
>  out and wait until it's TAKEN away - that's not
>   street-smart. There is ALOT
>  to be said for prejudice on a self-preservation
>   level - IE, stay away from
>  sketchy people - WHICH, if you do, and don't
>   fucking flame me back saying
>  you aren't prejudice because we ALL ARE, you are
>   NOT abiding by PLUR.
>  
>  (B) PLUR - great on paper. Doesn't mean shit in a
>   roomful of strangers. It
>  really doesn't. People approach me thinking that
>   because my shirt is cool I
>  must think like them. Well, I don't. Music is great
>   but it DOES NOT DICTATE
>  SOMEONE'S PERSONALITY... nor does it dictate
>   whether someone deserves your
>  Unity, your Love, or your Respect. Peace? That
>   term, too, came from the
>  hippy movement - a bunch of idiots who'd like to
>   see us disarm and be happy.
>  Great, you be a hippy in your own damn country,
>   we'll sit here with the
>  nukes. When someone ELSE wants to take your soil,
>   don't complain to us - you
>  wanted our weapons OUT.
>   
>  (B1) - PEACE - There IS NO PEACE among humans. Why?
>   Because assholes think
>  that they've got to drop steroids and push people
>   around. Because dealers
>   think it's okay to hand you sugar-pills. Because 18
>   year old boys haven't
>  assured themselves that their dick-size is normal.
>   And many more. There's so
>  many factors which dictate how there is truly no
>   peace among a large enough
>  body of humans. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES US SPECIAL,
>   UNIQUE.
>  
>  (B2) - LOVE - There IS NO LOVE among ravers. Why?
>   Because your
>  methamphetamines only make a FALSE sense that
>  people like me like people
>  you. I don't. I don't know you well enough to know
>   that I love you. I love
>  my FRIENDS. Until you have some justified reason to
>  call yourself my friend, kindly quit cutting me in line, asshole, and
quit
>   quoting PLUR.
>  
>  (B3) - UNITY - There is no unity in a bunch of
>   pacifists... that's like
>  organized anarchists. Unity DOES NOT CONFORM WITH
>   PEACE. Unity IMPLIES THAT
>  THERE IS SOMETHING OUT THERE TO UNITE AGAINST, YOU
>   NITWITS!!! UNITING
>  AGAINST SOMETHING MEANS UNREST, NOT PEACE!!
>  
>  (B4) - RESPECT - Respect is like love. You don't
>   and shouldn't give it out
>  to anyone who approaches you. Part of what makes
>   RESPECT so special is that
>  it must be EARNED. Giving it out to everyone
>   NULLIFIES RESPECT, and you are
>  at square one.
>  
>  and finally
>  
>  (C) Plur is a nice ideal, sure. It sounds great.
>   Unfortunately, it's
>  carefully crafted to the newer introductees to
>   techno. It's not what techno
>  is about. It's not what music is about. And most
>   importantly, it's really
>  NOT what raves are about. It's FAKE. People that
>   quote PLUR are among the
>  first people who would happily take a $20 bill you
>   drop while dancing. Sure,
>  there are plenty of great people out there that
>   won't. I AM ONE OF THEM TOO.
>  However, you won't find me quoting PLUR as I return
>   your lost money. I did
>  it because I'm a good person. I don't need to
>   provide some PC term to prove
>  I'm legit, I just AM.
>      If PLUR were REAL, you wouldn't have to
>   question it. You wouldn't have
>  to PREACH it. It would be at raves and you would
>   just KNOW it. It's NOT.
>  There are people at raves that WANT to hurt you,
>  that WANT to take your
>  money. These are people that PREY off your false
>   belief in PLUR, that use
>  your naive RESPECT to rob you RIGHT AT YOUR FACE.
>  
>  Go ahead, flame me. Prove me RIGHT. The P for PEACE
>   means you should be
>  accepting, and loving to what I have to say, not
>   ANGERED, as I'm sure some
>  of you are. The R for RESPECT means that being a
>   PLUR-ite you shouldn't
>  detract from my tirade by negative comments.
>  
>  So now SUCK IT. If you have to HIDE behind PLUR to
>   shield your insecurities
>  that you are HUMAN and have certain character flaws
>   that MAKE you human,
>  then you are ALREADY not one of us - Forget UNITY,
>   we DON'T WANT YOU if you
>  can't handle your own humanity.
>  
>  
>  It was NEVER this way when raves began. You went,
>  you danced, you met some
>  people, you popped some pills, dropped some hits,
>   and had a good time. We
>  didn't need to equate it to PLUR, WHY? Because you
>   were a good person. I
>  can't wear a "Plays Well With Others" shirt to get
>   respect, I have to EARN
>  respect. With respect comes unity. With unity comes
>  love, and with love,
>  PEACE. I can achieve ALL OF THIS without hiding
>   behind a cliche or preaching
>  about how WRONG others are for not believing my
>   naive ideals...
>  
>  It starts with picking up that $20, tapping that
>   person on the shoulder, and
>  handing it to them with a smile.
>  
>  Unfortunately, it's the PLUR kids that are the
>   first ones I've seen that
>  will grab it and run - and it's my friends that
>   HATE what PLUR stands for
>  (not the acronym, but the cliche) that will be the
>   FIRST to gain your
>  respect by honesty.
>  
>  
>  With that, a hearty FUCK PLUR. I respect people on my own terms. I
RESERVE
>  the RIGHT to RESPECT or DISRESPECT as I see fit -
>   that is what makes ME,
>  HUMAN.
>  
>  
>  cosinezero
>





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Get with the program...I posted this ages ago!

sheesh ;p

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I uploaded the live mix from Murphy's Law in Minneapolis this past friday. 
It's posted on my webpage in MP3 and real audio. 53 minutes of 
Trancecore/Freeform. It gets really hard so it's not for the faint of heart.

http://members.xoom.com/tilzs

Enjoy.

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Today i was at the mall (Briarwood in Ann Arbor, if you care) with some
friends. A couple smiling guys who looked about 19 stopped us and asked
"Hey, do you go to parties?" I said "yeah", and they handed us flyers.  I
was gonna talk to 'em, ask some questions, but they seemed to be in a hurry
and took off as soon as the flyers were in our hands.

I looked at the flyer later, it's for a party called "Nocturne" in Detroit
on 15 April. I remember hearing about this, it's supposed to be a pretty
big party.

But why are people handing out flyers in the mall? That's just WIERD. Maybe
they got a high-capacity venue and want to fill it to the brim?

Anyway, i'm all for introducing newbies to raves (hell, i'm one myself),
but it seems that if you're handing out flyers at the mall you're gonna get
a _lot_ of people who don't know what they're all about, which would
probably result in a pretty crappy party. I can just imagine a lot of
people wearing ambercrombie and fitch sitting on the sides complaining
about the loud music and wondering wtf they're supposed to be doing. :)

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to hand out flyers in a mall,
i'm just curious about what they're doing, cause it's so wierd.



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>but it seems that if you're handing out flyers at the mall you're gonna get
>a _lot_ of people who don't know what they're all about, which would
>probably result in a pretty crappy party. I can just imagine a lot of
>people wearing ambercrombie and fitch sitting on the sides complaining
>about the loud music and wondering wtf they're supposed to be doing. :)
>

Just go up to them and tell them they should be doing the hokey pokey...

cuz...

o/~ that's what it's all about! o/~

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I like the Sony's for mixing, I'm about to get pair of the 7506's which are
around $100. The best feature they have is that they fold up all nice and
compact!
j
:
: indeed the sennheiser's are really clear.
: i use sony v700a's,  i think the audio quality is better then any other
: headphones in that price range of $150
: the 7509's are nice too
: if  you want something a lil cheaper i would go with the 900's
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If anyone has any information on *Super Heroes* in Chicago April 29th, please 
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That's bullshit.  The simple "truth" is that science tells how things are
done but doesn't tell WHY it's done.  Religions attempt to answer this.


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In a message dated 3/20/0 1:09:03 AM, dani2 wrote:

<<Science=Truth
Religion=For people who cant accept the truth>>

That's not true.

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Science=Truth
Religion=For people who cant accept the truth
Love=So real                                                                    
         Pain=The realest feeling that you will ever feel                       
                    friends=only one will ever be true                          
                                 family=No one in this world can ever love 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 20 02:32:39 2000
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Why do you need to know WHY its done?
Accept the beauty that it simply IS.






At 07:13 PM 3/19/00 -0600, Jerome C. Austriaco II wrote:
>That's bullshit.  The simple "truth" is that science tells how things are
>done but doesn't tell WHY it's done.  Religions attempt to answer this.



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revision of danny's post to tell how *i* feel...

science = truth
organized religion = crutch
spirituality = a whole other story

i don't really care for the hellfire and brimstone version of christianity
that i was spoonfed from the time i was little til i got old enough to
realize what a crock of shit it all was. (the catholic church will turn
anyone into a cynic if they are smart enough and strong willed enough to
let it.) heheh.  trying to live your life as "godly" as some christians
say you have to is about as unreasonable as being a wandering buddhist or
hindu ascetic all your life. 

i *do*, however, think that there is *something* there. just not the
atypical jealous, mean, damning *God* that the christians profess to be
their saviour. how is someone so supposedly benevolent and kind going to
be a bastard like the bible portrays him to be in the old testament and in
revelations.  i do not believe that fear tactics are justification to say
that you love a "God" because then you are only being "good" or "godly"
out of fear of something bad happening to you. i figure that science is
just the study of all the wonderful crazy beings and elements that have
been put here on this earth (and universe) and that science and
spirituality can mix. there really is nothing that says that "god" or
whatever the fuck you wanna call him didn't cause "the big bang" or
evolution. people just like to be upright fundamentalists who want to
cause problems with people seeking the truth and saying that someone
somewhere along the lines was full of shit before them. they might be
proven wrong and *THAT CANNOT HAPPEN*. that would be a tragedy and a half. 
<yeahyeah>

anyway...that is just how i feel. i cannot really explain spirituality to
you in words. cuz i just cannot do it. cannot put words on something like
that. something you just gotta find yourself. and i am sure that everyone
has different feelings on that. i can only say what works for me works for
me. whatever works for someone else, let it be that.  =) but of course,
i'm sure i will get reamed for even saying that much because i know how
people loooooooooooove to do that on this list. 

okay. off to schleep now. gotta belly fulla sashimi again. mmmm.
lauryn.

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Yet more bullshit.  First off, I said that's what religions attempt to
do.  I did not say that I myself need to know why it's done.  Secondly,
why should I accept "beauty as it is" or whatever the hell you're talking
about just because you say so?  Why fault people if they want to delve
deeper into whatever "beauty" and look beneath the surface?  Remember, the
unexamined life is not worth living.  If you can't even tell me who said
that, then you have no business even trying to debate this.  
Jerry

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Bak*Edit wrote:

> Why do you need to know WHY its done?
> Accept the beauty that it simply IS.
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> At 07:13 PM 3/19/00 -0600, Jerome C. Austriaco II wrote:
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> >done but doesn't tell WHY it's done.  Religions attempt to answer this.
> 
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What can I say?  It was yet again, an incredible night of family, love, good 
vibes and GOOD vitamins!  :)

I had a great time this weekend!  This party was so perfect from the start.  
Here's looking at all the parties still to come.  :)  Here's some shouts 
outs that are simply mandatory:

Gor/Steve/Sergey - Much love to ya brothers for the trust of having yet 
another successful party in your home.  We be down widdit.

Sixty-bus!!! - Jen!!!  You are the coolest girl I have EVER had the pleasure 
of meeting!  I LOVE you SOOOOO much!  So, we must party and hug each other a 
LOT!  You're my one and only *ah ah* SUPERONI *ah ah* BANG BANG: *ah ah* 
Queen! of the Desert(tm).  *HUGS*  "I'll beat that bitch with a bat...I'll 
beat that bitch with a bat..."  :)


John - To a very intelligent and wickedly funny man...much love and light!

Everyone new to me last night:  It was a PLEASURE to share a great night of 
good music, love and happiness with you all!  I love you all and give you my 
respect for truly "keeping it real."  *HUGS*

Love,

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I'm clearing out a few of my newer progressive trance records.  All are in 
perfect shape with some sleeve wear. Artist-Title-Label

The Quest - C Sharp/Shaken Not Stirred/Solitude - In Trance We Trust
DJ Robyn - Cosmos/Microcosmos - Deep Blue Recordings
Force Majeure - Redemption original + rmx - additive
Mars and Mystre - Electric Blue original + O. Lieb rmx - Frequency 8
Steve Gibbs - Run to the Future original + club mix - Eve
DJ Vivid - Heatwave/Eclipse - Multi Vision

I'm asking $45 for the lot, shipping included, or $7 each, shipping extra.  
I've also got a few of a friend's happy hardcore records for sale, all in 
great condition. 

Hit me back if _sincerely_ interested.

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I like the Sony's myself.  For studio use go with the Sien's, for playing
out go with the Sony's cause they're far more durable than any other
headphone out there...


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Yeah I would agree with that, the sony's have been good to me.  I could be 
wrong too, but I think the Sennheiser's are an open ear design, so you kind 
of get alot of sound leaking in from outside noise.  

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i hear that, pioneers are nice but for people that have big ears 
it kinda sucks cause the speaker piece is small, so if you have dumbo
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> I like the Sony's myself.  For studio use go with the Sien's, for playing
> out go with the Sony's cause they're far more durable than any other
> headphone out there...
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discuss something halfway intelligent? i'm feeling my intelligence drain
with each post i read.

183 left to go....i guess i'll be taking the short bus tomorrow

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that's not true people. The Senn's completely drown out surrounding sound. I 
agree about the Sony's but, for studio and D.J.ing gigs the Senn's kick 
everybodies asses. You can tweek the Hi's--Mid's--And Lows with no distortion 
And thier twice as loud as the sony's. All you have to do is take a listen to 
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OK I'll try to spur something intelligent.  I have a question for everyone.  
Here goes......How does light originate and travel through space??  Sounds 
easy enough, hehe.

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the new and improved genre!!!

trance sucks and techno is dead. do you people have any idea how silly you
really sound?

do you actually put forth effort and time into these posts? that's kinda
creepy, actually.

pixie

(prize to the first person who flames me!!! c'mon...YOU CAN DO IT!! make
sure to include some witty biting remark about how my putting forth time
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In a message dated 3/20/00 1:04:37 AM Central Standard Time, 
AkaPlastikman@aol.com writes:

<< How does light originate and travel through space??  Sounds 
 easy enough, hehe. >>
There is usually a chemical reaction somwhere in space where light is given 
off by a burning substance, usually a giant ball of gas that we call a star. 
This light travels through space through something we call radiation.

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The ramifications of the stigmatic varitions compile the astronomical 
erkilites thus pulsating many logosites to maximum forces making light travel 
at unthought of speeds. or better yet(HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW)???  LOL

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can someone tell me how to unsub?

:me too
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Was just thinkin the same thing...
sorry for the one liner (or two liner as it is now)

John
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> discuss something halfway intelligent? i'm feeling my intelligence drain
> with each post i read.
> 
> 183 left to go....i guess i'll be taking the short bus tomorrow
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> thanks a lot.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 20 07:14:11 2000
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Haha ok, sorry I have to read this book on physics and I rattled off some 
question that nobody's supposed to be able to answer. =)

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:Yeah...every someone simply posts "trance sucks" and
:25 oh so witty one liners follow.

you forgot to add all of misha's posts about how ignorant saying "Trance
sucks"  sounds

: Now they're getting
:pissy because two people say the same about techno?
:Gimme a break.

no, dude, i'm keeping my kit kat to myself, thanks
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It seems to me that when making a comment about music, good or bad you always 
will get different responses.  I just try to ignore the stupid ones, and find 
someone else with my taste to talk about music with.  It seems to work.  But 
there will always be that somebody that crosses the line and says Richie 
Hawtin sucks or Jeff Mills, then they are fair game to flame, hehehe.

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I don't think Senn's are nearly as duralble as Sony's. The new silver Sony's
are much more bassey and better contructed than the previous models.
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>that's not true people. The Senn's completely drown out surrounding sound.
I
>agree about the Sony's but, for studio and D.J.ing gigs the Senn's kick
>everybodies asses. You can tweek the Hi's--Mid's--And Lows with no
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>And thier twice as loud as the sony's. All you have to do is take a listen
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If everyone had the same taste in music, this would be a very boring place.
What I can't understand is why would someone get enjoyment from
disrespecting someone elses idea of what "good muzik" is !?!?!  Or judge if
a DJ is talented or not based on what kind of music they play !?!!

DJ Ion
www.soundinmotion.com



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> It seems to me that when making a comment about music, good or bad you
always
> will get different responses.  I just try to ignore the stupid ones, and
find
> someone else with my taste to talk about music with.  It seems to work.
But
> there will always be that somebody that crosses the line and says Richie
> Hawtin sucks or Jeff Mills, then they are fair game to flame, hehehe.
>
> Casey
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 RE: headphones

 Sony MDR V700
 DJ Ion
 www.soundinmotion.com


 ----- Original Message -----
> From: chris ferry <ext1@cyberlink.com>
> To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2000 11:37 AM
> Subject: [mw] Headphone question..
>
>
> > Hey folks, I'm wanting to pick up some new headphones as the ones I have
> are great in the studio but suck for spinning out at party.  Can any other
> DJs out there point me to some good ones out there?  I guess it goes with
> out
> > saying I want good, loud lows-mids-highs, but I want something loud.  I
> primarily mix "in-the-headphones", so I want something that can drown out
> shitty monitors and noisy DJ booth onlookers =)
> > lookin to spend around $100 but not really averse to goin up to
$175-$200
> if I HAVE TO.
> >
> > Thanks, and please reply via Email if ya can :)
> >
> >         DJ EXT
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 20 07:49:27 2000
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I am very much in agreement with. There are some muzik style I don't
neccessarily care for, but I always enjoy watching a good dj do what they
know how to do best... A good DJ can get my ass movin even if I don't
normally like the music they are spinning. IMHO the DJ is what makes the
party, the music obviously has something to do w/ it, but if the DJ knows
what they are doin and are havin fun, they project that fun on the crowd.
Just my two cents...
John
----- Original Message -----
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> If everyone had the same taste in music, this would be a very boring
place.
> What I can't understand is why would someone get enjoyment from
> disrespecting someone elses idea of what "good muzik" is !?!?!  Or judge
if
> a DJ is talented or not based on what kind of music they play !?!!
>
> DJ Ion
> www.soundinmotion.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <AkaPlastikman@aol.com>
> To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [mw] vicious cycle
>
>
> > It seems to me that when making a comment about music, good or bad you
> always
> > will get different responses.  I just try to ignore the stupid ones, and
> find
> > someone else with my taste to talk about music with.  It seems to work.
> But
> > there will always be that somebody that crosses the line and says Richie
> > Hawtin sucks or Jeff Mills, then they are fair game to flame, hehehe.
> >
> > Casey
> >
> > -
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In a message dated 3/20/0 7:00:48 AM, pixie wrote:

<<discuss something halfway intelligent? i'm feeling my 
intelligence drain with each post i read.>>

intelligence...http://www.seasurf.com/~radioman

enlightenment...http://www.greatdreams.com

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In a message dated 3/20/0 3:13:32 AM, darwin wrote:

<<Techno, especially real techno, is a development that is 
occuring because of the culmination of technology and its 
subsequent effect in our everyday life.  In essence, it is the 
new sound track to our new way of life in which industry and 
its child, technology, has created.  Techno is the soundtrack 
of life, the residue of our creations...>>

precisely, techno is the culmination of technology, and what a 
better goal for techology to actually physically bring people 
of all races and backgrounds together under one roof with the
freedom to interact and communicate as they please rather 
than for weapons of mass destruction...why is the government 
spending so much money on technology for war and control rather 
than peace and cultural diversity?

<<Hip Hop is a cultural/political thing usually.  Plus, hip hop is 
not a reaction or a precipitate to a development, but rather a 
statement against or for a development, it has premise and 
meaning, it can be defined, and it is often a catelyst in its own 
right...>>

exactly, hip hop literally became "the voice" of the ghetto...
without it most of society would still be pretty ignorant
to the plight of the black man...and how impossible it is
for minorities to escape poverty or being a slave to "the beast" 
of dead end jobs and 40 hour work weeks...not only did it provide 
a means to escape that fate, but it also provided the 
organization necessary to bring the people together.


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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:00:18 -0500 "Pixie" <pixie@bluegrass.net> writes:
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> 
> 183 left to go....i guess i'll be taking the short bus tomorrow

And wearing hockey gearto protect that soft noggin?

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000 02:03:52 EST AkaPlastikman@aol.com writes:
<snip>
> How does light originate and travel through space??  

That depends on your viewpoint or belief system
(as does everything else you encounter).
Some would say that space is actually travelling
through the light.
Please don't get me going on theoretical physics,
I need sleep.

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Friday, March 24th 2000 
in Cleveland O.H.
MiNDLaBz Productions Brings you 
Head Strong!
an event ALL about the music ...
acts for the night are :
DeepBlue
Unibanger
Darius
Kid Napalm---- LIVE P.A.
Boompsie
Lenny The Legend
Spaz
Dj Nocturnal
Debt-N-8-R
Music is for the Mind, Body & Soul. Its also the one
thing that keeps most of us in unity, you 
see the dj getting way into 
his set you know the beat, you can feel and 
taste it. You and the music are 
now one with oneanother....
you see ,
"WE ARE THE HEAD STRONG"
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This will be an all ages event, starting at 10pm and ending
at 7am.. Price $10 buckz till midnight and $15 after that
R.O.A.R. in full effect.... No drugs and all the stuff you know your
not allowed to bring ...just come out and have a good time and 
meet some New friends ....For directions call
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>There is no unity in a bunch of
>   pacifists... that's like
>  organized anarchists.

Anarchism doesn't imply disorganization.

Just thought I'd clear that up.
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In a message dated 3/20/00 7:18:04 AM Central Standard Time, 
jr_bob_dobbs@hotmail.com writes:

<< Anarchism doesn't imply disorganization. >>
Anarchy = chaos = disorder
I used to be a huge supporter of anarchy, but mankind isn't ready for it yet. 
Every individual human being  needs to progress into better people before we 
can all govern ourselves. Attempts at this have already been made through the 
renaissance, the reformation, the age of discovery, the enlightenment, the 
women's movement, and now the political correctness movement. Believe me, 
we're still far off.

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>From: DJDolorem@aol.com
>In a message dated 3/20/00 7:18:04 AM Central Standard Time,
>jr_bob_dobbs@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< Anarchism doesn't imply disorganization. >>
>Anarchy = chaos = disorder

No Anarchy does not equal chaos or disorder.


>I used to be a huge supporter of anarchy, but mankind isn't ready for it 
>yet.
>Every individual human being  needs to progress into better people before 
>we
>can all govern ourselves. Attempts at this have already been made through 
>the
>renaissance, the reformation, the age of discovery, the enlightenment, the
>women's movement, and now the political correctness movement. Believe me,
>we're still far off.


http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/

Educate yourself.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 20 14:15:41 2000
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Saturday - April 29th
Chicago, ILLINOIS

Pied Piper Productions presents...

SUPERHERO'S

With performances by:

Joey Beltram
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& Jon Hall *Master Of Ceremonies*

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DO NOT MISS THIS PARTY !

See you there ;-)

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On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 Cufilifi@aol.com wrote:

> Science=Truth

Or at least you would like to believe so.  I'm guessing you probably
haven't taken a science class in years and don't follow science much, but
due to your disdain for religion you like to believe the above statement
because it's easy for you to do so.  Just to let you know, the majority of
science = theory.  And that is the truth.


> Religion=For people who cant accept the truth

Or people who don't believe it's the truth.


> Love=So real                                                                    
>          Pain=The realest feeling that you will ever feel                       
>                     friends=only one will ever be true                          
>                                  family=No one in this world can ever love 
> you like they do

How deep.  Maybe you should write poetry and quit the whole dj
gig.


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Now that I've deleted every post from this weekend without reading more than 4-5 of them.. 

How 'bout that new Adult or the new Heiko on Kanzleramt?

Anyone read any good books lately? I just got "The Mole People" by Jennifer Toth. I think i'll buy
"Cities Back From the Edge" by Roberta Gratz next.

You got a good recipe for Baba Ganouj? I really like that stuff.

The best way to prepare a mango is accept that you're going to get messy, then cut it in half in
line with the seed, then dig the seed out and eat whatever's still stuck to it, then cut a grid
into the inside of each half and turn them inside out and eat the resulting cubes, then wash your
hands.

-ted

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einstein's dreams by alan lightman is a great book.

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Now that I've deleted every post from this weekend without reading more than
4-5 of them..

How 'bout that new Adult or the new Heiko on Kanzleramt?

Anyone read any good books lately? I just got "The Mole People" by Jennifer
Toth. I think i'll buy
"Cities Back From the Edge" by Roberta Gratz next.

You got a good recipe for Baba Ganouj? I really like that stuff.

The best way to prepare a mango is accept that you're going to get messy,
then cut it in half in
line with the seed, then dig the seed out and eat whatever's still stuck to
it, then cut a grid
into the inside of each half and turn them inside out and eat the resulting
cubes, then wash your
hands.

-ted

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    Wow pix, you really hit it with that one, glad you could make such an
enlightening contribution to our thriving list.

     - One line this muthafucka!

        -- Matt Murphy --

 > the new and improved genre!!!
>
> trance sucks and techno is dead. do you people have any idea how silly you
> really sound?
>
> do you actually put forth effort and time into these posts? that's kinda
> creepy, actually.
>
> pixie
>
> (prize to the first person who flames me!!! c'mon...YOU CAN DO IT!! make
> sure to include some witty biting remark about how my putting forth time
> into this post is no more intelligent than your goofy ass threads!!!
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    I'd have to agree, normally techno isn't my favorite style, I like it,
but not as much as really anything UK hardcore-based, but anyhow, went to
Stairway to Headphones 3 this weekend, saw Dave Clarke. Damn, that dude
ripped shit up, he was goin' nuts, literally PLAYING with whatever two
tracks happened to be on, just completely fucking with them. Some people
bitched that he didn't really *mix* much, but damn I'll trading mixing
anyday for those turntable acrobatics... Anyway, my point is that I own
maybe one techno CD, during his set I said "shit, I gotta get me some more
techno..."

        -- Matt Murphy --

> I am very much in agreement with. There are some muzik style I don't
> neccessarily care for, but I always enjoy watching a good dj do what they
> know how to do best... A good DJ can get my ass movin even if I don't
> normally like the music they are spinning. IMHO the DJ is what makes the
> party, the music obviously has something to do w/ it, but if the DJ knows
> what they are doin and are havin fun, they project that fun on the crowd.
> Just my two cents...



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> How 'bout that new Adult or the new Heiko on Kanzleramt?

ooooooooh....adult. mmmmmmmm...i heard that was out via an ersatz email.
have you got to hear it yet, ted?  

> 
> Anyone read any good books lately? I just got "The Mole People" by Jennifer Toth. I think i'll buy
> "Cities Back From the Edge" by Roberta Gratz next.
> 

i just read "Girl, Interrupted". i have yet to see them movie. but i
couldn't imagine what winona ryder is going to do to that role. butcher it
perhaps. i could definitely see angelina jolie play her friend though.
makes complete sense. the scene in the movie that they show in the trailor
is nonexistent in the book. recently just read "ham on rye" by charles
bukowski. very very good. definitely one to pick up. 

okay. off to italian class i go. 
ciao.
lauryn.

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I look at DJs a lot different them some of you.  I think their job is to spin with quality, and have a good track selection.  When you say you want DJs who have a good additude, and who don't stand around and look borred... what do you want them to do when they spin?  Smile?  Yell out to the crowd?  Do a little dance?  Wave to the crowd?  Throw out glow sticks?  Jump up and down and act a fool?  I've know of some DJs who do that kind of stuff every time they spin, and I think it's retarded.  When DJs do those kind of things I get the feeling they are in it for themselves and not for the music.  What they do is draw attention away from the music and onto themselves.  That to me is very egotistical.  And are you going to tell me that one bad conversation with a DJ at a party is going to change your outlook on their music?  That's bullshit.  Not everybody's friendly.  Nor are they entitled to be your friend just because you like their music.  Jesus you guys are strange...

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LONG DISAGREEMENT TO FOLLOW. PLEASE TURN ON FLAME FILTERS...

<<<< on 3/20/00 11:02 AM, RaversBlow@aol.com at RaversBlow@aol.com emitted:
>>>>

> I look at DJs a lot different them some of you.  I think their job is to spin
> with quality, and have a good track selection.

i agree on this. shitty djs are shitty djs...

> When you say you want DJs who
> have a good additude,

hmm...ever deal with some of the rockstar attitudes of djs? it's BULLSHIT. i
don't care who you are, i don't care if you are GOD (literally). don't act
like a self-entitled bastard just cause you can pull in $5000 a booking!!

i'm sure the list would be more than happy to provide some examples of the
outrageous shit some dickhead djs pull... :)

> and who don't stand around and look borred... what do
> you want them to do when they spin?  Smile?  Yell out to the crowd?  Do a
> little dance?  Wave to the crowd?  Throw out glow sticks?  Jump up and down
> and act a fool?  I've know of some DJs who do that kind of stuff every time
> they spin, and I think it's retarded.  When DJs do those kind of things I get
> the feeling they are in it for themselves and not for the music.  What they do
> is draw attention away from the music and onto themselves.  That to me is very
> egotistical.  

WHAT? okay...

i'll accept what you say as your opinion, but WHAT? yes, some djs (i don't
think i need to mention names) go WAY over the top in inappropriate ways
with their "entertaining" the crowd. but i want to see someone who is
actually INTO their set!

smiling, laughing, being silly, dancing, whatever...

it shows that this gig ain't just a job, it's something they enjoy...if i
can make myself dance or at least shake my ass a little bit, then i know i'm
doin pretty good...

and btw, if the dj's presence didn't matter, why would we even have to see
the dj? why not hide him/her in a side room, closed off from all the
partykids. <insert sarcasm here> it's not like the people who are there
would want to dance all night facing the dj booth. and i have never seen a
dj hype up the crowd by sheer stage presence alone.</sarcasm>

the relationship between dj and the crowd is INTEGRAL to this genre. people
feed off the energy of the party, and a dj who is OBVIOUSLY having fun in
one way or another will help to get the party hyped (provided he actually
has the turntable skills...).

> And are you going to tell me that one bad conversation with a DJ
> at a party is going to change your outlook on their music?  That's bullshit.
> Not everybody's friendly.  Nor are they entitled to be your friend just
> because you like their music.  Jesus you guys are strange...

we're not saying that.

imagine if you finally met your idol, and he told you that black people must
die.

tell me if that wouldn't make you disgusted, and effect your outlook on that
person. no matter how damn good the music may be, i cannot respect someone
who will not respect others...

i won't support assholes.

bom shankar!
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>> Hello all,
>>    Well we at Lil' Diva Productions are excited to be starting up
>> what
>> will be a great series of small, but fun club nights! To kick off
>> these
>> parties we are bringing you a 100% all jungle/D-n-B party! So all
>> you
>> "Bass Heads" come to a night phat ass music! Note:There is also a
>> rumor
>> that some of the DJ's and thier friends are going to get into the
>> whole
>> Jungle theme and sport the Camoflage threads, so if you want to join
>> the
>> fun come dressed ready for action(there is no diference in price of
>> entrance!)
>>                         PROJECT: JUNGLE WARFARE
>> March 31st @ The Electronic Groove Box- $11- doors oepn at 10pm
>> 18 & up- 21 to drink(ID required) Info:Lil' Diva(615)400-3815 Groove
>> Box
>> (615)201-2423!
>> ROOM 1                          ROOM 2
>> 10pm-12am   B-PLUS & MENACE     10pm-12am  Havok
>> 12am-1:30am BLONDIE ETCETERA    12am-2am   LARY BREAKS
>> 1:30am-3am  BOBBLE              2am-3am    MISS K
>> 3am-4:30am  GRAHAM              3am-4:30am FLIP C
>> 4:30am-6am  DORIAN              4:30am-6am MK2
>> DIRECTIONS: From all points North, East, & West come into Nashville
>> and
>> get on I65 South. Take exit 89(Wedgewood Ave.) Turn right. Turn left
>> at
>> first traffic light! The club is approx. 1 mile on the right next to
>>
>> Captain D's. From the South take I65 North. Get off at exit
>> 89(Wedgewood
>> Ave.) Turn left. At traffic light turn left. The club is approx. 1
>> mile
>> on the right next to Captain D's!
>>
>> Also soon to be coming "Divas of the Dance Floor 2" & "Supafly 2000"
>>
>> Thanx,
>> Jayson
>> Lil' Diva Productions
>>
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> Hello everyone,
>        Well here is th 2nd of our Lil' Diva events we have planned for
> you! The 2nd installment of our all girl dj line-up, Divas of the
> Dance Floor 2! Last years Diva party was amazing! The best vibe I have
> ever seen at a party! The girls had a blast and the crowd was loving
> it(and our headliner cancelled & everyone still had a blast!) Well,
> this year our headliner and line-up are 100% confirmed! So I can't
> wait to see you at a LIL' DIVA PRODUCTIONS EVENT
>                      DIVAS OF THE DANCE FLOOR 2!
>                 CHARLOTTE THE BARONESS(SAN FRANCISCO)
> SOUNDCAT(CINCINNATTI)              LITTLE JEN(ATLANTA)
> NICOLE(ATLANTA)                           EVE(ATLANTA)
> GIANNA(NASHVILLE)                        AISLYNN(NASHVILLE)
> RENEEFRENCH(NASHVILLE)             JENNY(NASHVILLE)
> JESSICA(NASVILLE/CINCY)
> @ THE ELECTRONIC GROOVE BOX IN nASHVILLE, TN ON APRIL 28th, 2000!
> DOORS OPEN AT 10PM!
> 18&OVER/21 TO DRINK(ID'S REQUIRED!) INFO LINES (615)400-3815(LIL'
> DIVA)/(615)201-2423
> (GROOVE BOX!)    $13
> DIRECTIONS FROM ALL POINTS NORTH, EAST, & WEST COME INTO NASHVILLE AND
> GET ON I65 SOUTH.
> GET OFF AT  EXIT 89(WEDGEWOOD AVE.)TURN RIGHT! AT TRAFFIC LIGHT TURN
> LEFT! THE CLUB IS ON THE RIGHT APPROX. 1 MILE NEXT TO CAPTAIN D'S.
> FROM THE SOUTH TAKE I65 NORTH. GET OFF AT EXIT 89(WEDGEWOOD AVE) TURN
> LEFT. AT TRAFFIC LIGHT TURN LEFT. THE CLUB IS ON THE RIGHT APPROX. 1
> MILE NEXT TO CAPTAIN D'S!
>
> I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE EVRYONE THERE! IT IS GOING TO BE A BLAST! ALSO
> DON'T FORGET ABOUT JUNGLE WARFARE MARCH 31ST AND LOOK OUT FOR THE
> LINE-UP FOR SUPAFLY 2000(MAY!)
> JAYSON
> LIL' DIVA PRODUCTIONS


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Ya know... I think most of you (exclude yourself if you are different) are 
idealistic bastards when it comes to djs.

first lemme clarify what i mean for some of you stupid bastards.  If you 
think that everyone out there dj's b/c they love it.. why don't more people 
do it for less than 5000$ a gig?  Ill tell you why...b/c they have to make a 
living.  If you are good at something, you make a living doing so..it's the 
american way.  If every guy out there who was good at being a doctor decided 
to be one.. we would have some great low-cost clinics.  It is the joy of 
helping people for some..while for others it is b/c they get to pull in 6 
figures.

yes it's true that there are djs who LOVE their job.  They love making the 
crowd react AND they love getting into their act.  Again, lemme clarify 
before i go futhur.. i deal with rock stars.  With that said.. here we go:
While rock stars are people too.. the most beloved stars are often nice and 
accomodating to their fans, while there are other equally as talented bands 
who are assholes, hence lose the popularity they could have.  IT is ALL for 
show.  They do their job.  The meet the fans.  They go home tired.. and if 
they are lucky, fulfilled.

I'm not writing too coherantly this morning.. but i think the gist of what i 
am trying to say is this..:

djs are like the rest of us.. they get paid for a living.  If they are 
lucky.. they are not only good at what they do, but enjoy it too.  In 
addition to getting paid to spin records, they are also (in the same way that 
r.e.m. is) in the spot light.  While they do not HAVE to be nice to their 
fans, into their set, nice to promoters.. it greatly adds to their own 
livelihood when they are.  Again, this is not something that I am talking out 
of my neck..  I have seen this in action. 
You have to be a DAMN good dj to get places and still be an asshole.. and i'm 
pretty sure that they weren't always like that.  IT is unfortunate in our 
society when assholes, dumb asses, and morons slip through the system and GET 
to receive a productive life.

If you have such a problem with djs and their motivations.. stop going to see 
them.  

I had a BAD experience with the first band I had to deal with.. and to this 
day..i refuse to promote them and my station has pulled their songs from 
major play.  That is something that can be extended into our little ravey-ass 
world.

no one likes a snotty dj.  well..i do.. but tha's my own thing.  you don't 
like it?  do something about it.  don't bitch to me about it.. and i'm pretty 
sure hat these guys have bad days just like you do when you go into work and 
your boss tells you that the last pizza you made last night was shitty as 
hell and if you are late again b/c you are cracked out from a shitty party... 
you aren't the most pleasant.

djs:  
if you are good enough to be a bitch to the fans and still have bookings.. 
more power to you.
for all of you struggling djs who are the sweetest guys and have mediocre 
talents... good luck in improvement.
for all of you djs who are nice AND good djs.. i'm fucking impressed.


suzi.. i'm fucking finished now.

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In a message dated 3/20/00 1:38:15 AM, mw-raves-digest-owner@hyperreal.org 
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<< How does light originate and travel through space??  Sounds 
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How is to say that the light is traveling through space?  We in fact may be 
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>the bored DJ's are ususally the
>ones who're in it for the money. 

Oh, Like who?

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I hate this, I busted a couple teeth and injured my jaw today, playing 
hockey. Looks like no parties for me for a while :( and I was going to Funk 
Lab this weekend :(

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The kind of shit you get on www.yahoo.com when you
look for sites that sell black roses =)

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>exactly, hip hop literally became "the voice" of the ghetto...
>without it most of society would still be pretty ignorant
>to the plight of the black man...and how impossible it is
>for minorities to escape poverty or being a slave to "the beast"
>of dead end jobs and 40 hour work weeks...not only did it provide
>a means to escape that fate, but it also provided the
>organization necessary to bring the people together.

so if hip-hop is/was the voice of the ghetto, where does that leave so 
called ganster rap (now refered to wrongly as hip-hop)?  last i checked that 
came from the same place.  IMO hip-hop, rap, and "ganster" rap all have 
different motives.  hip-hop and rap are generally less violent, more 
political and social - although anymore there is no telling what is going 
on.  i realize that i am not an authority on any of the above generes but i 
do have some knowledge of what they are/were.


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>Anyone read any good books lately? I just got "The Mole People" by Jennifer 
>Toth. I think i'll buy
>"Cities Back From the Edge" by Roberta Gratz next.

fountainhead - highly recomended.  also anthem - both by ayn rand

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thank you...i try my hardest to devote as much of my time as possible to
hopeless causes.

pixie

:    Wow pix, you really hit it with that one, glad you could make such an
:enlightening contribution to our thriving list.
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: > the new and improved genre!!!
:>
:> trance sucks and techno is dead. do you people have any idea how silly
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> The kind of shit you get on www.yahoo.com when you
> look for sites that sell black roses =)

What happens when you search for blood red velvet, goth boy?  :P

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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, doris wrote:
> gotta unsub for a while.
> 
> will be back soon enough.
> 
> rave on.

Woo hoo!  I call the interim queen of rave post!

Kiss my glowsticks.

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i've read fountainhead and atlas shrugged.
i don't care for ayn rand much. although i appreciate the themes of self-reliance and
determination.. manifesting your highest vision etc.. I think a great deal of her philosophy was
terribly naive. For example, in Atlas Shrugged i found the idea of the steel magnate and railroad
tycoon (if i remember right, it's been a few years) living in some sort of industrial capitalist
utopian Eden laughable.. or just plain disturbing. I'd like to see an "Atlas Revisited" in which
we see their valley 20 years later with the ecosystem in total collapse...

Neal Stephenson (Snow Crash, The Diamond Age) has a new one out called "Cryptonomicon" which I'll
be reading as soon as I'm done with The Mole People.

Techno is dead. Go read a book.



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for 
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anyone ?


thanks in advance 
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EAT A DICK.

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>EAT A DICK.


Hey can eat my dick.

Oh wait...my boyfriend might not like me offering him around like that...

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Fuck yeah! Misjah is the man! X-trax is still my favorite label to date I
wish they still made the kick ass tracks they did 2 years ago.
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[Fergus <fergcore@earthlink.net>]
> 
> >EAT A DICK.
> 
> 
> Hey can eat my dick.
> 
> Oh wait...my boyfriend might not like me offering him around like that...

no way! what guy could resist the atomly's wily charms?


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It seems like every year when crew settles down and plans some type of vacation, my first order of business is to get the fuck away from everything.  My mind gets so cluttered up in the muck of routine that it is imperative for my proverbial 'primordial juices' that I 'vacate' from the spatial matrix known as 'Tim's life.'
I'm sure everyone has the same ideals... vacation is pretty much a universal concept.  So when I sit down and think of escaping the mundane... winter music conference is the furthest thing from my fucking mind.  
I used to work conventions as a side job (including some pretty tech heavy and non tech heavy a la International Tanning Expo.)  Its pretty much a horrid all around concept rarely a necessity (certifications and classes) and often a headache.  At the more interesting conventions like E3, there's a hell of alot of shit to look at... (and warrant for pilgrimage.)  But I like many who fear the sunlight, find it an utterly scary thought throwing my pasty complexion into a throng of thousands  of other similarly pasty males (and females) who lock themselves in their bedroom studios for 6 or seven days at a time... and sharing pooltime together hoping to get a piece of audio tape to their favorite icon.  
believe me I understand the 'concept of necessity' that has been defended more often than not... All your press, industry heavyweights and hopefuls, and listening populace gather together in divine orgy... and you've got the chance to give out free material and maximize your usage of the word 'promotional only.'  and these are representatives of the 'industry.'

or are they?

i spoke of grassroots a couple of days ago... travelling across the u.s. by whatever means... touring and meeting your listening audience... accepting the varying crosssection of humanity that 'digs yo shit.'  most of which spend 10 dollars out of their minimum wage paycheck to buy your brand name... simply because they believe enough in you to have seen you once or twice before and take stock in your movement.  There's a love you get from that, when some kid is smiling in your face and is down with you... not because he read you in a magazine, or saw your name posted as 'dicksucker dj of the year.' in "Design Major's Pet Project Magazine."  There's a blatant honesty inherent in 'convening' every weekend with your peers... when they open up their mouths and say "That shit rocked, yo." instead of "thanks for the promo... I'm sure the maid will enjoy this tomorrow morning along with our empty bottles of vodka."

Thinking back to when we used to hang out with alot of punk rockers (some of which we still do... and are iconoclasts of the punk rock 'industry' if you want to call it that.)  the idea of a convention with courses about "How to make your seven inch SELL!" and networking with other young punk professionals... makes any hardcore motherfucker wince in pain.  

The things I've learned in my umpteen years in the business... have not been wrought from waiting in line to place my lips on foreign ass.  Quite the opposite, I've learned from making mistakes.  From aged wisdom and broken hands and feets.  From lifting speakers over my head to throwing money into deep pits without ever expecting to see it again.

and in the end I guess the payoff isn't the only thing thats different.  Its the floorplan.  I've successfully discovered a whole nother path in the process which seemingly leads to a brighter clearing... and that clearing hints at the fact that there is a whole nother scene out there emerging... something more fresh and more raw.  a new frontier in which the rules aren't solidified and theres no right or wrong way to eat a reeses.

If we all had time enough to sit down and establish a foothold... such as a convention.  This would mean we are stopping to set root.  To standardize the way of things.  Sure there's the excuses that we must stop and congregate and officially dub the 'next big thing.'  Christen and bathe ourselves in the bubbling fountain of excess pats on the ass and tooting of our nasal horn...

but while they're all pulling each others dicks... 

there's those of us who continue to fight on the front line.

entro fears no fire.


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This is the last call for:
666ZCTR002 "Chasing Zion"
Mixtape (prerelease)

This mixtape was done on a mixer
without a crossfader. It is Goa, Ambient and Dub.

If anyone is interested in a FREE copy get it now. We
are destroying the master copy and will be redoing the master
for an actual professional run of em. There is less than 40 left.
Promoters will be given first priority. Please email me to make
arrangements.
Again this is free, and is your last chance. The next time this is
around it will be in ENhanced CD format and professionally done mixtapes.
(not to mention done on a mixer WITH a crossfader this time)

I will be posting a catalog of 666 releases here shortly.


Boom Bolenat!

AC (orion@idir.net)
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, matt hellige wrote:
> no way! what guy could resist the atomly's wily charms?

I have wily charms?

My roommate has a box of Lucky Charms in the cupboard- maybe you were
thinking of that?

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[atomly <atomly@atomly.com>]
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, matt hellige wrote:
> > no way! what guy could resist the atomly's wily charms?
> 
> I have wily charms?
> 
> My roommate has a box of Lucky Charms in the cupboard- maybe you were
> thinking of that?

oh atomly, you know very well what i was thinking of... <wink>

:)


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Damn!  Very nice post!  Everybody re-read this if you already read it, or
read it if you didn't!

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>This mixtape was done on a mixer without a crossfader.

 You might want to look into getting one that does. 


                             Just a suggestion,

                                
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entro--you are a beautiful person!  never cease to amaze me!
read entro's post if you haven't already!  itz...well there arent words to
describe it!

hecate

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> It seems like every year when crew settles down and plans some type of
vacation, my first order of business is to get the fuck away from
everything.  My mind gets so cluttered up in the muck of routine that it is
imperative for my proverbial 'primordial juices' that I 'vacate' from the
spatial matrix known as 'Tim's life.'
> I'm sure everyone has the same ideals... vacation is pretty much a
universal concept.  So when I sit down and think of escaping the mundane...
winter music conference is the furthest thing from my fucking mind.
> I used to work conventions as a side job (including some pretty tech heavy
and non tech heavy a la International Tanning Expo.)  Its pretty much a
horrid all around concept rarely a necessity (certifications and classes)
and often a headache.  At the more interesting conventions like E3, there's
a hell of alot of shit to look at... (and warrant for pilgrimage.)  But I
like many who fear the sunlight, find it an utterly scary thought throwing
my pasty complexion into a throng of thousands  of other similarly pasty
males (and females) who lock themselves in their bedroom studios for 6 or
seven days at a time... and sharing pooltime together hoping to get a piece
of audio tape to their favorite icon.
> believe me I understand the 'concept of necessity' that has been defended
more often than not... All your press, industry heavyweights and hopefuls,
and listening populace gather together in divine orgy... and you've got the
chance to give out free material and maximize your usage of the word
'promotional only.'  and these are representatives of the 'industry.'
>
> or are they?
>
> i spoke of grassroots a couple of days ago... travelling across the u.s.
by whatever means... touring and meeting your listening audience...
accepting the varying crosssection of humanity that 'digs yo shit.'  most of
which spend 10 dollars out of their minimum wage paycheck to buy your brand
name... simply because they believe enough in you to have seen you once or
twice before and take stock in your movement.  There's a love you get from
that, when some kid is smiling in your face and is down with you... not
because he read you in a magazine, or saw your name posted as 'dicksucker dj
of the year.' in "Design Major's Pet Project Magazine."  There's a blatant
honesty inherent in 'convening' every weekend with your peers... when they
open up their mouths and say "That shit rocked, yo." instead of "thanks for
the promo... I'm sure the maid will enjoy this tomorrow morning along with
our empty bottles of vodka."
>
> Thinking back to when we used to hang out with alot of punk rockers (some
of which we still do... and are iconoclasts of the punk rock 'industry' if
you want to call it that.)  the idea of a convention with courses about "How
to make your seven inch SELL!" and networking with other young punk
professionals... makes any hardcore motherfucker wince in pain.
>
> The things I've learned in my umpteen years in the business... have not
been wrought from waiting in line to place my lips on foreign ass.  Quite
the opposite, I've learned from making mistakes.  From aged wisdom and
broken hands and feets.  From lifting speakers over my head to throwing
money into deep pits without ever expecting to see it again.
>
> and in the end I guess the payoff isn't the only thing thats different.
Its the floorplan.  I've successfully discovered a whole nother path in the
process which seemingly leads to a brighter clearing... and that clearing
hints at the fact that there is a whole nother scene out there emerging...
something more fresh and more raw.  a new frontier in which the rules aren't
solidified and theres no right or wrong way to eat a reeses.
>
> If we all had time enough to sit down and establish a foothold... such as
a convention.  This would mean we are stopping to set root.  To standardize
the way of things.  Sure there's the excuses that we must stop and
congregate and officially dub the 'next big thing.'  Christen and bathe
ourselves in the bubbling fountain of excess pats on the ass and tooting of
our nasal horn...
>
> but while they're all pulling each others dicks...
>
> there's those of us who continue to fight on the front line.
>
> entro fears no fire.
>
>
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In a message dated 3/20/0 1:18:04 PM, you wrote:

<<Anarchism doesn't imply disorganization.

Just thought I'd clear that up.>>

exactly, "anarchy" or "chaos" are terms often used by pessimistic
oppressors who seek to control individuals and deprive them of
their basic freedoms: from freedom of speech to the freedom to
gather peacefully like in a rave atomosphere...they often use guns
or other military weapons to control people...however, the latest
technology is controling people without any weapons...they deprive
them of their job and their source of income by covertly ruining
their reputation...once their funds are depleted they are often 
forced into crime and end up in prison, permanently losing their 
basic freedoms.


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>Everybody re-read this if you already read it, or read it if you didn't!

 Sorry, I'm too busy patting myself on the back.



                             -ted

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 20 21:48:19 2000
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um he did look into it already  :oP

see:

>Again this is free, and is your last chance. The next time this is
>around it will be in ENhanced CD format and professionally done mixtapes.
>(not to mention done on a mixer WITH a crossfader this time)

peace
hecate



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> >This mixtape was done on a mixer without a crossfader.
> 
>  You might want to look into getting one that does. 
> 
> 
>                              Just a suggestion,
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 20 22:34:56 2000
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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 13:49:18 EST
From: "chad clary" <cellophane_808@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [mw] Music and Society wuz



so if hip-hop is/was the voice of the ghetto, where does that leave so
called ganster rap (now refered to wrongly as hip-hop)?  last i checked that
came from the same place.  IMO hip-hop, rap, and "ganster" rap all have
different motives.  hip-hop and rap are generally less violent, more
political and social - although anymore there is no telling what is going
on.  i realize that i am not an authority on any of the above generes but i
do have some knowledge of what they are/were.


Hip hop is the music and lifestyle of "inner city" (ghetto) urban youth. It 
is considered to have 4 elements: DJing, MCing, Break Dancing and Graffiti. 
It was born in New York City. Gangster rap OTOH is corporate hollywood clown 
music. A media invention. An industry created phenomenon. For an excellent 
book on what Hip Hop is all about (and what it's not about) read "Bomb The 
Suburbs" by William "UPSKI" Wimsatt. He's the guy that made a big stir in 
the underground with his article "We Use Words Like Macadocious" which 
criticized white suburban youth who embraced Hip Hop without having any 
knowledge of or connection to its roots.



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>FYI This is just a joke.
>
>ROOF ON FIRE CLAIMS LIVES OF 43 PARTY PEOPLE
>
>NEW YORK--Tragedy struck at a popular Manhattan
>nightclub Saturday, when the roof of "The Tunnel"
>(a popular NYC night club) caught fire, collapsing and
>killing 43 party people. According to fire department
>officials, the death toll was exacerbated by the clubgoers'
>unwillingness to evacuate the burning building. "I tried
>shouting to the people on the dance floor that the roof
>was on fire and that they should exit the premises
>immediately, but they seemed unfazed by the danger,"
>firefighter Michael Pitti said. "I just kept shouting, 'The roof!
>The roof! The roof is on fire!' and so forth, but they just went
>right on dancing, insisting that they didn't need any of our
>water and that we should let the motherfucker
>burn." The party people's refusal to exit the flame-engulfed
>nightclub is widely believed to have been the result of
>DJ Phreek Malik's unstoppable mix of the hottest house,
>funk, hip-hop, disco, jungle and techno beats. "DJ Phreek
>Malik was spinning in a manner so hot, these party people
>were willing to give up their lives for a few extra minutes on
>the dance floor," New York City fire commissioner Thomas
>Von Essen said. "Even as a 50-foot-high wall of flames
>surged toward them, they continued to dance, throwing
>their hands in the air and waving them as if they just didn't
>care." As flames continued to fill the nightclub, firefighters
>frantically urged the revelers to keep low to the ground to
>avoid smoke inhalation, but the warnings were universally
>ignored. "I was screaming at the top of my lungs, 'Get down!
>Get down, party people!'" said Garry Hodges of Ladder
>Company 42,  "but the more I shouted out, the harder they
>danced." Though an FDNY investigation is still pending, the
>deadly blaze is believed to have begun at 11:40 p.m., when a
>roof-mounted ventilation system short-circuited, igniting the
>motherfucker. The fire is New York's deadliest since 1978,
>when 117 party people burned, baby, burned to death in a
>South Bronx disco inferno.
>
>
>
>----------------------------------------
>Jonathan Brashear
>Server Operations Specialist | Verio NOC
>http://www.rosebudproductions.net/
>----------------------------------------
>


peace-
chad


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where it floats, is to see riders on the earth together, brothers on that 
bright loveliness in the eternal cold - brothers who know now they are truly 
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>FYI This is just a joke.
>ROOF ON FIRE CLAIMS LIVES OF 43 PARTY PEOPLE

How is that a joke? I think it's terrible that 43 people died! When will all
this madness end?!?!

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:>FYI This is just a joke.
:>ROOF ON FIRE CLAIMS LIVES OF 43 PARTY PEOPLE
:
:How is that a joke? I think it's terrible that 43 people died! When will
all
:this madness end?!?!


"I just kept shouting, 'The roof! The roof! The roof is on fire!' and so
forth, but they just went
right on dancing, insisting that they didn't need any of our water and that
we should let the motherfucker burn."

damn ragers....

pixie



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http://members.home.net/djgruve

Full Spectrum webpage update

No Place Like Home pictures are now posted -

New playlists from Eye-D, Gruve, Matt Bandy, Submerge 101, Josh Grant, Rees
Urban & more

Samsara - An Intimate Session info is available with dj roster  etc...

please sign the guestbook.


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Spirit316@aol.com wrote:

> exactly, "anarchy" or "chaos" are terms often used by pessimistic
> oppressors who seek to control individuals and deprive them of
> their basic freedoms: from freedom of speech to the freedom to
> gather peacefully like in a rave atomosphere...they often use guns
> or other military weapons to control people...however, the latest
> technology is controling people without any weapons...they deprive
> them of their job and their source of income by covertly ruining
> their reputation...once their funds are depleted they are often
> forced into crime and end up in prison, permanently losing their
> basic freedoms.
>

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> <<Science=Truth
> Religion=For people who cant accept the truth>>

> That's not true.

You're not true.

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what does rave, science and religion have to do with anything
religion is something you believe in

-peace & love
gruve

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> > <<Science=Truth
> > Religion=For people who cant accept the truth>>
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that reminds me... where has my <sarcasm> favorite post writer in the world 
</sarcasm> disappeared to? it's been so less...... controversial recently....

sarah.

<< have you met my friend Stevie T? >>

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More ho

http://www.swingerorama.com/23/HowToBeAHo-Set71-Jaime-pt4503_0502.jpg


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More ho

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In a message dated 20/03/00 8:35:27 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
GLoWsTiCkcHiKa@aol.com writes:

<< that reminds me... where has my <sarcasm> favorite post writer in the 
world 
 </sarcasm> disappeared to? it's been so less...... controversial recently....
 
 sarah.
  >>

who cares..
LET SLEEPING DOGS LIE !


now  go here to taste some yummy tracks..  
why do i not have this cd ? 
hmmmm i must have it.
I just wish it was mixed..

http://www.zenitmedien.com/
 <A HREF="http://www.zenitmedien.com/">zenit medien</A> 


mwwwwwwwwwah<3lor

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>exactly, hip hop literally became "the voice" of the ghetto...
>without it most of society would still be pretty ignorant
>to the plight of the black man...and how impossible it is
>for minorities to escape poverty or being a slave to "the beast"
>of dead end jobs and 40 hour work weeks...not only did it provide
>a means to escape that fate, but it also provided the
>organization necessary to bring the people together.

c'mon stevie.  hip hop wasn't the first music to organize and unify the 
black community.  that's been going on in black music since the slave days.

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hey to all you talented women,
i am looking for a female dj, to come a spin at a photographing exhibit
which will on april 9th.  this is really informal, there will be some
breakers and an emcee from milwakee at the show.  the photo show is
focusing on female breakers, emcee's dj's and graf artists, my funds are
low so here is my offer.  gas money, food money, and 50$.  its will be for
about an hour.  if there is anyone interesting in supporting and showing
thier love for these arts, and props to women please contact me by friday.
my email is laurelm@antioch-college.edu.  come represent and support the
cause, peace, stay real.
p.s. i would need someone who can spin house or jungle breakbeat, but not
limited to, just feel comfortable vibing off an emcee.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 02:20:20 2000
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Can I come play hardcore and ghetto house?  Can I break records over the
mc's head?  Is it ok if I scratch with my titties or is it not "that kind"
of photo shoot?

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we are all a hopeless cause when we're trying to  dance in syntax's butt
huggin pants, i tell you. 
-sweatin in your briefs right now hellige!
-choppie

On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Pixie wrote:

> thank you...i try my hardest to devote as much of my time as possible to
> hopeless causes.
> 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 02:24:35 2000
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You are e-mailing the wrong person.....If you really want to know the answers 
to your questions e-mail  laurelm@antioch-college.edu

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>You are e-mailing the wrong person.....If you really want to know the
answers 
>to your questions e-mail  laurelm@antioch-college.edu


No, I'm not.  My e-mail went to mw which was exactly where I wanted it to
go.  It's a sad day indeed when someone takes something I post to the list
seriously.

*shakes head*

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Subject: Re: [mw] So..
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I'm in the middle of it, and I have to say, so far, it's been pretty
disappointing.  I guess I just expected something a little bit more challenging
- slighly heavier on the physics side of things I suppose.  Although, that's
just my own preconcieved notions getting in the way.  But my other quib is that
his writing style is very simplistic.  While it makes it easy to read and his
descriptions are pretty well done, it's not very engaging.

anybody else read it?  your thoughts?

one love,
greg

Planet Site wrote:

> einstein's dreams by alan lightman is a great book.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ignatius J. Reilly <te_one@yahoo.com>
> To: Check All - Delete <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 10:19 AM
> Subject: [mw] So..
>
> Now that I've deleted every post from this weekend without reading more than
> 4-5 of them..
>
> How 'bout that new Adult or the new Heiko on Kanzleramt?
>
> Anyone read any good books lately? I just got "The Mole People" by Jennifer
> Toth. I think i'll buy
> "Cities Back From the Edge" by Roberta Gratz next.
>
> You got a good recipe for Baba Ganouj? I really like that stuff.
>
> The best way to prepare a mango is accept that you're going to get messy,
> then cut it in half in
> line with the seed, then dig the seed out and eat whatever's still stuck to
> it, then cut a grid
> into the inside of each half and turn them inside out and eat the resulting
> cubes, then wash your
> hands.
>
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In a message dated 3/20/00 9:27:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fergcore@earthlink.net writes:

<< No, I'm not.  My e-mail went to mw which was exactly where I wanted it to
 go.  It's a sad day indeed when someone takes something I post to the list
 seriously.
 
 *shakes head*
 
 fergus >>

Okay when I said you are e-mailing the wrong person, maybe I was suggesting 
that if you want answers you should probably e-mail someone who would have 
them, which wouldn't be MW, but the person who originally sent the e-mail.  

I didn't take your post seriously to be honest, so maybe you might be the one 
who needs loosen up a little bit??

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>Okay when I said you are e-mailing the wrong person, maybe I was suggesting 
>that if you want answers you should probably e-mail someone who would have 
>them, which wouldn't be MW, but the person who originally sent the e-mail.  


gosh really???  Thank you for showing me the light!  I always wondered why,
when I hit "reply" in my mail program, it automatically puts in the address
of the person who wrote the mail I'm replying to!


>I didn't take your post seriously to be honest, so maybe you might be the
one 
>who needs loosen up a little bit??


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

PLUR!

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Are you a comedian? 

You are right, I am wrong. Let's all take a deep breath, shall we? There you 
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>Are you a comedian? 

No.  I'm a happily nekkid fungus.


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>http://www.swingerorama.com/23/HowToBeAHo-Set71-Jaime-pt4503_0502.jpg

geez. thanks fer posting a link to a random brittany spears look alike. do. 
do. do. fraggle rock.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 02:56:30 2000
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You have been flamed!!

luv u fergus darling!   therez fungus amongus!

peace
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> Are you a comedian?
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> You are right, I am wrong. Let's all take a deep breath, shall we? There
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 03:17:52 2000
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i heard after he saved the world from Y2K,
the army of darkness crucified him...but with
today's technology they were able to kill him
without killing him by covertly ruining his
career and reputation by spreading disinformation
trough the internet.

i am his holy spirit.

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Block the email address "spirit316@aol.com" from sending mail to this account?

[yes]



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"this ain't funny so don't ya dare laugh."

I've seen Iron Chef Murimoto do it... but my question is it safe to grill 
tofu with a butane or propane torch?  Is there a special fuel I should use or 
should I just break out the welding gear and go to town on my extra firm soy 
protein?

i wanna know.  for serious.

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In a message dated 3/21/0 2:06:42 AM, dica666 wrote:

<<c'mon stevie.  hip hop wasn't the first music to organize 
and unify the black community.  that's been going on in black 
music since the slave days.>>

yeah, if you call singing in the cotten fields a get together!

lol, do you miss stevie t?

today was supposed to be the first day of the new light, 
and his ressurection, but it seems nobody cares for him.

so what is the consensus of this list?  

call it judgement day if you will.

shall he continue paying for man's sins?

or shall we concede that we do need him?

keep in my mind, if you choose to be rid of him,
he may no longer assist you in the coming armageddon
scheduled for 2006.




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+keep in my mind, if you choose to be rid of him,
+he may no longer assist you in the coming armageddon
+scheduled for 2006.

i'm thinking about scheduling an armageddon for 2004...

i'll keep you posted. and i'll help y'all out, if you want.

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We've been over this:

Armageddon actually took place in a suburban back yard in Orange county back in 1953. Nobody
noticed.

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In a message dated 3/20/00 9:52:38 PM Central Standard Time, 
panam@mail.execpc.com writes:

<< I'm pretty sure propane is safe to grill food w/, because if I'm not
 mistaken it's used in most of those gas grills.  But me, I stick to
 coals, because those things burn forever so after you're done making the
 food you can throw stuff in there for fun. >>

like small children whining too much for their food at a family picnic.

gotcha =)

i don't have a porch or any area really to put a grill unless i want set 
myself up for smoke inhalation in my apartment... but i'm thinking I'm just 
going to go with the standard propane torch at menard's.

thanks for all the help from everyone

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i think they have indoor grills now. or they have those stoves that have
one side as a grill...same effect as putting it on a grill kinda...i mean
it doesnt have the charcoal going on but it has an electric thing
underneath that heats up and then the grill is above that. my mom used to
have one of those stoves. it was a bitch to clean.  if all else fails,
george foreman grills might work. might not have the same "smoky" flavor
and all but i think that it might do the trick. although those things are
pretty lame. 

definitely use the extra firm tofu though if you are going to cook
it...otherwise you will end up with a mushy mess. gross. 

peace
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You all thought you could block me.  What little do
you all know.  My computer prowess will take over the
world and you will all bow down when I reign as
supreme leader of the new era of doom.  You have all
crossed the wrong little man.  I will overcome all of
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vengence and furious anger because you are leading my
sheep astray in the ways of the world.  

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 05:18:07 2000
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are u part of a cult. if so. when do kill ur self

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In a message dated 3/20/00 11:15:07 PM Central Standard Time, 
steviet2006@yahoo.com writes:

<< You all thought you could block me.  What little do
 you all know.  My computer prowess will take over the
 world and you will all bow down when I reign as
 supreme leader of the new era of doom.  You have all
 crossed the wrong little man.  I will overcome all of
 you when I strike down upon all of you with great
 vengence and furious anger because you are leading my
 sheep astray in the ways of the world.  
 
 stevie t >>
<sarcasm>Oh, you are truly a master with computer skills! Getting a new email 
address and all, that takes some serious innovation!</sarcasm>
.....dumbass........
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>  stevie t >>
> <sarcasm>Oh, you are truly a master with computer
> skills! Getting a new email 
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> innovation!</sarcasm>
> .....dumbass........
> ~Menning
> 

Apparently, I am a lot smarter than you would like to
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--- RaVeRaPuNK@aol.com wrote:
> are u part of a cult. if so. when do kill ur self

I am part of the cult of the rave. I am going to throw
a big party in Columbus someday under a different name
and feed everyone arsenic laced E.  You will all
succumb to my greatness when I bring everyone down
along with me in flames.  You will burn in hell since
you do not believe in my righteousness.  

Really, you couldn't get so lucky with me killing
myself.  I am here to plague you for the rest of my
days.

stevie t
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In a message dated 3/20/00 11:22:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
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<< Apparently, I am a lot smarter than you would like to
 think simply because I just can switch email addresses
 all day long.  You on the other hand will have to
 endure my posts. Joke's on you, dumbass. >>
No, what's hilarious is that you put such an effort into trying to be so 
damned annoying but it just doesn't even work for ya. I'm sorry, my little 
dumbass, just try some other way of getting back at us all.

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In a message dated 3/20/00 11:25:35 PM Central Standard Time, 
steviet2006@yahoo.com writes:

<< I am part of the cult of the rave. I am going to throw
 a big party in Columbus someday under a different name
 and feed everyone arsenic laced E.  You will all
 succumb to my greatness when I bring everyone down
 along with me in flames.  You will burn in hell since
 you do not believe in my righteousness.  
 
 Really, you couldn't get so lucky with me killing
 myself.  I am here to plague you for the rest of my
 days. >>

What did the kids do to you when you were little?

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> 
> What did the kids do to you when you were little?
> 

they fondled me ballsack and called me Spanky.

rave on.

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I promise you one thing, and that is that I am ten
million more times annoying to all of you than you are
to me.  Joke's still on you because you take the time
out of your oh-so-busy life to amuse me.  You are all
here for my amusement.  Ever like to think that God
was bored one day and put all of you here because I
had nothing better to do?  It's kind of like that.

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In a message dated 3/20/00 11:33:49 PM Central Standard Time, 
steviet2006@yahoo.com writes:

<< I promise you one thing, and that is that I am ten
 million more times annoying to all of you than you are
 to me.  Joke's still on you because you take the time
 out of your oh-so-busy life to amuse me.  You are all
 here for my amusement.  Ever like to think that God
 was bored one day and put all of you here because I
 had nothing better to do?  It's kind of like that. >>

No see, Stevie Hon, I have nothing better to do tonight, I'm really not busy 
at all. All I'm doing is drinking some tea and eating ice-cream, listening to 
my "Magic Carpet Ride (Steir's Mix)" and having a generally fine time. You're 
easily amused.

"I'm a highschool lover" -air
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none of the following are by any means crucial ideas, but they do offer a
bit more insight than stevie's analysis:

> >not only did it provide
> >a means to escape that fate, but it also provided the
> >organization necessary to bring the people together.

> c'mon stevie.  hip hop wasn't the first music to organize and unify the
> black community.  that's been going on in black music since the slave
days.
1) jon's right.  however the scope of black music and culture obviously
extends far beyond american slavery.  its roots are in traditional
spirtuality, dance, ritual and music of africa.

> >hip hop literally became "the voice" of the ghetto...
2) i think the origin of rap (now read: hip hop) is preceded by "the voice"
of the ghetto (the original Watts Prophets - check them out). in the
original post stevie reverses the direction of causality.

> >without it most of society would still be pretty ignorant
> >to the plight of the black man...
3) there are most certainly other forms of american music that portray "the
plight of the black man" -  like sprituals, blues, and jazz. further, the
blues became very popular as a means by which the artist communicated their
personal tragedies through their musical talent.  the blues equation is
simple:  tragedy + talent = life of the artist.  the caribbean islands also
share these influences in dub and reggae music and culture, which are
similar to the blues in political nature.

> >and how impossible it is
> >for minorities to escape poverty or being a slave to "the beast"
> >of dead end jobs and 40 hour work weeks...
4) stevie's orginal post seems to ignore the fact that most humans in the
21st century are working 40 hour weeks, regardless of minority status.  40
hour work weeks are the effect of globalization and the market economy.

my first time on the mw list.  hello to my friends - be gentle on me :P

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> No see, Stevie Hon, I have nothing better to do
> tonight, I'm really not busy 
> at all. All I'm doing is drinking some tea and
> eating ice-cream, listening to 
> my "Magic Carpet Ride (Steir's Mix)" and having a
> generally fine time. You're 
> easily amused.

If you have nothing better to do than respond to my
posts, you have a sad and sorry life and I feel pity
in my heart for you.  I may be easily amused, but
along with that comes a certain naivete, a certain
childlike innocence, a godliness of sorts.  All the
further more proof that I am the Messiah.  The Chosen
One to annoy the fuck out of all you sorry sad saps. I
appreciate the amusement I must say.  Too bad I must
laugh at the less fortunate.  Sorry you do not have
enough sense to just delete my posts.

stevie t

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stop responding to the fake stevie t and SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY.

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Lauryn....you speak ill of the George Foreman grill again and we're gonna go
round and round.

but seriously...i got one for christmas.  one of those
"geeee........thanks," gifts.  out of boredom i busted it out and while i
make no illusions about the thing making my cooking suddenly "healthy," i do
think it pretty much rocks.  i live alone because noone else on god's green
earth will tolerate my presence for more than 2 hours, and i actually use
the damn thing because it is fast, and easy as hell to clean.  now chads
gonna kick me offa the list for spamming, via this virtual infomercial.

maybe i'll bring it, along with a power inverter to furthur.  we'll see
whose laughing then!!!

    -George (bastard child of George Foreman, also known as bill)


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> i think they have indoor grills now. or they have those stoves that have
> one side as a grill...same effect as putting it on a grill kinda...i mean
> it doesnt have the charcoal going on but it has an electric thing
> underneath that heats up and then the grill is above that. my mom used to
> have one of those stoves. it was a bitch to clean.  if all else fails,
> george foreman grills might work. might not have the same "smoky" flavor
> and all but i think that it might do the trick. although those things are
> pretty lame.
>
> definitely use the extra firm tofu though if you are going to cook
> it...otherwise you will end up with a mushy mess. gross.
>
> peace
> lauryn.
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> ==========================Lauryn M. Goller================================
> "at exactly which point did you realize
> that life without knowledge
> is death in disguise?"- black star
>
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1. What you are doing has moved beyond childish to illegal, especially by threatening us with
violence. Your emails are being collected from the archives and forwarded to your ISP with an
explanation of your recent antics. Enjoy your internet service while it lasts.

2. It takes all of about 5 seconds for me to block an address. It takes you much longer to set up
new email accounts. Who's the real loser here? 

3. I feel sorry for you. I mean that. Get help, man. Take a walk or something, think about whether
this is really what you want to spend your time on. Seriously. I hope you have better things to do
with yourself. Talk to your friends, do something worthwhile. This is just a mailing list; words
on a screen, right? 

Go ahead and make a new account so I can see your reply. Show me how important I am to you. Makes
me feel special. ;]


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> Too bad I must
> laugh at the less fortunate.  Sorry you do not have
> enough sense to just delete my posts.

this is obviously not Steviet... this kid talks like a white boy, and it's
very plain to see.

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In a message dated 3/20/00 11:48:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
crege@students.wisc.edu writes:

<< stop responding to the fake stevie t and SHUT THE HELL UP ALREADY. >>

All right fine, it was getting boring anyways.

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or thereabouts.

no one will be able to post until the following monday as i will be doing
the "spring cleaning" that i alluded to earlier.  on monday, or at your
earliest convenience, you will need to resub yourself.

all the information you need to do that is at http://mw-raves.org

right now, i've closed the list to new subscribers, so there shouldn't be
anyone who doesn't recieve this message.  i will post a reminder before i
unsub everyone.

sorry for any inconvenience.

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you mean you didn't like that?

at least he did put nrr in the subject.  meaning you were actually intrigued
by the subject "how to be a hoe" and clicked on the link.  oh jaimmie.  i
could loan you some cash.

and while we are on the subject, when did a ho become a hoe?  or was this
gentleman really trying to push gardening tips on all of us?

i wonder....

    -bill

p.s. i do not *own* it, but i do have access to the fraggle rock albulm on
vinyl. :)


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>
>
> >http://www.swingerorama.com/23/HowToBeAHo-Set71-Jaime-pt4503_0502.jpg
>
> geez. thanks fer posting a link to a random brittany spears look alike.
do.
> do. do. fraggle rock.
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thank you.

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I guess I missed something, but why was Stevie T. thrown off the list to
begin with?
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 DJDolorem@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/20/00 11:22:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
> steviet2006@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> << Apparently, I am a lot smarter than you would like to
>  think simply because I just can switch email addresses
>  all day long.  You on the other hand will have to
>  endure my posts. Joke's on you, dumbass. >>
> No, what's hilarious is that you put such an effort into trying to be so 
> damned annoying but it just doesn't even work for ya. I'm sorry, my little 
> dumbass, just try some other way of getting back at us all.
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In a message dated 3/21/00 12:05:09 AM Central Standard Time, 
jaustria@students.depaul.edu writes:

<< I guess I missed something, but why was Stevie T. thrown off the list to
 begin with?
 Jerry
  >>
I don't really know. When I joined this list, he was just trying to be 
annoying, much like he is now.
"I'm a highschool lover"-air
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i see the thinly veiled innuendo missy.  just because i had specific demands
regarding my DELI TRAY (all meats, cheeses, crackers and breads must be the
same size,) and my big-bowl of starburst candies (all the ORANGE ones
removed,) that's no reason to jump into a PUBLIC FORUM and defame my
character! rock star indeed!

    -bill
    -superstar cowboy DJ dr thunder


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<snip>
> yes it's true that there are djs who LOVE their job.  They love making the
> crowd react AND they love getting into their act.  Again, lemme clarify
> before i go futhur.. i deal with rock stars.  With that said.. here we go:
> While rock stars are people too.. the most beloved stars are often nice
and
> accomodating to their fans, while there are other equally as talented
bands
> who are assholes, hence lose the popularity they could have.  IT is ALL
for
> show.  They do their job.  The meet the fans.  They go home tired.. and if
> they are lucky, fulfilled.
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Nobody likes me.
Everybody hates me.
I'm gonna eat some worms.

It's because I have ten times a better sense of humor than half of the
people on the list could ever imagine.  If people just had COMMON SENSE,
then I might not be as much of a pest as all of you perceive me to be.
It's called a DELETE KEY. Use it wisely, my dear friends. 

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SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO TALK LIKE STEVIE T????

its not that hard. i just did it.

hahahah.
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>Apparently, I am a lot smarter than you would like to
>think simply because I just can switch email addresses
>all day long.  You on the other hand will have to
>endure my posts. Joke's on you, dumbass.

so you are saying that you are subbed to the list 2 or 3 times so you can 
attempt to avoid peoples filters and spam their inbox?  im not sure who the 
joke is on...  hmm...

100 emails a day
times (X)
3 email accounts
equals (=)
a hell of alot of email to wade through...

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At 11:42 PM -0500 20/3/00, Sterling wrote:
>check the flyer:
>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Auditorium/9741/y2k.html

>From the flyer:

"No latex gloves or ceramic dolls"

That really makes me wonder what's happened at other parties they've thrown.



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I see, but when the faux T. spoke for the first time, he said something to
the effect of "see, you can't block/stop me" or whatnot, so I thought he
had gotten kicked off.
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, lauryn g. wrote:

> SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO TALK LIKE STEVIE T????
> 
> its not that hard. i just did it.
> 
> hahahah.
> lauryn.
> 
> 
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i think you both need to take this off of the list and into the mudpit at
wtw4

btw fergus, here in wisconsin we love to break records over one anothers
heads.  i had the honor of dan doormouse smashing records over my head at a
party in lovely rural west bend wisconsin.  later i fell over.  but i think
it was from the boone's farm, not the records.

incidentally, the harder the record slams on your head, the less it hurts.
odd.

    -bill

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> Are you a comedian?
>
> You are right, I am wrong. Let's all take a deep breath, shall we? There
you
> go....now don't you feel better? Now let's move on...
>
> Peace!
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 06:35:29 2000
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 Spirit316:  did you create that 'steviet2006' account? 
 DJDolorem:  no, I was arguing with stevie t 
 Spirit316:  that was obviously not stevie t 
 DJDolorem:  well whoever it was they were damned annoying 
 Spirit316:  you have no idea who the real stevie t is do you? 
 DJDolorem:  not at all 
 DJDolorem:  all I know is those emails were retarded 
 Spirit316:  if you check the mw-raves web page...under locations...and 
cleveland, you will see 
 Spirit316:  before chad, before mike brown, before illuminators, before ele 
mental, there was stevie t 
 Spirit316:  he is the creator 
 DJDolorem:  the creator of the list? 
 Spirit316:  and you have helped desecrate his name 
 Spirit316:  for this you shall be cursed 
 DJDolorem:  what is this all about? 
 Spirit316:  i am sorry, judgement has been passed...you have failed 
 DJDolorem:  alright then, have a nice day 

okay, this is harrassment, flat out. What should I do?
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 06:37:30 2000
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okay. i admit. i am the faux T. (i like that name. 40oz baby!) hahah.

anyway...i am sorry i clutter thine mailbox with more crap. i am really
tired of everyone responding to his shit. i just wanted to show all of you
how ridiculous it really is.  seriously, i think he does it for laughs.
the way a lot of people get their panties in a wad over some of the shit
that he spurts out is just insane.  generated simply out of amusing
himself.  some of the stuff that he says is valid.  he is a well educated
individual.  just has a twisted sense of self-worth, overactive
imagination, and humor.  i personally think that he is funny as hell
simply because he makes all of you angry to the point of threatening to
take away his ISP.  i dont like the fact that he does that simply because
it only adds more mail that i have to delete.  you guys respond, more shit
to delete.

the fact that there has been a bunch of people that i love that have
unsubbed because they are tired of the list due to the amount of mail and
bs that he puts the list through really is what makes me irate about the
situation.  the whole focus of the list has been moved from being
semi-related to the mw to nothing but stevie t and his incessant, endless
amounts of selfamusement.  

please, for the love of all things on this earth, just ignore him. if you
don't like his posts, don't voice it to the list.  just can it for a
while. and if you cannot do so, don't resub on monday. ive grown attached
to this damn list because of the people who have made the list real. not
to the people who just complain about how dumb stevie t is.  it's posts
like tim's post from earlier today that make me stay on this list. it's
people that i've seen and hung around with that have kept it real for me.
this list is not just a bunch of email addresses anymore. it hasn't been
for some time now.  but if all you want to do is complain about stevie t
or respond to his shit, you will just stay an email address to me.  a
faceless entity.  because unless you have something a little more
meaningful to say than "stevie t, you bite ass", then i dont care to read
what you say.

that is all.

love and light.
lauryn.

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i can't find my glove!!!!

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use a sock.

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In a message dated 3/21/0 6:36:04 AM, djdolorem wrote:

<<okay, this is harrassment, flat out. What should I do?
~Menning>>

redeem yourself.

the curse can be reversed only through good deeds.

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<<c'mon stevie.  hip hop wasn't the first music to organize
and unify the black community.  that's been going on in black
music since the slave days.>>
>
>yeah, if you call singing in the cotten fields a get together!

ever heard of masking?  pull your head out of your cunt.

you probably think kirk franklin's singing about you.

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Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 23:45:13 -0600
From: "Vince Woolums" <junglist@ia.net>
Subject: Re: [mw] Music and Society/Hello
>>c'mon stevie.  hip hop wasn't the first music to organize and unify the
>>black community.  that's been going on in black music since the slave 
>>days.
>
>1) jon's right.  however the scope of black music and culture >obviously
>extends far beyond american slavery.  its roots are in traditional
>spirtuality, dance, ritual and music of africa.

i should clarify and restate that thought.  i agree with vince there... i 
meant to say that black music IN AMERICA since the slave days has been 
providing unity and organization for the black community.

>3) there are most certainly other forms of american music that portray "the
>plight of the black man" -  like sprituals, blues, and jazz. further, the
>blues became very popular as a means by which the artist communicated their
>personal tragedies through their musical talent.  the blues equation is
>simple:  tragedy + talent = life of the artist.  the caribbean islands also
>share these influences in dub and reggae music and culture, which are
>similar to the blues in political nature.

...and these forms have been around long before hip-hop got its start.  also 
add to that list:  gospel and soul/r&b.

>my first time on the mw list.  hello to my friends - be gentle on >me :P

vince, we shall devour you.  a nice start to your descent into the depths of 
mw-raves.  seeya on the first!

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In a message dated 3/21/0 7:37:49 AM, dica666 wrote:

<<ever heard of masking?  pull your head out of your cunt.

you probably think kirk franklin's singing about you.>>

what the hell are you talking about?...

oh wait, my bad, you are in hell!

are you pullin shit outta your ass again dica?

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In a message dated 3/21/0 7:36:42 AM, dica666 wrote:

<<c'mon stevie.  hip hop wasn't the first music to organize
and unify the black community.  that's been going on in black
music since the slave days>>

odd thing was, i never said it was the first music to organize
and unify the black community.

this is all i said from my original post:

<<exactly, hip hop literally became "the voice" of the ghetto...
without it most of society would still be pretty ignorant
to the plight of the black man...and how impossible it is
for minorities to escape poverty or being a slave to "the beast" 
of dead end jobs and 40 hour work weeks>>

but i do like how you put words in my mouth...and
fail to comment on what i actually did say.

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Iam really fond of his new trakc son the "mankind"
label. I think mankind 6. Nothing like the clubby
shite iam used to him pumpin out.

peace,
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--- djtoki <djtoki@primary.net> wrote:
> Fuck yeah! Misjah is the man! X-trax is still my
> favorite label to date I
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1. Marco Bailey "Invasion Series" [invasion] <--DAMN, ILL
2. G-Force "Absolution" [genetic] <--Good, plus Geatek 
3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
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In a message dated 3/21/0 6:37:54 AM, lgoller wrote:

<<okay. i admit. i am the faux T. (i like that name. 40oz baby!) 
hahah.>>

alas, the great deciever has revealed itself!!

how easily you were decieved into desacrating our
father's name.

judgement has been passed, everyone has failed..

redeem yourselves!

read: THE BIBLE CODE by Michael Drosnin

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you LIKE that thing?  Man, what is this world coming to?
my stanky little bitch of a roommate has one... spent a nice penny on it too, 
from what i understand... you would think with the type of technology out 
there.. a drip pan wouldn't be needed..

but i suppose simple pleasures for simple minds.

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In a message dated 00-03-21 01:10:04 EST, wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com writes:

<< 
 i see the thinly veiled innuendo missy.  just because i had specific demands
 regarding my DELI TRAY (all meats, cheeses, crackers and breads must be the
 same size,) and my big-bowl of starburst candies (all the ORANGE ones
 removed,) that's no reason to jump into a PUBLIC FORUM and defame my
 character! rock star indeed!
 
     -bill
     -superstar cowboy DJ dr thunder
 
  >>
well if the cunnilingus had been any better.. maybe we could talk..  But as 
it stands now.. (grin).. you won't even get the ORANGE ones.


suzi.. goddamn we get vicious in the morning... isn't that right billy-boy?

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ALIENSQUAD presents

sat may 6 . lexington, ky . TRANSMISSION 01:01

first in a new series from the crew that brought you a new perspective on
events with the abduction parties in 99.

your guides for the evening.....
Johnny Fiasco - Afterhours.Tonic.Chicago
           Johnny Fiasco, is definitely one of the original Chicago house
people.  He's responsible for house anthems like "Conduction" and "Keep on
Dancing" that still pack dance-floors to this day.  He's
remixed for almost everybody and is a bad ass DJ to boot.  As far we
know, this is his first trip to this area in as long as we can remember.

Feelgood - Baltimore.www.djfeelgood.com
           Hailing from Baltimore, Feelgood has been a partner and fixture
at Baltimore's long running club night on alternating Thursdays - FEVER.
Along with his prductions on Charm City Records he is a full-on house DJ who
has kicked ass so many times in the midwest we don't know where to begin.
It wasn't easy to get him back to Lexington this time and we aim to show him
a good time like we did back in the old days.

Onionz - NYC.Electrik Soul.imperialdub.ChocolateFactory
           Onionz has been one of those DJs we just cannot get enough of.
We've seen him take a party headed for sure disaster and turn it 180 degrees
and then through the roof.  Onionz got his start on Long
Island as one of the founders of CAFFEINE, NYCs analog to FEVER.
With his recent successes on Moody and Siesta, as a producer propelling him
further up in our esteem, We am proud to be able to add him to a line-up
that just will not quit.

Joeski - NYC.ChocolateFactory.ChampionSound
           Joeski is also an old skool CAFFEINE DJ from NYC.  Late night
grooves and other funky stuff are his bread and butter.  Again this may will
be his first appearance in this area ever, it is certainly his first
sighting in Lextown; we can't wait to show off our scene!

SammE - Nashville.Teamsters.SoulBrothaz.PhatBastards
           We can't say enough about SammE.  SammE helped us kick off the
Abduction series last year with Halo.  Since then, he's been a great
surprise at several other events and an absolute hoot to hang out with.
He's probably one of the most animated DJs  we've ever seen and he knows how
to get people grooving!  We're tickled to be able to
bring him back for the kick-off of this new series.

Make sure you come early because only these 5 D.J.'s are playing and you
wouldn't wanna miss any one of them.

A full lighting rig with laser provided by Project 7.
A full Turbosound rig to pound you into submission

We will have free bottled water as usual, along with other giveaways.


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It's good to see those books are hitting their target audience...

Spirit316@aol.com wrote:

> redeem yourselves!
>
> read: THE BIBLE CODE by Michael Drosnin
>
> the year 2006 has been set.


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I just used the mathematical method that the Bible Code uses to "unveil great 
predictions" with my Playboy, and it says 2007........and I'll put more trust 
into my Playboy any day of the week.  : )

D.A.R.Y.L.

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if you have 3 people standing on a mountain looking at
the sun rise and you ask each of them what they see
you are going to get three diffrent responces.... 
religon and sience are those diffrent responses. they
are trying to explain the same thing just in two
diffrent ways.  if they didn't try to battle eachother
all the time they might notice this.....
-matt

--- "mike @ full spectrum" <djgruve@home.net> wrote:
> what does rave, science and religion have to do with
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> religion is something you believe in
> 
> -peace & love
> gruve
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> > > <<Science=Truth
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> > 
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Please join in the Canada - U.S. gas out.

Help fight these hight gas prices.  We are joining in an effort to lower gas 
prices with people around the U.S. and Canada.  On April 7 through April 9 
please do not buy gasoline.  You can buy it on the 6th or the 10th.  Please 
help to lower prices.  Do not buy gas April 7th - 9th.  If we work together 
we can get gas prices lowered.  Please pass this information on to your 
friends.  Write letters, send e-mails and talk talk talk...  We can do this 
if we work together.

Remember .. do not buy gas April 7-9th


bah.. most idealistic bullshit.
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, -chad sponholz- wrote:
> +keep in my mind, if you choose to be rid of him,
> +he may no longer assist you in the coming armageddon
> +scheduled for 2006.
> i'm thinking about scheduling an armageddon for 2004...
> i'll keep you posted. and i'll help y'all out, if you want.

How does 2003 look for everybody?  Anybody else in the midwest using it?

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The drip pan is a state of the art grease collection device.
i suppose you want grease all over the counter?

simple minds indeed!  that drip pan is PURE GENIUS!

    -bill

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> you LIKE that thing?  Man, what is this world coming to?
> my stanky little bitch of a roommate has one... spent a nice penny on it
too,
> from what i understand... you would think with the type of technology out
> there.. a drip pan wouldn't be needed..
>
> but i suppose simple pleasures for simple minds.
>
> suzi
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In a message dated 00-03-21 13:20:49 EST, wbunyan@milwaukeepc.com writes:

<< 
 The drip pan is a state of the art grease collection device.
 i suppose you want grease all over the counter?
 
 simple minds indeed!  that drip pan is PURE GENIUS!
 
     -bill
  >>

bah.  pure genius.  yeah..i guess if you just now learned the wonders of 
toilet paper, it WOULD be pure genius.  BTW... do you have on the same 
underwear as last time i talked to you?


(grin)
suzi...i'm goign nuts.

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sorry to disappoint you all, but armageddon is coming
tomorrow at 9/8 central.  even though God has been
putting up with all our bullshit for the last couple
thousand years, tomorrow he'll be driven over the edge
after having to delete another hundred Steviet related
messages from his mailbox.

the end is near!

--Will

--- atomly <atomly@atomly.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, -chad sponholz- wrote:
> > +keep in my mind, if you choose to be rid of him,
> > +he may no longer assist you in the coming
> armageddon
> > +scheduled for 2006.
> > i'm thinking about scheduling an armageddon for
> 2004...
> > i'll keep you posted. and i'll help y'all out, if
> you want.
> 
> How does 2003 look for everybody?  Anybody else in
> the midwest using it?
> 
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if there's anyone here who would be interested in a free ticket to go see
Sasha, Digweed, Rabbit in the Moon, Fabio, and Grooverider, along with
others, in Atlanta on April 1st.

No this isn't an April Fool's joke...I won a free ticket for being on Liquid
Groove's mailing list, and I won't be going. If there's any interest in this
ticket, let me know. If more than one person is interested, we're gonna play
a little game. You'll like it =]

anyway, let me know
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"Pixie" <pixie@bluegrass.net> wrote: 
> 
> if there's anyone here who would be interested in a free ticket to go see
> Sasha, Digweed, Rabbit in the Moon, Fabio, and Grooverider, along with
> others, in Atlanta on April 1st.
> 
> No this isn't an April Fool's joke...I won a free ticket for being on Liquid
> Groove's mailing list, and I won't be going. If there's any interest in this
> ticket, let me know. If more than one person is interested, we're gonna play
> a little game. You'll like it =]
> 
> anyway, let me know
> pixie

Yeah, we have our own plans!!!

nyah

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now, i like you suzi. but i'm with bill on this one.. i was introduced to 
the wonders of the george foreman lean mean grilling machine (tm) this past 
weekend, as my mom is an AVID promoter of it, and let me tell you it is one 
delightful little grilling machine. also, its easy to use and i didnt fuck 
anything up when i made chicken on it. cause i cant cook for the life of me. 
GENIUS!!
werd.
-val


>  The drip pan is a state of the art grease collection device.
>  i suppose you want grease all over the counter?
>
>  simple minds indeed!  that drip pan is PURE GENIUS!
>
>      -bill
>   >>
>
>bah.  pure genius.  yeah..i guess if you just now learned the wonders of
>toilet paper, it WOULD be pure genius.  BTW... do you have on the same
>underwear as last time i talked to you?
>
>
>(grin)
>suzi...i'm goign nuts.

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baw haw haw haw...

even if i wasn't a genius in the kitchen..i STILL would NOT use that grill!

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can't we all just all get aklong.......
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My parents gave me a George Foreman Lean Green Fat Reducin' Grillin'
Machine last year for Christmas and it sat in the box until this summer,
whereupon I forgot it in my old apartment.  I bet it would've been neat
for not dogs or something.  Oh well.

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i coudlnt off sed id bedder myself!!


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y0 whats up!
oh ya, delete this crap

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anyone?

thanks, y0

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Hey Pix, 

I found it. no price yet... no time slots either...

MARCH 24, 2000
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hey...I'm gonna be in indy this weekend and I wanna hang with anybody 
cool...hit me back and we can hook something up...

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 22:03:06 2000
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 Lincoln001@aol.com wrote:

+Remember .. do not buy gas April 7-9th

then how the hell am i supposed to get to and from lucy in the sky with
diamonds?!

do people pull the dates for stuff like this out of their ass?
jeez louise... why aren't we about real solutions here?

chad

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At 12:57 PM 3/21/00 -0600, atomly wrote:
>On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, -chad sponholz- wrote:
>> +keep in my mind, if you choose to be rid of him,
>> +he may no longer assist you in the coming armageddon
>> +scheduled for 2006.
>> i'm thinking about scheduling an armageddon for 2004...
>> i'll keep you posted. and i'll help y'all out, if you want.
>
>How does 2003 look for everybody?  Anybody else in the midwest using it?


i'm pretty sure 2003 is free.  mine isn't going to be until 2008... i like
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Oh, it's good for more then that........you can grill steaks in four minutes, 
the fat drips right into the pan thanks to a revolutionary slanted design, 
non stick, not even melted cheese!  And with it's hinge in the back, It can 
even do large porterhouse steaks!  I think it's the greatest appliance I've 
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Just knock out the fat.

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In a message dated 00-03-21 17:03:14 EST, chad@hyperreal.org writes:

<< 
 do people pull the dates for stuff like this out of their ass?
 jeez louise... why aren't we about real solutions here?
 
 chad
 
  >>

b/c real solutions are also too damn idealistic for my taste.

hehe..buy gas ..umm...before or after (Grin)

geez..chad.. (rolls eyes)..hehe..take a bike.

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i heard the dates had been changed to this weekend instead of the weekend of
April 7...

so chad, hunnay, you are saved!  go buy yer gas and go to lucy in the sky
with diamonds...i hopefully can make it...i'm throwing a party in des moines
the night before....i'll be dead ass tired---even more reason to try n pass
the test

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> On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 Lincoln001@aol.com wrote:
>
> +Remember .. do not buy gas April 7-9th
>
> then how the hell am i supposed to get to and from lucy in the sky with
> diamonds?!
>
> do people pull the dates for stuff like this out of their ass?
> jeez louise... why aren't we about real solutions here?
>
> chad
>
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>+Remember .. do not buy gas April 7-9th
>
>then how the hell am i supposed to get to and from lucy in the sky with
>diamonds?!

this is a one time offer. i will gladly give piggyback rides free of charge 
to any and all persons interested in attending lucy in the sky with diamonds 
while playing a trick on "the man".

i'm all about solutions.

love,
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 23:19:40 2000
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hi all....

just got back from the wild wilderness and boy do i have some new
tofu recipes...

A) 2 medium potatoes..peeled and shreded (let soak in water)
B) package of firm tofu..drained,cut lengthwise into 1/2 inch slabs
and place on towels to get excess water out
C) little dijion mustard
D) aunt janes "krazy mixed up salt"
E) olive oil, skillet(nonstick 7 inch if you've got one) and
a "high" temp spatula
F)cookie sheet

got it all? cool lets cook!!

*pre heat oven to 400
*turn on your stove to hi...put skillet on
 (the key to any type of sauteing is to have a hot ass skillet!!)
*add olive oil
*add potatoes,just covering the bottom of the skillet...just a little
bit bigger than the size of the cut tofu
(make sure to have your shreded potatoes drained and squeeze out water)
*add a lillte crazy salt
*smear some mustard on tofu and set on potatoes
*put more potatoes on top of tofu
*more krazy salt

**now shape your "pile" into a half moon and let one side
brown...then flip it over..let other side slightly brown....
throw it on a lightly oil cookie sheet and bake for 4 to 6 minutes!!

this will make 4 to 6 servings

good luck and look for more good things to come!!

xoxo

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 23:20:45 2000
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You Chicago people should get this crystal clear...

Remember when the Bulls and Blackhawks played at 'Chicago Stadium'? Now they play at 'United (airlines) Center'.  Oh... but it's bigger and more people can go (pay) and it's clean and has all
kinds of sponser adds everywhere and most of the people with good seats get in free cause their company bought the tickets. Who cares is the energy level (vybe) isn't anything like it used to be when they played at a smaller venue.
It's all about the money. And who cares if the players (or DJs) have a good heart and care about the fans. It's just a job to them. And it's a cut throat bussiness for them anyway.  Yeah... Let's go commerciization! We all just need money today! Who cares about substance and meaning. That won't buy your next car, or get a bigger house. Who cares that on top of the United Center there is a huge United Airlines logo as big as a football field for airplanes to see. We don't care about the substance of anything, and it dosn't care about us.

OK. I hope you realize now how evil and sarcastic this all is. You need more then money, faceless people and shallow relationships to have a full life.

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We're currently collecting feedback on a trance musician to book for Future 
Teknology 2 in Cincinnati.

While we have some good ideas of who we're going to bring, we want your 
feedback on a trance dj that you would love to hear.

please respond to subsonik_pro@hotmail.com

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 21 23:36:45 2000
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DJ Tsar. I hear he is badass and doesn't charge a lot
=)

Misha

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i heard he spun pussy trance :-)

Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> DJ Tsar. I hear he is badass and doesn't charge a lot
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Mark Allen,  Simon Posford, Tristan, Nick Taylor.

book any of them... and I'll be there :)  if your looking for stateside
talent:

Dj Storm (from milwuakee) or Hughe Sharpe.


tad

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>Teknology 2 in Cincinnati.
>
>While we have some good ideas of who we're going to bring, we want your 
>feedback on a trance dj that you would love to hear.
>
>please respond to subsonik_pro@hotmail.com
>
>thanks!
>
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Floorplan 05
Friday March 24th, 2000
Cincinnati, Ohio
Subsonik Productions
10pm - 6am+
An all night electronic dance music event.
Bangin' sound by C & D (we mean crisp, clear, bass heavy the way it should 
be) and minimal & intelligent lighting in an underground environment. We 
have a large space with plenty of room to dance and friendly security.
Admission is only $10 before midnight, $15 after.
Thanks to all who support the true underground.

with performances by:

_Kikoman_
Deep Fried, Power Music, Missile. Grand Rapids, Michigan.
The underground techno mafia is representing once again. We are excited and 
honored to have this powerful DJ and sought after producer to pound the 
floor with the master plan.

_Robert Curcio_
Dirty Loop, 3 to 5, Soiree, NightLife Collective, Mush, New York City. A 
world traveled DJ and producer. A Thousand Words magazine in Chicago listed 
Robert and his label Dirty Loop in the "Ten things to be really exited 
about" house music column. This man has played out at Cream in England and 
at events and clubs as far away as Japan, Germany, and France. Now you know 
why we bring him out so much!

_Derek Plaslaiko_
Detroit Bachelor Deejay's. Derek has been requested by many to be at one of 
our events.  He has been a regular on the Detroit and Midwest circuit, 
holding a residency at motor and playing out at countless events and clubs. 
Come witness this talented DJ from the motor city.

_Perry 'Paris' Ellis_
Dirty Loop, 3 to 5, Soiree, Skydata (Germany), Subsonik. Cincinnati.  Perry 
is an already established producer and DJ on the North American circuit.  
His releases on numerous labels have been selling out worldwide.  With more 
upcoming release scheduled on 3 to 5, Dirty Loop, Skydata, and High Octane 
Records (Chicago), the future is looking very bright for this veteran of the 
sound.

_Matt Bandy_
Alien Squad, Subterror. Lexington. A Midwest favorite and one of ours too. A 
floor moving blend of house and techno that will make you smile to the end 
and beg for more.

_Adam Jensen_
Subsonik. Cincinnati/Chicago. Everyone is catching and it's about time. Adam 
has an undeniable ability to move the floor with only the finest techno 
available. His sets are infiltrated with minimal funk and elaborate grooves 
that will make you sweat.

_React_
Subsonik. Cincinnati. The main figure behind Subsonik productions and a 
devoted advocate of the techno sound. His sets are hard, deep, meaningful 
and a direct reaction to the crowd. This is the floorplan.

_Headstrong_
Ruffdrapht, Subsonik. Cincinnati. Dark neuro-funk drum & bass straight from 
the UK and out of the bag.  Steve is in heavy demand as he is a talented DJ 
and prime selekta.  Check out his mix tape "the program" available at select 
shops and Subsonik direct.


For directions to the event and more information, please call 513.682.3282 
or visit us online at:  http://subsonik.linenoiz.com.

Support info-lines:  513.956.9600 -  614.470.2752

And Saturday July 29th in Cincinnati… FUTURE TEKNOLGY 2.
An all headliner, 2 room event featuring talent from Europe and North 
America.
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Christopher Lawrence
Kimball Collins
Sandra Collins
Seb Fontaine
Joey Beltram
Paul Van Dyk (the mutha of all trancers!!!)
Joshua Ryan
Hallucinogen
Sasha

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> We're currently collecting feedback on a trance musician to book for
Future
> Teknology 2 in Cincinnati.
>
> While we have some good ideas of who we're going to bring, we want your
> feedback on a trance dj that you would love to hear.
>
> please respond to subsonik_pro@hotmail.com
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No to sound mean, but could you tell me who those trance DJs are?  Where are they from?  They have any Audio online?
-H

> Mark Allen,  Simon Posford, Tristan, Nick Taylor.
> 
> book any of them... and I'll be there :)  if your looking for stateside
> talent:
> 
> Dj Storm (from milwuakee) or Hughe Sharpe.
> 
> 
> tad
> 
> At 11:32 PM 3/21/00 GMT, subsonik productions wrote:
> >We're currently collecting feedback on a trance musician to book for Future 
> >Teknology 2 in Cincinnati.
> >
> >While we have some good ideas of who we're going to bring, we want your 
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> >
> >please respond to subsonik_pro@hotmail.com
> >
> >thanks!
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Sorry for the delay but its all fixed up and working once more! 
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At 06:59 PM 3/21/00 EST, RaversBlow@aol.com wrote:
>No to sound mean, but could you tell me who those trance DJs are?  Where
are they from?  They have any Audio online?
>-H

>
>> Mark Allen (Quirk on Matsuri),  Simon Posford (Hallucinogen on Twisted),
Tristan (Twisted), Nick Taylor (Snake Thing on TIP).  

All of them fucking excellent producers and Djs from the UK. They all play
goa/ psy trance...
Nick taylor will often play truly fucked up shit that borders on
breaks/jungle/trance...
 
>> book any of them... and I'll be there :)  if your looking for stateside
>> talent:
>> 
>> Dj Storm (from milwuakee) or Hughe Sharpe.

Both of these Djs are from the US and very good.. I know Storm has an
online set...

I'll write back in a bit when I can find the online links...


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oh danny boy,

we were going to do one of them, but was set on DAVE the Drummer...

then we got the contract. It was bullshit. We respectfully declined to do 
business with DAMN.

just wanted to let ya know.
peace and see ya at floorplan (it's 05... kiko, you better be there!)


>From: "dj oracle" <djoracle@fuse.net>
>Reply-To: "dj oracle" <djoracle@fuse.net>
>To: "subsonik productions" <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [mw] trance, who is your fave?
>Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:48:48 -0500
>
>jon the dentist....or chris liberator...or dan efex is you need to keep it
>closer...
>
>dj oracle aka daniel j. britt
>940-b morris court cincinnati, ohio 45206
>techno/electro dj bookings: djoracle@visto.com
>fon: (513) 861-6760
>new website: http://zap.to/djoracle
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> >
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> >
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Does anyone know who handles Mark Almeria's bookings?  \\\\

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Personally, my vote goes with bringing back Merlyn (ok, so it might be a bit 
soon, but it's a thought). His beautiful breaks/trance set at Positive 2 
warmed my soul...and I don't even listen to much trance (I think it was the 
breakbeats that swayed me). But, this comes from a not-so-unbiased source :)

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but remember

 a wise man once said...

anus fries are goooood!
butthole lettuce stays fresh for a long time!
and those vaginal wart tosties are the best cereal that a young punta
can eat!

don't forget the anal discharge juice to wash it down!



subsonik productions wrote:

> i heard he thinks techno is dead.
>
> HA!
>
> just playing.
>
> no more, please.
>
> grant stole underware from headstrong.
> they were making out to trance. (i think it was a tsar tape)
>
> that all.
>
> >From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> >Reply-To: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: Re: [mw] trance, who is your fave?
> >Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:50:16 -0500
> >
> >i heard he spun pussy trance :-)
> >
> >Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> >
> > > DJ Tsar. I hear he is badass and doesn't charge a lot
> > > =)
> > >
> > > Misha
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i heard he thinks techno is dead.

HA!

just playing.

no more, please.

grant stole underware from headstrong.
they were making out to trance. (i think it was a tsar tape)

that all.







>From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
>Reply-To: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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>Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 18:50:16 -0500
>
>i heard he spun pussy trance :-)
>
>Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
>
> > DJ Tsar. I hear he is badass and doesn't charge a lot
> > =)
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Floorplan 05
Friday March 24th, 2000
Cincinnati, Ohio
Subsonik Productions
10pm - 6am+
An all night electronic dance music event.
Bangin' sound by C & D (we mean crisp, clear, bass heavy the way it should 
be) and minimal & intelligent lighting in an underground environment. We 
have a large space with plenty of room to dance and friendly security.
Admission is only $10 before midnight, $15 after.
Thanks to all who support the true underground.

with performances by:

_Kikoman_
Deep Fried, Power Music, Missile. Grand Rapids, Michigan.
The underground techno mafia is representing once again. We are excited and 
honored to have this powerful DJ and sought after producer to pound the 
floor with the master plan.

_Robert Curcio_
Dirty Loop, 3 to 5, Soiree, NightLife Collective, Mush, New York City. A 
world traveled DJ and producer. A Thousand Words magazine in Chicago listed 
Robert and his label Dirty Loop in the "Ten things to be really exited 
about" house music column. This man has played out at Cream in England and 
at events and clubs as far away as Japan, Germany, and France. Now you know 
why we bring him out so much!

_Derek Plaslaiko_
Detroit Bachelor Deejay's. Derek has been requested by many to be at one of 
our events.  He has been a regular on the Detroit and Midwest circuit, 
holding a residency at motor and playing out at countless events and clubs. 
Come witness this talented DJ from the motor city.

_Perry 'Paris' Ellis_
Dirty Loop, 3 to 5, Soiree, Skydata (Germany), Subsonik. Cincinnati.  Perry 
is an already established producer and DJ on the North American circuit.  
His releases on numerous labels have been selling out worldwide.  With more 
upcoming release scheduled on 3 to 5, Dirty Loop, Skydata, and High Octane 
Records (Chicago), the future is looking very bright for this veteran of the 
sound.

_Matt Bandy_
Alien Squad, Subterror. Lexington. A Midwest favorite and one of ours too. A 
floor moving blend of house and techno that will make you smile to the end 
and beg for more.

_Adam Jensen_
Subsonik. Cincinnati/Chicago. Everyone is catching on and it's about time. 
Adam has an undeniable ability to move the floor with only the finest techno 
available. His sets are infiltrated with minimal funk and elaborate grooves 
that will make you sweat.

_React_
Subsonik. Cincinnati. The main figure behind Subsonik productions and a 
devoted advocate of the techno sound. His sets are hard, deep, meaningful 
and a direct reaction to the crowd. This is the floorplan.

_Headstrong_
Ruffdrapht, Subsonik. Cincinnati. Dark neuro-funk drum & bass straight from 
the UK and out of the bag.  Steve is in heavy demand as he is a talented DJ 
and prime selekta.  Check out his mix tape "the program" available at select 
shops and Subsonik direct.



For directions to the event and more information, please call 513.682.3282 
or visit us online at:  http://subsonik.linenoiz.com.

Support info-lines:  513.956.9600 -  614.470.2752

And Saturday July 29th in Cincinnati… FUTURE TEKNOLGY 2.
An all headliner, 2 room event featuring talent from Europe and North 
America.
More info to T.B.A. soon!


>From: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
>Reply-To: Becky Wangenheim <wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu>
>To: Mw-Ravers <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: [mw] Floorplan Info
>Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:20:12 -0500 (EST)
>
>Hey Pix,
>
>I found it. no price yet... no time slots either...
>
>MARCH 24, 2000
> > FLOORPLAN 05-CINCINNATI
> > 513.682.3282
> > http://subsonik.linenoiz.com
> > KIKOMAN-DETROIT
> > PERRY PARIS ELLIS-CINCINNATI
> > ROBERT CURCIO-NYC
> > MATT BANDY-LEXINGTON
> > DEREK PLAISLAIKO-DETROIT
> > ADAM JENSEN-CINCINNATI
> > REACT-CINCINNATI
> > HEADSTRONG-CINCINNATI
>
>
>-Becky =)
>
>wangenra@entropy.muc.muohio.edu
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I believe correct spelling would be underWEAR =)

misha

P.S. techno is dead along with trance, jungle, house
and new wave. HHC REIGNS FOREVER!

--- subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
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> i heard he thinks techno is dead.
> 
> HA!
> 
> just playing.
> 
> no more, please.
> 
> grant stole underware from headstrong.
> they were making out to trance. (i think it was a
> tsar tape)
> 
> that all.
> 
> 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 00:59:03 2000
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>>> Mark Allen (Quirk on Matsuri),  Simon Posford (Hallucinogen on Twisted),
>Tristan (Twisted), Nick Taylor (Snake Thing on TIP).  


Tristan and Simon P (hallucingoen) have online sets here:
http://www.thump-radio.com/html/trance.html

>>> 
>>> Dj Storm (from milwuakee) or Hughe Sharpe.
>
Storm has an online set here:  http://www.detrave.net/djstorm/



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Subject: [mw] a little (long) story, by a kind man named Jon
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First of all, to the admins of both lists, its ok now
boys.
Second, I didn't really have a chance to write about
my escapades of the last two weekends, so guess what.
Im gwanna do it all in this har message.

OK first of all, I got the priviladge of playing to a
bunch of Omaha kids on Friday the 10th, at Good
Medicine.  It was a nice little party, not too small,
not too large, and you could walk around at it, yay.
Some highlights of the night were definitely Zack
Church who played an entire set of 2-step garage.  Now
I don't really care for speed garage, but the 2-step
variety really kicks ass.  As .com put it, "It's like
if Timberland decided to start producing garage".  The
time he played wasn't the right time for it, but
something like 4 in the morning would have been the
perfect time to hear this shit, it was sweet.  Second
highlight would have to be ADB, I used to not care for
his MCing skills, but he has really improved since
last time I heard him.  He has really grasped that UK
MCing style.
  The next day .com and DJ Lee came down to St. Louis
to attend Lots of Love wit me.  We went to the venue,
and it was fucking PACKED!!  A bit too crowded for me
(I was later informed that they lost a couple spaces
only a few weeks before the party so they had to
settle with this space, shit happens).  Anyway, Spree
was playing in the main room, so I pushed my way into
the second room where Nantron 88 was spinning a kick
ass ghetto set.  Got to slap asses with quite a few
people including Maureen, who then proceeded to diss
me the entire rest of the week, thanks Maureen!  Heard
Funk, wasn't impressed at all, you'd think after all
of these years he'd get a grasp on how to spin, oh
well.  
    ffwd to Tuesday where me and a few freinds
celebrated me birthday at Lewellyns.  Everyone had a
drunken good time, fuck a rave.  Like I said to
Marcus, "next time you throw a party, you should just
get a bunch of tables and chairs and have waitresses
going around serving pints of Guiness, now thats a
party!"
    On to Friday.  I wasn't even thinking about going
to that damn Enigma party (from what I heard they
should have called it rock n roll n horse shit).  It's
St. Patty's day for christs sakes!  Back to the Pub
for more drinking!
    The next day I had to go down to Springfield to
play at A Momentary Laps of Time.  DJ's let me tell
ya, if ya wanna be treated right, play in Springfield,
4star hotel room, dinner catered by the Olive Garden,
and free wine and beer, ahhhh!  The party itself was
pretty cool.  The space was tight as hell, made to
handle a huge amount of kids, too bad they didn't have
more attend (you all prolly should have saved your
money from Enigma and came down to Springfield).  My
timeslot got pushed back from 2 to 4 to 4 to 6 which
was a bit taxing, but no skin off my back.  PMS and
Scenario were dope, and the two hip hop DJ's were
pretty good too.  
   Next day after the party ate the gormet buffet
provided by the hotel, then back to home.  What a
fucking week, good thing I took off vacation time.

Words to sum up this week would have to be....
cocain and limousines
and cherry tacos

btw, .com and DJ Lee know the names of everykind of
douhnut known to man, just a little fact for ya.
peace!

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DJ TSAR MISHA ONE BAND MAN PROLONG UNIBROW!
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so moniez doesn't make tha werld go 'round?


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> You Chicago people should get this crystal clear...
>
> Remember when the Bulls and Blackhawks played at 'Chicago Stadium'? Now
they play at 'United (airlines) Center'.  Oh... but it's bigger and more
people can go (pay) and it's clean and has all
> kinds of sponser adds everywhere and most of the people with good seats
get in free cause their company bought the tickets. Who cares is the energy
level (vybe) isn't anything like it used to be when they played at a smaller
venue.
> It's all about the money. And who cares if the players (or DJs) have a
good heart and care about the fans. It's just a job to them. And it's a cut
throat bussiness for them anyway.  Yeah... Let's go commerciization! We all
just need money today! Who cares about substance and meaning. That won't buy
your next car, or get a bigger house. Who cares that on top of the United
Center there is a huge United Airlines logo as big as a football field for
airplanes to see. We don't care about the substance of anything, and it
dosn't care about us.
>
> OK. I hope you realize now how evil and sarcastic this all is. You need
more then money, faceless people and shallow relationships to have a full
life.
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i heard the same...huh...interesting...  :0P

should i believe the hype?

peash n luv
hecate


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> i heard he spun pussy trance :-)
> 
> Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> 
> > DJ Tsar. I hear he is badass and doesn't charge a lot
> > =)
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I believe the correct spelling would be COUNTRY ... =)

Misha

P.S. DJ Gruve is dead along with techno.

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Does anyone know if LSD or Psyilocibin(Mushrooms) show up on piss tests?
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well you russians spell everything wrong so i was just trying to be like you

and gruve is dead!  but this new 4x4x7 is kickin

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> I believe the correct spelling would be COUNTRY ... =)
> 
> Misha
> 
> P.S. DJ Gruve is dead along with techno.
> 
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At 06:58 PM 3/21/00 -0500, BECHDEL,CURT wrote:
>Hallucinogen

This man, Simon Posford, is a fucking genius.  Book him and I can guarantee
you, that many many people will come just to see him.

tad


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>> We're currently collecting feedback on a trance musician to book for
>Future
>> Teknology 2 in Cincinnati.
>>
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In a message dated 3/21/00 10:17:44 AM Central Standard Time, 
mbandy3_14@yahoo.com writes:

<< if you have 3 people standing on a mountain looking at
 the sun rise and you ask each of them what they see
 you are going to get three diffrent responces.... 
 religon and sience are those diffrent responses. they
 are trying to explain the same thing just in two
 diffrent ways.  if they didn't try to battle eachother
 all the time they might notice this.....
 -matt >>
Well said, I came to that conclusion after a 4 hour discussion with a small 
group of friends. This is really the only explanation.

"I'm a highschool lover"-air

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Yeah, he was  headliner at Psychosis in Pittsburgh back in February.  By far
and away one of the best parties I've been too, all trance, all night.
Check out the party archives at www.chemlab.org

The vibe was tremedous, and the lineup was perfect together.  Everyone
danced till dawn.....


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> At 06:58 PM 3/21/00 -0500, BECHDEL,CURT wrote:
> >Hallucinogen
>
> This man, Simon Posford, is a fucking genius.  Book him and I can
guarantee
> you, that many many people will come just to see him.
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> tad
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In a message dated 3/21/00 7:39:45 PM Central Standard Time, 
djtoki@primary.net writes:

<< Does anyone know if LSD or Psyilocibin(Mushrooms) show up on piss tests?
 For anyone that has to take piss tests, which work the best? >>
LSD can only be found if they do a chemical check on your hair of they do a 
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At 8:49 PM -0500 21/3/00, DJDolorem@aol.com wrote:
>LSD can only be found if they do a chemical check on your hair of they do a
>spinal tap. As for shrooms, I dunno.

What part of LSD stays in your spinal fluid? Is it just some byproducts of
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New gas chromatography testing on urine can detect the presence of LSD
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> At 8:49 PM -0500 21/3/00, DJDolorem@aol.com wrote:
> >LSD can only be found if they do a chemical check on your hair of they do
a
> >spinal tap. As for shrooms, I dunno.
>
> What part of LSD stays in your spinal fluid? Is it just some byproducts of
> the drug, or what?
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PAUL VAN DYK is da shit     

--- "mike @ full spectrum" <djgruve@home.net> wrote:
> well you russians spell everything wrong so i was
> just trying to be like you
> 
> and gruve is dead!  but this new 4x4x7 is kickin
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> > I believe the correct spelling would be COUNTRY
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> > P.S. DJ Gruve is dead along with techno.
> > 
> > --- "mike @ full spectrum" <djgruve@home.net>
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> > > DJ TSAR MISHA ONE BAND MAN PROLONG UNIBROW!
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WHO HERE LIKES TRANCE, AND PLEASE NAME OFF ALL YOUR FAVORITE ACTS!  THEN
POST IN AGREEMENT WHEN SOMEONE POSTS A TRANCE DJ THAT YOU LIKE BUT FORGOT
TO MENTION IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST.  THANKS THIS IS FOR A SCHOOL PAPER.

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dj storm
barbarella
os/2
dan efex
kuma
chris liberator
roland the bastard
drc
mary jane
jon the dentist
commander tom
dave trance
dr. trance
chris lawrence
psychopod
frank e
eon ion

peace n love
hecate

(chris, good seeing you again at From 0 to 1 in Iowa City!!)

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> 
> WHO HERE LIKES TRANCE, AND PLEASE NAME OFF ALL YOUR FAVORITE ACTS!  THEN
> POST IN AGREEMENT WHEN SOMEONE POSTS A TRANCE DJ THAT YOU LIKE BUT FORGOT
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At 08:46 PM 3/21/00 -0600, chris ege wrote:
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>WHO HERE LIKES TRANCE, AND PLEASE NAME OFF ALL YOUR FAVORITE ACTS!  THEN
>POST IN AGREEMENT WHEN SOMEONE POSTS A TRANCE DJ THAT YOU LIKE BUT FORGOT
>TO MENTION IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST.  THANKS THIS IS FOR A SCHOOL PAPER.
>

LIKE WOW THAT IS SOOOOOO FUCKING COOL.  YOU ARE WRITING A PAPER ON FAVORITE
TRANCE DJS? YOU MUST GO TO A COOL SCHOOL.  YOU ARE SO LUCKY.  I CAN TELL
FROM YOUR POST THAT YOU ARE VERY INTELLIGENT. YOU FOR SURE MUST BE AT LEAST
A JUNIOR IN HIGHSCHOOL, AND YOU STILL RAVE? YOU ARE OLD SCHOOL.  PLEASE
WHEN YOU FINISH YOUR PAPER, SHARE YOUR KNOWLEDGE WITH US.  YOUR POSTS ARE
THE FUCKING RADDEST, THANK YOU SOO MUCH FOR PROVIDING SUCH INSIGHTFUL
INFORMATION.  SOME DAY I WILL BUY YOU CHEESE ON A STICK BECAUSE YOU ARE SO
FUCKING COOL. 


TAD 





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OOPS! PLEASE DISREGARD PREVIOUS POST THAT WAS MEANT TO BE PRIVATE. SORRY
FOR WASTING YOUR BANDWIDTH.


TAD

I *HEART* RICHARD HAWTIN


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the funniest part of a joke is so often the one who doesn't get it.

this is not a one-liner.

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Dan Efex
Simon Posford (Hallucinogen/Shpongle)
Joti Sidhu
X-Dream
DJ Brian of Moontribe
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is a web adress for his sets. they are both very good. i think


http://www.purerave.com/~djstorm/sets.html


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i was very surprised i havnt found any words on Positive2 on this list.

for all of you that were not there you missed a very beautiful night. that 
was one of the most amazing gatherings i have ever participated in.

rock on nuatigroove


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no they are not coming to town anytime soon. but they all had cd releases on 
moonshine today.


dj dan    another late night

ive had the  cd for awhile now. its very very very i repeat very good. go buy 
it,steal it,copy it.... like i do
its very upbeat. non stop dancing. 

i work at waves musik in kenwood mall. we get all the promos of the new shit 
that come sout. ive been listenig to the dj dan for awhile now its sooo 
fuckin good. buy it


christopher lawrence...   trilogy

just got my hands on it yesterday.. very good from what i see so far. well 
what else do you expect from him... geez


deisel boy.. i dunno we dont have it.


o yeah dj dara released another cd to.... i ferget the title  but its very 
calm drum an bass.. quite nice


peace
Gabe


Nsync came out today to. i know yuo already got a copy


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derek plaslaiko (the MUTHA of all trance dj's!)



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.......  jon/dica - massive honky - angel of death  .......
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yah...because he boxez kangarooz


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> derek plaslaiko (the MUTHA of all trance dj's!)
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> .......  jon/dica - massive honky - angel of death  .......
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> 
> WHO HERE LIKES TRANCE, AND PLEASE NAME OFF ALL YOUR FAVORITE ACTS!  THEN
> POST IN AGREEMENT WHEN SOMEONE POSTS A TRANCE DJ THAT YOU LIKE BUT FORGOT
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I know that GNC has a large selection of pills for "flushing out the system", 
and I believe that LSD only shows up in urine within two days of taking it, 
and after that it's only available through spinal tap?  I'm not sure, I guess 
it's just heresay, but maybe I'm right, LOL.  I do know that the GNC people 
have helped out many people I know....just start drinking water or cranberry 
juice.  : )

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Hecate wrote:
> yah...because he boxez kangarooz

More like he gets his bitch ass knocked out by kangaroos!

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Ok, myth debunking time.
1.  LSD cannot be detected by a spinal tap.
2.  LSD does not stay in your body for any length of time.  It's water soluable
and the molecule is very fragile (the chlorine in tap water will destroy it), so
it's either flushed out of your body or else metabolized pretty quickly.  Both
it and psilocybin (in shrooms) are completely out of your system within 24-48
hours, 72 hours tops.
They probably won't test for shrooms, it's more likely that they will for LSD.
Opiates, cannabis, coke, and amphetamines are the biggies that they look for.
3.  Just had to throw in this neat fact.  Only .01% of the LSD you take actually
reaches your brain (see the book Acid Dreams at Erowid).  That's one DAMN
powerful molecule.


The Alchemist

William MacKay wrote:

> At 8:49 PM -0500 21/3/00, DJDolorem@aol.com wrote:
> >LSD can only be found if they do a chemical check on your hair of they do a
> >spinal tap. As for shrooms, I dunno.
>
> What part of LSD stays in your spinal fluid? Is it just some byproducts of
> the drug, or what?
>
> And why doesn't this stuff get flushed out of your system eventually?
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butt blood and poop on the pigs penis, so i then began
vomiting and puking profusely when all of a sudden the
cop cummed (came), and i washed it all down with his
creamy semen.  I knew at that moment that i was at an
all time high and no drug in the world can even come
close to the feeling i had that night.
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It's official...Vertigo will open March 31st, 2000.


V   E   R   T   I   G   O

Milwaukee's only club entirely
dedicated to electronic music.

-<- SNEAK PREVIEW ->-

Friday, March 31st
DJ Deelishus - House, Jungle, Techno
Plus special guest(s)

Saturday, March 31st
DJ Synergy - House
Plus special guest(s)

----------------------------------------------

Regular DJ schedule begins
Wednesday, April 5th:

Wednesdays - Drum & Bass
Resident DJ Kid Entropy from Chicago

Thursdays - Progressive, Trance & Techno
Resident DJ Matt Michaels from Chicago

Fridays - Guest DJs from around the world
Resident DJ Deelishus - House, Jungle & Techno

Saturdays - House 
Resident DJ Synergy plus Special Guest

Sundays - Industrial, Hard Beat & New Wave
Featuring a rotating schedule of Milwaukee,
Chicago and Madison area DJs.

WATCH FOR OUR GRAND OPENING
CELEBRATION LATER IN APRIL !

Vertigo is located at
6330 W. Greenfield Ave.

>From I-94, exit 70th St. South.
Turn LEFT (east) on Greenfield.
Vertigo is located on the north-east
corner of 64th and Greenfield.

Limited free parking available in
city lot on 64th St.  More free 
parking within a few blocks 
and on the street.

Open @ 8pm.
Close @ bar time.
21 & over

DJ announcements,
Drink specials &
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ruby bagonia aka superstars of love aka all time high...

beautiful post!!  fucking stunning!  must admit great plug too!   =)

"I knew at that moment that i was at an all time high and no drug in the
world can even come close to the feeling i had that night."

have fun playing in the "land of breaks" aka Florida!  i'll see you when you
get back!  make sure you tell Oakey what a suck ass dj he is!!!

*gigglez*

toodlez
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Subject: [mw] the best night of my life...


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 06:02:26 2000
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In a message dated 3/21/00 10:39:40 PM Central Standard Time, 
budzekkj@notes.udayton.edu writes:

<< i *heart* wesley willis >>

My favorite song....I whooped Batman's ass

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> have fun playing in the "land of breaks" aka Florida!  i'll see you when you

i vomit on breakbeats.  okay. dont get me wrong, breaks are okay. but
endless hours of them don't inspire anything but fear and distaste in my
heart. heheh. i just got back from there (spring break. ayeayeaye.) i got
to see huda hudia (aka nudia julia...dont ask..we created a new name just
to entice people to go to the party...it was retarded. obviously enough.)
i still for some reason want to go back (i think its that big swimming
pool in their backyard called the ocean <and the fact its WARM..unlike
indiana>) 

anyway...to reiterate==> breaks=yuck...florida=take me with you. 

lauryn.


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><< i *heart* wesley willis >>
>
>My favorite song....I whooped Batman's ass
i dunno about for me.. but rocknroll mcdonalds is definitely up there. ooh,
and cut the mullet.. kmfdm, and suck a cheetahs dick..

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1 Paul Van Dyk
2 Paul Van Dyk
3 Paul Van Dyk
4 Paul Van Dyk
5 Sasha

thats pretty much my top 5



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 07:50:55 2000
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anyone know about an old school acid night happening in milwaukee this
wednesday or next? i think it's at dish....bueller? anyone?

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--- otis watkins <drdoit2ya@yahoo.com> wrote:
> talk to me lover cum on tell me what you taste
> didnt yo momma tell ya life is too good to waste
> did she tell ya lovesexy was the glam of them all
> you can hang you could trip on it you surely wont
> fall
> no side effects the feelin lasts forever
> straight up it tastes good it makes you feel clever
> you kiss your enemies like you know you should
> and then you jerk yo body like a horny pony would
>                                              -uh huh
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exactly my point!

"the land of breaks" aka florida
<insert sarcasm here>

*shudders and vomits with lauryn*


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> > have fun playing in the "land of breaks" aka Florida!  i'll see you when
you
>
> i vomit on breakbeats.  okay. dont get me wrong, breaks are okay. but
> endless hours of them don't inspire anything but fear and distaste in my
> heart. heheh. i just got back from there (spring break. ayeayeaye.) i got
> to see huda hudia (aka nudia julia...dont ask..we created a new name just
> to entice people to go to the party...it was retarded. obviously enough.)
> i still for some reason want to go back (i think its that big swimming
> pool in their backyard called the ocean <and the fact its WARM..unlike
> indiana>)
>
> anyway...to reiterate==> breaks=yuck...florida=take me with you.
>
> lauryn.
>
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Unfortunately I am an avid MTV viewer(its always on my 2nd puter)
Being pickiest person I know when it comes to music its weird that I 
actually saw 2Videos that I LOVED, today during my usual studio sessions.

Kittie "Brackish"?
 
SystemOfADown "didnt get the name"? Looked like a NIN video
with agirl floatin out of a bathtub full o' goo and shit


In an desperate effort to discover if MTV is corrupting my perception of
music all together, I am asking if anyone else has seen the videos,
and if so what did you think?


Is this happening to anyone else??????

     H
   E
L

P
     
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                  E

     

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Just use the sarcasm tags.  Example:

<sarcasm>There's no in the music industry as fresh and
talented as Kid Rock!</sarcasm>

--- RaversBlow@aol.com wrote:
> OK. I hope you realize now how evil and sarcastic
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int main()
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> Hey all,
>    Lil' Diva productions is back w/ its next event:
>                 JUNGLE WARFARE!!
> Come see some of the best regional junglists teach you
> a little JUNGLE WARFARE!
> March 31st, 2000 @ The Electric Groove Box in Nashville, TN!
> Doors open at 10pm! ID required! $TBA Info lines:(615)201-2423 &
> (615)400-3815!
>         Room 1                                      Room 2
> 10pm-12am     HAVOK             10PM-12:30AM     B-PLUS & MENACE
>              Nashville                            High Society
> 12am-1:30am   BLONDIE           12:30AM-2AM      LARY BREAKS
>              King Funk                            Assembly Required
>              THE 20 HrTz CARTEL                  WORLD CONSPIRACY
> 1:30AM-3AM       BOBBLE         2AM-3AM               MISS K
> 3AM-4:30AM       GRAHAM         3AM-4:30AM            FLIP C
> 4:30AM-6AM    DORIAN            4:30AM-6AM       MK2
>             Goodfellaz                           Nashville
> Directions from I-24, I-40, & I65N: Take I-65 South to Wedgewood Exit!
> turn right! Turn left at first trafic light! The Electric Groove Box is
> on the right, next to the Captian D's Seafood!
> Directions from I-65S: Take I-65 North to Wedgewood Exit! Turn left!
> Turn left at first traffic light! The Electric Groove Box is on the
> right, next to Captain D's!
> Also watch for DIVAS OF THE DANCEFLOOR 2(april 28th), SUPAFLY 2(May,
> 11th)
> Thanx,
> Jayson
> Lil' Diva Productions


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05.06.00
Pittsburgh, PA
Infinite Velocity and pHryL internatinal
present (the ultimate night in hard techno, dark jungle, happy hardcore,
and hardcore!)

COURTS OF CHAOS

We will be selling pre-sale tickets through the mail for this event, if
you are interested, please respond to this address, or call 412.734.5425

Tickets are also available at Grand Poobas, Culture 7, and Fame Records.

Cost of the ticket is $23

Cost of the party is $25 with full custome (candy does not count!)
--------------------------->$30 without

The Lineup will be posted sometime during my next class ; ) virtual
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School's getting hairy.  Don't have an hour and a half a day to wade
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How about Shoot My Jam Session Down or Vultures Ate My Dead Ass Up?  There
are so many great ones, really!

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test. from what i understand, the list is going down today. just testing to
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Where's the hardcore?

Where's the IDM?  

Trance DJs build up "dozens of times" in a set?  Trance DJs build up more
often than I blink.  :P

Krust is at the forefront of jungle?

OK, enough picking on them for now... :)

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Techno DJ's love it when you call their mixing "soulless".
Try it some time!

"Hey, Mills! That set was completely devoid of soul! Relentlessly banging!"



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don't speak too soon.:D

anyway, i went to positive even though the techno mafia wasn't down with it. 
I said, "no man, jason's cool. he asked me to play... whatever." So I went. 
We got there early (cause he put me on early when in fact, I should played 
prime time in place of the dj that was train wrecking) but that's okay. I'm 
not sweating it.

As for the space. I don't have a problem with the Dayton gym club but a lot 
of people seem to. Spaces are hard to find. The gym club is fine in my book. 
The sound was good. I was expecting Turbo Sound but it turned out to be 
Cerwin Vega. Cerwin Vega makes good speakers but they just don't make the 
cut when you compare them to EV, EAW, Turbosound, JBL, etc. as far as 
concert sound is concerned. The lighting was good... Technobeams, plus there 
were screens both upstairs and downstairs.

The music... hmm. Merlin was really good. Nauti Groove tore shit up but 
played a little too long. He gave a nice speech before his set.
Anyway, Dr. Trance is a buster. Sorry. I was not feeling his set at all and 
the crowd seemed to be all tranced out. Anyone ever heard of techno? I 
didn't stay for Matt Bandy but we all know he rocks. Mistic Bill was sloppy. 
He played some good cuts though. Sonic threw down a really tight 
techno/house/acid house p.a. He played early too.
Go figure. He finished it with some nice drum-n-bass... two thumbs up. TEK 
United (three members from Twilight Sleep) have mad gear and they're very 
good. Nice D & B. (promoters-check these guys out)


I rocked. Spahn rocked. We rock. React techno devestation. Spahn is the drum 
& bass destroyer. Subsonik represent. Spahn played some sick new stuff. Dark 
UK flavor... the crowd was into his selction.
The new Matrix album is sick. If any promoters want a tape - email.
I played a very deverse mix of surgeon/marco carola/g-man/basic 
channel/mills/hawtin/subjective/beyer/ben simms/joel mull/gaetano/wouldn't 
you like to be a techno pimp too. those guys rule.


Overall the party was good. It was ran well. The vibe was real tight and the 
shade was minimal. Kids need to wise the fuck up. There were too many people 
wacked out.

the door price was all wrong but oh well. still a good party.


so there you have it. my two cents.

peace.

















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>Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:43:02 EST
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>i was very surprised i havnt found any words on Positive2 on this list.
>
>for all of you that were not there you missed a very beautiful night. that
>was one of the most amazing gatherings i have ever participated in.
>
>rock on nuatigroove
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>Gabriel
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>I'll see you all there.
>The place where you lose yourself
>The place where you find yourself
>All in the same instant
>That's the music
>That's where i'll be
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This Friday is the 5th installment of floorplan.

This may be the last one so lets all rush the door riot style and show some 
love.

Floorplan 05
Friday March 24th, 2000
Cincinnati, Ohio
Subsonik Productions
10pm - 6am+
An all night electronic dance music event.
Bangin' sound by C & D (we mean crisp, clear, bass heavy the way it should 
be) and minimal & intelligent lighting in an underground environment. We 
have a large space with plenty of room to dance and friendly security.
Admission is only $10 before midnight, $15 after.
Thanks to all who support the true underground.

with performances by:

_Kikoman_
Deep Fried, Power Music, Missile. Grand Rapids, Michigan.
The underground techno mafia is representing once again. We are excited and 
honored to have this powerful DJ and sought after producer to pound the 
floor with the master plan.

_Robert Curcio_
Dirty Loop, 3 to 5, Soiree, NightLife Collective, Mush, New York City. A 
world traveled DJ and producer. A Thousand Words magazine in Chicago listed 
Robert and his label Dirty Loop in the "Ten things to be really exited 
about" house music column. This man has played out at Cream in England and 
at events and clubs as far away as Japan, Germany, and France. Now you know 
why we bring him out so much!

_Derek Plaslaiko_
Detroit Bachelor Deejay's. Derek has been requested by many to be at one of 
our events.  He has been a regular on the Detroit and Midwest circuit, 
holding a residency at motor and playing out at countless events and clubs. 
Come witness this talented DJ from the motor city.

_Perry 'Paris' Ellis_
Dirty Loop, 3 to 5, Soiree, Skydata (Germany), Subsonik. Cincinnati.  Perry 
is an already established producer and DJ on the North American circuit.  
His releases on numerous labels have been selling out worldwide.  With more 
upcoming release scheduled on 3 to 5, Dirty Loop, Skydata, and High Octane 
Records (Chicago), the future is looking very bright for this veteran of the 
sound.

_Matt Bandy_
Alien Squad, Subterror. Lexington. A Midwest favorite and one of ours too. A 
floor moving blend of house and techno that will make you smile to the end 
and beg for more.

_Adam Jensen_
Subsonik. Cincinnati/Chicago. Everyone is catching on and it's about time. 
Adam has an undeniable ability to move the floor with only the finest techno 
available. His sets are infiltrated with minimal funk and elaborate grooves 
that will make you sweat.

_React_
Subsonik. Cincinnati. The main figure behind Subsonik productions and a 
devoted advocate of the techno sound. His sets are hard, deep, meaningful 
and a direct reaction to the crowd. This is the floorplan.

_Headstrong_
Ruffdrapht, Subsonik. Cincinnati. Dark neuro-funk drum & bass straight from 
the UK and out of the bag.  Steve is in heavy demand as he is a talented DJ 
and prime selekta.  Check out his mix tape "the program" available at select 
shops and from Subsonik direct.

For directions to the event and more information, please call 513.682.3282 
or visit us online at:  http://subsonik.linenoiz.com.

Support info-lines:  513.956.9600 -  614.470.2752

And Saturday July 29th in Cincinnati… FUTURE TEKNOLGY 2.
An all headliner, 2 room event featuring talent from Europe and North 
America.
More info to T.B.A. soon!

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I'm an old lady.

And no one bought me Britney Spears.

*sniffle*

But wait!  Days of Our Lives is on right now!  waaaaaahoooo!!!

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subsonik_pro@hotmail.com writes:

<< don't speak too soon.:D
 



 anyway, i went to positive even though the techno mafia wasn't down with it. 

and who are the techno mafia?????


 I said, "no man, jason's cool. he asked me to play... whatever." So I went. 
 We got there early (cause he put me on early when in fact, I should played 
 prime time in place of the dj that was train wrecking) but that's okay. I'm 
 not sweating it.
 
 
HAHAHAHAAH WHO was that wrecker of trains.. i heard it a few times?


As for the space. I don't have a problem with the Dayton gym club but a lot 
 of people seem to. Spaces are hard to find. The gym club is fine in my book. 
 The sound was good. I was expecting Turbo Sound but it turned out to be 
 Cerwin Vega. Cerwin Vega makes good speakers but they just don't make the 
 cut when you compare them to EV, EAW, Turbosound, JBL, etc. as far as 
 concert sound is concerned. The lighting was good... Technobeams, plus there 
 were screens both upstairs and downstairs.
 
yeah that space is very nice when set up well. ballistic wasnt set up well at 
all but this party was i loved the screens announcing who was playing up and 
down stairs. 


The music... hmm. Merlin was really good.      no lie  breaks 4ever!!!! 

Nauti Groove tore shit up but played a little too long. He gave a nice speech 
before his set.
jason always spins good its a given,, yeah he shoudlnt of took the time slot 
and he played way to long
 

Anyway, Dr. Trance is a buster. Sorry

yeah but he spun madonna so hes totally cool now. but yeah io was tranced OUT

I was not feeling his set at all and 
 the crowd seemed to be all tranced out. Anyone ever heard of techno? I 
 didn't stay for Matt Bandy but we all know he rocks. Mistic Bill was sloppy. 
 He played some good cuts though. Sonic threw down a really tight 
 techno/house/acid house p.a. He played early too.
 Go figure. He finished it with some nice drum-n-bass... two thumbs up. TEK 
 United (three members from Twilight Sleep) have mad gear and they're very 
 good. Nice D & B. (promoters-check these guys out)
 
i didnt catch much of the downstairs preformers... mystic bill was nice good 
stompy house. havnt seen him since after jam masta jay at sensual in 98 

and you are???????????

 I rocked. Spahn rocked. We rock. React techno devestation. Spahn is the drum 
 & bass destroyer. Subsonik represent. Spahn played some sick new stuff. Dark 
 UK flavor... the crowd was into his selction.
 The new Matrix album is sick. If any promoters want a tape - email.
 I played a very deverse mix of surgeon/marco carola/g-man/basic 
 channel/mills/hawtin/subjective/beyer/ben simms/joel mull/gaetano/wouldn't 
 you like to be a techno pimp too. those guys rule.
 
 
 Overall the party was good. It was ran well. The vibe was real tight and the 
 shade was minimal. Kids need to wise the fuck up. There were too many people 
 wacked out.
 
 the door price was all wrong but oh well. still a good party.
ok heres my story i walked rite in this party i asked if there was a presale 
line and they let me and all my friends rite in. didnt search us or even take 
our tickets we didnt even go up the stairs walked rite in the party.. it was 
cool causei had presale tik #22 and it was my friends 22nd bday so i gave it 
to him 
 
 
 so there you have it. my two cents.
 
 peace. >>


theres my nickel bag o funk
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march 25th in chicago
we invite you to the window in the sky
due to the amount of response we're getting from this event,
we've moved the location of the event to a chicago area venue
that holds 2000 more people than our original wisconsin venue.
and as always with future forces the venue will run all night
and no one will be turned away due to capacity levels. no presales are 
available for this event, all tickets will be bought at the door to save you
some time from driving around picking up presale tickets. if you want to 
save a few bucks, our will doors open at 8pm with discounted admission 
before 10pm. we'll also have our speedy ticket line in effect, our goal as 
always is to have everyone inside the buliding by midnight for
our headlining acts. speaking of, our lineup includes
dj rob swift of the executioners showing his dmc champion skills
the atomic babies live from new york
brooklyn hardcore king lenny dee playing a special hard techno set
trevor lamont a teamster original from louisville
dj 3d with a ruffneck drum and bass set
from chicago, mark almaria, kevin cunningham, slugo
acidman, glyde
and from north of the border, jerry sanchez, abstrakt, victor orozco, blake b
and crazy d 
also just added, flux capacitor from cedar rapids iowa, chyna q.o.t.j. and 
loki from chicago with a live pc wav file assault!
3 sound systems, with lights lasers and visuals running all night in a 
chicago area 
location. 
if you need a ride please call one of the following transportation services
jammin transport 847791supr
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if you wanna learn a little more about our acts, you can find links to them 
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> Krust is at the forefront of jungle?
sometimes, alot of shit he comes up with other people
bite (and most of the time make sound a little more interesting)

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With all due respect...being the trance advocate that
I am even *I* will tell you that Dr. Trance is no
good. As a matter fact he doesn't *mix* records at
all. He is the epitome of a shitty trance dj - decent
records, but very short and uncreative mixes and
absolutely no attempt to program a set somewhat
intelligently. Now, I understand that he has a certain
weight and reputation - after all, he started the
trance scene in Toronto and has a very very popular
radio show. But let's not be morons...booking a dj
just because he was a "pioneer" of some sort is silly.

Whoever thinks that Dr. Trance should be booked again
in this area needs to think again. Especially
Tiffanie...after making statements such as "oakenfold
sucks ass", you would support a dj who is the Canadian
version of Oakenfold? I don't get it...
When will people learn that just playing well known
and crowd pleasing tracks or just good tracks in
general is only PART of being a dj. Being able to do
something creative with them is another  very
important part that a lot of people seem to forget
about.

My 0.02.
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Subject: [junglist] light bulb

how many junglist's does it take to screw in a lightbulb: 
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four to get the old light bulb as soon as it comes out, and one to flash a 
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Yea, but Coded Language blows ass.

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<<<< on 3/22/00 1:42 PM, Mikhail Khaimov at dj_tsar@yahoo.com emitted: >>>>

> With all due respect...being the trance advocate that
> I am even *I* will tell you that Dr. Trance is no
> good. As a matter fact he doesn't *mix* records at
> all. He is the epitome of a shitty trance dj - decent
> records, but very short and uncreative mixes and
> absolutely no attempt to program a set somewhat
> intelligently. Now, I understand that he has a certain
> weight and reputation - after all, he started the
> trance scene in Toronto and has a very very popular
> radio show. But let's not be morons...booking a dj
> just because he was a "pioneer" of some sort is silly.

and let me add to this man's poor rep. at WEMF 98' on the island in the
georgian bay, this man preceded to get on the mike and say the following
quote with ALL seriousness...

"have you ever heard of club med? well, welcome to club RAVE!!!"

moving to the bahamas and starting "club rave",
--varsha

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yeah but he did spin madonna's dear jessie. so hes kinda cool





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REWIND SELEKTA!!!!!!

FUCKERS.

GRANT IS THE SELEKTA OF CRAPOLA.



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yeah well all your parties suck!

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>
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>
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 19:11:05 2000
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> Yea, but Coded Language blows ass.

please dont make us school you on Krust... Coded Lanuage may not be your
thing, but it certainly doesn't blow ass. I'm not particularly found of the
album myself, but a quick trip to www.neurofunk.com in the dubplate section,
and youll see that Krust is doing some wicked things (he's part of Kamanchi
too)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 19:13:37 2000
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listen buddy, i'll make you play first everytime I book you, then i'll make 
you scoop up piss soaked toilet paper off the bathroom floor and clean all 
you records with it.

then, i'll replace all your cuts with joker and urban takeover releases 10 
minutes before the most important gig of your life.

listen to the rhythm flow.

jerky ass punta.


oh yeah, what up with that djm 600 boyee!

i'm going over to your crib in a minute.

>From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
>To: subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:10:34 -0500
>
>yeah well all your parties suck!
>
>subsonik productions wrote:
>
> > REWIND SELEKTA!!!!!!
> >
> > FUCKERS.
> >
> > GRANT IS THE SELEKTA OF CRAPOLA.
> >
> > >From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> > >Reply-To: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> > >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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listen buddy, i'll make you play first everytime I book you, then i'll make 
you scoop up piss soaked toilet paper off the bathroom floor and clean all 
you records with it.

then, i'll replace all your cuts with joker and urban takeover releases 10 
minutes before the most important gig of your life.

listen to the rhythm flow.

jerky ass punta.


oh yeah, what up with that djm 600 boyee!

i'm going over to your crib in a minute.

>From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
>To: subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:10:34 -0500
>
>yeah well all your parties suck!
>
>subsonik productions wrote:
>
> > REWIND SELEKTA!!!!!!
> >
> > FUCKERS.
> >
> > GRANT IS THE SELEKTA OF CRAPOLA.
> >
> > >From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> > >Reply-To: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> > >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 19:15:11 2000
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>As for the space. I don't have a problem with the Dayton gym club but a lot 


I havent been to a party in my hometown in several years... is this the
"Boy's and Girl's Club"  near Wayne avenue and 35???  or is this some 'new'
space thats been regularly used only in the past 2 years?  (is this the
same place where:  Vger and Contact were thrown??? I know Justus used it
once too but I cant recall the name of that party).



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On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Brandon Ivers wrote:
> please dont make us school you on Krust... Coded Lanuage may not be your
> thing, but it certainly doesn't blow ass. I'm not particularly found of the
> album myself, but a quick trip to www.neurofunk.com in the dubplate section,
> and youll see that Krust is doing some wicked things (he's part of Kamanchi
> too)

I dunno...  I haven't seen much wicked out of jungle in quite some
time...  I'll go check out the aforementioned website but until then, I'm
sticking with Krust blows ass like Olestra.  :)





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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 19:22:05 2000
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I've never heard him... I'd probably go to a party hear him (not pay more
than 10 dollars just to hear him, but if there were others worthwhile...)

I heard him described as...... funny trance.. like he did humorous shit...
*shrug*  I dunno.

But after hearing posts on here, maybe now I wouldnt bother.. I dunno.


tad

At 01:58 PM 3/22/00 EST, Trancedanz@aol.com wrote:
>yeah but he did spin madonna's dear jessie. so hes kinda cool
>
>
>
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>
>I'll see you all there.
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>The place where you find yourself 
>All in the same instant
>That's the music
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and what makes your punta ass that couldnt get a fuqing plur monkey from
ur-anus at one of your parties to see you play the music sounds better with you

for 4 hours on end think u can come to my crib to use my djm-600???

:)

subsonik productions wrote:.

> oh yeah, what up with that djm 600 boyee!
>
> i'm going over to your crib in a minute.
>
> >From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> >To: subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
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> >
> >yeah well all your parties suck!
> >
> >subsonik productions wrote:
> >
> > > REWIND SELEKTA!!!!!!
> > >
> > > FUCKERS.
> > >
> > > GRANT IS THE SELEKTA OF CRAPOLA.
> > >
> > > >From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> > > >Reply-To: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> > > >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
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Hey......if you guys need lessons on the djm600 give Matt Bandy or I a call 
we are conducting classes every third Wednesday of the month.  Taking apps 
as we speak :)  Aliensquad in the motha fuckin' hizzous :)

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listen buddy, i'll make you play first everytime I book you, then i'll make
you scoop up piss soaked toilet paper off the bathroom floor and clean all
you records with it.

then, i'll replace all your cuts with joker and urban takeover releases 10
minutes before the most important gig of your life.

listen to the rhythm flow.

jerky ass punta.


oh yeah, what up with that djm 600 boyee!

i'm going over to your crib in a minute.

>From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
>To: subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:10:34 -0500
>
>yeah well all your parties suck!
>
>subsonik productions wrote:
>
> > REWIND SELEKTA!!!!!!
> >
> > FUCKERS.
> >
> > GRANT IS THE SELEKTA OF CRAPOLA.
> >
> > >From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> > >Reply-To: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> > >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> > >Subject: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
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i am quite skilled in the way of the pioneer mixer.

but thanks anyway.

alien squad stickers are popping up at my home from some unknown source.

don't make me call big brother.

-react

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>To: subsonik_pro@hotmail.com, grant@techgallery.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:35:30 EST
>
>Hey......if you guys need lessons on the djm600 give Matt Bandy or I a call 
>we are conducting classes every third Wednesday of the month.  Taking apps 
>as we speak :)  Aliensquad in the motha fuckin' hizzous :)
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "subsonik productions" <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "subsonik productions" <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>To: grant@techgallery.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:13:03 GMT
>
>listen buddy, i'll make you play first everytime I book you, then i'll make
>you scoop up piss soaked toilet paper off the bathroom floor and clean all
>you records with it.
>
>then, i'll replace all your cuts with joker and urban takeover releases 10
>minutes before the most important gig of your life.
>
>listen to the rhythm flow.
>
>jerky ass punta.
>
>
>oh yeah, what up with that djm 600 boyee!
>
>i'm going over to your crib in a minute.
>
>>From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
>>To: subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
>>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:10:34 -0500
>>
>>yeah well all your parties suck!
>>
>>subsonik productions wrote:
>>
>> > REWIND SELEKTA!!!!!!
>> >
>> > FUCKERS.
>> >
>> > GRANT IS THE SELEKTA OF CRAPOLA.
>> >
>> > >From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
>> > >Reply-To: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
>> > >To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>> > >Subject: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
>> > >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:54:23 -0500
>> > >
>> > >
>> > ><< message3.txt >>
>> >
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: then, i'll replace all your cuts with joker and urban takeover releases 10
: minutes before the most important gig of your life.

them are some fightin' words, y0! i got yer back grant!!!

pussy ass jump up sucks
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In a message dated 3/22/0 5:33:04 AM, rubybuby wrote:

<<vomiting and puking profusely when all of a sudden the
cop cummed (came), and i washed it all down with his
creamy semen.  I knew at that moment that i was at an
all time high and no drug in the world can even come
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When I used to party a lot in Toronto a few years ago he was always booked
for parties.  About 6a.m. he'd come on and start playing the most pussy
ass shit I've ever heard.  I remember at one room parties that he would
basically ruin the rest of the night because you couldn't dance to that
shit.  I guess times like that are what formed my hatred for trance, or at
least that type of it.  I was suprised to see him here in Detroit a few
weeks ago cuz I thought he was just big in Toronto, but I guess I'm wrong.


On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> With all due respect...being the trance advocate that
> I am even *I* will tell you that Dr. Trance is no
> good. As a matter fact he doesn't *mix* records at
> all. He is the epitome of a shitty trance dj - decent
> records, but very short and uncreative mixes and
> absolutely no attempt to program a set somewhat
> intelligently. Now, I understand that he has a certain
> weight and reputation - after all, he started the
> trance scene in Toronto and has a very very popular
> radio show. But let's not be morons...booking a dj
> just because he was a "pioneer" of some sort is silly.
> 
> Whoever thinks that Dr. Trance should be booked again
> in this area needs to think again. Especially
> Tiffanie...after making statements such as "oakenfold
> sucks ass", you would support a dj who is the Canadian
> version of Oakenfold? I don't get it...
> When will people learn that just playing well known
> and crowd pleasing tracks or just good tracks in
> general is only PART of being a dj. Being able to do
> something creative with them is another  very
> important part that a lot of people seem to forget
> about.
> 
> My 0.02.
> Misha 
> 
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Peace.  I am going.  C whoever there.  I will be the black guy with
"dread"locks.  I am sure there wont be alot.  Peace.


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On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Jayson Ficili wrote:

> > Hey all,
> >    Lil' Diva productions is back w/ its next event:
> >                 JUNGLE WARFARE!!
> > Come see some of the best regional junglists teach you
> > a little JUNGLE WARFARE!
> > March 31st, 2000 @ The Electric Groove Box in Nashville, TN!
> > Doors open at 10pm! ID required! $TBA Info lines:(615)201-2423 &
> > (615)400-3815!
> >         Room 1                                      Room 2
> > 10pm-12am     HAVOK             10PM-12:30AM     B-PLUS & MENACE
> >              Nashville                            High Society
> > 12am-1:30am   BLONDIE           12:30AM-2AM      LARY BREAKS
> >              King Funk                            Assembly Required
> >              THE 20 HrTz CARTEL                  WORLD CONSPIRACY
> > 1:30AM-3AM       BOBBLE         2AM-3AM               MISS K
> > 3AM-4:30AM       GRAHAM         3AM-4:30AM            FLIP C
> > 4:30AM-6AM    DORIAN            4:30AM-6AM       MK2
> >             Goodfellaz                           Nashville
> > Directions from I-24, I-40, & I65N: Take I-65 South to Wedgewood Exit!
> > turn right! Turn left at first trafic light! The Electric Groove Box is
> > on the right, next to the Captian D's Seafood!
> > Directions from I-65S: Take I-65 North to Wedgewood Exit! Turn left!
> > Turn left at first traffic light! The Electric Groove Box is on the
> > right, next to Captain D's!
> > Also watch for DIVAS OF THE DANCEFLOOR 2(april 28th), SUPAFLY 2(May,
> > 11th)
> > Thanx,
> > Jayson
> > Lil' Diva Productions
> 
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umm misha...

that list i rattled off was a list of trance names offa the top of my
head...to go along with chris ez sarcasm

some of that list is good and some is not so good...

didn't get the joke huh?

peace n love
hecate

dont hate me b/c imma techno fiend...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mikhail Khaimov" <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
To: <mw-raves@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 12:42 PM
Subject: [mw] dr. trance


> With all due respect...being the trance advocate that
> I am even *I* will tell you that Dr. Trance is no
> good. As a matter fact he doesn't *mix* records at
> all. He is the epitome of a shitty trance dj - decent
> records, but very short and uncreative mixes and
> absolutely no attempt to program a set somewhat
> intelligently. Now, I understand that he has a certain
> weight and reputation - after all, he started the
> trance scene in Toronto and has a very very popular
> radio show. But let's not be morons...booking a dj
> just because he was a "pioneer" of some sort is silly.
>
> Whoever thinks that Dr. Trance should be booked again
> in this area needs to think again. Especially
> Tiffanie...after making statements such as "oakenfold
> sucks ass", you would support a dj who is the Canadian
> version of Oakenfold? I don't get it...
> When will people learn that just playing well known
> and crowd pleasing tracks or just good tracks in
> general is only PART of being a dj. Being able to do
> something creative with them is another  very
> important part that a lot of people seem to forget
> about.
>
> My 0.02.
> Misha
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 21:32:58 2000
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Actually your e-mail was nothing but a list of dj
names. I don't see what was so "sarcastic" about a
list of dj's. I guess I am very slow and didn't get
the "joke". I hope others did; I'd hate for a good
"joke" to go bad. 
I'll try not to hate you even though you are a "techno
fiend"; however I think it will be very hard seeing as
how I am so hateful and all. Especially toward people
who are "techno fiends". BTW what does techno have to
do with anything?
And oh...one other thing for you and everybody else.
People, there's a thing called private reply and
public reply. When you hit that reply button, make
sure you only have ONE address listed in the "TO:"
field. It's quite annoying to receive more than one
copy of the same e-mail from somebody. I am sure you
guys will agree. That would take care of much
unnecessary e-mail in our inboxes.

Thanks
Misha

--- Hecate <dj-hecate@home.com> wrote:
> umm misha...
> 
> that list i rattled off was a list of trance names
> offa the top of my
> head...to go along with chris ez sarcasm
> 
> some of that list is good and some is not so good...
> 
> didn't get the joke huh?
> 
> peace n love
> hecate
> 
> dont hate me b/c imma techno fiend...
> 

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today boys and girls we are going to learn what a
delay is.........
-matt and trevors school of djm 600
-you to can play like them...

--- Trevor Lamont <houseman606@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hey......if you guys need lessons on the djm600 give
> Matt Bandy or I a call 
> we are conducting classes every third Wednesday of
> the month.  Taking apps 
> as we speak :)  Aliensquad in the motha fuckin'
> hizzous :)
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "subsonik productions"
> <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: "subsonik productions"
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> To: grant@techgallery.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:13:03 GMT
> 
> listen buddy, i'll make you play first everytime I
> book you, then i'll make
> you scoop up piss soaked toilet paper off the
> bathroom floor and clean all
> you records with it.
> 
> then, i'll replace all your cuts with joker and
> urban takeover releases 10
> minutes before the most important gig of your life.
> 
> listen to the rhythm flow.
> 
> jerky ass punta.
> 
> 
> oh yeah, what up with that djm 600 boyee!
> 
> i'm going over to your crib in a minute.
> 
> >From: Grant <grant@techgallery.com>
> >To: subsonik productions <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [mw] [Fwd: [junglist] light bulb]
> >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:10:34 -0500
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> >yeah well all your parties suck!
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> > >
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 21:49:43 2000
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Comeing Together has been moved to May 5th 2000
KC MO
Bigger Lineup
Better Venue
Better Sound and Lights

This is a 100% Not for Profit Party.. All money will
go to a charity.

More to come soon.....
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 21:50:57 2000
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Misha is just a trance spinny pussy bombaclot,
and whats worse is that he's a comunist.

People don't fall into the comunist trance plot to
take over the rave scene.
Just say no to trance.







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I really think some of you peeps need to temper your enthusiasm with a dose of humility.

I'm not saying you don't have DJ skills or MC skills or whatever.. But damn, what does that get
you, *really*?  

If you're that satisfied with yourself maybe you aren't risking enough. I'm paraphrasing Martha
Graham here, I'll post the quote when I get home.

Sorry if that's a bitter pill to swallow.

-ted

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I'm pretty sure there is a party in KC on May 6th. 
They've been planning and promoting for a while now. 
You should think about working together with your
fellow promoters to help build the scene together, as
a scene, and not as individual promoters.  I think you
should reconsider moving your date.

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>"Boy's and Girl's Club"  near Wayne avenue and 35???  or is this some
'new'
the boys and girls club has a swimming pool and is off of keowee, very near
35 and wayne.
the dayton gym club has a cheesy green sign and is on wayne, close to 35.
i've lived very near to it my whole life and id never really noticed it
until i went to a party there.

so, to answer your question: yes. and no.

karolyn
take this cup away from me.. cause i dont want to taste its poison... woop,
jesus christ superstar rocks..
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Ruby Bagonia <rubybuby@yahoo.com> wrote:

>- --- otis watkins <drdoit2ya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> talk to me lover cum on tell me what you taste
>> didnt yo momma tell ya life is too good to waste
>> did she tell ya lovesexy was the glam of them all
>> you can hang you could trip on it you surely wont
>> fall
>> no side effects the feelin lasts forever
>> straight up it tastes good it makes you feel clever
>> you kiss your enemies like you know you should
>> and then you jerk yo body like a horny pony would

U jerk your body like a horny pony would 
Now run and tell your mama about that!

And while U're at it, tell your pop about this!

(http://www.dttlyrics.com/albums/lovesexy.html)

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> I'm not saying you don't have DJ skills or MC skills or whatever.. But
damn, what does that get
> you, *really*?

it gets me bitchez

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 22 22:38:07 2000
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so i guess what this really comes down to is this: if you don't mind that someone has no soul, good for you.  eat your pills and swing your glowsticks to your heart's content.

if you do care, don't support the assholes.  i got MAJOR attitude from a DJ/producer that i very much respected once.  i haven't bought a fuckin record with his name on it ever again.  i don't support dickheads.  period.

have a nice day...

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Stan Doublin wrote:
> I'm pretty sure there is a party in KC on May 6th.  They've been
> planning and promoting for a while now.  You should think about
> working together with your fellow promoters to help build the scene
> together, as a scene, and not as individual promoters.  I think you
> should reconsider moving your date.

Yea, but Sunhine Ministry is throwing Destruction 3 on May 6th, and we all
know what they do to competing promoters.

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hey butthead e-mail me back =)


thanks
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that quote:

 "No artist is pleased. There is no satisfaction whatever at any time. There is only a queer,
divine dissatisfaction, a blessed unrest that keeps us marching and makes us more alive than the
others."

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hahaha. i tell u one think raver buses suck. i took it last year to whistle 2 
cuz ur in a bus with ravers for 10 hrs.  haha the only good think is i drank 
on the bus.

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I thought a lot of peeps out there would like this info.  :)

Laterz,

jim

----Original Message Follows----
From: Troy Sheets <tsheets@saturn5.com>
To: sfbay604@lists.cybernothing.org, 604@party.net
Subject: [604] tonight on 90210!
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:04:10 -0800

One of the characters (forgot his name.. the lawer...) goes to a beach
party and drops acid.

Should be a hoot and a holler in classic 90210 style.

We are not sure if he needs an egg to find the beach party or not...

8pm on where else?  FOX!

-troy

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ALL NIGHT

In the spring of 1994, they took away our right to dance.  To-night we turn 
the tables.  To-night will be a rebirth for the once strong des moines rave 
scene.  To-night we go ALL NIGHT.

invasion party series 01...
featuring the dj talents of:

BARBARELLA - Boulder CO - trance
DOUBLE X - St Louis MO - techno
JON GOTTI - St Louis MO - drum n bass
STORM - Milwaukee WI - goa
.COM - Omaha NE - booty house
NNOTHING - Iowa City/St. Louis - techno
JETHRO - Iowa City - house
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$9 or $7 with canned food donation to benefit the food bank of iowa
9pm-7am in a secured non-smoking venue (there will be an out-door smoking 
space)


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http://www.futureconsortium.com/clients/infinite/chaos


sorry about the other blank post!

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If you end up watching it, tell us how it goes. Sounds interesting. :)

At 8:45 PM -0500 22/3/00, Boppity wrote:
>I thought a lot of peeps out there would like this info.  :)
>
>Laterz,
>
>jim
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: Troy Sheets <tsheets@saturn5.com>
>To: sfbay604@lists.cybernothing.org, 604@party.net
>Subject: [604] tonight on 90210!
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:04:10 -0800
>
>One of the characters (forgot his name.. the lawer...) goes to a beach
>party and drops acid.
>
>Should be a hoot and a holler in classic 90210 style.
>
>We are not sure if he needs an egg to find the beach party or not...
>
>8pm on where else?  FOX!
>
>-troy
>
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:22:07 -0500 William MacKay
<foobaz@digithought.net> writes:
> If you end up watching it, tell us how it goes. Sounds interesting. 
> :)

It was actually a pretty accurate depiction.  Matt drank some
"electric" Kool-Aid that according to the owner was "the best
acid in town" (LA).  Turns out he was at a desert rave (smaller
than the Moontribe events though) and was having a blast and
trippin out on all the colors and the people that had painted
themselves.  One scene fades in and I nearly fell out of my chair
(because he didn't have his shirt on) until the camera panned down
and showed his shirt around his waist.
A girl asks him how he is enjoying the acid and he says:
"You mean the DRUG acid?  I don't do drugs."
A classic quote that will live on in infamy.

Peace and love,

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Subject: [mw] Re: [kc] Re: CAN'T WAIT TILL WHISTLE 3 MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Iam sorry but why would you even consider going to
whistle 3, FURTHUR is that weekend. 

peace,
Offtrack


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> > ANY ONE DOING A BUS TRIP
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> Huh...questions first:
> 
> 1) Could I smoke 
> 2) Can I drink
> 
> while in transit.
> 
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3. Adam Beyer "Lost and Found" [conform] <--Best in awhile
4. Soul Watcher "Battery ep" [primevil] 
5. Destination "Definition of Love" [intec] <GFlame remix yo>
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shannon the email you sent was at 11pm. i got it at 1am. 
2 hour time gap.  crazy, thats why we didnt see them

-mike

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so, i am about to uns*bscribe us all from mw-raves until monday.  the
things i personally need to take care of don't exactly warrant the list
being down for that long.

but i feel (and i know many others do as well) that we could all use this
weekend as a much-needed break.

mw-raves seems to have grown very tired and, like many other organisms,
i think it just needs to sleep for awhile.

on 12am monday (that's sunday night for people who can't tell time :P)
i'll open the list back up to allow you all to resub yourselves.  YOU WILL
NEED TO RESUB YOURSELF!!  all the information you need in order to do this
is at http://mw-raves.org

i've changed the webpage somewhat to reflect what's going on :P
please do check it out, and on monday i hope to see some messages about
how your weekend went.

i apologize if this is an inconvenience, and if there's some urgent info
you'd need from mw-raves, please mail me at chad@hyperreal.org, and i will
try to help you out in any way i can.  if i can't help you out myself,
i'll try to put you in touch with someone who can.

one suggestion before we go to bed here... take this time off to clean out
your mailboxes.   just let the negative threads drop, go out, have some
fun, and we'll take it from there.

this is an exciting time to be in the midwest.  with a line like that, you
could probably do anything :P... but inside, i'm dead serious.
for those about to rock...

i'll see you around :)

love,
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 23 09:02:24 2000
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test


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 23 09:07:07 2000
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we'll try this again... 


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sorry for the sudden barrage of digests... actually, i'll repost my final
post again for you to make sure you see it.

see you all monday, and thanks for bearing with some of the retardness
that goes on :)

digest subscribers rock.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 23 09:11:59 2000
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so, i am about to uns*bscribe us all from mw-raves until monday.  the
things i personally need to take care of don't exactly warrant the list
being down for that long.

but i feel (and i know many others do as well) that we could all use this
weekend as a much-needed break.

mw-raves seems to have grown very tired and, like many other organisms,
i think it just needs to sleep for awhile.

on 12am monday (that's sunday night for people who can't tell time :P)
i'll open the list back up to allow you all to resub yourselves.  YOU WILL
NEED TO RESUB YOURSELF!!  all the information you need in order to do this
is at http://mw-raves.org

i've changed the webpage somewhat to reflect what's going on :P
please do check it out, and on monday i hope to see some messages about
how your weekend went.

i apologize if this is an inconvenience, and if there's some urgent info
you'd need from mw-raves, please mail me at chad@hyperreal.org, and i will
try to help you out in any way i can.  if i can't help you out myself,
i'll try to put you in touch with someone who can.

one suggestion before we go to bed here... take this time off to clean out
your mailboxes.   just let the negative threads drop, go out, have some
fun, and we'll take it from there.

this is an exciting time to be in the midwest.  with a line like that, you
could probably do anything :P... but inside, i'm dead serious.
for those about to rock...

i'll see you around :)

love,
chad

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i got the first post.

so there.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 07:50:01 2000
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mw-raves is back up... 21 subskribers.

that's just kind of funny :)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 07:52:49 2000
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i forgot to say welcome back.

love,
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:35:06 -0600

>
>i got the first post.
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>so does that make you the NEW IMPROVED version of Steviet?? The first on the new generation of mw-raves....

peace Chris Ege peace
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Nope- I'm the creator.  Duh.  Peace.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 09:21:50 2000
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OH?? Look who brought you up from the ashes...

ooh, i don't like playing that way :P

love,
chad 

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 11:53:10 2000
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i just saw a "news" article on the tv.
apparently, japenese people only take half their earned vacation time each
year.

what i'm wondering... is why on earth would i want to know that?  i'm the
average joe here... why did that peice of information hit my eyes?

do i want to know?

how hard are they trying to get to us through the news?

you know... the voices in my head :P

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 15:14:03 2000
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Im just curious to know who is on here already (Grin).  I wanna know how many 
of you had mw-raves withdrawal...


Yeah... so.. all of you over zealous ravers..tell me about the weekend's 
festivities..

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> Im just curious to know who is on here already (Grin).  I wanna know how
many
> of you had mw-raves withdrawal...
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> Yeah... so.. all of you over zealous ravers..tell me about the weekend's
> festivities..

    Hehe, naturally, I am already back on.... =] What else would I have to
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 15:27:46 2000
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I wanna dance.  no wait..i don't..not really...not this morning...

in reality..i just wanna curl up under my electric blankie..and... read.

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I'm barely awake, and very shocked that I subscribed correctly.  I'm off to
celebrate with coffee.

cheers mwrvz!!!

peace...gregori
 

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> I wanna dance.  no wait..i don't..not really...not this morning...
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In a message dated 00-03-27 10:34:34 EST, gsparker@parkerresearch.com writes:

<< 
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 cheers mwrvz!!!
 
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so lesse..(counts on fingers).. i see that makes at least 5 of us now.

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Six, even!

--- Lincoln001@aol.com wrote:
> so lesse..(counts on fingers).. i see that makes at
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 16:21:30 2000
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Well, actually, I subbed at about 7:14 this morning...  I was just in NO
mood to be sending out email at that point, though.

I checked.  I had been unsubbed for exactly 19 days.  Even though I never
post on here, I just couldn't stay away.
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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 Lincoln001@aol.com wrote:

> 
> Im just curious to know who is on here already (Grin).  I wanna know how many 
> of you had mw-raves withdrawal...
> 
> 
> Yeah... so.. all of you over zealous ravers..tell me about the weekend's 
> festivities..
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well godamn..we're in business boys and girls..

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 16:25:27 2000
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In a message dated 00-03-27 11:21:42 EST, zaphod@spacestar.net writes:

<< I checked.  I had been unsubbed for exactly 19 days.  Even though I never
 post on here, I just couldn't stay away. >>

you just can't stay away...

let's just hope that this affliction only takes effect on the nice people 
(Grin)


(sigh)... let's run around in a circle and all fall down.
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or quiet and distorted?

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 16:43:16 2000
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Should we really be starting this new and improved (hopefully, im praying) 
out with one liners?


I need to know if there is any info on carl craig's festivities on memorial 
day weekend...
I heard Mills is gonna be there, but that is one person who I am gonna have 
to ask personally to believe.
I think bekka.. or someone may have posted it at one time.. but if there is a 
site.. or you personally know any info, please lemme know.

thanks in advance 
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_____________________

Man found dead at rave party
Robert Moorer was shot in head. Body discovered after partygoers left

By George Hunter / The Detroit News

    DETROIT -- A 20-year-old Taylor man was killed early Saturday morning at an
illegal rave party on Detroit's west side.
   Robert Moorer was shot in the head sometime between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m., at a
party held at a warehouse in the 2100 block of Bagley.
   One of the partygoers called police when he discovered Moorer's body on the
second floor of the warehouse after the party was over, investigators said.
   On Sunday morning, police raided another illegal rave party, at Timbo's
Lounge, a cabaret hall on Gratiot near Sterritt on the city's east side, where
they rounded up witnesses to the shooting at the Bagley party.
   "We spoke with people at Timbo's who were at the other party, on Bagley,"
said homicide Lt. John Morell. In addition to questioning the witnesses, police
issued a number of loitering tickets at the Timbo's party, which was attended by
more than 1,000 people.
   Most of the partygoers were from the suburbs, Morell said.
   "Most of these parties are full of suburban kids," Morell said. "The
witnesses we spoke with were all from the western Wayne area."
   Illegal rave parties in Detroit continue to be a problem for police.
   "They have these parties all the time, but they move them from place to
place," said Morell. "There's always alcohol at these parties -- and any time
you mix alcohol and guns, you're asking for trouble."
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 16:45:17 2000
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From: TekkgirIie@aol.com [mailto:TekkgirIie@aol.com]

Should we really be starting this new and improved (hopefully, im praying) 
out with one liners?

yes :)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 16:46:34 2000
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UMEK was amazing. WOW..   If you have ever seen Ben Long ... their mixing 
skills are similar.
He needed another deck though, seemed quite jaded on 2.
Billy Nasty slammed hard...  the last time I saw him.. he wasnt that good, he 
was a lot better this time. Played really ardent tracks.
They both only played for 1 hr.. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr  
 :*(
I dont know about you people, but If I am paying a dj more then 700$... they 
are going to be playing more then 1 hr..  they are just getting warmed up in 
that hour... even if they are less then 700$..if they are good.. they should 
play at least 2 hrs..  IMHO ! Money isnt the #1 issue.. its the skills..   

The venue was aight.. Lava Lounge..  seems like all of detroit is ghetto..  
so where it was didnt matter. 
The crowd was lame.
Very lame.
They sold n0z where they sold water. 85% of everyone in there had 1-5 
balloons in their hands.
HIPPEEEEEEEE CRACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKHEADS!
I think I yelled at about 15 people to get away from the dj with that shit. 
(as if that did any good er something :P )
I was on 0 sleep, but glad I finally saw UMEK and met some really cool people 
from Toronto that came down.
If any of you ever get the chance to see him, please do...  well worth it.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 16:52:55 2000
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Has anyone heard his tape called "Frequent Flyer"?

I would like to know how old it is.

thanks in advance

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 16:53:20 2000
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You know, I was wondering if any of you who have been
to Cinci parties would want to express your opinions
on the scene there. I attended one of the Floorplan
parties this past Friday night and to be honest, I was
very disappointed. I don't think that has much to do
with the production of the event itself as much as
with the crowd itself and its response to the dj's.
Now, don't get me wrong, I can't say that I liked all
of the music played that night, but the people
wouldn't get into ANYTHING. Most of the time they just
stood around and ...well that's pretty much it. There
were more people standing outside of the room with
music just standing around and talking. This brings up
that old question of WHY the fuck do you pay 10-15
dollars to go to a party and stand around? 
Another thing is....what's with the thug central in
Cinci? I felt like I was back in Evansville, IN at
some poorly done hip hop party. I am surprised no
fights broke out.

As far as the party itself, I enjoyed Matt's set a
lot. Derek didn't seem to get into his shit as much,
but I think that's understandable considering people
were dead all night long and he played at 12 (btw why
would u bring a dj down from 5-6 hours away who is
rather known and respected and have him play at 12?).
That's pretty much all I remember. The lights were
minimal and the sound could have been louder. The
venue itself was nice, but the cigarette smoke made me
cough for 2 days after the party. That wasn't cool =)

But it was nice to see a lot of mw-ravers and hope
we'll get to hang out again soon.

Peace,
Misha

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 17:05:38 2000
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Yea, whatever...  Chad, ChrisE (is for ecstasy) and I already had a whole
thread going talking about you guys behind your backs last night.  :)

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Luke Rider wrote:
> Well, actually, I subbed at about 7:14 this morning...  I was just in NO
> mood to be sending out email at that point, though.

That's why it's all about writing an 'at' command to automatically send a
subscription request at midnight and a procmail recipe to automatically
authorize the request when it mails you back.  :)

It's not easy being cheesey.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 17:13:27 2000
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Misha unfortunately you've caught cinci right in the middle of one of its newbie growth spurts...where it seems like most of the new kids coming in are G-thugs from the G-thug parts of town. But if history holds true, as it usually does, they'll only be around for a couple of months. These are kids that unfortanetly for us see the "scene" as a way to make a few quick bucks, but as soon as the older "street pharmaceutical reps" get ahold of them, they usually disappear. Its sad for me to sit here and say that, but its the truth. And that truth is that there are several "street pharmacist" in this city that actually go to parties for the music and make money too. Of course honestly, most cities are the same way. 

To sit here and say that as soon as we get rid of some of the drug dealers the scene will thrive again would be completely ignorant of me. But thats what kind of people the scene seems to be bringing in right now...kids who a couple of weeks ago were listening to nothing but Cash Money, Master P, Eminem, and Snoop (not that I'm knocking any of those groups...well okay I'll always knock Cash Money and Master P) then come to a "Rave,all night dance party" and see all the drugs and money to be made so they stick around and will go to any party in the area the can get a flyer for. But they don't last in this town. Anybody who's been around this town for awhile will agree with that. 

Plus it was a Friday party, and $10 so alot of people came out that you normally wouldn't see out. And as weird as this may be, it was a mostly techno party, and cincy isn't exactly a techno town right now. 7 years ago, yeah...and hopefully with Randy steadily bringing in techno artist, techno will thrive again in this town that was formally known for its techno and hardcore. But as it goes, right now this city is in its loop of newbies that only last for about 4 months, and this cycle comes up about every 2 years. So don't pass judgement on this town and the scene here by one party on one night.

As far as the lighting and such that you didn't care for, I think Randy's whole plan is to keep these Floorplan parties as low cost as possible to help bring in some of the more well respected Techno Dj's around for a low cover charge. But knowing Randy, he's more than able to take care of those questions himself

off the soapbox
shawne



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From: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Mikhail Khaimov <dj_tsar@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:53:16 -0800 (PST)

>You know, I was wondering if any of you who have been
>to Cinci parties would want to express your opinions
>on the scene there. I attended one of the Floorplan
>parties this past Friday night and to be honest, I was
>very disappointed. I don't think that has much to do
>with the production of the event itself as much as
>with the crowd itself and its response to the dj's.
>Now, don't get me wrong, I can't say that I liked all
>of the music played that night, but the people
>wouldn't get into ANYTHING. Most of the time they just
>stood around and ...well that's pretty much it. There
>were more people standing outside of the room with
>music just standing around and talking. This brings up
>that old question of WHY the fuck do you pay 10-15
>dollars to go to a party and stand around? 
>Another thing is....what's with the thug central in
>Cinci? I felt like I was back in Evansville, IN at
>some poorly done hip hop party. I am surprised no
>fights broke out.
>
>As far as the party itself, I enjoyed Matt's set a
>lot. Derek didn't seem to get into his shit as much,
>but I think that's understandable considering people
>were dead all night long and he played at 12 (btw why
>would u bring a dj down from 5-6 hours away who is
>rather known and respected and have him play at 12?).
>That's pretty much all I remember. The lights were
>minimal and the sound could have been louder. The
>venue itself was nice, but the cigarette smoke made me
>cough for 2 days after the party. That wasn't cool =)
>
>But it was nice to see a lot of mw-ravers and hope
>we'll get to hang out again soon.
>
>Peace,
>Misha
>
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In a message dated 00-03-27 12:09:46 EST, atomly@atomly.com writes:

<< 
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so cheesey is what we're calling nerdy now?

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> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, Luke Rider wrote:
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> > mood to be sending out email at that point, though.
>
> That's why it's all about writing an 'at' command to automatically send a
> subscription request at midnight and a procmail recipe to automatically
> authorize the request when it mails you back.  :)
>
> It's not easy being cheesey.

    wow dude, you have too much free time... =] I did it the old fashioned
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-chad sponholz- wrote:

> mw-raves is back up... 21 subskribers.
>
> that's just kind of funny :)

Hmm... maybe this little regeneration will improve the
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Probably not, I'm still on here.
p.s. Mr. Moderator, did Stevie "phychobable" T
resubscribe.
I think everyone is patiently anticipating the answer
to this one.

--- Adam Ierymenko <api@relaymail.net> wrote:
> -chad sponholz- wrote:
> 
> > mw-raves is back up... 21 subskribers.
> >
> > that's just kind of funny :)
> 
> Hmm... maybe this little regeneration will improve
> the
> quality on here?
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> 
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I know that on some mailing lists there's a 'reply-to'
address that is set by default as the addy for that
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reply, you don't send the same e-mail to 20390239
different people. Maybe we could do that to avoid
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Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> You know, I was wondering if any of you who have been
> to Cinci parties would want to express your opinions
> on the scene there. I attended one of the Floorplan
> parties this past Friday night and to be honest, I was
> very disappointed. I don't think that has much to do
> with the production of the event itself as much as
> with the crowd itself and its response to the dj's.
> Now, don't get me wrong, I can't say that I liked all
> of the music played that night, but the people
> wouldn't get into ANYTHING. Most of the time they just
> stood around and ...well that's pretty much it. There
> were more people standing outside of the room with
> music just standing around and talking. This brings up
> that old question of WHY the fuck do you pay 10-15
> dollars to go to a party and stand around?
> Another thing is....what's with the thug central in
> Cinci? I felt like I was back in Evansville, IN at
> some poorly done hip hop party. I am surprised no
> fights broke out.

Cincy sucks big fat smelly ass.  It's not the promoters.
It's the *crowds*.  Cincy gets some of the worst crowds
I've ever seen, except maybe up around the Dayton/Xenia
area.  (Y'all from Xenia?)  There is a small crew of cool
kids in Cincy, but the majority just suck.

Not only that, the Cincy scene has always been a snobby,
I-am-more-rave-than-you kind of scene.  Cincy almost
reminds me of Detroit but with smaller parties and without
any actual justification to be snobby.  Almost all the crews
in Cincy hate each other, and constantly fight and try to
sabotage each others' parties.  I don't know how anyone
can stand to throw a party in this city.

I'm sure you've all heard me ranting on here before about
attitudes... keep in mind that I live in Cincinnati.  I guess I'm
not rave enough.  (Maybe because I have hopes for my life
beyond just being 'rave'?)  I've been to maybe 2 good parties
in Cincy, and like I said it's not the promoters fault (I know a
few, and I know they try).  This city just has a bad vibe (this
is not confined only to the rave scene either).



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i've seen that cause problems with people accidentally sending private
e-mails to the list....but then most seem to learn from that and be a little
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 18:46:17 2000
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i resubbed again at about 8 o clock this morning. i had to do it before i 
went to work and class so i would have something to do while i 
procrastinated this afternoon. god bless mw-raves..... so, just maybe, now 
that the people who are on this list want to be on it...they felt the need 
to put in the effort to come back to it..will improve the quality of this 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 18:47:19 2000
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Jon Gotti wrote:

> Probably not, I'm still on here.
> p.s. Mr. Moderator, did Stevie "phychobable" T
> resubscribe.
> I think everyone is patiently anticipating the answer
> to this one.

But we gotta have the true creator on here!  After all, how
would we redeemed without the one burnt-out-raver Christ
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 18:53:27 2000
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you know whats scarry, this list is starting to sound
somewhat inteligent,
maybe we should start having a policy of authorizing
who can be on it.
I know you all are going to hate me for that one, but
hell what can you expect from such an elete rockstar
as myself
hehe

--- Pixie <pixie@bluegrass.net> wrote:
> i've seen that cause problems with people
> accidentally sending private
> e-mails to the list....but then most seem to learn
> from that and be a little
> more conscious of who they're sending their e-mails
> to, so then again....
> 
> pixie
> 
> 
> 
> :I know that on some mailing lists there's a
> 'reply-to'
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> :particular mailing list. What that does is when u
> hit
> :reply, you don't send the same e-mail to 20390239
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> :getting flooded with messages that have same
> content?
> :
> :What do u think?
> 
> 
> 
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yeah, i'm from cincinnati, too. the "fresh girls" used to throw some great 
house parties at their place on victory street in clifton. lots 'o ppl 
dancin' & smilin'. the parties were free, too, if i remember correctly. they 
split up & moved out, tho. haven't heard of anything from thier group in a 
while. it's a shame, their parties were propped. a moment of silence for the 
victory house . . .

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Actually there's still one or 2 "fresh" girls living
in Cincinnati. One of them is Samm-E's girlfriend I
believe. Also there's one or 2 of them living in
Lexington. As a matter fact, one of them lives with
her fiancee in my apartment complex =)
They do a lot of vending with stuff like fresh fruit,
water, drinks, etc. They are trying to promote a
"healthy" party life style and I think it's a very
noble idea. Check out their vending booth at our party
on April 8th here in Lex. I am really looking forward
to having them here =)


Misha

--- Planet Site <planetsite@hotmail.com> wrote:
> yeah, i'm from cincinnati, too. the "fresh girls"
> used to throw some great 
> house parties at their place on victory street in
> clifton. lots 'o ppl 
> dancin' & smilin'. the parties were free, too, if i
> remember correctly. they 
> split up & moved out, tho. haven't heard of anything
> from thier group in a 
> while. it's a shame, their parties were propped. a
> moment of silence for the 
> victory house . . .
> 
> peace2u
> |||site|||
> 
> planetsite@hotmail.com
> 
> "He's always been lacking in moral fibre."
> "He knows a lot about Sean Connery."
> "That's hardly a substitute."
> 
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> On Mon, 27 Mar 2000 Lincoln001@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Im just curious to know who is on here already (Grin).  I wanna
> know how many of you had mw-raves withdrawal...

I will quote you what I said on the mw-trance list....

godfoot@juno.com wrote:
> I'm going through withdrawals since mw-raves is down.
> I'm addicted to senseless posts, someone please help me
> get through these next few hours until I can get back
> on mw-raves.  I NEED a stupid, pointless post!!!

I was up all night but wanted to be fasionably late
resubbing, did it work?

Peace and love,

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 19:09:53 2000
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dang it. i jest wrote this lovely email. and then poof! it disappeared. i 
think i'll not miss hotmail too much.
well, hello kids. while my heart was yelping for mw-raves this weekend, my 
bootie was shakin. that's right, i went raving in mpls.
i dont know the name of the party, but i do know that kooky scienctist 
rocks. beyond that, the party was nice, but kinda mediocre. the sound was 
good. and the lights and decor were alright. slip was a little harder than i 
really dig. and, i wasnt really down with the hardcore mix of like a virgin. 
"isnt that what happy hardcore is for."- jes
but, i did manage to get my i love ghetto t shirt. oh...  i guess i would be 
more midwest raves if i wrote i *heart* ghetto...anyways, i earned that 
shirt. every stitch of it. and, hey. did you all know that massive has free 
vicks. that's so cool. i mean thats what plur is all about. i *heart* 
massive.
chris E was an excellent host, head bashing and all. and, chickenhead dica- 
thanks fer letting us carry some water in and bringing two lovely ladies. it 
was really nice to meet emily, jenny, mark and luke. sixtybus- it was neat 
to actually get to hang out with you. and i'll prolly be able to hook you up 
with that delivery boy. atomly- thanks fer quenching my aphex twin thirst 
and delivering chad and myself safely to chris's. birthday suzi- thanks fer 
the cocklube and no, i do  not want a plur stick.and, jes...aww. i love you. 
even if your tits are better than mine. gives me something to work towards=) 
   and chad, thanks  fer everything. even bashing me in the head. and 
especially fer letting me fall asleep watching the stars. your pretty 
special.
this weekend was just what the doctor ordered. olive juice.

love,
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 19:14:58 2000
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awww.... i'm all misty now....

the party...
well..the sound wasn't all that great..but i will agree that the lighting was 
sorta nice..  the djs seemed alright..i wasn't too into slip.. and.. i'm all 
about watching a gurl grab people's nipples..


yeah.
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great isn't it, I was talking to Dan Xanthos about
that when he was down here for Adicted to Love, they
were selling dust masks for $5, with free vix all
night.  Funny as hell huh, the funiest thing was, they
fucking sold out of em!
Like Dan sais, "hell, I'll sell crack to a 3 year old
as long as I know their some cash flow in it"
I *heart* massive as well
oh ya, and I *heart* Dan, funniest fucker on 4 wheels.

 and, hey. did you all
> know that massive has free 
> vicks. that's so cool. i mean thats what plur is all
> about. i *heart* 
> massive.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Mon Mar 27 19:19:23 2000
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>> I'm going through withdrawals since mw-raves is down.
>> I'm addicted to senseless posts, someone please help me
>> get through these next few hours until I can get back
>> on mw-raves.  I NEED a stupid, pointless post!!!

I said something along the lines of how bad I felt for arizona-raves...they
got all my bitchiness and sarcasm all weekend ;p

I also learned that I kick ass at drunk bowling :P

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> the party...
> well..the sound wasn't all that great..but i will agree that the lighting
was
> sorta nice..  the djs seemed alright..

I got mad bitchez at that parti(e). I got this new NSYNC/BACKSTREET Boys
mixed with Kandy Kid look that is really working for me.

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haw haw haw....i guess there are more people resubbed than i thought

i wanna buy mnpls... can i do that?

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In a message dated 3/27/00 9:14:38 AM Central Standard Time, 
Lincoln001@aol.com writes:

<< Yeah... so.. all of you over zealous ravers..tell me about the weekend's 
 festivities.. >>

This weekend I officially became white trash..  and a big nerd.
White trash part of me screams for animal print, Guns-n-Roses and one other 
thing that I don't want to tell you about because it truly is embarassing.
The nerdy part of me hung out with other computer people.  
I was working on Saturday until 6, but around 5:25, Soozi, Luke, Chad, Jaimme 
and Chris*E show up.  I didn't know that Chad and Jaimme were going to be in 
town, so those lovely kids made my afternoon.  I spent Saturday night and 
Sunday evening with the aforementioned, plus Atomly (who I can assure you was 
air drumming while walking down the sidewalk), Jes, (A real pleasure to 
finally meet) Mark, Matt Murphy, Dica, Emily and whoever else.. you know who 
you are..  you all showed me a lovley time.  Suzi brought me a nice new toy 
and word has it that Atomly is the master deepthroater.  That theory will 
never be tested again on my plur bat, I tell you.  While at the party with 
the cool laser, I flashed most of the mw-raves posse. I got to play SLAPHANDS 
with jes.  i fell in love with one of the delivery boys from pizza luce.  
that was my weekend.  :)

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"Check out their vending booth at our party
>on April 8th here in Lex. I am really looking forward
>to having them here =)"

ay man, can you tell me more about yer party?  you know, the usual stuff.

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Planet Site wrote:

> yeah, i'm from cincinnati, too. the "fresh girls" used to throw some great
> house parties at their place on victory street in clifton. lots 'o ppl
> dancin' & smilin'. the parties were free, too, if i remember correctly. they
> split up & moved out, tho. haven't heard of anything from thier group in a
> while. it's a shame, their parties were propped. a moment of silence for the
> victory house . . .

I dunno what happened to Tanya or the other girl (forget her
name), but Crystal moved to... I think Lexington or maybe
Louisville and got married.  There is a new crew of kids
living in the Victor house.  A couple of them are pretty cool.
They don't throw big massive house parties anymore.  I
only went to a few of their parties and they were pretty good..
mostly because the crowd was mostly the college-kid-raver
and in-crowd and not the ghetto-g-dawg-raver crowd.

Cincy occasionally has good parties if lots of out-of-towners
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A while back someone posted some link to a website that had 
instructions on how to sew phat pants.  My favorite pair had a 
drunken encounter with a barbed wire fence this weekend, and I wanted 
to honor them, by saving some large strips to flare some camoflage 
ones I have.  Anyone have any suggestions?
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(feeling compelled to give my perspective)

Most of the people in Cincy who ever had anything positive to offer the
scene have pretty much given up and moved on to other interests.  This
city used to have a very lively scene back in 96-97, but sometime in
early 98 a lot of things changed.  I can't pinpoint the exact reasons
for this change because I was a non-member raver.  By this I mean that
you could find me at almost every party thrown, and I could easily have
a conversation with any of the established deejays here, but I had
absolutely zero friends in the rave scene (aside the close friends of
mine who would repeat the same thing).  We were also musicians, there to
be with the music and perhaps help create the music.  And that's where
we began to notice wrongness.

Whenever we tried to get gigs, we noticed that new talent was severely
shuned by the closed-door cliques who ran the established groups.  At
this point we noticed that it was because we weren't friends with their
friends, so by definition, we were enemies.  After a couple of years,
this got very old, very fast.  On top of it all, we found ourselves akin
to many others with the same gripe.  Normally this would cause a rebel
alliance of diy'ers, but most everyone we encountered were past that and
only good for bitch sessions.

We then noticed something else: this city is full of people who lack
gumption.

However, I think this can be partially attributed to the closed clique
circles.  What outsider would want to throw a party for people who do
nothing but critisize outsiders?  In Cincy, there's so much who's who
that it's absolutely disgusting.  I found myself only wanting to fund
parties that had little to do with the scene and the people affiliated
with it.  So the parties I've been affiliated with have all been CAA
(Cincy Art Acadamy), private house parties and one-offs, primarly
because you don't have to suck elite dicks to get there.

<generality>So now there are no originators here in cincy, only new
jacks and the punks supporting them who don't know any
better.</generality>  That's the reason for the weird crowds in Cincy. 
There are plenty of people like myself who just don't attend many
parties anymore because we're either tired of traveling, or tired of
hoping for change.

btw...the bottom line is: Too many people here have been jaded, one way
or another, by the closed circles to give a damn anymore.

In closing, I do have to give props to the likes of Kenya and Subsonik,
and probably a few others who keep the idea alive...I know I paint a
grim picture, but I call 'em as I feel 'em and absolute objectivity has
nothing to do with my perspective.  void where prohibited.

peace...gregori
 
 

Mikhail Khaimov wrote:

> You know, I was wondering if any of you who have been
> to Cinci parties would want to express your opinions
> on the scene there. I attended one of the Floorplan
> parties this past Friday night and to be honest, I was
> very disappointed. I don't think that has much to do
> with the production of the event itself as much as
> with the crowd itself and its response to the dj's.
> Now, don't get me wrong, I can't say that I liked all
> of the music played that night, but the people
> wouldn't get into ANYTHING. Most of the time they just
> stood around and ...well that's pretty much it. There
> were more people standing outside of the room with
> music just standing around and talking. This brings up
> that old question of WHY the fuck do you pay 10-15
> dollars to go to a party and stand around?
> Another thing is....what's with the thug central in
> Cinci? I felt like I was back in Evansville, IN at
> some poorly done hip hop party. I am surprised no
> fights broke out.
>
> As far as the party itself, I enjoyed Matt's set a
> lot. Derek didn't seem to get into his shit as much,
> but I think that's understandable considering people
> were dead all night long and he played at 12 (btw why
> would u bring a dj down from 5-6 hours away who is
> rather known and respected and have him play at 12?).
> That's pretty much all I remember. The lights were
> minimal and the sound could have been louder. The
> venue itself was nice, but the cigarette smoke made me
> cough for 2 days after the party. That wasn't cool =)
>
> But it was nice to see a lot of mw-ravers and hope
> we'll get to hang out again soon.
>
> Peace,
> Misha
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Guy Incognito wrote:

> A while back someone posted some link to a website that had
> instructions on how to sew phat pants.  My favorite pair had a
> drunken encounter with a barbed wire fence this weekend, and I wanted
> to honor them, by saving some large strips to flare some camoflage
> ones I have.  Anyone have any suggestions?

BTW, has anyone noticed that really huge phat pants seem to
be going out of style in some areas?  Definitely in mine...
Never thought I'd see the day.



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I sure hope so, I just can't keep up with these young
whipersnappers with their 30inch pant leg widths.  I
instated a rule when I was in highschool about pants
(remember back in the day when it was straitghtleg
pants, and the huge phatpants weren't popular yet?), I
won't buy a pair of pants that I can fit my head into
the leg.
thank you
and good night.

> BTW, has anyone noticed that really huge phat pants
> seem to
> be going out of style in some areas?  Definitely in
> mine...
> Never thought I'd see the day.


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gregori wrote:

> (feeling compelled to give my perspective)
>
> Most of the people in Cincy who ever had anything positive to offer the
> scene have pretty much given up and moved on to other interests.  This
> city used to have a very lively scene back in 96-97, but sometime in
> early 98 a lot of things changed.  I can't pinpoint the exact reasons
> for this change because I was a non-member raver.  By this I mean that
> you could find me at almost every party thrown, and I could easily have
> a conversation with any of the established deejays here, but I had
> absolutely zero friends in the rave scene (aside the close friends of
> mine who would repeat the same thing).  We were also musicians, there to
> be with the music and perhaps help create the music.  And that's where
> we began to notice wrongness.

That's exactly the kind of vicious circle that the scene is in
all over the Midwest... it's just particularly bad in Cincy.

1) The scene starts out.. everything's cool... everyone shares
an experience and is motivated by that to put their own
talents and ideas into the mix.  A huge spontaneous outpouring
of creativity occurs.  This is where the culture came from.

2) Cliques start to take over.. people start being elitist and
the I-am-more-rave-than-you attitude starts.  People start
throwing parties and being involved for money and/or status
and not just to be creative or have fun.

3) The truely creative people get sick of playing this game and
leave.  People refuse to put their effort into it anymore.  They
get so put off by the shit coming out of the elites that they
simply withdraw and place their efforts elsewhere.

4) The scene starts to wither and decay and stagnate without
the creativity and effort that is required to sustain it.. the
creativity and effort that has been withdrawn.

If you'll notice, this is the pattern followed by all of these
little artistic subcultures.  It is also the pattern of the rise and
fall of nations and civilizations.  Cool, creative people create
something.  Assholes take it over and turn it into a shit-fest.
Cool, creative people leave.  The creation collapses.  Repeat
cycle.

The longest lasting civilizations in history have always had
mechanisms to try to keep these types of people out of power,
but they always end up failing in the end.



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I have to agree with you that most of cincinnati is very clique oriented...of course 99% of the scenes out there are the same way. The thing is, there are people out there that will support people if they have ideas and abilities that they can believe in. The truly sad thing is that some of the big "cliques" in cincinnati are not truly that closed minded to new people, if those new people would approach them and make themselves known several times. The problem is that people look at each other and say "oh, he's part of that clique, I can't talk to him" or "i can't approach him cuz he'll just be a dick" or even more unfortunately you approach them once, and they're not in that great of a mood or something is going wrong, and they're less then hospitable to you. If you want to break down cliques and walls and prejudice, you have to make yourself heard and seen and not just crawl into a hole at the first sign of resistance.

As most people who know me around this area can vouche, I have friends in almost all of the "cliques" and even non-members of cliques and the only way I've been able to do it is to not be intimidated by people and if I see something that I want to be apart of, I don't let people stop me from being apart of it. Its not really that hard.

Maybe if people would try to communicate with each other and not base their opinions of each other on one meeting or even a couple of meetings in the past (people change) then this scene would be as tight as it was back in the summer of 96...

back on the box
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:52:42 -0500

>(feeling compelled to give my perspective)
>
>Most of the people in Cincy who ever had anything positive to offer the
>scene have pretty much given up and moved on to other interests.  This
>city used to have a very lively scene back in 96-97, but sometime in
>early 98 a lot of things changed.  I can't pinpoint the exact reasons
>for this change because I was a non-member raver.  By this I mean that
>you could find me at almost every party thrown, and I could easily have
>a conversation with any of the established deejays here, but I had
>absolutely zero friends in the rave scene (aside the close friends of
>mine who would repeat the same thing).  We were also musicians, there to
>be with the music and perhaps help create the music.  And that's where
>we began to notice wrongness.
>
>Whenever we tried to get gigs, we noticed that new talent was severely
>shuned by the closed-door cliques who ran the established groups.  At
>this point we noticed that it was because we weren't friends with their
>friends, so by definition, we were enemies.  After a couple of years,
>this got very old, very fast.  On top of it all, we found ourselves akin
>to many others with the same gripe.  Normally this would cause a rebel
>alliance of diy'ers, but most everyone we encountered were past that and
>only good for bitch sessions.
>
>We then noticed something else: this city is full of people who lack
>gumption.
>
>However, I think this can be partially attributed to the closed clique
>circles.  What outsider would want to throw a party for people who do
>nothing but critisize outsiders?  In Cincy, there's so much who's who
>that it's absolutely disgusting.  I found myself only wanting to fund
>parties that had little to do with the scene and the people affiliated
>with it.  So the parties I've been affiliated with have all been CAA
>(Cincy Art Acadamy), private house parties and one-offs, primarly
>because you don't have to suck elite dicks to get there.
>
><generality>So now there are no originators here in cincy, only new
>jacks and the punks supporting them who don't know any
>better.</generality>  That's the reason for the weird crowds in Cincy. 
>There are plenty of people like myself who just don't attend many
>parties anymore because we're either tired of traveling, or tired of
>hoping for change.
>
>btw...the bottom line is: Too many people here have been jaded, one way
>or another, by the closed circles to give a damn anymore.
>
>In closing, I do have to give props to the likes of Kenya and Subsonik,
>and probably a few others who keep the idea alive...I know I paint a
>grim picture, but I call 'em as I feel 'em and absolute objectivity has
>nothing to do with my perspective.  void where prohibited.
>
>peace...gregori
> 
> 
>
>Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
>
>> You know, I was wondering if any of you who have been
>> to Cinci parties would want to express your opinions
>> on the scene there. I attended one of the Floorplan
>> parties this past Friday night and to be honest, I was
>> very disappointed. I don't think that has much to do
>> with the production of the event itself as much as
>> with the crowd itself and its response to the dj's.
>> Now, don't get me wrong, I can't say that I liked all
>> of the music played that night, but the people
>> wouldn't get into ANYTHING. Most of the time they just
>> stood around and ...well that's pretty much it. There
>> were more people standing outside of the room with
>> music just standing around and talking. This brings up
>> that old question of WHY the fuck do you pay 10-15
>> dollars to go to a party and stand around?
>> Another thing is....what's with the thug central in
>> Cinci? I felt like I was back in Evansville, IN at
>> some poorly done hip hop party. I am surprised no
>> fights broke out.
>>
>> As far as the party itself, I enjoyed Matt's set a
>> lot. Derek didn't seem to get into his shit as much,
>> but I think that's understandable considering people
>> were dead all night long and he played at 12 (btw why
>> would u bring a dj down from 5-6 hours away who is
>> rather known and respected and have him play at 12?).
>> That's pretty much all I remember. The lights were
>> minimal and the sound could have been louder. The
>> venue itself was nice, but the cigarette smoke made me
>> cough for 2 days after the party. That wasn't cool =)
>>
>> But it was nice to see a lot of mw-ravers and hope
>> we'll get to hang out again soon.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Misha
>>
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I worked for over 4 years to be a part of the scene, as well as trying to=
 form and be a part of the cinci dnb scene (ha!).=A0 Every experience tol=
d me that I was wasting my time.=A0 And yet I persisted, to the point of =
redundancy.=A0 I'm bitter now...and probably always will be.=A0 End of st=
ory.

The biggest kick in the pants is that I gave up right when it got easy.=A0=
 If only I'd have kept on, right now I could be the envy of high school g=
-dog overnight junglists everywhere!!!...ah well, fuck'em.

peace...gregori
=A0

shawn hinson wrote:

> I have to agree with you that most of cincinnati is very clique oriente=
d...of course 99% of the scenes out there are the same way. The thing is,=
 there are people out there that will support people if they have ideas a=
nd abilities that they can believe in. The truly sad thing is that some o=
f the big "cliques" in cincinnati are not truly that closed minded to new=
 people, if those new people would approach them and make themselves know=
n several times. The problem is that people look at each other and say "o=
h, he's part of that clique, I can't talk to him" or "i can't approach hi=
m cuz he'll just be a dick" or even more unfortunately you approach them =
once, and they're not in that great of a mood or something is going wrong=
, and they're less then hospitable to you. If you want to break down cliq=
ues and walls and prejudice, you have to make yourself heard and seen and=
 not just crawl into a hole at the first sign of resistance.
>
> As most people who know me around this area can vouche, I have friends =
in almost all of the "cliques" and even non-members of cliques and the on=
ly way I've been able to do it is to not be intimidated by people and if =
I see something that I want to be apart of, I don't let people stop me fr=
om being apart of it. Its not really that hard.
>
> Maybe if people would try to communicate with each other and not base t=
heir opinions of each other on one meeting or even a couple of meetings i=
n the past (people change) then this scene would be as tight as it was ba=
ck in the summer of 96...
>
> back on the box
> shawne
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: gregori <gsparker@parkerresearch.com>
> Reply-To: gregori <gsparker@parkerresearch.com>
> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:52:42 -0500
>
> >(feeling compelled to give my perspective)
> >
> >Most of the people in Cincy who ever had anything positive to offer th=
e
> >scene have pretty much given up and moved on to other interests.=A0 Th=
is
> >city used to have a very lively scene back in 96-97, but sometime in
> >early 98 a lot of things changed.=A0 I can't pinpoint the exact reason=
s
> >for this change because I was a non-member raver.=A0 By this I mean th=
at
> >you could find me at almost every party thrown, and I could easily hav=
e
> >a conversation with any of the established deejays here, but I had
> >absolutely zero friends in the rave scene (aside the close friends of
> >mine who would repeat the same thing).=A0 We were also musicians, ther=
e to
> >be with the music and perhaps help create the music.=A0 And that's whe=
re
> >we began to notice wrongness.
> >
> >Whenever we tried to get gigs, we noticed that new talent was severely=

> >shuned by the closed-door cliques who ran the established groups.=A0 A=
t
> >this point we noticed that it was because we weren't friends with thei=
r
> >friends, so by definition, we were enemies.=A0 After a couple of years=
,
> >this got very old, very fast.=A0 On top of it all, we found ourselves =
akin
> >to many others with the same gripe.=A0 Normally this would cause a reb=
el
> >alliance of diy'ers, but most everyone we encountered were past that a=
nd
> >only good for bitch sessions.
> >
> >We then noticed something else: this city is full of people who lack
> >gumption.
> >
> >However, I think this can be partially attributed to the closed clique=

> >circles.=A0 What outsider would want to throw a party for people who d=
o
> >nothing but critisize outsiders?=A0 In Cincy, there's so much who's wh=
o
> >that it's absolutely disgusting.=A0 I found myself only wanting to fun=
d
> >parties that had little to do with the scene and the people affiliated=

> >with it.=A0 So the parties I've been affiliated with have all been CAA=

> >(Cincy Art Acadamy), private house parties and one-offs, primarly
> >because you don't have to suck elite dicks to get there.
> >
> ><generality>So now there are no originators here in cincy, only new
> >jacks and the punks supporting them who don't know any
> >better.</generality>=A0 That's the reason for the weird crowds in Cinc=
y.
> >There are plenty of people like myself who just don't attend many
> >parties anymore because we're either tired of traveling, or tired of
> >hoping for change.
> >
> >btw...the bottom line is: Too many people here have been jaded, one wa=
y
> >or another, by the closed circles to give a damn anymore.
> >
> >In closing, I do have to give props to the likes of Kenya and Subsonik=
,
> >and probably a few others who keep the idea alive...I know I paint a
> >grim picture, but I call 'em as I feel 'em and absolute objectivity ha=
s
> >nothing to do with my perspective.=A0 void where prohibited.
> >
> >peace...gregori
> >
> >
> >
> >Mikhail Khaimov wrote:
> >
> >> You know, I was wondering if any of you who have been
> >> to Cinci parties would want to express your opinions
> >> on the scene there. I attended one of the Floorplan
> >> parties this past Friday night and to be honest, I was
> >> very disappointed. I don't think that has much to do
> >> with the production of the event itself as much as
> >> with the crowd itself and its response to the dj's.
> >> Now, don't get me wrong, I can't say that I liked all
> >> of the music played that night, but the people
> >> wouldn't get into ANYTHING. Most of the time they just
> >> stood around and ...well that's pretty much it. There
> >> were more people standing outside of the room with
> >> music just standing around and talking. This brings up
> >> that old question of WHY the fuck do you pay 10-15
> >> dollars to go to a party and stand around?
> >> Another thing is....what's with the thug central in
> >> Cinci? I felt like I was back in Evansville, IN at
> >> some poorly done hip hop party. I am surprised no
> >> fights broke out.
> >>
> >> As far as the party itself, I enjoyed Matt's set a
> >> lot. Derek didn't seem to get into his shit as much,
> >> but I think that's understandable considering people
> >> were dead all night long and he played at 12 (btw why
> >> would u bring a dj down from 5-6 hours away who is
> >> rather known and respected and have him play at 12?).
> >> That's pretty much all I remember. The lights were
> >> minimal and the sound could have been louder. The
> >> venue itself was nice, but the cigarette smoke made me
> >> cough for 2 days after the party. That wasn't cool =3D)
> >>
> >> But it was nice to see a lot of mw-ravers and hope
> >> we'll get to hang out again soon.
> >>
> >> Peace,
> >> Misha
> >>
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I'm trying to find some info for a friend that is going to Amsterdam in
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> Hmm... maybe this little regeneration will improve the
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Don't hold your breath.

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> I know you all are going to hate me for that one, but
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If you were truly 3l33t, you'd have spelled it like I just did.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 00:49:36 2000
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>King Missile owns you.

Actually...I own him because I stole his detachable penis.


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 01:07:11 2000
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i just subbed to the list...
anyone have any info line/ flyer info for the party in chicago with ed
rush saturday?

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its showdown II, 773-509-2977 and 312-409-0618 http://dusttraxx.com

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i just subbed to the list...
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 01:21:23 2000
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Cincy is cursed with the same problems it had in 91-92.
Too many people tryin to take cincy over by themselves
rather than work for an overal objective and organized 
form of entertainment.
If cincy put forth HALF of the effort used on politics
and focused that alone on ..MUSIC  things would change.

Cincy posesses the chaos of Detroit, and the politics of
old school StLouis.
And yes I have lived in all 3places for large amounts of time,
aside from being from Cincy.

Yet I STILL love Cincy for what it is :)


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 01:30:27 2000
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>techno will thrive again in this town that was formally known for its
techno and hardcore. But as 

Cincy known for techno? or hardcore? wha?  I dunno, I've been going to
cincy parties for quite awhile (although i havnt' been down there in over a
year..)  But I dont ever recall it being much of either..  Techno..
somewhat.. but really columbus and even dayton seemed to support techno
more than cincy ever has..  Cincy has always struck me as more house and
jungle...  *shrug*


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 01:37:11 2000
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i apoligize if this goes through twice.

anybody have info on grooverider in cincy on thursday?
 cost?  exact location?  

grant or daniel maybe?  hook it up, please.

thanx in advance
jim

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 02:34:40 2000
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....DJ Tsar....






....Whispers....






....Real audio now at www.djtsar.com....






....MP3 available on April 1st....






....Tape available on April 10th....
 

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 03:48:15 2000
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Subject: [mw] Lexington, KY.  April 8. Underground Frequency.
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We're less than two weeks away from our first event in
Lexington. More information will be posted here
including directions to the venue and lineup times the
week of.
Hope to see you all there =)

--------------------------------------------
Saturday, April 8, 2000 - Lexington, KY

Entice brings you...
UNDERGROUND FREQUENCY


Thee-O / Biohazard 
Trance
Los Angeles, CA

Charles Cromer / Entice 
Jungle
Lexington, KY

Spahn / Subsonik, Transistor
Jungle
Cincinnati, OH

4-Deck Techno Battle
Adam Jay / SUBterror, Azure Records
Indianapolis, IN
Matt Bandy / SUBterror, AlienSquad
Lexington, KY
Shiva / SUBterror, The Goddess Complex
Indianapolis, IN

4-Deck House Duel
Trevor Lamont / AlienSquad
Lexington, KY
Samm-e / Teamsters, Fresh
Nashville, TN

Happycore Tag Team
Michael Knight / Kickin’ Beats
Columbus, OH
Spree / Kickin’ Beats
Minneapolis, MN


... 10 PM – 6 AM
... sound/intelligent lighting/laser by Project 7
... 100% legal, secure and clean venue with plenty of
parking
... capacity limited to 600 so please arrive early
... NO guest list!
... $12 @ the door w/ a canned food item, $15 w/out
... all donations will benefit the God’s Pantry in
Lexington
... R.O.A.R. in full effect
... absolutely no drugs, alcohol, weapons, markers,
drama or other bullshit. WE MEAN IT!
... website - http://www.entice.nu/
... info line - 606.288.4599


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 05:17:23 2000
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Nicholas Christ wrote:

> > I know you all are going to hate me for that one, but
> > hell what can you expect from such an elete rockstar
> > as myself
>
> If you were truly 3l33t, you'd have spelled it like I just did.
>
> Interesting though: the legendary John Draper (Captain Crunch) is into
> "raving."  (Is there a way to phrase that without sounding like I have
> an extra chromosome?)  Who'd a thunk?

Many of the 31337 (ha!) were/are into raving.  At one time,
a decent percentage of ravers were hackers.  Of course now,
a decent percentage are just white trash.  Oh well.



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the bitch is back. rejoiceth. i know you want to.

yeeeowza*
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[Adam Ierymenko <api@relaymail.net>]
> 
> Many of the 31337 (ha!) were/are into raving.  At one time,
> a decent percentage of ravers were hackers.  Of course now,
> a decent percentage are just white trash.  Oh well.

yes.
yes, yes yes yes YES.

raves are no longer /<-Ra|>...
we should just go back to 2600 meetings and phreaking strip mall 
cocots.

m

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>I'm trying to find some info for a friend that is going to Amsterdam in
>the next few months.
>He heard that their would be a noise festival in late May called
>Staalplatz or Staalplaatz (something along that line).
>He thinks it might be put on by a company with the same name.
>I know this is a stretch......does anybody have any ideas/clues on where
>we might be able to find some additional info???

Well, Staalplaat is a nice-ass label out of A-dam...

http://www.staalplaat.com

As for a particular noise festival <shrug> they have
a lot of those out there...  Maybe drop staalplaat
a line... Or if Eye-D is still around here he'd probably
know, being from Amsterdam and into hardcore.

If you check out the links at their page (under "bar")
you might find something.

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must be me MELTING onto the floor.
Anyhoo, im back, raver1420-ing up the list.

can you feel it?

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Since December of 1998 Subsonik has been promoting the techno sound in 
Cincinnati.

Derrick May (twice)
Dave Angel
James Pennington
Stacey Pullen
DRC (Trance)
Angel Alanis
Dan Curtin
Kikoman
Perry Ellis (back on that techno smack, once again!!!)
Acid Pimp
DJ Bone
Shiva
Rob Rage
Derrick Thompson

plus others such as: Spirit, Adam Jensen, React (me), Seth Clark, Matt 
Bandy, Manifest, Elevel 11, Brian Drabant, and many more.

Cincinnati is (and always has been) a house city. Lately though, because of 
our efforts, techno has become a staple in our scene.

As for Jungle, as much as I hate to say it... the jungle scene here is very 
small. It consist of a few key players and hasn't really done too much. 
Things will change. (i.e. Troll, Headstrong, Spahn) d & b destroyerz. 
Audioflo came to town last year and threw a party that consisted of more 
jungle than anything else. They had over 1200 people as far as I could tell.

Their last effort (on a sunday) with DJ Lee of the Metalheadz had a small 
turn-out.

There is a lot I can say considering I have been apart of the Cincy scene 
since 1996. To sum it all up, the music has always been good, the parties 
usually rock more than most places, and I feel that the scene will grow even 
more. The one thing I wish would happen is that the shade will go away. But 
every city has that, unfortunately.

just my thoughts.

react @ subsonik



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>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:28:01 -0600
>
> >techno will thrive again in this town that was formally known for its
>techno and hardcore. But as
>
>Cincy known for techno? or hardcore? wha?  I dunno, I've been going to
>cincy parties for quite awhile (although i havnt' been down there in over a
>year..)  But I dont ever recall it being much of either..  Techno..
>somewhat.. but really columbus and even dayton seemed to support techno
>more than cincy ever has..  Cincy has always struck me as more house and
>jungle...  *shrug*
>
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Who is trying take over Cincy???






>From: Bak*Edit <dani2@mindspring.com>
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>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] thoughts on the Cincinnati scene
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:59:22 -0800
>
>Cincy is cursed with the same problems it had in 91-92.
>Too many people tryin to take cincy over by themselves
>rather than work for an overal objective and organized
>form of entertainment.
>If cincy put forth HALF of the effort used on politics
>and focused that alone on ..MUSIC  things would change.
>
>Cincy posesses the chaos of Detroit, and the politics of
>old school StLouis.
>And yes I have lived in all 3places for large amounts of time,
>aside from being from Cincy.
>
>Yet I STILL love Cincy for what it is :)
>
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and putting forth half the effort on music?

I take that as personal insult. were have you been?

look at our production history.

http://subsonik.lineoiz.com.

as for politics, we have done our best to simply stay away from that shit.

sorry.

I don't think I know you, but it seems like that
you're an outsider looking in with your own interpratation of what is real.

you're wrong.

there have been numerous productions crews that have produced quality events 
with world renowned talent that have been successful.
a lot has changed. regardless of personal differences, no ill shit has gone 
down here the way it has in other cities.

how much effort have you put into the scene here?

just curious.









>From: Bak*Edit <dani2@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: Bak*Edit <dani2@mindspring.com>
>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [mw] thoughts on the Cincinnati scene
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:59:22 -0800
>
>Cincy is cursed with the same problems it had in 91-92.
>Too many people tryin to take cincy over by themselves
>rather than work for an overal objective and organized
>form of entertainment.
>If cincy put forth HALF of the effort used on politics
>and focused that alone on ..MUSIC  things would change.
>
>Cincy posesses the chaos of Detroit, and the politics of
>old school StLouis.
>And yes I have lived in all 3places for large amounts of time,
>aside from being from Cincy.
>
>Yet I STILL love Cincy for what it is :)
>
>
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http://subsonik.linenoiz.com



>From: "subsonik productions" <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: "subsonik productions" <subsonik_pro@hotmail.com>
>To: dani2@mindspring.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [mw] thoughts on the Cincinnati scene
>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 07:17:14 GMT
>
>and putting forth half the effort on music?
>
>I take that as personal insult. were have you been?
>
>look at our production history.
>
>http://subsonik.lineoiz.com.
>
>as for politics, we have done our best to simply stay away from that shit.
>
>sorry.
>
>I don't think I know you, but it seems like that
>you're an outsider looking in with your own interpratation of what is real.
>
>you're wrong.
>
>there have been numerous productions crews that have produced quality 
>events
>with world renowned talent that have been successful.
>a lot has changed. regardless of personal differences, no ill shit has gone
>down here the way it has in other cities.
>
>how much effort have you put into the scene here?
>
>just curious.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: Bak*Edit <dani2@mindspring.com>
>>Reply-To: Bak*Edit <dani2@mindspring.com>
>>To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
>>Subject: Re: [mw] thoughts on the Cincinnati scene
>>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:59:22 -0800
>>
>>Cincy is cursed with the same problems it had in 91-92.
>>Too many people tryin to take cincy over by themselves
>>rather than work for an overal objective and organized
>>form of entertainment.
>>If cincy put forth HALF of the effort used on politics
>>and focused that alone on ..MUSIC  things would change.
>>
>>Cincy posesses the chaos of Detroit, and the politics of
>>old school StLouis.
>>And yes I have lived in all 3places for large amounts of time,
>>aside from being from Cincy.
>>
>>Yet I STILL love Cincy for what it is :)
>>
>>
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At 07:17 AM 3/28/00 GMT, subsonik productions wrote:
>and putting forth half the effort on music?

As in PRODUCTION of music.
Making the actual music.



>I take that as personal insult.

Dont make this deeper than it is.
I voiced a simple opinion on CINCY and YOU take a personal 
insult?  You are not cincy, and i was not attempting to insult 
anyone or thing.

 were have you been?
>

StLouis, SanFran, Detroit, Bloomington, Louisville.

>look at our production history.

I did and of all of the DJ's, i love 
TomNeuman"AcidPimp Have you ever heard his tracks? They R O C K 
JaerranSchenck"Perry"Paris"Ellis" 
WalterBrown"Subgenius"
StaceyPullen   one of the gods.
and i would like to hear
AngelAlanis
DanCurtain

I am sorry that i dont attend enough events to keep 
up on the "Production" loop.  I go out to hear good music
and i am a picky bitch so i like very few DJs.

>
>http://subsonik.lineoiz.com.
>
>as for politics, we have done our best to simply stay away from that shit.
>

Good Job

>sorry.
>

Dont be


>I don't think I know you, but it seems like that
>you're an outsider looking in with your own interpratation of what is real.
>

Havent lived there for awhile.


>you're wrong.
>

possibly, it was an opinion

>there have been numerous productions crews that have produced quality events 
>with world renowned talent that have been successful.
>a lot has changed. regardless of personal differences, no ill shit has gone 
>down here the way it has in other cities.
>
>how much effort have you put into the scene here?
>

None, i put effort into my own music and label.


I am sorry my previous post seemed as an attack
but i have better things to do other than talk mw-rave
smack about "Scenes"


Scene ya later

           

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--react wrote--
"There is a lot I can say considering I have been apart of the Cincy scene
since 1996. To sum it all up, the music has always been good, the parties
usually rock more than most places, and I feel that the scene will grow even
more."

It does me good go hear you talking positive about our city.  Makes me
respect you and your events.  It's all self-fulfilling prophecy.  Just like
that kid in elementary sch that we all called doofus just to see if he'd
grow up that way . . . sure enough he did!

peace2u
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Speaking of 2600 meetings, has anyone on the list ever
attended a meeting of the Milwaukee group?  Just
looking for a heads up on what the group is like (to
satisfy my antisocial tendencies and fear of large
groups of people).  Thanks in advance.

--Will

--- matt hellige <matt@konfused.net> wrote:
> [Adam Ierymenko <api@relaymail.net>]
> > 
> > Many of the 31337 (ha!) were/are into raving.  At
> one time,
> > a decent percentage of ravers were hackers.  Of
> course now,
> > a decent percentage are just white trash.  Oh
> well.
> 
> yes.
> yes, yes yes yes YES.
> 
> raves are no longer /<-Ra|>...
> we should just go back to 2600 meetings and
> phreaking strip mall 
> cocots.
> 
> m
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> > Many of the 31337 (ha!) were/are into raving.  At one time,
> > a decent percentage of ravers were hackers.  Of course now,
> > a decent percentage are just white trash.  Oh well.
>


hey! there is NOTHING wrong with white trash....
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i'm entitled to a one-liner too!


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hey there everyone.
this is my first post and i am (somewhat) new to madison and looking for cool kiddies to hang with.

can someone let me know if this list works and give a shout out to me?

meow meow xox

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 16:25:23 2000
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are people allowed to get away with this now?

--- Aubree Bretsnyder <somalove@altavista.com> wrote:
> hey there everyone.
> this is my first post and i am (somewhat) new to
> madison and looking for cool kiddies to hang with.
> 
> can someone let me know if this list works and give
> a shout out to me?
> 
> meow meow xox
> 
> ps.  anybody like goa out here?
> 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 16:46:32 2000
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get away with what?


On Tue, 28 March 2000, Jon Gotti wrote:

> 
> are people allowed to get away with this now?
> 
> --- Aubree Bretsnyder <somalove@altavista.com> wrote:
> > hey there everyone.
> > this is my first post and i am (somewhat) new to
> > madison and looking for cool kiddies to hang with.
> > 
> > can someone let me know if this list works and give
> > a shout out to me?
> > 
> > meow meow xox
> > 
> > ps.  anybody like goa out here?
> > 
> > 
> >
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 16:52:02 2000
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and the
> politics of
> old school StLouis.

ah, the good ol days heheh
we finally lost most of the politics, now its just a
bunch of happy candy crap.
(but still has alot of promise, as long as nothing
gets seriously fucked up)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 17:01:33 2000
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I might be, I'm thinking about it, are you kats gwanna
go?, I wouldn't mind going out of town this weekend,
especially to see Andy C and Ed Rush.
Hit me back about it.

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sorry, that was meant to be private.

--- Jon Gotti <j_gotti_dnb@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > (you know.. holly*s friend... aaron*s
> girlfriend..)
> > 
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> > weekend in Chi town?
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> > 
> > -CRiSTiNA
> > 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 17:45:49 2000
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He's playing at Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, a drop
bass old school acid party in Wisconsin on the 8th of
April, I'm prolly gonna stop by on my way back from
playing in Iowa.
you spelled it correctly, and as I found out it is
pronounced (pan a see a), it is an english word that
means "a cure all".


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> PANACEA???????
> 
> i knew nothing about him being at a party in
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> more importantly, who wants the honor of giving me a
> ride?!  :)
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 18:24:00 2000
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What list?

;-)

--- Aubree Bretsnyder <somalove@altavista.com> wrote:
> hey there everyone.
> this is my first post and i am (somewhat) new to
> madison and looking for cool kiddies to hang with.
> 
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> a shout out to me?
> 
> meow meow xox
> 
> ps.  anybody like goa out here?


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sorry this isnt related to anything.

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Subject: [mw] Nesbitt's Lime Soda
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Thought some of you would dig this:


--- "Eric H." <burnout@heathers.stdio.com> wrote:
> Subject: [Fwd: NEGATIVLAND TRUE/FALSE 2000 TOUR]
> 
> Negativland wrote:
> > 
> > NEGATIVLAND TRUE/FALSE 2000 TOUR
> > http://www.negativland.com/
> > 
> > On the eve of Negativland's 20th anniversary as a group, they embark upon
> > their first national live tour in seven years.....
> > 
> > For up to date tour info, interviews, press, true or false rumors, etc.,
> > contact Negativland's
> > trusty tour manager, Paul McGoonis, care of his assistant, Will Linn at
> > will@blasthaus.com
> > 
> > Tour dates and radio spot links are at the end of this
> > announcement.
> > 
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-
> > NEGATIVLAND TRUE/FALSE 2000 TOUR
> > http://www.negativland.com/tour
> > 
> > Negativland is about to call it quits. One member is now in
> > federal prison for hacking into classified DieCorp think tank
> > documents. Another has become a Native American casino
> > consultant in the Southwest and wants nothing more to do with "low
> > paying alternative music." The band's drummer recently gave up
> > sticks and skins for a more lucrative life of insider day trading. The
> > Weatherman now installs customer satisfaction monitoring
> > equipment full-time for Global Cable, Inc. and has no further desire
> > to "create" anything. Crosley Bendix, the group's longtime senior
> > mentor and cultural advisor, has left the United States for good to
> > spend his twilight years at a mechanical drawing table interpreting
> > crop circle formations for MI5 in England. His final words on these
> > shores were, "music is basically dead. I'm not going to waste any
> > more time on it." It looks like the slow, agonizing demise of
> > Negativland has finally reached fruition after so many years of
> > trying.
> > 
> > TRUE or FALSE?
> > 
> > Well, like everything else you have to read these days, it's difficult to
> > tell. There may be some grains of truth in the above "information,"
> > but where exactly are those grains located? (Answer available only
> > from Negativland's currently-out-of-business address.) The only
> > truth you can be sure of is that nothing characterizes our
> > over-informationalized society more than our collective inability to
> > personally verify anything. And the spinning just keeps spinning
> > faster.
> > 
> > As so called "culture jammers", the group known as Negativland has
> > for many years held a mirror up to the media world, broken it, and
> > shuffled the pieces back into very different shapes. So it is fitting
> > that, perhaps for the last time (believe it or not), Negativland now
> > returns to the highways of America with a live performance about
> > modern info-life and its many confusions.
> > 
> > Negativland's 20th Anniversary TRUE/FALSE tour (and first
> > nationwide tour in seven years) celebrates the group's first two
> > decades of musical observations and sticky lawsuits with a
> > millennial concert lasting over two and a half hours, including a great
> > deal of never-before-heard material, as well as a few reworked
> > "tunes" from their twenty years of recordings. Rounding out this
> > over-stimulating evening of entertainment is an elaborately collaged
> > brew of film, video and slides, an actual puppet show appropriate for
> > all ages, and the first national appearance of longtime Negativland
> > collaborator, Pastor Dick.
> > 
> > Expect to remain seated for maximum absorption during this long,
> > densely- packed performance, designed to help you to discern
> > TRUE from FALSE.
> > 
> > NEGATIVLAND TRUE/FALSE TOUR DATES
> > 
> >         Fri. Apr 07 '00 --- Lincoln, Nebraska --- Royal Grove
> >         Sat. Apr 08 '00 --- Minneapolis --- First Avenue
> >         Mon. Apr 10 '00 --- Middleton, WI --- The Annex
> >         Tue. Apr 11 '00 --- Chicago --- House Of Blues
> >         Wed. Apr 12 '00 ----Evanston --- "O.T.E. Mobile", WNUR FM (tentative)
> >         Thu. Apr 13 '00 ----Pontiac --- Clutch Cargo
> >         Fri. Apr 14 '00 --- Toronto --- Opera House
> >         Sat. Apr 15 '00 --- Cleveland --- Agora
> >         Sun. Apr 16 '00 --- Pittsburgh --- Club Laga
> >         Tue. Apr 18 '00 --- Philadelphia --- TBA
> > 
> > This next part of the tour dates is not 100% solid yet, but will be
> > starting on the 3rd of May.
> > 
> >         Wed. May 03 '00 --- NYC --- Irving Plaza
> >         Thu. May 04 '00 --- Washington DC --- 9:30 Club
> >         Fri. May 05 '00 --- Poughkeepsie, NY --- Bard College
> >         Sat. May 06 '00 --- Boston --- Copley Theater
> >         Mon. May 08 '00 --- Chapel Hill, NC --- Carrboro Arts Center
> >         May '00 --- Columbia SC --- TBA
> >         Wed. May 10 '00 --- Atlanta --- Variety
> >         Fri. May 12 '00 --- Tampa --- Club More
> >         May '00 --- Pensacola --- Sluggos
> >         Sun. May 14 '00 --- New Orleans --- Howlin' Wolf
> >         Mon. May 15 '00 --- Houston --- TBA
> >         Tue. May 16 '00 --- Austin --- Stubb's BBQ
> >         May '00 --- Dallas --- TBA
> >         May '00 --- Tulsa --- TBA
> >         Sat. May 20 '00 --- Denver --- Bluebird
> >         May '00 --- New Mexico --- TBA
> >         May '00 --- Tucson --- TBA
> >         May '00 --- San Diego --- TBA
> >         Thu. May 25 '00 --- Los Angeles --- El Rey
> >         Sat. May 27 '00 --- San Francisco --- Palace of Fine Arts
> >         May '00 --- Palo Alto --- TBA
> > 
> > Also at http://www.negativland.com/tour/index.html :
> > 
> > TRUE/FALSE TOUR PHOTOS
> > 
> >   Hi-rez TRUE/FALSE Tour Photo - Color
> >   Hi-rez TRUE/FALSE  Tour Photo - B&W
> > 
> > TRUE/FALSE RADIO SPOTS
> > 
> > These radio ads are for both radio types and fans alike. They are
> > mp3s encoded at the highest quality (320 kbps), and a lower quality
> > for those who connect to the net with 2 tin cans and a taught string
> > (or a 28.8 modem). There are 10-15 seconds of a background
> > sound bed at the end so the venue and time can be announced with
> > out all that noise.
> > 
> > Hold down your option (Mac users) or your alt (PC users) button
> > down while clicking the link if the file isn't downloading.
> > 
> > Highest Quality
> > 60 second ads - (2.3Mb)
> > 1. Insult
> > 2. Electric Mud
> > 3. Stealing
> > 4. Wrong Place, Wrong Time
> > 
> > Highest Quality
> > 30 second ads - (1.1Mb)
> > 1. Day In Day Out
> > 2. I'd Rather Be Dead
> > 
> > Slightly Lower Quality
> > 60 second ads - (1.1Mb)
> > 1. Insult
> > 2. Electric Mud
> > 3. Stealing
> > 4. Wrong Place, Wrong Time
> > 
> > Slightly Lower Quality
> > 30 second ads - (0.5Mb)
> > 1. Day In Day Out
> > 2. I'd Rather Be Dead
> > --
> > 
> > --------------------------------
> > http://incomplete.net
> > If it's not here, it's incomplete!
> > jland@incomplete.net
> > 
> > Guinea Pig cam available (and under
> > development) at
> > http://incomplete.net/espicam.html
> > ---------------------------------
> 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Tue Mar 28 19:49:59 2000
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Hey, the Madison (Middleton?) show on the 10th of April has has been on my
calendar for a while...any of y'all going?

-t

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [mw] Nesbitt's Lime Soda




Thought some of you would dig this:


--- "Eric H." <burnout@heathers.stdio.com> wrote:
> Subject: [Fwd: NEGATIVLAND TRUE/FALSE 2000 TOUR]
> 
> Negativland wrote:
> > 
> > NEGATIVLAND TRUE/FALSE 2000 TOUR
> > http://www.negativland.com/
> > 
> > On the eve of Negativland's 20th anniversary as a group, they embark
upon
> > their first national live tour in seven years.....
> > 
> > For up to date tour info, interviews, press, true or false rumors, etc.,
> > contact Negativland's
> > trusty tour manager, Paul McGoonis, care of his assistant, Will Linn at
> > will@blasthaus.com
> > 
> > Tour dates and radio spot links are at the end of this
> > announcement.
> > 
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-
> > NEGATIVLAND TRUE/FALSE 2000 TOUR
> > http://www.negativland.com/tour
> > 
> > Negativland is about to call it quits. One member is now in
> > federal prison for hacking into classified DieCorp think tank
> > documents. Another has become a Native American casino
> > consultant in the Southwest and wants nothing more to do with "low
> > paying alternative music." The band's drummer recently gave up
> > sticks and skins for a more lucrative life of insider day trading. The
> > Weatherman now installs customer satisfaction monitoring
> > equipment full-time for Global Cable, Inc. and has no further desire
> > to "create" anything. Crosley Bendix, the group's longtime senior
> > mentor and cultural advisor, has left the United States for good to
> > spend his twilight years at a mechanical drawing table interpreting
> > crop circle formations for MI5 in England. His final words on these
> > shores were, "music is basically dead. I'm not going to waste any
> > more time on it." It looks like the slow, agonizing demise of
> > Negativland has finally reached fruition after so many years of
> > trying.
> > 
> > TRUE or FALSE?
> > 
> > Well, like everything else you have to read these days, it's difficult
to
> > tell. There may be some grains of truth in the above "information,"
> > but where exactly are those grains located? (Answer available only
> > from Negativland's currently-out-of-business address.) The only
> > truth you can be sure of is that nothing characterizes our
> > over-informationalized society more than our collective inability to
> > personally verify anything. And the spinning just keeps spinning
> > faster.
> > 
> > As so called "culture jammers", the group known as Negativland has
> > for many years held a mirror up to the media world, broken it, and
> > shuffled the pieces back into very different shapes. So it is fitting
> > that, perhaps for the last time (believe it or not), Negativland now
> > returns to the highways of America with a live performance about
> > modern info-life and its many confusions.
> > 
> > Negativland's 20th Anniversary TRUE/FALSE tour (and first
> > nationwide tour in seven years) celebrates the group's first two
> > decades of musical observations and sticky lawsuits with a
> > millennial concert lasting over two and a half hours, including a great
> > deal of never-before-heard material, as well as a few reworked
> > "tunes" from their twenty years of recordings. Rounding out this
> > over-stimulating evening of entertainment is an elaborately collaged
> > brew of film, video and slides, an actual puppet show appropriate for
> > all ages, and the first national appearance of longtime Negativland
> > collaborator, Pastor Dick.
> > 
> > Expect to remain seated for maximum absorption during this long,
> > densely- packed performance, designed to help you to discern
> > TRUE from FALSE.
> > 
> > NEGATIVLAND TRUE/FALSE TOUR DATES
> > 
> >         Fri. Apr 07 '00 --- Lincoln, Nebraska --- Royal Grove
> >         Sat. Apr 08 '00 --- Minneapolis --- First Avenue
> >         Mon. Apr 10 '00 --- Middleton, WI --- The Annex
> >         Tue. Apr 11 '00 --- Chicago --- House Of Blues
> >         Wed. Apr 12 '00 ----Evanston --- "O.T.E. Mobile", WNUR FM
(tentative)
> >         Thu. Apr 13 '00 ----Pontiac --- Clutch Cargo
> >         Fri. Apr 14 '00 --- Toronto --- Opera House
> >         Sat. Apr 15 '00 --- Cleveland --- Agora
> >         Sun. Apr 16 '00 --- Pittsburgh --- Club Laga
> >         Tue. Apr 18 '00 --- Philadelphia --- TBA
> > 
> > This next part of the tour dates is not 100% solid yet, but will be
> > starting on the 3rd of May.
> > 
> >         Wed. May 03 '00 --- NYC --- Irving Plaza
> >         Thu. May 04 '00 --- Washington DC --- 9:30 Club
> >         Fri. May 05 '00 --- Poughkeepsie, NY --- Bard College
> >         Sat. May 06 '00 --- Boston --- Copley Theater
> >         Mon. May 08 '00 --- Chapel Hill, NC --- Carrboro Arts Center
> >         May '00 --- Columbia SC --- TBA
> >         Wed. May 10 '00 --- Atlanta --- Variety
> >         Fri. May 12 '00 --- Tampa --- Club More
> >         May '00 --- Pensacola --- Sluggos
> >         Sun. May 14 '00 --- New Orleans --- Howlin' Wolf
> >         Mon. May 15 '00 --- Houston --- TBA
> >         Tue. May 16 '00 --- Austin --- Stubb's BBQ
> >         May '00 --- Dallas --- TBA
> >         May '00 --- Tulsa --- TBA
> >         Sat. May 20 '00 --- Denver --- Bluebird
> >         May '00 --- New Mexico --- TBA
> >         May '00 --- Tucson --- TBA
> >         May '00 --- San Diego --- TBA
> >         Thu. May 25 '00 --- Los Angeles --- El Rey
> >         Sat. May 27 '00 --- San Francisco --- Palace of Fine Arts
> >         May '00 --- Palo Alto --- TBA
> > 
> > Also at http://www.negativland.com/tour/index.html :
> > 
> > TRUE/FALSE TOUR PHOTOS
> > 
> >   Hi-rez TRUE/FALSE Tour Photo - Color
> >   Hi-rez TRUE/FALSE  Tour Photo - B&W
> > 
> > TRUE/FALSE RADIO SPOTS
> > 
> > These radio ads are for both radio types and fans alike. They are
> > mp3s encoded at the highest quality (320 kbps), and a lower quality
> > for those who connect to the net with 2 tin cans and a taught string
> > (or a 28.8 modem). There are 10-15 seconds of a background
> > sound bed at the end so the venue and time can be announced with
> > out all that noise.
> > 
> > Hold down your option (Mac users) or your alt (PC users) button
> > down while clicking the link if the file isn't downloading.
> > 
> > Highest Quality
> > 60 second ads - (2.3Mb)
> > 1. Insult
> > 2. Electric Mud
> > 3. Stealing
> > 4. Wrong Place, Wrong Time
> > 
> > Highest Quality
> > 30 second ads - (1.1Mb)
> > 1. Day In Day Out
> > 2. I'd Rather Be Dead
> > 
> > Slightly Lower Quality
> > 60 second ads - (1.1Mb)
> > 1. Insult
> > 2. Electric Mud
> > 3. Stealing
> > 4. Wrong Place, Wrong Time
> > 
> > Slightly Lower Quality
> > 30 second ads - (0.5Mb)
> > 1. Day In Day Out
> > 2. I'd Rather Be Dead
> > --
> > 
> > --------------------------------
> > http://incomplete.net
> > If it's not here, it's incomplete!
> > jland@incomplete.net
> > 
> > Guinea Pig cam available (and under
> > development) at
> > http://incomplete.net/espicam.html
> > ---------------------------------
> 
> -- 
> Parts of this message, including the email address, © 2000-Eric Haddix. 
> Use implies agreement to the terms and conditions made available on my 
> homepage. Keep the Internet free, refuse to support the providers that
> copyright YOUR email and messages. All rights reserved. U.C.C. 1-207
> 
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COCOTs are lame- I'm going to go social engineer the Taco Bell in the food
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V   E   R   T   I   G   O

Milwaukee's only club entirely
dedicated to electronic music.

-<- SNEAK PREVIEW THIS WEEKEND ! ->-

Friday, March 31st
DJ Deelishus - House, Jungle, Techno
Plus special guest(s)

Saturday, March 31st
DJ Synergy - House
Plus special guest(s)

----------------------------------------------

Regular DJ schedule begins
Wednesday, April 5th:

Wednesdays - Drum & Bass
Resident DJ Kid Entropy from Chicago

Thursdays - Progressive, Trance & Techno
Resident DJ Matt Michaels from Chicago

Fridays - Guest DJs from around the world
Resident DJ Deelishus - House, Jungle & Techno

Saturdays - House 
Resident DJ Synergy plus Special Guest

Sundays - Industrial with WMSE DJ Chad Roberts
and a rotating selection of guest DJs

WATCH FOR OUR GRAND OPENING
CELEBRATION LATER IN APRIL !

Vertigo is located at
6330 W. Greenfield Ave.

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> COCOTs are lame- I'm going to go social engineer the Taco Bell in the food
> court.  Have fun with your red box.

Fuck buying a $25 radio shack tone dialer (Or a $15 one if you're a
cheap ass and don't wanna make quarter tones) and soldering in a new
crystal, just play the tones on your computer and record 'em onto a
decent sounding tape or a minidisc.  Plus a tape player looks a lot less
suspicious than a modified tone dialer if you're stupid enough to get
caught.  Hell you could even take the tape and smash it if you're about
to get caught.

FREE KEVIN!  (Don't worry, I'm aware they already released him)

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On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:03:23 -0600, Nicholas Christ wrote:

>Fuck buying a $25 radio shack tone dialer (Or a $15 one if you're a
>cheap ass and don't wanna make quarter tones) and soldering in a new
>crystal, just play the tones on your computer and record 'em onto a
>decent sounding tape or a minidisc.  Plus a tape player looks a lot less
>suspicious than a modified tone dialer if you're stupid enough to get
>caught.  Hell you could even take the tape and smash it if you're about
>to get caught.
>


I used to use the little memo recorders.
They had them at Walgreens for $7.99

I had a tone generation program called
"Boxtone".  Play the tones, record them

Free phone calls !

Before that, it was the Hallmark
recordable greeting cards taken
apart and reassembled in a plastic
box with a push button to trigger 
the tones.

The Minidisc idea is a good one.
I have a portable Minidisc player.

Do Redboxes still work ?
(in Wisconsin/Chicago specifically)

	Joe



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>I had a tone generation program called
>"Boxtone".  Play the tones, record them

i had a program... don't remember what it was called... but when I upgraded
from my 386sx to my 486, that old dos program suddenly played the red box
tones waay too fast.  must've been the blazing power of the 486.

The funniest part was, we never had anyone to call in other area codes...
so we would go to payphones and just dial our friends' numbers with
different area codes and then fuck with the people that answered.

chris

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where's the hardcore?


muah!

<< What list?
 
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Nicholas Christ wrote:
> Fuck buying a $25 radio shack tone dialer (Or a $15 one if you're a
> cheap ass and don't wanna make quarter tones) and soldering in a new
> crystal, just play the tones on your computer and record 'em onto a
> decent sounding tape or a minidisc.

Yea, but how much cooler was it to hit 5* for a quarter than having to
fast forward your little mini-cassette?

I, of course, did buy a cheap-ass digital memo recorder eventually since
they were cheap as hell and about the size of a pack of gum.

And- to answer the person asking about red boxing.  It works almost
nowhere in the US any more...  Unless you're in really small towns with
old phones you're not going to have much luck...  But there are still
phones that you can do it on- hell, you can still blue box in parts of the
world.

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--atomly wrote--
[>And- to answer the person asking about red boxing.  It works almost
[>nowhere in the US any more...  Unless you're in really small towns with
[>old phones you're not going to have much luck...  But there are still
[>phones that you can do it on- hell, you can still blue box in parts of the
[>world.

there is one way to get away with it... if you dial the operator and
tell them something like the 3 button doesn't work or something like
that--and as a result you can't dial your number--ask them to dial it
for you, and then they ask you to put in the change, and it works...

well, it did like 1 or 2 years ago, but i'm pretty sure this scheme is
still valid.  i've only been denied once or twice when trying this..
and all that ever came of it was a "nice try, <click>" from the
operator... apparently, this scheme eliminates the problem with the
muted handset and other ways they've secured the phones against it
since the 'olde days'

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d'oh.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
I just saw a report on channel 7 featuring the murder victims mother.
A couple noteworthy quotes from her:  "We need to stop the violence,
and to do it we need to get President Reagan in on this." and  "We
need to stop raves now."  At which point the news person talked about
how the police have vowed to stop raves before they claim any more
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President Reagan?

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>A couple noteworthy quotes from her:  "We need to stop the violence,
>and to do it we need to get President Reagan in on this."

Not to be crude...but I don't think Reagan realizes what a gun is anymore,
let alone be able to comprehend this situation.  Last I heard on the news
his Alzheimers has gotten *much* worse.

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--atomly wrote--
[>President Reagan?

yeah--he got re-elected a couple of months ago.  get with the program,
atomly!  sheesh!


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> FREE KEVIN!  (Don't worry, I'm aware they already released him)
>
> --
> -Nicholas Christ

Hmm... so now that Kevin is free what are all the k-r4d
31337 skript k1dd13 hax0rz gonna put on all the defaced
web pages now?



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>hey there everyone.
>this is my first post and i am (somewhat) new to madison and looking for
cool kiddies to hang with.
>
>can someone let me know if this list works and give a shout out to me?
>
>meow meow xox
>
>ps.  anybody like goa out here?
>


Goa :) I like goa :) goa is good... check out mw-trance@egroups.com if your
into the whole mailing list thing, there are several goa heads on that list
(a few from wisconsin).

If your really into huge amounts of email (much off topic and trite) but
somewhat related to goa trance (on a global level) try the 604 list.  (6=G
0=O 4=A)... goa@party.net  The goa mailing list makes mw-raves look low
traffic and tame.

If your willing to travel, April 21st in Pittsburgh (yeah thats a far drive
from Madison, but I'm pretty sure there is a group of kids trekking out for
this party)  there is Soma with Astral Projection performing live.  If you
want more info on it email me back :)



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The White Buffalo of Native American Legend has
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http://www.aristotle.net/~bhuie/code99.htm

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 29 03:58:37 2000
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At 10:51 PM 3/28/00 EST, you wrote:
>http://www.aristotle.net/~bhuie/code99.htm

hi stevie.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 29 04:38:04 2000
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>>hey there everyone.
>>this is my first post and i am (somewhat) new to madison and looking for
>>cool kiddies to hang with.
>>
>>can someone let me know if this list works and give a shout out to me?
>>
>>meow meow xox
>>
>>ps.  anybody like goa out here?

Hey... I'm Kevin... I moved to Madison from Milwaukee
two years ago.  Where are you from?

I'd love to meet you... I live right on State St so I'm not
hard to find... Or if you're going to LSD (Lucy...) in a
couple weekends here in Madison, I'll be there.  Let me
know.

I don't know how much you know about psytrance, but
here's some notes about the goa scene around here for
anyone interested:

{{{{
In general, no, nobody likes goa out here.  Psytrance
is quite possibly the least popular genre of electronic
music in the midwest.  Moreover, trance (in general)
and happy hardcore are the butts of pretty much
everybody's jokes (but it's all in good fun).  Happycore
at least gets played out around here--psytrance is
a rare breed.  And DJ shops shy away from goa labels.
So as goaheads we can just consider ourselves that
much more underground than all those conformists :)

There's two *superb* goa trance DJs in Wisconsin:
DJ Storm/Glen and Scott Collins, both from Milwaukee,
but they don't typically play out around here (Glen plays
out just about everywhere else though--e.g. in the next few
weeks I think he's spinning in both LA and British Columbia).
People who are into psytrance tend to travel quite a bit
anyway: it's probably the most "international" genre there
is... The largest scenes are in Goa India (duh), Thailand,
South Africa, Israel, all over Europe (esp. UK, Sweden,
Germany, Hungary, Portugal, Ibiza), and (in the USA) San
Fransisco, New York City, and Pittsburgh--the hardcore
fans travel to festivals in many of these locations... (Hence
the stereotype of a goahead being a rich white nerd-or-
hippie male in his late twenties isn't *completely* off the
mark; travelling takes cash, any way you cut it...)

The psytrance scene in San Fran, for instance, is totally
separate from the general rave scene there.  Hardcore
goaheads wouldn't be caught dead at a rave, and ravers
tend to avoid goa parties: completely different crowds.
Similarly, in the midwest, goa tends not to get billed at
raves, but we nevertheless have a small, intimate indy
scene developing, which basically revolves around about
twenty people.  It's quite nice.  :)

Like Tad mentioned, Pittsburgh is the closest place that has
a noteworthy above-ground goa scene.  This is because back
in September a promoter Dan a.k.a. Sidetrakkt started
throwing parties with all-psytrance lineups.  And damn good
parties.  I was there for the first two big parties Dan threw,
and I plan to continue making the 12 hour trip from Madison
to Pittsburgh for every subsequent Sidetrakkt party (like
Tad mentioned, there's Soma on April 21st and in June Kox-
box is coming out--Hallucinogen came out in February and
tore the place to shreds).  We have a caravan of midwest-
trancers which starts in Madison/Milwaukee and accumulates
people as we travel eastward.  Also on April 21st, as an
alternative, I believe there's an excellent progressive/hard
trance/trancecore party here in Madison--Stayin up all Night.
And just to correct Tad, it's "midwest-trance@egroups.com"
not "mw-trance."
}}}}

I also enjoy Weezer.

Kevin
kevinryan@students.wisc.edu
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Kevin M. Ryan wrote:

> I also enjoy Weezer.

SLAPHANDS!!!



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On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, jaimmie wrote:

> jes...aww. i love you. 
> even if your tits are better than mine. gives me something to work towards=) 

no way!
i could never earn a tshirt the way you did, you give *me* something to
aspire to!
(.)(.)

/j



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In a message dated 3/28/00 10:51:11 PM Central Standard Time, jes@pubnix.org 
writes:

<< 
 On Mon, 27 Mar 2000, jaimmie wrote:
 
 > jes...aww. i love you. 
 > even if your tits are better than mine. gives me something to work 
towards=) 
 
 no way!
 i could never earn a tshirt the way you did, you give *me* something to
 aspire to!
 (.)(.)
 
 /j
  >>

goddamn guys.. tha's pretty raunch.  everyone knows my tits are the 
best..especially when they are adorned with the asian beast thong!


(evil grin)
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On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 Lincoln001@aol.com wrote:

> goddamn guys.. tha's pretty raunch.  everyone knows my tits are the 
> best..especially when they are adorned with the asian beast thong!

w00000000!!!
i knew zebra print would be your colour ;P

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are all the lamers gone now.....      ?


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no...you are still here. =) heehee.

just kiddin*
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thanks lauryn
you make me feel so alive


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> no...you are still here. =) heehee.
> 
> just kiddin*
> lauryn
> 
> lauryn goller 
> djema membership coordinator
> lore productions
> teknoho@konfused.net  -  lgoller@indiana.edu
> 
> "at exactly what point did you realize that life without knowledge is
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org
> [mailto:mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.org]On Behalf Of Ignatius J. Reilly
>
> Ronald Reagan got shot over Jody Foster.
>
> The 80's...

By DJ Funk?

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--- "mike @ full spectrum" <djgruve@home.net> wrote:
> are all the lamers gone now.....      ?


NO im a lamer and im not gone.  YOU'LL NEVER GET RID
OF ME!!! IM SO LAME!  LAME LAME LAME im the kid that
rolls and sits in front of the speakers and doesnt
move cause im soo fcked up, im the guy who says i know
ritchie hawtin and surgeon and any and everyone who is
somebody just to get attention.  IM SOOO LAME!!

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See what happens when you make a family of ravers in the sims... They seem
to get along with everyone... But when you are sitting there playing,
MW-Raves and other mailing lists are piling up in your inbox, then you have
to check them from work, and almost get fired over the deal...
THE SIMS IS EVIL!!!!!
Mark my words, this game will be banned before long...

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Free Jamal, maybe?

--- Adam Ierymenko <api@relaymail.net> wrote:
> > FREE KEVIN!  (Don't worry, I'm aware they already
> released him)
> >
> > --
> > -Nicholas Christ
> 
> Hmm... so now that Kevin is free what are all the
> k-r4d
> 31337 skript k1dd13 hax0rz gonna put on all the
> defaced
> web pages now?
> 
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Scott Collins is my god...email him at
dblindarm@aol.com and ask for a demo tape!

--- "Kevin M. Ryan" <kevinryan@students.wisc.edu>
wrote:
> >>hey there everyone.
> >>this is my first post and i am (somewhat) new to
> madison and looking for
> >>cool kiddies to hang with.
> >>
> >>can someone let me know if this list works and
> give a shout out to me?
> >>
> >>meow meow xox
> >>
> >>ps.  anybody like goa out here?
> 
> Hey... I'm Kevin... I moved to Madison from
> Milwaukee
> two years ago.  Where are you from?
> 
> I'd love to meet you... I live right on State St so
> I'm not
> hard to find... Or if you're going to LSD (Lucy...)
> in a
> couple weekends here in Madison, I'll be there.  Let
> me
> know.
> 
> I don't know how much you know about psytrance, but
> here's some notes about the goa scene around here
> for
> anyone interested:
> 
> {{{{
> In general, no, nobody likes goa out here. 
> Psytrance
> is quite possibly the least popular genre of
> electronic
> music in the midwest.  Moreover, trance (in general)
> and happy hardcore are the butts of pretty much
> everybody's jokes (but it's all in good fun). 
> Happycore
> at least gets played out around here--psytrance is
> a rare breed.  And DJ shops shy away from goa
> labels.
> So as goaheads we can just consider ourselves that
> much more underground than all those conformists :)
> 
> There's two *superb* goa trance DJs in Wisconsin:
> DJ Storm/Glen and Scott Collins, both from
> Milwaukee,
> but they don't typically play out around here (Glen
> plays
> out just about everywhere else though--e.g. in the
> next few
> weeks I think he's spinning in both LA and British
> Columbia).
> People who are into psytrance tend to travel quite a
> bit
> anyway: it's probably the most "international" genre
> there
> is... The largest scenes are in Goa India (duh),
> Thailand,
> South Africa, Israel, all over Europe (esp. UK,
> Sweden,
> Germany, Hungary, Portugal, Ibiza), and (in the USA)
> San
> Fransisco, New York City, and Pittsburgh--the
> hardcore
> fans travel to festivals in many of these
> locations... (Hence
> the stereotype of a goahead being a rich white
> nerd-or-
> hippie male in his late twenties isn't *completely*
> off the
> mark; travelling takes cash, any way you cut it...)
> 
> The psytrance scene in San Fran, for instance, is
> totally
> separate from the general rave scene there. 
> Hardcore
> goaheads wouldn't be caught dead at a rave, and
> ravers
> tend to avoid goa parties: completely different
> crowds.
> Similarly, in the midwest, goa tends not to get
> billed at
> raves, but we nevertheless have a small, intimate
> indy
> scene developing, which basically revolves around
> about
> twenty people.  It's quite nice.  :)
> 
> Like Tad mentioned, Pittsburgh is the closest place
> that has
> a noteworthy above-ground goa scene.  This is
> because back
> in September a promoter Dan a.k.a. Sidetrakkt
> started
> throwing parties with all-psytrance lineups.  And
> damn good
> parties.  I was there for the first two big parties
> Dan threw,
> and I plan to continue making the 12 hour trip from
> Madison
> to Pittsburgh for every subsequent Sidetrakkt party
> (like
> Tad mentioned, there's Soma on April 21st and in
> June Kox-
> box is coming out--Hallucinogen came out in February
> and
> tore the place to shreds).  We have a caravan of
> midwest-
> trancers which starts in Madison/Milwaukee and
> accumulates
> people as we travel eastward.  Also on April 21st,
> as an
> alternative, I believe there's an excellent
> progressive/hard
> trance/trancecore party here in Madison--Stayin up
> all Night.
> And just to correct Tad, it's
> "midwest-trance@egroups.com"
> not "mw-trance."
> }}}}
> 
> I also enjoy Weezer.
> 
> Kevin
> kevinryan@students.wisc.edu
> http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~kevinryan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hello all! My name is Phil and I'm now suscribed to mw-raves. I've never 
been to a rave, but I've heard alot about them. Are they fun? I like 
electronica and I really dig the Chemical Brothers. 

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I also dig the checmical brothers a great deal, and underworld too

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Hello all! My name is Phil and I'm now suscribed to mw-raves. I've never 
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> Hello all,
>    Well we at Lil' Diva Productions are excited to be starting up what
> will be a great series of small, but fun club nights! To kick off these
> parties we are bringing you a 100% all jungle/D-n-B party! So all you
> "Bass Heads" come to a night phat ass music! Note:There is also a rumor
> that some of the DJ's and thier friends are going to get into the whole
> Jungle theme and sport the Camoflage threads, so if you want to join the
> fun come dressed ready for action(there is no diference in price of
> entrance!)
>                         PROJECT: JUNGLE WARFARE
> March 31st @ The Electronic Groove Box-Nashville,TN- $11- 10PM-6AM
> 18 & up- 21 to drink(ID required) Info:Lil' Diva(615)400-3815 Groove Box
> (615)201-2423!
> ROOM 1                          ROOM 2
> 10pm-12am   B-PLUS & MENACE     10pm-12am  Havok
> 12am-1:30am BLONDIE ETCETERA    12am-2am   LARY BREAKS
> 1:30am-3am  BOBBLE              2am-3am    MISS K
> 3am-4:30am  GRAHAM              3am-4:30am FLIP C
> 4:30am-6am  DORIAN              4:30am-6am MK2
> DIRECTIONS: From all points North, East, & West come into Nashville and
> get on I65 South. Take exit 89(Wedgewood Ave.) Turn right. Turn left at
> first traffic light! The club is approx. 1 mile on the right next to
> Captain D's. From the South take I65 North. Get off at exit 89(Wedgewood
> Ave.) Turn left. At traffic light turn left. The club is approx. 1 mile
> on the right next to Captain D's!
>
> Also soon to be coming "Divas of the Dance Floor 2" & "Supafly 2000"
> Thanx,
> Jayson
> Lil' Diva Productions


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> Hello everyone,
>        Well here is th 2nd of our Lil' Diva events we have planned for
> you! The 2nd installment of our all girl dj line-up, Divas of the
> Dance Floor 2! Last years Diva party was amazing! The best vibe I have
> ever seen at a party! The girls had a blast and the crowd was loving
> it(and our headliner cancelled & everyone still had a blast!) Well,
> this year our headliner and line-up are 100% confirmed! So I can't
> wait to see you at a LIL' DIVA PRODUCTIONS EVENT
>                      DIVAS OF THE DANCE FLOOR 2!
>                 CHARLOTTE THE BARONESS(SAN FRANCISCO)
> SOUNDCAT(CINCINNATTI)              LITTLE JEN(ATLANTA)
> NICOLE(ATLANTA)                           EVE(ATLANTA)
> GIANNA(NASHVILLE)                        AISLYNN(NASHVILLE)
> RENEEFRENCH(NASHVILLE)             JENNY(NASHVILLE)
> JESSICA(NASVILLE/CINCY)
> @ THE ELECTRONIC GROOVE BOX IN nASHVILLE, TN ON APRIL 28th, 2000!
> DOORS OPEN AT 10PM!
> 18&OVER/21 TO DRINK(ID'S REQUIRED!) INFO LINES (615)400-3815(LIL'
> DIVA)/(615)201-2423
> (GROOVE BOX!)    $13
> DIRECTIONS FROM ALL POINTS NORTH, EAST, & WEST COME INTO NASHVILLE AND
> GET ON I65 SOUTH.
> GET OFF AT  EXIT 89(WEDGEWOOD AVE.)TURN RIGHT! AT TRAFFIC LIGHT TURN
> LEFT! THE CLUB IS ON THE RIGHT APPROX. 1 MILE NEXT TO CAPTAIN D'S.
> FROM THE SOUTH TAKE I65 NORTH. GET OFF AT EXIT 89(WEDGEWOOD AVE) TURN
> LEFT. AT TRAFFIC LIGHT TURN LEFT. THE CLUB IS ON THE RIGHT APPROX. 1
> MILE NEXT TO CAPTAIN D'S!
>
> I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE EVRYONE THERE! IT IS GOING TO BE A BLAST! ALSO
> DON'T FORGET ABOUT JUNGLE WARFARE MARCH 31ST AND LOOK OUT FOR THE
> LINE-UP FOR SUPAFLY 2000(MAY!)
> JAYSON
> LIL' DIVA PRODUCTIONS


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> What's up!
>     Ok so the line up is set and we at Lil' Diva Productions is proud to
> present our 2 yr. anniversary party:
>                               SUPAFLY 2000
>                       GAVIN HARDKISS-San Francisco
> J-LUV-Atlanta                          LITTLE
> JEN-Atlanta                                    BRAD ROBINSON-San
> Francisco        SATOSHI-Knoxville
> JOLBY-Nashville
> SPOON-Nashville
> AISLYNN-Nashville                   DIZ
> EYEN-Nashville                                        MARV C-Nashville

> 10pm-6am/ $16/ @ The Electronic Groove Box/ Nashville, TN/ May 12th
> 2000/
> 18 & up/ ID is Required to get in/ 21& up to drink/ Lil' Diva
> info(615)400-3815/
> Groove Box info(615)201-2423
> DIRECTIONS from all points North, East and West: Come into Nashville and
> get onto I-65 South. Get off at Wedgewood exit(exit 89) Turn right off
> exit At first traffic light turn left. The Club is Approx. 1 mile on the
> right next to Captain D's.
> Form the South take I-65 to Nashville. Get off at the Wedgewood
> Exit(exit89.) Take a left off the exit. At first traffic light turn
> left. The club is approx. 1 mile on the right next to Captain D's.
>
> Well it is going to be a great night 2 years in the scene and proud of
> that fact! We Can't wait to see ya there! Don't forget March 31st
> Project Jungle Warfare, and Divas of the Dance Floor 2 on April 28th!
> Thanx for all your support,
> Jayson
> Lil' Diva Productions


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Y'all might have missed this whilst unsubscribed.

Look, it's an all wisconisin lineup.

-----------

DESTRUCTION THREE
814 W. Clark St.
Urbana, IL 61801
$2
May 6th 8PM

BYOB

Live Acts:

Htek           Madison       hard acid
Stunt Rock     Milwaukee     stunt stuff
White Rabbits  Champaign     gabber/idm/noisybreaks
Matt Demmon    Urbana        minimal noise
Atomly         Minneapolis   laptop rock

DJs:

Anonymous      Madison       hardcore/jungle
FiZ            Boston        drunk as fuck
Brad Kraft     Minneapolis   hard experimental
Asscore 2000   Everywhere    booty haus
Dica + ChrisE  The North     groundbreaking musics
Uncle Ro Ro    Urbana        polka
&
DJ CorpseGrinder feat. MC BloodSpillah on the clubmixed speedcore

Directions:

Drive towards Champaign-Urbana. It's in mid-east Illinois. Ok, now you're
in town. If you are on 74 or 72, exit on to 57 east. Take the Lincoln exit
south. Turn left on Clark St, which is one block after a large street
called University. 814 is the second house on the left. Park in the
driveway, on the street. Whatever. 

more info
The Sunshine Ministry
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> Directions:
> 
> Drive towards Champaign-Urbana. It's in mid-east Illinois. Ok, now you're
> in town. If you are on 74 or 72, exit on to 57 east. Take the Lincoln exit
> south. Turn left on Clark St, which is one block after a large street
> called University. 814 is the second house on the left. Park in the
> driveway, on the street. Whatever. 


you should all come.
but matt.. these directions are fucked!
mostly the part about 72/74 and 57.
improve and post again.

i expect to see the entire destruction massif there!

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Ooh look at all the live acts!

What do you make minimal noise with? Household appliances?

Sounds like fun. 

(plotting)

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Wow, I'm a total idiot. Um, that should be if you are on 57 or 72 exit on
74 east.

Hey, I don't have a car.

On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, jen palmer wrote:

> > Directions:
> > 
> > Drive towards Champaign-Urbana. It's in mid-east Illinois. Ok, now you're
> > in town. If you are on 74 or 72, exit on to 57 east. Take the Lincoln exit
> > south. Turn left on Clark St, which is one block after a large street
> > called University. 814 is the second house on the left. Park in the
> > driveway, on the street. Whatever. 
> 
> 
> you should all come.
> but matt.. these directions are fucked!
> mostly the part about 72/74 and 57.
> improve and post again.
> 
> i expect to see the entire destruction massif there!
> 
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It's like minimal techno but with noises. I bet that doesn't make sense,
but that's allright, because it's all in my head. I haven't actually ever
done it before. It's a new direction for me.

Matt

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> What do you make minimal noise with? Household appliances?
> 
> Sounds like fun. 
> 
> (plotting)
> 
> -ted
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>Scott Collins is my god...email him at
>dblindarm@aol.com and ask for a demo tape!

Your god?  Isn't that status supposed to be reserved
for Richie Hawtin?

Yah hey... Scott's tape is truly "da bombshell"...
at least if you dig evil-ass banging psytrance.

Cedarburg reprazent, yo.  I remember Scott spinning
at the "Haunted High School" or whatever 4 years ago...
Adam Mites gets in a fight and knocks over the table,
breaking both of Scott's turntables... Ah, those were
the days...

And now look at him... Do you wanna know what?  That
fuckhead stole Dan Doormouse last weekend!  Doormouse
was billed in Madison on Saturday but he went to Scott's
and Ben's house party instead.  Go figure. :)

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No, no.. I get the "minimal techno noise" (see also: endpoint, porter ricks, oval) concept.. I
wanted to know what you're making the minimal techno noises *with*..


It's a nerd thing,

        -ted

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Hi all!  

I order an Encore Electronics Knobby a few weeks ago
and it arrived from the factory yesterday, but since I
have just finished liquidating my studio I no longer
have any use for it.  

It's in mint condition, of course having just come
direct from Encore. I only opened the factory sealed
box to remove my credit card number from the reciept. 
$175 + $15 shipping

Prepay only. Will ship to lower 48 states only.

Thanks,
Will Adams
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> > In general, no, nobody likes goa out here.
> > Psytrance
> > is quite possibly the least popular genre of
> > electronic
> > music in the midwest.  Moreover, trance (in general)
> > and happy hardcore are the butts of pretty much
> > everybody's jokes (but it's all in good fun).
> > Happycore
> > at least gets played out around here--psytrance is
> > a rare breed.

im curious as to why this is?

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Wed Mar 29 23:20:24 2000
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i'm not sure if furthur is even happening this year, but would anyone be
interested in helping put together a mw-raves theme camp this year?

let's discuss the possibilities.

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>Free Jamal, maybe?

when did malcolm jamal-warner get put in jail?

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>let's discuss the possibilities.

I say we string up StevieT by his toes and smack his ass like a pinata.

But then again I won't be there, so what do I care? :P

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he might get aroused by that

how bout we string up ghetto giriie tekk and throw darts at her on the
merry-go-round.   then start the thing on fire

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> >let's discuss the possibilities.
>
> I say we string up StevieT by his toes and smack his ass like a pinata.
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    Hell yeah! mw-nerds on parade! We'll have to make ourselves a bit more
visible this time, a flag is definitely in order, last two furthers I didn't
find the mw-raves camp till like the last day...

        -- Matt Murphy --

> i'm not sure if furthur is even happening this year, but would anyone be
> interested in helping put together a mw-raves theme camp this year?
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> let's discuss the possibilities.



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In a message dated 29/03/00 6:42:15 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
djgruve@home.net writes:

<< how bout we string up ghetto giriie tekk and throw darts at her on the
 merry-go-round.   then start the thing on fire
  >>


goddamn, my panties are allready wet... 
at least gimme good techno to listen to while this happens..
ill be in heaven

=P
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> Hello all! My name is Phil and I'm now suscribed to mw-raves. I've never
> been to a rave, but I've heard alot about them. Are they fun?

Depends, do you like hanging out with a bunch of 15 year olds all hopped
up on goof balls and pep pills while dressed like preschoolers?

> I like
> electronica and I really dig the Chemical Brothers.

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On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Matt Murphy wrote:

+
+    Hell yeah! mw-nerds on parade! We'll have to make ourselves a bit more
+visible this time, a flag is definitely in order, last two furthers I didn't
+find the mw-raves camp till like the last day...

i guess what i had in mind was something that was not very obvious.
something that does the same thing mw-raves does, but in theme camp form.

if we do it right, it will be hard for us to miss, will add something to
the experience, and will bring interesting people together... but i
most definitely do not want it to be some sort of advertisement.

no one besides us really even needs to know it has anything to do with
mw-raves.

this is something i've wanted to do for awhile, but last year, there
wasn't enough time or interest.  this year, i'd really like to get it
done, but i need some help, ya know?

peace,
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Hello all! My name is Ryan and I'm now subscribed to mw-raves-orgies. 
I've never been to a orgy, but I have heard alot about them.  Are 
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> +    Hell yeah! mw-nerds on parade! We'll have to make ourselves a bit
more
> +visible this time, a flag is definitely in order, last two furthers I
didn't
> +find the mw-raves camp till like the last day...
>
> i guess what i had in mind was something that was not very obvious.
> something that does the same thing mw-raves does, but in theme camp form.
>
> if we do it right, it will be hard for us to miss, will add something to
> the experience, and will bring interesting people together... but i
> most definitely do not want it to be some sort of advertisement.
>
> no one besides us really even needs to know it has anything to do with
> mw-raves.

        I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying then, like
something other than an area where a bunch of us stake our tents? Are you
thinking like a sound tent or maybe a tent with a net connection? (damn
that'd be nice!) Theme camp... maybe like a big obstacle course or
something? Could you clarify what exactly you're thinking about?

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>
>         I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying then, like
>something other than an area where a bunch of us stake our tents? Are you
>thinking like a sound tent or maybe a tent with a net connection? (damn
>that'd be nice!) Theme camp... maybe like a big obstacle course or
>something? Could you clarify what exactly you're thinking about?
>
>         -- Matt Murphy --
You should have a big flaming computer as the mw-raves 
symbol......similar to what goes on here.
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this is pretty wacky.

the sort of thing that could only come from missouri.

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Wow- a mw-raves soundsystem could be quite cool...

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> Wow- a mw-raves soundsystem could be quite cool...

    Yeah it would, but exactly where we'd get the money to pay for it would
be interesting... any trustfund babies listening? Not sure what it'd run for
the tent, but a soundsytem would run about $500, and we'd also need a truck
to get it up there... (from wherever...) I'd guess $1500 to have a tent
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> > > In general, no, nobody likes goa out here.
> > > Psytrance is quite possibly the least popular genre of electronic music in the midwest.  


> im curious as to why this is?
> 
> peace-
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Well, I'd be willing to pitch in...

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:> > > In general, no, nobody likes goa out here.
:> > > Psytrance is quite possibly the least popular genre of electronic
music in the midwest.
:
:> im curious as to why this is?
:>
:> peace-
:> chad
:
:
:**i am curious too, any comments?** bree


because, in the writer's opinion, it doesn't have as much of a fan base as
other types of music. to have the people who don't particularily care for
trance elaborate, we'd have to dig up the whole "trance sucks" argument
again, which i don't think anyone really wants to see again. suffice it to
say that it really doesn't matter why it's the least popular or not. what
matters is that you like it. if so, support the dj's and the promoters who
bring them in.... and support them loudly. don't worry about the people who
don't like it...any lengthy discussion on this mailing list isn't really
going to change any opinions, especially when it comes to styles of music.
what other people don't like (unless it is hindering human rights, which has
nothing to do with this topic) really doesn't, and shouldn't, matter.

that's just my own damn opinion though.
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hmmm........

lack of exposure to psytrance?   
too many "wierd" psy fi outer space soundz?

wait..... I know....

a chronic case of House on the Brain to which there is no cure!!!!

eek!!  

On 29 Mar 2000 17:14:29 -0800 Aubree Bretsnyder <somalove@altavista.com>
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> > > > In general, no, nobody likes goa out here.
> > > > Psytrance is quite possibly the least popular genre of 
> electronic music in the midwest.  
> 
> 
> > im curious as to why this is?
> > 
> > peace-
> > chad
> 
> 
> **i am curious too, any comments?** bree

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At 06:44 AM 3/29/00 -0600, John Hoover wrote:
>
>> If your willing to travel, April 21st in Pittsburgh (yeah thats a far
>drive
>> from Madison, but I'm pretty sure there is a group of kids trekking out
>for
>> this party)  there is Soma with Astral Projection performing live.  If you
>> want more info on it email me back :)
>>
>Info craved... Please give input...
>Thanx
>John
>

Friday, April 21st, 2000
Pittsburgh Pennsylvania

Soma

Psychedelic trance:

Astral Projection Live

Djs:

Lior Perlmutter
Avi Nissim
Sequential Tom and Hi-Fi Princess  (2 goa djs on 4 tables.... hmm.. this I
gotta see).
Count Zero
Wildbill

Ambient/chill out:

Twine  Live

Djs:

Dr. Jesus
Mskw1
Dj X-ris/Vivid Liquid


Sidetrakkt productions:

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On Wed, 29 March 2000, "Pixie" wrote:

> 
> :> > > In general, no, nobody likes goa out here.
> :> > > Psytrance is quite possibly the least popular genre of electronic
> music in the midwest.
> :
> :> im curious as to why this is?
> :>
> :> peace-
> :> chad
> :
> :
> :**i am curious too, any comments?** bree
> 
> 
> because, in the writer's opinion, it doesn't have as much of a fan base as
> other types of music. to have the people who don't particularily care for
> trance elaborate, we'd have to dig up the whole "trance sucks" argument
> again, which i don't think anyone really wants to see again. suffice it to
> say that it really doesn't matter why it's the least popular or not. what
> matters is that you like it. if so, support the dj's and the promoters who
> bring them in.... and support them loudly. don't worry about the people who
> don't like it...any lengthy discussion on this mailing list isn't really
> going to change any opinions, especially when it comes to styles of music.
> what other people don't like (unless it is hindering human rights, which has
> nothing to do with this topic) really doesn't, and shouldn't, matter.
> 
> that's just my own damn opinion though.
> pixie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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    ok, so I'm considering bringing some House to Minneapolis, looking for
someone people will really like, prefferably from the MW, prefferably
something kinda funky, like not real boring house. Any suggestions?

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At 07:59 PM 3/29/00 -0600, Matt Murphy wrote:
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>    ok, so I'm considering bringing some House to Minneapolis, looking for
>someone people will really like, prefferably from the MW, prefferably
>something kinda funky, like not real boring house. Any suggestions?
>

Trevor Lamont, Feelgood(although thats eastcoast I guess).

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i asked because i loooove detail and always gotta know why (being a writer myself). :) don't care to change anyone.

but didn't realize it would start an old argument.

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At 07:59 PM 3/29/00 -0600, Matt Murphy wrote:
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>    ok, so I'm considering bringing some House to Minneapolis, looking for
>someone people will really like, prefferably from the MW, prefferably
>something kinda funky, like not real boring house. Any suggestions?


alexander east.  he's a good friend of mine, and spins just about anything,
including great house.  


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In a message dated 29/03/00 9:01:13 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
sluck@frontiernet.net writes:

<< >    ok, so I'm considering bringing some House to Minneapolis, looking for
 >someone people will really like, prefferably from the MW, prefferably
 >something kinda funky, like not real boring house. Any suggestions? >>

stacey pullen = )

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><< >    ok, so I'm considering bringing some House to Minneapolis, looking
for
> >someone people will really like, prefferably from the MW, prefferably
> >something kinda funky, like not real boring house. Any suggestions? >>


oh yeah, and you can't forget collette.  that's something truly beautiful,
if you like vocal house. 



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I'm now a house DJ. I play "house, minimal".

I'm ready for my $$ & 304's now.

/me looks around expectantly..


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 02:19:17 2000
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Make a HUGE cork bulletin board and as we pass by we
can read the posts and tack on our replies.

I'll bring my prewritten "What board?" post ;-)

Seriously, though, I'm having a hard time picturing
"the thing that mw-raves does" in physical form.  The
only thing that pops into my head is a huge sign that
says "Richie is God", "Trance sucks", and "Stay tuned
for even more Steviet bashing!"

Ah well, I guess I'm just uncreative. 

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 02:35:39 2000
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Dan X (untouchables JLP- 414-256-1715) or Mr. S (Deceptikon Unit - 
608.345.SPIN).  I don't know why, I think these guys are both great, 
but always get stuck on second stages.   They both have unique 
sounds.  IMHO
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because midwest ravers are techno snobs.  it's against
their creedo to like anything else.

--- Aubree Bretsnyder <somalove@altavista.com> wrote:
> > > > In general, no, nobody likes goa out here.
> > > > Psytrance is quite possibly the least popular
> genre of electronic music in the midwest.  
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> 
> > im curious as to why this is?
> > 
> > peace-
> > chad
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> 
> **i am curious too, any comments?** bree
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How did we get so many new subscribers in only a few days?  Is it at all
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*jumping on the bandwagon*


Mind you these are no particular order. Here goes:

1. Steve Porter - Sensor/Mindless - Fade
2. Seafield - Feel Free (ESPECIALLY the HH remix) -
Limbo
3. D & A - Telica 21 - Telica
4. Preformation - Chemical Cargo/Kuiper Belt - Niche
5. Fade - So Good - Journey
6. Photonic - Obscure - Black Ice
7. Pan - What God Thinks - White
8. The Reaver - Fever - Unknown
9. Filtrate - Beater - Rising High
10. Muse - Sunburn (ESPECIALLY Timo Maas rmxs) -
Mushroom


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>7. Pan - What God Thinks - White
   Hmm.. thats on 21-3 records (goa kinda breaky label)... 

Misha spin's goa?? will wonders never cease??  Ok.. I havnt picked much up
off of 21-3 in awhile.  Almost bought this record online.. but glen warned
me away from it saying 21-3 had gotten all pussy/soft... and now here it is
on Misha's playlists... as if by magic to corroborate glen's words.... 

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*jumping on the bandwagon*


Mind you these are no particular order. Here goes:

1. BenSims "BattleBeats 1"
2. Code Red 6
3. Code Red 1
4. Sniper Xtrax
5. Tresor Demo Tracks 1
6. Planet Rythm 7 GAAG
7. Mole People 4
8.  theadventcombinationphunk "elektra fix"
9.  USER anyhthing
10. Mills "Kat race" Kat Moda
11. Killabite 1
12. Hybrid "Steady Motion"

mostly slam fuk techno:)



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freakboy@alliedsubstructure.com writes:

> I also dig the checmical brothers a great deal, and underworld too


most definatly  =)     i also like the crystal method(mostly cause they were 
awsome when i met em a long long time ago where i did, yes i did work for 
commercail radio stations)

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prettier info is at:

front 
http://futureconsortium.com/clients/sidetrakkt/soma/main-outside.jpg 
 
back 
http://futureconsortium.com/clients/sidetrakkt/soma/main-inside.jpg 

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I'd say Mark Farina just because he's such a good DJ technically...  And
Mushroom Jazz rocked.  :)

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Elijah = Prophet to reveal signs of the End Times, also = Change
451 = 4:5 passage in Malacchi describing the coming of Elijah
         "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the
           coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he
           shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and 
           the heart of the children to their fathers, lest i come and
           smite the earth with a curse."
       = temperature paper burns = Fire

aka change the upcoming fire

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In a message dated 3/30/0 12:35:52 AM, you wrote:

<<"Star-of David" pills, and another kid with him that had 
50 more.   The kid with 600 is facing 30 years.>>

I would give him 1 month.


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On Wed, 29 March 2000, Guy Incognito wrote:

> 
> Dan X (untouchables JLP- 414-256-1715) or Mr. S (Deceptikon Unit - 
> 608.345.SPIN).  I don't know why, I think these guys are both great, 
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"Gabriel's Fire"- Luis Gabriel Aguilera
first published book officially comes out this weekend in Bookstores across
the nation
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Street books in Hyde Park-Chicago on April 6th for
those who live in the area and are interested.


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"Gabriel's Fire"- Luis Gabriel Aguilera
first published book officially comes out this weekend in Bookstores across
the nation
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Street books in Hyde Park-Chicago on April 6th for
those who live in the area and are interested.


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>Elijah = Prophet to reveal signs of the End Times, also = >Change

Hi Elijah! I am the walrus!


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>>Elijah = Prophet to reveal signs of the End Times, also = >>Change
>
>Hi Elijah! I am the walrus!

Funny, you don't look bluish to me...

ah shut it Paul, I sang the song...

ey mate, I guess that would make me the eggman!

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In a message dated 3/30/0 12:35:52 AM, you wrote:

<<"Star-of David" pills, and another kid with him that had 
50 more.   The kid with 600 is facing 30 years.>>

I would give him 1 month.

I am against legalization (the corporations would just take it
over leaving the poor with *no* means of employment), however 
i am for decriminalization....

No, I am not a drug dealer.

No, I am not an investigative reporter.

No, I am not an agent.

Although agents wish I would deal so they can shut me up for a
long time and keep people from hearing the truth that drugs are
a means of incarcerating the poor or those against the system
...thus the defamation of character campaign which they have
already started against me...and most ignorant people on this
list have already bought into...

Remember people, the government can destroy any life by 
making up lies against an individual to get them fired...then
forcing them into crime by keeping them unemployed.

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On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:01:14 -0800 (PST), William Adams wrote:

>Hi all!  
>
>I order an Encore Electronics Knobby a few weeks ago
>and it arrived from the factory yesterday, but since I
>have just finished liquidating my studio I no longer
>have any use for it.  
>


Maybe I missed something, or I just haven't
been keeping up with all the new gear...

...but what the hell is an "Encore Electronics Knobby",
and what can you do with it ?

	Joe



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I am not against the Government nor am I against Agents.

I am merely requesting change.

The poor have suffered enough.

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Any former Minneapolis crew, or old skool people remember a Minneapolis
production crew called "Thump" circa '93-'94? I was cleaning out my old
books and stuff today and came across a bunch of old rave flyers that I had
kept since back when I was a freshman in high school =D. I've just been
sitting here looking at all this shit that I'd completely forgotten about,
and it's just bizarre. Thump did a lot of parties... what the hell happened
to them?!?! I have an un-used Thump sticker... wonder if it's worth anything
;)

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 11:50:00 2000
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Anyone have any info on this?
I know chad said something about it.. but I can't member where he said he saw 
the info...

If anyone has any info on this .. or is going..   Please email me privately.
I def want to go.

claude = *drOoOol*

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 14:44:50 2000
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Subject: [mw] why am I back?
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i am back. why? i dunno.

okay, evryone post more useless crap please...

oh, and anyone out there have pics of lil further and such?

danke...

bom shankar!
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 14:45:55 2000
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Nobody cares about how you came up with your latest aol handle, steviet.

And no matter how much new age prophecy bible code bullshit you can
regurgitate for us, you still remain Steve Tsang, lowly mortal with very
few special powers and almost zero special purpose.  Sorry to have to break
the reality of it to you.

-CJ

Elijah451@aol.com wrote:

>>Elijah = Prophet to reveal signs of the End Times, also = Change
>>451 = 4:5 passage in Malacchi describing the coming of Elijah
>>         "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the
>>           coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he
>>           shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and
>>           the heart of the children to their fathers, lest i come and
>>           smite the earth with a curse."
>>       = temperature paper burns = Fire
>> aka change the upcoming fire

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 14:50:06 2000
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ha, special purpose...

http://pazuzu.simplenet.com/sounds/jerk.htm

-t

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very
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 15:20:47 2000
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The Knobby is a midi knob box.  It can send midi cc's,
sysex, RPN's and NRPN's AND it's fully programmable
from a PC.

Get the full scoop at:
http://www.encoreelectronics.com

--Will

--- Dynamic Groove <events@dynamicgroove.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:01:14 -0800 (PST), William
> Adams wrote:
> 
> >Hi all!  
> >
> >I order an Encore Electronics Knobby a few weeks
> ago
> >and it arrived from the factory yesterday, but
> since I
> >have just finished liquidating my studio I no
> longer
> >have any use for it.  
> >
> 
> 
> Maybe I missed something, or I just haven't
> been keeping up with all the new gear...
> 
> ...but what the hell is an "Encore Electronics
> Knobby",
> and what can you do with it ?
> 
> 	Joe
> 
> 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 15:35:46 2000
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I always find it amusing when someone turns to this mailing list for references rather than a
library or search engine.. Well, this time you're in luck, because a really cool guy from Columbus
named Ed Luna has already done your friend's work for them and compiled a brief but comprehensive
history of the evolution of electronic music... This was published as a brochure a while back, but
I think it's still online at:

http://www.ele-mental.org/ele_ment/think/

Be sure they write him & thank him, and properly credit their sources, too.. :P




              
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HEY!!!
HOW COME I NEVER HEARD OF THIS MW-RAVES-ORGY
SITE!!!!???
I WANNA FUCK TOO!!

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> I've never been to a orgy, but I have heard alot
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 15:46:39 2000
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so were gonna burn something right???



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In a message dated 00-03-30 10:46:48 EST, j_gotti_dnb@yahoo.com writes:

<< 
 so were gonna burn something right???
 
  >>
if we burn anything...other than a big bon-fire...  i'm thinking human feces.


(paces around the room)

either that or I think we should start burning babies for fun.

All in all, though.. boys from Milwaukee who keep you up all FUCKING night 
are also a good choice...

(cynical lil thing aren't i?)

suzi/s00zi

btw.. for the bible thumper, the 60's rock stars, and whatever little pieces 
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I'd be willing to pitch in..... MY FANTASTIC DJ SKILLS!

Atomly vs. Matt Demmon

fantastic 3 laptop 3 turntable + efx extravaganza.

Matt

On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, atomly wrote:

> Well, I'd be willing to pitch in...
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All that you will ever need to know...

In the beginning God created Eden (Paradise or Heaven on Earth)

He created Adam, the first man.

And he created Eve, the first woman.

He created the Snake to test man.

He warned Adam & Eve to stay away from "the forbidden fruit"

However, Adam & Eve disobeyed God and ate it anyway.

As a result Adam & Eve were cast out.

You see Adam & Eve never needed "the forbidden fruit", 
all they ever needed was each other.

Without Love there can be no Creation.

The Snake will say or do anything to keep you from loving or
creating.

Each time you sin, the Snake gets fatter.

When the Snake is fat enough, he will be the Beast that will
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anyone have a phone number and/or email for Dan Efex?

need to know a.s.a.p.

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EXCUSE ME, I SEEM TO REMEMBER ANOTHER MC FEATURED FOR
THIS PARTY THAT IS NOT LISTED!!!!!!!!
AND IF MY POO POO PLATTER AINT AT THE HOTEL I'M HEADIN
MY ASS BACK HOME
signed
Jon "pissed off" Gotti

--- mattdemon <demmon@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> Y'all might have missed this whilst unsubscribed.
> 
> Look, it's an all wisconisin lineup.
> 
> -----------
> 
> DESTRUCTION THREE
> 814 W. Clark St.
> Urbana, IL 61801
> $2
> May 6th 8PM
> 
> BYOB
> 
> Live Acts:
> 
> Htek           Madison       hard acid
> Stunt Rock     Milwaukee     stunt stuff
> White Rabbits  Champaign     gabber/idm/noisybreaks
> Matt Demmon    Urbana        minimal noise
> Atomly         Minneapolis   laptop rock
> 
> DJs:
> 
> Anonymous      Madison       hardcore/jungle
> FiZ            Boston        drunk as fuck
> Brad Kraft     Minneapolis   hard experimental
> Asscore 2000   Everywhere    booty haus
> Dica + ChrisE  The North     groundbreaking musics
> Uncle Ro Ro    Urbana        polka
> &
> DJ CorpseGrinder feat. MC BloodSpillah on the
> clubmixed speedcore
> 
> Directions:
> 
> Drive towards Champaign-Urbana. It's in mid-east
> Illinois. Ok, now you're
> in town. If you are on 74 or 72, exit on to 57 east.
> Take the Lincoln exit
> south. Turn left on Clark St, which is one block
> after a large street
> called University. 814 is the second house on the
> left. Park in the
> driveway, on the street. Whatever. 
> 
> more info
> The Sunshine Ministry
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> demmon@uiuc.edu
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ALIENSQUAD presents

sat may 6 . lexington, ky . TRANSMISSION 01:01

first in a new series from the crew that brought you a new perspective on 
events with the abduction parties in 99.

your guides for the evening.....
Johnny Fiasco - Afterhours.Tonic.Chicago
           Johnny Fiasco, is definitely one of the original Chicago house 
people.  He's responsible for house anthems like "Conduction" and "Keep on 
Dancing" that still pack dance-floors to this day.  He's
remixed for almost everybody and is a bad ass DJ to boot.  As far we
know, this is his first trip to this area in as long as we can remember.

Feelgood - Baltimore.www.djfeelgood.com
           Hailing from Baltimore, Feelgood has been a partner and fixture 
at Baltimore's long running club night on alternating Thursdays - FEVER. 
Along with his productions on Charm City Records he is a full-on house DJ 
who has kicked ass so many times in the midwest we don't know where to 
begin. It wasn't easy to get him back to Lexington this time and we aim to 
show him a good time like we did back in the old days.

Onionz - NYC.Electrik Soul.imperialdub.ChocolateFactory
           Onionz has been one of those DJs we just cannot get enough of. 
We've seen him take a party headed for sure disaster and turn it 180 degrees 
and then through the roof.  Onionz got his start on Long
Island as one of the founders of CAFFEINE, NYCs analog to FEVER.
With his recent successes on Moody and Siesta, as a producer propelling him 
further up in our esteem, We are proud to be able to add him to our line-up

Joeski - NYC.ChocolateFactory.ChampionSound
           Joeski is also an old skool CAFFEINE DJ from NYC.  Late night 
grooves and other funky stuff are his bread and butter.  Again this may will 
be his first appearance in this area ever, it is certainly his first 
sighting in Lextown; we can't wait to show off our scene!

SammE - Nashville.Teamsters.SoulBrothaz.PhatBastards
           We can't say enough about SammE.  SammE helped us kick off the 
Abduction series last year with Halo.  Since then, he's been a great 
surprise at several other events and an absolute hoot to hang out with. He's 
probably one of the most animated DJs  we've ever seen and he knows how to 
get people grooving!  We're tickled to be able to
bring him back for the kick-off of this new series.

Make sure you come early because only these 5 D.J.'s are playing and you 
wouldn't wanna miss any one of them.

A full lighting rig with laser provided by Project 7.
A full Turbosound rig to pound you into submission

We will have free bottled water as usual, along with other giveaways.


info: www.aliensquad.com or 606.296.7800

ATTENTION PROMOTERS:
     To aleviate too much congestion and mess in the space we have come up 
with another way to hand out flyers. We are going to compile bags to hand 
out to everyone with all flyers in them.  What we need from you is to send 
us your flyers so that we can put them in that bag.  If you have any 
questions you can call the info line above.  If not you can just send your 
flyers to the following address.  Please be advised that loose flyers will 
not be allowed in the space, only the ones in the bags...make sure you send 
yours.
Aliensquad
P.O. Box 22214
Lexington, Kentucky
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Thanks for sharing, but here is a list of some more appropriate
destinations for your posts:

alt.apocalypse
alt.bible.prophecy
alt.conspiracy.antichrist
alt.lunatics
alt.religion.christian.biblestudy
alt.religion.end-times.prophecies

thank you! ..and please be sure to pass on this info to Elijah

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>All that you will ever need to know...
>
>In the beginning God created Eden (Paradise or Heaven on Earth)
>
>He created Adam, the first man.
>
>And he created Eve, the first woman.
>
>He created the Snake to test man.
>
>He warned Adam & Eve to stay away from "the forbidden fruit"
>
>However, Adam & Eve disobeyed God and ate it anyway.
>
>As a result Adam & Eve were cast out.
>
>You see Adam & Eve never needed "the forbidden fruit", 
>all they ever needed was each other.
>
>Without Love there can be no Creation.
>
>The Snake will say or do anything to keep you from loving or
>creating.
>
>Each time you sin, the Snake gets fatter.
>
>When the Snake is fat enough, he will be the Beast that will
>control your world.
>
>-
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>btw.. for the bible thumper, the 60's rock stars, and >whatever little
pieces 
>of shit are out there.. watch me, i'll take you down.

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drove up from chi with jen and laffey, got to chad's house, lamented that
jaimmie couldn't come (youngun), but truthfully, she didn't miss much. 

it was pretty housey when we got there, i got to hear french kiss, but the
club was empty so i didn't really get a chance to werk it ;P later it got
pretty trancey....i was waiting for the hard shit all night, but it didn't
come by the time we left. wednesday night tiredness. drive back to chi
with the smoking popes and jane's addiction. worth the drive to milwaukee,
just for the fun of it...i honestly didn't expect that much from a
wednesaday night in milwaukee, so i wasn't terribly disappointed. the
people playing kept switching off every few records, so there wasn't much
continuity to the night, just whatever they felt like throwing down at the
time. 5 dollar bigass redbullandvodkas. i had hoped more ppl would show,
bill and kurt were the only people i recognized. *shrug* i had fun, worth
the drive.

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things i've been listening to a lot this week, in no order:


(1)  Miles Davis - Live Miles
(2)  The Essential James Carr
(3)  Common - One Day It'll All Make Sense
(4)  2 Bad Mice - Kaotic Chemistry LP
(5)  Overcast - Home Taping Is Killing Music [Bloody Fist 16]
(6)  Ol' Dirty Bastard - Nigga Please
(7)  Talking Heads - Speaking In Tongues
(8)  Marumari - Ballad of the Round Ball
(9)  Hardfloor - Acperience III
(10) DJ Hyperactive - Heavy Mental Vol. 8


word.

...........................................................
.......  jon/dica - massive honky - angel of death  .......
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arrived. The weapon at that point was emptied," he added.
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 Why do these kooks invariably quote the bible? Why not spice it up a little, drop the Upanishads
in there? Maybe some Talmud for that kosher flavor, or a verse or two from the Diamond Sutra?

 No, it's gotta be Adam and Noah and snakes and apples and plagues of fuckin locusts.. beget,
beget, beget.. 

 Seriously, the Christian thing is getting stale.. There's plenty of other holy books you can
misquote! "Three-Fisted Tales of Bob" would be a good place to start..


 "Don't just eat that hamburger, eat the FUCK out of it!"


                             
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 18:04:23 2000
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> *shrug* i had fun, worth
> the drive.

jes failed to mention the highlight of the evening:
we got to see our friendly list admin's nips.
and jes got to shove a buck in his boxers..  :P

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 18:24:47 2000
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> things i've been listening to a lot this week, in no order:

thanks dica for providing something to pass the time at work :). Now let's
see just how alternative and artsy I cn get with my eclectic musical tastes:

(1) Barrington Levy - Bounty Hunter, Prision Oval Rock, etc...
(2) Max Romeo and the Upsetters - War Ina Babylon (or anything else Max
Romeo has done)
(3) Nookie - All early Reinforced tracks!
(4) DJ Red Alert & Mike Slammer - Slammin' Vinyl 1-5
(5) Altern8 - Freqeuncy/Infiltrate 202
(6) Moving Fusion - Atlantis
(7) Fat Controller - In Complete Darkness
(8) Lemon D - Amen Track (ok so I admit it's just the real audio)
(9) Bad Company - Breathe (yes, another real audio favorite =P)
(10)Quicy Punx - Murder at the Senior Prom

oh... and of course

(11)Me - discovering the joys of fucking with the LFOs on a filtered
bassline!

Brandon



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    Um... yeah. Now exactly what was this supposed to have to do with raves?
Now I would conject that god also created music, and Adam and Eve most
likely got funky on a regular basis, and the funkier they got, the closer
they returned to eden, for brief periods of time. then they found
psychoatcive drugs, and that seemed alot like eden, but as they say, "it was
all in their heads". Then Adam and Eve had a few kids. A few billion years
later someone tried to simulate a bass guitar with a little electronic box.
They fucked up royally and accidently created a couple genres of music. Kids
started breaking into warehouses and dancing to this music, some of them
reaching that same state adam and eve did, but most of them just thinking
they were while eating copious amounts of psychadellic drugs, such as the
greatly feared halucinogenic Ecstacy, also known as Adams. Then the
partnership for a drug free america, also known as TPFADFA (not exactly a
toung-roller) decided Adams were bad, so they told all the warehouse owners
to get better security or not to rent out their places. The kids decided
they could do it semi-legally so they rented out ice arenas and roller rinks
instead, and hired cops to watch them while they consumed copius amounts of
drugs. The cops didn't care, they're getting paid by these kids. During the
day the cops get paid by the government to ignore the government doing
illegal things, at night the cops get paid by ravers to ignore them doing
illegal things, and both the ravers and the government waste alot of time
and energy in the intervening hours yelling at each other. The moral of the
story is that the cops are the snake, and this snake ate one too many
donuts, so it's a little slow to control much of anything. The End.

> When the Snake is fat enough, he will be the Beast that will
> control your world.

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Elijah451@aol.com wrote:

> The White Buffalo of Native American Legend has
> been mysteriously killed...
>
> http://www.earthchangestv.com/breaking/index.html/
> March2000/0326sacred.html

I can't believe they still have that face on Mars silliness on sites
like this.  There were new hi-res photos taken and the damn thing
looks like a pile of rocks.  Richard Hoaxland still sells all his
Monuments of Mars stuff and there's no mention of the new
photos anywhere.

Thats not even the beginning of the silliness on sites like this.



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 19:07:44 2000
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>    Um... yeah. Now exactly what was this supposed to have to do with
raves?
>Now I would conject that god also created music, and Adam and Eve most
>likely got funky on a regular basis, and the funkier they got, the closer
...
>and energy in the intervening hours yelling at each other. The moral of
the
>story is that the cops are the snake, and this snake ate one too many
>donuts, so it's a little slow to control much of anything. The End.

i *heart* matt murphy..

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 19:10:07 2000
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I'm ecstacy, baby! Yeah!

--- Matt Murphy <murph@mr.net> wrote:
> greatly feared halucinogenic Ecstacy, also known as
> Adams.

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int main()
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Wondering...how many of you will be making the trek up to wisconsin for this 
lovely event.. 


yeah..so ill be there this year.. goddamn asians going everywhere!

suzi/s00zi

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 19:17:49 2000
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Guy Incognito wrote:

> Hello all! My name is Ryan and I'm now subscribed to mw-raves-orgies.
> I've never been to a orgy, but I have heard alot about them.  Are
> they Fun?  I like wackin' it and I really dig the "raver" porn.

I hear they've tried to organize them in St. Louis... can anyone
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 19:24:52 2000
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We'll, we were trying to get the Stl-raves porno
going.  But to no avail, so, if any of you people out
their that live in st. Louis, go to raves, and like to
fuck alot and posibly get paid for it (probably not
though), please hit me back because we need recruits
for this project.
Thank you
And have a nice day.

--- Adam Ierymenko <api@relaymail.net> wrote:
> Guy Incognito wrote:
> 
> > Hello all! My name is Ryan and I'm now subscribed
> to mw-raves-orgies.
> > I've never been to a orgy, but I have heard alot
> about them.  Are
> > they Fun?  I like wackin' it and I really dig the
> "raver" porn.
> 
> I hear they've tried to organize them in St.
> Louis... can anyone
> confirm?
> 
> 
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Thu Mar 30 19:24:56 2000
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Yeah...i heard it was at the Superstar's compound in St. Louis.....

Do tell David...we know your watching...what's up with the 
orgies?!?!?!??!?!? :)

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Guy Incognito wrote:

 > Hello all! My name is Ryan and I'm now subscribed to mw-raves-orgies.
 > I've never been to a orgy, but I have heard alot about them.  Are
 > they Fun?  I like wackin' it and I really dig the "raver" porn.

I hear they've tried to organize them in St. Louis... can anyone
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eh, david is soft, all he wants to do is play with
alien costumes and dildoes, not the caliber were
looking for here.

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> 1. BenSims "BattleBeats 1"
> 2. Code Red 6
> 3. Code Red 1

Code Red kicks. Bottom line. I am a major trance and house fiend, but I
can appreciate anything, and Code Red completely kicks my ass. I've
started mixing tracks off that label with disco house @ +8% and it
sounds incredible.

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In a message dated 3/30/0 6:44:01 PM, murph wrote:

<<greatly feared halucinogenic Ecstacy, also known as Adams. Then the

partnership for a drug free america, also known as TPFADFA (not exactly a

toung-roller) decided Adams were bad, >>

Adams were MDA not MDMA, in other words they weren't pure.

Doves and Moons were the original rolls.

Doves from the Summer of Love (the goal was Love).

Moons from the west coast Full Moon Parties (It was a spiritual
thang).

<< The cops didn't care, they're getting paid by these kids.>>

The cops were paid to stand by the doors, so the promotors wouldn't
get robbed while taking door money.   It was not their responsibility
to watch the kids inside.  Security gets paid to do that.

<<During the day the cops get paid by the government to ignore the 
government doing illegal things>>

Day cops are paid to protect and serve the citizens.

Feds are paid to monitor the government (ie: Watergate and the
Clinton Scandal).

<< The moral of the story is that the cops are the snake, and this 
snake ate one too many donuts, so it's a little slow to control much 
of anything. The End.>>

All cops eating donuts is about an inane stereotype that all ravers
eat rolls.

...pseudo intellectuals!

And no I am not a Cop or an Agent.

I am Old Skool.


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yes....i will be there....i want to throw someone in the mud.  <looks
around>  

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> Wondering...how many of you will be making the trek up to wisconsin for this 
> lovely event.. 
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::Doves and Moons were the original rolls.

 bzzzzzzzzt!! No, but thanks for playing!

 Vanna has a lovely glow-in-the-dark "binky" for you as a parting gift.

 I personally saw MDMA used recreationally (of course I'd never touch the stuff) in nightclubs in
the mid-80's.. It didn't even become illegal until I think 1986?

 The first time I saw it it was being sold in purple capsules. The first tablets I saw were pink
with a heart imprint.. What this has to do with anything is for you to decide. At least we're not
discussing the bible now..


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Yes, I will be there as well with as many Urbanites in tow as possible.

FUCKIN SHIT UP WITH BUNNY EARS ON.

Matt

On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Lauren Goller wrote:

> yes....i will be there....i want to throw someone in the mud.  <looks
> around>  
> 
> lauryn goller	
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> I am Old Skool.


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--- lifeblood <honey@milligram.org> wrote:
> At 07:59 PM 3/29/00 -0600, Matt Murphy wrote:
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> >    ok, so I'm considering bringing some House to
> Minneapolis, looking for
> >someone people will really like, prefferably from
> the MW, prefferably
> >something kinda funky, like not real boring house.
> Any suggestions?

try reasonbeing.  email him for a demo tape. 
reason@switchboardmail.com  hes an up and coming
techouse/house dj from west central ohio.  

jim  

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>drove up from chi with jen and laffey, got to chad's house, lamented that
>jaimmie couldn't come (youngun), but truthfully, she didn't miss much.

didnt miss much?!?! you failed to mention getting to shove cash down a half 
naked admins pants! dang it. i wish i was a grown up.

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> didnt miss much?!?! you failed to mention getting to shove cash down a half 
> naked admins pants! dang it. i wish i was a grown up.

eh, beein grown up is so! overrated! cept you can get into bars and shove
dollar bills down chad's pants for showin the nips ;P i think it was the
chain mail bra that did it. how do you wash one of those things?

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elliott smith - figure 8
jane's addiction - nothing shocking
ani difranco - not a pretty girl
radiohead - ok computer
sanjay mishra and jerry garcia - blue incantation
wunder - wunder
richie hawtin - live @ l'il furthur 98
portishead - dummy
tribe called quest - midnight marauders
ghost in the shell - soundtrack
beastie boys - paul's boutique
bola - skam 5
jp buckle - flyin' low fi
pentax - konkret
delta 9 - hardcorps
concrete blonde - still in hollywood
bob dylan - blood on the tracks
plastikman - muzik
elliott smith - either/or
bjork - gling glo
pharcyde - bizarre ride II
mark lancaster - midwest acid shakedown
dylan drazen - level 1
ani difranco - not so soft
aphex twin - rdj album
jane's addiction - ritual de lo habitual





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In a message dated 3/30/0 10:04:27 PM, ted wrote:

<< I personally saw MDMA used recreationally (of course I'd 
never touch the stuff) in nightclubs in
the mid-80's.. It didn't even become illegal until I think 1986?>>

I was speaking strictly of the rave scene Ted!

Not the glamour rock scene you spawned from,
no wonder you have this affinity for "binkies"
and Vanna White!

But if you really want to talk about the conception
of Ecstacy, here's the timeline from http://www.
erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_timeline.php3

1912  MDMA synthesized by Merck Pharmaceuticals
          as a diet pill.

1914  Patented by Merck.

1953  Army Chemical Center studies it's toxicity by
          testing it on guineau pigs, rats, and mice.

early  First underground batches of MDMA synthesized.
70's

1976  First scholarly article on MDMA published.

1977  First appeared on street as recreational drug.

1977  8 individuals seek emergency room treatment
-1981   during 4 year period according to DAWN.

1981  0 people seek emergency room treatment
-1985   during 4 year period according to DAWN.

May 31,  MDMA banned federally.
1985


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I prefer to think that GOD WANTED adam and eve to eat the fruit...  mind
you this is all allegorical... *Shrug* ignorance is bliss though right?

And in what way is this Midwest or rave or midwest-rave related?  


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At 11:07 AM 3/30/00 EST, John421777@aol.com wrote:
>All that you will ever need to know...
>
>In the beginning God created Eden (Paradise or Heaven on Earth)
>
>He created Adam, the first man.
>
>And he created Eve, the first woman.
>
>He created the Snake to test man.
>
>He warned Adam & Eve to stay away from "the forbidden fruit"
>
>However, Adam & Eve disobeyed God and ate it anyway.
>
>As a result Adam & Eve were cast out.
>
>You see Adam & Eve never needed "the forbidden fruit", 
>all they ever needed was each other.
>
>Without Love there can be no Creation.
>
>The Snake will say or do anything to keep you from loving or
>creating.
>
>Each time you sin, the Snake gets fatter.
>
>When the Snake is fat enough, he will be the Beast that will
>control your world.
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Me.  Duh.

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I only seem to remember Matt doing one thing whilest having his bunny ears
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In a message dated 3/31/0 1:21:27 AM, you wrote:

<<And in what way is this Midwest or rave or midwest-rave related?>>

raves are like eden

promotors are like God in that they were originally
created so that man could meet woman and learn
about love and pro-create.

the dealers are the snakes offering their forbidden
fruits and blasphemy to tempt man and woman away
from God and love to cease creation.

however, the snakes soon made enough money from
people sinning that they started creating their own
edens and in turn became creators themselves.

no, i never dealt drugs, however i was one of the original
creators in my area, so i was able to witness the scene's
progress from day one.




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>raves are like eden
>
>promotors are like God in that they were originally
>created so that man could meet woman and learn
>about love and pro-create.

So raves are merely a meat market to you?? thats sad.
>
>the dealers are the snakes offering their forbidden
>fruits and blasphemy to tempt man and woman away
>from God and love to cease creation.
>

Um thats kinda whacked... I mean really  E seems to help people hook up
(even if they shouldn't).
I think your metaphor sucks.


And I'll repeat I truly beleive the "god" in the story wants adam and eve
to eat the apple.


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In a message dated 3/31/0 1:57:04 AM, you wrote:

<<So raves are merely a meat market to you?? thats sad.>>

that's an evil way of putting things...however, you are free
to choose not to seek love...it's your decision of what you
want to do at a party.

<<Um thats kinda whacked... I mean really  E seems to help 
people hook up (even if they shouldn't).
I think your metaphor sucks.>>

agreed, it does lower inhibitions as does alcohol...however,
there are many who can meet people without it.

<<And I'll repeat I truly beleive the "god" in the story wants 
adam and eve to eat the apple.>>

if God wanted adam & eve to eat the apple, he would not have 
called it the forbidden fruit...however, after that first sin,
i think God learned to be more forgiving so that he wouldn't
have to completely wipeout mankind each time he or she sinned.

Question is just how much more sin can God take before he
gets completely pushed over the edge and is forced to start
Armageddon.





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I don't think we want to hear any stories, OK?

Matt

On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, atomly wrote:

> I only seem to remember Matt doing one thing whilest having his bunny ears
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John421777@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/31/0 1:21:27 AM, you wrote:
>
> <<And in what way is this Midwest or rave or midwest-rave related?>>
>
> raves are like eden
>
> promotors are like God in that they were originally
> created so that man could meet woman and learn
> about love and pro-create.
>
> the dealers are the snakes offering their forbidden
> fruits and blasphemy to tempt man and woman away
> from God and love to cease creation.

I thought I had wierd ideas.

At least mine make some sense.  Can we say delusional?

Hi Stevie.



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At 09:30 PM 3/30/00 EST, John421777@aol.com wrote:
>
>In a message dated 3/31/0 1:57:04 AM, you wrote:
>
><<So raves are merely a meat market to you?? thats sad.>>
>
>that's an evil way of putting things...however, you are free
>to choose not to seek love...it's your decision of what you
>want to do at a party.

Evil way of putting things? no.. just an alternate way.  You were implying
parties were created as a place to pick women/men up.  I disagree I think
they are rather multifaceted events... might be a nice place to meet
someone might not, just as anywhere else.

>
>agreed, it does lower inhibitions as does alcohol...however,
>there are many who can meet people without it.
>
This in no way explains why you think its some 'fruit' that will get you
kicked out of paradise.  You speak but you make no sense.


><<And I'll repeat I truly beleive the "god" in the story wants 
>adam and eve to eat the apple.>>
>
>if God wanted adam & eve to eat the apple, he would not have 
>called it the forbidden fruit..

Its was called the fruit of knowledge.  Ultimately it gave man a sense of
what is right and what is wrong.  It wasnt until man ate the fruit that he
realized he was naked.  It wasnt until man ate the fruit that he "knew what
was good or evil" and until he ate the fruit he couldnt commit 'sin'
because he did not know what sin was, he had no *knowledge* of sin.  Thus
after eating the fruit he was cast out of the eden or paradise of
ignorance.  I think this is the true meaning of the story.. but its been
warped used to make people feel ashamed of themselves and to control people
and to an extent to excuse mysogyny (lets blame Eve, she talked man into
eating the apple, for all the bad shit, much like pandora and her box).  

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In a message dated 3/31/0 4:26:05 AM, api wrote:

<<At least mine make some sense.  Can we say delusional?>>

yeah, sounds like someone's done some psychoactives
before!

i'll play some more devil's advocate here...

from the book of genesis, the serpent promoted the fruit
from the tree of knowledge because it allowed the
consumer to see what is good and evil.

and the first thing that adam & eve noticed after eating
of the fruit was that they were naked...so they sewed 
fig leaves together to cover themselves.

when the Lord saw this he immediately knew that they had
eaten from the tree of knowledge and cursed them.

ok, i will go completely off the record now, and this may
be blasphemy since it is not part of the bible, because it is 
speculative since i have no idea what the serpent may have 
been thinking...but could the serpent have promoted the
tree of knowledge to help adam & eve?...after all, you are
more susceptible to catching a cold when you're walking
around naked all the time...but perhaps, the cold bacteria
had not been created at that time...and the temperature
where eden was consistently warm.

so apparently, what the Lord originally intended was for
mankind to walk around bare naked, love one another, and
pro-create, not very much unlike like porn stars!

and since God was against the tree of knowledge and the
recognition of good and evil...there would no knowledge of
evil...there would be no laws...it would be all good!

if you think about it..how can one possibly start a war if
you're too busy making love?...could this be why so many
hippies chose to dodge the draft and went to woodstock?
...so they could all get naked and make love instead of war?
(keep in mind i still promote safe sex with condoms now).

along those lines...it is the forbidden fruit of knowledge 
that allows us to recognize what is evil...ecstacy is 
considered evil, because it was banned by the federal 
government in 1985...ironically, it was banned because 8 
individuals seeked emergency room treatment in a period of 
8 years (none of them died)...granted less than a handful of 
individuals have died while under the influence of ecstacy, 
however most were due to dehydration and toxic fillers 
rather than ecstacy itself (actually more people have died 
from alcohol and penicillin than with ecstacy)...

finally the question of dealers...did they have a malicious
intent?...yes, they do make money (and this may be the
true reason people despise them), but do they have a 
malicious intent or do they function like bartenders?...
they simply serve the product that the consumer is asking
for...and the reason they ask for it?...the same reason 
people choose to drink alcohol...to lower inhibitions to
be more social.


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So is there a lineup for this yet?  The only people I know that were
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oh and dont forget...your mom and i are doing a tag team of asscore on you
in da mud.  i dare you to step biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch.

heheheh.

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 31 11:56:31 2000
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if you got on tv at some point, and instead of saying "hi, mom."
you'd say "hi stevie"

for someone who supposedly ISN'T a creator in your eyes, he sure does
seem to rule the mw-raves experience.

i've seen a couple people create alternate accounts and s*bscribe to
mw-raves...  you have to remember that imitation is often considered the
best form of flattery, and you aren't helping anything at all by doing
this.

it's little decisions like that that determine the value of this list...
if you see it as nothing more than a toy, then i'm afraid there's little
use for it, and it will have to go at some point.  that's just
foreshadowing, it's not a threat...  i've talked to many people who had
been on mw-raves since forever, but have recently unsubbed because of the
signal:noise ratio.

i understand the need to vent, and that has always been a big part of what
this list is.  but i really believe you'd be better off doing it in a more
constructive way then trying to "get through" to stevie.  actually, all it
really is is you trying to push something you are uncomfortable with away
so you don't have to deal with it.  and life doesn't work like that,
folks.

there will always be people who don't exactly see eye to eye... guys will
always turn their heads to watch an attractive woman pass no matter who
they are with... government/big business will always spout insane amounts
of bullshit to try to divert your resources to them... 
but, there will always be people who try to let you know exactly what's
going on.

that said... mw-raves being down for last weekend was an effort on my part
to make things a little more efficient.  i was getting more bounced
messages from full mailboxes than ever before, and that told me that a
good portion of the 600+ people s*bscribed weren't even reading their
mail.

so, i unsubbed everyone and left it up to the forces that be to see who
comes back.  there are now 125 subskribers... that's total... digest and
regular version.  a lot smaller animal, and i actually like it a lot
better, as there's less grunt work to do.  also, i've met a pretty huge
chunk of the people on the list now, and it's more probable that i could
eventually meet all of you.  in fact, we'd have room for the majority of
you at the net party (that nick & i still have to work the details out
for)...

that makes things a bit more intimate in my eyes.  but my eyes don't
always take in all the info... they could be broke or something :P

i guess the point is:

where do we want to go from here?  things i'm sure could get a lot
worse...  but i've trusted for a long time that you can make them better.

love,
chad

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 Indisputable proof this thread has reached the point of 0 returns:


:so apparently, what the Lord originally intended was for
:mankind to walk around bare naked, love one another, and
:pro-create, not very much unlike like porn stars!
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 How many @#$*& logins does AOL give you?

 I know, let's talk about raves and OTHER mythical places.. Like Atlantis, or Gotham, or the Ohio
rave scene StevieT created.. Gosh, I'm sure glad HE's not around anymore! (coughcough)

 






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--- John421777@aol.com wrote:
> i think God learned to be more forgiving so that he
> wouldn't
> have to completely wipeout mankind each time he or
> she sinned.

Shouldn't he have already known that man would sin? 
He IS, after all, God!  It seems like one of the great
hypocracies.  Free will v. an omnipresent omniscent
omnipotent (how's that for omni's!) God.

God should already know whether or not armeggedon will
occur, right?  So how can we change his mind if his
mind is the absolute truth 100% of the time?  If you
believe in a perfect God, then you're abondoning free
will and embracing the theory that you're just living
a controlled life under the impression of free will.  
On the other hand, if you believe in an imperfect God,
then you're considered blasphemous by most every
religious organization that exists.

What's a spiritual believer of free will to do?

--Will

Nice to have you back, Stevie ;P

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"Ignatius J. Reilly" wrote:

>  I know, let's talk about raves and OTHER mythical places.. Like Atlantis, or Gotham, or the Ohio
> rave scene StevieT created.. Gosh, I'm sure glad HE's not around anymore! (coughcough)

Same here.  Last I heard he's become some sort of bible nut...but you won't be seeing him around here
anymore, nosireebob; ya see, he's learned the absolute truth about god and the universe, so he has no
reason to remain here in attempts to impress this misled flock.  He's grown above that you see.  I'm
sure gonna miss that obstinant guy.


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I haven't seen one post since the list came back up
spouting obscenities at Stevie (or a Stevie
impersonator).  I'm either not reading all of the
messages thoroughly enough or people have grown up a
bit and are actually starting to enjoy the
hypothetical biblical and social arguments stevie
brings to the table.  I know I am.

It's better than talking about how big your pants are
and how fucked up you got at the last party...I'm only
saying it could be worse.  At least we're talking
about thought provoking subjects.

On a separate note, it seems to me that if you're
going to define one type of content as "signal" while
the rest is "noise" you may as well censor (moderate)
the list.  Otherwise, you'll have to accept that any
open forum will move off-topic fairly often.  To quote
a wise man:

"actually, all it really is is you trying to push
something you are uncomfortable with away so you don't
have to deal with it.  and life doesn't work like
that, folks."

No offense meant to you Chad, but for some the noise
is the signal...and when you kill "the noise" you're
moderating.

--Will

--- -chad sponholz- <chad@hyperreal.org> wrote:
> if you got on tv at some point, and instead of
> saying "hi, mom."
> you'd say "hi stevie"
> 
> for someone who supposedly ISN'T a creator in your
> eyes, he sure does
> seem to rule the mw-raves experience.
> 
> i've seen a couple people create alternate accounts
> and s*bscribe to
> mw-raves...  you have to remember that imitation is
> often considered the
> best form of flattery, and you aren't helping
> anything at all by doing
> this.
> 
> it's little decisions like that that determine the
> value of this list...
> if you see it as nothing more than a toy, then i'm
> afraid there's little
> use for it, and it will have to go at some point. 
> that's just
> foreshadowing, it's not a threat...  i've talked to
> many people who had
> been on mw-raves since forever, but have recently
> unsubbed because of the
> signal:noise ratio.
> 
> i understand the need to vent, and that has always
> been a big part of what
> this list is.  but i really believe you'd be better
> off doing it in a more
> constructive way then trying to "get through" to
> stevie.  actually, all it
> really is is you trying to push something you are
> uncomfortable with away
> so you don't have to deal with it.  and life doesn't
> work like that,
> folks.
> 
> there will always be people who don't exactly see
> eye to eye... guys will
> always turn their heads to watch an attractive woman
> pass no matter who
> they are with... government/big business will always
> spout insane amounts
> of bullshit to try to divert your resources to
> them... 
> but, there will always be people who try to let you
> know exactly what's
> going on.
> 
> that said... mw-raves being down for last weekend
> was an effort on my part
> to make things a little more efficient.  i was
> getting more bounced
> messages from full mailboxes than ever before, and
> that told me that a
> good portion of the 600+ people s*bscribed weren't
> even reading their
> mail.
> 
> so, i unsubbed everyone and left it up to the forces
> that be to see who
> comes back.  there are now 125 subskribers... that's
> total... digest and
> regular version.  a lot smaller animal, and i
> actually like it a lot
> better, as there's less grunt work to do.  also,
> i've met a pretty huge
> chunk of the people on the list now, and it's more
> probable that i could
> eventually meet all of you.  in fact, we'd have room
> for the majority of
> you at the net party (that nick & i still have to
> work the details out
> for)...
> 
> that makes things a bit more intimate in my eyes. 
> but my eyes don't
> always take in all the info... they could be broke
> or something :P
> 
> i guess the point is:
> 
> where do we want to go from here?  things i'm sure
> could get a lot
> worse...  but i've trusted for a long time that you
> can make them better.
> 
> love,
> chad
> 
> _          
> chad@hyperreal.org  
> http://www.hyperreal.org/~chad
> 
> "you should live as long as those mitered corners
> are gonna hold."
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> 
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>no, i never dealt drugs, however i was one of the original
>creators in my area, so i was able to witness the scene's
>progress from day one.
heh. not to point out more incriminating evidence towards your identity or
anything.
stevie or not, i certainly prefer the religious fanatic persona who draws
parallels between eden and parties to the irritating *the white man is here
to keep me down* persona who started the ohio scene and is super 'leet
cause he gets free drinks from the red zone and wishes he could have sex
with his roommates.
yeah.
so, welcome back stevie, or whoever you are, and stick with the religious
bullshit, its much more interesting..

karolyn

oh yeah, plur and all.
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I find myself slowly slipping into addiction.  The general feel is the
same.  Giddy euphoria takes hold of my gut; vision blurs from an obvious
disregard for blinking.
 I am in control.
Somewhere in the back of my brain, I'm hearing some archetype bitch that
its not right; albeit a primitive one.  Even its presence is augmented by
the devices that it fears.  
As it is connected to me... I am connecting it to a larger continuum than
my own boredom.
I'm one step closer to digitizing my own presence... beaming it and linking
it to another distant archetypical codex.
Assimafuckilation.
When I read Leary's works on the human biocomputer, I admit I was pretty
nieve.   The gist of the text was sparked by connectivity and the giddiness
he must have felt when he was introduced to devices of empowerment.  It was
an anti-Luddite statement, quite a contrast from the white-washed 'back to
nature' philosophy adopted in the post-summer of love hangover.  Technology
whether cold or hot 'blooded' was cut from the same cloth.  Technology is
empowerment.   A human or silicon vessel offer an element of control that
the spirit does not have in and if itself.  
Give me the best of both worlds.

I tried altering my own body chemistry for quite a long time.  The goal was
empowerment in not so many words.   Make me happy.  Teach me what you know.
 blah fuckng blah.
Assimilate me into the twisted sea of spiritmatter brought on by lsd.  
The abuse cost me though.  The knowledge I accessed was undermined by my
own unspecialized circuitry, which garbled the data... now fused
haphazardly into my core.  
Now I know better...
I built probes.
Tiny extensions of myself, specialized and diligent... each a tendril
strong enough to grip a portion of my birthright... a universal knowledge
and identity shattered into puzzle pieces.
The dawn of the next era may yield more chances to reach true assimilation.
 Merging circuit and bone... to specialize the seemingly flawed system
known as man... then maybe I will have the browser compatibility to search
the library of God firsthand.
Until then... my little bots are probably my best asset.
So while apes shoot ketalaar... I score solid state... pushing the stylus
deep... 

and I can see them in my peripheral, making monkey gestures towards the
bundle of input devices attached invisibly to my third eye.

Maybe they know one day, regardless, evolution will hack into their
brains... tacking a post-it note on their faceplate affectionately stating...

you are owned.

entro
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Please read the whole thing...

The most important parts are underlined.


FROM THE MW-RAVES FAQ:

This is the *midwest raves* mailing list, and the _posts should be 
restricted to this subject._  Naturally, over time list members get familiar
with each other and there is certainly room for an _occasional_ off-topic
post now and then. 

Clearly, midwest raves is about many things, and many related topics can
be of interest; e.g. the origin of various music styles, turntables and 
samplers, the state of raves today, DJing and producing, recreational 
drugs, upcoming events and reviews, _rave-related_ social issues, etc. Use
your best judgement.

If you wish to send something to the list that you think readers will 
enjoy/appreciate but is _not related to the list topic, please put "NRR"_ 
(Not Rave Related) at the beginning of the subject line, so that people
can identify and ignore this message if they choose to.

Many people feel that rave culture attempts to embody the ideals of
Peace, Love, Unity, and Respect (PLUR). With this in mind, please _avoid sending
flames (verbal, personal attacks) to the list_.


FROM AOLs "Mailing List Netiquette" GUIDE:

there's a vital reason why you should follow
mailing list netiquette. The list owner has supreme power over the list. _If a
subscriber insists on violating list guidelines or flagrantly violates mailing list
netiquette, it's a simple matter for the list owner to gag, kick off, or ban the violator_. 


Stevie T has blatantly ignored simple netiquette over and over and over.
He has posted irrelevant topics, incited flames, posted other peoples
personal messages in public without their permission, posted chatroom
logs without the permission of other people involved in the chat, and has
generally acted in a foolish manner from the beginning.

He has also intentionally masked his identity in order to deceive people and
avoid being filtered by those who do not care to hear his opinions.

It seems that he feels that his only purpose it to irritate people.  If he didn't 
think he was doing anything wrong, why would he change his e-mail address
to avoid filters ?  If Stevie T has a "right" to voice his opinion, don't we have
a "right" to ignore it by filtering it ?

If he is denying us the right to ignore him, isn't it about time we deny him his
right to be a member of this mailing list ?

AOL is Stevie T's service provider.  He is ignoring their rules, and he is ignoring
the rules of this mailing list.  Based on those facts, and the text printed above
(the MW-Raves FAQ and AOL Mailing List Netiquette Guide"), the only solution
is to ban Stevie T.  We have tried other "solutions".  They are not working.

Chad, I feel it is your responsibility to take care of this matter, despite the
fact that you feel it is "censorship".  If Stevie T is going out of his way to
circumvent the filters people have set up to ignore him, then I feel he has
given up his right to be a member of this list.

Also...  Anyone who is irritated by Stevie T, you may want to consider
writing to AOL and complaining.  He is obviously abusing his account.
It's likely if we work together that we can get his account shut down
(this of course, is an extreme measure, to be taken only in extreme
circumstances - see below).

To Stevie, if you are listening.  We don't necessarily hate you.  You
have proven that you can occasionally maintain a decent conversation.
I'd prefer if we could all get along and stop this bullshit.  Why don't you
resubscribe with your real name and try to be a little more respectful:
Don't tell us how "cool" you think you are - we can decide that for
ourselves.  Don't post stuff that we don't care about - this is MW-Raves,
not alt.religion.armageddon.  Feel free to post an oposing viewpoint -
but don't "flame".  Don't post your private "dirty laundry" in public, etc.

If someone is irritating you, you can filter them.  If you are irriting us,
we can filter you.  It's really that simple.  You don't _have_ to reply
to people who flame you, and you don't _have_ to flame other people
yourself.  

Anyway...I think I made my point, so I'll stop now.

	Joe



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 This is where we've been led; raised on video games & science fiction as a generation of
technophiles. To what end? 
 
 Having created and then fused ourselves into this global nervous system we are faced with the
disturbing signals of pain and distress from our various organs and extremities. 
 There was a time when access itself was a challenge; a puzzle that, once solved, indicated a
level of at least proficiency or aptitude if not intelligence. As this has devolved into a
point-and-click experience this medium of communication has generally created not a new level of
enlightenment but a new type of consumer. This is typical. Rather than embrace the new, we shape
it to be as much like the old as possible, out of fear of that which is unfamiliar.
 Unable to avoid forming a (mis)conception of those with whom we interact, we become caricatures,
avatars with increasingly less relation to who we actually *are*. Face-to-face encounters take on
a feel of hyper(sur)realism, in part due to the overwhelming sensuality when compared to the flat
sterility in which we met. Words stripped of nuance and inflection take on meanings not only
unintended but unimagined by those who wrote them. I can only imagine what I might look like in
the minds of those of you who haven't met me..  
 I find myself avoiding certain topics of conversation, knowing not only the risk of
misunderstanding they represent but the futility of approaching them through this disembodied
perspective. Senses atrophy here even as others are awakened. I would urge you all to be aware of
the tenuous connection this digital world has with reality. Accept it as a form of communication
rather than existence, and use it as bridge to understanding one another rather than mistake it
for that understanding in itself.


 ok. time for lunch.


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In a message dated 3/31/0 2:44:21 PM, will wrote:

<<What's a spiritual believer of free will to do?>>

free will is an illusion.

freedom is directly proportionate to how much money
you have.

if you are poor, you will be forced to be a slave to the
beast for a very long time, working dead end jobs at
ungodly hours.

the system was designed that way, ever since "the" slave
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Actually, i'd say that freedom is proportionate to how much money you
require...there are plenty of people that live free on very little, and
others that need to have a great amount of property/money to freel they've
achieved that status.

-t

In a message, someone wrote:

freedom is directly proportionate to how much money
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In a message dated 3/31/0 3:03:45 PM, karolyn wrote:

<<so, welcome back stevie, or whoever you are, and stick 
with the religious bullshit, its much more interesting..>>

how typical of your kind an onslaught of false personal 
attacks rather acknowledging your highly imperfect biased
system.

and then you end by trying to tell me what to do, continuing
your tradition of being control freaks.

well ms. karolyn, you have already called yourself out as one
from the serpent family.

please take your sheisty ass and slither out of here.


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In a message dated 3/31/0 6:37:37 PM, you wrote:

<<Actually, i'd say that freedom is proportionate to how much 
money you require...there are plenty of people that live free on 
very little, and others that need to have a great amount of property
/money to freel they've achieved that status.>>

well, when you are making barely enough to get by (some have
to be work even more because they have other mouths to feed)
your freedoms are indeed limited especially when you are stuck
with a low hourly rate or no hourly rate if you are unemployed.

ironically, most of the people that are suffering can't even voice
it because they *are* stuck at work all the time and don't have
time for much of anything else.

again, more excuses to cover up the big picture.

remember, just because you live in priveledged world, 90% of the
world *do not*!


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Are you disagreeing or agreeing with me?  Perhaps i should explain...

If you require a car to consider yourself "free", then you are bound to the
things that owning that car means - you must pay for it, you must take
responsibility for it with laws in your area, you must keep up maintenance
on it (or not, its up to you i guess)...but these are all choices.  There is
very little that keeps any one person from just saying "fuck it" and moving
into an abandoned building and living off others' garbage...not that i'm
going to be choosing that lifestyle...the shakles you wear are placed on you
by your own mind.

-t

-----Original Message-----
From: John421777@aol.com [mailto:John421777@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/31/0 6:37:37 PM, you wrote:

<<Actually, i'd say that freedom is proportionate to how much 
money you require...there are plenty of people that live free on 
very little, and others that need to have a great amount of property
/money to freel they've achieved that status.>>

well, when you are making barely enough to get by (some have
to be work even more because they have other mouths to feed)
your freedoms are indeed limited especially when you are stuck
with a low hourly rate or no hourly rate if you are unemployed.

ironically, most of the people that are suffering can't even voice
it because they *are* stuck at work all the time and don't have
time for much of anything else.

again, more excuses to cover up the big picture.

remember, just because you live in priveledged world, 90% of the
world *do not*!



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In a message dated 3/31/0 6:50:51 PM, i wrote:

<<remember, just because you live in priveledged world, 
90% of the world *do not*!>>

and this is the most crucial point.

it is only a matter of time before that 90% gets so fed up
with the rich controling their lives, opressing their freedoms,
putting them down with outlandish personal attacks rather
than accepting that they are *indeed* GREEDY and EVIL 
AND realize, that they are a MAJORITY, all they would have
to do is:

a) eliminate the oppressors, everyone knows where they live
     anyways & distribute the wealth

or what i advocate since i am against violence...

b) peacefully, stop adhering to their bullshit manipulative rules
     only designed to further empower them and keep you their
      slaves


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Ok, so here's a question that I have been pondering...what exactly is
asscore?  I asked Gotti but he gave me some inane answer that had something
to do with his ass and I had him stop there for obvious reasons...

just looking for the straight shit you shit-slingers...

nathanoid
bk-------kg

> oh and dont forget...your mom and i are doing a tag team of asscore on you
> in da mud.  i dare you to step biaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatch.
>



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perhaps im missing the point with this discussion, but I've been thinking
alot about the whole dialog between the human experience and the online
one... where the difference begins or ends, and what exactly we are trying
to achieve. I have to write this out or else I'm not going to get any work
done today =P

I've found in the years that I've been communicating online (i've been
BBSing and such since I was 10), my online persona has in some ways affected
my real world one. When I was younger and in high school I was more shy and
resevered, but more obnoxious and brash in dealings online. Over the years
I've become more obnoxious in real life too... i wonder if theres a
connection? After a while, doesn't communication via the internet and face
to face communication essentially accomplish the same goal, but in different
ways? How far can the human brain go to seperate "the real world" and the
internet? When you really think about it our bodies are really nothing more
than a machine (in a biological sence) that are built to satisfy the
requirements of life. Slowly, the internet is becoming another way to
satisfy these requirements (think about what you can and can't do on the
internet or in real life, not considering if it's simulated or not). We make
our reality out of perceptions, which are being mimicked by the internet,
and the lines keeps getting blurrier everyday. With enough technology, the
barrier between the human experience and being "online" will be eliminated.

However, the digitizing of the human experience is just a more logical,
concrete method of achieving something that spiritually advanced
civilizations have been doing for thousands of years. Tibetian monks
are/have achieved what we are attempting to do via computers with lucid
dreaming. Some have claimed to harness the alpha resonance of the earth to
form a sort of consious mental network, being able to interact with others
in a lucid dream state (which is fucking unbelievable!)

My hope is that instead of abusing the human body, we harness it as a tool.
I want to see an online experience that can stimulate the brain to replicate
lucid dreaming, which is more real than any sort of VR booth could ever
simulate. fuck hardware, we have all the hardware we could ever need, we
just dont understand it yet ;)

Brandon


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In a message dated 3/31/0 6:57:21 PM, you wrote:

<<If you require a car to consider yourself "free", then you are bound to the

things that owning that car means - you must pay for it, you must take

responsibility for it with laws in your area, you must keep up maintenance

on it (or not, its up to you i guess)...but these are all choices.  There is

very little that keeps any one person from just saying "fuck it" and moving

into an abandoned building and living off others' garbage...not that i'm

going to be choosing that lifestyle...the shakles you wear are placed on you

by your own mind.>>

boy, you are quite adept at decieving the world...

first of all, one would require quite a bit of capital to even purchase
a car...the truly poor are stuck taking buses or subways everyday to
work at their dead end jobs

second, one would require good credit to purchase a car if the entire
balance can not be paid in full...and obviously good credit is not what
most poor people have since they usually have many outstanding bills
from making barely enough to get by or making nothing at all when they
are unemployed.

third, once a car is purchased, one would have to pay for car insurance
whose monthly payments often exceed the car payments itself...one
would have to pay for gas & maintenance...one would have to pay the
BMV for plates and other formalities...

this is a *luxury* that most people can not afford...they literally
are stuck in their neighborhoods and forced to be slaves to the beast
their entire lives.

for you to even offer a choice of "giving it all up" and living off 
garbage is not only rude but completely blind to the plight of poor
people...

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I think you're completely missing his point.  

I've heard you bitch more than once about capitalism. 
This is why I'm finding hard to believe that you hold
the capitalist belief that more stuff = more self
worth.  Tony is saying that we are all free to do what
we want if we can dismiss the need for more stuff. 
You have demonstrated, stevie, that you are a
capitalist at heart by your insistance that having a
car is part of being free.

Some homeless people are the most free people in the
world because they are able to abondon their desires
for STUFF in return for the loss of responsibility. 
They can do what they want when they want to because
they don't have to worry about going to work to make
money to buy a car to buy a house to buy a boat to
buy, buy, buy.

Being truly free is being able to face the fact that
you don't NEED things to be happy with yourself. 
Until you can do that you're just a slave to your
stuff.

--Will

--- John421777@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 3/31/0 6:57:21 PM, you wrote:
> 
> <<If you require a car to consider yourself "free",
> then you are bound to the
> 
> things that owning that car means - you must pay for
> it, you must take
> 
> responsibility for it with laws in your area, you
> must keep up maintenance
> 
> on it (or not, its up to you i guess)...but these
> are all choices.  There is
> 
> very little that keeps any one person from just
> saying "fuck it" and moving
> 
> into an abandoned building and living off others'
> garbage...not that i'm
> 
> going to be choosing that lifestyle...the shakles
> you wear are placed on you
> 
> by your own mind.>>
> 
> boy, you are quite adept at decieving the world...
> 
> first of all, one would require quite a bit of
> capital to even purchase
> a car...the truly poor are stuck taking buses or
> subways everyday to
> work at their dead end jobs
> 
> second, one would require good credit to purchase a
> car if the entire
> balance can not be paid in full...and obviously good
> credit is not what
> most poor people have since they usually have many
> outstanding bills
> from making barely enough to get by or making
> nothing at all when they
> are unemployed.
> 
> third, once a car is purchased, one would have to
> pay for car insurance
> whose monthly payments often exceed the car payments
> itself...one
> would have to pay for gas & maintenance...one would
> have to pay the
> BMV for plates and other formalities...
> 
> this is a *luxury* that most people can not
> afford...they literally
> are stuck in their neighborhoods and forced to be
> slaves to the beast
> their entire lives.
> 
> for you to even offer a choice of "giving it all up"
> and living off 
> garbage is not only rude but completely blind to the
> plight of poor
> people...
> 
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Technically I should defer to .com and Dica for this question, but then I
wouldn't get to hear myself talk and I'd have to do actual work
instead. :P  

Asscore = booty house at +8.  Originally, at least.  If you have ever seen
Asscore live, though, it's basically a bunch of drunk people and Dica
around two turntables with all of their cheesiest records.  A beautiful
thing, indeed.

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On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, mattdemon wrote:
> Atomly vs. Matt Demmon
> 
> fantastic 3 laptop 3 turntable + efx extravaganza.

With Gotti on the mic, of course.

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now i understand why people filter your messages out...i'm having a very
hard time publicly discussing this with you because you continue to tell me
what i think is wrong, as in it has no place in my head.  You can disagree,
but it doesn't change the why i feel (am i the only person that was thinking
smiths lyric when they read that?).

regardless of that, i think in a way you *are* agreeing with me.  My example
was a very materialistic one, and i don't feel as if owning a car is a
necessity for freedom.  there are people that have all the things you
outlined (well, actually, *i* outlined, but whatever) that for one reason or
another don't choose to own a car that may be in a variety of states of
inner peace with their level of freedom.  being able to afford whatever you
desire has about as much to do with being free as the 700 club has to do
with god.

and i take offense (there, that should make you happy) in your cut against
me that i am blind to the plight of poor people.  I moved to madison 7 years
ago and made minimum wage, had to work 20 hrs of overtime a week to pay my
rent, but that's what it took.  I'm much better off now (most, i think,
would call me *successful*), and still strive for imporvements in my life.
Its something i did myself, by working hard, setting priorities for myself,
making sacrifices and taking changes.  Let me know when you can confront the
person that owes you a living, i'd be interested in what he has to say.

and for everyone else listening in, any future replies on this subject will
be written to John421777@aol.com himself, as this has become completely NRR.
but if for some reason you're interested in all this, let me know and i'll
cc you.

-t
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To: mw-raves@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: RE: NRR RE:[mw] Raves and Eden



In a message dated 3/31/0 6:57:21 PM, you wrote:

<<If you require a car to consider yourself "free", then you are bound to
the

things that owning that car means - you must pay for it, you must take

responsibility for it with laws in your area, you must keep up maintenance

on it (or not, its up to you i guess)...but these are all choices.  There is

very little that keeps any one person from just saying "fuck it" and moving

into an abandoned building and living off others' garbage...not that i'm

going to be choosing that lifestyle...the shakles you wear are placed on you

by your own mind.>>

boy, you are quite adept at decieving the world...

first of all, one would require quite a bit of capital to even purchase
a car...the truly poor are stuck taking buses or subways everyday to
work at their dead end jobs

second, one would require good credit to purchase a car if the entire
balance can not be paid in full...and obviously good credit is not what
most poor people have since they usually have many outstanding bills
from making barely enough to get by or making nothing at all when they
are unemployed.

third, once a car is purchased, one would have to pay for car insurance
whose monthly payments often exceed the car payments itself...one
would have to pay for gas & maintenance...one would have to pay the
BMV for plates and other formalities...

this is a *luxury* that most people can not afford...they literally
are stuck in their neighborhoods and forced to be slaves to the beast
their entire lives.

for you to even offer a choice of "giving it all up" and living off 
garbage is not only rude but completely blind to the plight of poor
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 For anyone interested, in the most recent issue of Seventeen magazine,
 there's a lengthy article on the devastation of GHB use..and a couple
 people talk about how it messed up their lives. It's called "Party's Over" 
 on pages 186-189,, they mention clubs & parties, and they talk about
 how GHB is bad and has destroyed some peoples' lives. 

   *Shandi*


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woah can i plug my devilfish in on this	

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 Hah..sorry I forgot to mention the month..it's May 2000.

   *Shandi*


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On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Shandi wrote:

> 
>  For anyone interested, in the most recent issue of Seventeen magazine,
>  there's a lengthy article on the devastation of GHB use..and a couple
>  people talk about how it messed up their lives. It's called "Party's Over" 
>  on pages 186-189,, they mention clubs & parties, and they talk about
>  how GHB is bad and has destroyed some peoples' lives. 
> 
>    *Shandi*
> 
> 
> email: tankgirl@indy.net
> AOL IM: Czarina790
> ebay user ID: iluvsp
> 
> 
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Kind of funny that Seventeen, a magazine that promotes
promiscuity among underagers, is trying to lecture
kids on the dangers of victimless crimes.

--- Shandi <tankgirl@indy.net> wrote:
> 
>  Hah..sorry I forgot to mention the month..it's May
> 2000.
> 
>    *Shandi*
> 
> 
> email: tankgirl@indy.net
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> ebay user ID: iluvsp
> 
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Shandi wrote:
> 
> > 
> >  For anyone interested, in the most recent issue
> of Seventeen magazine,
> >  there's a lengthy article on the devastation of
> GHB use..and a couple
> >  people talk about how it messed up their lives.
> It's called "Party's Over" 
> >  on pages 186-189,, they mention clubs & parties,
> and they talk about
> >  how GHB is bad and has destroyed some peoples'
> lives. 
> > 
> >    *Shandi*
> > 
> > 
> > email: tankgirl@indy.net
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> > ebay user ID: iluvsp
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> > 
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>I haven't seen one post since the list came back up
>spouting obscenities at Stevie (or a Stevie
>impersonator).  I'm either not reading all of the
>messages thoroughly enough or people have grown up a
>bit and are actually starting to enjoy the
>hypothetical biblical and social arguments stevie
>brings to the table.  I know I am.

i know i could care less.

i'm still getting my mailbox filled up with the same threads that went on a 
few months ago.  nothing will be solved, no one will change opinions.  it's 
mindless prick-waving.  if i wanted to hear everyone's revolutionary 
thoughts on christianity, god, and religion, i would have joined a list 
related to that sort of thing.  or, i would have read the archives.

that's just my thoughts.. i'm sure not shared by the masses who, apparently, 
enjoy their attempts to prove themselves opinionated.  but i suppose that's 
the point of pretty much every post that comes through here, anyhow.

...........................................................
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Tony Sebion wrote:

> Actually, i'd say that freedom is proportionate to how much money you
> require...there are plenty of people that live free on very little, and
> others that need to have a great amount of property/money to freel they've
> achieved that status.

Freedom is in your mind.  There is no freedom in the world.
We are always dependant on something... after all we live in
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: that's just my thoughts.. i'm sure not shared by the masses who,
apparently,
: enjoy their attempts to prove themselves opinionated.  but i suppose
that's
: the point of pretty much every post that comes through here, anyhow.

seems to be.

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In a message dated 00-03-31 14:58:46 EST, dica666@hotmail.com writes:

<< 
 i know i could care less.
 
 i'm still getting my mailbox filled up with the same threads that went on a 
 few months ago.  nothing will be solved, no one will change opinions.  it's 
 mindless prick-waving.  if i wanted to hear everyone's revolutionary 
 thoughts on christianity, god, and religion, i would have joined a list 
 related to that sort of thing.  or, i would have read the archives.
 
 that's just my thoughts.. i'm sure not shared by the masses who, apparently, 
 enjoy their attempts to prove themselves opinionated.  but i suppose that's 
 the point of pretty much every post that comes through here, anyhow.
 
 ...........................................................
 .......  jon/dica - massive honky - angel of death  .......
 ........................................................... >>


Goddamn..i KNEW i smelled a white boy!  

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Tony Sebion wrote:

> now i understand why people filter your messages out...i'm having a very
> hard time publicly discussing this with you because you continue to tell me
> what i think is wrong, as in it has no place in my head.  You can disagree,
> but it doesn't change the why i feel (am i the only person that was thinking
> smiths lyric when they read that?).

You can't argue with GOD!  The creator!

BTW, I wonder if Stevie T is the alter-ego of this person:

http://www.sollog.com/

Register a domain name and declare yourself God!  (a church
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Elijah451@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/31/0 4:26:05 AM, api wrote:
>
> <<At least mine make some sense.  Can we say delusional?>>
>
> yeah, sounds like someone's done some psychoactives
> before!
>
> i'll play some more devil's advocate here...
>
> from the book of genesis, the serpent promoted the fruit
> from the tree of knowledge because it allowed the
> consumer to see what is good and evil.
>
> and the first thing that adam & eve noticed after eating
> of the fruit was that they were naked...so they sewed
> fig leaves together to cover themselves.
>
> when the Lord saw this he immediately knew that they had
> eaten from the tree of knowledge and cursed them.
>
> ok, i will go completely off the record now, and this may
> be blasphemy since it is not part of the bible, because it is
> speculative since i have no idea what the serpent may have
> been thinking...but could the serpent have promoted the
> tree of knowledge to help adam & eve?...after all, you are
> more susceptible to catching a cold when you're walking
> around naked all the time...but perhaps, the cold bacteria
> had not been created at that time...and the temperature
> where eden was consistently warm.
>
> so apparently, what the Lord originally intended was for
> mankind to walk around bare naked, love one another, and
> pro-create, not very much unlike like porn stars!
>
> and since God was against the tree of knowledge and the
> recognition of good and evil...there would no knowledge of
> evil...there would be no laws...it would be all good!

So if we didn't know good and evil we could run around and
do whatever we wanted and everything would be good?

Actually, if you ever watch some young children you'll see this
interesting principle in action.  Young children brought up without
any concept of right/wrong or good/evil.  They run around
picking on each other, torturing animals, beating each other up,
stealing, vandalizing, etc. yet they exist in a state of what looks
almost like happy innocence.  I guess everything is just sensory
input to them... no distinction between good and evil...

Maybe Stalin and Hitler and Charles Manson existed in this
mythical prelapsarian state?

I think I'll take my forbidden fruit, thank you very much.  :)

Of course, I don't really subscribe to the whole Xian worldview
and paradigm anyway... and even if I did I think Stevie's
interpretation is rather silly.  Look at Christians and how they
behave.  They don't act like amoralists or porn stars.  (Not that
I think there's anything necessarily wrong with porn stars.  :)
You can't divorce a belief system from the people who practice
it.  The writing in the book is only half of what's there.  The other
half is the reality of the current that it creates.



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In a message dated 3/31/0 7:38:48 PM, will wrote:

<<I've heard you bitch more than once about capitalism. 
This is why I'm finding hard to believe that you hold
the capitalist belief that more stuff = more self
worth.  Tony is saying that we are all free to do what
we want if we can dismiss the need for more stuff. 
You have demonstrated, stevie, that you are a
capitalist at heart by your insistance that having a
car is part of being free.>>

oh my God, you can't be serious, you're like the mother of all
decievers...i never imagined one would even possibly go down
to this level!

so you are suggesting that being homeless is fun?!...yup, you 
are indeed insanity(fr)...

you are insane, implying that i think more stuff = more
self worth, when you know very well i was speaking about
how the poor do not *have* the choice to even purchase a car 
to get out of their neighborhoods and are forced to be slaves
to the beast for the rest of their lives working low paying 
dead end jobs!

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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 31 20:19:00 2000
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There's no meaningful conversation without opinion.

If you'd rather have us all agree on everything all of
the time, the only thing we'd ever post would be be:
"Hawtin is God"

<sarcasm>And those who don't agree should be kicked
off the list</sarcasm>

--Will

--- jon dica! <dica666@hotmail.com> wrote:
> that's just my thoughts.. i'm sure not shared by the
> masses who, apparently, 
> enjoy their attempts to prove themselves
> opinionated.  but i suppose that's 
> the point of pretty much every post that comes
> through here, anyhow.

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In a message dated 3/31/0 7:51:49 PM, you wrote:

<< For anyone interested, in the most recent issue of 
Seventeen magazine, there's a lengthy article on the 
devastation of GHB use..and a couple people talk about 
how it messed up their lives. It's called "Party's Over" 
 on pages 186-189,, they mention clubs & parties, and 
they talk about how GHB is bad and has destroyed some 
peoples' lives. >>

going along with how the CIA was involved with the 
smuggling of cocaine and how originally it was the US Army's
Chemical Center that utilized ecstacy, and how it would be 
impossible for most party kids to even have the knowledge or 
funds to synthesize such drugs...did it ever occur to anyone that 
it was the systems way of not only further milking the poor and 
single people but a convenient way to incarcerate them for long
periods of time

if the government could have it's way, not only would we be
perfect slaves to the beast, but have no social life whatsoever
...stuck at home, too poor to go out in front of our tv's believing
in the propaganda they cast on there...of how lovely & joyful things 
are when in reality, the real world is nothing at all like the tv 
world...you know it because you live that real world every day!

there are however some shows that *are* exposing just how
sheisty things really are out there...like the news...kudos to them...
they're the ones that *are* keeping it real!



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 31 20:45:31 2000
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It's not so bad! You could be subscribed to the gabber list!


But seriously, I've got a question: Does anyone think that raving is a
viable form of culture/life/entertainment/anything? Will it have an effect
on future generations? How will raving evolve? What does raving have to do
with electronic music, if anything?

Matt


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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 31 20:49:32 2000
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as far as a conspiracy surrounding GHB, you can order a kit to make it and
print out the one page instructions that can be followed by anyone that has
as much skill as it takes to make jello from...

http://www.angelfire.com/yt/ghbinfo/index.html

or 

http://www.geocities.com/ghbkit

and probably 1,000,000 other sites.

i have made it before (more out of curiosity than anything else) from a
legal kit ordered to a US address and can say it couldn't be simpler.

-t

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In a message dated 3/31/0 7:51:49 PM, you wrote:

<< For anyone interested, in the most recent issue of 
Seventeen magazine, there's a lengthy article on the 
devastation of GHB use..and a couple people talk about 
how it messed up their lives. It's called "Party's Over" 
 on pages 186-189,, they mention clubs & parties, and 
they talk about how GHB is bad and has destroyed some 
peoples' lives. >>

going along with how the CIA was involved with the 
smuggling of cocaine and how originally it was the US Army's
Chemical Center that utilized ecstacy, and how it would be 
impossible for most party kids to even have the knowledge or 
funds to synthesize such drugs...did it ever occur to anyone that 
it was the systems way of not only further milking the poor and 
single people but a convenient way to incarcerate them for long
periods of time

if the government could have it's way, not only would we be
perfect slaves to the beast, but have no social life whatsoever
...stuck at home, too poor to go out in front of our tv's believing
in the propaganda they cast on there...of how lovely & joyful things 
are when in reality, the real world is nothing at all like the tv 
world...you know it because you live that real world every day!

there are however some shows that *are* exposing just how
sheisty things really are out there...like the news...kudos to them...
they're the ones that *are* keeping it real!



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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Fri Mar 31 20:52:48 2000
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Here's a recent chill jungle set of mine.  The
first half is all jazzy/ambient drum 'n bass,
and then it starts getting quirky in the second
half, until it goes haywire by the end.

Squarepusher "Port Rhombus" [Warp]
Big Bud "Alzir" [Good Looking]
Talvin Singh "Traveller" (4 Hero rmx) [Island]
Allude 8 "Deep Minds" [New Identity]
Motiv One "Loop Progression" [Good Looking]
Voyager feat. Christina Murphy "Desire"
	(instrumental) [R&S]
Total Science "Force Field" [Good Looking]
Basic Unit "White Blossom" [Moving Shadow]
Hoax "The Mission" [Moving Shadow]
Hardkiss "Riverandrain" (RITM rmx) [L'attitude]
Animals on Wheels "Sved Buttock" (on u-ziq's
	"mealtime") [Virgin]
DJ Food "Inosan" (Neotropic rmx) [Ninja Tune]
Squarepusher "Psultan?" [DOG059 EP?]
Speedy J "ni go snix" (like a tim mix) [Plus 8]
Delta 9 "Dusted" [Industrial Strength]
J. Little "The Hump is On" [Atlantic]

(I'm a special kind of disc jockey because I
only use one turntable.)

Kevin
kevinryan@students.wisc.edu
http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~kevinryan

"Katherine" wrote:
>"I figure take advantage of her while shes got
>genitals.  Thats my philosophy on cat fucking.
>In fact, thats pretty much my philosophy on
>women." -Kev after sucking face with a bottle
>of captain morgens



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In a message dated 3/31/0 8:14:57 PM, you wrote:

<<Actually, if you ever watch some young children you'll see this
interesting principle in action.  Young children brought up without
any concept of right/wrong or good/evil.  They run around
picking on each other, torturing animals, beating each other up,
stealing, vandalizing, etc. yet they exist in a state of what looks
almost like happy innocence>>

actually most of the bad things kids do *is* learned, for
instance most kids do not learn to curse until they hear 
their parents do it...most kids don't learn violence til
they see their parents do it.

<<Maybe Stalin and Hitler and Charles Manson existed in this
mythical prelapsarian state?>>

Stalin, Hitler, and Mason were far from the ignorance is bliss
belief...they were all extremely intelligent men that used
their intelligence to manipulate and control people...you gave
perfect examples of the exact opposite of the whole ignorance
is bliss principle.

<<  Look at Christians and how they behave.  They don't act like 
amoralists or porn stars.  (Not that I think there's anything 
necessarily wrong with porn stars. >>

What are you talking about, Christians are some of the best
behaved people in the world...again you give perfect examples
of the exact opposite of what you're trying to prove.

Also did it occur to you that there are a plethora of religions
that study the Bible besides Christianity...not even Jesus was
christian, he was a Jew!...see, you're already a part of the
ignorance is bliss principle it's your twisted habit of playing 
devil's advocate that is destroying you...However, this seems
more from your disdain for Stevie than anything else...could
this be because he consistently takes the side of God and what
is good and true that seems to offset you because you realize
you have commited far too many sins in your life?

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Hey!  Can I ride on the sensless train?!?!?
woooo hoooo!!!  Next stop, steviet's ego!

wait a second.. - ..saaay...I've been here before....omigod!  this track
is a vicious loop!!!  We're going round and round and round!!!  It's
never going to stop!!!!   aaaaaaaaaghhhhh!!!!!

-ahem.

well, at least it's firday, have good weekends all.

shutting-down... <-blip->
 

John421777@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/31/0 7:38:48 PM, will wrote:
>
> <<I've heard you bitch more than once about capitalism.
> This is why I'm finding hard to believe that you hold
> the capitalist belief that more stuff = more self
> worth.  Tony is saying that we are all free to do what
> we want if we can dismiss the need for more stuff.
> You have demonstrated, stevie, that you are a
> capitalist at heart by your insistance that having a
> car is part of being free.>>
>
> oh my God, you can't be serious, you're like the mother of all
> decievers...i never imagined one would even possibly go down
> to this level!
>
> so you are suggesting that being homeless is fun?!...yup, you
> are indeed insanity(fr)...
>
> you are insane, implying that i think more stuff = more
> self worth, when you know very well i was speaking about
> how the poor do not *have* the choice to even purchase a car
> to get out of their neighborhoods and are forced to be slaves
> to the beast for the rest of their lives working low paying
> dead end jobs!
>
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who's jesus?
> 
> In a message dated 3/31/0 8:14:57 PM, you wrote:
> 
> <<Actually, if you ever watch some young children you'll see this
> interesting principle in action.  Young children brought up without
> any concept of right/wrong or good/evil.  They run around
> picking on each other, torturing animals, beating each other up,
> stealing, vandalizing, etc. yet they exist in a state of what looks
> almost like happy innocence>>
> 
> actually most of the bad things kids do *is* learned, for
> instance most kids do not learn to curse until they hear 
> their parents do it...most kids don't learn violence til
> they see their parents do it.
> 
> <<Maybe Stalin and Hitler and Charles Manson existed in this
> mythical prelapsarian state?>>
> 
> Stalin, Hitler, and Mason were far from the ignorance is bliss
> belief...they were all extremely intelligent men that used
> their intelligence to manipulate and control people...you gave
> perfect examples of the exact opposite of the whole ignorance
> is bliss principle.
> 
> <<  Look at Christians and how they behave.  They don't act like 
> amoralists or porn stars.  (Not that I think there's anything 
> necessarily wrong with porn stars. >>
> 
> What are you talking about, Christians are some of the best
> behaved people in the world...again you give perfect examples
> of the exact opposite of what you're trying to prove.
> 
> Also did it occur to you that there are a plethora of religions
> that study the Bible besides Christianity...not even Jesus was
> christian, he was a Jew!...see, you're already a part of the
> ignorance is bliss principle it's your twisted habit of playing 
> devil's advocate that is destroying you...However, this seems
> more from your disdain for Stevie than anything else...could
> this be because he consistently takes the side of God and what
> is good and true that seems to offset you because you realize
> you have commited far too many sins in your life?
> 
> -
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In a message dated 3/31/0 8:50:23 PM, tony wrote:

<<i have made it before (more out of curiosity than anything 
else) from a legal kit ordered to a US address and can say it 
couldn't be simpler.


-t>>

oh my God, talk about shooting one self in the foot!

what the hell are you thinking tony?


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--- mattdemon <demmon@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> It's not so bad! You could be subscribed to the
> gabber list!

True True
 
> But seriously, I've got a question: Does anyone
> think that raving is a
> viable form of culture/life/entertainment/anything?

I think it's a viable form of entertainment ONLY! 
Calling it culture (as in "the rave culture") is a
massive exaggeration.  The things that brings people
to the party are 1) drugs, 2) music, 3) to meet people
and only having those three things in common does not
qualify rave as a culture.

> Will it have an effect on future generations?

Yes.  Rave will probably survive our absence (by "our"
I mean our generation).  By then it'll be bigger,
badder, and more profitable.  History has shown we're
always 2 steps behind Europe to give you an idea of
what I mean.

> How will raving evolve? 

I don't think it will evolve...it'll just be bigger
and more accepted by people

>What does raving have to do with electronic music, if
anything?

Contrary to popular belief, one does not necessarily
need another.  I've introduced many friends to
electronic music and although they've never been to a
rave, they love the music.

I actually think it's bad for electronic music to be
associated only with raves.  It'll mean that if the
rave trend ever ends, it'll take electronic music down
with it.  I don't think that'll happen (see above) but
you never can tell.

> Matt

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not that this is the perfect example, but if you compare raving to the
culture that surrounds the grateful dead and bands associated with that
lifestyle, you can expect stagnation, petty bickering, and parody (both from
within and outside raving).

to examine this list, it think i'd find almost the same thing.

oh well, its fun, for the most part.
-t

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It's not so bad! You could be subscribed to the gabber list!


But seriously, I've got a question: Does anyone think that raving is a
viable form of culture/life/entertainment/anything? Will it have an effect
on future generations? How will raving evolve? What does raving have to do
with electronic music, if anything?

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nah, i think you're looking for a personal attack where there isn't one.
making ghb 'cuz you're curious about it is not a moral crime.

anyway, i guess i'm missing the point you're derifing from this.   it wasn't
for sale for profit (or for sale at all actually)...or for "abuse" (although
i'd have to say if it was its really none of your business anyway)...i
considered it a learning experience and i wanted to see what all the hubbub
was about.

-t

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In a message dated 3/31/0 8:50:23 PM, tony wrote:

<<i have made it before (more out of curiosity than anything 
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couldn't be simpler.


-t>>

oh my God, talk about shooting one self in the foot!

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:perhaps im missing the point with this discussion,

 I think "change of subject" was a big part of it.

:but I've been thinking alot about the whole dialog between the human experience and the online
:one... where the difference begins or ends, and what exactly we are trying
:to achieve. 

 I don't think we can separate the online experience from the human one. I was pointing out that
one is a small and IMO somewhat distorted part of the other. What we are trying to achieve is
definitely worth considering..

:I've found in the years that I've been communicating online (i've been
:BBSing and such since I was 10), my online persona has in some ways affected
:my real world one. When I was younger and in high school I was more shy and
:resevered, but more obnoxious and brash in dealings online. Over the years
:I've become more obnoxious in real life too... i wonder if theres a
:connection? 

 I've also become less shy as a result. Playing online games has made me more aware of ethics and
more patient. I've also learned to choose my words more carefully. ;p

:After a while, doesn't communication via the internet and face
:to face communication essentially accomplish the same goal, but in different
:ways? 

 I don't think so. For example, do you think certain aggravating people on this list would be
nearly so insulting in person? I highly doubt it.. This is still relatively anonymous, and though
the fear of getting beat down may be a crude way of demonstrating the difference, I think it's an
effective one. Human interaction takes place on so many non-verbal levels. I would agree that this
is a useful tool for communication when used properly, but I don't see how it can compare to a
face-to-face conversation.

:How far can the human brain go to seperate "the real world" and the
:internet? 

I don't think that's the point. The internet is a part of the real world. My point was that it is
not a replacement.

:When you really think about it our bodies are really nothing more
:than a machine (in a biological sence) that are built to satisfy the
:requirements of life. 

I think of the human body as a vessel for the soul, and a tool with which we perceive and
manipulate three-dimensional space. Your mileage may vary. ;]

:Slowly, the internet is becoming another way to
:satisfy these requirements (think about what you can and can't do on the
:internet or in real life, not considering if it's simulated or not). 

 But we *must* consider whether or not it is simulation. Simulation, by definition, is an
imitation of that which is real. 

:We make our reality out of perceptions, which are being mimicked by the internet,
:and the lines keeps getting blurrier everyday. 
:With enough technology, the barrier between the human experience and being "online" will be
:eliminated.

 I don't think so, if only because we are able to shut it off as soon as it becomes unpleasant.

:However, the digitizing of the human experience is just a more logical,
:concrete method of achieving something that spiritually advanced
:civilizations have been doing for thousands of years. 

 I think the concept of a nodal/group mind is a very interesting one. However I don't think we've
quite reached that point. As dynamic a mode of communication as this can be, it is still
essentialy communication. At the same time, to give a personal example, I've come away from a good
online gaming session literally shaking with adrenalin. (I was playing CounterStrike, if that
means anything to you.)

:Tibetian monks are/have achieved what we are attempting to do via computers with lucid
:dreaming. 

 I think it goes far beyond lucid dreaming. I've experienced lucid dreaming myself, but I am far
from reaching my potential mentally, physically, or spiritually.

:Some have claimed to harness the alpha resonance of the earth to
:form a sort of consious mental network, being able to interact with others
:in a lucid dream state (which is fucking unbelievable!)

 I believe this to be possible. I think the internet may somehow be used in the same way. Again,
your mileage may vary. Incidentally I've read that this cycle is slowly increasing from what was
around 8hz to, supposedly, around 13hz. What this means (assuming it's true) is open to
speculation, but some of the theories I've heard are pretty astounding.

:My hope is that instead of abusing the human body, we harness it as a tool.

 Mine as well. We are capable of so much more.

:I want to see an online experience that can stimulate the brain to replicate
:lucid dreaming, which is more real than any sort of VR booth could ever
:simulate. 

 If I'm not mistaken lucid dreaming occurs during Theta wave states. Alpha states are, if I
remember correctly, more akin to daydreaming or being stoned. At any rate, like you say below we
don't need the hardware. We are capable of doing this on our own. Incidentally, there is a device
that should hit the market in the next year or so that uses a headset and miniscule electrical
impulses to simulate movement.

:fuck hardware, we have all the hardware we could ever need, we
:just dont understand it yet ;)

 


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Greetings and happy weekend to my mw-raves pals! 

Does anyone know the lineup or headliners for the Clubhead/Stillfresh
9th Anniversary party in Cincinnati in May? Any info would be oh so
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks mucho!
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Your best bet would be to call up clubhead and ask bob.  He hasnt
released any details on this party yet (not on a flyer that i've seen
anyways).  All i've seen so far for it is a flyer that says "ITS GOING TO
BE THE BOMB! - headliners tba"

elroy wrote:

> Greetings and happy weekend to my mw-raves pals!
>
> Does anyone know the lineup or headliners for the Clubhead/Stillfresh
> 9th Anniversary party in Cincinnati in May? Any info would be oh so
> gratefully appreciated.
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> Thanks mucho!
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> Your best bet would be to call up clubhead and ask bob.  He hasnt
> released any details on this party yet (not on a flyer that i've seen
> anyways).  All i've seen so far for it is a flyer that says "ITS GOING TO
> BE THE BOMB! - headliners tba"

That's all I've seen too. I think it's kinda weak to release headliners
for a BIG party only a month in advance. I mean, I know Bob's word is
good regarding who he's booking, and they'll be there, I just wish he'd
release something about it. Oh well, I'll call tonite and see what's up.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess either Derrick Carter or Paul Johnson are on there.
I would'nt be surprised to see Phantom 45 on the bill either..

:P


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 Be sure and ask him about that Porter Ricks & Thomas Brinkmann PA at Lift..


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I called Bob and he is releasing the line-up next Friday.



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Greetings and happy weekend to my mw-raves pals!

Does anyone know the lineup or headliners for the Clubhead/Stillfresh
9th Anniversary party in Cincinnati in May? Any info would be oh so
gratefully appreciated.

Thanks mucho!
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Since this list is full of drunks ( including myself ) I figured you guys 
would enjoy this. :)

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Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:05:01 -0500

Deep Thought:
Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed.
Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery
and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they
might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to
myself, "It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come
true than be selfish and worry about my liver."
* by Jack Handy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the
morning,that's as good as they're going to feel all day.
* Frank Sinatra
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The problem with some people is that when they aren't drunk, they're
sober.
* William Butler Yeats
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with
his fools.
* Ernest Hemingway
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to
keep your mouth shut.
* Ernest Hemingway
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time.
* Catherine Zandonella
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying
himself a pleasure.
* Ambrose Bierce
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Reality is an illusion that occurs due to lack of alcohol.
* Anonymous
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Drinking provides a beautiful excuse to pursue the one activity that
truly gives me pleasure, hooking up with fat, hairy girls.
* Ross Levy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A woman drove me to drink and I didn't even have the decency to thank
her.
* W.C. Fields
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch?
* W.C. Fields
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
* Henny Youngman
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Life is a waste of time, time is a waste of life, so get wasted all of
the time and have the time of your life.
* Michelle Mastrolacasa
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.
* Tom Waits
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence?
* Stephen Wright
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When we drink, we get drunk.
When we get drunk, we fall asleep.
When we fall asleep, we commit no sin.
When we commit no sin, we go to heaven. Sooooo, let's all get drunk and
go to heaven!
* Brian O'Rourke
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It
helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear
weapons,
but
at the very least you need a beer.
* Frank Zappa
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has
taken out of me.
* Winston Churchill
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
* Benjamin Franklin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you ever reach total enlightenment while drinking beer, I bet it
makes beer shoot out your nose.
* Deep Thoughts, Jack Handy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is
beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the
wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza.
* Dave Barry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind.
* Humphrey Bogart
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The top 10 censored/underreported news stories of 1999
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http://www.alternet.org/PublicArchive/ProjectCensored032900.html



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So is anyone going to the party in Kenosha, WI tonight?  If so, let me
know.  I might be heading down there.  Net meet?  Oral sex?

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> That's all I've seen too. I think it's kinda weak to release headliners
> for a BIG party only a month in advance. I mean, I know Bob's word is
> good regarding who he's booking, and they'll be there, I just wish he'd
> release something about it. Oh well, I'll call tonite and see what's up.
>
> -ben . elroy

<rant>bob's word is good as far as who hes booking????  Lets look at the last
month or so's lineup for Lift.

Fabio - canceled.. bob said his tour was cancelled, but his tour wasnt really
cancelled.  He played at WMC this week, he's been all over the US recently.  He
acts like just cuz he's damn near 40 he knows more than anyone else in the
"scene" here and therefore can blow shit up everyone's asses as to whats going
on with his bookings.

Grooverider - that was supposed to be last night.  Guess who wasnt there.  I
heard he was never confirmed in the first place.  Why put someone on a flyer if
your not sure as to whether or not they're going to be there?

LTJ Bukam - Latest issue of URB Magazine has an advertisement listing
cincinnati as one of his tour stops.  Guess where LTJ Bukam isnt going to be.
Now i know LTJ's record label wouldnt post cincinnati as a tour date if they
didnt do everything they were supposed to do on their end, which points the
fuckup in one direction.

Bob has gotten some really good talent in the past and he's been doing this for
a long time.. i just think he needs a break, and a computer so he can learn
what the fuq is goin on with the music and the records that are coming out.
Jungle records go faster than any other in this town.  A big shipment of jungle
usually comes into Hotwax every week or two, usually a couple records or more,
and its all gone after 2 days!
If bob wants to survive in this town he's gonna have to learn whats up with the
music, and he's gonna have to learn that not everyone in cincinnati is stupid
as to whats going on with tours,etc.</rant>



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> If bob wants to survive in this town he's gonna have to learn whats up with the
> music, and he's gonna have to learn that not everyone in cincinnati is stupid
> as to whats going on with tours,etc.</rant>

tru dat.

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true dat!  i couldnt agree more.

jim

--- Grant <grant@techgallery.com> wrote:
> > That's all I've seen too. I think it's kinda weak
> to release headliners
> > for a BIG party only a month in advance. I mean, I
> know Bob's word is
> > good regarding who he's booking, and they'll be
> there, I just wish he'd
> > release something about it. Oh well, I'll call
> tonite and see what's up.
> >
> > -ben . elroy
> 
> <rant>bob's word is good as far as who hes
> booking????  Lets look at the last
> month or so's lineup for Lift.
> 
> Fabio - canceled.. bob said his tour was cancelled,
> but his tour wasnt really
> cancelled.  He played at WMC this week, he's been
> all over the US recently.  He
> acts like just cuz he's damn near 40 he knows more
> than anyone else in the
> "scene" here and therefore can blow shit up
> everyone's asses as to whats going
> on with his bookings.
> 
> Grooverider - that was supposed to be last night. 
> Guess who wasnt there.  I
> heard he was never confirmed in the first place. 
> Why put someone on a flyer if
> your not sure as to whether or not they're going to
> be there?
> 
> LTJ Bukam - Latest issue of URB Magazine has an
> advertisement listing
> cincinnati as one of his tour stops.  Guess where
> LTJ Bukam isnt going to be.
> Now i know LTJ's record label wouldnt post
> cincinnati as a tour date if they
> didnt do everything they were supposed to do on
> their end, which points the
> fuckup in one direction.
> 
> Bob has gotten some really good talent in the past
> and he's been doing this for
> a long time.. i just think he needs a break, and a
> computer so he can learn
> what the fuq is goin on with the music and the
> records that are coming out.
> Jungle records go faster than any other in this
> town.  A big shipment of jungle
> usually comes into Hotwax every week or two, usually
> a couple records or more,
> and its all gone after 2 days!
> If bob wants to survive in this town he's gonna have
> to learn whats up with the
> music, and he's gonna have to learn that not
> everyone in cincinnati is stupid
> as to whats going on with tours,etc.</rant>
> 
> 
> 
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JUST STARTING THE ROLL CALL LIST A LITTLE EARLY!! I'M JUST EXITED!!

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wow those arent all extremely common names or anything

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unsubbing until the school year is over.

/me prays that the Raves and Eden thread will be long gone when he
gets back...

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"Suffering ends when earthly (material) desires cease."
-siddhartha guatama


<<Actually, i'd say that freedom is proportionate to how much 
> money you require...there are plenty of people that live free on 
> very little, and others that need to have a great amount of property
> /money to freel they've achieved that status.>>
 
well, when you are making barely enough to get by (some have
> to be work even more because they have other mouths to feed)
> your freedoms are indeed limited especially when you are stuck
> with a low hourly rate or no hourly rate if you are unemployed.
> 
> ironically, most of the people that are suffering can't even voice
> it because they *are* stuck at work all the time and don't have
> time for much of anything else.
> 
> again, more excuses to cover up the big picture.
> 
> remember, just because you live in priveledged world, 90% of the
> world *do not*!
> 
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i agree that raving is not necessary in order to enjoy electronic music, however, i see many facets of the rave scene as admirable forms of art and the whole scene as an artistic movement.  and i am all for dat.
i just hope it doesn't self destruct.
-my opinion from me




On Fri, 31 March 2000, William Adams wrote:

> 
> --- mattdemon <demmon@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> > It's not so bad! You could be subscribed to the
> > gabber list!
> 
> True True
>  
> > But seriously, I've got a question: Does anyone
> > think that raving is a
> > viable form of culture/life/entertainment/anything?
> 
> I think it's a viable form of entertainment ONLY! 
> Calling it culture (as in "the rave culture") is a
> massive exaggeration.  The things that brings people
> to the party are 1) drugs, 2) music, 3) to meet people
> and only having those three things in common does not
> qualify rave as a culture.
> 
> > Will it have an effect on future generations?
> 
> Yes.  Rave will probably survive our absence (by "our"
> I mean our generation).  By then it'll be bigger,
> badder, and more profitable.  History has shown we're
> always 2 steps behind Europe to give you an idea of
> what I mean.
> 
> > How will raving evolve? 
> 
> I don't think it will evolve...it'll just be bigger
> and more accepted by people
> 
> >What does raving have to do with electronic music, if
> anything?
> 
> Contrary to popular belief, one does not necessarily
> need another.  I've introduced many friends to
> electronic music and although they've never been to a
> rave, they love the music.
> 
> I actually think it's bad for electronic music to be
> associated only with raves.  It'll mean that if the
> rave trend ever ends, it'll take electronic music down
> with it.  I don't think that'll happen (see above) but
> you never can tell.
> 
> > Matt
> 
> --Will
> 
> =====
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> #include <techno_revolution.h>
> int main()
> {
>   rock_is_dead();
>   return 0;
> }
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Tonight on http://www.olarisnetwork.com -- 

DECIBELS - - the soundtrack to your weekend
             featuring pumping house and trance.

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i have some ideas of my own about this... but first go to
http://www.burningman.com/events/themecamps/

to get an idea of what i mean by theme camp.

at first, i wasn't so big on the idea of a soundsystem, but we might be
able to work that in somewhere.  it could also be the area where we all
put our tents...

it would actually be pretty cool to put it in the middle of all the tents
away from any sound systems with no obvious signs leading to it...
you know how konfusing it can be navigating the tent area at further, and
i think it would be cool (and appropriate) if most people just stumbled
across it.

if there are to be activities, i don't think they should be scheduled...
they should just happen when a collective mood hits.  

i don't exactly know why, but a mini self defense class comes to mind.

could use native american symbolism and make up a history for the space
we're using...  i'm flexible with this, but for some reason i want to make
a totem pole...  i don't know why, as i'm really not familiar at all with
native american culture, but this would give me an excuse to study.

so, those are some things i had in mind.

oh, also, i think a mw-soundsystem would have to be non-stop tag teaming,
and multiple person/mulitple decks/laptop/or whatever other goodies you
use to make music.

any ol' system can have a lineup :P  this should just be chaos.

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Hey all you Madison people, tonight is the last Delta for a while, so 
come on out and show your support for the guys that have done such a 
good job in the last few months!!
R.
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>oh, also, i think a mw-soundsystem would have to be non-stop tag teaming,
>and multiple person/mulitple decks/laptop/or whatever other goodies you
>use to make music.
>
>any ol' system can have a lineup :P  this should just be chaos.

now *THAT* is a sweet idea. 

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> i have some ideas of my own about this... but first go to
> http://www.burningman.com/events/themecamps/
>
> to get an idea of what i mean by theme camp.
>
> at first, i wasn't so big on the idea of a soundsystem, but we might be
> able to work that in somewhere.  it could also be the area where we all
> put our tents...

    Maybe like a tent, with small speakers at the top in the four corners,
and djs off to the side in no particular "superstar DJ" box... maybe a few
couches, places for people to come and rest, maybe we could build some totem
poles and put the speakers on those. (I'm thinking like little JBL portable
speakers) The system wouldn't be loud enough to bother anyone else, but
would be good to provide music to that tent. just some ideas, but again we
need funding... maybe just arrange a shelter suspended from a bunch of tents
with a small sound system underneath? (what would we use for power?)
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> Rave will probably survive our absence (by "our"
> I mean our generation).  By then it'll be bigger,
> badder, and more profitable.  History has shown we're
> always 2 steps behind Europe to give you an idea of
> what I mean.

I dunno about you, but everytime I've been to Europe (Somewhere around
five different trips) everyone looked like they were stuck in the 80's. 
*shrug*  

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okay.....coming from a source that has done several
things with bob in the past (business deals, not
buying records) and I'm not saying that it ever got
completely confirmed (we all know how that goes) Bob
has booked Oakey for the party...now don't persecute
me if it doesn't happen, cuz Oakey is notorious for
changing plans. 

as far as bob needing to do this or that to survive in
this city....hahahaha...Sorry kids, but Bob does not
care about making money all that much on thursday
nites. It's important to him, but not really. It seems
that its more important for him to bring these names
in so he looks bigger and feels better. Contrary to
how it looks from the outside, bob's store makes alot
of money, maybe not in walk-in sales, but it definetly
keeps him in business and being able to lose money
almost every thursday nite. Somewhere he's doing
something right, cuz he keeps going, hasn't filed
bankruptcy, and you don't get a B.A. in Business from
Miami (oxford) by being an idiot. 

But you'll never see me getting too excited for a
thursday nite, cuz I never count on the headliner
being there...But a clue to thursday nite not
happening with Grooverider was the fact that he moved
it from Elektra (much bigger space) to Top Cats (much
smaller space). 

oh well...never count on raving 
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April 1st, 2000 
Cincinnati, Ohio 

Cincinnati Bomb Squad Presents: NO FOOLIN' 
Main info: 513-665-6572 513-956-7101 

Featuring: 

Dj Icey: Zone, FFRR, Orlando: Maintaining one of the
most hectic dj'ing schedules in the nation, Icey is
making his long awaited return to Cincinnati. Icey is
truly a pioneer in the music industry as he was the
first one to bring the Chemical Brothers to the US,
not to mention his world famous Zone record label,
which is still going strong after many years of
world-wide success 

DJ Odi: G-Force, Koncrete Jungle, NYC: Odi the scratch
master is here to rock the decks jump-up style for all
the hip-hop lovers. Being the second runner-up at the
DMC finals, he is no fool when it comes to cuttin it
up. 

Twilight Sleep: Live Drum and Bass Orchestra: An
incredible DnB live pa that has been compared to roni
size. Dont miss this amazing performance from an
orchestra that will put you in awe- we know it did us.


Xian: CBS, Cincinnati: Producer, dj, promoter and
artist in full-effect. 

Troll and Mogli: CBS, Sweat Junglist: The unbeatable
dua bringin' the most rollin dnb in the midwest. 

Bob-A-Dob: Clubhead Records,Lift,Stillfresh, Jackin
House: Just back from his performance at the month
long Cancun Spring Break Fest, dont miss the man that
just keeps comin back year after year. 

Tim Krochalk: FUNKenterprises, Indianapolis: He'll be
beatin the funky and progressive breaks like there is
on other. 

R.P.D.: Yellow Hypnotic: The reverend is back with
that kickin' Chicago house early morning style 

Nostalgic: Floorgasm, Boogie Squad, Dayton: You saw
him rock the crowd before Bad Boy Bill, catch him in
action again. 

J-Speed: Abstrakt Entertainment: Jaime plays with
hip-hop greats as Mr. Dibbs, don't miss this talent on
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From mw-raves-owner-mw-raves-archive=hyperreal.org@hyperreal.org Sat Apr 01 04:39:14 2000
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On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Matt Murphy wrote:

+    Maybe like a tent, with small speakers at the top in the four corners,
+and djs off to the side in no particular "superstar DJ" box... maybe a few
+couches, places for people to come and rest, maybe we could build some totem
+poles and put the speakers on those. (I'm thinking like little JBL portable
+speakers) The system wouldn't be loud enough to bother anyone else, but
+would be good to provide music to that tent. just some ideas, but again we
+need funding... maybe just arrange a shelter suspended from a bunch of tents
+with a small sound system underneath? (what would we use for power?)

as far as funding goes, i think if we pool together, it wouldn't be a very
expensive project at all.  i think we can put that out of our minds until
we figure out what it is we want to do.  otherwise, we get hung up on
finance, and it's a real bitch to get past... knowwhati'msayin'?

i think it might be appropriate to have...

oh, jaimmie says hi everyone.  and she loves you.

ok back to my post.

i'd like to have an open area for the theme part of it... the tents we'd
be able to rent draw a lot of attention.  maybe we could have a
soundsystem *and* a theme area a certain distance away.
or, if the space permits, do it in a wooded area... no clearing necessary.

another thing i want to do eventually... actually, i don't care if i do it
or not, as long as it happens... is to have long distance mics catching
sounds from the entire furthur site, and have all that piped through a
soundsystem.  if that's possible this time around, i'd like to do it,
otherwise one of you ambitious young lads or ladies is welcome to expand
on the idea.

that's all i have for now... time to watch detroit rock city.

peace,
chad

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>There's no meaningful conversation without opinion.

yeah, and there's also a difference between BEING opinionated and TRYING TO 
PROVE you're opinionated.  just so you don't twist my words the wrong way.  
oh wait, you already did.

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